1
00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,440
Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha, I WoT this stuff.

2
00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,879
Speaker 2: I never told you production of My Heart Radio.

3
00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,959
Speaker 3: And it's time for another edition of Female First, which

4
00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,520
Speaker 3: means we are once again so happy to be joined

5
00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,080
Speaker 3: by the amazing, the adaptable.

6
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,320
Speaker 2: Welcome.

7
00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for you, well, thank you. That's high praise.

8
00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,879
Speaker 4: Honestly, yes, it makes me feel very human to call

9
00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,360
Speaker 4: me adaptable, though, so I feel like y'all are too,

10
00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,960
Speaker 4: for sure. But I'm like, oh, I'm in my full

11
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,279
Speaker 4: primitive human element. If I'm adaptable, you.

12
00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,960
Speaker 1: Know, well you.

13
00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,920
Speaker 3: Eves is currently podcasting from a car everyone, and I

14
00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,440
Speaker 3: won't even like go to the office because I'd have

15
00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 3: to unplug my work laptop and that's too.

16
00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,440
Speaker 2: Much for me.

17
00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:06,440
Speaker 5: Aftable in some ways, but in other ways, I'm like, no, yes, well, Eves,

18
00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,040
Speaker 5: do we know you've been up to some traveling, up

19
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:10,760
Speaker 5: to some stuff.

20
00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,480
Speaker 2: Can you tell us how have you been? What have

21
00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:13,959
Speaker 2: you been up to?

22
00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,480
Speaker 1: I've been good.

23
00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,600
Speaker 4: I was recently in Guatemala for a wedding. That's probably

24
00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,520
Speaker 4: the last a little bit of travel that I did,

25
00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,120
Speaker 4: and I actually had a really good time there. I

26
00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,640
Speaker 4: wanted to be there longer, but because of schedule, it's

27
00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,880
Speaker 4: like graduation season for me and I have some family

28
00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,600
Speaker 4: stuff going on.

29
00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 1: I needed to be back in the home space. But

30
00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,040
Speaker 1: it was good. I was there for about a week.

31
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,200
Speaker 4: I got to hike, I get to be outside, as

32
00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,360
Speaker 4: y'all know, I like to do a lot. I hiked

33
00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,880
Speaker 4: a volcano called Akatanango and spent the night on it

34
00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,760
Speaker 4: and that was really fun. But in general, it's a

35
00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,440
Speaker 4: beautiful place. I got to see Antigua and spend some

36
00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,000
Speaker 4: time there, and we'd love to go back at some

37
00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 4: point and dig into more things. I looked at books

38
00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,760
Speaker 4: while I was there, but I didn't have the space

39
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,360
Speaker 4: back in me with me. So I would love to go.

40
00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,800
Speaker 1: Back and actually purchase some books next time i'm there.

41
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:06,880
Speaker 2: I love that.

42
00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,920
Speaker 3: That's so great that that's like I must go back

43
00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,079
Speaker 3: to get some books.

44
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,000
Speaker 1: Well.

45
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,800
Speaker 4: I found a lot of cool ones when I was there.

46
00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,799
Speaker 4: So one's about like mythology, about the legends of you know,

47
00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,960
Speaker 4: the legends of the country, and ones about time. One's

48
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,120
Speaker 4: about the supernatural ones. I mean, there are a lot

49
00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,880
Speaker 4: of cool books there. There are political books, I mean

50
00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 4: just all kinds of things. I saw some cool ones.

51
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,560
Speaker 4: I just didn't have any space for it, and so

52
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,120
Speaker 4: I just walked away with my head down and my

53
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,000
Speaker 4: tail between my legs, and I was like, I don't

54
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,560
Speaker 4: have any room, but it's fine.

55
00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,440
Speaker 2: One day, eas I believe. I believe in you think

56
00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,520
Speaker 2: you'll be back.

57
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 3: Well, since we know that there's a threat of rain,

58
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,799
Speaker 3: we'll go ahead and jump into the episode.

59
00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,920
Speaker 2: So, ears, who did you bring for us to talk today?

