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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Cherry's here too, And this is stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know, the Freeze edition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. The addition this is, this is

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Speaker 1: the law enforcement sometimes thinks they're so cute and clever. Addition, Right, man,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to point out how many cutesy little

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Speaker 1: names and acronyms pop up in this story and this

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Speaker 1: and a lesson. If you're a criminal and you ever

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Speaker 1: think something might be shady and it might be a

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Speaker 1: sting operation, just look at any name that they've given

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Speaker 1: you and like read it backwards or see if it

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Speaker 1: spells an acronym that says like we nabbed you, buddy

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Speaker 1: or something like that. Like that's that's how cutesy they

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Speaker 1: got is And you'll see. I'll just throw that out

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Speaker 1: there and we'll talk about him as they pop up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's our daily assistance in helping criminals. A

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Speaker 2: vague capture by law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was that what I was doing? I certainly was,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Movie, So we're talking about one specific operation, Operation Flagship,

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Speaker 2: which was conducted by the US Marshall Service back in

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Speaker 2: I think nineteen eighty five, and it's just kind of

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Speaker 2: mind boggling. Where did you hear about this? Did somebody

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Speaker 2: write in or did you already know about it? Being

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Speaker 2: an NFL fan?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what, I'm not sure now that

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Speaker 1: I think of it. This may have been a listener

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Speaker 1: request and I'm going to look that up real quick

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Speaker 1: because i hate not shouting people out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you when that happens, Well, how I

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Speaker 2: keep talking while you look?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So, the US Marshall Service, they're one of the first

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Speaker 2: American law enforcement agencies. They were founded back in seventeen

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Speaker 2: eighty nine. Dave helped us with this, Dave Week by

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Speaker 2: the way, as Dave put it, in the time of

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Speaker 2: George Washington. So they've been around quite a bit, and

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Speaker 2: over the course of this history, like, they've done a

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Speaker 2: lot of different really kind of great stuff. They escorted

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Speaker 2: students into the first segregated schools, Black students to segregated schools,

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Speaker 2: They protected them. They enforced prohibition, which I guess, depending

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Speaker 2: on your views on prohibition, it was great or not.

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Speaker 2: They operated the US Census, which seems like they were

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Speaker 2: at the time just really looking for busy wet for

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Speaker 2: the Marshall service.

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Speaker 1: Yes, just give them a bunch of pencils.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then in turnal loose and then famously chuck

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Speaker 2: anytime you hear somebody call like a wild West law

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Speaker 2: enforcement guy Marshall. They were a US marshal. That was

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Speaker 2: one of the roles they played. They served as the

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Speaker 2: long arm of the law and the wild West era

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they did a lot of things. They found

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Speaker 1: a lot of busy work for them to do over

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Speaker 1: the years. These days, did you mention witness protection?

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Speaker 2: Not yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean basically these days they take care of

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Speaker 1: witness Protection. If you see prisoners being transported like to

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Speaker 1: court or something, those are marshals doing that and there

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Speaker 1: since seventy nine they've been in charge of fugitive investigations,

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Speaker 1: which is to say, basically, anybody with an outstanding warrant

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tommy Lee Jones didn't care if you're innocent.

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Speaker 2: His job is to get you and bring you back

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Speaker 1: This is so great, man, one of the great lines

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, you can be a fugitive all sorts of ways,

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Speaker 2: And regardless of how it is, the US Marshals are

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Speaker 2: during the early to mid eighties, the US Marshall Service

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they said, hey, guys, let's have a little fun

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Speaker 2: They clearly did. I mean like these things. This whole

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Speaker 1: That's for this, Yeah, for sure, we'll start with our

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Speaker 1: first QT acronym. In nineteen eighty one, they launched a

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Speaker 1: program called the Fugitive Investigative Strike Team aka FIST is

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Speaker 1: they're going to use their fists to get you, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And their goal was to do fugitive investigations, not just

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Speaker 1: really kind of wacky sting operations, which you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not like they were just out to have fun. There's

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a few examples of these before

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Speaker 1: we get to Flagship. One very successful one was a

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Speaker 1: program called Mister Zip and this is just very low five.

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Speaker 1: They would have Marshalls dressed up as US mail carriers

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Speaker 1: would say thank you. You're under arrest, Yeah it is you.

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Speaker 2: I think that was actually in The Fugitive too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds familiar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been in a lot of different.

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Speaker 1: Movies, but like harre your roses that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Huh exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is actually the origin

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Speaker 2: because I don't get the impression that they did a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What about Puno Airlines That was a pretty fun one.

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Speaker 2: So Puno means fist in Spanish.

