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Speaker 1: Sextra Point, everybody. The Giants fall to the Cincinnati Bengals

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Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football, seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 2: John Schmelt, Jonathan, you can see.

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Speaker 1: Is Bob Pappa with you after this Giant's disappointing loss

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Speaker 1: at home. We will have Brian Dable at the podium,

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Speaker 1: We'll have Daniel Jones at the podium and all the

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Speaker 1: other reaction from the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Pauldatino will join us, and.

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Speaker 1: Guys, this is the bottom line against a Bengals team

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Speaker 1: that in their last four of the weeks allowed twenty

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Speaker 1: six points to the Chiefs, thirty eight points of the Commanders,

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Speaker 1: twenty four points to the Carolina Panthers forty one points

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Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens. The Giants play four quarters of

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Speaker 1: football and score seven points against Joe Burrow as well

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Speaker 1: as the Giants defense played. You're not winning a game,

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Speaker 1: Bob Papa scoring seven stinking points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And when you only convert five of fifteen on third

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Speaker 4: down against a team that was thirty first in the

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Speaker 4: NFL in third down defense, and when you don't rush

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Speaker 4: the ball worth a you know what, you're not gonna win.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Giants had one hundred and six and

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Speaker 4: thirteen is one hundred and nineteen yards rushing. But it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a good running game. I mean Tyrone Tracy seventeen

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Speaker 4: carries fifty yards, Gray three for thirteen. You know, the

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Speaker 4: two leading rushers in this game with the two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Jones had fifty six, Borough had fifty five. But look,

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones played like bad Tonight played bad miss some receivers.

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Speaker 4: You can't have the in the red zone and under pressure,

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Speaker 4: just take the sack man or throw it away. I

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Speaker 4: Bob Intent Yeah, because he got hit as he was

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Speaker 4: throwing it. Maybe he was just trying to airmail it

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Speaker 4: out of the end zone, but maybe unless you're certain

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Speaker 4: you can't turn it over there, and you have miss

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Speaker 4: field goals, a field goal to tie the game that

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Speaker 4: you miss left forget about the one at the end,

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Speaker 4: although it's concerning that you missed it.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, there were a bunch of players

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Speaker 4: Correct And one of the big plays in this game

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Speaker 4: was a busted play that Joe Burrow laid it out

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Speaker 4: perfectly for Jamar Chase for thirty three yards and unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: you know, when you lose a game like this, you

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Speaker 4: look at everything.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I said it before I called the play. Burrow is

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Speaker 4: On a third and eighteen, he goes forty seven yards

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Speaker 4: for a touchdown. The Giants are all out of whack

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Speaker 4: in their assignments. He goes almost untouched the whole way.

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Speaker 4: And then on a third and twelve at the end

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Speaker 1: And Jase, I want to go to you on that play,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was very smart by Burrow and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't understand. You know, third and

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Speaker 3: well that drive and then like you said, Bob, they

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Speaker 2: And I want to give shame bow and credit.

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Speaker 1: How many times about did you see Burrow back to throw,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mentioned the two third down plays that

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Speaker 4: I mean, I gave you the third and eighteen, but

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Speaker 6: Listen to this stat that NBC put up.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals have allowed ten or more points in seventy

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Speaker 4: five straight games, which was the longest active streak. The

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Speaker 4: Giants scored seven. I mean, again, we talk about not

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Speaker 6: They looked like the Chiefs defense tonight.

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Speaker 2: It looked like they twelve guys on the field the

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Speaker 6: And I didn't I listen.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't a fan of the Giants coming out going

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Speaker 6: But with that said, the offensive line was not good tonight.

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Speaker 6: They were really not good.

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Speaker 4: They had a lot of pressure on the quarterback that

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Speaker 6: They didn't run block well at all.

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Speaker 4: Even on the third and one in a ten to

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Speaker 4: but it wasn't block well anyway. They're blocking there, they're

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Speaker 4: run blocking. Their pass blocking was not good in this game. Listen,

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Speaker 4: there's no other way to say it. They were horrible

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Speaker 6: As a unit.

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Speaker 2: The two plays one you already mentioned the interception.

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Speaker 1: The other one that killed me in the first half

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Speaker 1: That's jc a pass wherever the opportunity. That's a pass

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I thought it was a great route ran by him.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's an easy pass, but that's

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Speaker 6: You have to that's wide open.

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing we've seen, especially here at home,

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Speaker 3: the routine plays that the Giants should make, they aren't

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Speaker 3: making on offense, whether it's a drop by a wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: under thrown or overthrown ball by a quarterback, and it's

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Speaker 3: become a habit here in Met Life. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what's going on here at MetLife that they just cannot

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Speaker 1: Back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the

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Speaker 1: Bengals seventeen to seven. John Schmelt, Jonathan Caciez, Bob Poppo

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Speaker 1: or waiting Brian Dable at the podium. We're breaking down

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Speaker 1: this game. Obviously a lot of offensive failures. Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus as they're tracking up here, they have the Bengals

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Speaker 1: for seventeen total pressures in this game. They had the

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Speaker 1: you know, Andrew Thomas is one of the guys on

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Speaker 1: this offense. Guys you always count on playing really, really well.

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, he got the better of him tonight, and

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Speaker 1: a couple of those one on one matchups.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, but then the crucial mistake too

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Speaker 3: on that that passed the great point, and that was

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Speaker 3: like getting the momentum. The crowd was still into it

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Speaker 3: poor performances. They're not here to look at seven points all.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this crowd was not quick to putin

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Speaker 1: They they were waiting to go.

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Speaker 3: They're waiting for a play to happen. It just never

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 4: Well, They've only had a winning record at home once

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Speaker 1: I mean they took them ten quarters to score a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you can't play in the The fans

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Speaker 4: the sack and then the Giants. Yeah, and the Giants

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Speaker 4: So the fans were engaged. But I mean, you can

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Speaker 4: understand why there's a huge frustration with Giants fans. You're

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Speaker 4: the season and you know, scoring seven points against a

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a couple of the sacks there, so let's

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Speaker 1: had this conversation before the game. Giants led the sack

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Speaker 1: we talked to him like, you know what game and

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Speaker 1: game out, did it feel like the Giants had a

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Speaker 2: This is what it was supposed to look like. It worked.

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Speaker 2: The formula worked.

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Speaker 1: You held Joe borrowed was seventeen points because he was

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Speaker 4: A lot of hits on him too, Like my son

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Speaker 4: Thibodeau's out and Thibodeau's you know what, Azizo Jularry stepped

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Speaker 6: He forced the fumble. He forced the fumble.

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Speaker 4: That the Giants recovered after the Giants got stopped on

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Speaker 4: a fourth down. You know, now the Bengals are right

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Speaker 3: Fumble intentional ground and he forced that play too.

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Speaker 6: Exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So Giants created with seven quarterback hits in addition to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, according to the final status sheet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I bet you if you asked Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: I think I was hit.

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Speaker 6: More than seven times in the game.

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Speaker 4: Those are press box stats with guys looking through binoculars.

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Speaker 2: Surry conservative. Usually those quarterback hits stats.

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Speaker 3: They definitely played very very well on defense watching this

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Speaker 4: And listen, the Bengals came into the game, you know,

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Speaker 6: The Giants held in the four of eleven.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the coaches press conference, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Hackensack Briting Healthy, keep getting better.

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Speaker 2: Here's Brian Table missed.

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Speaker 8: You missed the quarterback run early on a rush lane,

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Speaker 8: but they played. They played winning football to hold those

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Speaker 8: You know, I think browhead about fifty yards rushing, but

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Speaker 8: hats off to the way the defense played. Missed two

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Speaker 6: And that starts with me.

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Speaker 8: And you know, it's it's hard to win games when

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Speaker 6: Why do you think the offense show so much.

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Speaker 8: That's probably a number of things down. Go back and

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Speaker 8: watch the tape. You know, I thought we had some opportunities,

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Speaker 8: Now we were aggressive on four down as I thought

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Speaker 8: So that's okay, that's in a nutshell before watching it on.

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Speaker 9: That that first series of the second half there we

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we didn't have any we have any points.

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Speaker 8: You know, it felt good about stuff that we had,

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Speaker 6: Going down and scoring, but it's.

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Speaker 8: Hard to win football games when he scored seven points.

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Speaker 6: That's that's the reality of it.

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Speaker 10: Explain what happened on that interception, Brian.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Daniels getting pressure and try to throw it, you know,

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Speaker 4: That, trying to hit THEO on the backside there or

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Speaker 6: It was a shot type of play to THEO.

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Speaker 8: And again if we got sacked, we got sacked. Obviously

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Speaker 8: And you can put that on me.

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Speaker 10: It seemed like a similar decision to the one against

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I don't think he was trying to throw it to

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Speaker 9: So what about on Andrew's penalty there on the ball

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Speaker 6: I thought he did.

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Speaker 8: Andrews blocking the run and you know, looked to me

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Speaker 6: It was two penalties for.

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Speaker 8: Nine yards, but that was a sixty yard gain.

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Speaker 6: That totally changed field position.

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Speaker 11: You mentioned that they're down struggles, that they do anything

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Speaker 8: To Nor, well, can you put your finger on the

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Speaker 3: It would led to it.

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Speaker 10: It being such a polar opposite from the week of Obrian,

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Speaker 8: Now, I mean every week, Connor, I tell you this,

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Speaker 2: Was there anything on offense you felt you could lean on.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously in the first.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, there's some good things that we

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Speaker 11: We talked a lot a couple weeks ago with the

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Speaker 3: What do you think was the problem tonight?

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Speaker 8: Every every week is different, so we hit them last week,

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Speaker 6: And it's simple answer.

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Speaker 11: You hit those because with any of other consistency.

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Speaker 13: Did you consider a fifty four yard if you'll go

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Speaker 13: When you say you still feel good about that call

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Speaker 8: That's we're not going to make an excuse for that.

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Speaker 6: You have to use a timeout on one of those

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Speaker 8: And you didn't get an issue with Andrew ankle And

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Speaker 8: Well, that's the doctor. Share where he's at.

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Speaker 1: Will take a quick time out, come back, give you

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Speaker 1: more analysis of this game. We'll hear from Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: Back here on Giants extra Point. Bengals beat the Giants

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Speaker 1: seventeen to seven. Daniel Jones is a podium, let's listen it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, physically and you concerned about that? No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I feel good.

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Speaker 6: Is there any getting hitded frustration?

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Speaker 4: It was you know, cowboys in Washington lost today and

448
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Speaker 4: Philly didn't look that great.

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Speaker 6: This could have put you right back in the race.

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Speaker 14: Uh yeah, I mean we're trying to win every game

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Speaker 14: every time we play, so regardless of what's going on

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Speaker 14: across the league or in our division, we're always trying

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Speaker 14: to win. When when the game we're playing, So it's

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Speaker 14: frustrating for that reason.

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Speaker 13: Did you guys make a decision at half time to

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Speaker 13: be more aggressive with going for the fourth downs?

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Speaker 3: Offensive?

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Speaker 6: Believe?

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Speaker 3: I think that was.

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Speaker 14: You know, something we talked about throughout the week is

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Speaker 14: is being aggressive in those situations. Some came up there

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Speaker 14: in the second half, and uh, some we executed well

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Speaker 14: and then some we didn't. So, uh, gotta look at

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Speaker 14: where we can clean those up.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 12: Frustrating Is it in a day that the defense plays

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Speaker 12: like it did not to be able to score more

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Speaker 12: than seven points?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's very frustrating to not score more than seven points.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you mentioned you've made you've made progress, like in

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Speaker 13: the game in Seattle. Offensively, you just got frustrated not

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Speaker 13: to keep that rhythm. How do you avoid not kind

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Speaker 13: of riding the wave of this and and keeping it

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Speaker 13: going in the right direction.

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Speaker 14: There, I mean, I think, Yeah, I mean, we just

476
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Speaker 14: gotta got to execute, got to execute throughout the game,

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Speaker 14: you know, take advantage of the opportunities we have and

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Speaker 14: and convert them. It starts in the beginning of the game.

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Speaker 14: Help you get into a rhythm and then sustain it

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Speaker 14: throughout so you know, like I said, we'll look at

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Speaker 14: the film and see where we where we could have

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Speaker 14: improved that.

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Speaker 12: Daniel, How difficult is it to not have big explosive plays,

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Speaker 12: you know, to have to execute playing I have to

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Speaker 12: play if the player play.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it makes it tough, makes it tough when you

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Speaker 14: when you have to do that. Honestly, I think credit

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Speaker 14: to their defense there. I think you know, their scheme

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Speaker 14: and their plan is to prevent some of those plays,

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Speaker 14: but we gotta got to execute and find a way

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Speaker 14: to generate some of them.

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Speaker 15: Did they change it up Daniel on the back end

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Speaker 15: as far as college wise, what they usually do to

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Speaker 15: try to take away some of the plays?

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Speaker 14: I think, Uh, yeah, I think they had a good

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Speaker 14: game plan. Uh, some different things here and there, but

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Speaker 14: you know, it's largely.

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Speaker 3: What they do, and.

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Speaker 14: We just gotta gotta execute. It's about what we do

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Speaker 14: and make sure we're uh doing what we've got to

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Speaker 14: do to move the ball score points.

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Speaker 13: Oh, you guys prevent you know, like the illegal man

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Speaker 13: downfield and Andrew, You guys hit a monstrous play comes back?

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Speaker 13: How do you prevent those types of Emmy's? I mean,

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Speaker 13: is that just wrapping things consistently well.

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Speaker 14: I think a lot of those r P O H

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Speaker 14: type plays, stuff like that can come up, and it's

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Speaker 14: it's tough. Think obviously Andrew's blocking for the run and

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Speaker 14: he's got a job to do there, so you know,

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Speaker 14: you try to try to avoid it where you can,

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Speaker 14: but it's you know, the risk you run when you're

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Speaker 14: running some of those RPO type plays.

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Speaker 16: What did what did you learn about Tracy tonight that

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Speaker 16: maybe you didn't know?

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Speaker 14: Played well, play well, I mean, played well well last

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Speaker 14: week in Seattle and came in, ran tough, made some

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Speaker 14: plays in the past game. I thought he had a

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Speaker 14: good night.

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Speaker 13: After you guys had a missed field goal and then

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Speaker 13: you can get back in the field goal range down three,

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Speaker 13: I think it would have been a fifty four yard

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Speaker 13: or your coach goes for it again. Obviously you had

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Speaker 13: gotten two fourth downs on the touchdown drive. Just curious, like,

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Speaker 13: how do you feel about in that moment? Would you

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Speaker 13: rather see a tight game versus going for it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I mean I like, I like the opportunity to go

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Speaker 14: for it, him trusting us to get it, and we

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Speaker 14: got to convert, We got to ex you and do that.

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Speaker 14: So you know that's Dave's decision. I like him him

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Speaker 14: trusting us and we gotta gotta convert.

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Speaker 15: The of the primetime narrative is still there.

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Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on at Yeah, I mean, I'm just.

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Speaker 14: Focused on winning games, playing well, winning games. You know,

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Speaker 14: tough one tonight, but we've got another opportunity next week

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Speaker 14: and that's what we got to do is focus on

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Speaker 14: that and get ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Thanks dam Thanks, that's a Giants quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones player press conferences are brought to you by MetLife,

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Speaker 1: the official insurance company of the New York Giants. Our

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Speaker 1: buddy Matt Stopski down there. We missed the first question

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Speaker 1: of the Daniel Jones press conference. He was asked about

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Speaker 1: the interception and he said he was trying to get

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Speaker 1: it to the back of the end zone, as Brian

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Speaker 1: Davile reference, trying to throw it away, and he said

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Speaker 1: he need to try to get rid of that ball earlier,

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Speaker 1: obviously before the contact came and Brian Dable talking about

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Speaker 1: Bob that that was a shot play, trying to take

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Speaker 1: the shot he'd like to play called back, but look,

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Speaker 1: you're in shot territory.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the shot is not going to be there.

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Speaker 1: And you have to be able to adjust to that

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Speaker 1: shot not being there, not make a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Look, I respect coach Dable in that situation, you know

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Speaker 4: we got a shot plague dialed up.

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Speaker 6: I take ownership. It's on me. Wish I had to

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Speaker 6: play call back.

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Speaker 4: Ah, Come on, Daniel Jones in the sixth year, He's

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Speaker 4: got to make a quicker decision at that moment. Either

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Speaker 4: dump it out to Tracy as he sees the pressure,

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Speaker 4: throw it to Johnson at his feet for an incompletion,

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Speaker 4: or just eat it and take a sackle.

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Speaker 3: Or make a miss. That was a big d tackle,

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Speaker 3: and Daniel Jones can make people miss well.

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Speaker 4: I think though the way he was kind of backing up,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he could have because he does

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Speaker 4: a lot of the other times. I just think he's

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Speaker 4: got to be smarter with the football there, like as

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Speaker 4: he's he just can't make that mistake, man, And in

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Speaker 4: year six, you cannot make that mistake when your defense

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Speaker 4: is playing as well as they are.

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Speaker 3: I fully agree with that. He's no Lamar Jackson. Like

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Speaker 3: we saw the week prior, Lamar made all those guys miss.

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Speaker 3: But in a situation like that, I agree with you

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of other decisions that could have been made,

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Speaker 3: and that was the last thing that I thought he

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Speaker 3: would do in that decision. He was so close to him.

