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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stick, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: with you. And this is not a rerun, but it

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Speaker 1: feels like a rerun back when we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs once again hoisting the trophy. How you doing, man, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: DJ.

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Speaker 3: This is because we're gonna have an outstanding pie because

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Super Bowl brings up so many

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Speaker 3: things that we always talk about. I mean, even in

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Speaker 3: the run up to the game, we talked about the essentials,

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Speaker 3: what you need to have to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: We talked about coach, quarterback, pass rush. All those things

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Speaker 3: kind of played out. It was a great game to watch.

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Speaker 3: It was very entertaining despite I was for me, it

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Speaker 3: was entertaining because of the defensive struggle. I know there

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Speaker 3: was a lull in the game where we didn't have

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Speaker 3: a lot of movement, but overall, the game finished the

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Speaker 3: way that we thought it would finish in terms of

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Speaker 3: like two good teams really battling out and quarterbacks making

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Speaker 3: big plays to win it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's so many different areas we can go of go,

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Speaker 1: but the first thing I was going to ask you about,

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Speaker 1: some of the decision making and everything that went on.

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Speaker 1: But I was just I was watching that game last

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Speaker 1: hunt down. Tom Brady. Even I didn't shy away from

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Speaker 1: it in the postgame when they asked him about it, said, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that's something to shoot for. You're aiming for greatness. But

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about just like, we've narrowed this down

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Speaker 1: to Mahomes. But if you think about it, if I

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Speaker 1: told you, like New England, New England had a Hall

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, Okay, Kansas City Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: hall of Fame kicker, like everybody you need to be clutch.

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Speaker 1: They have. And I go back to what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about on the preview. When we're previewing this game,

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Speaker 1: and we said, look, we broke it down by position

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Speaker 1: and we end coaches everything, and we said, it's four

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Speaker 1: to four with one push, it is a dead even game.

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Speaker 1: And we said, in a dead even game, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go quarterback and I'm gonna go head coach. And that

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Speaker 1: was That's that was the game. That was it.

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Speaker 2: That was the game.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say this, and I think everyone has

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Speaker 3: to understand how different the Super Bowl is than any

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Speaker 3: of the game that you play in. And most games

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Speaker 3: halftime is twelve minutes. The super Bowl halftime is thirty

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Speaker 3: five minutes roughly. So in that game, when you have

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Speaker 3: all the emotions running high one, I feel like Kansas

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Speaker 3: City was extra emotional. Kansas City was playing at a level.

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Speaker 3: They're slamming Heilman's, Travis Kelse bumps into Andy Reid, They're

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Speaker 3: barking back and forth. They were just kind of out

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Speaker 3: that the Baltimore Ravens acted. That's how the Kansas City

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Speaker 3: Chiefs acted. They're saving grace was being able to go

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Speaker 3: into halftime for thirty five minutes, for Andy Reid to

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Speaker 3: We need to calm down and just play our game. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we could make some adjustments, but from an emotional standpoint,

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Speaker 3: I feel like Andy Reid's best job was done during

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Speaker 3: Spagnulo did a great job of making adjustments in the

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Speaker 3: the thing to me that was telling. All of their

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Speaker 3: at halftime. On offense, they talked about how Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: we saw a much different team. So when it goes

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Speaker 3: back to coaching in these high leverage moments, man, when

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Speaker 3: I think Kyle Shanahan did a great job calling the game.

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Speaker 1: And I go down and you break down the minu

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Speaker 1: There's people way smarter than me on that stuff on assignments,

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Speaker 1: though Bosa and Chase Young were getting pressure and Hardgrave

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this and we've continued to talk.

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Speaker 3: About it as a theme in big games in key moments,

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Speaker 2: Who's my best player.

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Speaker 3: I'll live or die with my best player taking the

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Speaker 3: fire shink that Pacheco.

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Speaker 1: Was going to be the last person to touch that

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Speaker 2: I am going down.

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Speaker 3: With my best player determining my faith and Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: It's Pat Mahomes. And in every high leverage moment, it

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Speaker 1: It was just think about think about it. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what Andy Rique imagined him answering questions, Hey, fourth

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Speaker 1: and one Isaiah Pacheco, like you didn't keep the ball

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it has to be about the player.

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Speaker 3: It has to be about who's the best player, what

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Speaker 3: not also when you're coaching, you're not necessarily coaching against

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Speaker 2: You're also coaching against the other coaches' tendencies. Right, So

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Speaker 3: bring pressure, come Hella high water. If I'm back in

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Speaker 3: So for me, some of that is, hey man, you

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Speaker 2: You just got to know the play call.

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Speaker 3: They went from playing zone to man demand to if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look on the other side of it,

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Speaker 1: To me like it, you know, and the whole defense

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Speaker 1: many layups. They did not give layups in that game.

