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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Brian, Hi Katie. Well, you know, we have actually

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<v Speaker 1>a very serious show today, because while we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the dizzey and pace of news, it's sometimes hard to

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<v Speaker 1>process the daily barrage of stories that have been filling

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<v Speaker 1>up our timelines and news feeds. And that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do today. We wanted to step back and

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<v Speaker 1>give some perspective to a particularly horrific event that happened recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and the topic is gun violence. The event is the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at Parkland in Florida. And I'm just heartbroken, as

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<v Speaker 1>I know you are every time you hear about another

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting. That's right, it's like a broken record, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's happening far too frequently. I know that we're

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<v Speaker 1>all devastated for the families in Parkland, Florida. We're seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>people at Marjorie Stone and Douglas High School were killed

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<v Speaker 1>in February. Many others were injured, and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>entire higher school and community completely traumatized when a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old former student at the school returned with an

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<v Speaker 1>a R fifteen and open fire. I know this time

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<v Speaker 1>is different. Has become kind of a cliche but this

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<v Speaker 1>time really does feel different, um, namely because of how

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<v Speaker 1>the students at the school have responded. They've been remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Mark Bardon, who is the father from

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<v Speaker 1>Sandy Hook who lost his adorable son Daniel in that massacre,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were trying to understand why this felt different,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's because, as you mentioned, Brian, these

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<v Speaker 1>high school students, they are smart, they're learning the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making their voices be heard. So it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>this built in advocacy group that has sprung up from

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<v Speaker 1>this horrific tragedy. You're exactly right. I mean, they're pressuring

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<v Speaker 1>politicians on social media. They organized a national school walkout day,

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<v Speaker 1>and also of course a march in Washington that's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on Saturday, March, two days after this episode drops.

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<v Speaker 1>And that brings us to our first guest, Ali Sheehy.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a senior at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School

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<v Speaker 1>in Parkland, a really sweet, nice, kind of typical high

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<v Speaker 1>school senior. Thinking about the things that high school seniors

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<v Speaker 1>think about their future, how to get through exams, graduation,

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<v Speaker 1>prom all these rites of passage when this happens. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you listen to her, I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>realize how extraordinary she actually is. She was so gracious

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<v Speaker 1>and open about her experience. It was very moving to

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<v Speaker 1>speak with her and today, By the way, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>two part episode. Our second guest is Shannon Watts, the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Mom's Demand Action, which is a group pushing

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<v Speaker 1>for reform of our gun loss. She's another remarkable woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She started Mom's Demand Action as a stay at home

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<v Speaker 1>mom with five kids, no political experience. She had some

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing corporate communications, but like so many Americans, when she

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>she said enough, I have got to do something. So

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<v Speaker 1>she decided to take action and decided to start this

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<v Speaker 1>organization that has grown tremendously and accomplished so much in

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<v Speaker 1>just five years. Mom's Demand Action now has fifty chapters

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<v Speaker 1>over a hundred thousand act of volunteers working to pass

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<v Speaker 1>what they call common sense gun reforms on the state

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<v Speaker 1>and federal level. You'll be hearing from Shannon a bit

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<v Speaker 1>later in the show, but first our conversation with an

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary student from Parkland, Florida, Ali Sheehy. Hey, Ali, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Kuric. Can you hear me? Okay, yes I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is Brian Goldsmith. Hey, Ali, it's nice to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you. Thanks so much for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me so Ali. Gosh, Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to really figure out where to begin. You're eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, you're a senior in high school at Marjorie

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<v Speaker 1>Stoneman Douglas High School. I guess I'm going to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the question that reporters are told not to ask, but

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<v Speaker 1>somehow I feel is appropriate given the situation. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? Um? I think right now all of us

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of doing the best that we can. It's

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<v Speaker 1>getting used to our new normal that we have at

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<v Speaker 1>our school and our community right now. And how would

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<v Speaker 1>you describe that new normal? I don't really think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a way to describe it. There's just a wave

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<v Speaker 1>of emotions that kind of affects everybody differently at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just kind of trying to all get through

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<v Speaker 1>it together because you don't know what the person next

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<v Speaker 1>to you is thinking or going through, or how this

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<v Speaker 1>aspected them. It's just kind of a sensitive situation that

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<v Speaker 1>we're all in right now. I'm sure you know everyone

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<v Speaker 1>deals with trauma differently, and is it a fairly unified

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<v Speaker 1>situation at the high school or if you've seen evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of people kind of at each other because of this

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<v Speaker 1>and dealing with emotion, you know, these very heavy emotions

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. I mean, for the most part

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<v Speaker 1>right now at our school, we're all very unified, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all one family. But even in a family, you have

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<v Speaker 1>fights between people, and right now, most of the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>is between the political aspects of this kind of argument

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<v Speaker 1>that we're having, with the left and the right and

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<v Speaker 1>liberals and conservatives at our school having different viewpoints and

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<v Speaker 1>different ways that they want to take this, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just something that's hard to see because this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the time to argue between ourselves. It's something it's a

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<v Speaker 1>time that we all need to be together, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just angers me to see people arguing over something

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't need to argue about. So Ali, before

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about that terrible day and before we talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about the aftermath, can you tell our listeners a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about your life before the shooting, about your

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<v Speaker 1>senior year. I know you describe yourself as a happy,

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<v Speaker 1>go lucky person. Before this, what were your interests and

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<v Speaker 1>activities and what's Parkland, Florida like? Um? Before this, I

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<v Speaker 1>was focused on my senior year getting AP tests and

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<v Speaker 1>finishing that out. And the week before that, I was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about my AP stack quiz that I had on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday that I didn't understand anything that I was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was kind of studying really hard for that,

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<v Speaker 1>and UM prom is coming up, So my friends and

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<v Speaker 1>I we're kind of worried about that and which jess

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<v Speaker 1>we're going on and what friends are coming with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and what bus we're going on and sort of normal

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<v Speaker 1>high school things, right. And I also that day that morning, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked my best friend if she wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>my roommate in college. Where is where are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to school? Alley? I'm going to UCF in this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's Parkland, Florida like? I mean, I know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about halfway between Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly small, tight knit community. Well, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>describe it as the Parkland Bubble because it's really just

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<v Speaker 1>a tight knit community of family and it's very family oriented.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a city that families with small children moved to

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<v Speaker 1>specifically because of the atmosphere that we have. The population

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of small, and we have a plus schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just something that people come to feel safe at.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a safe city. So you expressed to our producers