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Speaker 1: Ugh, right, Sorry, It's just it's also like it's almost

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is inherently the problem behind this whole thing

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Speaker 2: is a lot of this. I was about to say steps,

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Speaker 2: do you speak Spanish? Do you think anybody would ever

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Speaker 2: name their airline fist airline? Well, they want to give

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Speaker 2: That was the Punos Airlines thing. And I love it,

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Speaker 2: like I think it's it's cool, like in retrospect, but

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Speaker 2: when you stop and actually think of it from a

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Speaker 2: law enforcement perspective, you just you just end up pinching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it did. They mailed these fake letters saying they

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Speaker 1: they send a limo to your house. It's like a

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Speaker 1: and they did have a fake Puno Airlines ticket counter,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think it was right next to

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Speaker 1: Right, No, for real, that was okay. I never know

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Speaker 2: So I know, I'm sorry. I've really with reality. That

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Speaker 2: was nineteen eighty five. There was another one the year

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: Because I think this is yeah, this is the era

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Roman numerals were everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was enormous. It was a multi state,

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Speaker 2: multi agency sting operation. There were one hundred and thirteen

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Speaker 2: the Marshall Service. There was one pretty straightforward in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: don't know this, but you won ten thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: the lottery. You know that lottery. You may or may

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Speaker 2: not have ever played. Well, you won ten thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: That's right, That was one of them. One was a

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Speaker 1: job scam. It was called the Prior Offenders Employment Opportunity Program,

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Speaker 1: We can get you a job fifteen bucks an hour.

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Speaker 1: Just call our number and tell us who you are

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Speaker 2: That one actually seems like the most effective one because

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Speaker 2: it almost has like a scam sense to it, like outwardly,

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Speaker 1: It may be the meanest too.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Because you might think it's mean to say you've won

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Speaker 2: Right, and like this number, have we got an opportunity

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Speaker 2: part of fift seven, their sting was called the Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Bridge Delivery service, not to be confused with New York's

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Speaker 2: finest taxi service, but it's basically the same thing. Their

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Speaker 2: motto was don't mess with the rest, come to the best,

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Speaker 2: and it was essentially the same thing as mister Zip

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Speaker 2: And there was a guy involved in this. I can't

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Speaker 2: remember his name, but oh, Robert Leshorn. He was one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is part of fifth seven in Hartford, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: This was Hey, let's do a fake TV station giveaway

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then one of the marshals who helped who

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Speaker 2: They looked like when they arrived in jail, Like those

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like glitter war.

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Speaker 1: my friend. I love all the extras too. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we laugh. Fist seven netted thirty three hundred

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty two hundred of them came from the boy

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Speaker 2: Right, I think we would be violating some sort of

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Speaker 1: Right now, all right, we're going to come back and

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Speaker 1: talk about one that netted fewer arrest but was definitely

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck, So we're back and we're finally talking about

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Speaker 2: the titular scam Operation Flagship.

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Speaker 2: How do you like that?

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I love the word titular.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's arousing. There's another word for it, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this was thought up. It was a brain

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Speaker 1: He had too much of Grandma's Christmas breath and he said,

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Speaker 1: football tickets. One of the hottest tickets in football at

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Speaker 1: the time. In nineteen eighty five, was there at RFK

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This particular game versus the Bengals in December fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Also not to mention too. I mean, even

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The story goes it was Joe Theisman and in

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Speaker 2: Wasn't that a super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, was in a super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That was horrific. I mean it was a compound

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Speaker 1: And it's always so disturbing.

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Speaker 2: It was they kept showing like this was this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dude was.

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Speaker 2: We probably shouldn't feed the bloodblust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so anyway, that was that was It's forever

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Speaker 1: Oh was that old rubbernee Richards.

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Speaker 1: This has gotten so off the rails.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're talking about the cops.

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Speaker 1: Robert Leshorn. He's the one that came up with this

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Speaker 1: the pri and this is where they get cute again.

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Speaker 1: The prize letters that they sent out were signed by

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Speaker 2: Right, so even if even taking that one out, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like this is like, these are the things

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Speaker 2: there's no reason. As we'll see. I'm sure part of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's you're tempting faith.

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Speaker 2: Some of these people have wives. All you had to

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Speaker 2: says wanted backwards. You know, hey, dummy, Yeah, how many

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Speaker 2: I think this is not legitimate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, They mailed out three thousand of these letters

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Speaker 1: to fugitives for a total of seventeen outstanding warrants. Between

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Speaker 1: return to Cender. The others again were told to call

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Speaker 1: I guess. And they said, all right, come on down

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I thought something you mentioned is worth emphasizing.

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Speaker 2: different dress rehearsals because again there's a lot of moving parts.

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00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: There's a ton of different cops. I think one hundred

440
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: and sixty six different agents were involved.

441
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: They were all cops. Everyone there was a cop. Like

442
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: the bus boy was a cop, the you know, person

443
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: serving your drink was a cop.

444
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the janitors were cops. Everybody was cops. Like when

445
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: you walked into the Washington Convention Center that day, there

446
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: was no one who wasn't a cop, a wanted fugitive

447
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: or the plus one of the wanted fugitive exactly had

448
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: the haplessness of being brought along to this.