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Speaker 3: So Nick Bolton after the game talked about we had

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Speaker 3: And you know, DJ is funny because I've been waffling

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Speaker 2: In this league.

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Speaker 3: We had talked about past rush and don't worry about that,

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Speaker 3: but that game brought it back to me why you need.

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Speaker 2: To have guys that can lock up and play Manda Man.

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Speaker 3: Because DJ, if you can't play Manda Man in this

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing you know, everyone understands my relationship

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Speaker 3: We know what this is going to be like, we

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Speaker 3: give me like a little a little tibbit, like what

434
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Speaker 3: you learn from saving that is whatever he said Buck.

435
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 3: He said, what I can tell you, all the great

436
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 3: teams operate using the same formula.

437
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Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean. He said, it's

438
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Speaker 2: like your grandma making.

439
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chip cookies.

440
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Speaker 3: Your grandma's not going to go to the store and

441
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Speaker 3: get told house ready made. She's gonna do the old

442
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 3: school works. She's gonna grind it in there. She's gonna

443
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 3: stir all the stuff in there. The physical training camps,

444
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: the old school practice methods, all of that stuff still works.

445
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Speaker 2: And when you look at.

446
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Speaker 3: The teams that are the last one standing, they all

447
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 3: subscribe to that theory. Whether in college you talk about

448
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 3: Michigan and all those other teams that play, we talk

449
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 3: about the pros, Kanna City, San Francisco.

450
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Speaker 2: It works.

451
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Speaker 3: And so I know we're in this new generation where

452
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Speaker 3: we got all the stuff, but sometimes you got to

453
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Speaker 3: do the old school stuff to get your team ready

454
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Speaker 3: for these moments that games are decided in super Bowls.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's uh, you know, it's it's interesting. I mean,

456
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Speaker 1: it's it's a thing that I don't think it's mentioned

457
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Speaker 1: with them because we think about the chiefs, we talk

458
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: about the talent, we talk about the creativity. You think

459
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: about the you know, the consistency that they play with,

460
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, their clutch, Like I don't know that we

461
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: use the word grit. I don't know that we use

462
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Speaker 1: the word tough. I don't know if we use those

463
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Speaker 1: words enough. Like that's kind of a grimy, gritty team

464
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Speaker 1: And this was not the formula they've had. I tweeted

465
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Speaker 1: out afterwards. I was like, man, look, this was the

466
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Speaker 1: year to get them, you know, this is the year

467
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Speaker 1: to get them, and you didn't get them. And then

468
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: somebody wrote back and was like, how can you say that?

469
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Speaker 1: Like their defense was, you know, the best in the league,

470
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Speaker 1: Like this was not How would you say this is

471
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Speaker 1: the year to get them? Bla blah blah blah. It's

472
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Speaker 1: just a different points, Like they lost six games, they

473
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Speaker 1: had to go on the road and win in the postseason.

474
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Speaker 1: That is not going to happen very often. They are

475
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Speaker 1: going to be sitting with a buye. They are going

476
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Speaker 1: to be playing a home game and being the AFC

477
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Speaker 1: Championship game almost every year. This was the year where

478
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Speaker 1: they had to go the hard road and they still

479
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Speaker 1: got it done.

480
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Speaker 3: They were the most vulnerable that they've ever been this season,

481
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Speaker 3: the most vulnerable because you were catching them coming off

482
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Speaker 3: of winning a title with a young team, The natural

483
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: Tennessee is to kind of relax a little bit. They're

484
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Speaker 3: still trying to figure out how to operate on offense

485
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 3: because they went from being this aerial circus with Tyreek

486
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: Hill and Travis Kelce two. Now they're trying to kind

487
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Speaker 3: of like manage it and ball control it and figure

488
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Speaker 3: it out. And they did all that while their defense

489
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Speaker 3: became the strong.

490
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Speaker 1: Part of the team. Want six games, man, they lost

491
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Speaker 1: six games?

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Speaker 3: Do you know how emboldened they are now? After they've

493
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Speaker 3: won the way that they won. They went on the road,

494
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Speaker 3: knocked out all the top teams, they won a grimy,

495
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: gritty Super Bowl. They have seen it all. Do you

496
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Speaker 3: know what kind of confidence, what kind of armor they

497
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Speaker 3: have on now when they get into the thing, Because

498
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Speaker 3: they've done in every situation. When we're the favorite, when

499
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Speaker 3: we got all the games a home we won, when

500
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Speaker 3: weave an underdog and we had to go on the

501
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Speaker 3: road and beat everybody, We've done it.

502
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Speaker 2: There is not a.

503
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Speaker 3: Situation that they have experienced in the last five years

504
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Speaker 3: where they haven't been able to come out on top.