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Speaker 1: Guys, it is a first intent at the fourteen yard line.

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Speaker 1: You take a sack there, what is it a six

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Speaker 1: year loss? Seven yard loss? So you have it second

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Speaker 1: and sixteen, all right, you throw for seven yards on

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Speaker 1: the next play, you have it third and nine, and

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Speaker 1: you try.

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Speaker 6: To convert it because it because.

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Speaker 2: That big of a deal taking a second. And I

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Speaker 2: think the reason.

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Speaker 4: Why he didn't throw it to Tracy was because the

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Speaker 4: pressure was coming from his right side, correct and it

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Speaker 4: happened really fast, and I just feel like he was

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Speaker 4: sitting in there trying to make a play. But at

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Speaker 4: that point, just eat it and take the sec. And again,

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Speaker 4: you know, year six.

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Speaker 6: In the league. This isn't year one or two.

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Speaker 4: And that's all part of the recipe of why the

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Speaker 4: Giants lost this game tonight. Their inability to run, their

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Speaker 4: inability to protect, their inability to make right decisions. Again,

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Speaker 4: you know, in a game this close, that throw to

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Speaker 4: Wandelle Robinson has to be made on that crossing route.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's move the chains keep momentum going. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what the answer is right now. One other note,

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Speaker 4: and they play it. They seem to play a lot

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Speaker 4: better offensively. If you think about the Washington game where

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Speaker 4: they're moving the ball up and down the field without

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Speaker 4: a kicker and they drop a pass on fourth down,

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Speaker 4: but that if you have a kicker, you probably win

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Speaker 4: that game. You thigure where they played in Cleveland, and

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Speaker 4: you think of where they played in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They even moved the ball against Dallas. They just couldn't

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Speaker 1: score touchdowns, correct.

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Speaker 6: But it's the home thing that's really weird. Man.

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Speaker 4: It's they play on the road and they move and

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Speaker 4: they score and everything else, and they play at home

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Speaker 4: and it's just now.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely not the same team. That team win the road,

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Speaker 3: plays efficient offensive football. They do they convert third downs.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones looks so much better than he does at home.

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Speaker 3: He comes here, he looks like a whole different quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that's about. I mean, the fans

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Speaker 3: are coming here to see some points being scored. They

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Speaker 3: are here, they were I mean it wasn't I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it's one hundred capacity, but it was pretty close.

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Speaker 4: And I get the fans credit for not getting on them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in this game, getting on the team nearly as badly

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Speaker 4: as they could have because the defense. What the defense

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Speaker 4: was doing was they were getting sacks and hits and stops,

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Speaker 4: so they kept it.

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Speaker 6: It was within range.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're only down three points in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 4: so it enabled the fans to stay supportive.

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Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I mean.

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Speaker 3: But the energy level, like the offense sucked the energy

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Speaker 3: level out of the stadium. You know, the defense can

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Speaker 3: keep it going, but it literally it starts like this

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Speaker 3: starts at a very high level. It was loud when

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Speaker 3: the game first started. But even if the Giants converted

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Speaker 3: later in the game, because there was no points on

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Speaker 3: the board, they don't really have too much to get

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Speaker 3: too excited about. And by the time you score, the

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Speaker 3: Energies already down. Those beers don't hit that that harder anymore.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the third when you got zero

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Speaker 3: points on the ball.

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Speaker 1: And look the Giants in this game. And Daniel Jonoes

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Speaker 1: asked this question how or maybe it was Brian Dable.

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Speaker 1: How tough is it and how much does it hurt

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Speaker 1: when you're unable to make explosive plays, and I think

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Speaker 1: was Brian Daaley said, yeah, look, it makes it a

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Speaker 1: lot more difficult you score touchdowns in this league by

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Speaker 1: making explosive plays.

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Speaker 2: The Giants did not have one play this entire game.

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Speaker 1: Go for more than fifteen yards. You want to know

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Speaker 1: why he scored seven points? That's the stat.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: And conversely, Cincinnati gets a forty seven yard touchdown run

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Speaker 4: by their quarterback, and then on a play in which

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Speaker 4: the Giants have Borrow under pressure, he's getting moving all

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Speaker 4: off his spot and everything else, and they hit Chase

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Speaker 4: with a thirty three yarder.

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Speaker 1: To see when the use of us when he got

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Speaker 1: away from a door he broke, he rolled to his left,

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Speaker 1: and he made a great throw down the field correct.

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Speaker 4: And meanwhile Jones missed Wandelle Robinson on thirty Like those

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Speaker 4: are big situations, you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Know you have to count it.

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Speaker 4: But almost at the end of the game, the thirty

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Speaker 4: yard touchdown run by Brown almost don't even count that

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Speaker 4: at that point when the game was kind of correct,

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Speaker 4: toot finy, And even in the situation where they forced

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Speaker 4: the fumble and Pinnock, it's not like, listen, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna blame Pinnock in the sense it it's not like

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Speaker 4: he tried to.

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Speaker 6: Scoop it up and run with it. That's a tough

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Speaker 6: point do for it, and he well, it's a play

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Speaker 6: you make in the NFL. He just didn't do it,

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Speaker 6: you know. And it's kind of all up again.

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Speaker 4: But this is a this is not a game to

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Speaker 4: really talk about defensive failures.

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Speaker 1: Right again, And the times Jones did buy some time

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Speaker 1: and break the pocket. Did anyone break open down the

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Speaker 1: field like Yoshi vas did or Jamar Chase make a

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Speaker 1: play and coverage against the defensive back.

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Speaker 2: We didn't see that. Let's take a quick time out.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll get more from the locker room, do a little

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Speaker 1: more analysis of the game. Giants fall to the Bengals

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Speaker 1: seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 7: Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: This is Tyrone Tracy Jr.

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Speaker 17: And you're listening to the radio home of Big blue

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Speaker 17: the Fan WFAN and Wfan FM, New York.

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Speaker 4: Jones in a shotgun set takes the snap, fakes the

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Speaker 4: hand up, now tosses it right for Tracy. He jukes,

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Speaker 4: lowers his shoulder and against the first down and all

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Speaker 4: college options. Yeah, eight of four Jones over center.

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Speaker 6: They're one for two on fourth downs on this drive.

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Speaker 4: Hodgings in motion left, hands it off for Tracy, bounces left.

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Speaker 2: He's got the first down.

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Speaker 4: Frank visioned by the rookie before he's stripped up into

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Speaker 4: thirty one I set Jones call signals, takes the snap,

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Speaker 4: hands it off, running to the end zone and in

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Speaker 4: for the touchdown. Giants hyrone Tracy. The Giants convert two

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Speaker 4: fourth downs. Tracy punches it in from a yard out,

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Speaker 4: and with five forty eight to go in the third,

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Speaker 4: the Giants are an extra point away from tying.

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Speaker 1: It a sixteen played sixty one yard drive and you

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Speaker 1: talk about lack of explosive.

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Speaker 2: It took sixteen plays to move the ball.

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Speaker 1: Sixty one yards and by default, that was the tonight's

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Speaker 1: scoring drive of the game.

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Speaker 2: Why it was the Giants only scoring seventy nine net yards?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know why there was a pass interference

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Speaker 1: that gave him the eighteen correct I apologize, So seventy

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Speaker 1: nine net yards on that on the eighteen yard penalty

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Speaker 1: with the pass interference.

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Speaker 2: That was the night scoring drive of the game. Brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens.

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Speaker 1: For every scoring drive this season, Citizens will donate seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars to the Giants Foundation to support

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Speaker 1: their work tackling important community issues, improving over our health

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Speaker 1: and empowering our youth. And if you look at the

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Speaker 1: Giants offense Tyrone Tracy, it's hard to argue he wasn't

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Speaker 1: their best offensive player today. Seventeen carries just fifty yards

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Speaker 1: three yards of carry and that touchdown. But he also

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Speaker 1: tie for the Giants lead in receptions and receiving yards.

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Speaker 2: Six catches fifty seven yards.

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Speaker 1: But even Tyrone Tracy, who I felt played well, guys

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Speaker 1: on that crucial third and one, he gets the ball,

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Speaker 1: tries to cut a field, these slips in the backfield

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Speaker 1: that turns it into the fourth and too they have

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Speaker 1: to pass on fourth down because he lost the yard

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Speaker 1: on the and that was the failure on fourth down

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Speaker 1: that eventually gave the Bengals the ball back.

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Speaker 4: Look how many games were played in the NFL today,

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Speaker 4: we're a team one and didn't have a single run

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Speaker 4: or pass over twenty yards. I guarantee you there's no

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Speaker 4: team that had that in won a game. You watch

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Speaker 4: the games today, watching all the games.

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Speaker 3: A lot of points of score today, two points.

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Speaker 6: Are scored, and there's explosive plays.

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Speaker 4: There's a well blocked run that goes for twenty five,

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Speaker 4: there's a pass play for twenty You can't win when

747
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Speaker 4: your longest play from scrimmage is fifteen yards. Slayton had

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Speaker 4: a fifteen yarder, Robinson at a fifteen yarder, Theo Johnson

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Speaker 4: at a fifteen yarder, and your longest run was from

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Speaker 4: your quarterback thirteen yards.

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Speaker 6: You're not gonna win in the NFL, not at all.

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Speaker 3: No, the blender's here at home, though, Like it's like

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Speaker 3: the offense falls apart, special teams is out of whack.

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Speaker 3: It's here in me life. I don't know what that's about, though,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I keep coming back to that, because

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Speaker 3: the fans they want to support a good product. You know,

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Speaker 3: these seats are not cheap, you know, That's what I've

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Speaker 3: been hearing from the fans for years, you know, And

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Speaker 3: the Giants is not putting out a good product out

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Speaker 3: there for them to feel good about supporting a team

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Speaker 3: that on the road this year didn't don't look that bad.

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Speaker 3: They looked pretty good, you know, last week against Seattle

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Speaker 3: in a tough, very tough environment over in Seattle, zero mistakes,

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Speaker 3: pre snap penalties, offensive line was able to run the football.

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Speaker 3: Offense look capable, and they come here at home was like,

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Speaker 3: it's like they forget how to play football. Defense look good.

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Speaker 3: But besides that, man, it wasn't too many positives to

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Speaker 3: take out of this game today. Man, I think everybody's

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Speaker 3: feeling that, you know, shout out to all the fans

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Speaker 3: that came to the game and that's listened to us

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Speaker 3: on the way home, man, and we appreciate you, that's

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants again just could not get anything going

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball here, yo.

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Speaker 4: For you and I have a couple buddies in the

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Speaker 4: golf world that are big Vikings fans, and for years,

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Speaker 4: you know, we heard, you know, Kirk Cousins in primetime

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Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins it Daniel Jones at this point now he's

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Speaker 4: one and fourteen in primetime games, right, and he's not

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Speaker 4: doing anything to dispel the narrative in these primetime games.

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Speaker 1: And Bob I said that during our pregame show, I said,

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Speaker 1: look against the defense that has played this poorly. If

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Speaker 1: there was ever a game where the Giants offense had

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Speaker 1: been clicking pretty well the last couple of games, this

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Speaker 1: was the game for him to dispel a lot of

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Speaker 1: those national narratives about not even just as primetime play,

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Speaker 1: just as overall play, and there were opportunities to do

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Speaker 1: it tonight and they just weren't able to pull it off.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean, and this was an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: dispel forget about national narratives, giant fan narratives. Correct, absolutely right,

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Speaker 4: giant fan because he is the hot button issue. Correct,

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Speaker 4: And he didn't do anything tonight that you can say, well,

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Speaker 4: I can defend him on this, like every fan that

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Speaker 4: has an hour to just shoot, what are you gonna say?

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Speaker 2: What are you going to say?

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Speaker 4: Red zone turnover, missed opportunities, some you know, poorly thrown

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Speaker 4: footballs that could have been completions to pressure and everything else.

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Speaker 4: And you know his I mean, his last prime time

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Speaker 4: his only prime time win was December eighteenth of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two at Washington.

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Speaker 3: He's over at home, Bob.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's one for fourteen. He's over at home.

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Speaker 4: And you were going against the team coming into the

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Speaker 4: game that had lost nine to eleven on Sunday night football.

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Speaker 4: So it's not like Joe Burrow was lighting it up

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Speaker 4: on Sunday nights either. But you know, the fans are

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Speaker 4: gonna the fans are gonna have their arrows out, and

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Speaker 4: we can't sit here and honestly say, yeah but this, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but that. It was a poor effort across the board.

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Speaker 4: But just like the praise goes to the quarterback, the

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Speaker 4: biggest shouting is going to go at the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And when you look at this, the stats is a

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Speaker 3: great indicator on what's truly happening. But then also the

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Speaker 3: eye tests, the visual eye test, it's bad. It might

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Speaker 3: be worse than the stats. When you look at how

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Speaker 3: the game is being played and you see the game,

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Speaker 3: you see how it looks on TV. I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: up here in the booth and it doesn't look good

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Speaker 3: up here, you know, And I know that people at

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Speaker 3: TV they're getting the replays, they're seeing the mistakes happen

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Speaker 3: in slow motion, they're getting all the extra views the

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Speaker 3: eye test is what fans really go off of, not

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Speaker 3: the stats that we're looking up and we're looking at

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Speaker 3: every time.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look at Joe Burrow's numbers. He was

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Speaker 4: nineteen of twenty eight for two o eight. Not a

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Speaker 4: typical Joe Burrow kind of game. He was sacked four times,

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Speaker 4: he was hit a ton, no touchdown passes, no interceptions,

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Speaker 4: but in a couple of big spots like the third

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Speaker 4: down pass play twenty nine yards, first down seal the game,

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Speaker 4: under pressure, scramble who is left.

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Speaker 6: A little bit, lays it over perfectly. It's not like

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Speaker 6: Cardell's flot had terrible coverage.

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Speaker 4: It took could perfectly placed throw to hit Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: for thirty three. And the Giant friends are saying, what

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Speaker 4: you know, our guys gotta make some of those plays.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is tough, right, You're only gonna have a handful,

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Speaker 1: at most, usually two or three chances in a game

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Speaker 1: to make a big play that a guy's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna Barcelsos Barcels always said there were five about five

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Speaker 4: plays in a game, and if you could make five

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Speaker 4: or six, and if you can make three to four

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Speaker 4: of them, the team that makes three to four of

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Speaker 4: those sort of turning point kind of plays is the

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Speaker 4: one that went.

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Speaker 1: Which team takes advantage of those opportunities, And the Giants

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Speaker 1: were not able to take advantage of very many of

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Speaker 1: any of those opportunities for big plays on either side

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Speaker 1: of the ball tonight.

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Speaker 3: And that was I think that's the thing that we've

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Speaker 3: been saying this season, failure to capitalize on opportunities. Right

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Speaker 3: I had I thought the Giants would have to score

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Speaker 3: thirty points against this Cincinnati Bengal was off.

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Speaker 6: Everybody said this was gonna be a high score.

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Speaker 3: We didn't think we were gonna use the punter, and

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Speaker 3: the punter punted the ball fairly well today, you know,

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Speaker 3: and and to come out here, defense held up. You know,

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Speaker 3: it didn't start the way it was. But look the

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Speaker 3: two Giants wins that they had on the road. Those

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00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: games started horrendously for the Giants, and they figured out

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Speaker 3: a way to respond. They were resilient. They showed that

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Speaker 3: resilient group. They showed the day ball culture that I

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Speaker 3: feel like he has established here. But for some reason,

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Speaker 3: at home, they just look like a totally different team.

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Speaker 3: They don't look like a resilient group. They don't look

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Speaker 3: like they respond to adversity and they don't make the

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Speaker 3: plays at the end of the game to win the game.

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Speaker 3: You say, four or five plays throughout the game, there's

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Speaker 3: one or two in the fourth quarter that they failed

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Speaker 3: to make consistently.

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Speaker 2: At home, Bob, final thoughts, are you gonna sick around

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Speaker 2: the other second?

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Speaker 4: I'll take one more segment. I just want to give it,

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Speaker 4: you know, a shout out to Brian Burns, who played

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Speaker 4: a really good game tonight. You know, he played really well.

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Speaker 6: I mean a lot of the guys in the defense.

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Speaker 3: Bass rushers were above and beyond. You know, we talked

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Speaker 3: about who's gonna to step up in place the cave

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Speaker 3: on Thibodeau. I said it was gonna be Ojeli and

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Speaker 3: Brian Burns. Those guys played.

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Speaker 1: Out stand like the whole secondary is this T Higgins

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Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, they didn't take over this game much separation.

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Speaker 4: And let me ask you this of t Higgins seven

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Speaker 4: catches for seventy seven yards, which is eleven o' pop.

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Speaker 4: How many of his were Just the dude six foot two,

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Speaker 4: twenty and bigger than most of the guys tackling him,

889
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Speaker 4: and he just blew through a bunch of tackles to

890
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Speaker 4: add to that yardage total. It's not like he was

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Speaker 4: running wild. It's not like I mean, look, Chase had

892
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Speaker 4: five for seventy two. Thirty three came on one play.

893
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Speaker 4: Thirty three came on one play. So they did a

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Speaker 4: really good job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's plu us ten seconds and give our station

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Speaker 8: York, and.

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Speaker 1: Giants fall to the Bengals seventeen to seven. Let's got

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Speaker 1: a quick time out. We'll return, We'll bring call Banks

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Speaker 1: in for a couple of minutes, and then we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to analyze this game and get some more sound from.