449
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: Whole Yeah, there real victims.

450
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they rehearsed it many, many times. And one

451
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: of the things I saw of these one hundred and

452
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: sixty six law enforcement agents that were part of this.

453
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: A lot of them were brought in from out of

454
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: state because they didn't want to risk some of these

455
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: fugitives from recognizing the marshals who say, like, we're in

456
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: the courtroom with them when they were first brought to

457
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: trial or had escorted them from jail to prison before

458
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: they escaped or something like that. So they brought in

459
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: a lot of ringers from around the country. So there

460
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: was a lot of cops working from a lot of

461
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: different offices all for this one huge scam operation Flagship.

462
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to shave a lot of about half

463
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: of their mustaches.

464
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

465
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: If you watch, I mean, you can see this whole thing.

466
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: It's only like twelve minutes long. An NFL Films documentary

467
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: on this on YouTube or wherever, and you can watch

468
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing play out. It's incredible. But they look

469
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: that looks like a room staffed with one hundred and

470
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: sixty six cops dressed up as different things.

471
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I made it through up to I think minute three.

472
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: It's like, I cannot watch law enforcement try to play

473
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: a tongue in cheek. It's just I can't do it.

474
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the cheerleaders who were not dressed as cheerleaders.

475
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: They were dressed in tuxedos. Like everyone there was wearing

476
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: a tux which was hysterical because you know, it was

477
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, that's the epitome of class. But they

478
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: were all cops. And the one of the women that

479
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: was interviewed, she was like, I didn't want to do

480
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: a cheerleader. She was like, I was in this. I

481
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: was a US marshal. I wanted I was rough and tumble,

482
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: and I wanted to, you know, throw some guys on

483
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: the ground and put the cuffs on them. But they

484
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: were like, no, we need you to be a cheerleader,

485
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: and you're actually the first line of defense because what

486
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: they did was they hugged these guys upon greeting, like hey,

487
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: we're cheerleaders. Hug, hug, hug, and they're sort of patting

488
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: them down and feeling for weapons, right, which is amazing.

489
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: Well, was that there was some movie where they do

490
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: that's a great comedic effect. Really yeah, I can't remember,

491
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: but they're they're like hugging people while patting them down,

492
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: but like just clearly patting them down. Maning me crazy.

493
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: You'll think of it later or somebody you'll email and

494
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: I'll be at least one person does. Yeah. So yeah,

495
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: like we said, everybody there who was in this building

496
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: was a cop, including the San Diego chicken.

497
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, was armed.

498
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: Was an armed cop. That just goes to show you

499
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: how big the San Diego chicken was in the early

500
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: to mid eighties that they were like, bring the San

501
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: Diego chicken in for this Washington Cincinnati football game on

502
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: the other side of the country. Make sure the San

503
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: Diego chickens there, just to legitimize things.

504
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was the chicken was for the Padres,

505
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: not the Chargers, even at the time.

506
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

507
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: The only explanation I saw in the video was they

508
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: said something about Santa Claus was going to be there,

509
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: and I don't know why. This is the part that

510
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: has no explanation. He said, Oh, we were like, we

511
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: can't have Santa Claus, so let's get the San Diego chicken.

512
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: And I was like, he said that as if that

513
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: was the most reasonable statement he could make.

514
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Really, that's hilarious.

515
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: It's very funny.

516
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: That shows a little heart.

517
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

518
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: I should also say I poked fun at law enforcement

519
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: trying to be funny. So I looked up see if

520
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: there's any cops turned comedians, and there are.

521
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: Sure, I bet there are, And I bet that's their

522
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: whole act.

523
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is or not, but I

524
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: can just tell you to go out and check these

525
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: guys out. There's Kevin, Jordan child Ridgeley who went on

526
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: to be a Groundling, Jeff Perry, Sir Perry, Alfy Moore,

527
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: and I defy you to find the one Brit out

528
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: of those.

529
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it's not Alfie all right, So I'm

530
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: a Bulby right.

531
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: Wow, that was a great Alfie More impression.

532
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that talks like that, I

533
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: think anyway.

534
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: I just wanted to toss that out there because very nice.

535
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Leshorn. As for his part, he's in the video

536
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: he's saying like, nobody can act like a cop. Here

537
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: we got a smile, And he says in this in

538
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: the NFL film saying, he goes, I know we're not

539
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: used to smiling at bandits, but today we need to.

540
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: I was like, bandits, what is happening in nineteen eighty five?

541
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, no one can act like a cop.

542
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Kill him with smiles, right, yeah, not with a planted gun.

543
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Right right, Oh my gods. So, like I said, there's

544
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts in a sting where you're

545
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: trying to nab one hundred sixty or so criminals all

546
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 2: at once. Again, they rehearsed at three different times, but

547
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: there's still tons of X factors that can crop up

548
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: that you just can't plan for. And one of the

549
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: reasons why they were really kind of on edge is

550
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: some of these criminals who they'd invited were pretty hardcore.

