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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and ten,

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Speaker 1: which is airing in early to mid August of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. We'll be talking all good things. You can

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Speaker 1: think of this as an all love of the Week episode.

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Speaker 1: We've done a few of these in the past, but

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Speaker 1: we thought it was time to revisit the concept because

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Speaker 1: we've perhaps been complaining a lot recent episodes, and we

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Speaker 1: like to keep things upbeat and happy around here. So

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: are working for us right now that we want to

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Speaker 1: share with you guys. So, Sarah, what's going on in

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Speaker 1: your life right now? Yeah? So the first one is

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Speaker 1: just the fact that it's so much easier than it

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Speaker 1: used to be to rent a house for a vacation,

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Speaker 1: you know, before Airbnb got big. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: vrbo was around, but I don't think their online interface

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Speaker 1: interface was as robust as it is now. And that

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Speaker 1: is just so easy to like browse a bunch of

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Speaker 1: full sized houses if you want to go somewhere, which

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Speaker 1: number one is very friendly to large families, and number two,

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Speaker 1: if you're concerned about any kind of pandemic exposure, if

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Speaker 1: you want to go on a vacation that's more isolated

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Speaker 1: somewhere you can have your own house, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: not hard to make that happen. So we are headed

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Speaker 1: off to a VRBO next week and we are very

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Speaker 1: excited about it. Yeah, that's exciting. We're renting a house

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Speaker 1: on the Jersey Shore for a week in August. We've

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Speaker 1: rented this house before, I think the first time we

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Speaker 1: did through VRBO, and then they've decided to rent through

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Speaker 1: an age, so we have been going through the agency

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Speaker 1: for that. But yeah, there's so many rental properties out

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Speaker 1: there and like vacation options, and I know that some

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Speaker 1: people like the idea of having their own vacation home

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Speaker 1: that they go to as theirs, but renting the same

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Speaker 1: place over and over again has some elements of that

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Speaker 1: without all the trouble that comes from second home ownership.

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Speaker 1: So then you know, when you don't want to do

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Speaker 1: that too. We've even been able to rent houses overseas

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Speaker 1: they're back. In twenty fourteen, we rented a farmhouse in

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands for a week for spring break, and you know,

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Speaker 1: because we had the three kids and staying in little

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Speaker 1: tiny European hotel rooms is just there aren't as many

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Speaker 1: like gigantic suites as there are at American hotels. Renting

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Speaker 1: the house away to go but it was just it

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Speaker 1: was seamless, like here, our landlord, who you know, had

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Speaker 1: and they verified the house and we get there and

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Speaker 1: it's sure enough it's the house that it was, and

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Speaker 1: just love how seamless that vacation option has now become.

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Speaker 1: And that was twenty fourteen. I'm sure it's even better now, well,

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Speaker 1: except it's harder travel internationally now, but once you get there,

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Speaker 1: the house will be great. Yeah, and I think places

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Speaker 1: so you can almost feel like you can tore it

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Speaker 1: before going, so it's not such an unknown of what's inside.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, what's your first one? Spray sunscreen?

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Speaker 1: and Vogel for modern missus Darcy. She bought it for

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Speaker 1: all the stuff, and I was like, oh, this does

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Speaker 1: seem so often well targeted, dangerously well targeted. But Spanks

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Speaker 1: Like you know, when I'm wearing shorts, I'm not really

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Speaker 1: probably has some benefit from there, tao, since that's their

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Speaker 1: whole Raisin Deetra as a company. So but that's not

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Speaker 1: notice they were getting more into the apparel kind of.

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, they sell I mean they sell skinny

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Speaker 1: I have another YouTube themed one, which is that I

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Speaker 1: discovered the world of very highly organized professional YouTube fitness

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Speaker 1: stars and their strength training programs. I feel like I

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00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: delved into YouTube fitness like a decade ago and kind

431
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: of didn't like how it felt very disjointed, like oh,

432
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: you could do this butt workout or this, but it

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Speaker 1: you know, like what am I supposed to do? When

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Speaker 1: now there's all these people, I think because of Instagram

435
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Speaker 1: the rise of social media, who are making very good

436
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Speaker 1: livings clearly, and they it's very similar to Beach Body

437
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: that they'll have a whole program, but it's not beach Body.

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Speaker 1: It's YouTube. It's completely free. I mean, you watch some ads.