505
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Speaker 3: DJ That is a tremendous superpower that Andy Reid can

506
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Speaker 3: unlock with his team whenever he needs it.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

508
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Speaker 3: They got a lot tougher to deal with the Kansas

509
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Speaker 3: City Chiefs next year because of the success they had

510
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Speaker 3: this year.

511
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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: Think about this. The Baltimore Ravens lost on their defense

513
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Speaker 1: staff a head coach. You lost the head coach that left,

514
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: and you lost two guys who left to be coordinators.

515
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: You lost three of your three top coaches, top guys

516
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Speaker 1: on the defense. You look on the other side, they

517
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: lost some position coaches, while the assistant offense like some

518
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: other position coaches who've got jobs elsewhere their number two guy,

519
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: and the personnel side, GEO or Tie's got a GM job.

520
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: So you're kind of weakening all these different areas, and

521
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Speaker 1: they didn't get to hoist the trophy. Here we go

522
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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs with one of the most dominant

523
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Speaker 1: defenses we've seen in a while, especially in the postseason.

524
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Speaker 1: Spags doesn't even get an interview like he just he

525
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: didn't have a successful stint. So you have all this

526
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Speaker 1: continuity there. You don't lose him offensive coordinatory wise, there

527
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Speaker 1: might be getting one back. They're gonna probably add eb

528
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Speaker 1: coming back in Like, what the heck? This is an unbelievable,

529
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Speaker 1: unbelievable struck stroke of luck and genius that they have

530
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Speaker 1: this continuity here to go along with the best player

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Speaker 1: on the planet.

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Speaker 3: So let's think about that, right. League teams always plucked

533
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Speaker 3: from the most successful teams. Here we are talking about

534
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: the City Chiefs being a dynasty, and none of their

535
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Speaker 3: coaches depart.

536
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Speaker 2: Nobody even interviews their guys.

537
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Speaker 1: For the enemy couldn't even get a job. He'd left

538
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: to take a lateral position, and now he's going to

539
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: bounce right back.

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Speaker 2: No one even talks about it. So we talked about

541
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Speaker 2: that defense.

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Speaker 3: Normally, when you have like one of the best defenses

543
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Speaker 3: in football, there are people knocking at the door to

544
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Speaker 3: get at your assistance.

545
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Speaker 2: Nobody linebacker coach.

546
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Speaker 1: The heck is your How is your buddy not gotten

547
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: with the job he's done in the secondary? Does he

548
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Speaker 1: want to be Is he interested in being a coordinator,

549
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: because some guys just like I want to be a

550
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: position coach. You never I don't know how he doesn't

551
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Speaker 1: get a call. He never got a call despite the work.

552
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Speaker 3: David Dave Merritt, right, has not got a call about

553
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Speaker 3: in it at so DJ just think about we talk

554
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: about continuity, the answers to the test. Do you know

555
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Speaker 3: who you have a coaching staff that is able to

556
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: be together for so long? Do you know the calm

557
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: that takes place. We talk about how crazy it might

558
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Speaker 3: have been at halftime.

559
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Speaker 2: But they're like, hey, guys, look, we we've been here that.

560
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: We have so many things that we can reference in

561
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Speaker 3: the past where we've been here before.

562
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Speaker 2: Let's just go do this and that the egos.

563
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Speaker 3: That I guess have disappeared because everyone all the pieces

564
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: of the posle fit on the coaching staff. It's a

565
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: tremendous advantage that they're all together. So you're right, and

566
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Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh, we're gonna get him this year. How

567
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Speaker 3: how are you gonna get them? When the young guys

568
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: are getting better, they may move off of the Jerry snead,

569
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Speaker 3: but have other people ready.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: We talked at the top about the new England comp right,

572
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Speaker 1: we talked about Hall of Fame coach, quarterback tight end Kicker,

573
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Speaker 1: all that stuff about how about the continuity And they say, oh, well,

574
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Speaker 1: people left Annoyingland, the offense stayed the same, and guess

575
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Speaker 1: what when Josh McDaniels didn't work out, he came back.

576
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Speaker 1: Look at what happened when Bill O'Brien didn't work out,

577
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Speaker 1: he came back. Naggie didn't work out for the Chiefs,

578
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Speaker 1: he comes back. Eb doesn't work out, he's probably coming back.

579
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Speaker 1: Like the structure, it's the same. They just keep building

580
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Speaker 1: and building and building and building. So you're like, who

581
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Speaker 1: the heck's going to have a chance to take these

582
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Speaker 1: guys down? Well, I know one thing. If I'm like this,

583
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Speaker 1: if I'm like the Cincinnati Bengals and you have a

584
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: down year here there, you better think twice about making

585
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Speaker 1: a coaching change, because I want to keep Joe Burrow

586
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Speaker 1: and Zach Taylor together as long as we can so

587
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Speaker 1: we can keep building and not have to go all

588
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: the way back down to the bottom. The Charges have

589
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: been kind of they've been kind of in a mess

590
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Speaker 1: with this because Justin Herbert keeps getting new voices and

591
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: new people every single year. I think they're hoping with

592
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, now you can start building that, but you're

593
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Speaker 1: you're four years behind. Like Mahomes has been in the

594
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Speaker 1: same thing for six years.