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Speaker 2: The locker room. We'll be back with more after this.

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Speaker 18: This is Brian Burns, and you're listening to the radio

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Speaker 4: Burrowing a shotgun set from the Giant thirty nine takes

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Speaker 4: the snap back pumps under pressure and he's gonna get

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Speaker 4: sacked on the by Bryan Burns got the initial pressure

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Speaker 4: and then the Giants cleaned it up. Burns with two

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Speaker 4: sacks coming into the game, that's a loss of five.

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Speaker 1: Extra Point, Giants Ball to the Angles, seventeen to seven

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Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football, Johns sh Belkbob Papa and that

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Speaker 1: we've welcome in Carl Banks here and Carl, let's start

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Speaker 1: first with the defense. One of a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: about the issues on offense. You know, we talked about

924
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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier on the show that when Joe

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Speaker 1: Shane brought in Brian Burns this offseason to Adam to

926
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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence, you bring back Caveon thibodauz Uzo, Jilari, you

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Speaker 1: gave dex to contract descension last year. This was the

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Speaker 1: type of dominant performance from a front that you were

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Speaker 1: looking for, and it really did seem to have Joe

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00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Burrow off kilter for much of this game.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I've said this all year that your

932
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Speaker 5: best players have to be your best players. Your role

933
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Speaker 5: players have to be attention to detail. The best players

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Speaker 5: were the best players today. The role players you have,

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Speaker 5: you know, some growing pains from Drew Phillips on the

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Speaker 5: hell Mary that they threw to Jamar Chase that only

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Speaker 5: he and Burrow could do. Drew Phillips was being a

938
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Speaker 5: spectator and if he should have stayed on the double team,

939
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Speaker 5: he probably has an interception there. On the Joe Burrow

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Speaker 5: forty seven yard run, it was three to one side,

941
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Speaker 5: one to the other. Somebody was supposed to loop around

942
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Speaker 5: and they did, but they stopped at the center. They

943
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Speaker 5: didn't come all the way around to balance it. And

944
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Speaker 5: that's where uh Burrow came out and it was actually

945
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Speaker 5: it was gonna set a trap because he probably saw

946
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Speaker 5: the genal Smith thing thinking I can just scamper and

947
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Speaker 5: if the looper comes around, he runs right into the

948
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Speaker 5: guy's arms and it didn't happen, and there was no

949
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Speaker 5: one else to get him to the ground. So, you know,

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Speaker 5: the role players in the attention to detail stuff is

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Speaker 5: the things that you know kind of puts it a

952
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Speaker 5: little in my opinion, puts a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: damper on what is without a doubt a hell of

954
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Speaker 5: a performance by the defense, but you just, you know, again,

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Speaker 5: you didn't do a enough.

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Speaker 3: While doing enough. If that makes any.

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Speaker 1: Sense, then how do you evaluate the issues on offense? Obviously,

958
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Speaker 1: only seven points against the Bengals defense that has struggled

959
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Speaker 1: not enough to win any game in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: So for me, I think, and you know, obviously coach

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Speaker 5: Daboll have to answer the question. But for me, I

962
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Speaker 5: thought he played to the worst instincts from a profile

963
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Speaker 5: perspective of your quarterback and did not exploit the worst

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Speaker 5: instincts from a profile perspective of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: You're passing the.

967
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Speaker 5: Ball which allowed Cincinnati to get early pressure, which you

968
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Speaker 5: know it's you know, it's no secret Daniel Jones gets

969
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Speaker 5: off kilter with pressure, so they wanted to do that

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Speaker 5: right away. And it's a defense that really could stopped

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Speaker 5: the run. And the Giants didn't really commit to the

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Speaker 5: run game until late when they got their first score,

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Speaker 5: and that's when they were running the football. But I thought,

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Speaker 5: maybe to get your offense in a rhythm and to

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Speaker 5: get your quarterback into a comfortable space, try you know,

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Speaker 5: being more having more concerted effort, in running the football.

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Speaker 1: In the first half, call just so you're the numbers

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Speaker 1: to back it up. Daniel Jones at five carries or

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Speaker 1: thirty seven yards, but the running backs Eric Grage's two

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Speaker 1: carries seven yards, Tyland Tracy just three carries for three yards.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that so you got five You got

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Speaker 5: five yards on five carries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean there were a couple of them that were

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Speaker 4: design runs for Jones, that's correct, But then.

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Speaker 5: Just running Yeah, I mean, listen, take Jones's runs out

987
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Speaker 5: of it, because that doesn't get him comfortable handing the

988
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Speaker 5: ball off and seeing the chains move. You have all

989
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Speaker 5: of your play action available, and again you let Cincinnati

990
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Speaker 5: off the hook like they're thirty something in run defense.

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Speaker 5: Stick with it. It's kind of reminds me of the

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Speaker 5: Dallas game when you just gave up on the run.

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Speaker 5: When Dallas, you know, came in here and they were

994
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Speaker 5: giving up two hundred and some yards a game and

995
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Speaker 5: you couldn't scrape one hundred because you did not commit

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Speaker 5: to it. Now, again, I don't sit in game plan meetings, right,

997
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Speaker 5: so that would be something you know, a coach would

998
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Speaker 5: have to answer. But I'm just saying from if I'm

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Speaker 5: looking at a team that can't stop something, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to give them a heavy dose of that and guard

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Speaker 5: against the things that can hurt my team, which means

1002
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Speaker 5: letting my quarterback get under pressure early and he's off

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Speaker 5: kilter in the offense is off kilter for the rest

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Speaker 5: of the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and then the player execution. I thought

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Speaker 4: the offensive line played one of their poorer games of

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Speaker 4: the game. They didn't yeah, run block well when they

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Speaker 4: had a chance to run, they didn't pass block well.

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Speaker 6: Uh, there was a lot of leaky pressure that got

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Speaker 6: in there.

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Speaker 4: And then you know the quarterback again, Carlon, We've been

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Speaker 4: as big as Daniel Jones supporters as possible, but you

1013
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Speaker 4: can't make that mistake at first and ten at the

1014
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Speaker 4: fourteen yard line. You got to just eat that ball

1015
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Speaker 4: when the pressure's coming in your face and take the sack.

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Speaker 4: With the situation in hand, down seven nothing, you've got

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Speaker 4: a good drive going.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and well not even that like eat the ball, yes,

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Speaker 5: but the decision that you made when you decided not

1020
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Speaker 5: to eat it, you threw it to the furthest point

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Speaker 5: on the field. If you're going to throw it away,

1022
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Speaker 5: either take a grounding or throw it to the sideline.

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Speaker 5: You're throwing it to the mid that without a doubt,

1024
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Speaker 5: anybody'll tell you want to put a ball in risk,

1025
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Speaker 5: throw it in the middle of the field, under the

1026
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 5: rest right the sidelines are your friend.

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Speaker 3: Throw it there. It's shortest distance you're trying to go from.

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Speaker 6: Where you were, probably about the twenty yard line.

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Speaker 5: And try to sail it out of the end zone

1030
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Speaker 5: with pressure on you.

1031
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: Throw it in the dirt. Throw it to the sideline.

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Speaker 3: That's the easiest thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Carl, the point I made earlier, you know

1034
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Speaker 4: again is just looking at this objectively.

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Speaker 6: Is you're you're in your.

1036
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Speaker 4: Sex like that that you can't make that mistake, like

1037
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Speaker 4: Burrow didn't make that mistake.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when he was under pressure.

1039
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Speaker 5: So again, you did not allow your quarterback. You played

1040
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Speaker 5: to us worse instincts early on. They got early pressure

1041
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 5: on him, and this is how you know he reverts

1042
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Speaker 5: to this type of stuff, bad decisions when he senses

1043
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: there's going to be pressure all game. And he had

1044
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Speaker 5: pressure all game. But it started off where you could

1045
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 5: have mitigated that by just committing to the run and

1046
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Speaker 5: imposing your role, because when you did, you had success.

1047
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 5: But you got discouraged. Well you didn't even start game

1048
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Speaker 5: with it.

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Speaker 1: But well I can say you got real quick. First drive,

1050
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: giants passed at four times. Yeah, they get the ball

1051
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: back the second their second possession, they run it. On

1052
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Speaker 1: their first play, they gained two yards, second and eight.

1053
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Speaker 1: They end up having an incomplete pass and a sack.

1054
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Speaker 1: Defensive holding gives them the first un first and ten.

1055
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Speaker 1: Wanda Robinson for seven, Tyrone Tracy for one third and two.

1056
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Speaker 1: They get nine yards and two more completions for fourteen

1057
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Speaker 1: yards and fifteen yards. Then you have the interception on

1058
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Speaker 1: your second possession. So they ran it twice in that possession,

1059
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Speaker 1: didn't really gain many yards. Next possession, Jones goes for

1060
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Speaker 1: thirteen on a keeper. He goes for eleven on a keeper,

1061
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Speaker 1: but again there was a sack in there and the

1062
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Speaker 1: end up having the punch football.

1063
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Speaker 2: So in their first three drives, just two running back runs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean listen, Jones. Running the football doesn't

1065
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Speaker 5: get Jones comfortable in the past game running backs running

1066
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: the football gets the offense in rhythm. It gets your

1067
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Speaker 5: offensive line, you know, kind of feeling like they can

1068
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 5: do an offset what the defense is doing. When you

1069
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 5: can play more physical, but they just did not. I

1070
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 5: feel like that was what they wanted to do this game.

1071
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Speaker 5: And obviously the Bengals were rated very low and they'll

1072
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Speaker 5: probably return to that with their next opponent because their

1073
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 5: next opponent is going to run it on them. They

1074
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 5: didn't fix anything because when they got a heavy dose

1075
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Speaker 5: of Tracy, they couldn't stop it.

1076
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Speaker 2: And I'll say this to Carl, it is disappointing.

1077
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Speaker 1: Even when they started running the ball, and you look

1078
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Speaker 1: at the overall running numbers for the Giants, they're still

1079
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Speaker 1: well in the four yards per carry, and that's with

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Speaker 1: twenty traditional runs between Tracy and Gray. It's not like

1081
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Speaker 1: once they started running the ball they were as productive

1082
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Speaker 1: as they.

1083
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Speaker 5: If you're not four yards to give, you're three yards

1084
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: of carrying. You got two of those.

1085
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Speaker 1: You're third and four, right, But you still only want

1086
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: them seven points because you know you can't gain any

1087
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: chunk plays in the run.

1088
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Speaker 5: Well, you get chunk plays in play action pass. But

1089
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Speaker 5: now that your quarterback is probably probably rattled, he's rattled,

1090
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: and his fell safe right now is to throw the

1091
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Speaker 5: ball to slate.

1092
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you at all.

1093
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Speaker 1: The only point I was making is that I don't

1094
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Speaker 1: think someone blocked well enough in the run game as

1095
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Speaker 1: well as they did.

1096
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, you're right. But when they when they

1097
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 5: made a concerted effort, they ran the ball well well enough. Yeah, yes,

1098
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 5: I gotcha. And that allows your play action pass to happen.

1099
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Speaker 5: And again, if you're getting two three yards, two yards

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Speaker 5: and you're in a third and five, it's still a

1101
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 5: dealer's choice. It's better than a third.

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00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: And ten, third and twelve, third and fifteen, even second

1103
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: and seven seven five Yeah.

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00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but you have to until you can

1105
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 5: start to get people to commit to the box to

1106
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 5: try to stop the run, they're gonna give you hell

1107
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 5: in the passing game. And Daniel Jones again, he reverts

1108
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 5: like there's there's if there's a tail for me, if

1109
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 5: I'm playing against him, hey get pressure early and his

1110
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 5: fell safe. Without a doubt, he's gonna go to Slayton anything.

1111
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: Whenever he's in trouble. He's going to Slaton because he

1112
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 5: feels more comfortable.

1113
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: There or neighbors if he's on the field.

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00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: Right, But there are two level patterns sometimes that Slayton

1115
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: probably wasn't the best option, and he chose it probably

1116
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 5: because he feels safe with him.

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00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1118
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: On that fourth down play, I mean Slayton was covered, yeah,

1119
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: and he was going to Slayton, it felt like regardless

1120
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: of that.

1121
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 3: And the second level was one Dell that was open.

1122
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and then you got the you know

1123
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: you have the third down play in the first half,

1124
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 4: you know you gotta hit one down.

1125
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 6: That's he got him on a deep crosser.

1126
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: Man, he's got his guy beat by three yards in

1127
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: the NFL. And it's not like he was getting smacked

1128
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: in the face in the NFL today, Like you have

1129
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: to make that throw. That's the throw that has to

1130
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 4: be made. Gets the fans all jacked up. You got

1131
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: a third down conversion. Defense isn't going back on the field,

1132
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: and you got Cincinnati on their heels a little bit

1133
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: because they've just given up a third down pass play

1134
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 4: and instead, boom, you're punting again.

1135
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: Listen, they have to fix some things, but they have

1136
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 5: to know who they are and knowing who you are

1137
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: and knowing that that also includes knowing who your quarterback.

1138
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 5: He's your quarterback. You're gonna have to do the things

1139
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 5: that he does well, and you have to get him

1140
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 5: into those situations so that he can function. It's just

1141
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 5: as simple as that. If you think you're gonna come

1142
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 5: out sling it all over the yard with this guy

1143
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 5: and let him get knocked around a little bit, he's

1144
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 5: not gonna function well. So you've got to you gotta

1145
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 5: have some type of complimentary football for him. And obviously

1146
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: he's got to make better decisions with the football under duress.

1147
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of work to do. But yeah,

1148
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 5: I don't think there's much soul searching. It's right in

1149
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: front of you. You just go do what you're supposed

1150
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: to do.

1151
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: And now the Giants, guys are two and four, and

1152
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: we'll be in a familiar position next week where the

1153
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: Giants need a win and what's still a very competitive

1154
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: NFC East, no one has fewer than two wasases, So

1155
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: the Giants just two games away from the first place commanders.

1156
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: The Eagles are sitting there at three and two, the

1157
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: Cowboys are three and three. Only two games separate all

1158
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: these teams. But you gotta start winning games. So now, guys,

1159
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: the next week, here comes the Eagles.

1160
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 5: The defense will travel. I feel comfortable that this defense

1161
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 5: will do a good job.

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00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: And the Eagles barely beat the Browns today, Yeah, Well, Carl,

1163
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because we were talking

1164
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: about it with.

1165
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 6: Jonathan two.

1166
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: You know, what's the most refunneling thing about all this,

1167
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned, is what happens at home.

1168
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: You think about the game in Washington, they moved the

1169
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: ball at ease, they didn't have a kicker. Neighbors drops

1170
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: the fourth down pass, but you feel like if Neighbors

1171
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: catches that pass, the Giants are gonna score and win

1172
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: that game. You think about the game in Cleveland Adversity,

1173
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: they moved the well, they even moved the ball into

1174
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: the third quarter, but then Singletary fumbled and you.

1175
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 6: Got to drop pass. And then in Seattle last week,

1176
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 6: no procedural penalties. They ran the.

1177
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 4: Ball, they threw the ball, they hit big plays, they.

1178
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 6: Play at home.

1179
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable how it almost looks like a completely different

1180
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: And the fans were the fans were pretty generous tonight.

1181
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 5: They stay hung in there, man, the fans hung in there.

1182
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: But again, you played to your worst instincts and don't

1183
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 5: exploit the other team's instincts, so you didn't do yourself

1184
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 5: any favors. And this is just my opinion. If I

1185
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 5: got a team who can't stop a nose bleed. I'm

1186
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna make them. I'm gonna make them live

1187
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 5: up to that show me that you can't stop a

1188
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 5: those bleed, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it to

1189
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 5: you until you prove it. But they started the game passing.

1190
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: You got the quarterback hit early, and then it just

1191
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 5: he just never settled in. The offense didn't settle in,

1192
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 5: you know. And on the road, they were running the

1193
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 5: football and they were effective, and they were on schedule,

1194
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 5: and they were complimentary in those phases. Run past today,

1195
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 5: I didn't feel that it was a complimentary effort.

1196
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: It was past past pass.

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00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 5: Okay, we're going to have a series of runs, and

1198
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 5: then you scrore on that, and then it's pass past

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00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 5: pass right, and it's still a close game. And then

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00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 5: you know you can run it when you have to

1201
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 5: get fourth in ones or fourth and twos. You got

1202
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: what three or four of those today, and yet you

1203
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 5: just don't keep the train on, keep the train running.

1204
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 5: So I listen, it's an l there's work to be done.

1205
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 5: But I think they know what's in front of him,

1206
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 5: and they just have to do a better job at

1207
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: playing to their stremps and exploiting the other team's weaknesses.

1208
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 5: Because that's what Cincinnati did to this Giant offense. They

1209
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 5: exploit it a weakness.

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: Final thoughts with Eagles on.

1211
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 4: The horizon, Listen, defense, keep playing, doing what you're doing,

1212
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 4: and hopefully the Giants can figure out why they can't

1213
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 4: move the ball and score at home, because I have

1214
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: no answers.

1215
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 5: For well, it's not as much as what the other

1216
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 5: folks is doing are doing, it's what you're not doing

1217
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 5: and gotta be better. As simple as that.

1218
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: Carl Bob with See you guys next week.

