WEBVTT - #736 Packers Unscripted: No dice in Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague West and Hodkots. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you hear from our studios at lambeau Field. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the saddle on short sleep, Wes, and unfortunately we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an uplifting victory to try to perk up the proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>Here a tough loss for the Packers on Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>football at Allegiance Stadium in Las Vegas. The final is

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen to thirteen to the Las Vegas Raiders. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know we can talk about the struggles on offense in

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<v Speaker 1>the first half once again and all that. The bottom

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<v Speaker 1>line in the NFL is when you have chances to

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<v Speaker 1>win games, you've got to go win them. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers had two opportunities, two big time opportunities to score

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter of this game with first downs

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<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas territory, and both of those possessions ended

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<v Speaker 1>with interceptions, and that's how the Raiders came out with

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<v Speaker 1>a win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and last week you and I discussed me the

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<v Speaker 2>Raiders only had one takeaway in the season. It had

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<v Speaker 2>come a week earlier, but sometimes they do come in bunches,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the Raiders case, it definitely happened. In this case,

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<v Speaker 2>three interceptions for Jordan Love, two of those going to

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<v Speaker 2>that same linebacker for the Raiders, Robert Splaine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Splaine is How's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a new one for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm too tired.

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<v Speaker 2>I am as well, and you know, the Packers just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make enough plays. And I think the most bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>thing of this game was and we'll talk about the full,

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<v Speaker 2>overall encompassing part of it, but the Packers checked so

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<v Speaker 2>many boxes in terms of what you and I discussed

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<v Speaker 2>last week as the keys to victory, DeVante Adams did

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<v Speaker 2>not go off. I actually thought they did a really

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<v Speaker 2>good job against Josh Jacobs outside of really one twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four yard carry that started one of their long scoring drives.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they hit Andres Carlson won the kicking battle

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<v Speaker 2>against his brother. There were so many different parts to this,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mike Matt Lafleore talked about it after, where as

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned it in the intro, when you lose the

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<v Speaker 2>turnover differential the way Green Bay did to a team

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<v Speaker 2>that was dead last in the NFL. When it came

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<v Speaker 2>to turnover margin, it's going to be hard to find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to win. And for a team that did

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<v Speaker 2>not have Aaron Jones again for you in need of

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<v Speaker 2>a guy to step up. Christian Watson made a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of nice plays, but in the end, it just wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>enough and in Green Bay wasn't able to get that

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<v Speaker 2>one final play they needed to be able to pull

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<v Speaker 2>out a victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that fourth quarter was certainly frustrating because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Packers had a earlier in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>right after the Raiders had taken the lead back at

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen to thirteen. I believe it was the opening play

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<v Speaker 1>of the fourth quarter. They finished that ten play touchdown drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Packers came right back, had a first down at the

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas forty yard line, plenty of time left on

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<v Speaker 1>the clock. You're obviously looking to score a touchdown or

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<v Speaker 1>if you get a little bit further and can get

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<v Speaker 1>a field goal. It's seventeen to sixteen and it's game

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<v Speaker 1>on for the last ten minutes or whatever the case

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<v Speaker 1>might have been. But then the Packers take a sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the next pass is forced a little bit into

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<v Speaker 1>tight coverage gets deflected for an interception, so you get

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<v Speaker 1>a sack and a pick. Then, late in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>after Daniel Carlson clanks the right up right fifty two yards,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh McDaniels with an interesting decision there to try to

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<v Speaker 1>kick the field goal to go up seven, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to just go for it on fourth and one, which

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<v Speaker 1>would have essentially iced the game based on the clock

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<v Speaker 1>and the timeouts. But the Packers get a break there.