551
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: There were like arm drobbers, rapists. There was one murderer

552
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: in particular who had escaped from prison. He and two

553
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: other guys had dressed up as security or not security guards,

554
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: prison guards, and they from what I was reading, they

555
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: have no idea where they got these prison guard uniforms,

556
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: but they managed to escape. The other two guys got caught.

557
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: The other guy, Charles Watkins, again who was in on murder.

558
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: He had become a fugitive and was on it as

559
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: a top ten fugitive in the DC area, So he

560
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: was a big fish that they were trying to reel in.

561
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: But at the same time, this guy's a murderer on

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: the run. You have no idea what he's gonna do.

563
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: So she really had to kind of keep it tight

564
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: as much as possible. I say that before we get

565
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: to the actual day, December fifteenth, nineteen eighty five. Yeah,

566
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: we take another break.

567
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. Alrighty, we are back. It

568
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: is not Christmas, but it certainly feels like it. In

569
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, it's December fifteenth. The Washington Convention Center

570
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: is decked out. There's a big TV plan highlight so

571
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: of the redskins seasoned thus far. There's music playing. Everyone's

572
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: in those tuxes. They got red and gold balloons they're

573
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: handing out. It's really fun to watch this thing play out.

574
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: You've got these cheerleaders hugging and patting these guys, these

575
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: guys down. One guy is like leaning in trying to

576
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: kiss the one of the women, and she's just like

577
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: pulling her face away and still has her arm around it.

578
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: In fact, she actually Stasia Hilton. She was a US Marshall,

579
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: the cheerleader that they interviewed, or fake cheerleader, and later

580
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: on she had gotten out and was brought back into

581
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: the service as an appointment as Director of US Marshall

582
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Service by President Obama.

583
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so for this day. She's a Redskins cheerleader, yeah, exactly.

584
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: So what they would do is the cheerleaders would hug

585
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: you as you were coming in. Would not accept kiss

586
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: as it turns out, but they would hug you, pat

587
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: you down, although you weren't supposed to know that you

588
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: were being padded down. They would wrecked you toward a table.

589
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: She's a good hugger, right exactly.

590
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: Very thorough so they would they would pour you to

591
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: this table where you would check in and to claim

592
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: your prize. To make sure you were you, you had

593
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: to show positive ID. And then when they when they

594
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: verified that you were on the list, meaning that you

595
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: were a wanted fugitive who just showed up to claim

596
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: your two free tickets to the Washington Redskins football game,

597
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: they would give you a name tag and the name

598
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: tag would say confirmed winner. And then if you were

599
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: a dangerous criminal, they would give you a name tag

600
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: that said double winner. And they could not find anywhere

601
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: how they would explain why somebody was a double winner

602
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: and not just a confirmed winner, right exactly, Like why me?

603
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: I have no idea what they said. Surely they had

604
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: to say something, but I could not find It's lost

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: to history.

606
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: He said, your dangersly close to winning the Super Bowl

607
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: tickets too. That's great, that's how they do it in

608
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the movie. At least so one person came that was

609
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: not expected. It was an attorney from a local TV

610
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: station that had the local broadcast rights to the games.

611
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: He heard about this flagship International Sports Television aka FIST,

612
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: and he was like, wait a minute, they can't do this.

613
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: He shows up with this in my mind exactly, he

614
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: shows up with the season desisted letter and the cops

615
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: got him out of there. They were like, here, why

616
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: don't you go have a talk with these two cheerleaders.

617
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: You're like, buddy, you're gonna blow our cover here.

618
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. They they shot him in the leg.

619
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hobbled out of there.

620
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: No, they took him outside. They had to keep it

621
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: under rap. So, okay, you want to talk about unexpected guests?

622
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Sure?

623
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: Do you want to know the definition of a scumbag?

624
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: Sure?

625
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: A fugitive who gets caught up in the dragnet of

626
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: a scam carried out by the US Marshall Service in

627
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five and shows up without bothering to RSVP.

628
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: There were fifteen of them.

629
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: That's funny. They just came.

630
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: Yep, they just showed up, didn't even bother to RSVP.

631
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: It just got under my skin when I saw.

632
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: That this is bad manners for sure.

633
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: So there was a decent amount of people in this

634
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: convention center. I mean one hundred and something one hundred

635
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: fifty cops I think one hundred and sixty a little

636
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: over one cop to one fugitive. And then most of

637
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: these fugitives had a plus one, if not all of them.

638
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: So there was hundreds of people in this convention center.

639
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: And like you said, it was a big party atmosphere,

640
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: but right under the surface there's a bunch of people

641
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: with guns ready to like take you to jail. But

642
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: the problem is you can't just round everybody up all

643
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: at once, right, So what they did was pretty clever.