60
00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,840
Speaker 4: We are talking about hide Hiyoda Shimizu and she was

61
00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,240
Speaker 4: the first nise which means child of Japanese born immigrants

62
00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 4: to teach in the British Columbia school system. But everything

63
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 4: that happened in her life, how she contributed to the

64
00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,079
Speaker 4: school system in British Columbia, like, delved into a lot

65
00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 4: of other social things that were going on at the

66
00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,920
Speaker 4: time in British Columbia's history. So work she did was important.

67
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,639
Speaker 4: Looking forward to getting into her story today, Yes.

68
00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,920
Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack here with her story.

69
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,320
Speaker 2: So shall we get started with the history?

70
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

71
00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,120
Speaker 4: So, Heidei was born on May eleventh, nineteen oh eight,

72
00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,880
Speaker 4: in Vancouver, British Columbia and Canada. She was the oldest

73
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760
Speaker 4: of eight children that were born to her parents, who

74
00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,560
Speaker 4: had immigrated to Canada from Uwajima, Japan. That's how she

75
00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,880
Speaker 4: was second generation Nisei as we well, you'll hear that

76
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,280
Speaker 4: word later on in the episode two and they refer

77
00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,560
Speaker 4: to other second generation Japanese Canadians the same way. But yeah,

78
00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,440
Speaker 4: So her parents came from Ujima, Japan, and they planned

79
00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 4: to move to Boston in the United States and were

80
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,120
Speaker 4: on their way there when they made it to Vancouver,

81
00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,880
Speaker 4: but they decided to stay in Vancouver and he day

82
00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,680
Speaker 4: ended up going to Laura Seacourt Elementary School where she

83
00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,200
Speaker 4: was the only non white student in her class, and

84
00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,599
Speaker 4: she later went to John Oliver High School and then

85
00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,880
Speaker 4: she went to the University of British Columbia for a year.

86
00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,720
Speaker 4: In nineteen twenty five, she ended up transferring to Vancouver

87
00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,080
Speaker 4: Normal School and in nineteen twenty six she got her

88
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,400
Speaker 4: teacher certificate, so she was one of the first nisse

89
00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,680
Speaker 4: to get a teacher certificate at the time. So there

90
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,160
Speaker 4: was another teacher that was already teaching a first great

91
00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,120
Speaker 4: class at Lord Being Elementary School in Steveston which is

92
00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 4: now a part of Richmond, British Columbia.

93
00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,000
Speaker 1: But there there were many.

94
00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,880
Speaker 4: Japanese immigrants in the community that spoke Japanese. That teacher resigned.

95
00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,120
Speaker 4: Hede applied for the job in the fall and got it.

96
00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,479
Speaker 4: The school board assumed that she spoke Japanese even though

97
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 4: she didn't. He DA's parents spoke Japanese, but he Da

98
00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,080
Speaker 4: didn't grow up around a lot of Japanese Canadians. She

99
00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,280
Speaker 4: actually didn't know a lot of Japanese people, and that's

100
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 4: how he De ended up becoming the first Nise to

101
00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 4: teach in the British Columbia school system, which, of course

102
00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,400
Speaker 4: it was impressive because at the time there was a

103
00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,400
Speaker 4: lot of anti Japanese in general, anti Asian sentiment in

104
00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,880
Speaker 4: British Columbia and Canada. It was prevalent and it made,

105
00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,480
Speaker 4: of course jobs getting jobs difficult for people of Japanese descent.

106
00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,560
Speaker 4: But Hedy also taught overfoll classes because Lord Being was crowded,

107
00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,040
Speaker 4: so they had to have overflow classes at other schools.

108
00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,440
Speaker 4: But either way, this is the beginning of Heide's story

109
00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,520
Speaker 4: at Lord Being. I wish I have more single stories

110
00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,480
Speaker 4: of head A teaching there and stories from her students

111
00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:12,240
Speaker 4: which may be there because some of her documents are collected. However,

112
00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,000
Speaker 4: I don't know how many of those exist. But she

113
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,279
Speaker 4: taught there for a long time, so this is the

114
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,360
Speaker 4: beginning of that story. She ended up teaching there for

115
00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,240
Speaker 4: sixteen years. But consider that sixteen years and then there

116
00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,440
Speaker 4: were things that happened in the meantime. So in the meantime,

117
00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,279
Speaker 4: he Da was becoming socially involved with organizations. She worked