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<v Speaker 1>The elder Carlson hits the upright, so the Packers get

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<v Speaker 1>great field position on the forty two. You've got almost

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<v Speaker 1>two full minutes on the clock, you've got a time out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they get a first down at the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five yard line. Now, obviously you need a touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>because of that other missed opportunity. But then right when

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<v Speaker 1>everything seems to be going in Green Bay's direction, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a drop by Romeo Dobbs, a tough drop by

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Muskrave on a pass that Love's trying to fit

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<v Speaker 1>it in there with two defenders converging, so the passes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit behind Musgrave, I think intentionally, but he

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<v Speaker 1>gets his hands on it, can't hold onto it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have essentially two drops that then are followed by

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<v Speaker 1>an interception in the end zone when he tries to

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<v Speaker 1>take the shot to Watson and Love says he underthrew it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love stood at the podium and took his medicine. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to protect the ball better. Three interceptions. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he has to be better in that area. But his

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<v Speaker 1>teammates need to be better. Wess. I mean, the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>had their chances in this game, and you can't put

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<v Speaker 1>it all on the first year starting quarterback. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>be given up a sack when you cross into a

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<v Speaker 1>pony opposing territory. Can't be dropping passes with less than

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<v Speaker 1>two minutes to go. Packers have a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out on offense, particularly in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>With the last three games in a row, the first

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<v Speaker 1>half has been has been really a really big struggle

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<v Speaker 1>on offense. But the Packers have a lot more issues

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<v Speaker 1>right now than just the fact that Jordan Love through

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<v Speaker 1>three interceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just trying to figure out a plan. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>with Max c he wasn't How do I say this

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to be disrespectful to Max Crosby,

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<v Speaker 2>but Max Crosby wasn't moving around as much as Aiden

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<v Speaker 2>Hutchinson did, but then he comes on a stunt which

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<v Speaker 2>basically goes around the Packers' entire offensive line, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>gets to the quarterback. I mean things like that, you

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<v Speaker 2>just you can't have it happen that way. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like when we talked at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, Mike, it was all about, you got a

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<v Speaker 2>young quarterback, you need everybody else to raise their game

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<v Speaker 2>up to kind of take the pressure off of him,

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<v Speaker 2>and that just hasn't happened lately. I mean it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot on Jordan love to make things happen, to

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<v Speaker 2>make plays, and when you try to force the play,

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<v Speaker 2>you sometimes can force the takeaway and this was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those cases. I really like the plan coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the gate. It was it was very run heavy based.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there was some things about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>first fifteen plays maybe a lot of that scripted for

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones and you don't have them. But I thought

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<v Speaker 2>aj Dillon really stepped up. Has you ran for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>carries for seventy six yards? Had that one series after

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<v Speaker 2>the takeaway from ruby Ford where he marches down the field,

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<v Speaker 2>basically kind of pulling the offense on his back. Thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four yards on six carries. They get the touchdown, they're

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<v Speaker 2>only touchdown of the game. But when the Packers had

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<v Speaker 2>to go the full distance of the field, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>play air free football for ten plays, twelve plays without

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<v Speaker 2>a negative yardage, play without a penalty, proved really problematic

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<v Speaker 2>for green Bay. And when you go through a first

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<v Speaker 2>half and it's just one touch for Christian Watson, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>yet for Romeo Dobbs, nothing really for Jaden Reid, it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough to get the offensive wherethm going. It is funny though,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Green Bay was able to establish aj

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<v Speaker 2>Dillon I think went a long way to that seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven yard completion to Christian wattson absolutely the play actually

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<v Speaker 2>play rolling across his body.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, busted busted coverage there by the Raiders, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Watson made the big play.

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<v Speaker 2>But in those explosive games, if you're going to have setbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be able to counter with explosives. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's really the only one green Bay was really able

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<v Speaker 2>to muster in this thing. And and unfortunately, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>what the horse collar ends up only being three points.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that was that was a tough break because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned an insider inbox when I was writing

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<v Speaker 1>that on the plane in the wee hours flying back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that horse collar tackle inside the ten yard line,

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<v Speaker 1>the penalty only ends up being worth three yards. It's

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<v Speaker 1>first and goal in three. You still got to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to punch it in. That's a huge missed opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>four points off the board there when the Packers have

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<v Speaker 1>to settle for a field goal. But clearly that's the

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<v Speaker 1>punishment doesn't fit the crime there, right, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's that's a personal file, but it only ends

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<v Speaker 1>up being three yards, and essentially it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's an illegal touchdown saving tackle that works in the

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<v Speaker 1>raiders favor. You know, there's nothing you can do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know you can't. You can't rewrite the

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<v Speaker 1>rule book on something like that. But but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things that one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that went against the Packers. But you have to three

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<v Speaker 1>games in a row. Wes uh. The first half the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have just not been able to figure anything out