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<v Speaker 1>you are willing to talk about that day, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to read troum ties you Ali, So you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about whatever you're comfortable talking about. But as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>you were thinking about the prom, you were talking to

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<v Speaker 1>your best friend about college, you were worried about an

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<v Speaker 1>AP test, and then suddenly those concerns, which are legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>for a high school senior, for any student across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>but they became obviously something that I had no weight

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. Tell us about where you were and

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<v Speaker 1>what you witnessed and what that day was like for

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<v Speaker 1>you personally. UM My morning started out normally. I got

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<v Speaker 1>up late because I didn't want to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>bed because I'm not a morning person. Um. But I

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<v Speaker 1>got to school, I hung out with my friends and

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot, and I asked my best friend to

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<v Speaker 1>be my roommate. I made a little sign and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>will you be my Valentine but crossed out Valentine and

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<v Speaker 1>wrote roommate and she said yes, and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>big hug um and then we all separated and we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think any of a thing of it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just saw said a quick bye, see you later, and

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<v Speaker 1>we went to our first period and the morning announcements

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<v Speaker 1>came on and UM, our assistant principal came on for

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<v Speaker 1>his usual normal UM morning announcements and he started talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like the protocols in our zones for fire drills,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, oh, there must be a fire drill

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<v Speaker 1>coming up later, And sure enough, second period, the fire

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<v Speaker 1>alarm one goes off. We all walk out of the building, calmly,

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<v Speaker 1>stand in rose, go back in. Ten minutes later, class continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth period comes around and my teacher we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got halfway through class and we were in a project

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<v Speaker 1>because we just finished reading Macbeth and we were doing

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<v Speaker 1>a project on that, and she had to leave early

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<v Speaker 1>because she had to drop her kid off at the doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>so she had to drop us off in the auditorium

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<v Speaker 1>because there weren't enough subs that day to cover uh,

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a teacher from the freshman building come

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<v Speaker 1>over with his class, and then we were sitting and

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<v Speaker 1>finishing up our project and we're kind of goofing around,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the fire alarm went off again, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of confused because we didn't know why this

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<v Speaker 1>would happen so close to the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got up, we walked outside, and we heard

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<v Speaker 1>some pops. We didn't think anything of it, but then

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<v Speaker 1>we saw kids running and screaming, and so we were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this must be like a real fire. We should start

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<v Speaker 1>walking faster um, and we picked up the pace, but

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<v Speaker 1>then we were our auditorium is right next to the administration,

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<v Speaker 1>like the office, and administrators were telling us to turn

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<v Speaker 1>back and go back inside. So we ran back inside

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, this is weird. Why are we doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>And for the first ten minutes we thought that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a drill, like this was a code red jill.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more and more we thought about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>more and more we realized why would they make a

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<v Speaker 1>code red drill so closely end of school, Why would

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<v Speaker 1>they not tell the teachers, and why would so many

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<v Speaker 1>sirens be coming from outside? And I immediately started texting

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<v Speaker 1>all my friends and trying to calm down the people

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<v Speaker 1>around me, because kids that I've gone to school with

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<v Speaker 1>for my entire life, basically we're breaking down crying. We

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<v Speaker 1>all thought we didn't know if we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>make it out. And that's a very scary thing to

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<v Speaker 1>think about. It's not something I ever want anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>to text to their parents, because I know. I texted

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and I said, I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 1>is real, but I want to let you know I

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<v Speaker 1>love you. And she responded back saying what and ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes past and I said, Mom, it's real. So you

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<v Speaker 1>went back into the school after you had left the school.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't actually leave like the school grounds. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just outside of the auditorium, so we didn't It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that you drill for and teachers are

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<v Speaker 1>told to put you back into the building when this happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Where was your class before your teacher left early? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just curious, was your class in the area. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually moved closer to where it was happening. If she

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<v Speaker 1>did not leave early, we would have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>nine building, which is the furthest one away from where

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<v Speaker 1>it happened, and we would have been in the backfield

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<v Speaker 1>and already evacuated to Walmart when it happened. When you

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<v Speaker 1>when did you realize, Ali, what had happened inside that school?

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<v Speaker 1>It was when I started getting messages from my friends

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<v Speaker 1>that were in that building saying, I'm I love you

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<v Speaker 1>and it's real, it's happening. Like two kids in my

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<v Speaker 1>class were just shot and there's blood everywhere. So kids

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<v Speaker 1>were texting you as it was actually going on. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know many of the students who lost their lives

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<v Speaker 1>that day? Um? I knew a few. Um. Three of

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<v Speaker 1>them were my grade. Um. One of them, Carmen, was

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<v Speaker 1>in some of my classes, and one of the younger ones,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the freshman's that passed away. Um, is on

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<v Speaker 1>my little sister's soccer team, and the two coaches saw

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<v Speaker 1>them every morning. Just hard to believe, isn't it? Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it hard to talk about this for you, Ali? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to listen. I can only imagine having to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story. I'm hesitant even to ask this, But

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<v Speaker 1>did you know the shooter at all? I did. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in grade before he got expelled. What can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about him? Um? He was just Um the

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<v Speaker 1>best way I can describe him. Was. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>weird person that went up to anybody and everybody and

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<v Speaker 1>talked to them like he knew them already. And me,

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<v Speaker 1>as a shy person that doesn't really like talking to people,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of awkward and I'd always try to

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<v Speaker 1>shuffle away whenever he came up to me. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was very persistent and would talk about the most randomous things.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was a kid that went to our middle school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's he had had problems all before. He had to

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<v Speaker 1>bring a plastic bag to school because he couldn't bring

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<v Speaker 1>his backpack anymore, so that they could see what he

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<v Speaker 1>brought to school, because he was that much of a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you surprised that more wasn't done or disturbed that

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<v Speaker 1>more wasn't done given the warning signs that seemed in

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<v Speaker 1>retrospect to have been everywhere. I'm disturbed by it, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is something that should never have happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also something that I know my school did the

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<v Speaker 1>most that they could have, given the laws and the

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<v Speaker 1>rules that they're given as teachers. There was nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>the school could have done. It was left to our

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<v Speaker 1>government and our local police officers. But even though you

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<v Speaker 1>were limited and it's just something that never should have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be taking a quick break and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>with Parkland student Ali She right after this, and now

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<v Speaker 1>back with Alie She in the math aftermath of this tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I know your focus is on school safety, whereas I

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<v Speaker 1>know some many of your classmates are focused on changing

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<v Speaker 1>gun laws. So how did you decide to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>this aspect of the issue. And I'm curious about if

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<v Speaker 1>that's created any tension among your classmates. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's tension among our classmates. For me personally, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>only talking about school safety, I believe and stronger and

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<v Speaker 1>stricter gun laws. It's just that we already have a

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<v Speaker 1>forefront for the gun laws. People. Those are my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Those people that are speaking out are students from my school.

