WEBVTT - Bradley Wright-Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sports Bubble, a production of I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen carp and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a sports which means I've spent the last forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours staring at this Patrick Mahomes contract extension. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>he deserves it, He's the best quarterback in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>But ten years I don't even know what I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>doing ten minutes from now to find that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>gig in this climate. God bless that man. Considering what's

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the last three months, though, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>assume they'll be playing football in those weird clear bubble spheres,

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<v Speaker 1>competing against x mocking A like robot dolls, and having

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<v Speaker 1>playbooks digitally implanted into their heads when this contract runs out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's now officially a Casey dynasty if you ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what they say. When one door opens,

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<v Speaker 1>another one into Sean Jackson's house closes, and I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>talking to athletes and sports industry professionals about what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing during this very weird time, because someone has to

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sports Bubble with Jensen carly Right. Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>found soccer superstardom in a rather unique way. The English

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<v Speaker 1>born forward started his career with Manchester City in the

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<v Speaker 1>Premier League, but never found his groove, landing himself on

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<v Speaker 1>second and third tier teams, prompting a move to the

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<v Speaker 1>States and Major League Soccer, and where he may have

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<v Speaker 1>stalled at home, he excelled abroad. As part of the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Red Bulls. He became one of the league's

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<v Speaker 1>all time greats as a two time Golden Boot winner,

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<v Speaker 1>two time All Star, and three time Team MVP. The

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<v Speaker 1>son of legendary Arsenal forward Ian Wright and brother de Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>who played in both England and the U S as well,

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<v Speaker 1>went above and beyond any expectations, finally finding comfort in

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<v Speaker 1>his game in the Big Apple. That is until last

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<v Speaker 1>year he was injured, having trouble scoring, and now at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, might finally be showing signs of slowing down.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as you start to think Bradley is out, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when he's in signing a new contract with the

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<v Speaker 1>defending supporter Shield Champs l a f C. Right. Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to prove his haters wrong, but also he's

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<v Speaker 1>completely terrified. We spoke only days before he was set

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<v Speaker 1>to leave for Florida to play in the MLS is

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<v Speaker 1>Back tournament, still in the dark about how he'll stay

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<v Speaker 1>safe while away from his family for three months. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a raw conversation about what he's facing and how

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<v Speaker 1>he honestly is not comfortable. We also talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>longstanding racism in his sport, if a tournament when will

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything at all, and if activism has just moot in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very real and important listen this week in

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<v Speaker 1>the sports Bubble from Bradley Right Phillips to accept Press one. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Man. I usually start these interviews asking where you've

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<v Speaker 1>been quarantined, but with you it's slightly different. We're getting

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the MLS is Back Tournament, am I assuming

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<v Speaker 1>you are in Orlando in l A right now? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so they are supposedly starting Wednesday. Are you Are you

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<v Speaker 1>planning on going out? Yeah? There was a few things

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<v Speaker 1>where I might not have gone, something like personal reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>I just needed my family to be sorted, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a if I'm being totally honest, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough ask. You know, obviously we all miss football. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a tough ask what they're ask him. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'll be I'll be good to go. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think because we're in l A, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to go as soon as everyone else. We could

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<v Speaker 1>still do team training too. It's good, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>less time now, I think, the better, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being honest, if you're just locked in a

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<v Speaker 1>room for however long, you know it's going to be tough.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we're just with the lady a bit. I

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<v Speaker 1>have tons of questions. One, you have a three or

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<v Speaker 1>seven and eleven year old, you have a wife as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these people that will be going with you to

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<v Speaker 1>this bubble of sorts? No, it's another thing that it

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<v Speaker 1>crossed my mind to do. But I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 1>how the options were in doing that. And also I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure how dangerous is I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>away from them that long. You know. I've just moved

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<v Speaker 1>them out here, you know, from New Jersey, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to leave them. So I felt I felt

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<v Speaker 1>bad in that way, but then I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring him to a place now and they're just stuck,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with maybe a risk of getting a virus

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<v Speaker 1>for it was a tough one. But they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in l A. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a fake out too, because you're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>your kids you're going to Disney World, and yet it

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<v Speaker 1>would be it would be the least cool version of

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World for them ever, exactly that. And it's funny, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you poled out because when I told my son, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to Orlando to play this tournament that can

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<v Speaker 1>I come? I want to come. I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Disney that. I'm like, you trust me, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be what you think. And he doesn't let up.