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more as we continue on Giants Extra

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Speaker 1: Point The Giants fall to the Bengals seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 1: Giants falls with the Bengals on Sunday Night Football seventeen

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Speaker 1: to seven.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, the Giants outgained the Bengals in

1239
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: this game three hundred and nine yards of three hundred

1240
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: and four about equal for the Giants individually. Daniel Jones

1241
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: finished twenty two or forty one two hundred five yards,

1242
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: no touchdowns. In interception running the football, Jones led the

1243
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: way eleven carries for fifty six yards. Tyrone Chasey seventeen

1244
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: carries for fifty yards. He had a rushing touchdown in

1245
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: this game. Eric Gray three carries for thirteen yards. It

1246
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: was a team effort in the passing game on eleven targets.

1247
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Darius Leane had six catches for fifty seven yards. Six

1248
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: catches fifty seven yards as well for Tyrone, Tracy Wando

1249
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: Robinson five catches fifty yards, Theo Johnson three catches thirty

1250
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: yards and a catch apiece for Jalen Hyatt and Isaiah Hodgens.

1251
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: Defensively for the Giants, it was really a heck of

1252
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: a game. Tyler Newman led the way with nine tackles.

1253
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Brian Burns his best game as a Giant, eight tackles,

1254
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: one sack, two tackles for losses in the run game,

1255
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: another quarterback in addition to that sack, Azizo Jalari stebbing

1256
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: it for table came on Tivodeau. Four tackles, two tackles

1257
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: for loss Those were his two sacks. Those were his

1258
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: two quarterback hits. He had a forced fumble in this

1259
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: game as well. They gave credit to a Karac for

1260
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: that four soble. I think it was o Jlari down

1261
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: knocked in. I will see on further review who gets

1262
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: credit for that one. Mike McFadden had a fumble, recovery

1263
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: and a force fumble in this game. He had five

1264
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: tackles and overall the defense played pretty well for the Bengals.

1265
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow nineteen of twenty eight, two hundred eight yards,

1266
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: no touchdowns, no picks. He did add that long forty

1267
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: seven yard touchdown run. Four carries fifty five yards to

1268
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: lead the way for the Bengals, Chase Brown ten carries

1269
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: fifty three yards, Zach Lost six carries thirteen yards. In

1270
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: the game, Giants controlled the Bengals wide receiver seven catches

1271
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven yards for Chie Higgins, Jamar Chase, five catches

1272
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: for seventy two yards Yoshivas two catches for thirty six yards,

1273
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: two catches for Chase Brown and eric Alll Zach Moss

1274
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: with the catch out of the backfield. And then defensively

1275
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: for the Bengals, Trey Hendrickson again we talked about him

1276
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: being the best pass rusher and defensive player really on

1277
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: their roster, and he showed up beating Andrew Thomas for

1278
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: two sacks in this game a couple of big ones too,

1279
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: so a really nice game for Trey Hendrickson. He had

1280
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: another quarterback hit in addition to that for the Bengals,

1281
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: and bj Hill had a couple of quarterbacks it hits

1282
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: in this game. He also had a couple of passes

1283
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: defended as well. So overall, those are your numbers, those

1284
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: are your stats. Team stat wise, in this game, I

1285
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: mentioned the total yard is. The Giants were not great

1286
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: situationally in this game, just five of fifteen on third downs,

1287
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: the Bengals were four of eleven. Giants finished with one

1288
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen rushing yards Bengals had one hundred and

1289
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: twenty one, and overall, the Giants just were not able

1290
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: to close out this game and score enough points to

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00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: walk away with the victory. Please stick with us if

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Speaker 1: you're listening on our local flagstip station WFAN here in

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01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: New York, but it is time to say goodbye to

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: our affiliates across the country on the Giants Radio Network.

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01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: Our next broadcast will.

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Speaker 1: Be next Sunday when the Giants host the Philadelphia Eagles

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: with our pregame.

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Speaker 2: Show beginning at noon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to us tonight, and we'll see you

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: next week on the WFAN Giants Radio Network. But we're

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Speaker 1: not done right here on WFAN in New York, Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Casias and Paul Datino rejoin and we'll take your calls

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Speaker 1: at eight eight eight eight oh eight one zero one

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Speaker 1: nine eight eight eight eight oh eight one zero one nine.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get more sound from the locker room as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll continue breaking it all down for you right here

1307
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Speaker 1: on Giants extra point. Giants fall to the Bengals seventeen

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Speaker 1: to seven. We'll be like that.

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Speaker 6: Wanted to go. This could be the ballgame.

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01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 4: Fourth and three at the thirty six, Remember Joseph just

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Speaker 4: missed the forty seven yarder. Tracy the tailback, three receivers

1312
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Speaker 4: stack right, Jones takes the stop back to throw over

1313
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: the middle pass a complete and no flag of the

1314
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: way attendant for slate DJ Turner on the.

1315
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: Coverage, and that was our Giants turning point of the game.

1316
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Wasn't a boomer?

1317
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: In g one Wfan tomorrow morning in a nine am

1318
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: hour with the Giants turning point contest, the first correct

1319
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: card to name the game turning point will.

1320
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: Win two take into an upcoming Giants home game.

1321
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: Bob mentioned the time and the score. It was a

1322
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: fourth and two, technically it was really more like two

1323
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: and a half. After Tyrone Tracy slipped down on the

1324
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: previous run lost to yard was really put him in

1325
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: a tough spot in that fourth and fourth and two

1326
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: and a half.

1327
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: Jones tried to go to Slaton over the middle.

1328
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: DJ Tournament a really nice play coming down from up top,

1329
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: reaching over and Frankly. The pass is also a little

1330
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: bit behind Slayton going over the middle, which allowed Turning

1331
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: to get his hand in there and knock it away.

1332
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: The Brown's got the Browns.

1333
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: The Bengals got the ball back, and then after getting

1334
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: one first down on a really nice pass from Joe

1335
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: Burrow rolling to his left, hitting Yoshi Vas for a

1336
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: twenty nine yard game Chase Brown fumbles on the next run.

1337
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: The Giants can't recover it, and then Brown one.

1338
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: Play later runs thirty yards for the touchdown to put

1339
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: the game away and give the Bengals their final seventeen

1340
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: to seven victory. Darius Slayton, who was the target of

1341
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: that pass, he was the Giants' most targeted receiver in

1342
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: this game.

1343
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: He spoke to the media after the game, what's listening.

1344
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 19: Cantots that are sometimes hard to avoid, like the one long,

1345
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 19: long running catch I had, Like it's ourba.

1346
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: It happens sometimes like get illegal man downfield because the

1347
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 3: line are blocking a run.

1348
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 19: But in other areas, you know, we could just be better,

1349
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 19: you know, whether that's running a better route and making

1350
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 19: a play, or you know, getting a hat on a

1351
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 19: hat in the run game and getting a more effective run.

1352
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 16: So look like like he made a concentrated after the

1353
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 16: takeaways he exposed.

1354
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: Is this something they showed different this week than they

1355
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: been doing it at first five?

1356
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: They threw a couple a couple of different looks.

1357
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 20: But I mean I would I would say we we

1358
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 20: also just didn't hit 'em. You know, we had u

1359
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 20: We had a couple of chances at some shots we

1360
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 20: just couldn't connect on for whatever reason.

1361
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 19: But you know they you know, they came over to

1362
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 19: decent ecu.

1363
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 16: How frustrated you just spool with the slip where your

1364
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 16: old the deals on explosive offense.

1365
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: To set to mace ten, that's offense.

1366
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: Bats go up a little bit short hair on that. No,

1367
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: it's extremely frustratation. Why defense played your butts off.

1368
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 19: And you know, as a as a you know, offensive player,

1369
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 19: you know you want to score the reward their efforts,

1370
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 19: you know. So that's why I just said, you know,

1371
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 19: we have to do a better job of finishing drives

1372
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 19: and finishing in the enzie.

1373
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: Well that's the offense befomed better on the road than.

1374
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 19: At home this year, more convincidence and everything. Honestly, is

1375
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 19: it's not like I said, It's not that we hadn't

1376
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 19: even magical players in a row, but we didn't.

1377
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 6: We don't have at home.

1378
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 19: It's just we just didn't make the ones tonight that

1379
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 19: we did.

1380
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 12: There's the way things are shaping up in the division.

1381
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 12: You know what happened today, I mean to make it

1382
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 12: doubly frustrating that. I mean, the door seems open here

1383
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 12: in the division. And you know, yeah, I.

1384
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: Mean it's a long season.

1385
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 6: You know, the division races.

1386
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 19: It is what it is, you know, you know, you

1387
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 19: know what the records are, the other teams are, what

1388
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 19: our record is.

1389
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of football.

1390
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 19: Games left and ultimately, if we can win our games

1391
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 19: in our division will help us out. So we got

1392
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 19: one coming up this week, so we got to do

1393
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 19: our best to go get that win.

1394
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: You take us through the and now we're rejoined by

1395
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: Paul Latino and Jonathan can see us and guys, I

1396
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: think Darius hit that out of the park. He talked

1397
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: about all the ways the Giants missed opportunities in this game,

1398
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: whether it was misspasses, the one big exposal to play

1399
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: they had the entire game. It gets called back because

1400
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas's five yards downfield on an RPL. And you

1401
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: know what's funny, if you were watching it from up

1402
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: here on the press box, you saw all the players

1403
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: running down in the field. There was one player that

1404
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: stood there at the line of scrimmage and did not

1405
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: move because he knew he committed a penalty.

1406
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: On the play.

1407
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: It was Andrew Thomas. He knew he committed the penalty.

1408
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: He did not go down the field. He saw the flag,

1409
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: he saw the replay on TV.

1410
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: He hung his head. He knew he made the mistake.

1411
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: Then you had guys are unable to uncover, unable to

1412
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: recover that snap. Just a mix of failures and important

1413
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: opportunities and chances of big plays, Paul, where they were

1414
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: just unable again their longest plays fifteen yards. It's gonna

1415
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: be hard to win games on your longest plays fifteen yards.

1416
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 21: It's really a shame because after what they've done in

1417
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 21: the last month, and yeah, they fritted away games to

1418
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 21: Dallas and Washington with dropped passes. More than anything else

1419
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 21: this game, they failed on a lot of different fronts.

1420
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 21: It wasn't just simply dropped passes that cost them a game.

1421
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 21: They did a lot of really bad things during the

1422
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 21: course of this game. And you know as well as

1423
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 21: the defense played on the whole. Giving Joe Burrow a

1424
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 21: forty seven yard scramble for a touchdown when.

1425
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: Half of the field is totally empty is not good.

1426
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: But they gave us seventeen points. I don't care how

1427
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: they scored their seventeen points. They gave up seventeen points,

1428
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: I know.

1429
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: And that should be enough for John.

1430
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why that that is such a mixed

1431
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: reaction to me, because there were several key plays where

1432
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals we talk about, and they made those plays

1433
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: and the Giants didn't, right.

1434
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: And Jase, I know you kind of raised your eyebrows.

1435
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: Darius Ling was asked during that media availability about and

1436
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: it was a good question, why can't the Giants seem

1437
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: to do well at home and score at home and

1438
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: their offense looks different at home? And he said, it's

1439
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: a coincidence. I don't I don't think you're buying that

1440
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: based on your reaction.

1441
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. That's literally what I've

1442
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: been saying when Bob was here to figure it.

1443
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: Out the thing, because I mean, maybe it is a coincidence.

1444
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. He could be right.

1445
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't know. I'm from Jersey, you know. And

1446
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: for me, I have relished opportunity to play here in

1447
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: front of my family of my friends at night game

1448
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: with everybody's watching the one game that's on the entire world,

1449
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 3: the entire football world. Fans all around are watching this game.

1450
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 3: I relish the opportunity to do that. And I'm not

1451
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 3: saying they're scared, but they looked like it when they

1452
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: playing today. They looked like it when they played all

1453
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: of the other games that we've watched here, sat here

1454
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 3: and talked through those games. They don't look like the

1455
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: same team. I don't know what it is, but I'm

1456
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: sitting here looking at these stats and I just pulled

1457
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: up all of the drives. And after that first touchdown

1458
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: drive from the Bengals, they forced five punts in a

1459
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 3: row the New York Giants defense, Yeah, and had a

1460
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: turn on.

1461
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: If you told me before the game the Giants forced

1462
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: five punts all game, all game, I would have signed

1463
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: up for it.

1464
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: Yep. And then they actually forced the fumble and you know,

1465
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 3: the beginning the second half, yep. And they actually scored

1466
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: a touchdown off of that, which was which was good.

1467
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 3: But like there was no momentum. You know, we talk

1468
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: about that, that word momentum. You saw it last week

1469
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: in Seattle where the Giants played pretty good offense, pretty

1470
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 3: efficient offense, penalty free, mistake free.

1471
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: Football, undred twenty yards of offense. Man, it was a really

1472
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: good offensive game.

1473
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: You talk about tonight where they just couldn't get anything

1474
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: going and the fans, Bob was talking about it earlier.

1475
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 3: The fans gave them a chance for a long time. Tonight.

1476
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: They were in it the whole game, but you can

1477
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 3: see the energy level just kind of getting depleted every

1478
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: single time the Giants punted the football and didn't capitalize

1479
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: on the Bengals. The Bengals offense is I think a

1480
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: prolific offense. You take away that first game against the Patriots.

1481
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 3: They've put up a.

1482
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: Lot of points, twenty five or more points in every game,

1483
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 1: at least thirty four in their last.

1484
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: Thirty four and three right in the last three games.

1485
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 3: So you talk about a defense stepping up to the task.

1486
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: After getting hit in the mouth right away in the game,

1487
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, giving up that touchdown in the first drive

1488
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: from the Bengals, they did what they were supposed to do,

1489
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 3: you know, defensively throughout the year. You put goals up right,

1490
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 3: it's always the you know, win the division, whatever it is,

1491
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 3: but it's the whole opponents to seventeen points or less.

1492
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: The Giants hit the mark that from the teams I've

1493
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: played on, that was the number, was that the number seventeen,

1494
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 3: seventeen was the number because that will give your chance,

1495
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 3: your offensive chance to do something to win the game.

1496
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 3: You're gonna force turnovers, you're gonna force punts. Seventeen points

1497
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 3: means you're stifling an offense to a certain degree.

1498
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: Now, let's be honest.

1499
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: In a game like this, you're gonna play against Joe Burrow,

1500
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: you're probably maybe not saying it low, but you're whispering

1501
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: to each other. You know what, even if we hold

1502
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: like twenty three, that's pretty good one hundred percent.

1503
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 3: And we were talking about it before the game. How

1504
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: many points do they need to win this game the Giants?

1505
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 3: I said thirty.

1506
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: During the week, I said minimum twenty seven.

1507
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: But you would probably and that's even with getting sacks

1508
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: on Joe Burrow, because I haven't seen Joe Burrow not

1509
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 3: look like Joe Burrow before tonight. But the Giants did

1510
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: that to him, Joe Burrow did not look like Joe

1511
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: Burrow tonight for majority of the night. At times he did,

1512
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 3: like Bob Papa said, a couple of plays where he

1513
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: was just getting a the sack that Dexter Lawrence had

1514
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 3: old Ja Lai was in his face. He made old

1515
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 3: Jalry missy, you know. But the Giants had an unrelenting

1516
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: pass brush the entire game. They did do that the

1517
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: entire game. They was after Joe Burrow the entire game. So,

1518
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: like Bob was saying, you can't say anything about the

1519
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: defense because even if they didn't play a perfect game,

1520
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: they did give up seventeen points. That is enough, especially

1521
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: at home against Cincinnati Bengals. The Giants have to figure

1522
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: out what's going on here. I don't know what it is.

1523
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the nerves playing like you know,

1524
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 3: your families are here and you gotta you know, handle

1525
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 3: the tickets or whatever the case is, because there's there's

1526
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: a lot of things that you deal with at home

1527
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 3: that you don't deal with on the road. You know,

1528
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: on the road, it's just the guys and the coaches.

1529
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: There's no wives, you know what I mean, Like, you

1530
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: don't really see. You don't have to handle all of

1531
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 3: that extra stuff and you just get down to business.

1532
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that you have to handle

1533
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: when you're here at home and then a night game.

1534
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 3: The difference between one o'clock game in the night game

1535
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: is of course the time. But when you get up

1536
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: from a one o'clock game, you get up and get

1537
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: right to the stadium. Usually when you get up for

1538
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: a night game, you go home, you can talk to

1539
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 3: the family, you get to do certain things. It's a

1540
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 3: different feel, it's a different day when you play at night.

1541
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 3: There's a lot of hours between when you wake up

1542
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,839
Speaker 3: and you actually gotta report.

1543
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: Just say it from I'm not a player, but I

1544
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: went to my kids swim lesson today. You're able to

1545
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: do stot today, right, I mean normally on a Sunday,

1546
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm shot today.

1547
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: I went to my kids swim lesson at telve o'clock.

1548
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: He's like good. There's different things that happen throughout the day,

1549
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 3: different distractions which are normal every day to day things.

1550
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: But it's not the same with a one o'clock kickoff

1551
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 3: compared to an eight o'clock kickoff. You have a lot

1552
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 3: of hours in a day to be distracted. I don't

1553
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 3: know if that's the deal with the Giants, but they

1554
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 3: have to figure this out because the Giants are not

1555
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: gonna continuously get these home games at night. They're not

1556
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: gonna get them, am I right?

1557
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: Like that?