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<v Speaker 1>They I've known them forever. They're talking about it. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a strong argument with them already, but we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of working in conjunction with them to get this full

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of problems that need to be fixed. When you

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<v Speaker 1>say that you're focused on school safety, what does that

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<v Speaker 1>actually mean. Well, I've looked into it, and for fire

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<v Speaker 1>jewels for our schools, I don't know if it's every

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<v Speaker 1>county yet. I haven't done enough research, but we're required

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<v Speaker 1>to have a fire drill once every month. That means

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<v Speaker 1>that we have ten fire drills every single school years.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we've been in kindergarten, that has been something that

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<v Speaker 1>has been drilled into our heads that it's an automatic

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<v Speaker 1>response to get up and walk out of the classroom

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<v Speaker 1>when that bell goes off. For code red drills, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't practice them that that often. It's not an automatic

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<v Speaker 1>response to get up and go to the safest corner

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. It's something that in a moment that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't practiced as much as fire drills, that people

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<v Speaker 1>freeze and they don't know what to do and they panic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I I've talked to people that were in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people that were in some of the rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the people in those rooms that actually

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<v Speaker 1>passed away was because they went for the window first

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<v Speaker 1>instead of going towards the corner. Or people started going

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<v Speaker 1>towards the corner, but they weren't completely out of sight

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<v Speaker 1>from the window and the door, so they were out

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<v Speaker 1>in the open and they got hit. And it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to become a second nature that a fire

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<v Speaker 1>drill is because it's unacceptable. It's even disturbing that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to practice these kinds of things. But it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that is our new reality. This is something that we've

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<v Speaker 1>grown up with our entire lives. Like when Columbine happened,

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<v Speaker 1>I was not even born, so that was something that

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<v Speaker 1>the schools implemented as I went to school. I've grown

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<v Speaker 1>up with this and it's something that definitely needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be fixed on multiple levels. But right now we should

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<v Speaker 1>be fixing the problems that we have. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>big cluster of wrong right. And what what do you

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<v Speaker 1>make of President Trump's recommendation that more teachers should be armed?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about that? Alley I that is

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<v Speaker 1>the worst idea I have ever heard in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely eat that idea. It's once you're in that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>you understand. But a swat team coming into your room,

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<v Speaker 1>they have their guns drawn, they have they asked and

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<v Speaker 1>are screaming at you to have their hands raised where

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<v Speaker 1>they can see them. And if my teacher had a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>how are they supposed to tell that that person is

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy or the good guy. And another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I find very disturbing is how they're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>doing it with having the gun locked away, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it's locked away, you need to have the AMMO separate

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<v Speaker 1>from it. And if it's locked away, this happened in

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<v Speaker 1>six minutes. Six minutes is a very short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Six minutes is not enough time to protect your students

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure they're safe. Then go to yours guns safe,

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<v Speaker 1>get out your stuff, and then ask my teacher that

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<v Speaker 1>has volunteered their time to teach me, to make me

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<v Speaker 1>into a doctor, into a lawyer, into a politician, into

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<v Speaker 1>a baker, into anything that I'm going to do in

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<v Speaker 1>my future, and then asked them to risk their lives for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not something they signed up for. There was legislation

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<v Speaker 1>just signed in Florida that does a variety of things.

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<v Speaker 1>That annects a three day waiting period to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>gun at bands so called bump stocks, that raises them

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.520
<v Speaker 1>inimum age with some exceptions to one. It also does

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<v Speaker 1>make it easier to train and armed school employees. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your reaction to this legislation? Did you support it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a baby step in the right direction, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not listening to what we're actually asking for. They're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just pacifying what we're asking for and hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to stop. And I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, we're not going to stop, because this has

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<v Speaker 1>happened way too many times and I don't want my

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<v Speaker 1>school to be another statistic in the school shooting list.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want that to happen. Ali, what are you actually

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<v Speaker 1>asking for? We want to ban on the assault weapons

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<v Speaker 1>because there had There's no way that that should have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way that a nineteen year old that has

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<v Speaker 1>a background like that should have gotten a weapon like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many levels of what we want for stricter

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<v Speaker 1>background checks and mental health screenings. They're offering more for

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<v Speaker 1>arming teachers than they are for regular citizens on the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's completely ridiculous to me. How do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about President Trump's reaction to this? Did you appreciate that

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<v Speaker 1>he invited students to the White House and do you

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<v Speaker 1>think there's any hope that he will see things your way?

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<v Speaker 1>For the President inviting people to the White House to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him, I felt that was a big slap

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<v Speaker 1>in the face because that weekend and a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days before that, he was here. He was where we

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<v Speaker 1>all were. He was here to the point where students

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<v Speaker 1>and teachers could talk to him, But instead he selected

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<v Speaker 1>a few and brought them to him and in an

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<v Speaker 1>environment that only he could control. And I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>that because he only selected a few voices of what

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened. You wrote a poem ally called Dear Mr President.

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<v Speaker 1>UM one inspired you to write that, um it was

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<v Speaker 1>the morning when he was in or near Parkland and

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<v Speaker 1>he was not answering our calls to actually speak with

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<v Speaker 1>him and have a conversation with him. It was also

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<v Speaker 1>the morning that he wrote that the FBI failed us

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<v Speaker 1>because they were busy with the Russian collusion. And that

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<v Speaker 1>made me even more angry because he was sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>his hotel room watching TV while all of us were

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<v Speaker 1>going to vigils and memorials and bearing our friends. That

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<v Speaker 1>actually is so upsetting. That makes me cry thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>you all in this cognitive dissonance between what you all

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<v Speaker 1>were experiencing and what the President was tweeting. But can

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<v Speaker 1>you read a little of the poem you wrote? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you read actually the whole thing, because it's short

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<v Speaker 1>enough that you can read the whole thing. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>so good, So go ahead. My poem is called Dear Mr. President.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends have died, They are gone from our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>Yet you sit there twiddling your thumbs. My friends have died,

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<v Speaker 1>the life gone from their eyes, Yet you sit there

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<v Speaker 1>talking anything but guns. My friends have died, and we've

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.680
<v Speaker 1>cried and cried, yet you sit there blaming them mentally ill.