118
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,599
Speaker 4: with the pow Street United Church. She worked with the

119
00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,080
Speaker 4: Japanese Canadian Citizens League. Not fully sure what her impetus

120
00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,039
Speaker 4: was for being involved, like what was her drive to

121
00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760
Speaker 4: become so socially involved, I'm not fully sure, but she

122
00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,080
Speaker 4: started becoming involved with these organizations. And the JCCL was

123
00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,840
Speaker 4: an organization of Japanese Canadians who advocated for citizenship and

124
00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,480
Speaker 4: the right to vote because Japanese Canadians couldn't vote in

125
00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,640
Speaker 4: British Columbia, and after the Dominion Elections Act was passed,

126
00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,919
Speaker 4: they lost a federal right to vote in nineteen twenty

127
00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,720
Speaker 4: but either way. Later on, because of her involvement in

128
00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,800
Speaker 4: these organizations, nineteen thirty six, the JCCL once again, that's

129
00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,320
Speaker 4: the Japanese Canadian Citizens League, they invited her to join

130
00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160
Speaker 4: a four person delegation to Ottawa to advocate for the

131
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,040
Speaker 4: right to vote. So on May twenty second of that year,

132
00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,480
Speaker 4: nineteen thirty six, she went before the Elections and Franchise

133
00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,160
Speaker 4: Acts Committee in the House of Commons, which was considering

134
00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 4: lifting the ban. The other three delegates that went with

135
00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,000
Speaker 4: her were men, so they were a dentist, a life

136
00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,160
Speaker 4: insurance agent, and a professor, and of course Heide, who

137
00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,680
Speaker 4: was a teacher. And later on Heide said that women

138
00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 4: weren't included in discussions at the time, but the JCCL

139
00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,680
Speaker 4: thought that one of the four delegates should be a

140
00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,200
Speaker 4: woman because they were going in front of this panel

141
00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,800
Speaker 4: of white people and that would.

142
00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: Help influence them.

143
00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,680
Speaker 4: Basically, but she and the other people who were presenting

144
00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,080
Speaker 4: each had fifteen minutes to make their presentations about extending

145
00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,120
Speaker 4: voting rights to Japanese Canadians. I believe that he Da

146
00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,679
Speaker 4: was the first to go up. Unfortunately, it didn't go well.

147
00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,280
Speaker 4: The committee decided against extending the vote, and the delegation

148
00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,640
Speaker 4: went back to Vancouver and on June fifth they announced

149
00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,640
Speaker 4: the news to a public meaning of about three hundred

150
00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:34,920
Speaker 4: people that it.

151
00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,840
Speaker 1: Didn't go well, and heat I did.

152
00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,040
Speaker 4: They'll create a scrapbook of her time there, which is

153
00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 4: pretty cool. There's a short video on it.

154
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,120
Speaker 1: On YouTube.

155
00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,920
Speaker 4: It's now in the Nick National Museum, which has access

156
00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,720
Speaker 4: to her document so you can go look at some

157
00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,720
Speaker 4: of that there. Even better, I don't I'm imagining you

158
00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 4: could probably see some of that stuff in person if

159
00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,160
Speaker 4: it's possible.

160
00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 1: But yees.

161
00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:02,120
Speaker 4: So Japanese Canadians has oil, has Chinese and South Asian

162
00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:08,120
Speaker 4: residents still couldn't vote. Japanese Canadians wouldn't be able to

163
00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,040
Speaker 4: vote in Canada until nineteen forty eight, in British Columbia

164
00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,080
Speaker 4: until nineteen forty nine. So keep that in the back

165
00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,840
Speaker 4: of your mind. This effort continues throughout these years. Although

166
00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,320
Speaker 4: they didn't necessarily win the fight in this moment, this

167
00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:41,559
Speaker 4: experience did uplift heide as an advocate for Japanese Canadians rights.

168
00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,200
Speaker 4: And so this is when we get to a little

169
00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,640
Speaker 4: bit of the larger story around the beginning of World

170
00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,200
Speaker 4: War Two. So if people who are listening are familiar

171
00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280
Speaker 4: with American history, then they know about the interment of

172
00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,000
Speaker 4: the Japanese in the United States around this time. So

173
00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 4: in cana there was also a history of anti Japanese,

174
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 4: anti Asian sentiment, anti Japanese detainment.