1558
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 3: Eventually the NFL is gonna be like, we can't play

1559
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 3: these guys at nighttime.

1560
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, the Giants don't have any more night home games

1561
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: left on the schedule. They're only nine game left I

1562
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: believe is at Pittsburgh, correct ball, I'm not missing any right.

1563
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 21: Yeah, Jonathan, to be fair, go back thirty forty years,

1564
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 21: this team has never been a very good primetime team.

1565
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: They just checked play.

1566
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: We won some night game, but here even primetime aside

1567
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: just at home this year.

1568
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, especially in the first half.

1569
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 21: You know, you know what's really funny. We can sit

1570
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 21: here for the next five hours if we wanted to.

1571
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 21: We're not and talk.

1572
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: No, we want it, and I don't think either. I

1573
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: don't think any of us want to do that either.

1574
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 2: You do, But we could No, I don't. We could.

1575
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 21: We could sit here and do that and still, in

1576
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 21: spite of everything that happened, with two minutes to go,

1577
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 21: mikel McFadden punches the ball out forces a fumble, and

1578
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 21: the Giants are only down by one score. And that

1579
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 21: ball bounces around, takes about eight yards down the field,

1580
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 21: and nobody lands on the ball. They can't recover the

1581
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 21: stink and fumble.

1582
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: After everything that they did and the Bengals did or

1583
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: didn't do, the Giants still had one more chance, right,

1584
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: and and the black magic of the football guy. No no, no, no,

1585
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 1: no no, not if they would not let the Giants

1586
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: get the ball. No, they didn't let themselves get the ball.

1587
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: Jason Bindock could have picked up the ball. There wasn't

1588
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: some magical spell it was. It wasn't a leficent sooping

1589
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: down from the end zone casting the world pushing the

1590
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: ball out of bout.

1591
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: How did that ball bounce away? He just didn't pick

1592
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: it up, dud.

1593
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 3: I think, I think, if, if, if you can see

1594
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: what Paul de Tino looks like the beginning of the game.

1595
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: And this is I'm not killing Jason Pinnock. The footballs

1596
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: they bounced weird directions, yeah they do.

1597
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: It's a tough play, but they do.

1598
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 3: But if if you guys can see what Paul looked

1599
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: like before the game, how giddy he was, how happy

1600
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: he was. You know that the you know, the the

1601
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: anthem for the show. He's dancing to that, and then

1602
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 3: you look at him. Now, I love you, Paul. He's dishuffled.

1603
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: He got his tie and button, he got his top,

1604
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 3: but now he's prouded. All right, I'm gonna let you

1605
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 3: guys calm down. And by the way, guys, I see

1606
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 3: your calls. That will get to your first call, and

1607
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get to you in this segment. But first, Uh,

1608
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: Brian Dables asked about Andrew Thomas after the game.

1609
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: He got banged up at some point. I didn't even

1610
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: notice during the game, but he did. He was asked

1611
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, we do have Andrew Thomas out from

1612
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: the locker room. Great job by Pete Hoffman getting it.

1613
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: So let's hear from Andrew downstairs and see what's going

1614
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: on with.

1615
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 3: Him about your ankle.

1616
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 15: Do you know when it happened?

1617
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 3: Was there a specific player just wearing tear somewhere on

1618
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: the scorn drop her hair?

1619
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 10: We say, you need the MRI to see what's potentially

1620
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 10: wrong him and he Are you concerned about this?

1621
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 3: I guess is it a worry? And I will say

1622
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly. We'll see I don't know.

1623
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 11: Kind of struggle and just get back to the line.

1624
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: It's just.

1625
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 13: You're always, uh, you're always pretty critical of your own Like,

1626
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 13: how do you feel like you played tonight?

1627
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: Right?

1628
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: Happy enough?

1629
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 15: What happened on the penalty? It was a RPO similar

1630
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 15: play happened? Uh, first to see how the last week

1631
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 15: they didn't call it. So sometimes it's it's just fifty fifty.

1632
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 15: Sometimes they call it.

1633
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 11: Sometimes they don't sit you know right away, those things

1634
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 11: like why was it such a struggle at the run

1635
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 11: game going tonight?

1636
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: Uh, they did a good job of moving up front.

1637
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 15: They brought seen different pressures they saw on film that

1638
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 15: we've you know, run the bar pretty well when we

1639
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 15: were stagging it, so they had a lot of different

1640
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 15: looks so to different or sometimes they were playing based

1641
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 15: personnel kind of.

1642
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: To the tar sub runs and blitzing. They did a

1643
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 3: good job with him.

1644
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 22: Is that different before you guys saw in the film

1645
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 22: with their most recent games or whatever.

1646
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 15: You we saw pressure on film, but uh, we just

1647
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 15: didn't do a good job of executing.

1648
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 17: What did you think of Dave All's aggressive, nasty one

1649
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 17: for a bunch of fourth fourth downs there.

1650
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he told us it was gonna be aggressive.

1651
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 15: They have an explosive offense, and our defense did a

1652
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 15: a great job of hoe them on our mindset to thea.

1653
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of points.

1654
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 9: We didn't do that today because you feel like you

1655
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 9: had a little bit of a rhythm going when he

1656
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 9: was going for those fourth downs. I mean it seemed

1657
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 9: like if you were going to huddle, he seemed like

1658
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 9: a little bit of a rhythm during that stretch there.

1659
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 15: Yeah, like when we huddle, they either they were called

1660
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 15: different pressures and bringing in a different personnel group. So

1661
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 15: we knew that we would be on the ball quick

1662
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 15: different NASCAR terms, and that was working for us.

1663
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 5: And just to execute good enough in the red zone.

1664
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 3: Thanks if you like, this is a big misopportunity for

1665
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: you guys.

1666
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 11: You know, if you had five hundred going into the

1667
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 11: Philly game next week, you can said obviously two and fourth.

1668
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean we want to win every game. I

1669
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 15: think we had a good plan, just they didn't play

1670
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 15: well enough.

1671
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: So if he hurt his foot on the Giants scoring

1672
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: drive in the third quarter, that means there were two

1673
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: meaningful drives in the fourth quarter that he played with

1674
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: the injury, the one that ended in the great Joseph

1675
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: miss field goal, and then the final one that ended

1676
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: on the or next to last one that ended on

1677
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: the Darius Slayton fell to failed fourth down conversion attempt

1678
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: with three h five. They will then, of course, he

1679
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: had the final drive with the Giants are down two scores, they.

1680
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: Tried to, you know, kick the field goal. Another mister

1681
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: from Greg Joseph.

1682
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: So, guys, that's obviously something we'll have to keep an

1683
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: eye on here as we move forward in next week

1684
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: against the Eagles. We all know how big of a

1685
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: deal Andrew Thomas is. We saw what happened when he

1686
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: got hurt last year. I think they're better equipped to

1687
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: deal with the potential Andrew Thomas injury this year, but

1688
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: it would still be a tremendous loss.

1689
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 21: Even though a Zudo has been practicing is the swing guy.

1690
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:31,879
Speaker 2: I think Neo.

1691
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: Goes to right tackle if this goes down and alumin

1692
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: Or goes to left tackle.

1693
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe that's what they would do. You don't,

1694
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1695
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: Only be before the year I would have said, yes,

1696
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The fact that Evan Neil has

1697
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: not played one snap of football in a regular season

1698
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: game this year, and a Zudu is the extra offensive lineman.

1699
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: That hasn't changed your mind at all?

1700
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 21: No, No, I think I think that's I would I

1701
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 21: would go with the two Vets who have had more experience,

1702
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 21: even though Neil hasn't played this year.

1703
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 2: How about you, JC?

1704
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. We were trying to figure it

1705
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: out before the game, and it was a surprise to

1706
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 3: me that Evan Neale had zero snaps even on special teams.

1707
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 3: Or is it extra lineman? I know, I don't you know,

1708
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 3: I don't know if they don't fall out of favor

1709
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 3: with them, but that's a weird thing for me to

1710
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: be an active offensive lineman and not get in the

1711
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: game at all.

1712
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind, the Giants are one of the

1713
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: only teams in the league that have had all their

1714
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: starting offensive line and play one hundred percent of the snaps,

1715
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: so their five starters have not missed a snap. Correct,

1716
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: So the only way he could have played is if

1717
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: he was the extra offensive lineman or was on field

1718
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: goal or extra point protection something like that.

1719
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: That's not like I've played in the league long enough

1720
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 3: to understand how offensive line works, you know, and back

1721
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 3: in the day when they had the three man wedge

1722
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,879
Speaker 3: on kickoffs and I mean some kickoff returnsore not anymore,

1723
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 3: but the extra point field goals. You always bring an

1724
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: extra lineman when you go heavy down in the red zone,

1725
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 3: low red zone, when you want to run the football,

1726
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: you bring an extra lineman. And it was a big

1727
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 3: surprise to me that he got zero offensive snaps. And

1728
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: there's not too many guys that suit up on an

1729
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: active roster that don't play at all.

1730
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: Well, Stinney, I guess probably had. I don't know what

1731
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: Stinney snapcount has.

1732
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 21: Been this year, it's been If he's seen any, it's

1733
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 21: very low. Yeah, if any at all. Here's what I

1734
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 21: will say, Jonathan about that the Giants were really concerned

1735
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 21: about rebuilding Evan Neial not only because of his injury

1736
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 21: and slow coming back off the foot, but I think

1737
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 21: psychologically and emotionally, he had been really damaged by the

1738
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 21: fact that he couldn't get on the field, he couldn't improve,

1739
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 21: he couldn't answer some of his critics.

1740
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,480
Speaker 2: He was really in a bad spot.

1741
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 21: And maybe they feel as though as they were bringing

1742
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 21: him back and We've talked to the coaches who have

1743
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 21: been very, very complimentary of him in practice. That may

1744
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 21: not mean anything, but they have been implementary about him practicing.

1745
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 21: In fact, coach Priscillo and coach Dable have made it

1746
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 21: a point the last two weeks to say he has

1747
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 21: been playing exclusively at right tackle in practice, because the

1748
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 21: writers keep saying is he playing guard?

1749
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 2: Are you trying to mcguard?

1750
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: In fact, Dabel has asked that this week and he

1751
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: said he's been playing exclusively right that's it.

1752
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: He is practicing it right tackle. I think they've been

1753
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: very careful.

1754
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: In trying to rebuild him, if you will, not just

1755
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: physically but emotionally.

1756
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: So maybe that's why they haven't put him in special teams.

1757
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: And again, guys, we have no idea what Andrew Thomas'

1758
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: injury situation is. He did finish the game, so that's

1759
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: a good sign that he didn't have to leave the

1760
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: game with the injury. Then again, he finished the first

1761
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: game last year with the hamstring and then three or

1762
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: four weeks we have no idea what the status is.

1763
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: They'll do more testing this week.

1764
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: We'll find out when Brian Dable, so I'm sure he's

1765
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: not gonna have anything tomorrow. So we'll find out when

1766
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: we hear from Brian Dable on Wednesday at his press conference.

1767
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: They give us an idea of what his status might be.

1768
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: All right, Ita, eight one zero one nine. Let's go

1769
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: to a Nico and north Bergen before we take our

1770
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: first break.

1771
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Nico, what's going on? Buddy? What's up?

1772
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 21: Guys?

1773
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 23: I'm on my way home from the game, and uh,

1774
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 23: you know, the crowd was into it is electric, but

1775
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 23: typical giant they let us down, you know what I mean.

1776
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 23: And the one thing that really makes my skin crawl, okay,

1777
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 23: is the game is Momentum is the key to football,

1778
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 23: right the Giants they go, They Electri kick the steel goal.

1779
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 23: The steel goal kicker misses it. And the thing that

1780
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 23: makes my skin crawl is everybody who's running up to

1781
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 23: him give him a pat on the butt, kissing his cheek. Oh,

1782
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,440
Speaker 23: do better next time, you know what I mean. That's

1783
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 23: not how you win games. I'm sorry, you know what

1784
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 23: I mean.

1785
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: Well, we go real quick. The problem. The problem is Deco.

1786
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: It's not like they can say, all right, we don't

1787
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: trust you anymore. We're gonna have some other dude kick.

1788
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: There's no other dude to kick.

1789
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: Well, so they have no other dance. But do you

1790
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 2: try to encourage him so he makes the next one?

1791
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 23: And I understand that, but it's a theme.

1792
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: You know.

1793
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 23: I've been listening to you guys since you guys been

1794
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 23: on the air.

1795
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 24: Okay.

1796
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 23: I remember when the Giants lost you couldn't hear a

1797
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 23: pin drop in the locker room. Now every time they

1798
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 23: lose it, I'm listening to you as your chatter in

1799
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 23: the background. You hear this, You hear that they don't care.

1800
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 23: Nobody cares. You know why, because they make too much

1801
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 23: money and nobody cares about Only the fans care. I'm serious,

1802
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 23: And you guys are talking about Jason. How many times

1803
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 23: in the last forty times? Forty times we played silly?

1804
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 23: How many times? How many games have we won? Forty games?

1805
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 23: How many games have we won?

1806
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: Take a guess, not.

1807
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: A lot, but Nico, not a ton. But the Good

1808
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: News didn't appreciate the call. They did beat Philly the

1809
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: last time they played last year, Jace.

1810
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 3: I mean, look, yeah, let me address this, Nico. I've

1811
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 3: had this debate not too long ago. It was a

1812
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago where they were like, you know,

1813
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: the fans care more than the players because the players

1814
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: make a lot of money and not really worre about it.

1815
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 3: I used to get depressed when we used to lose games,

1816
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: Like I used to not talk to people. I'm a

1817
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: whole different person, you know, And I know I'm not

1818
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: the only one. And I know it's not that much

1819
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 3: different than when I played. I'm not that old, you know,

1820
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm thirty seven. There's some guys that's my age in

1821
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 3: the league still okay, you know in quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers shot.

1822
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: But it affects you, it really does. And what what

1823
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 3: guys try to do? They try to act normal after

1824
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 3: a loss, but it's it's almost a facade for most guys.

1825
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: It's almost a facade. You're trying to act normal, but

1826
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: it affects you. You are different when you go home

1827
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: around your family, the energy is different. You try not

1828
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: to be that way because that's not a good way

1829
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: to be, but it's almost impossible to do, you know.

1830
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: So the locker room is a lot different, Paul, you

1831
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 3: know that it's tremendously different. Last week, I remember hearing

1832
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 3: the interviews last week. It was so loud in the background.

1833
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 3: After every year, every audio. Yeah, you're gonna hear it

1834
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 3: a little bit of chatter, but you're not hearing music playing.

1835
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: You're not hearing none of that stuff. You know, but

1836
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 3: you gotta have some type of normalcy after a loss.

1837
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 3: But you're not like the guys feel defeated. They're not

1838
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: the same people after a win and after a loss.

1839
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 3: They do care. These guys are in this league because

1840
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 3: they care. Yes, they're talented, but you don't get talented,

1841
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 3: you don't get committed. You don't get to this level

1842
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: without having a level of care. You don't do it.

1843
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talented guys that's not in the

1844
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: NFL because they didn't care enough. These guys in the NFL.

1845
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 3: And this is the thing about the NFL and the

1846
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,440
Speaker 3: NBA and all of the pro sports. You get prodded

1847
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 3: and tested for literally a decade before you get to

1848
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: this pro level. High school college, you get tested, you

1849
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 3: get you know, mentally examined, you get physically examined. You

1850
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 3: go to the combine, they're pulling on your knee, they're twisting,

1851
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 3: you're doing all kinds of things. These guys care more

1852
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 3: than I think most people care about what they do

1853
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: because it takes a high level of focus and concentration

1854
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 3: for a long period of time. I'm talking about not

1855
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: two three years, I'm talking about a decade at least

1856
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 3: of you performing at the highest level. Through injuries, through losses,

1857
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. You have to have some type

1858
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 3: of semblance of normalcy after a loss. Yeah, you can't

1859
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 3: just go to locker room to be all dejected. Everybody

1860
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: got their heads down. That's literally one thing that we

1861
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 3: try not to do is not put your head down

1862
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: after a loss. Do you feel it, yes? Do you

1863
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 3: try to have a conversation with a teammate, yes, It

1864
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 3: is definitely not the same. And to say that these

1865
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 3: guys don't care, I don't think you understand what it

1866
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 3: really takes to be a professional athlete, because these guys

1867
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: do care. And there's a lot of sad Giant players

1868
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: right now. We're sad, but you we're not as sad

1869
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 3: as them. It might not affect their play, excuse me,

1870
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 3: their pay. Excuse me. It might have affect their pay,

1871
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: but it affects them for sure. They've worked all their

1872
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 3: lives for this. They've been thinking about this game. When

1873
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 3: when you get to schedule, you look at the schedule.

1874
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 3: You see the night games, your family calls you, Hey, man,

1875
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 3: I want to go to this game on this date.

1876
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 2: Dude?

1877
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: How psyched did Brian Burns look to play in a

1878
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: sunny night game? I mean, when's the lesson the Panthers

1879
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: played in on a Sunday night football game? And he

1880
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: played hard to That's what I'm saying. Well, that's the

1881
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make. Right, you could tell he

1882
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: was up for this game he played on a Sunday night.