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<v Speaker 1>He still wants to come, and like, I can't do

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<v Speaker 1>that to you, mate, I really can't. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a distinct difference between Orlando and Disney World. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to Orlando. What he thinks Orlando is doing,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only thing he thinks exists there. Well, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna he's gonna miss out on a hotel room. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you know, like if they filled you in on

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<v Speaker 1>the process, like once once you land, are you like

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<v Speaker 1>driven somewhere in like a big outbreak truck, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>what is the do you know if they told you Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they've told me that we've got a bit of information

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<v Speaker 1>on it, but I won't at you because I was

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<v Speaker 1>so against you know, I was kind of against it

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning, so I wasn't I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you get there. I think you go there,

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<v Speaker 1>you have some testing, and then you're going into quarantine

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<v Speaker 1>for I want to say this could be, but I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say seventy two hours, maybe less, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if your test of negative, then you go out and

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<v Speaker 1>you train as normal as a team. If you're positive,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you're staying quarantine until ye until until

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<v Speaker 1>you figure things out. I guess it's it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>weirdest summer camp. It's like, I can't even fathom. You guys,

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<v Speaker 1>all these professionals, your whole life have played one way,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they have you in this strange weight here

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<v Speaker 1>stay in your room alone. It is very strange. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't really care how I come across here

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<v Speaker 1>because it's there's no secret to me, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's a little bit stupid. I'm being honest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just think we could have waited

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<v Speaker 1>like the rest of the leagues, and you're trained until

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to play, and that's it. You're taking us

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<v Speaker 1>all to a place now in a bubble where you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to stay in your room away from your family's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some people got some real some real life

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<v Speaker 1>issues you know, to deal with, and you just got

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<v Speaker 1>to go to leave your family for how long? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess Money talks to my friend Money does

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<v Speaker 1>the League? I mean, I'm not piling on here. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you to think I'm just hitting you. But

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<v Speaker 1>League said this last Sunday, eighteen players six staff members

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<v Speaker 1>test positive before leaving for Orlando. But then yesterday it's

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<v Speaker 1>reported six Dallas players test positive. Now the entire team

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<v Speaker 1>is quarantined. They did not test positive before they left

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<v Speaker 1>for Orlando. This isn't a bubble if people are getting

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus while inside it, or if you know people are

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<v Speaker 1>coming and going that work for Disney. I mean exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess when you get there, are you are you

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<v Speaker 1>still going to reassess? Yeah? I think I'll you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be team first and see what everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>is doing. My initial forces are just did once we

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<v Speaker 1>get in all this information? Are we still go? Every morning?

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up and like, are we still do it. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think once I get there, I say, in my

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<v Speaker 1>room and I'll just play cord of Duty. I'll play

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<v Speaker 1>quard Internet train, I'll train and get back to the room,

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<v Speaker 1>play call a gut. I'm not going to time me

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. I've got a family to think about. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with you there, Uh listen. I gotta give you my

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<v Speaker 1>honest opinion and fear of the food situation. Everyone saw

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<v Speaker 1>the hashtag yesterday regarding the sixty five dollar lunch or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. I want you to to pack as

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<v Speaker 1>much lunchables as possible, anything you can get your hands

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<v Speaker 1>on at the market. Bring it with you, Just bring it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very scared. I'm gonna go shopping on Sunday. The

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<v Speaker 1>rumor of your l a f C teammate and reigning

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<v Speaker 1>m V pete Carlo Savella not returning, is that Do

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<v Speaker 1>we know if that's for sure? Or I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's for sure he's not coming. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really not sure. Honestly, it's not much talking on

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<v Speaker 1>who's going. I think they people saw that out between

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<v Speaker 1>them was John and Bob. I know when I had concerns,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I did. I don't think many people knew