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 1>My friends have died, our voices pushed aside, yet you

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 1>sit there. You sit there still. My friends have died

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and our tears aren't dried, yet you sit there watching

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<v Speaker 1>us plead. My friends have died. It's an issue nationwide.

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<v Speaker 1>You sit there still. So how about you lead as

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<v Speaker 1>a community forever unified? I asked you, sir, how did

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<v Speaker 1>this happen to us? I invite you to learn to

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<v Speaker 1>hear the story from inside, because if not now, when

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<v Speaker 1>will the right time be to discuss that? Really? Uh spread?

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<v Speaker 1>I think on social media your poem. What kind of

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.679
<v Speaker 1>reaction did you get to your poem? I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of positive There was a lot of people supporting

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<v Speaker 1>and asking, tagging along with why hasn't anything been done

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>so far? I also got a lot of negative feedback

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<v Speaker 1>for people saying I was disrespectful to the president and

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<v Speaker 1>that I was blaming him for everything that happened, which

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't tend to do, nor do I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just asking him why he didn't do anything. Elie.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that you're an editor on your school yearbook

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the first high school that has to

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>document an event like this, and it's your book. So

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<v Speaker 1>how are you covering this tragedy. It's something that we

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<v Speaker 1>really have to be careful about. But as a group,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of our own little family now because we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it a lot, and it's kind of a therapy,

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>therapeutic kind of thing. Um. Covering it is a little

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>hard because you have to relive it every single time

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that you open that spread and look at it and

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>read the story and look at the pictures. But something

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>that we've all agreed on is that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>honor the way that they lived, not the way that

0:25:56.119 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they died. And I think it's very important that we

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<v Speaker 1>document it because this is something that all of us

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>are going to be able to keep for years. I

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>know you're going to do have plans to go to

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the march in Washington with your friends. What do you

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>hope people will take away from this show of unity

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that so many people in cities all

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>across the country will be marching and protesting on March.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you hope the message will be and where

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<v Speaker 1>do you go from here? I hope that it shows

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not going to take this line down anymore,

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that this is something that has brought us all together

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<v Speaker 1>and we're now questioning our government as to why they've

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<v Speaker 1>let it go on. And I hope this shows how

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to take it, that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>change it, and we're not going to shut up and

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>be quiet while you guys take money from lobbyists and

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>people that are trying to just control what goes on

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>in the country, the one percent that's going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to control it, because that's that's unacceptable. I had. I

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>went to a lunch with a couple of other student

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>activists from park Land, and they said that one of

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<v Speaker 1>their biggest priorities is to register kids to vote and

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>register people to vote, and to get them to be

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>motivated as n r A members can be and as

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>gun rights advocates can be single issue voters. They want

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to turn a lot of other people on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side into single issue voters. Is that the strategy that

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>you'd like to pursue as well. I definitely think that's

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>so important because right now, I know our generation and

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>the millennials before us haven't really shown out to vote

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>most of the time. Our age group has been sort

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of not politically active. And as my APGLV teacher has

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 1>told us time and time again, if you don't participate,

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't get to complain. And I think that's very

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>strong because we are participating now, We are using our voices,

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and we have the power to change it if we

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 1>don't like it, and I think that's something that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't understand. Or, as Gandhi said, be

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the change that you wish to see in the world. Yeah,

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that's painted on our wall in our school. Is anyone

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>helping you, guys organize and figure out your strategy. Is

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>anyone helping to pay your expenses, for example, to go

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>to the march on Washington. We've gotten a lot of

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>support from all over, but most of this has been

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>student driven, and we're gonna we want to keep it

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>student driven because it's our voices that matter. I think

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that's actually very interesting. The girls I met also said

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>they don't want this to turn into a corporate event.

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>They don't want branding from companies. They want to keep

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it as pure as possible. We want to keep our

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>emotions because that's what's gotten us this far. It's the

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>students voicing their emotions. Their feelings are experiences. This is

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>something that we've lived through. This is not something everybody understands,

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's also something that we want to make sure

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that nobody ever has to live through this again. I

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>don't think anybody should be happy that they had a

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>second chance at life after a gunman came to their school.

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, as Brian mentioned, you describe yourself as a happy,

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>go lucky person, and I'm just curious as we close here, Ali,

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>how this has changed you as a person. Would you

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>still describe yourself that way? Or has something changed deep

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>inside of you and even your outlook on life and

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>even perhaps what you want to do um as as

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you get older and go out in the world. It

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>hasn't really changed what I want to do. I've been

0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>set on becoming a doctor since I was ten um

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that's something that I can be

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>swayed from. But it's definitely changed my point of view

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>on who will listen. Because before, when everything else happened,

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I'd see it on the news, I'd send my thoughts

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.239
<v Speaker 1>and prayers, and I'd be I'd say to myself, I

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>can't do anything. I'm a kid. I can't change adults minds.

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>They won't listen to us. They're still not listening. Not

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>all of them are listening to us, but we're trying

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>our best. A lot of us are. Yeah, um, a

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>few are still a little bit stubborn on how kids

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can know so much information. But something I want to

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>say about that is that we are students and we

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>know that when you don't study, you fail your test.

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>This is our test now, despite for change is our

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>test now. And trust me when I say this. We've

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>been up until four or five o'clock in the morning

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>researching our laws, looking up our legislator is seeing how

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>much money is donated, where the money is going and

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>coming from. Because we want to make sure that we

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>know what we're talking about, Because we want to make

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>sure that we have the answers to the questions that

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>people ask us, because that's the most important thing I

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>know your mom's with you in the studio, and we

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to have this conversation be the three of us,

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>but I imagine she must be incredibly proud of you

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that you are stepping into this arena,

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>which isn't easy because I'm sure all those negative tweets

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and all those that negativity on social media is something

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you really never get used to. But I imagine your

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>parents have been incredibly supportive and are incredibly proud. They're

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the most supportive people ever. Well, I think you're going

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to go on and do great things. I think you're

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>going to be a wonderful doctor, but also just a

0:31:56.120 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>wonderful citizen because you're willing to get out there, use

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>your voice, and collaborate and unite with people who want

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to see change in the world. And I just wish

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you all the best and so much luck, not only

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in this fight but in your life. And uh and

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>we both Brian and I and everyone involved in this

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>podcast really appreciate you talking to the us about this today.