175
00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,679
Speaker 1: So in the months leading.

176
00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,160
Speaker 4: Up to the outbreak of World War two, this anti

177
00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,080
Speaker 4: Japanese sentiment that this trust of Japanese Canadians, interpersonal acts

178
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,200
Speaker 4: policy against Japanese Canadians, all of that was brewing and

179
00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,720
Speaker 4: steing anti Japanese propaganda. Racism prevailed over dissenting voices. So

180
00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,600
Speaker 4: of course there were people who were like, not rocking

181
00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,640
Speaker 4: with it, all of Japanese Canadians, y'all need to be persecuted.

182
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,880
Speaker 4: And then there were people who were like, this is

183
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:48,000
Speaker 4: clearly racism, this is unfair, and you shouldn't be think

184
00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,000
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be persecuting Japanese Canadians because of it.

185
00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,480
Speaker 1: But when World War two began, there were.

186
00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,760
Speaker 4: Many people of Japanese descent in Canada and about two

187
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:05,160
Speaker 4: thirds of them were citizens. But when Canada declared war

188
00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,760
Speaker 4: on Japan after Pearl Harbor, some people called for Japanese

189
00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,800
Speaker 4: people to be detained, and of course there were other

190
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,640
Speaker 4: people were saying that's cruel and unnecessary. And in Ottawa

191
00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,880
Speaker 4: for instance, like for instance, some of the persecution that

192
00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,360
Speaker 4: was happening to Japanese Canadians at the time. In Ottawa,

193
00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 4: anyone naturalized after nineteen twenty two had to report to

194
00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,040
Speaker 4: the Registrar of enemy aliens. There were more than a

195
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,040
Speaker 4: thousand Japanese Canadian fishing boats that were impounded. Japanese language

196
00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,560
Speaker 4: newspapers were shut down, and the Superintendent of Education in

197
00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,480
Speaker 4: British Columbia ordered that all Japanese language schools were to

198
00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,199
Speaker 4: be closed.

199
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

200
00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,679
Speaker 4: So John Hart, the British Columbia Premier, and George S. Pearson,

201
00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,720
Speaker 4: who was the British Columbia Cabinet Minister, a British Columbia

202
00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,000
Speaker 4: Cabinet minister, they pushed the federal government to hunished Japanese

203
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,320
Speaker 4: Canadians and in nineteen forty one, he Dae and other

204
00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,560
Speaker 4: Japanese Canadians older than sixteen had to register with the

205
00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:18,600
Speaker 4: Royal Canadian Mounted Police. So everything's escalating and that is

206
00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,160
Speaker 4: affecting Heide herself and her family. Her family lost their

207
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,280
Speaker 4: tim lot, parcel of land and their belongings. Well, let

208
00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,079
Speaker 4: me not say lost, because that makes it seem like

209
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 4: they just went into the ether.

210
00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,200
Speaker 1: They were confiscated.

211
00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,200
Speaker 4: And Japanese Canadians were sent away from the coast of

212
00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,920
Speaker 4: British Columbia and Japanese Canadians were brought to Hastings Park

213
00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,880
Speaker 4: in Vancouver that included children.

214
00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 1: Every other day, when he Da would finish.

215
00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,120
Speaker 4: Teaching in Steveston, she would go to Hastin's Park to

216
00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,520
Speaker 4: supervise education, and then she would get back home by curfew,

217
00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,560
Speaker 4: which was nine pm at the time for Japanese Canadians.