595
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Speaker 2: And he's finding it out.

596
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Speaker 3: He's only getting better and I will say this, one

597
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: of the reasons for the Baltimore Ravens success has been

598
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Speaker 3: the continuity and the consistency in terms of everything that

599
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: goes on in that building. So they haven't been able

600
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Speaker 3: to close the gap and kiss him. So now you're

601
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Speaker 3: talking about the flux that their defense may be in

602
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: as they're trying to adapt an adjust to newness, new coaches,

603
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: new tweak on the scheme that they're doing, and the

604
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Speaker 3: city gets to say there. I thought what was interesting

605
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid talked about texting with Antonio appears this week

606
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: just talking about how he thanked them by that tail

607
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: kicking they got on Christmas Day because it woke them up,

608
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: players and coaches, and they kind of found their way

609
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: to go into it. Nick Saban always talks about never

610
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: waste a failure. The Kansas City Chiefs were able to

611
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: take a failure and become a better team.

612
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Speaker 2: And the only way you can do that.

613
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: Is you got to be very honest with yourself on

614
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: who you are, what you are, and what you were about.

615
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: And they were able to do it. And I think

616
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Speaker 3: it's interesting that you point out this thing about I

617
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: never thought about, like the continuity or the thing with

618
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: the parallels with the Patriots in terms of head coach, quarterback,

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Speaker 3: tight end kicker. I think that's interesting. I don't know

620
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Speaker 3: what is there, but I just think about, like, look,

621
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Speaker 3: we know the brain trust, the head coach and the quarterback,

622
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Speaker 3: the tight end. Though we always talk about winning games,

623
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Speaker 3: you got to dominate the middle.

624
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Speaker 2: Of the field.

625
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: The tight end is the easiest weapon to utilize over

626
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Speaker 3: the middle of the field.

627
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Speaker 1: Except that's matchup on the fiel. It's the most advantageous matchup,

628
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: the best matchup you're going to get there.

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Speaker 3: And then the nails kicker. Because let's talk about this

630
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: because of special teams. So great coaches understand all three

631
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: phases offense, defense, special teams. The Kansas City Chiefs blocked

632
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: the BA team. They got a turnover on a botch return.

633
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: It bounced off somebody's leg. He tried to pick it up,

634
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: didn't get it.

635
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: Turnover.

636
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Speaker 1: DJ was a touchdown the next play.

637
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: Next play, And remember Kent City was scuffling on office.

638
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: They couldn't get anything going, and you gifted them a

639
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: touchdown opportunity. I just think it's the great coaches in

640
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: great teams, they win in the hidden areas. The areas

641
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: that maybe some teams like a you know what, we're good.

642
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: We don't need to work on that today. We don't

643
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: need to talk about but like we're good on special teams.

644
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: The great teams spend a little extra team and everyone

645
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: has always talked about this, especially coach Da've talk about

646
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 3: being able to win that area. They dominating special teams,

647
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: and it showed up in a key moment in the

648
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

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00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Yep.

650
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Speaker 1: And I also would say, you know, give Brett Veach,

651
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: who I was with in Philadelphia, a lot of credit

652
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: as well, because when you think about it, Buck, when

653
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Speaker 1: you when you pay the quarterback, then you mentioned it

654
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: like the margins, like you have to pay attention to everything.

655
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: In other words, you are churning the roster at the

656
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster. Hey, Nicole Hardman wasn't em on

657
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: their team to start the season, But you're always monitoring,

658
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: how do we get better? How do we get better?

659
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: We can't do it, you know with the high ticket items.

660
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Well he's not the Jets don't want them. We can

661
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: we can use him. We use another piece here.

662
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: Another example of we bring you back.

663
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Come on, come on back, doesn't work out there, Come

664
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: on home, Yeah.

665
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: We'll bring you back. As crazy as that is.

666
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's fine, no hard feelings like either way,

667
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: we'll bring you back. You know what it is, you

668
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: know what the program is. Maybe you have a greater

669
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: appreciation for the program now that you've been elsewhere.

670
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: M I think they was trying to think of other

671
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: guys that they've had. Who am I? Who am I

672
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: thinking of with the Patriots, because the Patriots had some

673
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: players go away, not have success and then come right

674
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: back in. Well, I mean obviously didn't work out with J. C.

675
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Jackson last year, but they've had they've had other guys.

676
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of who it was.

677
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Who is the linebacker that was there that went to

678
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Cleveland and then came back. Wasn't it wasn't high towered, No,

679
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: they had They've had a few different guys that they

680
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: brought back.