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I know it's not easy, but you know, it's incredibly

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>moving to hear you talk about what happened and where

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you go from here. So thank you, Ali, thank you

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>for having me. Wow, that was a very intense conversation,

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and for me a very I don't know, Brian, I

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>know you said you thought I was moved. I was

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>very moved. And I don't know if you can see

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>behind my glasses, but I was actually tearing up with

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>both sadness for Ali and her classmates in the community,

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>but also tearing up because I was so inspired by

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the work she's doing and how she has transformed into

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>this incredible activist. Yeah, she's with such humility too, you know.

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I was also struck by her when she said, we're

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>students and we know that you have to study or

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you fail the test, and this is our test. I

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. That was so profound to me. It was,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and I feel terrible that she's having to go through this,

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>that she can't just focus on being a kid in

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>her senior year of high school and thinking about her

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>college roommate. But she's trying to turn this tragedy into

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a teaching moment for the country, and she is nothing

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>if not incredibly inspiring, a great example, you know. But

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also a few days after this happened,

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>my daughter, who's in college, said I'm so scared, Mom,

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a shooting here. So you can

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>imagine kind of the anxiety level for kids everywhere when

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>something like this happens. And that's why I think something's

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>got to be done. So speaking of that, UM, next

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>up is there a conversation with Shannon Wats, the founder

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of Mom's Demand Action, and we're going to talk about

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the policy response to shootings like Parkland, what should happen

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:14.240
<v Speaker 1>not just in Washington but all over the country. Shannon

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Watts High, Shannon, I'm so happy to have you on

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>our podcast. Thanks so much for taking the time. Thank you, Katie,

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>thank you for having me on. Why don't you remind

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>people who may not know how Mom's Demand Action began,

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>why it began, and where it began. I was watching

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the news December two thousand twelve and saw this just

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>tragic news that there had been a school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut,

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and I remember I was folding laundry at the time

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and just thought, dear God, don't let this be as

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>bad as it seems. And you know, obviously it was.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>It was a million times worse than anyone could ever

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>have fathom, ever fathom, and as a mom of five.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>That is how this issue impacted me. You know, when

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty six year olds and six educators can be shot

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and killed in the sanctity of an elementary school. UM,

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I just felt that it was finally time for me

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>to get off the sidelines, specifically as a mom, and

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>so I started a Facebook page and I had seventy

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>five friends at the time, seventy five Facebook friends. I

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>was no social media phenomen but what happened through the

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 1>power of social media was that suddenly I was inundated

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>by strangers across the country who wanted to start a chapter.

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't even realized I had started an organization, and

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 1>suddenly people wanted to start chapters of Mom's Demand Action

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>where they lived, and we were often running. And here

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>we are five years later. UM we're one of the

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>largest grassroots movements in the country. We have a chapter

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>in every state, We have millions of supporters, and since Parkland,

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we have hundreds of thousands of active volunteers.

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>What was the action you were demanding at the outset?

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't know much about organizing. UM. I

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>was not politically active, and I really thought, okay, we

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>needed to have a big march, not realizing that there

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 1>had been this million mom march after Columbine in two

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand and very quickly, a lot of wonderful policy experts

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and members of Congress and even state lawmakers came to

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>me and said, you know, what we really need is

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>for women in particular to organize around this issue, to

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>become a grassroots army that can kill bad bills and

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>support good bills and change corporate policy. Um and and

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what we've done. Let's talk about that because

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.959
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, sometimes these grassroots movements take root

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and take hold, and yet people don't hear about everything

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that's been accomplished. And by the way, I think this

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is such a great example of the power of social

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>media for for good. You were able to create something

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>just through your virtual relationships with all these like minded people.

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>So Shannon, five years later, tell us about some of

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>the things that you've been able to do. So we

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>had a call from the White House just a few

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>weeks after we started, and they asked us to support

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>what was called the Mansion to Me Bill, and that

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:09.879
<v Speaker 1>is a bill that would have closed a private sale

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>loophole at a federal level in this country. And so

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what we focused on the first few months. Um,

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>we all know that in April that bill failed by

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>just a handful of votes in the Senate, and I

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>really thought, Okay, well, we've we've done everything we could. Hear,

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it's time to pack up our our

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 1>things and go home. Can you explain what the private

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 1>sale loophole actually is? Absolutely so in this country, if

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you buy a gun from a licensed dealer, for example,

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>at Walmart or any dealer who has a license to

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>sell guns, you do have to have a background check.

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>You do not have to have a background check if

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>it is a private sale, and those are typically at

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>gun shows or online or even in some states garage

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>sales um and millions of guns are sold every year

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>that way. And that is how dangerous people get ahold

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>of guns very easily, domestic abusers and felons. I read

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I read a statistic just yesterday, Shannon that four two

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>percent of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>without a background check. So this is happening all the time. Well,

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>when the when the Brady Bill was passed in the nineties,

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>no one ever imagined there would be this online market

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>for guns. I know, it's crazy, isn't it. I mean,

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>so many people and there's absolutely no regulation at all. Right,

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>so we failed just by a handful of votes in

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the Senate um in April two thirteen, and and again,

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't know what would happen to Mom's

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>demand action at that point. What I didn't realize is

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.479
<v Speaker 1>that when you're working with so many type of women,

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>there's really no going backward. There's going forward exactly. So

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, really our volunteers just intuitively pivoted to state

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>houses and boardrooms, where we immediately began supporting governors who

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 1>would pass this kind of legislation. In the wake of

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Hook. We did it in Delaware and Maryland and

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>other states. Actually, we've closed that private sale loople in

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>eight states and Sandy Hook, bringing the total of states

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that have done that to nineteen. And we also have

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to kill bad bills in states. We have about a

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>ninety three percent track record of killing n r A

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>supported bad bills like guns and schools or guns on

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>college campuses, permitless carry, and we have to show up

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to do that in state houses year after year. And

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>we also pivoted to corporations, and we have made significant

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>changes in corporate policy. And since we started, everything from

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Starbucks to Chipotle to Target, and then since Parkland, nearly

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty companies have changed their gun policies. We'll talk about

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>those companies, or you don't have to talk about all twenty,

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>but a few of them and why it was so significant.

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, when lawmakers don't act to protect their constituents,

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 1>it really is on companies to protect their customers. And

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>it's also a really important lever that women can pull.