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<v Speaker 1>my situation, you know, so I'm not really sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. Yeah, because he has a pregnant wife. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this obviously would hurt the team, and not that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the top priority, but it's gonna put you in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a place to step up. And I was wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if you were able to get comfortable with your team.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a new squad for you in l A. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly individual practices and maybe some zoom calls? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you Are you comfortable with these dudes? Yeah? And do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I felt more comfortable now just after

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<v Speaker 1>we got to resume team training. I've been there for

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<v Speaker 1>a while now, you know, it's weird because of the lockdown.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels it just feels so strange. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>get introduced and then something happens. Then I came, Remember

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<v Speaker 1>I came. I got surgery, so I was injured. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting to train with the team, so it's been

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<v Speaker 1>stop start. But I do feel like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>boys now. I think, you know, I'm lucky enough since

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in America to be in two good changing

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<v Speaker 1>with where the guys are a really good and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just saying that, you know, really like cool guys

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<v Speaker 1>that if I wasn't playing football, but I still want

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<v Speaker 1>to know these kind of people. So I've been lucky

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. They've been good to me. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel part of team. I feel good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and obviously you have a green card here you

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<v Speaker 1>are a citizen. But I was wondering what the EU

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<v Speaker 1>shutting down basically any tourism from the U S. Has

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<v Speaker 1>that affected you at all? Or is that just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it seems everything. It's like you said, you wake

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<v Speaker 1>up every day and there's just a new part for

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<v Speaker 1>the course. I'm telling you, it's like nobody knows anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, you wake up as an rule or

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<v Speaker 1>something else you can't do and something you can do. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I just go with the flow. Traveling to England hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>affected me. I went recently for some personal reasons. Other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, yeah, it hasn't affected me. And the fervest

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<v Speaker 1>I goes to the park to get the kids some

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<v Speaker 1>fresh air. But like caged animals right now and training

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<v Speaker 1>the mess ht Yeah, it's insane. Uh. You turned thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five during quarantine. By the way, did you do anything fun?

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<v Speaker 1>For your birthday? Did you have friends drive by? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? My wife, you know what my

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<v Speaker 1>birthday is. What marched the twelve And on that day,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the last day we we got told we

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<v Speaker 1>can't come into training. And on that evening she took

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<v Speaker 1>me to a restaurant. We went out and ate had

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<v Speaker 1>a few drinks, you know, so I luckily bought a

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<v Speaker 1>nice little you know, celebration and then we had a

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<v Speaker 1>little cake at the house with the family. So it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it wasn't bad, but that was actually the last

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<v Speaker 1>day or something normal. Yeah, well, you know, turning thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>huge career change for you, leaving New York a football

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<v Speaker 1>team of soccer team just absolutely connected to you forever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're coming off an injury, like you said, showing you're

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<v Speaker 1>still this MLS powerhouse. How important is that to you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. At first, when I when I left

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<v Speaker 1>Red Bull, and I wasn't sure what I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to do, where I was going to go. I was

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<v Speaker 1>almost done, you know, not retiring, but I just thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I got, I've got nothing to prove.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what anyone thinks. And then just the

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<v Speaker 1>way it come about then I'd read certain things and

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<v Speaker 1>here things and my last season I read was injured.

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<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of people don't really know the

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<v Speaker 1>into And now it's like even when I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the bench or coming on, I was an injured and

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought, I don't want to go out like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I get a second chance with l AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just for all the like kind of doubts everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>I think she is older now his last season wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 1>It just gave me like a new lead of life

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<v Speaker 1>to where I have something to prove, because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>easy to find those kind of things in the game

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<v Speaker 1>when you've been someone for so long or done something

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. You have to find little ways to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to get ahead. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>having to find a new team and actually getting a

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<v Speaker 1>really good team where I feel like I could fit

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<v Speaker 1>in and do well. It's just it's given me just

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<v Speaker 1>a new bowl and I just can't wait to get

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<v Speaker 1>out there and improve myself. Yeah. Can I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>something that how crazy is soccer? That you had one

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<v Speaker 1>bad season after five or six of the greatest in

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<v Speaker 1>the sport, in the league of MLS and they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh he's done, dude. I was like, man, that is