681
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I can think I can see him now,

682
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: big tall, athletic linebacker. Wasn't Chris right now?

683
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: There was somebody they brought back last year.

684
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: They they've done Jamie Collins. Jamie Collins, Jamie Collins came

685
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: back right nice. Yeah, I feel like there's been other

686
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: guys too who have left and have way back.

687
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: Secondary guys that come back, they kind of understand the program,

688
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: joint jump right back in and really DJ I think.

689
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: But I think what that does is that speaks to

690
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: the organization and the structure of the program. You know

691
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: exactly what you're getting, like they're they're no secrets when

692
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: it comes to when you come here, his expectation, here's

693
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: what we deal with, and all that other things.

694
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: I think it's important though.

695
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: I do want to touch on this because you've been

696
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: with Andy and they've had a lot of success drafting

697
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: guys that may have been edgy. I won't all the

698
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: way call them characteristics, but they've done a good job

699
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: of taking guys that were kind of on the fringes

700
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: from a character standpoint, and they've been able to have them.

701
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: I think the interaction that you saw last night between

702
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid. When Travis Kelsey was coming

703
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: out of Cincinnati, there were some questions about his character

704
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: and stuff coming out of the University of Cincinnati, but

705
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: in Kansas City, he not only has developed into a

706
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame tied end, he's one of their best players.

707
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: He's a leader for the team.

708
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: But you saw emotions running hot, and we've seen it

709
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: a few different times this off season where he's thrown

710
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: his helmet, He's done that stuff. But Andy Reid has

711
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: been able to kind of rein him in working side

712
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: by side with Andy Reid, What can you give us

713
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: on the character thing and how that fits into like

714
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: what either disqualify as a player or what is it

715
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: about some guys who have like fringe character that he's

716
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: been okay because he did it with Michael Vick and

717
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: he's done with others.

718
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: How is he able to get those guys on board?

719
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Well? And it's the phrase that you know, as we've

720
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: talked about it for years, it's it's a difference between

721
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: character and football character. So and for people that listen,

722
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: it would have been what character's character? Well, football character

723
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: means I love football, I am passionate about football. I

724
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: work at football. I've had other issues around that have

725
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: that have got me in some trouble and I haven't

726
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: done things the way I should do them. But at

727
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: my core, I have a passion and a love for football.

728
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: And what the belief that Andy has is if that's so,

729
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: if football is that important to you, then we're going

730
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: to relay that message to you that, man, if we

731
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: don't clean up some of this other stuff, you're going

732
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: to lose what you love and what you're passionate about.

733
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: And they channel that and then that's why, Like even

734
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: guys that people say like attitudes like DeShawn Jackson was

735
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, he had you know, his attitude was great.

736
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson loved football, he loved to practice, he loved

737
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: to compete. And then Andy's like he sees that, He's like, Oh,

738
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: those are the guys I want. I mean, those are

739
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: the guys that I want that are passionate about this

740
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: game and that love ball, not guys who just want

741
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: to make a bunch of money. And I just happened

742
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: to be real athletic and real talented. But I mean,

743
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna show up when I need to

744
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: be there. I'm gonna leave as soon as I can.

745
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Like that's not that's different. Now, that's not what he's

746
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: looking for.

747
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 3: So it's great that you brought it up because they

748
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: asked him about that in post game about the interaction

749
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: with Travis Kelsey, and the first thing he said, he's like,

750
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just a great player that wants the ball,

751
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: like he just was frustrated he hadn't got the ball.

752
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: But that's not I think DJ.

753
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: He was dismissive of it, like yeah, I mean he

754
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: wanted a ball, like okay, I'm okay with that, Like

755
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm okay with all of the energy and all of

756
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: that other stuff.

757
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: At his core, good football players want the ball.

758
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: My job is like, Okay, he made me aware, So

759
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: now I just got to make sure that I want

760
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: to be involved. So when you talk about guys that

761
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: love it so he is, it's easy for him to

762
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: look at Travis Kelsey, who's working hard, who's done all

763
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: this other stuff, to be like okay, yeah, that's just

764
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: him expressing to me, I can do more. I can

765
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: And you notice in the second half he did a

766
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: lot more, even more opportunities, and he did it. I

767
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: just think the underrated part of being a head coach

768
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: is understanding your players and understanding how to manage the

769
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: different personalities. I give this person this part, but I

770
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: give this other person something else. I can handle all

771
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: of these things because the football character is right.

772
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: I got to get them to clean up yeah, other

773
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: stuff and behave maybe some behavioral stuff we can clean

774
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: up but if they love.

775
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: Ball, oh I can. I can tap into that.

776
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: And He's had a lot of success doing that with

777
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey Hill, Michael Vick, and the list goes on

778
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: and on and on when it comes to it.