644
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: They would take fifteen to twenty winners at a time

645
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: to one of like the separate conference rooms in this

646
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: convention center, which really it made me nostalgic, chuck, because

647
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: we played a show or two in the conference room

648
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: of a convention center, you know, yeah Australia Australia's yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: And they would sit him down and they would present

650
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: them with some I guess spiel to start as they

651
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: shut the doors and everybody's settling into their chairs.

652
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Louis McKinney. He's on a stage. And

653
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: then again this is just like, hey, this is the

654
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: party room where we're going to get your actual tickets.

655
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: And he's the MC, he's the Master of Ceremonies. He's

656
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: he's wearing a top hat, a literal black top hat.

657
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: And he doesn't just go up there and say you're

658
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: all under arrest. He settles everyone down. He said he

659
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: wanted everyone to kind of get settled in and call him.

660
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: So he's just doing a bit. He's doing stage work

661
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: about how excited everyone is and getting everyone like pumped up.

662
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: And then and you can literally watch this happen, he

663
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: says on behalf of Flagship International, we have a big

664
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: surprise for you this morning. Everybody's under arrest. And you

665
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: see behind the doors, you see all these like SWAT

666
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: cops is their version of the SWAT, their SOG Special

667
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: Operations Group that didn't spell anything clever. They're like literally

668
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: have literal shotguns and they're just like they're right behind

669
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: the door. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They repel in through the windows,

670
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, break through the windows. No, they just they

671
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: literally just like kick in the door and go running

672
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: in with shotguns. And you see these guys that like

673
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: about a third of them like immediately sort of put

674
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: their hands on their heads as they were being directed

675
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: to and get on the ground, and about a third

676
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: of them are like, what's happening here.

677
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: Is this part of the.

678
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't know what was going on, but you know,

679
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: soon enough they had them, you know, face down on

680
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: the floor.

681
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, arresting violently.

682
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, fifteen people at a time, then escort

683
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: thing amount a different door, and just you know, keep

684
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: doing that over and over until they got everybody.

685
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: I have to say something really quick. While I was

686
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: researching this, I had a great little brush with coincidence

687
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: that I was reading. I got to that part where

688
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: McKinney says everybody's under arrest, and it just happened to

689
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: be listening to the Beach Boys Smile album at the time.

690
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: It's not something I've listened to a lot. I just

691
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: happened to decide to listen to that while I was

692
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: researching this, and within seconds of reading that part, it

693
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: reaches the part in the Beach Boys album where they

694
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: say you're under arrest. Wow, is that it's fourth I

695
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: mean that's something, right, I mean, that's not your everyday coincidence.

696
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: No, I love stuff like that.

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: I do too. So anyway, back to the story, Dave,

698
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: like I said, helped us with this, and he wondered

699
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: something that I did as well. What happened to all

700
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: the all the guests who are like the crowd of

701
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: plus ones are getting left behind in larger and larger

702
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: droves as this party room is like you know, set

703
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: and reset, and people get taken out of the back

704
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: door to jail. Yeah, and no one knows, I mean no,

705
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: at least no one ever covered what happened they.

706
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I imagine it was. I've got some

707
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: bad news and some more bad news, right, Like, there

708
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: is no good news. It's like your friend has been arrested,

709
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and you're also not going to this football game, and

710
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: you also have to find your way home something exactly.

711
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Surely they gave them right home at least.

712
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

713
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: I mean I was laughing about there they're victims, but

714
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: they really are.

715
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what a bummer for sure, especially those wives

716
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: that found out that their husbands didn't let them read

717
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: the letter right from I am debtnov.

718
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: And didn't want to go to the game to begin with.

719
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, oh my god. There are definitely plus ones

720
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: like that.

721
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

722
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: Oh man. Uh So when this whole thing was pulled off,

723
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: the reason why the NFL films little mini documentaries so

724
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: thorough is the media was there, and it would make

725
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: sense media was there because this is supposed to be

726
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: some big deal celebrations. So you see people who are

727
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: like fugitive it was about to be arrested coming into

728
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: the convention center like party, like into the cameras. Yeah,

729
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: that are really like there to film their arrest, but

730
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: they think they're there to film this big celebration because

731
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: they won these tickets. The La Times was there, CBS

732
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: News was there, Washington Post was there. They were like

733
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: journalists were allowed to go basically everywhere. They're allowed to

734
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: interview all of the all of the higher ups conducting

735
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: this sting. I guess they were just required to basically

736
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: play it straight and pretend like they didn't know what

737
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: was going on. But as a result of this direct

738
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: involvement of the media, there was a huge national like

739
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: celebration for how great the US Marshall Service was and

740
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: how well they pulled off this amazing sting with not

741
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: a single shot fired and aside from violently throwing some

742
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: of these people to the floor, totally nonviolent roundup of

743
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: one hundred plus perpse.

744
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the that's why you do it

745
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: like this, Oh, for the for the safety, and for

746
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: the money savings or the efficiency rather, I guess financially,

747
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: But the pr aspect of this should not be overlooked.