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00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: There are usually programs you can sign up for for

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00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: additional support or like to get like fancy calendars and stuff,

441
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: but honestly, the entry point is that a lot of

442
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: these are you can try them very easily for free.

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Speaker 1: I'm currently just dipping my toes into this one super

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Speaker 1: rockstar woman named Sidney Cummings, and apparently there's another sort

445
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Speaker 1: of competitor named Caroline Gervins, and I'm trying to figure

446
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Speaker 1: out which one would be a better fit. I think

447
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Speaker 1: Sydney might be slightly more accessible, so I think I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go with her. But I have been looking

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Speaker 1: for something beach body ish that's not beach Body. I

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Speaker 1: will say, you know, I did try the Peloton Strength,

451
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Speaker 1: and I think some of the worsts were good, but

452
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love it because and I know

453
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Speaker 1: this is like sacrilege to many listeners who are so

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Speaker 1: into that that's clearly their demographic. But I really like

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Speaker 1: having like a program and having one person that I

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Speaker 1: feel like, again, it doesn't have to be a real

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Speaker 1: life person, because I'm an upholder, and I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't mind, like I can make a schedule and stick

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Speaker 1: to it, but I like there to be like a

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Speaker 1: specific thing I'm trying to complete where I'm going back

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Speaker 1: to this person's routine every day. And I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like Peloton really had that model, which for most people

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Speaker 1: that might be great, but for me it didn't fit.

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Speaker 1: But this, this whole world was like opened up to me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's like many others that are amazing

466
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Speaker 1: and like you can get such an amazing lifelong workout

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Speaker 1: without ever having to go to a gym or a

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Speaker 1: class again. And I'm like, that's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: At these modern times, I have not been doing anyone's

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Speaker 1: workouts online. I'm been trued by some of the people

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Speaker 1: I follow. Like I said on Instagram, I follow this

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Speaker 1: lady Anna Victoria, who is another you know, fitness influencer

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Speaker 1: personality whatever, But she posted a workout she did that

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Speaker 1: I think honestly she did as her workout during her

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Speaker 1: daughter's nap. She's like, Okay, this is like twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes dumbbells or other limited equipment, you could do it

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Speaker 1: during the nap. And I was like, well, that's that

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Speaker 1: sounds doable. That sounds like actually a good targeting market there,

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Speaker 1: So maybe I will check that out. I could could

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Speaker 1: start doing that. I don't know. I've been just running.

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Speaker 1: I know that's not what we're supposed to be doing

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Speaker 1: for our body composition in our forties. Wait, what happened

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Speaker 1: to your strength streak? Oh? I am still doing that,

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Speaker 1: but you know I'm not doing enough to like get anywhere,

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Speaker 1: just so that's count. I don't know. I would not

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Speaker 1: discount your strength streak. I mean, strength is strength, even

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Speaker 1: if it's ten minutes. If you're doing it every day,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm even doing ten minutes. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: like one thing. I still love it. I don't love it.

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Speaker 1: It's better than zero things. Yeah, okay, all right. One

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Speaker 1: thing I do love though, puzzles. I know our listeners

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Speaker 1: have been hearing about me, you know, hearing me talk

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Speaker 1: about this for a while. I've really been on a

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Speaker 1: streak of doing thousand piece puzzles over the last nine

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Speaker 1: months or so, I've been doing White Mountain is my

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Speaker 1: favorite brand so far. I've been doing some from Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Games as well, but I think the White Mountain ones

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Speaker 1: that the pieces have some heft to them, and the

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Speaker 1: designs are thought through as being puzzle designs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people they just put a scene,

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00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: like a pretty scene, and then it's cut into puzzle pieces,

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Speaker 1: which is fine, but that can wind up being like that.

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Speaker 1: There are whole swaths of it that are like similar colors,

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Speaker 1: and so if you've got this model gray, it could

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Speaker 1: be this quarter, it could be over here, it could

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Speaker 1: be wherever, and that can be very challenging. And if

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Speaker 1: you want that in a puzzle, that's fine, But if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for something that's fun and brainless entertainment, I

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Speaker 1: prefer to know that no, that piece goes most likely

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Speaker 1: in this part of the puzzle. So yeah, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a hot air balloon one right now. I did one

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Speaker 1: that was like the local bookstore before. I've got my

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Speaker 1: eye on three holiday themed puzzles for around Christmas. I'll

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00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: probably start donating them the ones that I've done. That's

515
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: probably the best thing to do with them, because you

516
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: don't really do a puzzle more than once usually, but

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Speaker 1: it's a good thing to do that's not scrolling, because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about screen free activities and sometimes I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like reading. I have definitely not felt as much

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00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: like reading, particularly if I'm tired at night, if I've

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Speaker 1: been on screens all day, I don't want to read

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Speaker 1: anything on my phone. And you know, it's been harder

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Speaker 1: to stick with books for whatever reason. So it's something

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Speaker 1: I can do and I enjoy spending, you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes a night on it and make progress. Love it.