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<v Speaker 1>one season. But that's the world we live in. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like everything. If you look at music, like someone puts

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<v Speaker 1>the album one week and you listen to a few tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>and next week someone else has got what. No one cares,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's up to the individual or the people

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<v Speaker 1>to to say that I'm not done. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I can still do and keep proving people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually the world we live in. Get we can

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<v Speaker 1>get everything quick. Yeah, you know. I guess people feel

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<v Speaker 1>they can just go and get another strike and that

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<v Speaker 1>would do that or and that's just the world we live.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not to ask too to say no. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually like still good. You know I can actually

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<v Speaker 1>still play. I'm excited for that. Though it said it's

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge. You had a legendary run, like you said

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<v Speaker 1>it with the Red Bulls. They retired your jersey before

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<v Speaker 1>you even retired. You'll be in l A a team

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<v Speaker 1>defending the supporter shield in the in the most difficult

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<v Speaker 1>tournament division in Florida. It appears you're gonna be flying

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<v Speaker 1>out there on on Wednesday at least. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>you see your chances as a team being able to

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<v Speaker 1>win this thing. Yeah, as a team, it's difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>say because you know everyone's coming out of lockdown and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know where anyone is. What I do know

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<v Speaker 1>is that we've trained very odd. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of honest people, apart from the talent to talents obvious

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that watches them, probably the best football in team.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, got the best player in the league at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. So I think that goes about saying. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think the work we've put in behind the closed doors,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm hoping, you know, it will show when

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<v Speaker 1>we get there, but you never know what to expect.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different whole, different set of no fans and

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<v Speaker 1>no you know, I mean, it's weird, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>serious or some player team is going to take it

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. But we've definitely got a good chance.

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<v Speaker 1>More with the l a f C. S Bradley right

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips after this right now, Feeding America is working tirelessly

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0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and now the rest of my chat with MLS great

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<v Speaker 1>and l a f C striker Bradley Wright Phillips. You

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<v Speaker 1>were one of the sixteen individual players who was able

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of sort of the strange MLS practices

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<v Speaker 1>that happened after the pandemic. We spoke with Brian Rowe

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<v Speaker 1>and he was He explained it to us and it

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<v Speaker 1>it truly sounded like a nightmare. He would like wait

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<v Speaker 1>in his car, they'd call him, he'd walk in, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>basically be covered with a hefty bag he couldn't pass

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<v Speaker 1>to people. It was just like, did you get anything

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<v Speaker 1>good out of those? Do you know what I did?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think why it wasn't as bad for me

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<v Speaker 1>because before that we were just training. We'll find in

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<v Speaker 1>punts where you could train and run, you know, uneven

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<v Speaker 1>gross you got dogs running around you. So for me

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<v Speaker 1>just getting back at the facility, I know it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the best terms like training alone, but you still got

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<v Speaker 1>to see some of your teammates. You've got a good field,

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<v Speaker 1>you had goals, yes, small goals, passing boards, everything, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you had things that you couldn't bring to the park.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I didn't even it was annoying when

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<v Speaker 1>I look back at it now, it's that what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell was that it's waiting in your car. It was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it was kind of crazy, But at the

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<v Speaker 1>time it was a great change for me because I

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<v Speaker 1>was tread up and going into the park and dogs

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<v Speaker 1>running around my cast and looking out my ankles. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tread up. Yeah. I mean. Also, we're both in l A,

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<v Speaker 1>me and you and and I mean it doesn't help

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to make this decision in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're going through in l A with the

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<v Speaker 1>cases spiking, where it seems like we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>back into quarantine. Bars are closing for the next three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and stuff like have you guys as your family

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<v Speaker 1>been basically inside and that's it for the past three months. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have actually I think my wife right so

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<v Speaker 1>every now and again to find a hotel and actually

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<v Speaker 1>not too popular as you'll get into a hotel and

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<v Speaker 1>actually locks herself in a room and rights. Yeah. But

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<v Speaker 1>other than that yet it we've just been in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>So honestly, the park is been our best friend. We

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<v Speaker 1>go to the park every now and again, and and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, honestly, training, home, homework, the school teacher. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up ninety flights a day. I'm not the only