218
00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,000
Speaker 4: So imagine like having a long day with all these students,

219
00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,400
Speaker 4: you know, and you're going to work and spend time

220
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,120
Speaker 4: helping the students every day. But then she still had

221
00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,000
Speaker 4: the energy and the will power and the motivation and

222
00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,760
Speaker 4: the care clearly to go to the park and continue

223
00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,520
Speaker 4: to help students because she cared that much about the

224
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,720
Speaker 4: education that they were getting, and she clearly knew that

225
00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,160
Speaker 4: it was important. And so on February twenty fourth, nineteen

226
00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,600
Speaker 4: forty two, the federal government used the War Measures Act

227
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,520
Speaker 4: to pass Ordering Council PC fourteen eighty six to allow

228
00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,200
Speaker 4: the government to detain Japanese Canadians. A few months later,

229
00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,880
Speaker 4: he they ended up leaving her job at Lord Being

230
00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:54,600
Speaker 4: to work at Hastens Park. But Japanese Canadians were being

231
00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,679
Speaker 4: forced to relocate to detention camps or labor camps, and

232
00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,520
Speaker 4: the British Columbia Security Commission was the federal agency that

233
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:09,559
Speaker 4: was over rounding up and detaining Japanese Canadians, so families

234
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,600
Speaker 4: were split up. As if this wasn't bad enough, men

235
00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,679
Speaker 4: were split up from their families. They were sent to

236
00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,240
Speaker 4: road camps. And there was a group called the NISE

237
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,320
Speaker 4: Mass Evacuation Group that was organized by Japanese Canadian men

238
00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,280
Speaker 4: that pressed people to resist registering for road camp. But

239
00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,040
Speaker 4: the BC Security Commission BC as in British Columbia. You'll

240
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,800
Speaker 4: you might hear me say later on BC, I'm just

241
00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,240
Speaker 4: saying British Columbia. But yeah, the BC Security Commission still

242
00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:43,200
Speaker 4: split up the families. People who were resisting were arrested

243
00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,160
Speaker 4: as the story goes, and many were sent to prisoner

244
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,080
Speaker 4: of war camps illegally, and more than twelve thousand Japanese

245
00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,400
Speaker 4: Canadians were detained in camps in the interior of British Columbia.

246
00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,840
Speaker 4: So I can only imagine how he Dae was feeling

247
00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,479
Speaker 4: at the time, how much chaos and harm was being caused,

248
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,080
Speaker 4: how much devastation there was to the Japanese Canadian community

249
00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,440
Speaker 4: in the midst of war. So he and I still though,

250
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 4: continued her fight for education. In October of nineteen forty two,

251
00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,240
Speaker 4: she got on was forced to be on a train

252
00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,360
Speaker 4: as she was being expelled from Vancouver. The British Columbia

253
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:39,000
Speaker 4: government refused to give funding to education or provide teachers

254
00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,840
Speaker 4: for the Japanese Canadian children, even though they.

255
00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 1: Were supposed to.

256
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,520
Speaker 4: The New Canadian, which was a Japanese Canadian paper, said

257
00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,480
Speaker 4: this the British Columbia provincial government should continue to bear

258
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,240
Speaker 4: his share in educational costs, just as it had been

259
00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,880
Speaker 4: doing for over forty years before Pearl Harbor, and in

260
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,320
Speaker 4: accordance with this constitutional responsibility.

261
00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,120
Speaker 1: The New Canadian was one of.

262
00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,800
Speaker 4: The papers that was not shut down at the time,

263
00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:15,080
Speaker 4: But churches and the British Columbia Teachers Federation helped that

264
00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,000
Speaker 4: cause of providing support for the education of Japanese Canadians,

265
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,840
Speaker 4: so Heday wasn't alone. She helped, though, organize a school

266
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,360
Speaker 4: at an internment camp near Hope, British Columbia. Then she

267
00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,880
Speaker 4: was expelled to an internment camp in New Denver, British Columbia,

268
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 4: and she stayed there for a few years, living in

269
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,240
Speaker 4: a house with a couple of other women, but she

270
00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,880
Speaker 4: still continued her work. She traveled to other internment camps

271
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:49,080
Speaker 4: to supervise education, and she worked with the JCCL under

272
00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 4: the supervision of the British Columbia Securities Commission to develop

273
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 4: a school system for the children in internment camps. There

274
00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,240
Speaker 4: was another Japanese Canadian who she worked with named Terry Haddaka,

275
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,480
Speaker 4: who had a teacher's certification, but she hadn't worked in

276
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,080
Speaker 4: the school system yet before. But they still organized training

277
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,560
Speaker 4: for high school educated Japanese Canadians in the camp to

278
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 4: become teachers. The British Columbia Securities Commission said that they

279
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,440
Speaker 4: could only teach in English, though still somewhere around two

280
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,639
Speaker 4: hundred people got this training over the course of interment.