748
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Like they wanted them to film this, they wanted them

749
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: to know all the cutesy stuff. So one day NFL

750
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: Films would release a mini doc and future podcasters would

751
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: talk about it and sort of make fun of it,

752
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: but also bring them, you know, some attention. So the

753
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: pr part of it was a very purposeful, big deal.

754
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: The guy, I've seen lots of different numbers bandied about,

755
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: and by how many people they actually got. I think

756
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four arrests is what Dave saw,

757
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: but in the documentary, the guy whose brainchild it was

758
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: said it was one hundred and one. Really, but if

759
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: you do the math on one hundred and one arrest,

760
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: it cost them twenty two one hundred dollars to pull

761
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: this off. That breaks down to just two hundred and

762
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars at if they got one hundred and one arrests,

763
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: and the average cost of just a perfugitive cost of

764
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: nabbing as fugitive it was about almost thirteen hundred bucks.

765
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: So that's a you know, that's a big efficient haul

766
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: if you really look at it that way.

767
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I mean it's super efficient. And again

768
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: not a single shot fired. And don't forget they nabbed

769
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: Charles Watkins, the big fish. They were trying to reel

770
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: in the murderer who had escaped from prison dressed as

771
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: a prison guard, which really, if you're gonna escape from prison,

772
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: that's a real black eye to that particular prison dressing

773
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: up as one of their own guards and escaping. Yeah,

774
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 2: so it was a big deal that they caught this guy.

775
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: And Stanley Morris, who was the head of the Marshall

776
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: Service at the time, was quoted in the LA Time

777
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: saying it's a safe, clean and creative way to get

778
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: these people off the streets. There's no safer way to

779
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: make an arrest than away from the home environment.

780
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's probably right as far as Charles

781
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: Watkins goes in and Dave got some of this. By

782
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: the way, you want to shout out the podcast Criminal,

783
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: huge shot, Yeah, because they covered this and I think Dave,

784
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: they've listened to that and got a couple of these

785
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: things in the end here from there.

786
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a December twenty twenty four episode. So

787
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: what I'm pretty recently is that the listener wrote in

788
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: after hearing the Criminal episode. Maybe he said, I've got

789
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: a great idea for your episode.

790
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so go check that out for Criminal's

791
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: point of view. I'm sure it's pretty great because it's

792
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: a great podcast. Huh. But apparently there was a producer

793
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: from CBS News named Alan Goldberg who went back at

794
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: the footage and was like, I think he just thought

795
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: some of this stuff was a little fishier than it

796
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: was made out to be as some big, huge success.

797
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: And he saw footage on there of Charles Watkins, a

798
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: fifty year old man, saying like, you got the wrong guy,

799
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: You got the wrong guy. And it turns out they

800
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: got the wrong guy. They got Charles Watkins senior, Charles Watkins,

801
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: the murderer that was the felon, or rather fugitive and

802
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Felon was his son. He was twenty years old. They

803
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: got the wrong person.

804
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah apparently yeah, according to Criminal, like he finally was

805
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: able to convince him by showing like some ID and

806
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: some other like identification saying like, I'm not the guy

807
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: you're looking for, you're looking for my son and huge

808
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: again hat tip to Criminal. They did some serious digging,

809
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: like I was listening to it. And Alan Goldberg, who

810
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: is a huge source for this, they're the ones that

811
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: he talked to. This is not like all over the place,

812
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: like they found this guy and managed to just completely

813
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: turn all of the coverage of Operation Flagship. Still today,

814
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: when you read contemporary stuff about Operation Flagship, it is

815
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: unquestioningly written about as just this perfect success. They found

816
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: this guy who was like, this is not actually how

817
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: it went at all. There's actually, in addition to getting

818
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: the wrong Charles Watkins, the other big fish, they were

819
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: trying to get Lloyd Golden. He was a top TED

820
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: wanted fugitive for armed robbery. And this Alan old Berg,

821
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, God bless him for his journalists streak. He

822
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: dug into Lloyd Golden and found that he was wanted

823
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: for selling some drugs, not armed robbery. He wasn't on

824
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: any kind of top ten list, So that's bad enough.

825
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: But when you really start digging into it, you're like, oh,

826
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: this is not only a waste of money. It turns out,

827
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: even though it was super efficient, it's actually legal but

828
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: pretty unethical considering who they actually did nab in this dragnet.

829
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was mainly misdemeanor offenders, a lot

830
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: of parole violations. There were six traffic offenses.

831
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay there, and now remember a lot of these people

832
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: were thrown to the ground regardless of their of what

833
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: they were wanted for. They were a fugitive and they

834
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: were thrown to the ground violently in some cases for

835
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: traffic offenses.

836
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There was one guy and you can see

837
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: him in the NFL film stock as they're bringing him out.

838
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: He was like, man, He's like, you know where I live.