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<v Speaker 1>one by It's yeah, it's been tough. It's been tough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>three seven eleven, those are all pretty serious ages. That's that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hard to keep down, let alone on a chair

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<v Speaker 1>than the house. I mean, that's not easy. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>it's been time beyond the pandemic. The world has obviously

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<v Speaker 1>been focused on a racial division and the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd, and coming from soccer in the Premier League,

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<v Speaker 1>you and your brother have seen and been accustomed to

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<v Speaker 1>a racism in sports that we don't even necessarily know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in public in the United States. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if you could speak on that experience that that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have faced in the past honestly, like, yeah, growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>you get it, but it's something that isn't right even

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<v Speaker 1>when I said it is now that you learn to

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<v Speaker 1>just live with the deals. I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>I've been abused in every game I've played. Oyeay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been about But even now when I see just so

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<v Speaker 1>quickly go off, like even now, when I see everyone

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<v Speaker 1>like coming together, I like it, but I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>where it's going to, where it's almost like a trend

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<v Speaker 1>now and like you know, it just feels like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sheets. I've always been on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>like it's I can make some real change, or people

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<v Speaker 1>can make some real change. Let's do that. Let's come

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<v Speaker 1>together and make a real change. Because this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a secret. This has been in the game or interest

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<v Speaker 1>in life for hundreds of years. So I'm just knock

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<v Speaker 1>down with what's going on at the moment. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just posting a black picture. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing with this? Almost you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want some real change or I don't want nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't pretend please don't pretend to me, don't try and

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<v Speaker 1>just saying at you, by the way, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need sympathy, like I just want real change or please

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<v Speaker 1>don't come to me with anything. I just I want

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<v Speaker 1>to work on something now with a few players where

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<v Speaker 1>I can you know, where I can make some real

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<v Speaker 1>change or just open some eyes in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment, now, just what I'm seeing is just annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Some things are just annoying because this isn't new. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little weird to have people say, hey, don't

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<v Speaker 1>kill us. You know the police are killing us, and

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<v Speaker 1>the responses let's make sure that no white people do

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<v Speaker 1>the voice his two black characters and cartoons. It just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a very strange connection because it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the stakes are so much higher than those things. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess maybe as someone who watched soccer kind

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<v Speaker 1>of from the side, I I'm not a super fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I love researching it more than anything else watching real sports.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a segment years ago that was very famous

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<v Speaker 1>here in the States, where it was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I had seen the throwing of bananas or the chance

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<v Speaker 1>or the things that just to me were mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Even living in a country that I know has systematic racism,

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<v Speaker 1>to see it's so public and the anti semitism in soccer,

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<v Speaker 1>those things were so damaging to watch that I almost

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<v Speaker 1>thought to myself and I know your brothers talked about

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<v Speaker 1>his experience where he felt he couldn't leave the field,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't leave the pitch, and is that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously in MLS it's probably a lot I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say hidden, yeah, but but it was that maybe part

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<v Speaker 1>why you may not have felt as comfortable there whom

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<v Speaker 1>you Yeah, I mean, you know, you play in the

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<v Speaker 1>Premier League, you come to MLS and you really thrive

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<v Speaker 1>and you you beyond anyone's expectations. And I wonder so

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<v Speaker 1>much about jobs, not even just sports, but so much

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<v Speaker 1>about jobs is about being comfortable and and I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how much it meant to you to come to a

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<v Speaker 1>place where that crazy stuff wasn't wasn't happening. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, at the time, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things that were pissing me off or getting on

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<v Speaker 1>my nerves, you know, just about just how football is

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<v Speaker 1>in England. There's a lot of things, some of my

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<v Speaker 1>own doing, and just somehow things work, you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>things were set up, you know, very old school in

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<v Speaker 1>the ways of the coaching, how the people fought. And

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<v Speaker 1>now you ask me that it's yeah, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of those things, but I wasn't thinking, honestly

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<v Speaker 1>that black and white to wear like it's it's racist

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<v Speaker 1>here or along those lines, and I have to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of things that I didn't like. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just such a tricky conversation. And because it's been