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<v Speaker 1>on offense. I agree with you. I thought the game started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know with the with the run heavy, the run

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<v Speaker 1>heavy stuff. It looked like a lot of the straight

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<v Speaker 1>ahead you know, more of I guess the classic traditional

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<v Speaker 1>running plays with AJ Dillon were you know, grinding out

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<v Speaker 1>some yards, moving the chains. There was a look like

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<v Speaker 1>a breakdown or miscommunication on that third down play in

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<v Speaker 1>UH in Raiders territory that then led to the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>first punt. But I think Matt Lafleur thought, Okay, the run,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those early runs with AJ Dillon were going

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<v Speaker 1>to We're going to set some things up, We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to open some things up, and then everything the Packers tried,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they tried some you know, some end around

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<v Speaker 1>or some more I guess unconventional or misdirection type of runs.

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<v Speaker 1>Those weren't working. The play action wasn't really doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love made made a bad, really bad decision on

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<v Speaker 1>his first interception, didn't see the linebacker and u and

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<v Speaker 1>threw it right to him that gave the Raiders three points.

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<v Speaker 1>Just nothing in the first half was working. And whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a matter of figuring out how guys like Aiden

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<v Speaker 1>Hutchinson and Max Crosby are not going to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wreck your offense and not going to dictate how things

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<v Speaker 1>go out there, or just finding something to hang your

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<v Speaker 1>hat on to get the offense going to get some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a rhythm established Three straight games with zero,

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<v Speaker 1>three and three points, whatever order those were in in

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<v Speaker 1>the first half, that's just making life way too difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for the green Bay Pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not just a Jordan Love problem. It

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<v Speaker 2>was an Aaron Rodgers problem too. It's almost like after

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<v Speaker 2>the DeVante Adams era ended, there were so many times, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in third and short, you can go to Devonte

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<v Speaker 2>Adams and everybody knew the ball was going to Devonte Adams,

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<v Speaker 2>but you could dial that up and you could find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to keep moving the chains. Green Bay has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of struggled to find that. And it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>if it's third and short or third and longer. I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>being able to get those opportunities something you can go to.

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<v Speaker 2>They've kind of teased it a little bit with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the Luke Musgrave plays, but then, like you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>later in the game, when you need that catch light,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not able to come up with it. First quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I get it three points now in the

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<v Speaker 2>last six points in the last three first halfs for

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<v Speaker 2>green Bay. I didn't take a lot of issue with

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<v Speaker 2>the first half, though, I thought the first quarter. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought the first quarter actually did set the tone. The

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<v Speaker 2>problem for Green Bay in this one was that second quarter, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, you come out, you have the three

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<v Speaker 2>and out, you have three you know, a negative yardage

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<v Speaker 2>play to Patrick Taylor, and you're not able to get

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<v Speaker 2>anything going after that, and then the interception to spallone

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<v Speaker 2>that is where Spalne sorry, that's where things started to

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<v Speaker 2>tilt a little bit more. Green Bay's defense got thrown

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<v Speaker 2>in some tough predicaments. They came up. I thought they responded.

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<v Speaker 2>First time since twenty eighteen that they've had back to

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<v Speaker 2>back third down sacks to end the opposing offense's initial drives.

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<v Speaker 2>First two initial drives. Rashaan Gary, I thought it to

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<v Speaker 2>you to make an impact. I thought, despite losing kway

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<v Speaker 2>Walker to the knee and Darnell Savage to the calf,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense rallied between the pieces that were there. But

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<v Speaker 2>it came down to those two longer series for the Raiders,

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<v Speaker 2>and when the Packers were unable to match that, it

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<v Speaker 2>produced points off that that's gonna be the outcome in

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<v Speaker 2>the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to talk about the defense a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too, because you know, if you had told me

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about this last week, if you

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<v Speaker 1>had said, all right, Mike, Josh Jacobs and DeVante Adams

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<v Speaker 1>are going to combine for less than one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty yards in this game, or I guess maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little more than that if you count Jacob's

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<v Speaker 1>receiving yards. But as far as Jacob's rushing yards and

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<v Speaker 1>adams receiving yards, I think it was one hundred and fourteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>was the total between the two. If you had told

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<v Speaker 1>me that, I said, I would have said, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers should be in great shape here, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, it was really only one play, one

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<v Speaker 1>damaging play by each guy. The one the twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>yard run by Jacobs that started the long touchdown driving

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<v Speaker 1>the third quarter, the one that ended on the first

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<v Speaker 1>play of the fourth quarter where the Raiders took the lead,

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<v Speaker 1>as it turned out for good. And then the the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one yard slant to DeVante Adams where the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>got caught in the bad matchup. Preston Smith has lined

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<v Speaker 1>up across from him. If you're wondering how that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and watch Matt Lafleur's press conference after the game.