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.320
<v Speaker 1>We make about eight percent of the spending decisions for

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>our families, and so what we initially started doing was

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>asking companies to prohibit something called open carry, which is

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>legal and forty five states. Um. It used to be

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that you could bring your our fifteen into Starbucks when

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got a latte in those states. You can't anymore

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 1>because of our work. But what we saw after Parkland

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>that was so interesting was that companies were stopping their

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>discount programs with the n r A. And also we

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>have seen companies raise the age of which you can

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>buy a long gun. So many states allow you to

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>buy a semi automatic rifle when you're eighteen years old.

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Even though you can't buy a handgun until you're twenty one.

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>You can't drink, can't even rent a car, but you

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>can buy an a R fifteen. And we've seen several

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>companies l being Dicks Orvis Company and others change that

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>age to twenty one and again acting when lawmakers won't so.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>In Florida, in the wake of Parkland, legislation was passed

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and signed that did raise the age with some loopholes,

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to twenty one for buying guns, but not for semi

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>automatic weapons. Right, can you explain to a sham what

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>happened in Florida and whether you supported that legislation. We

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you overwhelmingly that was really positive legislation. So it puts

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in place a red flag law. These laws are very important.

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 1>We actually passed one in California after the shooting at

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>UCSB and it allows families and police to petition a

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>judge to get a temporary restraining order to remove the

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>firearms of someone who seems to be a danger to

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 1>themselves or others. It also raises the age that someone

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 1>can buy a long gun from eighteen to twenty one,

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and a long gun is anything from a hunting rifle

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to a semi automatic rifle, and it puts in place

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>just some safety mechanisms that we know are proven to

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to prevent gun violence. It does allow districts to arm

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.280
<v Speaker 1>administrative staff if they choose to do so. And because

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 1>we have a grassroots army on the ground, we can

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 1>now go district by district and and convince them not to.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Why why is that so important? Because you know, I

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>think people do hear this and some people just go

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy with the idea of teachers being armed. On the

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>other hands, some people think, well, maybe it does make

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>sense to have a stronger security or show of security

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and somebody who is trained to be standing guard at

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>some of these schools. So can you help us make

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>sense of that? Shannon? Absolutely. So. You know, first of all,

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we're not opposed to armed guards at schools who do

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 1>have training and background checks. However, we have seen time

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and time again everything from colum Mined to the Pulse

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>nightclub to Parkland, that even when there is an armed

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 1>deputy on site, it doesn't necessarily stop someone who is

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>perfectly willing to give up their lives as they commit

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:40.839
<v Speaker 1>mass homicide and often have an arsenal bulk Ammo even

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>tactical gear, you know, which is no match necessarily for

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a deputy. But also I want to point out that

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>even the most highly trained police have about eight rate

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of accuracy when shooting a moving target. So the idea

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that we are going to arm these volunteer teachers and

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>turn them into sharpshooters is absurd. You know that the

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>answer is not arming teachers, it's disarming dangerous people. Well,

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you know that's the n r A chestnut. The best

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.959
<v Speaker 1>way to deal with a bad guy with a gun

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>is a good guy with a gun. And I think

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the research and the evidence really disproves that time and

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>time again does and also, look, this shooter in Parkland

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was essentially a good guy in the n r a's

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>mind until he shot and killed seventeen people. This was

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old who had legally purchased an Arsenal

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>bulk Ammo tactical gear. He had never been convicted of

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a crime, he had never been adjudicated mentally ill. That

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is the definition of an nar A good guy, you know, Shannon,

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:42.240
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people knew this perpetrator in Parkland seemed

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 1>to be bad news. Right. People had seen him practicing

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>with guns in his backyard. I don't know all the details,

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but had observed disturbing behavior on Instagram and all sorts

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of places that would have raised a red flag, reported

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>him to the FBI, right exactly. So, I guess the

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 1>question is, with these red flag laws, how do you

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.399
<v Speaker 1>enforce them and how do you ensure that people if

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>they see something, they say something. It's really important that

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that last point you made about when you see something,

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>say something. I mean, we have this law, for example

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in California now because when the UCSB shooting happened, uh,

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 1>the parents had gone to the police many times and said, look,

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>our son is armed and dangerous, and they said, there's

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>nothing we can do. He's never been convicted of a crime,

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.760
<v Speaker 1>he's never been adjudicated mentally ill. We cannot remove his weapons.

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>And so now our job in California is to educate

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 1>people about this law and to let them know they

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>can take advantage of it. Right that police and families

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>can petition a judge and get a temporary restraining order

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to move remove someone's guns if they seem to be

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:46.399
<v Speaker 1>a danger to themselves or others. And if Florida had

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>had that law, it would have made it a lot

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>easier to intervene and to really understand what this teenager

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 1>was planning. But I guess the n r A goes

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>nuts over that. The opposes that that people who are

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>law abiding said is and suddenly they will figuratively be

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:06.359
<v Speaker 1>in the crosshairs of the authorities and their guns will

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>be taken away. Is that right the n r A. Look,

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this for five years. The n RA

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>opposes every single law that is proven by data to

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.959
<v Speaker 1>slow gun violence. And it isn't necessarily because they really

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.959
<v Speaker 1>disagree with the law. It's because they believe any law,

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>no matter how small, no matter how incremental, is a

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>slippery slope to confiscation, or at least that's what they

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>tell their members. Well, let's talk about the power of

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.919
<v Speaker 1>the n r A and where it actually comes from,

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>because I think there are a lot of misunderstandings that

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, millions of law abiding members the n r

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>A chip in small dollars and that's where they get

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>their political punch. But really the story is different from that.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. The n RA could have zero members and

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>still be a political powerhouse because they receive a majority

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of the million dollar annual budget they have from gun manufacturers. UM,

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.359
<v Speaker 1>this idea that they have five million members has been

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>proven to be a myth by reporters. So many of

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>those people are dead or they just joined for the discounts. UM.

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I can assure you that when we show up at

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>state houses, it's typically dozens or hundreds of moms to

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>be an action volunteers versus one nr A lobbyist, for

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.799
<v Speaker 1>example in Florida. UM. This this is not about the

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>n r A being powerful because they have millions of

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>motivated members. It's because they have millions of dollars from

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>gun manufacturers. One thing we should point out is n

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>r A members actually believe in sensible gun laws and

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 1>believe that they should change. Is that right, Channon, that's right.