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<v Speaker 1>happening so long and I just don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>change certain things that I honestly think that I think

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<v Speaker 1>our generation or whatever, I'm not sure you're as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just a lost cause. I think I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to sound like I'm giving up, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think like just in your household makes you a kid

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<v Speaker 1>the raised right, your neighbor, you know. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying it, I think almost this period were

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<v Speaker 1>in like even everyone that's like with the Yeah, with

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<v Speaker 1>the movement, it's good. Yeah, it's good to see there's

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<v Speaker 1>some unity. But I think it's almost a lost cause.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly do. I think you've just got the kids

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<v Speaker 1>have got a you know, be taught different ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and from there from someone. Even now, my words

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<v Speaker 1>are like jumble because it's frustrating to even talk about

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<v Speaker 1>something because I'm just that nothing will be done about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just kind of frustrating. But that isn't why

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<v Speaker 1>I left England. It wasn't just that black and white.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not why I left England. But yeah, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit that happens. Yeah, I mean, I have a one

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<v Speaker 1>year old, uh, and I just my wife and I

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<v Speaker 1>have focused on the idea that we just we think

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenties, we say about twenty five and under I'm forty,

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<v Speaker 1>so we we just have hope for them. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I had read Ian Desmond's Instagram post last week that

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<v Speaker 1>he did about baseball and the systematic kind of racial

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<v Speaker 1>bias in in the league, and it felt so heavy that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's like, oh, I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>anything as sad as it sounds. We almost have to

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<v Speaker 1>start over by saying, oh, we're the idiots, don't don't

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 1>worry about us. Yes, it's almost a loss, coolis what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say. I think, yeah, we can do

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<v Speaker 1>what we can now, but I think our vision has

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<v Speaker 1>just got to be for the kids, for our children,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it, because you're not going to change how.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even saying he's a racist or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to change how Donald Trump thinks, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to change how the CEO of of or

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<v Speaker 1>wherever a multi million dollar company thinks you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to change that, you know. So it's yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just a tough one and black people for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, I've learned to live with Some people

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<v Speaker 1>have learned to live with that's not right, evil, but

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<v Speaker 1>you learn to live with it or you Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even sure. I'm not even sure. Honestly, you can

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<v Speaker 1>hear by how I'm talking. I'm not even sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think, yeah, it's almost until we're teaching the kids

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<v Speaker 1>the right way to to live, the right way to

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<v Speaker 1>think and so on. Is yeah, I think we're just

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<v Speaker 1>a lost cause. Have you been impressed at all by

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<v Speaker 1>what the Premier League has done so far? Does it

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<v Speaker 1>just feel symbolically gesture based, Yeah, it's again. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice to see it seems like, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>just watching it or you see a picture of it, yeah,

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it looks nice. How many of those people actually care?

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.720
<v Speaker 1>How many people that are kneeling again, don't don't mince

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<v Speaker 1>my words. This this looks good. It shows unity, it

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 1>shows that um it's being thought about. How many people

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<v Speaker 1>kneeling or how many people wearing Black Lives Matter on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of their shirt actually care? Like how many

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.840
<v Speaker 1>giver ship? But I can come off here now, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can off this phone call and post something, post

0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a nice picture with the nicest words, and and you

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.720
<v Speaker 1>could be just you could be slying. I've seen people

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<v Speaker 1>go to riots, take a picture or riot such said

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 1>that protests, take a picture and get back in the

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.120
<v Speaker 1>car and and go home. So you know what I mean. Yeah,

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:48.679
<v Speaker 1>it looks good, but I don't know if it's if

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from your heart and it's ruining it bothers

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you and bed at night, fair enough, But if it don't,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get involved, like, just don't do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's just do what you've been doing the

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<v Speaker 1>last seventy years under DearS. But you've seen this, because

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, there was it's only a few winning

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.439
<v Speaker 1>was it maybe last season or most seasons? These player

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<v Speaker 1>is getting rich and abuse in Italy at the manager

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 1>of the teammates to say they shouldn't have walked off

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the pitch. Yeah, you know what I mean? Is this

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<v Speaker 1>this this happens? Yeah, you think you're changing all the