779
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, the interesting thing is a lot of times

780
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: the guys who display their passion on the field and

781
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: it comes in ways of it might be anger, it

782
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: could be guys that are emotional. You've seen guys that

783
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: cry all those things. But a lot of times when

784
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: you get that person away from the field and you

785
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: ask him this question, Hey, tell me about your week,

786
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: tell me about your preparation. Who the guys who are

787
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: that passion of that emotional are the guys who put

788
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: the most into it and have the most on the line.

789
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, the guys who walk off the field and

790
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: shrug their shoulders. The guy who didn't do anything extra

791
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: that doesn't I mean, you can have that guy like

792
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: that's my whole thing, and we'll see. Like I know,

793
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: I won't get off on a tangent, but like I know,

794
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to enter into Caleb Williams season and

795
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear people go on and on about him

796
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: crying after a game that he lost, and he was

797
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: up there with his mom and the stands and he

798
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: was crying. I've seen people trying and picked out apart

799
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here going, I don't know. From my

800
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: time in personnel, I don't know where you think, Buck,

801
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: I'll take a guy who cares. I don't care. I'd

802
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: rather have a guy who's throwing something or crying with

803
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: his mom than the guy who shrugs his shoulders and

804
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: just walk off the field. That's that's my take on that.

805
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: Look, man, there's a there's a difference in liking it

806
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: and loving it.

807
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: I want people to absolutely love it.

808
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: And at that position that we're going to talk about

809
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: with Kayler Williams and quarterback, you gotta love it. You

810
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: can't fake your way through it. You have to be

811
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: one hundred percent committed to the game. That's the only

812
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: way you can be successful at it. When you listen

813
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: to Pat Mahomes, there is no doubt in our minds

814
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: that Pat Mahomes absolutely loves the game. I think it

815
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: was eye opening for us when we brought him into

816
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: the studio and had him on the pod, and it

817
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: was right after like we had done the rankings, and

818
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: the other stuff, and you're like, man, if I'd only

819
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: talked to him, But his ability to convey and articulate

820
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: what he's doing, his ability to clearly tell us his

821
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: plan and his process throughout the week getting ready for

822
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: the game, his recall of games, and I mean I

823
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: remember you asking him about to play at TCU and

824
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, you're talking about one down in

825
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: the right corner where I did.

826
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: He was able to do it. As we get.

827
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: Down the road, when it comes to the players, we

828
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: talk about hits and misses. It is rare that you

829
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: miss on someone who absolutely loves the game. The ones

830
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: that we typically miss on are the ones that just

831
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: didn't have the interest, didn't have the level of commitment

832
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: that is required to play at a high level.

833
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: In this game. Last last thing here, as we're wrapping

834
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: this up, I was flashing back at the end of

835
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: that game. You remember when Kadarius Tony lined up off

836
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: sides and they had the play called back, which would

837
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: have been an unbelievable winner against Buffalo in the regular season,

838
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: And after the game was over, people got after Mahomes

839
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. He took some heat because after the

840
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: game he went up to Josh Allen, so that's the

841
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: worst call I've ever seen or something. He complained instead

842
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: of like just congratulating Josh Allen and kind of moving on.

843
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: It was eating him alive that that play got called

844
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: back and some people hit him, and I'm like, you

845
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: know what, no, I think that's kind of those guys

846
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: are wired different, man, Like that was personal, Like him

847
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: losing that game was personal to him, and he couldn't

848
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: hide it. He couldn't hide it. He couldn't even though

849
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: him and Josh Allen are buddies and I'm sure you

850
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: know he had the there's a lot of respect there,

851
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: but he was like, nahday, I didn't lose that game.

852
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Like that didn't That didn't happen like it was. It

853
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: was kind of telling when you look back on.

854
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: It, it's telling.

855
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: And I think the other thing is telling, like there

856
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: has been this shift over the Kansas City Chiefs where

857
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: they went from being kind of like the field, good story.

858
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: Everyone loved how they played, it was fun, it's hip

859
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: to now they've kind of become the villain there now

860
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: the evil Empire and Pat Mahomes was asked about it

861
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: in the run up to the Zoop Bowl and he

862
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: was like, look, man, I ain't never really worried about

863
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: being the villain. I don't really care about that. But

864
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: I like winning, and so if I'm gonna keep I

865
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: want to keep winning. So if you don't like me

866
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: because I went, then that's whatever.

867
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Do something. It's on you.

868
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep winning. DJ. I think there's something to that.

869
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: Like we talk about winners win and just understanding everything

870
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: that comes along with it. I think I want to

871
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: alter competitive people. I want people that are just competitive

872
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: and if my QB one is like that, it just

873
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: makes for the rest of the team to be like that.