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>So a Republican poster found that sev of all n

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>r A members actually support common sense gun laws like

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>closing the background check loophole. And also it's important to

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:45.919
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind that only about one out of every

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>nine or ten gun owners actually even belongs to the

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>n r A, and when you pull gun owners more generally,

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 1>about eight of them support stronger gun laws. So this

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.080
<v Speaker 1>is really about a radicalized n r A leadership. It

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>is not in any way into not only with America,

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>but even its own members. In fact, when we did

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that film Under the Gun and you were featured in it,

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>shann and so many people who are gun owners said,

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for doing this movie, because you

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>are expressing the views of most gun owners in this

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>country that have been silenced or who really don't have

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>a voice in this entire debate. But tell us more

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>about the unholy alliance between gun manufacturers and the n

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>r A and how that works and why that's so important,

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and understanding how the n r A operates. So the

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>n r A is basically just a lobbying organization that

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>solely exists at this point to protect the profits of

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>gun manufacturers. You know, back in the seventies, it used

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to be hunting and sportsmen's organization focused on gun safety

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and training. That all went out the window about two

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>or three decades ago when what happened was gun manufacturers

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 1>started selling more guns to fewer people. And that's an

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.479
<v Speaker 1>aging out demographic, typically a white man over the age

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of fifty or sixty, and so when they realized that

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>they needed to open up the market for guns, sales

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 1>is when all of their sort of moderate beliefs, and

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in fact, in Wayne la Pierre said he didn't support

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>guns in schools and and he supported a background check

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.799
<v Speaker 1>over every gun sale, those moderate beliefs have gone out

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the window. They became much more radicalized because in order

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to inculcate the next generation of gun buyers, they have

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to force guns into K through twelve schools, They have

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 1>to put guns on college campuses, they have to sell

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 1>guns to women. And so what we've seen is that

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 1>because they no longer have a boogeyman in the White

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 1>House to say this person is going to take your

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>guns away, they have to make us afraid of one another.

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And we're seeing that more and more. If you have

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the misfortune of watching n R A t V, you

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.839
<v Speaker 1>will see that their whole purposes to foment this culture war.

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:01.400
<v Speaker 1>And and isn't it also giving sort of fancier souped

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>up guns with more bells and whistles to get people

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 1>who currently already own guns to buy more guns. Well,

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the terry is convinced this subset of people it sells

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.279
<v Speaker 1>guns too, that they need an arsenal, they need, you know,

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 1>ten A R fifteens. They need six glocks and and

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that's actually the biggest problem for the organization is that

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>they need to open up that market of gun sales.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 1>In fact, since Donald Trump was elected president, gun sales

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.280
<v Speaker 1>have gone down ten or over a hundred million dollars.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's why, for example, we see the n r

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.919
<v Speaker 1>A trying to deregulate silencers because they can't convince someone

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 1>to buy another gun necessarily, but they can convince them

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to buy accessories. So let's talk about whether anything is

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 1>actually going to change at the federal level in the

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 1>wake of the Parkland shooting. Is their hope for legislation

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.959
<v Speaker 1>that could make a meaningful difference? Uh? You know, look,

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I I understand that everybody would like this cathartic moment

0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 1>in Congress. I would too, But the wins that we're

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.680
<v Speaker 1>looking for may come in the state houses, they may

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>become in corporate boardrooms until we get a Congress and

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the president in place who will do the right thing. Um.

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, the President came out after saying one thing

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>about what he promised at a federal level, he's now

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>backtracking and just sort of putting forth a plan that

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 1>was clearly written by the n r A, and these

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>incremental changes that he's talking about um really do nothing

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to solve our gun violence problem. That is why our

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 1>organization is so incredibly focused on the midterm elections. If

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.320
<v Speaker 1>we really want to send a strong signal to to

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 1>our members of Congress and to our state houses, we

0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 1>have to use our votes in the November elections, and

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>we have to be educated about where our candidates and

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>lawmakers stand on this issue, and we have to vote accordingly.

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>We've seen this movie before, terrible school shooting, you know,

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the nation grieving and then forgetting, and everyone seems to

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>think Shannon for whatever reason. Actually, I'd like to ask

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you if you think this why Parkland is different? These

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>kids are different. That's not saying anything about the beautiful

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.719
<v Speaker 1>lives that were lost in tragedies like this in this country.

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 1>But for some reason, in this time, with these voices,

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 1>something's going to change. Do you agree with that? I do,

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and I think it already has changed. I mean, we

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>have nearly two hundred thousand new volunteers and millions of

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.880
<v Speaker 1>new members who have joined us just since Parkland. We

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>actually started something called Students Demand Action, and nearly twenty

0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.240
<v Speaker 1>thou people have joined that we are seeing a change

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>like we've never seen before. And I think that's for

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.839
<v Speaker 1>a few reasons. One is that we saw not only

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the survivors, but also the entire community of Parkland come

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>together after the shooting with one clear call to action

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>within hours, and that call to action was that we

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.920
<v Speaker 1>needed stronger gun loss. And look, that may be because

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of all the work that we've been doing for five

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>years to educate people about the tissue. It may be

0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.840
<v Speaker 1>because people are so tired of mass shootings in this country.

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the largest mass shooting in the history of

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 1>our country in Las Vegas, happened on President Trump's watch. Um.

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:13.320
<v Speaker 1>But I also think that we are starting to see

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 1>this generation lockdown become adults. So for the last eighteen

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 1>years or so, we've been telling these kids, look, active

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.320
<v Speaker 1>shooter drills are no different than fire drills or earthquake drills.

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.720
<v Speaker 1>These are acts of nature, essentially, and they're becoming adults

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.439
<v Speaker 1>like my seventeen year old son, and they're realizing they've

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 1>been sold a bill of goods. These are acts of cowardice.

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.799
<v Speaker 1>This is the complete inaction of our lawmakers to protect them.

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think they're really angry. And the the argument

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 1>or the trope used by the n r A and

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Republicans in Washington is this is really

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a mental health issue. This isn't a gun issue. What's

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>your reaction to that? There are a few things to

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 1>say about that. And that is definitely a straw man

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that you see Republicans break out every time there's a

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 1>mass shooting or her fixed shooting tragedy in this country.

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 1>It's so infuriating, isn't it. It is an And here's why.