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Speaker 1: I might be out of good things? Is it bad

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Speaker 1: if we have more complaining than good things? You have

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00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: nothing else? Well, okay, can I have a comment? Or

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Speaker 1: you have the Olympics on here and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: I'm going to let you go through that. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to add a complaint to our good things episode.

532
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Speaker 1: But I think we spent solid forty five minutes trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out how we could pay to watch the

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Speaker 1: Olympics because we don't have papo. Oh and I'm not

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Speaker 1: even sure we were successful. See, this is the problem

536
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: when you cut the cord, it's the only problem. We

537
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: can get anything else we want. But we were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you go to sling and then you sign up for this.

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00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that wasn't the right thing. Okay, way was this?

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Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't the right thing. Oh you go through

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Speaker 1: WHU like it wasn't like we weren't willing to pay,

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Speaker 1: We're like sign us up for whatever service, Like there

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00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: needed to be in twenty twenty one, some easy paywall

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Speaker 1: where I could just pay two hundred dollars and get

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Speaker 1: full access to all of the Olympics. I would have

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Speaker 1: paid it. I would have just paid it, like press

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Speaker 1: the button done. Okay, I'm sorry, and I'm certain I'm

548
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: inserting a complaining rant into our happy things, but I'm

549
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: disappointed in that, and I really do want to watch

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Speaker 1: more of the Olympics which are happening. I mean, they're

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: going to be pretty much over by the time, yeah,

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00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: but it is such a treat and maybe by twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Well what's funny about that is they had

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Speaker 1: such a thing in nineteen ninety six, because I remember

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00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: that several people I knew there was like three channels

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00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: you could buy for the months to like get all

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Speaker 1: of the Olympic things. And I know several people who

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Speaker 1: did that, right to watch the entirety of the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: So it's fun that they had it then. It's just

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Speaker 1: harder for people to do now. I'm behind on watching

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00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: I meant to watch more than I have. I mean,

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00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: so it's like, oh yeay, the Olympics are on. It's

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00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: like I see little bits of swimming, you know, because

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00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: my life has not become slightly you know, less stuff

565
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: going on in my life just because the Olympics are on.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like there's magically six hours a day

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Speaker 1: to watch it, even though there might be things I

568
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Speaker 1: wish to watch. So I'm sure I'm gonna be behind

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Speaker 1: on it. But oh well, But the thing is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're spoiled for Olympics this year because the year of

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Speaker 1: delay means that the summer is now, the winter will

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Speaker 1: be six months from now, because you know, they're on

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Speaker 1: a two year cycle, but it's always one and a

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Speaker 1: half years and two and a half years because of

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Speaker 1: the summer to winter, winter to summer thing. But because

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Speaker 1: we lost the year, it's only six months. So that's

577
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Speaker 1: going to be kind of a lot of Olympics. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll be done watching the tape Summer Olympics by the

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Speaker 1: time the Winter Olympics comes on. I wonder where the

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Speaker 1: Winter Olympics are. Oh well, they're in China. It's a

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00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: long story, right anyway, So another thing that. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: see how that plays out with a geopolitical situation. Not

583
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: a topic for best of both worlds. So one other

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Speaker 1: thing I had on my list, which would be a

585
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: nice fun note to end on, is lilies. So they

586
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: are in season now in the like the big summer

587
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: lilies in the wild ones too here in Pennsylvania. So

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: tiger lily is the orange ones are just a wildflower,

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00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: like they grow. I assume people must have planted them,

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: but sometime, because sometimes they grow and sort of like

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00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: concentrated clumps in places where it's like, well, that looks

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00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: like somebody planted it. But I love looking at them,

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00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: and so I'm always like, oh, we need to have

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Speaker 1: some for our yard. And so for like a year

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Speaker 1: or two, we were going to garden stores being like,

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Speaker 1: how can we get some of these, you know, tiger lilies,

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Speaker 1: these these orange lilies whatever, and people are looking at

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00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: us like it's like you walked into a garden store

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Speaker 1: and asked to buy dandelions, I mean, because it's they

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Speaker 1: just grow. So we finally wound up digging some up

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Speaker 1: and transplanting them from a friend's yard because they had

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Speaker 1: crops of them everywhere, and they're great. They grow up.