874
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: I want I want to ask you one thing because

875
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: I'm curious on you think. So Chris Jones is up

876
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: and they have to make a decision on Chris Jones

877
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: and Garry Sneid and those things, and Chris Jones after

878
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: the game said I went up to Clark Hunt and said,

879
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: hey man, we got some special broom. We need to

880
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: work this thing out because we can do a lot

881
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: more winning. When you look at the can City Chiefs

882
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: offseason things and the number one thing, would you try

883
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: and find a way to get this thing done with

884
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: Chris Jones, even if it means letting lagerious Snead walk.

885
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: I think I would prioritize Chris Jones and not mean

886
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Sneid as good as it gets at corner, I think

887
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: it's I think it's easier and I say that not

888
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: knowing it's not easy, but it's easier to go try

889
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: and find someone to take over for Snead. I don't

890
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: know you're going to find anybody to take over for

891
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. And to the point where I was going

892
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: to spin it around and ask you if is Chris

893
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: Jones is could he be Charles Haley? You remember when

894
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: Charles Haley was the Niners and just him going to

895
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboy that was that was the difference. Dion Dion

896
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: did the same thing, right, you know, like that that

897
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: the almost look at it and say, man, the one player,

898
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: like if Chris Jones went to Cincinnati or Buffalo, is

899
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: that the one move that could flip the tide inside

900
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: the conference?

901
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: Like that is he?

902
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I think he might be that good? Like that could

903
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: be the one player who could be that guy.

904
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: He's a dominant player.

905
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: He's all this And it's so funny, man, because I

906
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: had this thing like it, did he have a bad

907
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: rap coming out of Mississippi State.

908
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: Did he have some stuff around?

909
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: It was some stuff, but it wasn't And.

910
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: No, no, okay because because I'm sitting here and when

911
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: I hear Man, he's so articulate in terms of being

912
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: able to just smart rude, like what is another?

913
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: Like, so I want I would say this. I know

914
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: he's like thirty.

915
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: I would always prioritize someone up front versus a backing guy.

916
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: But also given their success developing young players and this

917
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: draft class, I would.

918
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: They've done with these dbs. Look at look at what

919
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: your boy is done with d dbs.

920
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: Man, I would bank on we can develop a young

921
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: corner and they probably are. But remember because they drafted

922
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: so many, they've had guys that are working in there's

923
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 3: someone Joshua Williams. They got other guys talented that can

924
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: step up and play that.

925
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just wonder because it's going to be expensive.

926
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you keep them, but I wouldn't want. And my

927
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: my thing is it's one thing in him walking out

928
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: the door. It's another thing when we walked out the

929
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: door to one of your major.

930
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Competitors against him, you don't want to play against them.

931
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: You don't want to play against them.

932
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because I think, uh, well, I

933
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: think that Baltimore will probably tag mat at BK would

934
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: be my guest who is coming.

935
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: Off from he can't he can't leave, and yeah, like

936
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 3: I just think it's I think it's something something to that. Yeah,

937
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: it's it's a fascinating discussion what they have to do

938
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: with him.

939
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: They need to.

940
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 3: Eventually find someone to be apparent to Travis Kelsey because

941
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: he's on the he's on the down side, but you

942
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: need to have somebody there. But man, it's hard for

943
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: me to say that this team is going to take

944
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: a major step back when they have number fifteen in

945
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: the head coach. Like, as long as those twos guys

946
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: are there, they're always going to be a viable contender.

947
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: And man, that division, you know, we talked about your Chargers,

948
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: that division. Division, Division's gonna be a smoker now because

949
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: you not only have a good teams, but then you

950
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: got coaches.

951
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, AP's got the Raiders playing hard. Yeah no. And

952
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: that's the other thing too, is it's you know, Brady

953
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: went on that long run where that division was garbage

954
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 1: for a law for a big portion of his time there,

955
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: and I think, look, the AFC West has been dominated

956
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: by the Chiefs. There's been some some good opposition at times.

957
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: It feels like that's going to get better over the

958
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: next few years.

959
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got to make them work during the

960
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: regular season.

961
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: Like that's the other thing too, Like they've been able

962
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: for a long time, not this year, but they've been

963
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: able to skate through the regular season to get the

964
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: number one seed.

965
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to make them work.

966
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: But it's great anything about the Niners, So I feel

967
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: like we can left them any think quickly about and thoughts.

968
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we we hit on, you know,

969
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: defensive front. I thought played well. I don't think they

970
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: had the corners to to do what you had to

971
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: do in that game, which is to man those guys

972
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: up and challenge them. And I thought in the key

973
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: moments they couldn't do that. And then I thought the

974
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: green Law injury was huge. You look at Mahomes, what

975
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: he did? You know, he had what fifty nine yards

976
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: rushing in the second half with green Law not there.

977
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: That was that's the middle of the field. They took

978
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: advantage of that. So that was a big part of it.