839
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: You could have come to my house, basically, like, why

840
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: did you drag me down here and make me go

841
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: through all this? Just come knock on my door and

842
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: arrest me.

843
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I want to speak to mister duttono on now.

844
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: This turned out to be sort of the beginning of

845
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: the end though it is again still praised as a

846
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: success if you look at any US Marshall stuff, but

847
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: they I think, like fists and nine was just regular

848
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: police work over a period of eight weeks. They got

849
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of more fugitives, which is great.

850
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty impressive. Thirty five hundred fugitives in eight weeks

851
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: over four states and parts of Mexico's with no scams whatsoever.

852
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, no scams. But they don't do this stuff anymore.

853
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess this was sort of the golden age of

854
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. They're still out getting fugitives. I

855
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: think last year they captured more than three thousand violent

856
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: fugitives in Operation north Star, but that did not involve

857
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: culture club tickets or sweepstakes prizes or anything like that.

858
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: I think the answer is that in nineties, starting in

859
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, they went to nothing but beer and

860
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: wine at their Christmas parties.

861
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: Right yeah, not the rum punch, right right. Yeah.

862
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: So one of the things about Operation Flagship is that

863
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: it is so nuts that it actually happened, and when

864
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: you just step back and look at it from the

865
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, from the total outside and how great it

866
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: was and everything, it's extremely entertaining cops, smart, criminal, stupid.

867
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: Can you believe they fell for this? There's football involved, like,

868
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: it has everything you could possibly want, right, So it

869
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: did actually inspire some stuff, like we said that whole

870
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: mister Zip thing inspired like the I've got some rose

871
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: delivery for you fugitive. This specific Operation Flagship inspired apparently

872
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: the opening scene and Sea of Love with al Pacino

873
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: where Samuel Jackson is among the fugitives who were tricked

874
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Speaker 2: into a meat the Yankees scam.

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00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was copped directly from this. I'm sure

876
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Speaker 1: there was.

877
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: So have you seen the movie Trap m Night Shyamalan's

878
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: vehicle for his daughter's musical career?

879
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Have you seen it? No? Okay, I just want

880
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: to talk for one quick minute about this because I

881
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: heard this movie on two different movie podcasts. I listened

882
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: to Scott Hasn't Seen He covered this with Mike Castle,

883
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: husband to Lauren Lapkis as the guest, and then it

884
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: was also on the Flophouse, one of my favorite shows

885
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: that have listened to forever on the Max Fun Network

886
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: where they cover bad movies. Elliott Dan and Stun Yeah. Yeah,

887
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: it's it's wonderfully bad though, Like I heard both of

888
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: these before I saw it, and I was like, I've

889
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: got to watch this movie now because it's so funny, bad,

890
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: and it is. It's I highly recommend the m night

891
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: Shyamalan Josh Hartnett movie Trap because it is so ridiculous

892
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: and awful and the choice that are made as a

893
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: movie are just bonkers and hysterical.

894
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so I know I am a ascensient adult human being,

895
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: and I know that a lot of them night shamlans

896
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: some of his films are bad.

897
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just bad, terrible.

898
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: I hated Signs. Hated Signs, although that was largely because

899
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: of mel Gibson's acting, where all of them.

900
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Are pretty bad to me, huh, He's got a handful

901
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: of pretty good ones.

902
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, well that's what I was gonna say. I

903
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: will still watch every movie that that man puts out

904
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: because they're so imaginative, so creative. I also love the

905
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: cinematography in his films. It's always so dark and moody.

906
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they look pretty good.

907
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: The Sixth Sense is one of the greatest films of

908
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: all time. Yeah, and even like, you can give up

909
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: on him and then come back years later and watch

910
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: the stuff that you missed, and you're like, man, I

911
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 2: love this stuff. It's such a great thing to watch

912
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: on like Saturday afternoon or something like that.

913
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the Unbreakable movie and the the Split whatever,

914
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: there was like a trilogy, and in that world, I

915
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: thought split. Yeah, I thought all those were pretty good.

916
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of his movies are really bad

917
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: but still well made enough to be worthwhile even if

918
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like a cringe fun watch. And

919
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Trap is one of them. And you know, whenever he

920
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: pops up in his own movies, it's always so bad

921
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: and dumb and obvious, and he does so in the

922
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: funniest worst way in Trap.

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00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I gotta see this.

924
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: It's really a fun bad movie. Watch. I highly recommend it.

925
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: Have you seen a Knock at the Cabin Door?

926
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: I have not seen that one.

927
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: That's good.

928
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I don't see them all.

929
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Servant, the show he made?

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00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: Huh huh, good bad.

931
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: No, it's really good. It's a really good show. Like

932
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 2: he does a great job.

933
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: He's a confounding filmmaker.

934
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just just watch Servant. I think you'll

935
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: like it. I haven't seen all of the seasons. I

936
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: might have seen the first three and then I stopped.