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Speaker 1: They're beautiful, Like they're just a nice bright orange in

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Speaker 1: the middle of July and into August, and they're so

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Speaker 1: maybe your whole lin is going to become that exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh that would that would be fine. I mean, because

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00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: they're very pretty and they right now we've got them,

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Speaker 1: and they create myrtles which have these beautiful the kinds

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Speaker 1: we have with these beautiful violet pink flowers. So to

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00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: have pink and orange in your yard is a good

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Speaker 1: time in the middle of summer. I love it. And least,

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Speaker 1: at least to my record, they smell really good, don't they.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's not so much the

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Speaker 1: smell is that they're very big and bold colors. So yeah,

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00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: they're wonderful to look at. So we have a question

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Speaker 1: from our listener, another childcare question we get. Like I've said,

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Speaker 1: we this is the topic we hear from people most about,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's because it just doesn't get discussed

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Speaker 1: a lot various places, and there's a lot of logistics

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Speaker 1: to getting the childcare situation that works for your family.

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Speaker 1: There are some thoughts out there that like, oh, once

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Speaker 1: you know you've figured out childcare, you never have to

623
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Speaker 1: worry about a thing again, and that is not the case.

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Speaker 1: So this listener is a prosecutor and her husband is

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Speaker 1: a physician, so two big careers. They are expecting kid

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Speaker 1: number two. They had a nanny for the first nineteen

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Speaker 1: months of their older child's life and then went to

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Speaker 1: daycare after that. The issue, as people who have sent

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Speaker 1: children to daycare now is that you get sick a lot.

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Speaker 1: And that's even worse in the COVID era because there's

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Speaker 1: always things like quarantines coming as a result of potential

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00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: COVID related symptoms, even if it turns out to be

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Speaker 1: just normal respiratory virus that runs like wildfire through every daycare.

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Speaker 1: So their kid's been sick a lot lately, they're wondering

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Speaker 1: what to do. They've got a small pool of babysitters

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Speaker 1: that they can ask for backup care, but it's hard

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Speaker 1: to find somebody at six pm the night four for

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Speaker 1: seven thirty the next morning. R I'd say that's even

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Speaker 1: a lot of notice. I'm problem is when it's six

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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning for seven thirty, that's even worse.

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Speaker 1: So what should they do? They love that daycare is social,

642
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Speaker 1: their kid is learning a lot, making friends, loves being

643
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Speaker 1: with other children. But you know, as they're expecting baby

644
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Speaker 1: number two, it seems like, you know, they have two

645
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Speaker 1: careers where they cannot not be there between you know,

646
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Speaker 1: a physician practicing and somebody who has court cases where

647
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Speaker 1: they need to show up. What do they do? So, Sarah,

648
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Speaker 1: what do you think on this one? So we did

649
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Speaker 1: this and we had both when I was pregnant with Cameron.

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Speaker 1: That's when we hired nanny, and Annibal had been in

651
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Speaker 1: full time daycare for a couple of weeks. We'd just moved,

652
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Speaker 1: and it was evident that that was not going to

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Speaker 1: be enough, because all of a sudden we were faced with, oh,

654
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Speaker 1: what happens when she gets sick? And it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to call out from work that I

656
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Speaker 1: just started here, you know, with my first real job,

657
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Speaker 1: and Josh really couldn't do it either, So it was

658
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Speaker 1: like this is kind of just and with the impending

659
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Speaker 1: second kid, you know, we weren't that excited about sending

660
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Speaker 1: like a very very young child to daycare, although some

661
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Speaker 1: people do, and the babies too usually do great. But anyways,

662
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I just think that layered covers is essential.