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 1>First of all, it stigmatizes mental illness. You know, we

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.319
<v Speaker 1>we're hearing nr A pundits and and Donald Trump say

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 1>things like they were sickos. Look, people who are mentally

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 1>ill are much more likely to be a victim a

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:15.240
<v Speaker 1>violent crime than they are to be the perpetrator. But also,

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>if the issue of the mentally ill having guns was

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<v Speaker 1>so important to this president UH and this Congress, they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have made the very first action they took to

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<v Speaker 1>roll back an Obama rule that prevented UH social Security

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<v Speaker 1>recipients who were too mentally ill to handle their benefits

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<v Speaker 1>from buying guns. That was the first thing Donald Trump

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 1>did was to roll back that role so none of

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it rings true. You know, we've seen them point fingers

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that everything from mental illness to video games to even

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>single parents since Parkland, all of that is to distract

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<v Speaker 1>us from what is the truth, and it's easy access

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<v Speaker 1>to guns. Well, and the reality is in other countries,

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.799
<v Speaker 1>there's mental illness, there are violent video games and their

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>single parents, and no other country has the mass shooting

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 1>problem that we have in this country. That is exactly right.

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 1>We have the same rates of mental illnesses other high

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<v Speaker 1>income countries. We watched the same movies, we play the

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>same video games. What's different is that we have easy

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<v Speaker 1>access to guns. We have three million guns and very

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>few gun laws. Let's talk about sort of what really works, Shannon, though.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one step is obviously closing the gun show

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 1>loophole and private sellers and online with background checks. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is just the tip of the iceberg, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because even with among licensed gun dealers, the records are

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<v Speaker 1>not really updated or up to speed. There is an

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<v Speaker 1>evidence when somebody with a record of domestic violence and

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<v Speaker 1>mental health issues, are the proper red flags raised. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what are some of the other areas that need attention

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>from people who want to do something about this. Katie.

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 1>One thing I always recommend to people is that they

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<v Speaker 1>watched Under the Gun, because I think you all did

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing job of digging into the complexities of this

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<v Speaker 1>issue and what needs to be fixed. But we you

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<v Speaker 1>know that closing the background check loophole would save a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lives. If you look at the nineteen states

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<v Speaker 1>that have done that, you see gun violence cut almost

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<v Speaker 1>in half across the board. So that is the first

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 1>thing that we need to do. But a lot of

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 1>people don't realize that. Also, Um, there are glaring loopholes.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in domestic violence laws, they don't include stalkers

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<v Speaker 1>or dating partners as prohibited purchasers. So we have to

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<v Speaker 1>go into each state and change those laws to give

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<v Speaker 1>them teeth. We've done it now in twenty five states,

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:32.440
<v Speaker 1>red and blue across the country. UM. We also, as

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, go into states and pass laws that bolster

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the NIXT system, the system that we put information records into.

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Two show who is a prohibited buyer and Y. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, another really interesting thing that people don't realize

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is that if you do go to a license dealer

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<v Speaker 1>and try to buy a gun and you're flagged as

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<v Speaker 1>a prohibited purchaser that isn't necessarily reported to the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a huge red flag. So we work to

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<v Speaker 1>change those laws as well. But don't forget that. All

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<v Speaker 1>while we're doing these things, the n r A is

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<v Speaker 1>working really hard to pass laws that endanger us. So

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<v Speaker 1>in thirteen states, for example, the n r A has

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<v Speaker 1>passed permitless carry laws, which means you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a background check or training or even a permit

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to carry a gun to conceal carry a gun in

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.879
<v Speaker 1>that state. So while we're trying to pass these good laws,

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 1>we also have to stop these bad laws. And there's

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a recent law about interest state. If you have a

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<v Speaker 1>concealed carry permit in one state, you can use it

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:33.240
<v Speaker 1>when you go to another state that I know Cyrus

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Fancy is fighting against what happened with that. So this

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 1>bill is actually winding its way through Congress still. And

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>after every mass shooting, including Parkland, you hear the n

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<v Speaker 1>r A and the President suggests that somehow something called

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>concealed carry reciprocity would would help our gun violent situation.

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.439
<v Speaker 1>The n Y has been trying to pass concealed carrey

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<v Speaker 1>reciprocity for nearly twenty years. They have failed every time

0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>because doesn't mean exactly explain it to our listeners, Shannon's

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 1>So basically what would happen is the weakest law of

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the land to get a gun permit would become the

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 1>law of the land everywhere. So, for example, to get

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a gun permit in Alabama, you do not have to

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>be eighteen, you can have a background of of convicted violence,

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you can have d u wise, you don't have to

0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 1>have live fire training. It's one of the weakest permit

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:26.200
<v Speaker 1>requirements in the country. Under concealed caree reciprocity, you could

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>then take that permit and your gun into any state

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of the country, no matter how strong their gun laws are.

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's really uh behind the scenes way to upend

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>state laws. Can you just before we go, because we're

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>going to have to wrap Unfortunately, Shannon, I could talk

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to you about this all day. Urban violence is such

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. So many black kids are killed by gun

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<v Speaker 1>violence on the streets of cities across the country every day,

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and there is this feeling that when white children are

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 1>white victims are in the news, it gets so much

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:03.240
<v Speaker 1>more attention. And this daily drip drip drip of wrath,

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of of shootings that you see on the streets of

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 1>these cities. What can be done about urban violence and

0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 1>all the kids of color that are killed regularly in

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 1>cities like Chicago. Look, this is a very big and

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>complicated issue, and there are a lot of different ways

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that we can address gun violence. You know, our organization

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 1>is focused mainly on changing gun laws. And when we

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>look at laws like closing the background check loophole, we

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>know that that significantly reduces gun trafficking, for example. And

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.360
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about Chicago, the majority of the crime

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.160
<v Speaker 1>guns that are in Chicago actually come from Indiana, which

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>is just twenty minutes away from Chicago. You can go

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>across the border, fill up your truck with semi automatic

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>rifles and handguns with no background check, drive back twenty

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>minutes and sell them um And so we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that bad Apple gun dealers, by the way, so dozen

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of guns to somebody who then sells them on the

0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>streets of Chicago, and there's nothing prohibiting them from doing so.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually a bill that just passed the Illinois legislature.

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<v Speaker 1>We're hoping the governor will sign it into law. Um,

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 1>we're putting pressure on him to do so, and it

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:17.680
<v Speaker 1>would actually address that issue. It would require those gun

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 1>dealers themselves to have background checks. Well, obviously you're making

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.000
<v Speaker 1>some strides and you're going to be part of this march.

0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I will be in Washington, d C. Supporting

0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the students and just hoping that this momentum will take

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 1>us into the midterms. Well, Shannon Watts, thank you so

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>much for talking with us. As always, Shannon, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to personally say congratulations to your army of moms

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and allies who are out there fighting the good fight,

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 1>donating their time and energy and dollars two really ushering

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 1>in some kind of change in this country. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Thank you as always to our lovely producer,

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