281
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 4: They also got together supplies and equipments for the classroom,

282
00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,160
Speaker 4: and she fought for better classroom conditions, teacher training, and wages.

283
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,479
Speaker 4: But in the midst of he day doing all this work,

284
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 4: there were still more and new the discrimination that was

285
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,199
Speaker 4: already there continued, and then more policy was enacted to

286
00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:52,560
Speaker 4: further that discrimination. Very sadly, in January of nineteen forty three,

287
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,600
Speaker 4: in order was enacted that allowed officials to sell property

288
00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,480
Speaker 4: owned by Japanese Canadians, so they were ripped away from

289
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,640
Speaker 4: their homes, their families were split up, they were put

290
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 4: into labor camps and internment camps, and then their property

291
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 4: was sold, all kinds of property that included companies, homes, boats, farms,

292
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 4: personal items, all of the lot. Very hurtful, obviously, I

293
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:31,560
Speaker 4: can only imagine how that felt. But as the war's ending,

294
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,919
Speaker 4: the war's ending, Japanese Canadians are still facing this discrimination

295
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,560
Speaker 4: and policy.

296
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,440
Speaker 1: So in nineteen.

297
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 4: Forty four, Japanese Canadians and British Columbia were forced to

298
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 4: go to Japan or move east of the Rockies.

299
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 1: They couldn't go back to the coast.

300
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 4: Japan announced its surrender in World War Two in August

301
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 4: of nineteen forty five. That surrender was made official in

302
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 4: September of nineteen forty five, and in the summer of

303
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,159
Speaker 4: nineteen forty five, he days were work as an education

304
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 4: supervisor for the internment camps ended. Still though for Japanese

305
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 4: Canadians people in British it's not like all of a

306
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 4: sudden everything was healed, you know, and it became a

307
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 4: magical place for Japanese Canadians. Of course, people in British

308
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 4: Columbia were still there were still interpersonal things, so people

309
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,080
Speaker 4: in British Columbia were still hostile and racist. They were

310
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 4: stripped of their belongings and property there, so there wasn't

311
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 4: much that they had to return to. And still the

312
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 4: British Columbian federal government were working in coots to bar

313
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 4: Japanese Canadians from coming back to the province. They still

314
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 4: didn't want them there, and Japanese Canadians had to build

315
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 4: new lives elsewhere. So it's one of those things where

316
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 4: it's like, God, we could talk all day about how

317
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,160
Speaker 4: resilient people are who face who were marginalized in facial pression,

318
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 4: and like, of course they were, but it was because

319
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 4: they had to be like so they did build new

320
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 4: lives elsewhere, but it was because they were forced away

321
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 4: from the province and it was because of the devastation

322
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 4: that happened. It was because they lost everything and they

323
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 4: had to start over. So he Thee left New Denver

324
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 4: and moved to Ontario, where her family was. Then she

325
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 4: ended up going to Toronto and in nineteen forty eight

326
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 4: she married Reverend Kosa Buro Shimizu, and he had been

327
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 4: in an internment camp in British Columbia as well. His

328
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 4: ex wife had died, but he already had four children,

329
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 4: so Hede became their stepmother, and in Toronto, Heide was

330
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 4: involved with the Nisse Church, with the Japanese Canadian Cultural

331
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 4: Center and with the momi Gee Healthcare Society. And Japanese

332
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 4: Canadians were banned from British Columbia until nineteen forty nine,

333
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 4: but he Day's work was recognized over the course of

334
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 4: her life. She was in June of nineteen eighty two,

335
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 4: she was made a Member of the Order of Canada

336
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 4: by the Governor General. In nineteen ninety she became the

337
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 4: first president of the new organization Ghost Town Teachers Historical Society,

338
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 4: which recorded the stories of teachers in the Japanese internment camps.

339
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 4: She had realized that that kind of initiative was necessary

340
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: when she saw that a lot of the documents related

341
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 4: to internment camp education in the archives were official documents,

342
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: which obviously didn't provide a large scope of view of

343
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 4: what people were going through at the time.

344
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: It was an incomplete picture of people's stories.