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Speaker 1: I hate that because it is extremely expensive when you

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Speaker 1: say coverage, so you are recommending and that's so we

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Speaker 1: know here what Sarah is recommending is that they keep

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Speaker 1: the two year old in daycare and hire a full

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Speaker 1: time nanny. So you explain that to people, because I

668
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Speaker 1: think people think these are either or things. No. I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that you're probably right that that environment's

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Speaker 1: great for your child, they're comfortable there. Perhaps you might

671
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Speaker 1: think about shortening the day, like I think what we

672
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Speaker 1: did is we had our nanny pick Annabelle up at

673
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Speaker 1: like nap time and she would nap at home, so

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Speaker 1: we didn't have to pay for the full day of daycare.

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Speaker 1: But that way, with her napping in the afternoons at

676
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Speaker 1: home as a two year old, you know, our nanny

677
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Speaker 1: didn't have to actually do that much. She could focus

678
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Speaker 1: on Cameron when he was little. But it was kind

679
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Speaker 1: of like never it didn't even cross my mind as

680
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Speaker 1: a viable option that we could just put them both

681
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Speaker 1: in daycare and be okay, just because of the inevitable

682
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Speaker 1: multiple sicknesses. And this was way way way before COVID

683
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Speaker 1: unless you have family, So if you are lucky enough

684
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Speaker 1: to have family around that's comfortable being your backup, and

685
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Speaker 1: I know lots of people like that. Amazing. If you

686
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Speaker 1: can structure your life in a way that family could

687
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Speaker 1: be your backup, amazing. That was not an option for

688
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Speaker 1: us for multiple reasons, so that's what we came up with.

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Speaker 1: The other viable option, actually, I guess I can think

690
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Speaker 1: of two would be an O pair, which is really

691
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Speaker 1: really popular for that reason. And you could do an

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Speaker 1: O pair and daycare and that way. For example, I

693
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Speaker 1: know you mentioned the partner's a physician, Like the old

694
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Speaker 1: pair could help you on the weekend sometimes, so you

695
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing if they were on call, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be doing lots of solo stuff, and you could like

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Speaker 1: kind of use those hours more flexibly if the others

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Speaker 1: aren't in care. And I guess Laura's other option, I'll

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Speaker 1: let you talk about it would be like stacking multiple

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Speaker 1: options kind of a thing. Yeah, So I mean what

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Speaker 1: people who have you know, multiple big jobs in the

702
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Speaker 1: family that is not going to be like forty hours flexible,

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Speaker 1: you know, like that where there could be after hours things,

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Speaker 1: there be more than forty hours a week, like you

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Speaker 1: physically need to be there if there's sort of limited flexibility.

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Speaker 1: What a lot of people need to get their heads

707
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Speaker 1: around is the idea of stacking child care coverage so

708
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Speaker 1: it's not nanny or daycare once you have more than

709
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Speaker 1: one kid, it's often nanny plus some form of communal care,

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Speaker 1: like daycare for a two year old or preschool. You know,

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Speaker 1: once you've got a three or four year old, like

712
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Speaker 1: daycare for two year olds is essentially preschool, only just

713
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Speaker 1: a little bit younger than most people would start sending

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Speaker 1: their children to preschool. But because of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: then you have more doable job for your caregiver, right

716
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Speaker 1: because there's hours of the day they're only focusing on

717
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Speaker 1: one child. The older kid gets the socializing, but there's

718
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Speaker 1: a backup for when they inevitably get sick or if

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Speaker 1: the school is closed for some reason, because you've got

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Speaker 1: that full time care as well. Now, obviously your full

721
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Speaker 1: time caregiver may also have days that he or she

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Speaker 1: couldn't be there, and so then you need to figure

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Speaker 1: out what is the backup for that for the kid

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Speaker 1: who's too young to go to whatever community option you have.

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Speaker 1: But it's at least a slightly more certain thing because

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that almost everybody finds that there

727
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Speaker 1: are more daycare illnesses than there are situations where your

728
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Speaker 1: full time caregiver can't come, you know, all of a sudden, right, Like,

729
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be a less likely scenario than

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Speaker 1: the child suddenly getting sick in daycare. So stack it,

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Speaker 1: you know, stack nanny plus daycare, nanny plus preschool. If

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Speaker 1: you have two really big jobs, you might want to

733
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Speaker 1: stack full time nanny plus part time nanny, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I hear this complain from people. They're like, oh, I

735
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Speaker 1: can't keep anyone. Nobody wants to work for me. Oh

736
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Speaker 1: it's so terrible. It's like, well, okay, And then you

737
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Speaker 1: drill down. You see that they're trying to get somebody

738
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Speaker 1: who work sixty hours a week, and it's like, well,

739
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: that's more than you really probably want to expect someone

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Speaker 1: to be on for. They're going to burn out at

741
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: that job. So hire one person for forty to fifty

742
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: or so, another person for twenty, right, and then that

743
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: way you've got the coverage. And then possibly if the

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Speaker 1: part time person has some more availability, they could be

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Speaker 1: a backup. Should be full time option be available, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully you'd be able to maybe limit your hours some

747
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Speaker 1: if the part time person wasn't available for a while.