937
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: But I can tell you the first three you're definitely

938
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: worth watching. I think you'll get sucked in pretty quick.

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00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. We cannot finish though, even though I did mention

940
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: Homer Simpson earlier. One of the great great Simpsons episodes,

941
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: they had a sting operation where they were giving away

942
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: a boat. Right.

943
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I'm sorry. I've watched it the other yesterday.

944
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: I guess I was watching it. I noticed something that

945
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: I'd never noticed before. Was at the head of the scene.

946
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: At the beginning, as they're starts, as they're pulling up

947
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: to the police station, Homer's falling for a scam like

948
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: operation Flagship, but instead of Redskins tickets, it's a free

949
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: motor boat. Yeah, so he's all he's all ready for this.

950
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: He's wearing a captain's hat driving the family up to

951
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: the police station to claim his free motor boat. And

952
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the scene, as they're pulling up,

953
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: lou one of the cops has the door kind of

954
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: like slightly jar and is peeking out right when he

955
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: sees Homer pull up, he like closes the door real quick. Yeah,

956
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, you have to see it like I

957
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: can't do it justice. It's just this extra quick little

958
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: thing that did not need to be added at all,

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: but makes that whole scene so just perfect.

960
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: Just the heyday of that show.

961
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, season nine, it's in the whole episode by the way,

962
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: to Lisa the Skeptic is like, yeah, one of the

963
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: like more heartfelt episodes around two.

964
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: So good hallo. Why are the pretty one Jarwie's and

965
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: Shane favorites? Also a little nugget on the end, if

966
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: you're ever in Fort Smith, Arkansas, and why else would

967
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: you be there? But going to the US Marshall Museum,

968
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: you can see Louis McKinney's MCE black top hat on display.

969
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: Very nice, pretty, It was a nice little nugget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Dave for that.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, thank you Dave. That was great. We appreciate

972
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Speaker 2: the assist on this one and on Harry Belafonte. It's

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Speaker 2: Dave week everybody, that's right. And since I said it's

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Speaker 2: Dave week again that unlocked listener mayle.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys love the show. I just started listening around

976
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I'm now realizing that was seven years ago.

977
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Speaker 1: My commute to work is about fifteen minutes and eats

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Speaker 1: each direction, so your release schedule is perfect. To listen

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Speaker 1: to a freshysk episode all the time I was listening

980
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: to automats and hearing Chuck weird it out about pie

981
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: for breakfast is so funny to me because I'm a

982
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: chef and I will never understand why pie sweetened thickened

983
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: fruit in a pastry is dessert, but a danish or

984
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Speaker 1: a jelly donut sweetened thickened fruit in a pastry our breakfast.

985
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: And by the way, this totally vindicates you because when

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Speaker 1: you were like pie for breakfast and I was like,

987
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: that sounds so crazy. I was, and you said, most

988
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: breakfast foods are dessert, and I was like, what are

989
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: you talking about. You're completely right. I wasn't thinking about

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Speaker 1: all this stuff.

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00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: Oh I love it when you say stuff like that.

992
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: I was salking about eggs and bacon, but I forgot

993
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: about the sweet side of breakfast, and all that stuff

994
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: is dessert. Same goes for cake and pancakes, flour, sugar, eggs,

995
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: baking powder with a sweet condiment. French toast is plain

996
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: white bread dipped in a sweet cinnamon custs, griddled and

997
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: then you drizzle sugar syrup on top of it. I

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00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: love this so guys, Josh is right. Lots of breakfast

999
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: foods are pretty much dessert, and I say, if it

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00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: makes you happy, there's no reason to keep away from

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00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: dessert foods at breakfast. Your stomach doesn't know what time

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Speaker 1: of day it is. Thanks for all the amazing information.

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Speaker 1: I've learned so much from you, guys, and always have

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00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: a great time listening to That is from Aarin Brittingham

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00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: and Aarin, thanks for proving me wrong. I forgot about

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Speaker 1: all this sweet breakfast stuff.

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: Thanks for proving me right.

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00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to even mention cereal. I mean, what

1009
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: is Captain crunch besides a bowl of dessert?

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: That's right. I like to have a balanced breakfast. I

1011
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: like the dessert part with a bunch of pancakes or

1012
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: French toast and syrup, but then I also like the

1013
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: eggs in the bacon part too.

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00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: I breakfast is my favorite meal that I never eat,

1015
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: but when I do, by God, I love it.

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00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't typically eat breakfast.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm going to eat breakfast, breakfast like it's

1018
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Speaker 2: gonna be something like that.

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Speaker 1: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: I gave up cereal and I'm the better off for it.

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Speaker 2: I just have to admit, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't eat that stuff anymore. But if I'm on

1023
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: vacation and there's a good breakfast place, I'm going to

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00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: party down and then I'll skip lunch. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Nice for Charles. Well, if you want to be like

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Speaker 2: Aaron and vindicate me, bring it on. You can send

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