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<v Speaker 1>He was asked specifically about it. He said, Hey, the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers were able to do that to other teams as well.

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<v Speaker 1>With Davante Adams. It has to do with the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>personnel aligning DeVante Adams in the slot, and then what

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<v Speaker 1>happens is if the defense is not able to check

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<v Speaker 1>out of a bad call, then the offense has something

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<v Speaker 1>that they can take advantage of. And I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make excuses. I'm speculating a little bit here, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to try to check out of that call,

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<v Speaker 1>not having either of your starting inside linebackers on the

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<v Speaker 1>field makes that type of adjustment a lot, a lot harder.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Packers got caught. Adams made the one really

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<v Speaker 1>impactful play he was going to make that got them

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<v Speaker 1>into the red zone, and then the Raiders are able

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<v Speaker 1>to finish that drive.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can, I just want to mention one last thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for people, if you didn't have a chance, you'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>touch on that. Well. Maybe I don't know how we'll

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<v Speaker 2>handle it in terms of our coverage, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>go back and watch the play, the Packers got caught

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<v Speaker 2>in one of their variants of their Penny personnel, So

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<v Speaker 2>you have three defensive linemen there. They used to toy

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<v Speaker 2>with this package a little bit with Clay Matthews two

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, where you actually have the third

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<v Speaker 2>five tech defensive lineman sort of playing the outside linebacker role.

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<v Speaker 2>He had his hand in his dirt. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was Kolby Wooden and I have to go back and look.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of that, you only have one inside linebacker

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<v Speaker 2>on the field, and you have your nickel personnel. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>when the Raiders go spread and they go empty backfield

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<v Speaker 2>and they have five receivers out, that means you now

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<v Speaker 2>have three cornerbacks. Isaam McDuffie is the inside linebacker and

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<v Speaker 2>then by proxy, Preston becomes the other slot cornerback. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just a tough situation Green Mead got caught into.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what all goes into that. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>need to get like how do you get Wilson over

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<v Speaker 2>to the right side when Preston is the only one

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<v Speaker 2>on that side with the leverage US, It's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to come across the formation to the other side. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really tricky situation where you may found

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<v Speaker 2>themselves in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's one of the it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to have. You've got to have an answer

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<v Speaker 1>for it. You've got to be able to check out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And you've got to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>that quickly. And when the offense, when the offense is

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<v Speaker 1>able to scheme that up, they catch you in. They

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<v Speaker 1>catch you in a bad matchup based on the personnel

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<v Speaker 1>grouping that you have. I mean that, that's that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an opportunity. The Raiders were were waiting for it.

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<v Speaker 1>When they got it. When they got it, they took

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of it. I will say too, though the defense

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned they stood tall in some spots. Certainly after

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<v Speaker 1>the first interception, a first in goal, I believe from

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<v Speaker 1>the seven yard line, the defense holds and and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and the Raiders have to kick the field goal bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and and late in the game. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson missed the field goal, but even if Carlson makes

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<v Speaker 1>the field goal, it's still a seven point game, and

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<v Speaker 1>the offense is getting the ball back there with with

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to uh, to stay alive in the ball game.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, by and large, yes, the two long drives

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<v Speaker 1>are frustrating. A fourteen play touchdown drive, a ten play

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown drive. The Packers had their opportunities to get off

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<v Speaker 1>the field on both of those drives. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, you hold a team in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL to seventeen points, that's a game you expect to win.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I mentioned an insider inbox, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest regret that comes out of this game, especially heading

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<v Speaker 1>into the buy and all this time to stew about

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<v Speaker 1>it and think about it, is the Packers wasted a

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<v Speaker 1>game where the defense played well enough to get you

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<v Speaker 1>a win, and that's not always going to happen in

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<v Speaker 1>this league. But the defense played well enough to get

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<v Speaker 1>the win and the offense didn't do its part well.