1883
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 3: The point that Nico made I hear his point. But

1884
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 3: what I think is bothering most people is that it

1885
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 3: almost becomes normal to lose now, and it's almost like

1886
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 3: a normal thing for them, and they feel like the

1887
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 3: Giants are like this is normal for them. They're used

1888
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,520
Speaker 3: to losing the you know, they don't have that winner's mentality.

1889
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 3: But to say that they don't care, I think it's

1890
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 3: absolutely incredibly wrong.

1891
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 21: If I can give you three very quick in a

1892
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 21: nutshell bullet points. Number one, you know I'm in that

1893
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 21: locker room after every game. It was a quiet and

1894
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 21: very frustrated and dejected locker room after this.

1895
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 1: Wasn't angry at all with the guys that were angry.

1896
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,839
Speaker 2: If they were.

1897
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 21: They were internalizing because those guys who might have been

1898
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 21: angry weren't saying a whole lot. So that's entirely possible.

1899
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 21: I got you number two. I have known many guys

1900
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 21: over the decades that I've been doing this job who

1901
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 21: have admitted to me that after a loss, the only

1902
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 21: thing they do the following week.

1903
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Is leave their house to come to practice and go

1904
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: to work.

1905
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 21: They will not even go to the grocery store or

1906
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 21: the delicatessen because they don't want to see anybody. They're

1907
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 21: that disgusted and upset with the loss and embarrassing. I've

1908
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 21: heard that from so many guys over the years. Don't

1909
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 21: tell me, they don't care. Okay, that's number two. Number three,

1910
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 21: Joseph misses the forty seven yard field goal, and I did,

1911
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 21: I don't know if we have the run. In audio,

1912
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 21: I asked him specifically about how deflating is it when

1913
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 21: you get in scoring position, you'll wind up to the

1914
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 21: ball over on a pick, you miss a couple of

1915
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 21: field goals. Emotionally, how hard is that for you to

1916
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 21: bounce back and try to dig in and get back

1917
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 21: into the game. And he said, no, hey, you gotta

1918
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 21: leave it. It's a play. You'll leave the play. You

1919
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 21: go to the next play, you have to leave it.

1920
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 21: And the Giants did. Because the Bengals get the ball

1921
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 21: and six plays later.

1922
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: They're forced to punt on fourth down.

1923
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 21: The Giants defense went out there and said, we're getting

1924
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 21: that ball back. They cared, they cared, they played hard,

1925
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 21: they played intense, and they got the ball back and

1926
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 21: gave Daniel Jones and this offense a chance to tie

1927
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 21: a one score game with eight minutes to go.

1928
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Let's take a time out. We got plenty more from

1929
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: the locker room. We got more of your calls at

1930
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: eight eight, eight, eighth eight one zero one nine. When

1931
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: we return on Giants Extra point, the Giants again fall

1932
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: to the Bengals seventeen to seven.

1933
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Will be right back on here on the fan.

1934
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 7: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN Giants

1935
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 7: Radio Network.

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Speaker 25: This is a Zazo July and you're listening to the

1937
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 25: radio home of the Big Blue Defense, WFN in the

1938
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 25: wfn FM New York.

1939
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 6: Barrel. In a shotgun set from the Giant.

1940
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 4: Thirty nine takes the snap back, pumps under pressure and

1941
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 4: he's gonna get sacked. On the play, Bryan Burns got

1942
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 4: the initial pressure and then the Giants cleaned it up.

1943
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 6: Burns with two sacks coming into the game. That's a

1944
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 6: loss of five.

1945
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: So I continues to run.

1946
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 21: Forty seconds left in the half one by three receiver

1947
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 21: set motioned to the left by Chase Back to throw

1948
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 21: out of the gun Burrow pump bakes.

1949
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: Eddy has sacked back at the six and naty forty.

1950
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 2: He's one more turn.

1951
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 4: Burrel in a shotgun set takes the staff back to throw.

1952
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 6: He's under pressure, trying to escape.

1953
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: Avoids one man and then cover slim down by Dexter.

1954
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 4: Lawrence sacked seven other season for Sexy next season.

1955
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 2: And you can't take away with the Giants defense.

1956
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: And in this game four sacks, seven quarterback hits and

1957
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: that's the official number.

1958
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: There were more than that.

1959
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: They were all over Joe Burrow in this game, making

1960
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: a hold of football. He played a really good game.

1961
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Brian Burns had his best game as a Giant. Couple

1962
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: of tackles for losses in the run game. He had

1963
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: a sack in this game another quarterback. And on top

1964
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: of that, Brian Burns talked to the media after the game,

1965
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: let's listen into that.

1966
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 18: We got to get to the drawing board to see

1967
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 18: exactly what they were. But it still plays that can

1968
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 18: be made. I just say the fumble because that was

1969
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 18: a Yes, that was that's the opportunity we had.

1970
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 4: We want, you know, Brian, you guys could make in

1971
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 4: case the three.

1972
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 6: Road this year offensive they have one.

1973
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 19: He had one touchdown here.

1974
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 15: Is there anything about this team playing better on the

1975
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 15: roads at all?

1976
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's nothing about that.

1977
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 26: I think it's just due time.

1978
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 18: You know, football was football so many ways you could

1979
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 18: turn out, you know, it's just how it went to.

1980
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 3: We got another game at home next week. So banks.

1981
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 8: You mentioned the lakes or a one thing that the

1982
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 8: receivers were saying, like he was in here talking to

1983
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 8: guys giving him tips on the sideline.

1984
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 6: Obviously he's not necessarily gonna.

1985
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 15: Give you tips on maybe did I don't know, But what.

1986
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 6: Was he like on the sideline?

1987
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 5: Uh?

1988
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 6: T today?

1989
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't see him engaged? He was he

1990
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 3: was on the outside. I'm assuming cause I didn't see him.

1991
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 18: Okay, you know, I was mainly focused on on on

1992
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 18: my guys.

1993
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 9: Kay, I didn't know if you saw.

1994
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 6: What did you see?

1995
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: From your guy specifically today.

1996
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 25: You know you mentioned we were chatting as he's a

1997
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,440
Speaker 25: little bit, but just the group performance.

1998
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 6: As a whole and docks and.

1999
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 18: I just seen a focus you know and in the

2000
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 18: will you know that that we've always had, but uh,

2001
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 18: I felt like it really came it came through today.

2002
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 3: You know, they had that.

2003
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 18: Burroughs scrambled for like whatever. That was what testedown. I mean,

2004
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 18: that could be the more zing, you know what I'm saying.

2005
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 18: So the way they bounce back, in the way we

2006
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 18: responded that was that's how you supposed to do it.

2007
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 18: And then like we get a short field turn over

2008
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 18: with the kicks and we get the ball back, that's

2009
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 18: how you respond. So I'll take my head off some

2010
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 18: of my guys on the defense.

2011
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 3: Fining what happened?

2012
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 15: What happened in that player bar? We would I know

2013
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 15: you may have to look at it the film, but

2014
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 15: a touchdown run? Yeah, what exactly happened?

2015
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 18: He's seen something, you know, he's seen an opening and

2016
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 18: I'm pretty sure he knew he was in man, he

2017
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 18: knew that all the dvs would be chasing their guy,

2018
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:21,600
Speaker 18: and he's seen an opening and he took it.

2019
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 13: Pig is this the standard for your defense, this type

2020
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 13: of performance, and it's a good.

2021
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 3: Performance, it's not the standard. Like I said, it's certain

2022
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 3: opportunity that we still hit. You know, I never want

2023
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 3: to be complacent. So if there's more plays than maybe

2024
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 3: you should make them.

2025
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Burns wasn't the only one that Uzo Jari had a day,

2026
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 1: a couple of sacks of forest fumble as well.

2027
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Let's listen to him after the game.

2028
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 4: Do you feeling and other pressure?

2029
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 25: Didn't feel like you just oh yeah, you know, I

2030
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 25: felt like trying to come in and just execute the

2031
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 25: game plan and do what I can so best my

2032
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 25: ability to try to help this help us win.

2033
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 3: But you know we fell short today.

2034
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,799
Speaker 17: Do you feel like you guys has a whole Burns

2035
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,839
Speaker 17: you das put a lot of pressure on them.

2036
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: Uh?

2037
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, uh we should execute the plan.

2038
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 3: Felt short, left a lot of players out there. For sure.

2039
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 25: You go when we go back and watch tomorrow tonight

2040
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 25: and we'll see what we could fix and it should work.

2041
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 16: Try to work on that for sure, cause us now

2042
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 16: that you're on the field against ball stirs typical thing

2043
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 16: about trying.

2044
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 3: To do with man Burros.

2045
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 25: He's so elusive he's fast and uh as you see today, Uh,

2046
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 25: when you get there, you gotta really you gotta get

2047
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 25: him down all the way for sure, cause he he's

2048
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 25: elusive and he's he's a nice, great player.

2049
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 2: It's a high scoring account.

2050
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 3: Keep the seventeen on once.

2051
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 15: You have to feel like defensively, you did everything you

2052
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 15: could to win this game.

2053
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 25: Uh man, I know it's tough. We definitely left the

2054
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 25: players out there and we want that. We want back

2055
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 25: for sure. Uh we uh, we gotta shake it off

2056
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 25: and we want to the new street wants.

2057
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: How long were you able to get such a good

2058
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 2: pressure about.

2059
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 6: Your uh uh in the backfield?

2060
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 25: Uh, I had to talk to the coaches and uh,

2061
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 25: you know the staff, everyone working every week, you know,

2062
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 25: I have practice and try to about it rush Russ

2063
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 25: rush as a union and just keep uh keep rushing

2064
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 25: every days.

2065
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 16: Usually have to she got the one yard touchdown, maybe

2066
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 16: it seven to seven. They come right back and get

2067
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 16: a field goal. Wiging was to give up the golden portrait.

2068
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 25: It's tough.

2069
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 3: You know, it's tough.

2070
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 25: You know he always want to stop the office when

2071
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 25: they're out there and give up no points.

2072
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 3: But you know he's the NFL and.

2073
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 25: They got great places on that side of the ball

2074
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 25: and got you gotta come back harder.

2075
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 16: Next topic, at the end of the game, if they're

2076
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 16: trying to build the clock and then they wind up

2077
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 16: busting one day for the final touchdown, I'm sure that

2078
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:28,799
Speaker 16: had to be very frustrating.

2079
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was frustrated, and for sure he busted the

2080
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 25: thirty right up in the middle.

2081
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 3: It looked like he was out of there, and it was.

2082
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 3: It was a tough play. It was a tough way

2083
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 3: to end.

2084
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,919
Speaker 1: As as Ojalari and Paul we were talking about this earlier,

2085
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: the type of game we saw from the pass rush today.

2086
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 1: That was what Joe Shane pictured when he traded for

2087
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he traded for Brian Burns. You know, extends

2088
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence's contract, spends the top ten pick on cave

2089
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: On Tobadeau. You know, Jelari was a second round pick.

2090
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 1: This is what he was looking for. This Giants front

2091
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: was a huge reason why the Bengals could not make

2092
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 1: any of those huge plays down the field in rhythm

2093
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 1: like we've seen the make over the course of this year,

2094
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: because their front really I think Flumm's Joe Burrow in

2095
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: this game, which as we spoke about a lot on

2096
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: the pregame show, is not an easy thing to do,

2097
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: given how in control of the game Burrow usually is

2098
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: four sacks, seven quarterback hits. I don't think there's any

2099
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: doubt that they impeded Burrow. We mentioned that the Bengals

2100
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: came into this game averaging twenty eight points a game

2101
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: this season, yep, and more than that in all but

2102
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: their first game, yep.

2103
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 2: So yes, you're absolutely right.

2104
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 21: This Giants front and Shane Bowen did rely on them

2105
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 21: an awful lot tonight. They did a very very solid

2106
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 21: job of containing They didn't beat them, they didn't knock

2107
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 21: them out, but they did a good job containing.

2108
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: The Bengals pass game as best as they could.

2109
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: They also stopped the run. Well, the Bengals run game

2110
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: didn't get off in this game. They did a pretty

2111
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: good job against the r I thought solid.

2112
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the front. You can't be mad at

2113
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 2: what they did.

2114
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's get let's get to the calls here, guys,

2115
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: eight eight eight away, one zero one nine. We got

2116
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: about another twenty minutes or so before we say goodbye.

2117
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Let's get in as many calls as we can. Marking

2118
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: Connecticut has been holding the longest.

2119
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 22: What's up, Mark, Hey, guys, thank you so much. You know,

2120
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 22: I thought that I thought the defense played great tonight.

2121
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 22: Here's here's what gets me. And I want to root

2122
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 22: for Dabele and I want to root for Jones. I

2123
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 22: want him to do well. Dable seemed like he had

2124
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 22: it in his mind the entire game that we're gonna pass,

2125
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 22: you know, whatever it was, we're gonna throw the ball.

2126
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 22: And there was a point in the second half it

2127
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 22: was a first down they ran the ball to Tracy,

2128
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 22: he got nine yards, and then on second down they

2129
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 22: throw the ball. So instead of instead of second and

2130
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 22: one and pounding the ball and getting some momentum, they

2131
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 22: threw it. And then it might have you know, I'm

2132
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 22: not clear, but it might have been like maybe it

2133
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 22: was when those places where they had to go for

2134
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 22: an unfourced down. But it seems to me, if you're

2135
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 22: running the balls, if you're getting nine yards on first down,

2136
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 22: run it again. Like Bill Parcells used to run up

2137
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 22: the same play five times and he would say, no.

2138
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: Mark, there is an argument to be made that a

2139
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: second and one is an opportunity to take a shot

2140
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: because you can gain the one yard on third down.

2141
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 1: So I get the overall Femea your call, and I

2142
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: think you have a better argument in the first half,

2143
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: where on their first three possessions they only had two

2144
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: traditional running back runs on their first three possessions. I

2145
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: think in the second half they did lean into the

2146
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: traditional running game a little bit better, and I don't

2147
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: necessarily mind trying to maybe make a bigger play through

2148
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: the air on a second and one, given you can

2149
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: then go ahead, and they ended up did running for

2150
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: two yards.

2151
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 2: On third down.

2152
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 3: Didn't do that though, I said Paul a couple of

2153
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 3: times Paul, where the Giants did get nine yards, whether

2154
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 3: it was the pass or the run, where they got

2155
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 3: up and did a quarterback sneak on second on second

2156
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 3: and one, and I was like, man, why don't you

2157
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 3: take a shot?

2158
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was later in that drive when.

2159
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 3: Then they got second and three and they actually took

2160
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 3: a shot on second and three, which was good. But look,

2161
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 3: we can pick in point, but at the end of

2162
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 3: the day, no matter what's called out there, the Giants

2163
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 3: have to execute. No matter what's called out there, whether

2164
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 3: it's the right time to do this or that, the

2165
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 3: Giants have to execute. I'm not gonna say day Ball

2166
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 3: didn't call a good game because it wasn't executed. Whatever

2167
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 3: that he called, it wasn't executed. Quarterback didn't play well enough,

2168
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 3: the receivers didn't play well enough, the running game didn't

2169
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 3: hold up long enough. Offensive line took a step back.

2170
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 3: We saw some great things up in Seattle. I didn't

2171
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 3: see that on offense today at all. Seven points is

2172
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: not gonna win you any game. Every single team scores

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01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 3: more than seven points.

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Speaker 1: And Dable had plays called in the first half that

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01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: could have turned into big chunk plays and the Giants

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01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: players unable to execute it.

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01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 21: That was interesting and talking to players downstairs, a number

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01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 21: of them, including Tyrone Tracy on this third quarter drive

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01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 21: that Mark referred to and that's where he made his mistake.

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01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 21: Point may be valid in some other parts of the game,

2181
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 21: but not here, because that's a sixteen play, seventy nine

2182
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 21: yard touchdown drive, eleven runs, five passes. So I'm sorry, Mark,

2183
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 21: you got it backwards on that drive. That was a

2184
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 21: bad drive to pick.

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01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: Now, if you want to argue that, maybe you could

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01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: have landed, leaned a little bit more in the first

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01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: half and done something of that earlier. I could understand

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01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 1: that argument better exactly. But on this particular drive, even

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01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: John Runyon told me in the locker room after the game,

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01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, that might have been our

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01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: best drive of the season. Oh definitely, that's how That's

2192
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: how good he felt about how they drove that ball.

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01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: But but what he and Tracy also told me, and

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01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: this bothered me a little bit, and it's something that

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01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: is debatable. It's a point that Jonathan and I talked

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 1: about during the game. Giants seemed to have a little

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01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: more tempo coming in and out of the huddle. They

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01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: seem to be getting at the line quicker on that drive.

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Speaker 1: They didn win no huddle the whole drive that And

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01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know they might

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01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: they might just circle around a little litle bit like

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01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of sharks in the water and then get

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01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: right up.

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01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 2: To the line. Yeah, mudle huddle the muddle uddle exactly. Yeah,

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01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 2: not even full huddles.

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Speaker 21: And I said to Jonathan, and we've talked about this

2207
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 21: in other games too, Jonathan, I'm I'm one John. Sometimes

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01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,839
Speaker 21: I think and this is not a criticism of Dable,

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Speaker 21: but I think in general, sometimes coaches get too bogged

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01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 21: down and all of the machinations in their head and

2211
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 21: they sometimes forget the simplistic or easy answer.

2212
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 2: Has just changed the tempo right.