345
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 4: So she wanted to rectify that, and this was the

346
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 4: initiative that she took to try to do so, and

347
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety seven, Lord Being Elementary School dedicated to

348
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 4: Rock Garden in her honor, and two years later, on

349
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: August twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, in Ontario, he they

350
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 4: died when she was ninety one years old, and that's

351
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: all of story.

352
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: It's a lot to unpack, as I said, in her story,

353
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 3: and it paints like so much just her life demonstrates

354
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: so many other bigger things that it's going back to

355
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: what you said, Eves is like, it's so frustrating that

356
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: she had to go through this so that she was resilient,

357
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: but it is it is I don't know, like nice

358
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: isn't quite the word, but I'm glad she was there

359
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: to like I want to make sure this education is happening.

360
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that kids are getting this.

361
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 3: So it is one of those things where it's like

362
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: incredibly frustrating, but you're glad there are people there care

363
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: that much.

364
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also yet kind of still relevant Sky.

365
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

366
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: The importance of education, I guess is something that's really

367
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: urgent to talk about right now. But yeah, it was

368
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: like clearly like there was also a limited pool of

369
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: people who could do the job that he d was

370
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: doing at the time, because she was already one of

371
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 4: very few people who are Japanese Canadian specifically, who were

372
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: doing the job of educating children. And so yeah, it's

373
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: pretty inspiring to see that he Da took that into

374
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 4: account clearly and took initiative on it to the point

375
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: where she was traveling from place to place, I imagine

376
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: seeing a lot of horrors like things that were also

377
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: very emotionally tough for her.

378
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: To deal with as she was teaching.

379
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: But obviously there was a bigger cause beyond herself, and

380
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: it seems like.

381
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: That's very.

382
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: That's very front and center in the work that she

383
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: was doing. That like there was something that she put

384
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: she put before her own needs and comfort to be

385
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: able to do this work, and yeah, very important. It's

386
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: still a lot a lot of it is very sad,

387
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: but if she wouldn't have done the work that she

388
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 4: did do, then then those kids would have gone without

389
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 4: being educated.

390
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: During that time.

391
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: So it's nice that that she was able to provide

392
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: that in that way and organize people in that way. Right.

393
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 6: It's interesting because I've not heard of the perspective like

394
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 6: what the Canadians did during this time. We know, like

395
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 6: you said earlier, a lot of some of not a lot,

396
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 6: but some of the history that happened in the US

397
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 6: with the internment camps and what happened to the Japanese community,

398
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 6: it's interesting to see what it looks like in Canada.

399
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: That's when we were like, oh, they're so nice.

400
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: Hm.

401
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: Apparently not. They're justice yeah, right as we are.

402
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: That is that is a good, very good point to

403
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: bring up, I think, Samantha, because I think the United

404
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: States looks to Canada as this place to hal as

405
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: doing really well by like indigenous peoples, not saying across

406
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: the board, you know, just like in comparison to the

407
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: United States. Sometimes I heard, you know, people Americans talk

408
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: about the Canada like it's this place that is a

409
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: little step up from the United States, so in terms

410
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: of how they treat marginalized people, and it was not

411
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: that way. And British Columbia, specifically within Canada was a

412
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: really horrible place, enacted really horrible things, and there were

413
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 4: differences between the way that Japanese Americans and Japanese Canadians

414
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: were treated during this wartime, like you know, the for instance,

415
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 4: how we talked about how the property was taken away

416
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 4: from them in British Columbia. I don't think it happened

417
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: exactly the same way in the United States. I think

418
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: the Japanese Canadians had to pay for their interment and

419
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: it worked a little bit dif friendly with Japanese Americans.

420
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure a scholar of that time period

421
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 4: is specifically Japanese Americans during war time, would be able

422
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: to speak to that much better than I would. But

423
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: there were differences, and in some of those cases things

424
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: were more harsh. Not like we're playing oppression Olympics or

425
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: anything like that, but it's just like my point is

426
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: to kind of gets what you were saying, Samantha. It's like,

427
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: it's not just all better in Canada, and indeed sometimes

428
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: it was worse. If there is any scale of ways

429
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: to like compare these things.

430
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 6: Right, the widespread hate like it exists no matter what.