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<v Speaker 2>Russell Douglas talked about in the locker room afterwards. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it almost felt like destiny that we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>find a way to win this because we were getting

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<v Speaker 2>the stops and you just thought offensively, they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to find that one big play. It didn't quite happen, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>and it played out the way it did. But my

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming takeaway from this, when I was looking back at

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to reassess how everything went down was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay was in a position once again to win

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<v Speaker 2>this game. But unlike you could say the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these other contests like the Falcons one where

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<v Speaker 2>you found a way to lose it light, the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't find a way to win it. And for

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<v Speaker 2>that reason, now they sit at two and three now

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<v Speaker 2>entering the bye week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean where you're at right now, they're really realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>three of the five games have come down to crunch

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<v Speaker 1>time and the Packers have come through in crunch time

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<v Speaker 1>once and they failed in crunch time twice. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is why you're two and three. That is why you're

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<v Speaker 1>below five hundred at the break, because because what you

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<v Speaker 1>do when the game is on the line is what

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<v Speaker 1>matters more than anything else as far as the win

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<v Speaker 1>lost column, and the Packers quite frankly have the record

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will mention because before we transition out of this,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to offer a tip of the captain

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobe Myers. I thought he had a really strong game

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<v Speaker 2>in this thing. It wasn't about Devontae Adams, but Myers

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<v Speaker 2>became the guy that's to start moving the chains for

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<v Speaker 2>them until DeVante made some of those bigger plays late

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<v Speaker 2>seven catches seventy five yards. They were very opportunistic with

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<v Speaker 2>their tight ends as well. Jimmy Garoppolo did what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>He found ways to kind of chip away at this

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<v Speaker 2>thing and ultimately put the Raiders in a position to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Unfortunately, four sacks by the defense, the one interception

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<v Speaker 1>of missed interception by Rasul Douglas that I'm sure he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to regret for a while. Those you know, those

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<v Speaker 1>all played a factor here. But the Packers are two

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<v Speaker 1>only show this week because of the buye and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to take some time away from the

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<v Speaker 1>office plug in for home recharge as best we can,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to talk a little bit, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about bigger picture and what's even coming up this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The Detroit Lions are four and one. They are now

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<v Speaker 1>two games clear of everybody else in the division. And

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<v Speaker 1>lo and behold, there's only one matchup in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>this coming weekend that pits two teams against each other

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<v Speaker 1>with only one loss, and it is the Detroit Lions

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<v Speaker 1>against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting one. It's on the road. Detroit has to

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<v Speaker 1>go down to Tampa Tampa coming off of a bye.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if in Week six anybody would

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<v Speaker 1>have circled Detroit and Tampa Bay as maybe the most

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing game on the NFL schedule. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>one a lot of people are gonna have their eyes on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Will and credit to the Lions. I mean we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it, you and I on Sunday. They did

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<v Speaker 2>what they were supposed to do against a winless football team, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>dictated terms, and I thought they just dominated. Jared Goff

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<v Speaker 2>was exceptional. I thought David Montgomery, ever since coming back

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<v Speaker 2>from the sty injury, has looked really good. Just completely dominated,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the second half of that game. Tampa Bay

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<v Speaker 2>is so scrappy and they have weapons, like I think

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<v Speaker 2>people kind of forgotten. I'm probably included in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin didn't go anywhere. They're

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<v Speaker 1>still there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still there in Baker Mayfield's using them. It's funny

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't even say, well, the running game isn't

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<v Speaker 2>being that productive. It wasn't that productive last year with

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard Fournett either, so, but defensively, they still have a

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<v Speaker 2>really good nucleus there. I think that's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>really good test for Detroit's offense, seeing how they manage

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<v Speaker 2>with the team of that caliber. But certainly when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about teams that you know weren't exactly expected to

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<v Speaker 2>be front runners in the NFC, these have been probably

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<v Speaker 2>two of the bigger surprises to varying degrees out of

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<v Speaker 2>the gates so far this season.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other one with the Packers on there By

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<v Speaker 1>that the fans of the NFC North will be watching

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota's at chic Iago. Both teams are one and four,

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<v Speaker 1>So barring a seventy minute stale mate, as I like

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<v Speaker 1>to say, one of these teams is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>one and five and in last place by their lonesome

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFC North, the Vikings. Vikings gave the Chiefs

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<v Speaker 1>all they could handle, took them, took them right to

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<v Speaker 1>the wire, and the Bears still trying to still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure some things out, letting some opportunities get away.

