WEBVTT - Washington State Patrol 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.719 It's it could happen here, the podcast that occasionally has 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:15.560 ads from Washington State Highway Patrol. On a completely unrelated note, Garrison, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.400 you want to talk about the Washington State Highway Patrol today? 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.160 I sure would love to talk about our our good 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.600 friends at the Washington State Patrol Um. Because yeah, they 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.280 just they've've they've come up on my radar and in 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.159 an unrelated matter, and now we're gonna talking about So 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.240 now we're talking about them. Yeah. So this is the 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.319 show about things falling apart and kind of part of 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:43.000 societal and political stuff kind of crumbling. Usually that gets 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.440 related to some type of law enforcement agency more often 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.680 than not. And uh, in terms of like tensions rising 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.200 in stuff, there's a lot of you know, force gets 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.280 force gets exerted via law enforcement, and uh one such 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.280 law enforcement Yeah, well, and one such agency that does 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:04.040 this is called the Washington State Patrol UM. So they 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.280 were I I don't know, I I just discovered them recently. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:13.320 Uh So they were founded exactly one hundred years ago, um, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.600 and they were originally called the Washington State Highway Patrol Um. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.679 Now they're just the Washington State Patrol. They were moved 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.039 highway but they still do the same thing. They're basically 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:27.240 glorified traffic cops, um, who operate all around all around 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.880 Washington State. UM. And we're gonna talk about some of 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.600 the ways that they've been making things worse within the 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.640 past decade. UM. I'm since they have a one hundred 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.920 year history, I'm sure we can find lots of historical examples. UM. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.160 But we're we're gonna we're gonna do stuff that's more 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.040 that is more recent, because this is, you know, generally 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.120 trying to keep things around the current, the current crumbling. Um. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.240 And because we're gonna talk about police, the first the 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.040 first thing we're gonna be discussing, oddly enough, is a 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:05.800 racism because I know, um, when you think of Washington 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.000 State Patrol, that's you know, it's it's kind of shocking 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.400 that they might have a race issue. UM. So anyway, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.000 twelve years ago, researchers working with working with Washington State 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.720 Patrol found that troopers were searching drivers from minority communities, 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.760 particularly um local Native American tribes, at a much higher 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.080 rate than than white people. And they recommend an additional study, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.880 which the Washington State Patrol declined to uh to investigate further, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:41.040 they they're like no, um, no, no more studies. So meanwhile, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.760 since then, the troopers have continued to continue to search 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.440 Native Americans at a at a rate much higher more 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.560 than five times than that of of of white people 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:54.000 in the area. Yeah. So but there are five times 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.560 as the popular there. There's five times as many Indigenous 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:03.560 people in Washington as white people right there, there's noth Yeah. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:08.320 So an analysis by Investigate West showed that the Patrol 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.760 continued to do searches at a much elevated rates for 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:17.880 for black people, Latino Pacific Islanders, and Natives within Washington State. Um. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:22.600 And yet when when troopers did decide to search white motorists, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.520 they were more likely to find drugs in contraband. UM. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.880 Which is something to Washington State Patrol actually acknowledges is 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.040 that when they search people of minority communities, they are 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.760 less likely to find to find illegal things. Yeah. I 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:43.200 mean that's yeah nationwide and very very robust data. So UM, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:49.200 government records obtained via like information requests and various other 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.920 you know of public records searches UM also show that 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.960 there there there is a state law that Washington State 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.280 Patrol is supposed to collect and report semiannually to the 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.040 Criminal Justice Training Commission in Washington. UM about you know, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.680 race and ethnicity data of motorists is stopped by troopers. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.160 But uh so this is supposed is supposed to happen 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.680 semi annually. But the agency report of those findings only 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.400 three times in the past fifteen years, which isn't sounds 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.680 kind of like the Portland police were not doing the 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.159 things that federally they're supposed to do because they're so violent. Yeah, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.560 so being out of compliance with a bunch of federal 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.800 rags three three times, three times in fifteen years is 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.240 not semi annually. Based on what I know, the term 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:39.720 semi annually to semi decade. So yeah. Um, based on 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.599 responses for over thirty public records requests UM from from 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.800 three different agencies looking looking at Washington State Patrol and 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.000 more than like fifty interviews with current and formal law 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.599 enforcement officials and people with experience interacting with Washington State 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.840 Patrol UM and also data from millions of traffic stops. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.920 All this was looked at in total, examined about eight 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.600 million traffic stops from two US and nine tow US 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.320 in fifteen. This is what investigate West was doing. UM, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.680 which was which was the most recent data available, and 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.960 the analysis found that, uh, it focused on incidents of 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.520 what researchers called like high discretion searches. That's when troopers 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.360 had the most like personal leeway to decide whether or 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.400 not to pull over and search a vehicle. UM. Black 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.680 drivers were twice as likely to be searched as white drivers, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.800 and Latino specific calendars were eight percent more likely to 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.680 be searched. Of of these incidents where officers had discretion 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.360 and like they could choose whether or not to pull 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.680 someone over. UM, So it wasn't like it wasn't like 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.920 they were like obviously speeding or doing you know, like 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.880 like you know like like regular like actually observable traffic violations. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.720 This is when like people could choose when they investigate West. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.840 Thing got published, they contact Washingt State Patrol and the 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:51.040 spokesperson said that, uh, here's here's here's the quote that 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.680 the race race was not the only factor when troopers 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.359 decide whom to search, and that's partially because blacks, Native 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.680 Americans and Latinos are more like more more likely to 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.000 be regardless of how much discretion troopers have, which that 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.920 doesn't really make very much sense. Um, I don't know 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.520 what the person, I don't know what they mean is 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:19.559 they're more likely to regardless what, who is that bad 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.880 checking the copy? Which is weird because later on the 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:29.800 spokesperson said that, Um, same guy, we're in the basically 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.719 we're agrees that we're in a basic agreement that minorities 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.360 are searched at higher rates, but we find less contraband 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:41.839 so um. And he also he also noted that complaints 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.240 about like a racial bias encounted for little more than 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.440 ten percent of all complaints of the state patrol filed 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.440 last year. So I guess he thinks that's a good 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.640 He thinks that's a good stat Yeah, he's proud of that. Yeah. Um. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.840 And another kind of uh, not great thing is that uh. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.479 The analysis found that not only are Native Americans more 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.120 likely to be searched, but all of the most of 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.440 those searches happen always that like the edges of reservations UM. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.480 The analysis found that the two highest concentration of searches 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.320 of Native Americans by state troopers are on the US 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:23.520 nineties seven, where it encounters um A reservation at ol 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.760 Mac about about a mile from its intersection at a 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.120 state wrote one fifty five, which is and more than 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.400 one thirty miles south of of the same when the 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.280 same highway enters another reservation. So nearly one third of 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.440 high discretions of high discretion searches, so when troopers can 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.000 decide whether or not to pull someone over like like 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.920 they they they have more discretion whether they can. So 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.840 one third of those happened on these two stretches of 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.200 highway right on the edges of these reservations, like they're 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.760 patrolling outside these reservations to specifically do this. Um there 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.360 was I I saw an interview on this topic that 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.920 we've talked that talked to to Native Americans in this 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.240 area and they're like, yeah, every time we leave the reservation, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.200 we get pulled over. But then we watched tons of 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.320 white motorists go by and no one cares, like and 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.040 like and they're like you're doing like they're just speeding by, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.000 it doesn't matter. Um. So yeah, that is that is 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:22.040 the first first you know, unsurprising tidbit about uh. Some 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.640 an organization who started as a highway patrol is, yeah, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.680 they're gonna pull people over who are not white more 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:33.800 often that is that's pretty not not super shocky. Yeah, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.640 and then makes a public statement like l o O 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.640 yeah yeah that that does. That does sound a lot 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:45.839 like with the Washington State Patrol. Uh sounds like, um, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.680 so we're gonna so that that was That was the 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.360 first obvious thing. Uh. This next part is a little 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.760 bit more fun. Um. So in in in two thousand nine, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.480 the Washington State Patrol made made the decision to fire 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.760 eight troopers, which is you know, pretty pretty rare um 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.360 And the reason why they got fired is because they 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:12.439 used fake diplomas to claim pay raises. Yeah, so there 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.600 was there was this whole scheme about getting fake diplomas 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.760 to get the troopers more money, like like like individual 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.520 people that there's this whole, this whole operation going on. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.040 It resulted in the in in a in a people 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.720 getting fired. So troopers can can boost their pay about 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.280 two percent by earning a two a two year degree 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.760 or four percent with a four year degree. And there 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.000 was this group of of a troopers who just uh 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:45.040 started just forging diplomas see Garrison. This is a separate conversation. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.280 But they didn't need to forge diplomas. They could have 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.680 just become doctors of of of of magic, like that 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.960 is what I've tried to do religious PhD. Yeah, so 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.959 there's all sorts of fake diploma mills. Come on, washing 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:07.000 didn't State Highway Patrol. This is pretty funny. So so 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.800 the investigation began after federal agents shut down a diploma 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.920 mill in the Spokane. Criminal charges were not filed, but 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.880 the patrol to decide to fire these eight troopers. Yeah. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.319 So that is one of the more funny things we'll 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.439 be talking about today. And I think it's time for 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.520 an ad break um. Yeah, speaking of funny, here's these 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.520 ads that may or may not be the people we're 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:47.120 talking about. Rob No unrelated, unrelated. Uh we're back, which 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.319 is also unrelated. Yeah. Another thing that's putten pretty common 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.720 around police is that the past few years they generally 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.920 don't think COVID is really real, or that it is 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:05.960 the past few years. Now that Robert, we're less than 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.560 a month away from two. Yeah, I hate that. It's 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.360 like it's it's like it's almost two. Almost ten percent 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.160 of your entire life has been COVID. I'm not going 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.520 to think about math um. So generally they don't think 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.200 COVID is real, and also they think vaccines are the 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.960 mark of Satan or something. Well obviously they are. But yeah, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.680 so in in in mid October this this past October, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.960 Washingtons Tate Patrol announced that one hundred and twenty seven 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.360 of its employees lost their job after the state's COVID 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:43.320 nineteen vaccine mandate deadline of October eighteen. So, unlike the 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.280 Portland Police Bureau who who, the port who Port and 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.720 many other cities where city officials caved to the demands 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.960 of the police that vaccine mandates not be not be 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.360 extended towards police, uh, this did not happen in Washington 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.760 and they actually got it enforced. So over a hundred 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.640 uh Patrol employees quit quit their job, including a sixty 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.960 four commissioned officers. It was like six sixty seven troopers, 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:14.120 six sergeants, and one captain. Um. Yeah, so, you know, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:18.280 Washington State Patrol has about two thousand personnel within like 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:22.560 between like eight districts um, So losing like a hundred 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.920 and twenty seven of them is not a it's not 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.720 an insignificant loss. Um And it's it's been a it's 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.320 it has been been trying to hire a lot more 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.920 people in the in the past in the past like 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.440 a few months. Because of this, they've been they've been 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.320 trying to do a lot more recruitment, which is why 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.160 they're Um, I've heard from other people that they are 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.760 putting uh advertisements out on the internet to become a 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.360 Washington State trooper. This is something I've I've heard from 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.040 from people online when I've been doing all of this 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:57.079 uh deep deep, extensive research. So yeah, they are, they are, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.880 they are recruiting. Uh So, if you want to be 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.600 a Washington Patrol officer, don't don't. Actually that's a bad idea. Um, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.000 don't do that. Yeah, I mean us act you want 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.839 to like really funk with people who live on a reservation. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.600 If that's if that's your goal, it's Washington State Highway 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.400 Patrol is your your dream career? Or have another option 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.320 for you. You could also just get COVID and die. Well, yeah, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.520 that is an option. That's an option to thing I 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.440 think might be freedom is what makes this nation great. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:34.079 Uh So I think you know of the choice. Anyway, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.040 continue Harrison. I'm gonna send a picture inside our group 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.240 chat first because we're gonna were gonna be talking about 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.240 one one specific evil dude. Next, I'm setting a picture 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.480 in the group chat that I want you to look 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.480 at first, just so you get a sense of who 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.760 we're talking about. Oh, based, okay, I'm I'm excited. Yeah, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:59.360 all right. Hit Oh no, oh no, the boat I 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.480 really brings it all together. Oh no, you said bow tie, 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:08.120 which does not make me optimistic. And Robert, oh no, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.400 what is wrong with it? Who? Yeah? Who puts a 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.560 bow tie on a uniform? Like guys, I found a 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.160 better quality image. Um, good god, here we go, the 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.120 same image better He looks like Tucker Carlson and the 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.200 Starship Troopers universe when he gets drafted. So this is 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.120 the next guy we're talking about. Um, somehow feels like 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:34.000 I hate crime towards the Weasley family. So yeah, it 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.160 feels like a hate crime towards the guy based off 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.400 Tucker Carlson in Starship Troopers. So this would be a 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:46.000 big fan of ron Ron Weasley's family. This this is 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.520 this is Sean Carrum, a former Washington State Patrol a 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:57.760 sergeant um who resigned for reasons. We will discuss fun. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:03.680 That's exciting. Yeah yeah anyway. Um. So in two US 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.800 and fifteen and Associated Press investigation uncovered about a thousand 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.560 officers in the United States who lost their badges over 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.800 a six year period for sex crimes or misconduct such 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.760 as like, uh, this is this is a quote here, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.280 which I disagree with framing here, but this is this 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:22.520 is a quote propositioning citizens or having consensual but prohibited 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:27.920 on duty intercourse, which is uh, pretty bullshit way to 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:32.320 frame that because basically you're it's it's police raping people. Um, 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.760 and police officers being accused of like using their power 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.440 over people to rape them is extremely common. Yeah, and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.640 it's often just like, yeah, well the person said okay, 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.560 And it's like, well they said okay to a person 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.640 with a gun and the legal power to murder anyone 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.320 they want or put them into jail. Like like there's 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.480 a lot of stuf. Yeah, you know, I would argue 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.640 you can't consent uh to sex with a police officer 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.040 who's on duty and in uniform because it's they have 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.680 the power to murder or anybody want or who just 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.880 arrest you. Like, like it's a lot of stuff. So, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.920 like there was a studied at least a few years 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.360 ago that an analyzed data of like a five hundred 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.120 and fifty arrest cases from the years of two US 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.000 and five two US and seven. This is just two 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.280 years and UH and a four hundred officers employed by 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.920 like three D and twenty non non federal law enforcement 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:26.440 agencies located throughout a forty three states. Um AND findings 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.400 indicated that a police sexual misconduct includes a serious forms 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.280 of sex with related crimes, and the victims of sex 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.480 related crimes by police are typically younger than eighteen years old. UM. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.120 So it's it happens a lot with miners. So there's 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.640 a lot like like more like a ridiculously common like 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.520 if you if you google is which I honestly don't recommend, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.800 but you can find like dozens of stories coming out 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.960 like basically every like not you'll find at least one 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.600 new story every month of a kid getting raped by police. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.800 It happens pretty commonly. So over the past ten years, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.600 in the Washington State Patrol, they've investigated and confirmed four 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.919 cases of what they call sex on duty UM according 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.840 to the agency, and this is including including Shan Carr. Now, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.760 Sean Car's cases particularly sensitive for the agency because he 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.719 was married to the UH the daughter of the Washington 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.760 State Patrol Chief um and, and Shaun Carr was also 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.399 himself a sergeant, so he was connected to like the 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.320 big leagues at the Washington State Patrol. So Car met 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.479 a civilian woman who also works at Washington State Patrol 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.320 but as like you know, like has like an office job, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.520 so they isn't isn't a trooper. Um. They met in 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.840 twelve and struck up an online friendship, and a few 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.280 months later they both of them told investigators that the 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:56.480 relationship did turn sexual. UM. Car admitted to six sexual 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.640 encounters for the next like five years with the woman, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.520 of five of which happened when he was on duty 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.520 and like on state property or driving a vehicle or 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.320 while in uniform. UM. But the woman recalled as many 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.480 as as twenty and all but one of them were 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.359 when he was on duty and well. And so the 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.879 woman said that most of their encounters were were what 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.680 she would describe as consensual, but she described three incidents 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.040 where Car did pushed the boundary and she she she 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:28.080 has described being raped by him multiple times. UM, so 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.639 there was there was an incident. I think the first 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.600 one happened in the beginning of UH with inside his 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.240 patrol car in a church parking lot. UH. The woman 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.239 had recently started dating another man, and Carr wanted to 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.600 know who it was. When she wouldn't say so, he uh, 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.480 he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave bruises, and 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.560 the woman said that Car made her pick from two options, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.240 give up the name of the man or give car 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:59.880 oral sex. Um. Car later told investigators that he said 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.720 us in a quote joking context, Oh that's you know, 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.360 I was thinking, because that's almost exactly my my tight 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.000 five for my stand up set. I mean some some 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.040 comedians for some reason do like making jokes like that 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.360 and not not not great usually not great to normalize 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.080 that kind of thing. So um. The woman said that 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.679 she did like like s his his like commands and 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.320 she's which she said, we're like very much not done consent. Yeah, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.760 and she said it's very much not consensual. Um. She 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.160 She told investigators that he raped me on the side 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.399 of the road. Um. And if and if it was 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.320 anyone else besides Car, she she she she said she 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.240 would have called nine one one. Um. So the second 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.560 time happened when a car backed her into a corner 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.040 of a highway away station and forced her to have 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.520 sex with him. Um. She called it a coerced Car 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.680 said that consent was mutual. So despite the sexual assaults, 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.399 uh and and and like and you know and and 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.760 like assaults you know, like you know, grapping someone's army. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.560 Hard to believe a bruise, she said. The woman said 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.560 she kept in touch with Car because she was going 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.720 through a difficult time in her life and she needed 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.240 somebody to talk to. Complicated. That's yeah, that this is 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.040 even like people who are abusive can also be emotionally 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.760 supportive sometimes, Like that's one of the things about abuse 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.800 that says a real, real motherfucker. It's not simple. So yeah, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.800 Car Car may not have gotten in trouble had the 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.600 woman not confided in another patrol employee after she left 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.359 her job. UM. Then the other other patrol employee mentioned 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.440 the situation to someone higher up, triggering an investigation. UM. 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.320 And then in twenty nineteen, the woman formally reported Car 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.240 to uh TO to like the Patrol Office of Professional Standards. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.600 So records started that the patrol of pretty quickly confiscated cars, badge, 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.919 and gun and placed him on home assignment, where he 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:55.920 remained until he and he resigned voluntarily. UM. The patrol 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.760 gave gave the case to the Sheriff's office to investigate 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.280 because of the criminally chur of the allegations. So Car's 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.560 personal file includes other on job violations, including using a 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.879 taser on a drunk driving suspect. He was handcuffed, and 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.919 records show that in February, Car was accused of frequenting 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.919 a coffee stand and making unwanted advances on an employee 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.840 by waiting near her car until her shift ended, and 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:28.040 making derogatory comments about her boyfriend. Um, so she was 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.640 also stalking this barista. Is what it sounds like? Um? Yeah, yeah, 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:39.080 that's that is what that sounds like. Terrifying. So yeah, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.760 so Car after the woman told investigators that she was 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:49.520 raped after um, the the county sheriffs recommended hard to 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.080 be filed. But she wasn't willing to. Um, she wasn't 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.119 willing to testify. She did not want to. She did 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.760 not want to do that. Um. But but she she 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.320 didn't tell prosecutors that she did have one wish that 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.480 that Car again, the son in law of the state 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.920 patrol chief be be not not allowed to police again. 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:11.520 UM yeah, that's a pretty reasonable request. Car of obviously 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.720 denied all the accusations of non consensual sex and assault, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.359 but you know, it did admit to a to a 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.600 consensual sexual relationship on duty UM, as well as other 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:29.520 you know, like patrol regulation violations. UM. He he resigned 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.760 in July before the patrol could decide whether or not 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.760 to fire him UM and then the state went about 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.040 trying to strip him of his law enforcement certificasion requirement 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.359 to carry a gun and badge and be hired as 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:47.320 law enforcement in Washington. Getting de certified forms conduct by 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.000 the Criminal Justice Training Center in Washington is very hard. 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:57.160 Very few people have actually been decertified. Yeah, And to 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.360 to be certified, the panel must be a panel must 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.960 be convinced on duty behavior rose to the level of 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:08.480 official misconduct and constituted a crime committed under the color 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:12.240 of authority as a peace officer. That's the that's the 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.920 color of authorities an interesting way to phrase that. Cars 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.880 attorneys argued that the state failed to make to meet 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.800 this high bar and there was quote no legal basis 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.840 to decertified car. Meanwhile, the c j a t S 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.920 the Criminal Justice Training Center alleged his behavior did constitute 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:35.280 official misconduct and failure of duty, but without actually they 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.719 didn't actually include the sexual assault allegations. Instead, it contended 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.080 that he used state resources for his own benefit or 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.439 neglected to do his duties when he was engaged in 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.320 sexual activity on duty. So they didn't actually include sexual 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.520 assault or anything in this. They just said you were 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.840 basically like you were because you were doing because you 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.840 were having like sexual activity on duty, you weren't doing 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:02.960 your job and that's the reason that we want to 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.640 decertify you. Um. So, the date of Washington has about 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.879 eleven thousand certified officers at any given time UM and 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.520 since to us in three they've decertified like two hundred 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.159 and thirty and at least four of them for on 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.560 duty sex and one of those cases was overturned on 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:24.159 appeal um. But in one around mid May, the c 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.080 j TC in its final order said that Cars constituted 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:33.040 uh crimes of of failure of duty and official misconduct by, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.600 among other things, quote, intentionally choosing to pursue his own 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.520 sexual gratification rather than using his on duty time to 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.560 perform his lawful responsibilities as a peace officer. So he 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.919 he did get decertified, but again not actually discussing the 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:54.040