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01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: Well, and I think good job by Dable doing that

2214
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: in the second he did get it going. But it

2215
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 1: is hard, and look how good it were. It is

2216
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: hard to go in the huddle for an extended period

2217
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: of time. It doesn't limit the amount of the types

2218
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 1: of plays you can use the top of the signals you make,

2219
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: and you can't change personnel obviously, so it does limit

2220
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 1: what you can do. But I thought it was very

2221
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: ingenious at least to get something going to at least

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01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:50,560
Speaker 1: try to change the make it.

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01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 2: You could wear out some of your offensive players too.

2224
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: Tracy had to detaped them about a couple of times

2225
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: during that drive because he was tired.

2226
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 3: But I agree with Paul. He goes for it. Literally

2227
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 3: when he says it, they do it. It looks like

2228
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 3: they're hearing him down there on the field, because when

2229
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 3: he was like.

2230
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: They hearing you, you just sold me out.

2231
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 3: But I do like that because as a defender going

2232
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 3: against a team that goes no huddle or muddle huddle,

2233
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't give you a chance to change guys to

2234
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 3: substitute guys. Right, when the offense substitutes, the defense has

2235
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 3: a chance to substitute. They literally have to give you

2236
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 3: time the substitute. But when they don't and they keep

2237
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 3: everybody on the field, you can get guys that go

2238
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 3: not go down, but get a little tired. Guys get

2239
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 3: a little winded. Maybe you don't have the right personnel

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01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 3: out there against what you're facing. You know. I remember

2241
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 3: years ago the Giants we played the Patriots at home, right,

2242
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 3: we were stuck in dying person that with Craigdall playing

2243
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 3: weakside linebacker and they had eleven person that was tight

2244
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 3: end with Gronk at tight end, yeah, and Lou Garrett

2245
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 3: at running back.

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01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 2: That sounds like a problem.

2247
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 3: And they didn't let us change. They didn't let us

2248
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 3: get off the field. They didn't let us got the field.

2249
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 3: They literally ran the ball down our throats because we

2250
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 3: were stuck in this formation where we're saying, go to

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01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 3: linebacker and I'm two twenty five, Craig Dalls maybe one

2252
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 3: ninety five, he's in the a gap, you know, So

2253
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 3: like you can catch teams like that, you know, and

2254
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 3: you know, with the not the right personnel and you

2255
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 3: can do things because you can exploit what they have

2256
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 3: on the field. I think the Giants took advantage of that,

2257
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 3: and I think what Paul saying during the games is like,

2258
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 3: why don't they do that a little bit more frequently

2259
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 3: because they've had success doing it. We've seen it happen tonight,

2260
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen in the past.

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01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've Ben had to do it. Be

2262
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 2: his their offense against Seattle moved the ball but down

2263
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 2: the field, and.

2264
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: They have out other games where they moved the ball

2265
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: pretty well even if they weren't able to convert in

2266
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 1: the reds. All right, let's go back to the phones

2267
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: and say what's up to Ryan and Scotch Planes he

2268
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: is up next on Giants Sexual Point Ryan, what's going on?

2269
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 23: Hey?

2270
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 3: What's up? Guys? Handle?

2271
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 2: What's Brian?

2272
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 27: Hey? So, yeah, I just would like to just talk

2273
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 27: about a little bit that. Uh, you know, I think

2274
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 27: two years ago we had a lot of success watching

2275
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 27: Daniel Jones be a running part of the offense. Right

2276
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 27: Obviously it was very obvious two years ago, So you know,

2277
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 27: we saw a little bit. I think we saw the

2278
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 27: most of that last week this season, and I just

2279
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 27: wonder why Dabele, you know, tries to get away from

2280
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 27: that a little bit. Like I understand you want to

2281
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,679
Speaker 27: protect Jones, but there is a clause in his contract

2282
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 27: because he gets hurt, you know, they don't kind of

2283
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 27: pay the guy. I'm not trying to say that throw

2284
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 27: him out there and let him, let them get nailed.

2285
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 27: But you could have well.

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01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 1: We're ryan right, I want to run. I want to

2287
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 1: correct you real quick. There is a clause. Now if

2288
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 1: the reports are too there's a clause in their contract.

2289
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: If he gets hurt, they do have to pay him.

2290
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: It's the opposite. If he gets hurt, they're on the hook.

2291
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: They're not off the hook. It's the opposite. There is

2292
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: an injury guarantee from what we understand.

2293
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 3: Ye, but I saw some design runs. I saw a

2294
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 3: quarterback draws powers today. That's okay, But but also listen,

2295
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 3: they didn't extend a lot of drives, but you know

2296
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 3: they did three and now, so they had a lot

2297
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 3: of you know, four or five you know play drives

2298
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 3: where they had to punt the football. If they extend

2299
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 3: to drive a little bit longer, I think you would

2300
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 3: definitely see Daniel Jones as a runner because he is

2301
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 3: an intrigal part, not just throwing the football, but running

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01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 3: the football with his legs. Look, I don't like how

2303
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones takes as much damage as he does.

2304
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 2: And he lowered a couple times.

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01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 3: And listen, and I'm not talking about him sitting in

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01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 3: the pocket getting blindsided by his sack. I'm not talking

2307
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 3: about that. I'm talking about as he extends to play,

2308
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 3: he gets a first down, he doesn't get a first down,

2309
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 3: whatever it is, as he gets outside the pocket. As

2310
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 3: a quarterback, first of all, you're not protected anymore. You're

2311
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 3: not protected as you run the football as a quarterback,

2312
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 3: you become a running back. A lot of these running

2313
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 3: backs are a lot more bigger, They are a lot

2314
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 3: more stout. They can kind of take the damage. They

2315
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 3: have bigger shoulder pads, they have bigger knee pads and

2316
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 3: thigh pads in they can take it. Daniel Jones, throughout

2317
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 3: his whole entire career, he has never done a good

2318
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 3: job in protecting himself. And you look at somebody like

2319
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow who breaks a long run. He doesn't get hit,

2320
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 3: he slides, he runs out of bounds. Daniel Jones has

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01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 3: had such a bad habit of not running out of

2322
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 3: bounds and not protecting himself. That guys take shots on

2323
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 3: him when they don't take shots on other quarterbacks because

2324
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 3: they know that that quarterback is not going to give

2325
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 3: himself up to the defense. And Daniel Jones does that

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01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 3: like that one first?

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01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 23: Uh?

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01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 3: The one? I think he did get the first down,

2329
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 3: but he he would have ran forward and kind of

2330
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 3: dole for the first down. He would have been fine.

2331
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 3: But what he did was he extended to play a

2332
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 3: little bit longer and went laterally and got hit by

2333
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:27,759
Speaker 3: two guys.

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01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 1: All Right, So I used one of my analytics website,

2335
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 1: this is Pro Football Focus, So I did my best

2336
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: to sort design run plays just for quarterbacks. So take

2337
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: a guess who leads the league and design runs out

2338
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: of the quarterback position.

2339
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't think that was a question. I think we

2340
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:43,799
Speaker 3: all know the guy from.

2341
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: Baltimore, correct who and who's tied with him that this

2342
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 1: also should not surprise you. The guy from Washington, the

2343
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: guy from Philadelphia. So they're tied at forty five run.

2344
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 1: But a bunch of those of the tush push right. Absolutely, Yeah,

2345
01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: third in the league this year in design rush attemps

2346
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Daniel Jones is it thirty eight. He's got

2347
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: seven more than Jayden Daniels and one more than Justin Fields,

2348
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: who's in fourth. So Fields is thirty seven, Daniels is

2349
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: thirty one. Jones is third in the NFL and design

2350
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: quarterback runs at thirty eight. And by the way, you

2351
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 1: know they have I'm not a big pff gray guy,

2352
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: but he actually is.

2353
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 2: He's the highest.

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01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: Graded quarterback on designed quarterback runs this year.

2355
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 2: Well, he's been effective when.

2356
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 3: He I mean he was effective tonight with his legs.

2357
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 3: He got some first downs, he extended some drives. You know,

2358
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 3: That's always been a strong point of Daniel Jones's game,

2359
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, But that's why I'm so critical, because protect yourself, bro.

2360
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 3: These defenders are not going to do that.

2361
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 2: It was the one point where he dropped the shoulder

2362
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 2: and his right shoulder got smashed, right smash.

2363
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 3: Has to protect himself better.

2364
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 21: The stat they're not giving you there, John, and I

2365
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 21: guarantee it is how many hits it took on those

2366
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 21: design runs.

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01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 1: I don't have that one for you, sorry, but I'm

2368
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 1: telling you that Lamar Jackson tends to get down a

2369
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 1: lot better than Joe, which leads the league and getting hit, well,

2370
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,639
Speaker 1: you know it hurts. My two hurts doesn't get down either.

2371
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 1: He ends up tall two. But those two guys are

2372
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,719
Speaker 1: probably the top of the league in terms of number

2373
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: of hits taken, no question about. All right, let's take

2374
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 1: a quick time out. We got a couple more pieces

2375
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: of the sound from downstairs. We'll try to skewz on

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01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: one of two more calls. We'll come back one last

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01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: segment of Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the Bengals

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01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: seventeen to seven. We'll be right back right here on

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Speaker 1: the FED.

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Speaker 1: Giants Extra Point, Schmel Cassias Statino, Bengals defeat the Giants

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Speaker 1: seventeen to seven. Tyrone Tracy over one hundred yards from

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Speaker 1: scrimmage for the Giants, over fifty on the ground and

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Speaker 1: in the air. Let's listen to him after begin right

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01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: the right.

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Speaker 3: Way all the time. So whon't we do that. That's when,

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01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 3: you know, when we start, you know, being a great offense.

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Speaker 18: So I know you obviously don't wanna focus necessarily on.

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01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 8: How you playing coming out a loss, per se, but

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01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 8: you this is not two.

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01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 3: Weeks in a row where you've been productive. And I

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01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 3: think last week people we were like.

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01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,719
Speaker 9: Oh, all right, you know, he played pretty well.

2403
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 6: But now you've done it again.

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01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 8: So I think people are starting to learn who you are.

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01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 12: And what do you think you've shown, like now over

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01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 12: a couple of games about I'm here because.

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01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 17: I mean, I'm not necessarily like I'm just up there

2408
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 17: playing football.

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01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 17: You know what I'm saying, Like I've been this way

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01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 17: since high school. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm

2412
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 17: not doing nothing different, I'm not doing nothing extraordinary. You know,

2413
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 17: I'm going out there just being me. You know what

2414
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 17: I'm saying the best of my abilities. And like I

2415
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,560
Speaker 17: said when I first got here, when I interviewed me.

2416
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 17: I'm gonna take advantage of my opportunities the best I can.

2417
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 17: So whenever the balls in my hands, whenever.

2418
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 3: I get a chance to make a play, I'm gonna

2419
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 3: do my best to make a play.

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01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 15: Is that one of those things you think you've been

2421
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 15: able to do what you do because.

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01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 7: You you don't think it's anything that's out of your character, out.

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01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 6: Of your standard.

2424
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 14: In terms of the opportunities you're being given, you feel.

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01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 2: Like you've you've earned them, and you you're ready to to.

2426
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 3: Do whatever it takes.

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01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I earned everything that

2428
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 17: I have right now. In the NFL, nothing is given,

2429
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,640
Speaker 17: so you have to earn everything. And uh, you know,

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01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 17: I think I've I've done, you know, a good job

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01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 17: of taking advantage of the opportunity that I've been given

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01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:33,719
Speaker 17: up to this point.

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01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean when you say that.

2434
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 17: I think that I've earned everything, I definitely do think

2435
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 17: I've earned everything that I have right now.

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01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,640
Speaker 3: How much does this feel like a missed opportunity for

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01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 3: you guys tonight?

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01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 17: I feel like a huge missed opportunity just because, like

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01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 17: if you actual anybody in the locker room, we think

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01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 17: that if we.

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01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 6: Executed better offensively.

2442
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 17: You know, we we win, we win a game, you know,

2443
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 17: but at the same time, you gotta make sure that,

2444
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,800
Speaker 17: like you got, take care of the little details. This

2445
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 17: is the NFL. You know, you can lose any given day,

2446
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 17: any Sunday, Thursday, Monday, whatever that you play, but you

2447
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 17: gotta make sure you get like I said, take care

2448
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 17: of the little details, take care of the fundamentals. And

2449
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 17: when you don't do that, that's when you know, you

2450
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 17: miss out opportunities to you know, make a game, change

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01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 17: to play or you know what I'm saying, or you know,

2452
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 17: change the score or whatever it may be.

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01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 17: So I think we just gotta go to take your

2455
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 17: on board, make sure they ever take care of ourselves,

2456
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 17: our house, you know, individually positioned and then as an offense,

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01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 17: and you know, do our work going forward.

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01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: That's Tyrone Tracy after the game, and guys, you know, look,

2459
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary is gonna be back next week, week after whatever.

2460
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: It will be at some point from that groid injury.

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01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: He was doubtful leading into the game. We'll see where

2462
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 1: he is next week. But I think we know Tyrone

2463
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 1: Tracy is a guy that you have to now get

2464
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: touches every week given his ability in the passing game,

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01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: had in the one game.

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Speaker 3: A lot more impressive than I even thought. You know,

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01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 3: he's a he's a physical guy, you know, a lot

2468
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 3: more than our thought being that as a wide receiver back.

2469
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,600
Speaker 3: He runs through tackles, he runs north and south, but

2470
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 3: he has great lateral movement. You know, he can get

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 3: in and out. And that runn he had last week,

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01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 3: I think it was a twenty seven yard run where

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01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 3: he pressed the line of scrimmage, got the linebackers in

2474
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:14,639
Speaker 3: the hole, and bounced it outside. That looked like one

2475
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 3: of the top tier running backs in the league that

2476
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 3: can do that because they've been in the league and

2477
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 3: they understand how to run the football like you don't

2478
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 3: do that as a new running back, which he is.

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01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 3: He's almost a new running back because he only be

2480
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 3: paying running back for three years now.

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01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 2: This is the second year since high school point running back.

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01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 3: And the way he's running the football how he catches

2483
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 3: the ball flawlessly and gets up the field like he

2484
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:38,640
Speaker 3: looks like a veteran in the league. He's not a

2485
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 3: young rookie like you talked about earlier. He's twenty four

2486
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,679
Speaker 3: years old. But he looks like he has a lot

2487
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:45,839
Speaker 3: more than two years experience at the running back position.

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Speaker 1: The most impressive thing for me, Fellas is that as

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01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, you're usually not having to navigate a

2490
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: lot of traffic once the ball gets into your hands.

2491
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: Well from the backfield, there's an awful lot of traffic

2492
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: in a there's a small space when you get that football,

2493
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 1: and he seems to navigate it incredibly well, and for

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01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: a guy who you know hasn't had that much experience.

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01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 3: And it's not just the navigation, the manipulation of the defenders,

2496
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 3: the way you press the line, the way you angle

2497
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 3: towards your like if you get the ball just bounces

2498
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 3: straight out. That's easy for the linebackers. They can flow

2499
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:24,479
Speaker 3: over the top, they can get through the garbage that's

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01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 3: in front of them. Right. The reason why the linebackers

2501
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 3: do bag drills because they always have to step and

2502
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 3: move over things. When you press the line of scrimmage

2503
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 3: and the linebackers get up to the line of scrimmage,

2504
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 3: it's almost impossible for them to bounce outside. But not

2505
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,759
Speaker 3: for a running back that can move so well laterally

2506
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 3: like he can, and he up.

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01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 1: Set up his blockers. He makes offensive by setting his

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01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: block and that's not just physically, it's also the vision. Yeah, correct,

2509
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: that's very important. All Right, we're gonna try to squeezing

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01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: two more calls here, Ronnie and Matt. Let's go to

2511
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Ronnie and break before we say goodbye. Then we'll get

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01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 1: to you next. Matt.

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01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 2: Ronnie, what's going on?

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01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 24: Hey, hey, doing? I didn't really expect him to win

2515
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 24: this game tonight. You know, they had a lot of

2516
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 24: injuries coming into the game. We'll be missing a lot

2517
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 24: of key players. The defense played phenomenal. I thought, I'm

2518
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 24: really oppressed with the defense. I'm pressed for Tracy as well.

2519
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronnie, you say that though Bavaro told you before

2520
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:20,919
Speaker 1: the game, if the Bengals would have only scored seventeen,

2521
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: I bet you thought the Giants would have won.

2522
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 24: Yeah, And I think they let them score on that

2523
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 24: last play, and then the one time that they did

2524
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 24: score was you know, it was a broken player. You know,

2525
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 24: Burbough should have never had a forty seven yard touchdown.

2526
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 24: But you have to start games. Just The one thing,

2527
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 24: you know, I want to say is, you know, I

2528
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 24: think it's gotta be time to move on. Daniel Jones.

2529
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 24: It's got to be one of the worst contract sports.

2530
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 24: You know, you held the Bengals to seventeen points and

2531
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 24: you couldn't win the game at home, you know, you

2532
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 24: know forty I know, people like they like to give

2533
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 24: them credit for like all these doing those things because oh,

2534
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 24: you didn't throw twenty intercepts today. What he played, he

2535
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 24: did improving, you know what I mean, Like I just,

2536
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 24: you know, forty million dollars a year, I want to

2537
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 24: see like some touchdowns. They don't have a touchdown at

2538
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 24: home this year, throwing touchdown, you know what I mean?