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<v Speaker 2>Well now justin Jefferson's on injured reserve. So I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that that's gonna be an ultimate test here. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin O'Connell talked about it. You have to maybe do

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<v Speaker 2>things a little bit more unconventional on the Viking side

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<v Speaker 2>of things. But that's a tough blow because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that is your MVP, that is your cornerstone of your offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he's not available with his hamstring for at

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<v Speaker 2>least four games, it's gonna be a tough tough thing

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<v Speaker 2>to overcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to run one more thing past you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I almost can't believe, you know me of the

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<v Speaker 1>it's the week to week league, right, I almost can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe I'm going to ask you this, but feels like

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<v Speaker 1>I have to because Philadelphia Eagles in the San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine ers are both five and zero it feels

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<v Speaker 1>to me like it's going to take either a major

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<v Speaker 1>upset in January or a significant change of fortune for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody before January for these two teams not to meet

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<v Speaker 1>again for the NFC title. And it's crazy to say

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<v Speaker 1>that in the middle of October, But does it feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Boy? And they both reloaded, Mike, I mean like they're

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<v Speaker 2>both better, I think versions of themselves. I mean, DeAndre

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<v Speaker 2>Swift has sort of found a new chapter of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks like a completely different player in that Eagles offense,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is wild because we're seeing David Montgomery

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<v Speaker 1>look almost like a completely different player and the Lions

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<v Speaker 1>offense compared to you know, all of his and I

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<v Speaker 1>know some of it was health related, but all of

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<v Speaker 1>his like you know, fits and starts with the Bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because with the Bears it almost seemed like he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of was more gadgety, like he can catch the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't like between the tackles, he wasn't as productive.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been really surprised by, I think how well Swift

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<v Speaker 2>is fitting in the offense and how much they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to just kind of regroup and build forward I

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<v Speaker 2>thought Galen Hurts is coming off one of his better

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<v Speaker 2>performances of the season in San Francisco. What can you say,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you completely manhandle a team like Dallas that

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<v Speaker 2>is expected to be out one of the other front

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<v Speaker 2>runners in the NFC.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, that was that was the definition of a hitting

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<v Speaker 1>on all cylinders game in every phase. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't. You don't see teams do that in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, early to mid October, you know, for to

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<v Speaker 1>put together a performance like that so early in the season.

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<v Speaker 1>But that forty nine Ers squad man they have, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a way of always getting up for the biggest games,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like they knew that was They knew

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<v Speaker 1>that was a big game. They were ready for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I still am not convinced we've seen the best of

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<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia Eagles yet. I still think their arrow is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pointing up to wherever they're going to reach

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<v Speaker 1>their peak. I don't think the forty nine ers can

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<v Speaker 1>play anybody can play any better than they did on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday Night against the Cowboys. I guess the question is

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<v Speaker 1>ken how long can they stay at that peak? There's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a valley at some point there are

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<v Speaker 1>just too many games to play, but both of those teams,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard not to like what you see out of

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<v Speaker 1>those squads.

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<v Speaker 2>And as much as we talk about the Raiders getting

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<v Speaker 2>DeVante I mean, Philadelphia getting AJ Brown could potentially go

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<v Speaker 2>down as one of the biggest trades of this era

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<v Speaker 2>of football. I mean just it has been an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>game changer for their passing game, and I think even

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<v Speaker 2>in AJ Brown's case is really it's taken him from

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<v Speaker 2>being one of the best receivers to being now one

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<v Speaker 2>of the truly elite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Well, with that, we will call it a

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<v Speaker 1>rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted and we will

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<v Speaker 1>head into the bye week. As I mentioned, this will

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<v Speaker 1>be the only show this week, but we will be

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<v Speaker 1>back next week on our regular schedules, so be sure

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<v Speaker 1>to follow all of our coverage of the team on

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<v Speaker 1>dot com for WES. I am Mike. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.