979
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: I think, look, Hufunga, you know, you know, getting hurt

980
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: and missing the majority of the year.

981
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: JY R.

982
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Brown played well. He had a bunch of tackles and

983
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but I thought they missed him

984
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think that, you know, they're gonna

985
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: have to you know, ayuks A good is a good

986
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: route runner, but they're gonna have to find somebody else too.

987
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: I think I feel like they need another guy who

988
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: can win one on one man.

989
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: I think I think that's the thing that steps of

990
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to get off the pie without

991
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: talking about that. I think the one thing we've talked

992
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: about the successful receivers that dominate in the league their craftsmen,

993
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: and I would say the one area where the nine

994
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: is might be last I can out wide. I don't

995
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: know if they have a route running specialists in the fold.

996
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: I look maybe the best of their crew when it

997
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: comes to running routes. I don't know if they have

998
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: that guy that can, Hey man, I'm gonna leave you

999
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: one on one, you get open Justin Jefferson type or whatever,

1000
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: like just using Justin Jefferson as a visual. But I

1001
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: think that's the next step for them. They have to

1002
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: find someone who can win in that area. Because the

1003
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: Super Bowl was a game where they needed someone and

1004
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: you're giving us man coverage. This guy's gonna absolutely where

1005
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: you are you can get out that man to man. Yeah,

1006
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: I think that's the I think that's the evolution. That's

1007
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: the next step. Kyle Shanahan finding his Julio Jones on

1008
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: the perimeter. What he had in Atlanta. That one guy today,

1009
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a line up and I'm authorit to him.

1010
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: Ben there you had thirteen hundre yards. So it's hard

1011
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: to complain about that. But one other guy that in

1012
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: these moments they can really lean on to get open

1013
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: consistently against man coverage.

1014
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: And we talked about this was the year to get

1015
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. This might also have been the year for

1016
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers because to me, when you look

1017
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: around the landscape, the Lions are coming, the Green Bay

1018
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Packers and their youth, Uh, they're going to get better.

1019
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1020
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: The Eagles are maybe aging a little bit, and the

1021
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: news came out that Hassan Redick's probably gonna get traded.

1022
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: They might be coming back down. But I feel like

1023
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: those other two teams, man, that's uh, It's not gonna

1024
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: be a cakewalk for the forty nine ers. This was

1025
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of their year to get this thing done. Man.

1026
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was their year, and it's gonna be tough

1027
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: because the Rams are only gonna get better.

1028
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: Even though they have change.

1029
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: You're gonna eventually have to pay the quarterback here too.

1030
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the PAM.

1031
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: You have to pay a hefty chunk of the pie.

1032
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: And that's gonna change how you you build the rest

1033
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: of the team. And so all of the luxuries that

1034
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: you enjoyed with the extra money that you were saving

1035
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: from the quarterback that have to be redistributed. And the

1036
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: draft will be a big part of it. Their ability

1037
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: to draft and develop players, particularly on the defense side

1038
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: of the ball will kind of come into focus as

1039
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: they have to pay Brock Preddy big.

1040
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: Money yep and uh and shooting. We talked about not

1041
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: winning at all and have an attrition. They lost, you know,

1042
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: Adam Peters, who was number two and commanded personnel side.

1043
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: So again, the Chiefs, I don't know how they did it. Buck,

1044
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: They win the whole thing. They don't lose any coaches,

1045
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: they don't lose anybody in the personnel department. Just keep

1046
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. Man, it's good to be a chief.

1047
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: It is chiefs Kingdom is very excited about what has

1048
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: taken place, and they should be excited about west to

1049
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 3: come because it looks like there may be some more

1050
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: hardware in.

1051
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Their future, no doubt. By the way, it is draft

1052
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: season now we are officially in it. This is going

1053
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: to be the place to be too, because we're going

1054
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: to have pods coming your way every week, multiple pods

1055
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: where we'll be diving into the players. We're going to

1056
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: do more. I've got some feedback on this. We're going

1057
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: to do more on the teams as well. So we

1058
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: talk so much about prospects, we're going to talk about

1059
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: what these teams need as we head towards free agency,

1060
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: as we head towards the draft. So hopefully you'll join

1061
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: us on that ride. Anything else you want to have

1062
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: before we get out here, No.

1063
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: Man, great, great pot.

1064
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: I enjoyed these conversations when we have an opportunity to

1065
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 3: really die deep, not necessarily just talk about the x's

1066
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: and o's of the game, but some of the thoughts

1067
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: in philosophies behind some of the decisions that are made

1068
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: in terms of building these teams and kind of getting

1069
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: it together so you can be a championship squad.

1070
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: No doubt I enjoyed it as well. All right, everybody,

1071
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate you and we'll see you next time. Right here,

1072
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: unmove the sticks.