2539
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 24: Come on, forty million dollars a year. You gotta throw

2540
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 24: you know, I want to see two hundred and fifty

2541
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 24: yards passes, three touchdowns once in a while. And he

2542
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 24: just he can't do that. He can't throw over He

2543
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 24: can't throw over a twenty yards. He can't.

2544
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 1: He's the frustrating part of it in the in the

2545
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: last in three out of his last four games before tonight,

2546
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 1: he threw for over two hundred yards and two touchdowns

2547
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: and three of the last four games, but tonight he

2548
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: absolutely was not good enough to win this football game.

2549
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. In terms of the contract

2550
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 1: right now, in terms of average per year, I think

2551
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 1: he ranks around fourteenth or fifteenth in the league, which

2552
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: is right in the.

2553
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 2: Middle of the league.

2554
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I know, forty million sounds like a big number, and

2555
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 1: it is a big number. I mean, it's a it's

2556
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good amount of the salary cap.

2557
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 1: But with where quarterbacks are, he's around fifteenth right now.

2558
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 1: But look, we let off the postgame show with this.

2559
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 1: You cannot win football game games by scoring seven points,

2560
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 1: and the most important play on your offense is the quarterback.

2561
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 1: We know that, right, So he needed to play better

2562
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: in this game. A lot of people on the offense

2563
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: need to play better in this game. As Brian Dables said,

2564
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: he could have called plays better in this game. He

2565
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 1: said that in the postgame show. It starts with him.

2566
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of blame to go around. But

2567
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 1: was Daniel Jones good enough tonight to win this football game? No,

2568
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: the team scored seven points and he's the quarterback. He'd

2569
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: be the first one to say that.

2570
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 21: Although the only thing that I wore to add, John,

2571
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 21: excuse me, is that they had two miss field goals.

2572
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 2: So it's gonna go down to the books. As seven points.

2573
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, one of them is very makeable. The

2574
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 2: other on the point.

2575
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 1: All right, you ain't gonna win any NFL game again.

2576
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I'm nitpicking here, but

2577
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: the seven just sounds a whole lot worse because they

2578
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 1: they weren't scoring position. Three other times he threw a

2579
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: bad pick. I'm not counting the last field. Well, the

2580
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: Bengals are prime prevent defensive too, all right, I'm not counting.

2581
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 2: But he threw a bad pick at the fourteen.

2582
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 1: That's a bad pick, very bad pick, and that was

2583
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 1: on him, threw up his back foot with a guy

2584
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 1: charging him right in the face.

2585
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:11,440
Speaker 2: I don't understand what he was trying to do, shying

2586
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 2: to throw out of the back of the end zone.

2587
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:16,919
Speaker 2: That's what he said, take the sack, correct, yeah, correct,

2588
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, first, that's.

2589
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: Just would have been second and sixteen or second in seventeen, whatever.

2590
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just stat that's a terrible play that

2591
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 1: he cannot try to make. And then on the overpass

2592
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 1: to Wondo Robinson, you can't miss that throw.

2593
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,920
Speaker 21: I mean, look, it's a shame because he'd played one

2594
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 21: month of really good football.

2595
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 2: And then today he had a he had a stinker.

2596
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 3: Definitely seeing him progressing every week. You know, from week

2597
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 3: one he was not Week three, week four, week five,

2598
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:51,879
Speaker 3: and yeah.

2599
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Oh he's improved.

2600
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 2: He's been good the last four weeks.

2601
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 3: He's played well, very optimistic coming into this game against

2602
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 3: this Bengals defense, which was I mean pretty much horrendous

2603
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 3: what they did, what Baltimore did to them last week,

2604
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 3: scoring forty one points, Timali muster up seven points at home. Man,

2605
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 3: it's uh, I think disappointing is uh is a very

2606
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 3: understated word for sure.

2607
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 1: Let's wrap things up on the phones with Matt and

2608
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Long Island. Matt, what's going on?

2609
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 3: Then?

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01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 26: Hey, guys, you doing to that? Listen when the defense

2611
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 26: plus anomenal you have this Begal team have thirty points,

2612
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 26: but again the offense they looks flat and then I

2613
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 26: suspected more and it's frustrating me more. You look the

2614
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 26: last this is why they got molik Namor and they

2615
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 26: dis closed the place. There's nothing there to play gong.

2616
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 26: But also the Giant left points in the Bengals territory,

2617
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 26: like the interception, the missfield goal not the last miss

2618
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 26: field the other one, like the defense they gave you position,

2619
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 26: how many you you really look me on you guys

2620
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 26: were like, what six more points to win that game?

2621
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 26: And they failed. The kicking is a huge concern. That's

2622
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 26: not the only thing, but it's frustrating in the NFL

2623
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 26: when you can't contribute on what the Bengals gave you.

2624
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 26: And it's just like the like so blad like run passes,

2625
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 26: like like what would Brian Deva like understand how you

2626
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 26: tried to coach the game. It's constant of the Dallas game.

2627
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 26: You didn't need much to win this game. But I

2628
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 26: feel like it's just it was right in front of

2629
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 26: you tonight. That's the first ray thing. How many opportunity

2630
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 26: in the NFL are you going to get a chance

2631
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 26: to win a game like this? It's not much and

2632
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 26: I'm sorry going for it. The Giants have got any better.

2633
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 26: They got to clean. He's a mistake because it's just

2634
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 26: especially at home, they look like a different football team.

2635
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: It's just it was, you know, zero arguments many of

2636
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: us here. Everything you said. I like what you're saying

2637
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: because thanks for the court. Simply put make the standard

2638
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 1: plays that you're expected to make, and you got a

2639
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: whole lot more points in the last month it's been

2640
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,960
Speaker 1: the receivers who didn't make the standard plays that they

2641
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 1: were expected to make.

2642
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 2: Today, Daniel Jones was part of that.

2643
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Well, in fairness, he missed some deep throws, not last week,

2644
01:58:57,960 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: but a couple weeks before that too.

2645
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, sixteen drops coming into the game led

2646
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 2: the NFL. No argument.

2647
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about their jobs and I will

2648
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 1: say this, and this is not an excuse, This is

2649
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 1: simply an observation. We did not have nearly and again

2650
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: there were exceptions like the one that Robinson over route.

2651
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 1: There was not nearly enough separation from the wide receivers

2652
01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 1: in this game against the Bengals secondary that has not

2653
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 1: been very good this year. And I think unlike last

2654
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 1: week when they did a great job without him, I

2655
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 1: think this week you felt not having the league neighbors

2656
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 1: on the field.

2657
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 21: I thought the Bengals dbs were cheating on a lot

2658
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 21: of the short routes. It almost looked like they were

2659
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,840
Speaker 21: overplaying the short routes or underplaying however you want to

2660
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:47,920
Speaker 21: call the direction of what they were doing. They were

2661
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 21: sneaking up and biting on a bunch of the shortstop

2662
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 21: and well, had he get to stop that gotta get

2663
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 21: gotta get hit, so gotta make the plays down got

2664
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 21: to make the plays downfield.

2665
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 2: And then they got that one DPI. If that's it.

2666
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 3: If you look at the game, like you said, statistically,

2667
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 3: both teams are very similar. The Giants outgained the.

2668
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 2: Bengals by five yards three nine to three h four.

2669
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 3: Right, just a little bit. But the scores ten points.

2670
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:14,280
Speaker 3: That's two scores why because of big plays? Correct, right,

2671
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow didn't look like Joe burdnite. But I didn't

2672
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:17,520
Speaker 3: think that was what happened.

2673
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 1: And the one time the Giants got on the Bengals

2674
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 1: red zone though one of two times they do the interception.

2675
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the huge difference tonight was the big plays allowed.

2676
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 3: Because yes, the Giants defense did enough, you know, to

2677
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,880
Speaker 3: to win a game at home, giving up seventeen points,

2678
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:37,760
Speaker 3: but it didn't do enough when your offense always only

2679
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 3: scores seven points, no one can predict that, definitely against

2680
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 3: the Bengals defense that has been given up literally forty

2681
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:47,280
Speaker 3: points last week. Yes, Lamar Jackson is explosive in the

2682
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 3: Baltimore offense is explosive. Yes, but the Giants at home,

2683
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 3: they have to figure it out. They don't have to

2684
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:55,000
Speaker 3: figure out.

2685
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 1: Paul's face looks like Indiana Jones when he found the

2686
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 1: Holy Grail here. I'm curious what he's noticed in this.

2687
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 1: You know what sounds really nuts.

2688
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,280
Speaker 21: Let me read this aloud to you, fellas, and tell

2689
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 21: me that it doesn't make you shake your head. Burrow

2690
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:11,920
Speaker 21: are nineteen completions for two hundred and eight yards. Jones

2691
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 21: had twenty two for two hundred and five. That is

2692
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:19,440
Speaker 21: a very similar passing stab line.

2693
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: And I will say, though probably good thirty or forty

2694
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:24,520
Speaker 1: of those came on the last garbage time drive for Jones.

2695
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that No, that's true. That's true.

2696
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:30,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, as much as we're talking about Jones struggling,

2697
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,040
Speaker 1: that does really show you that Joe Burrow was not

2698
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow today. That's that's the defense, really limited, that's

2699
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 1: the best evidence of all. Correct, No, absolutely, undred All right, guys,

2700
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: So now we're in a very familiar situation.

2701
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 2: Great job on the phones, guys. Appreciate your calls, Tonay,

2702
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 2: I know it's late.

2703
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: I know you guys want to talk Giants football, price

2704
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 1: and Mets baseball. And that's down one zero in the NLCS.

2705
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Things all the Dodgers beat them. Paul relax, I'm just checking,

2706
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 2: all right, Captain Shape, I did Yankees playing tomorrow.

2707
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 1: Let's not bring bed juju on the Yankees, all right, please,

2708
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 1: all right, let's calm down over there, yep, calm down,

2709
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,080
Speaker 1: all right. So now the Giants in a very familiar situation,

2710
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 1: all right, heading or rather inviting Philadelphia into their home building.

2711
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 1: And now what's going to be a crucial game next week.

2712
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,480
Speaker 1: Giants to two and four, but just two games back

2713
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 1: of first place in the division. The Commanders are just

2714
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 1: four and two, Eagles are just three and two. Dallas

2715
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 1: is just three and three, and they have their by

2716
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, this division is still super tight. No

2717
02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 1: one's running away with this thing. The Eagles barely beat

2718
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, who might be the worst team in football.

2719
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,920
Speaker 1: This week, they haven't looked impressive. The Commanders have a

2720
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:42,320
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. Their defense was absolutely obliterated toated by the Ravens,

2721
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:45,240
Speaker 1: though because of jayde and Daniels play. He's continuing to

2722
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 1: play well. He kept that game close for them. The

2723
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 1: Giants stole some opportunities moving forward here, but here comes

2724
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 1: the Dragon. They beat him last year. Finally, after years

2725
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 1: of struggling against them. Best game of the year for

2726
02:02:57,200 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 1: the Giants last year another time where now the Eagles

2727
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: weren't playing for a ton of that game, but.

2728
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:03,680
Speaker 2: Still Giants played really well.

2729
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 1: Now they have to again in a very important game,

2730
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:09,120
Speaker 1: take on one of their demons, you know, as the

2731
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,040
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Cowboys. They've been their demons the last

2732
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 1: eight or nine years. They're gonna have to take them

2733
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 1: on now again at home in a crucial.

2734
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 2: Crucial game. Yeah.

2735
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 21: Now, the good news is Azizo Jolari showed you that

2736
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 21: they could make up for the loss of Thibodeau on defense.

2737
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 21: He really did play efficiently today, made some really important.

2738
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:29,880
Speaker 2: Plays just efficiently. He was explosive and and that's really good.

2739
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 2: That's really, really really good.

2740
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,320
Speaker 1: That our offensive line next week, though with the Eagles,

2741
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 1: well it's not gonna be understood.

2742
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 21: My my bigger concern, Yeah, we will, But my bigger

2743
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 21: concern right now is I don't I really don't know

2744
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 21: where Andrew Thomas stands now.

2745
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: Those pass quasch isn't what it used to be either,

2746
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why they're not as

2747
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,080
Speaker 1: quite as dynamic.

2748
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 21: Well that's true, but if this Giants offensive line has

2749
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:55,560
Speaker 21: to be juggled.

2750
02:03:55,640 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 2: I understand it's an uncomfortable situation.

2751
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's still when we play our game

2752
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: pre season, we played the game who and the way

2753
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: we phrased it, who the Giants could least afford to

2754
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: lose on offense. But I had to put the caveat

2755
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 1: not including Andrew Thomas because that was the guy all

2756
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 1: of us were going to pick.

2757
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:17,560
Speaker 2: So needless to say that injury is gonna be key.

2758
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 1: And you mentioned number twenty six JC and that's obviously

2759
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 1: going to be a huge part of the conversation over

2760
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 1: the course of this week.

2761
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Giants can't allow him to come in here

2762
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 3: and have a career day because the Eagles are probably

2763
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:33,720
Speaker 3: thinking that we're gonna go in there and you're gonna

2764
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 3: have a career day in the stadium that you know,

2765
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:39,760
Speaker 3: basically let you go, you know, and listen first week

2766
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 3: when they played on that Friday in Brazil, right, I

2767
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:45,360
Speaker 3: was at a sports bar watching that game, and every

2768
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 3: single person when sa Quan's scored his third touchdown, I

2769
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 3: did it too. We all just put our heads down, like, dang,

2770
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be our guy, you know. But he's not.

2771
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:59,160
Speaker 3: But that's the NFL. A lot of guys don't stay

2772
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 3: on the team forever. You know. I played on four,

2773
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, and I won a Super Bowl in New

2774
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 3: Orleans my rookie year, you know, and you know it

2775
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 3: is what it is. But in the division is the

2776
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:11,320
Speaker 3: rough part. Sure, And even John Marras said.

2777
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 2: It too, Tarasidon hard knocks, hard knocks.

2778
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 21: Let me say this, if the game does turn out

2779
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 21: to be a tug of war at.

2780
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 2: A really really closed game, the Giants better get this

2781
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 2: kicking situation scroll. That's a really good point. Well, that's

2782
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 2: a really good point.

2783
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:28,480
Speaker 1: And we got to see if they decided to make

2784
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,280
Speaker 1: any moves with that this week too, so and I'll

2785
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 1: say this too, and we'll talk more about this during

2786
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:35,040
Speaker 1: the week on Big Book kil Live, by the way,

2787
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: guys were live every day twelve thirty all right on

2788
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,920
Speaker 1: giants dot com Giants will Black. We take your calls,

2789
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: make sure it's tuned in over the course of the week,

2790
02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this. But I think one of

2791
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 1: the reasons you decide not to play a running back

2792
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: is because what Tyland Trace is doing right when you

2793
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: can go pluck a running back in the fifth round

2794
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 1: of the draft, that's played for one year in college,

2795
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:56,720
Speaker 1: how to Purdue. And he shows up and in his

2796
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 1: first two games gives you the production he gave you.

2797
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:01,320
Speaker 1: That's why you don't go out there and you don't.

2798
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 3: You got guys. Got guys are the league that doing it.

2799
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Aust does anything. Great player. But that's what the thinking

2800
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: is with that. By the way, for the folks that

2801
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:15,400
Speaker 1: don't know how this works, I figure we should least

2802
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:17,160
Speaker 1: bring this up, as I know you're fascinated by it too.

2803
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:19,880
Speaker 1: So the Jets are playing here tomorrow night, Monday night football, right,

2804
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 1: So they've already have but one end zone completely erased.

2805
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:27,800
Speaker 1: They already have the Jets stenciled on one end zone.

2806
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 1: They have the giant helmet and midfield completely erased, and

2807
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:33,520
Speaker 1: they're stenciling the Jets logo as we speak, and the

2808
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 1: right end zone is almost completely erased. These guys that

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Speaker 1: work the stadium, folks, they can be working through the night.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long, long day for them to

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Speaker 1: get the stadium ready, but they just give the idea.

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Speaker 1: These guys are already getting the field ready. We already

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Speaker 1: see the outline of the Jets and one end zone

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Speaker 1: the Giants. You would have no id did. The Giants

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Speaker 1: played in the stadium two and a half hours.

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Speaker 3: The only thing you can see is the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ring of Honors, the only thing that that's on.

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Speaker 1: And you the blue lights the met Life Stadium as

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Speaker 1: you would have no idea. The banners have gone off.

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Speaker 1: The walls that the Giants played are two hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Kudos to the Medlife Stadium crew forgetting this thing turned around.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully you guys get just a little bit of

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Speaker 1: sleep tonight. I doubt it, but hopefully you get just

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Gentlemen, We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Pregame on Sunday at eleven am for Giants and Giants

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Speaker 2: Of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, stay tuned the Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. We're live every day on Giants dot

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Speaker 1: Com at twelve thirty. We'll take your calls and talk

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Speaker 1: Giants football with you, and of course the Giants Little Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you check that out as well.

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Speaker 1: You can find all the Giants podcasts at giants dot

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Speaker 1: com and the Giants App, or just search for Giants

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network, Giants Total Podcasts, or Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: on your.

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Speaker 1: Bob Pop, but Carl Banks and Howard Gross from my

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Speaker 1: pre and post gating from Padres and can see us

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Speaker 1: and Paul Datino and our entire crew. I am John

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Speaker 1: Schmold signing off from MetLife Stadium. The Giants ball to

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Speaker 1: the Bengals seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week, everybody,