431
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 6: It's kind of one of those things where it spreads

432
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 6: very quickly on the conspiracy theories and then like when

433
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 6: it comes to white supremacy, they're gonna win out, They're

434
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 6: going to do their best way to take advantage of

435
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 6: every situation. And we know this, and we know that

436
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 6: Canada was colonized as well obviously British Columbia and as such,

437
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 6: so there's a lot of history to be said. But

438
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 6: yet again, like the four thought that education and will

439
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 6: save communities and generations, I think that's something that we

440
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: have to hold on to because that's one of the

441
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 6: things that's being attacked for a reason. Like they know

442
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 6: that's the one thing that has been a focal point

443
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 6: in trying to teach younger generations how to continue to

444
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 6: move forward with their culture and their community strong. And

445
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 6: we know that's kind of what's happening with the dismantling

446
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 6: of the Department of Education, the dismantling of DEI, the

447
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 6: dismantling of those who can get further education. Like there's

448
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 6: so much in that conversation here. I hate that as

449
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 6: cyclical and that we're back here, but these are good reminders.

450
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 6: Once again, I think that's the bigger part is that

451
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 6: people still strive and fight during those times, these times,

452
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 6: I guess.

453
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And on top of just not only the dismantling

454
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: of education, but the control of the education that is

455
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 4: disseminated to people. So it's like Okay, you must teach

456
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 4: in English, or this is a curriculum you have to have.

457
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: This is what can and can't be included in a

458
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: curriculum not based on any sort of scientific, long lasting research,

459
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: just because of people's propaganda and people's misinformed and disinformed opinions. Yeah,

460
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: and that was that was the case, and not only

461
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: misinformed and disinformed, also purposefully harmful.

462
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: Opinions. Yeah.

463
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 6: And I'm glad for people like you thieves who bring

464
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 6: these people to us so we don't forget what is

465
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 6: happening and who they are and how important they are

466
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 6: and were.

467
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm happy to.

468
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: I think it's nice to have a community and be

469
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: in community with people who care care about these things.

470
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: So shout out to everyone listening and to y'all too.

471
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 6: Yes, to our community who cares to learn.

472
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but yeah, thank you so much.

473
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: Use for bringing these stories to us, these very important

474
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: stories when you're traveling.

475
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: All over, when you're in the car, We really appreciate it. No,

476
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: there's always a delight. It is well eaves. Where can

477
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: the good listeners find you?

478
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: Y'all can go to my website, which is Eves Jeffcote

479
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: dot com. I'll spell that y V E S J

480
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: E F F C O A T dot com and

481
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: you can pretty much get to everything from there. You

482
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: can sign up for my newsletter, which you get a

483
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: free meditation with that is about nature. By the way,

484
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: you can also get to like a contact form from

485
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: there hit me up. You can also go to Instagram.

486
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram at not Apologizing. And if you're interested

487
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: in nature and travel and things like that, since we

488
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: kind of started talking about that at the beginning of

489
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: this episode, you can go to my YouTube channel which

490
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: is Other World Outdoors, which I also cover black history,

491
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: Black history and the outdoors and outdoor travel things like

492
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: that on the channel. Yeah, so any any of the

493
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 4: Avenues I would love to hear from you, and of

494
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: course many other episodes of Sminty here female first where

495
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: we talk about plenty of other people in history that

496
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: if you're interested in love today's episode, I think you'll

497
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: like those two.

498
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: That's all Yes, Yes.

499
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: And listeners. Go check out Eves and all the Avenues.

500
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: All the Avenues.

501
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing content that you produce, So go check

502
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: Eve's out listeners.

503
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: If you would like to contact us, you can You

504
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: can email us at hellot stuff, onever told You dot com.

505
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: You can find us on Blue Sky, a momsub podcast,

506
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I Never Told

507
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: You for us on YouTube. We have a tea public store,

508
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: and we have a book you can get wherever you

509
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: get your books. Thanks as always too our super producer

510
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: Christina or executive PRIs and contributed Joey. Thank you and

511
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: thanks to you for listening Stuff I'll Never Told You

512
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: production by Heart Radio FORUR podcasts from my Heart Radio,

513
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: you can check out the heart Radio Appple podcast wherever

514
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: you listen to your favorite shows