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Speaker 1: So there's that. But you know, we were saying, like

749
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Speaker 1: this is obviously expensive, like good quality care is expensive.

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00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: It's even more expensive once you are stacking things. But

751
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: it's not forever, right, I mean this is you were

752
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: making this point to our listener. Yeah, the well I

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Speaker 1: thought you were gonna mention also like the idea of

754
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: having like a six deep babysitter pool. Oh yeah, well

755
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: they're no. I mean, so one thing some people do.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to read about a family doing

757
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: this or whatever, I think this is in Tiffany Dufu's

758
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: book too, that she was what she put her husband

759
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Speaker 1: in charge of finding babysitters for stuff, and he was

760
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: like brilliant at it. She was always finding somebody within

761
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: like two minutes. And she's like, what is your secret?

762
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: You know, what are you doing? And it turns out

763
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: he put all their sitters on a group text and

764
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: then would just say if like he needed somebody at

765
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Thursday, he'd be like, okay, who wants it?

766
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Speaker 1: And the first person to respond is the person who doesn't.

767
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: And on some of them people are be like, whoa,

768
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: that's a little weird, Like you know, what do people

769
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Speaker 1: think about it? But you can, you know, obviously, ask

770
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: people if they want to opt into this, like you

771
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: don't have to like you force anyone to do this,

772
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: but you also, I mean, this is how a lot

773
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Speaker 1: of small businesses actually operate with shifts too. So if

774
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Speaker 1: somebody is feels like they can't come into work today,

775
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: what they'll do is text the employee pool and be like,

776
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, I can't does somebody could tell me take

777
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: the shift, and then whoever actually wants extra hours can respond,

778
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: as opposed to trying to go through your manager who's

779
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: busy as well, Like this is just a way, you know,

780
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: for interchangeable work. You could book people, so you know,

781
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: that's that's something you can do. Like if you have

782
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: people who've opted into this who might be available at

783
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Speaker 1: different times, just say okay, you know, I need somebody

784
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Speaker 1: for this time and use it that way. But it's

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Speaker 1: hard to make work for the long term and people

786
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: when you've got that many people who aren't working full time,

787
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: their schedules start to change quickly, and so it's like, oh, well,

788
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Speaker 1: this person had a Tuesday night class, this semester, but

789
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Speaker 1: now they have a Thursday night class. You know, it's

790
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: just you can only run it for a couple of

791
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: weeks with the same sort of scenarios before you have

792
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: to change things up again. So yeah, I think that's

793
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: an interesting option, but high maintenance, But it could work

794
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: as a probably less expensive option if it's just completely

795
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Speaker 1: out of the realm to you know, completely hire somebody.

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Speaker 1: So one other thing we wanted to mention is the

797
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Speaker 1: fact that this is finite. It's kind of like paying

798
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: for college, like it's four years, you know, and then

799
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: it's over, you know, whether you choose to or not.

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Speaker 1: This is not from your baby till they're eighteen. You

801
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: won't eat coverage when they're fifteen years old. In fact,

802
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: by the time your kid hits maybe like six or seven.

803
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Speaker 1: If you have a job where sometimes you could do

804
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: your job from home, you could imagine having a fully

805
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: productive work day while your child basically watches videos and

806
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: you get them lunch. You know, obviously that's not going

807
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: to work when you have an eighteen month old. And

808
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: if you have you know, eight kids, then yes, you're

809
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Speaker 1: going to have an eighteen month old for a while.

810
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: But if you just have two or three kids. You know,

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Speaker 1: this phase, this expensive phase, isn't necessarily going to be forever,

812
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: So you know, keep that in because it may seem

813
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Speaker 1: like a horrendous outlay, But if you think of it

814
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Speaker 1: as having an endpoint, then I think that can help exactly.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has been best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing an all Good Things episode. We will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work in

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Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me

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Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore

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Speaker 1: Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at

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Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of

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Speaker 1: Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more

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Speaker 1: on making work and life work together.