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>way those fans think by putting what everyone needing, You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to change. I like the way we're doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the way if people are interested in it

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<v Speaker 1>and people have a real passion for it, we're showing unity.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if that's what changes those set

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<v Speaker 1>of fans or that's what changes the CEO at SO

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<v Speaker 1>and SO. I don't know if that's what changes their minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you understand my plant? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's even hard for me because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you, do you see protesting or acts of

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<v Speaker 1>like social justice awareness during this tournament coming up? But

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>like it is, it's like, what is that going to

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<v Speaker 1>actually do? And you And it's true that we should

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<v Speaker 1>all do something because it's a great uh, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great metric. We we should we should obviously see it

0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and and kids like mine and yours should should see

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<v Speaker 1>these things because it's important. But what is really going

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<v Speaker 1>to change if someone does something in a soccer game,

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<v Speaker 1>or in a baseball game or a football game. It

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.479
<v Speaker 1>truly is about and I think that's what a lot

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of athletes are facing when they're asked to go back

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 1>right now. We've seen it with guys like Avery Bradley

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and the NBA and Ian Desmond baseball. Like this is

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.439
<v Speaker 1>a question everyone is asking and there's no wrong answer,

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's difficult. If you really care what I think,

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<v Speaker 1>don't judge me if I don't turn up to football

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>because I'm I'm hurt about this, don't judge. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a basketballay foot and I don't want to play

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 1>right now, I'm sure they'd go into a camp as well.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really care, then let's you know what I mean,

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 1>let's let's let people do what they want to do.

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Not Okay, come but we're all neil. Okay, we'll come back,

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, we'll all have Black Lives Matter on it. Okay,

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that looks good. You've covered your back Premier League or

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 1>MLS or whatever you've Yeah, you look like you care.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about of people that don't. There might be

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>people still affective from this and don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to work, don't want to work, don't want to play

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.159
<v Speaker 1>sport right now, they might want to do something to

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<v Speaker 1>make a real change. Yeah, these people don't care. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I think, anuate they don't care. And also, I

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>guess a big thing too is what about in six months?

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.199
<v Speaker 1>What about in a year? It will go? It will go.

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.479
<v Speaker 1>That's the burnout. Yeah, they'll be gone, it will go.

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>And this is what this is my beginning point about

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>if it's a trend, it's a trend. If you go

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, you won't see any of the following things.

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I know what I think, I know how I feel.

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I felt like this for years. But it's a trend.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon something else will happen and this will be gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This will be gone. One of the harder things that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen recently was your father, the legendary arsenal player

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<v Speaker 1>in right, posting his support of black Lives Matter, and

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>was met with just these disturbing racist messages that he replied,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, does he is he like you? Is he

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>sort of like? I know this? This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I faced my entire career. I mean, I don't

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>want to say jaded or callous. He had He's probably

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>had it worse. He's had it worse than I have.

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's probably had it worse than I have

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Actually. But the thing even him just posting

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>that and showing that that's going to be tread out,

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>this is like, that's not even a new thing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just because he's fed up. He's posted that now, and

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>he's just like something has to be done, at least

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 1>shame this guy, at least shame these people. But this

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is a normal thing, you know, and that's someone that's

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>done very well in his country, like very well for himself,

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and this is how people will treat him or think

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>they can talk to him. Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's crazy.

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>What do you think that kids thinking when when he

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>sees the Premier League doing what they're doing, like all

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff, you know, Black lives matter, like all

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of these things. Do you think that kid is like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, you're not thinking that he thinks those guys,

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>But that's what he thinks. And this brings him back

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 1>to my point. That's why I don't even talking about this.

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like it just goes round in circles.

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, unless I can do something real, and I'm

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>still working on things, thinking about sulf Unless something real

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>can happen, it's just bought it because, like you said,

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>people are going to forget about all of the sun

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<v Speaker 1>too when there's a new trend or need something else happening. Yeah.

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you saw Maya Moore this week

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>who you know, took off a season of the w

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>n B A to kind of crusade for someone who

0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>was improperly imprisoned for assault and burglary charges, and you

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.159
<v Speaker 1>was released this past week. And it just makes me

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>question being on a stupid microphone podcasting. It's like, is

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>there things to do? Are there too many things? What

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>can I do? I mean, these are just questions that

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 1>that should be racing in everyone's mind. Yeah, well, I'll

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>tell you what you don't do. You do what you

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>keep doing, what you're doing. You don't just do anything

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Something will come to you where you

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>can literally make a change or help or get a

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>message out of that. It's from your heart and you

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 1>think will affect people in the right way, then you

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I think there's a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything. They're pressured. Even my old team I saw

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>a thing like and they thing. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if I should say it might be too far now

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.679
<v Speaker 1>forget that anything. Well, I never expect you to censor yourself,

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but okay now, and I don't normally, but I don't

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>want things to come out too because I even had

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>a chance that you can think about things myself. So

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to come out to or you know,

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 1>just do things from the heart. Do things if you

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 1>want to do it. If you are racist, and I

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>don't pretend that, okay, you're going to do this to

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>sure everyone you're involved, you know, just do things from

0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the heart. If you have nothing to say right now,

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>don't say might have something amazing or life changing to

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 1>say in two or three months. Well, on a much

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 1>lighter note, we are both hip hop heads. You and

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I are both what I call retired m c s,

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>which is high and that is a title that only

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a few of us can really have. An exclusive club

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>legends yet two legends in the game. But I wanted

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>to close out by seeing if you had some suggestions

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>for listeners who want some new names in grime. This

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 1>is a a American I say, it's been very elusive here.

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>We know Skepta, who's I know a personal friend of yours.

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>We we know the big names, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see if there was anyone you could suggest to us

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of on the horizon, someone that that we might

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>not know about on the horizon. It's it's tough to

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 1>send horizon because I should have got a list. You're

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 1>not sure the technic because I'm just all I do

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is listen to Griham Really okay, So what you want

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to be listening to because I don't think and it's

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>not on the horizon. But these guys are not on

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the horizon, but I just don't get their credit worldwide.

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But you want to listen to O G. So that's

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>like Little d T, Money, Blacks, Gender, Desperado. This is

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.360
<v Speaker 1>on recording. So you get all those names, then you've

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.360
<v Speaker 1>got um. You've got another legend that should be heard

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>all around the world, just as much as skept is

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>like that, have you heard of Kano? Yes? I love

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Kanoko amazing, but I don't know he should be like

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>in America right now he's telling him not just good

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 1>in England, just in the world. He's a Drake favorite.

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know Cano through Drake Drake

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>lack ship yeah, that makes sense. Yes, so many Grahame Like,

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>there's just too many obviously. Have you guys heard a

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>D double E. No, I do not know d W E.

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>D W Graham legend um on the horizon. So I'll

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>get some younger names and people that don't really get

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>their dudes. Even in England here it's like they're all

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>emerging because yeah, we don't we don't have a scene here.

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>We have to follow you guys. Yeah, yeah, I mean

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you should start putting on some events maybe, Yeah, we'll

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>get them over, We'll ride them over if events exist.

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I do like, uh, this group out of the definitely

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>not grime, just hip hop, but but out of the UK,

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>these guys Cult of the Damned d A, M and E.

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>D you hear him at all? Damn? Yeah, a hip

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>hop hip hop on a like a like proper hip

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>hop like lyrics and or the they're kind of they're

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of boom bap, they're kind of like, uh, they're

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of underground feeling a little bit like

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a late late nineties I'm gonna s yeah could to

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the Damn. They have a song called Nicole I really like.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>But they're they're British group that nobody talks about, so

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I throw them in the mix. It's not grime. I

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>never want to pretend I know what you're talking about,

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>but at least with the boom bap stuff, I know

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<v Speaker 1>the lyric guys. Yeah, now I'm gonna check those, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna check them out. Yeah. There's so many, man, Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It's hard to follow. But I am very

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<v Speaker 1>excited for you to get back on the field. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case. I'm I'm, I'm. What I'm really more

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<v Speaker 1>excited about is for you to make a decision based

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<v Speaker 1>on what you see. Yeah. Yeah, Well, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>talking to me, and uh and good luck with everything. Man, No,

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