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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The It's been a hard days night. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as the NFL Draft comes to an end after three

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Speaker 1: days and two hundred and fifty nine picks, coming up,

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Speaker 1: we'll hear from members of the coaching staff on the

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Speaker 1: five players selected by the Bengals on Saturday, and then

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joins me to discuss the final day of

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Speaker 1: three of the draft. For the second straight year, Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: used its first three picks on defense. After not having

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to discuss offensive players with reporters prior to

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Speaker 1: Day three, offensive coordinator Brian Callahan jokingly wore a hello,

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Speaker 1: the fourth round selection of Purdue wide receiver Charlie Jones.

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Speaker 1: Jones led all FPS receivers last year with one hundred

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Speaker 1: He primarily played outside receiver at Purdue, but he has

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Speaker 1: receivers coach Troy Walters.

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Speaker 2: And has great ball skills. Anytime he's in a fifty

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a.

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Speaker 2: Know, twelve yards, and he's gonna get twelve. He knows

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Speaker 2: how to manipulate coverages, the defenders at the top of

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Speaker 1: Since the Bengals have one of the NFL's best wide

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Speaker 1: receiver Trios and Chase Higgins and Boyd Jones's biggest opportunity

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Speaker 4: He's got a path to see the field potentially in

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have not returned a punt for a touchdown

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Speaker 1: in the last ten years. The Bengals Booth podcast is

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Speaker 1: Find both inside the Bengals app. In the fifth round,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals chose a running back, Chase Brown from Illinois.

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Speaker 5: And then we'll just see how it all shakes off

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Speaker 1: the Bengals took a lottery ticket of sorts in Princeton

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Speaker 1: wide receiver andre Yosi Vosh. He's six ' three added

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Speaker 1: an incredible as athlete, earning first team All American honors

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Speaker 1: his wide receivers coach Troy Walters.

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Speaker 2: We're we're excited upstairs to have a guy like this

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Speaker 2: we're gonna bring it out of him. And that's my job.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna learn to playbook and we're gonna go out

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Speaker 1: Bengals brought Yo C. Bosh to town for a Top

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Speaker 1: Alta Fiber by trading back three spots in the third round,

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Speaker 1: The Bengals received the final pick of the sixth round,

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Speaker 1: and they used it on Michigan punter Robbins after taking

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Speaker 6: You know, he brings something different that we haven't had

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Speaker 3: He's obviously played a lot of big games at AD Michigan.

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Speaker 6: The other attractive thing too is he held, you know,

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Speaker 6: I feel very confident in Brad's ability to come in here.

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Speaker 1: The bengals seventh round pick was cornerback dj Ivy out

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Speaker 1: Ivy has certainly experienced. He played in fifty eight games

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Speaker 1: a draft wrap up with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the five picks the Bengals made on

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Speaker 1: Day three in the fourth round, Wide receiver Charlie Jones.

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Speaker 7: So I think that Joe Burrow will establish a real,

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Speaker 3: So he's he's really got it all. The other thing

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Speaker 7: You know, he's got sticky fingers, sticky hands, and he

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Speaker 3: I think he's a great pick. I really do.

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Speaker 7: I think that they got themselves somebody. He reminds me

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Speaker 3: That's I praise.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Joyner wound up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He had thirteen catches for one hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 7: Couldn't agree more. Dan, You know, the great ones, the

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Speaker 7: I mean, he rises to the occasion. There's there's no

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Speaker 3: But it seems like you know he.

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Speaker 7: Is, that's in his DNA. He just wants to compete.

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Speaker 7: He wants to compete at an extremely high level. He's

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Speaker 3: He's not surprised by things.

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Speaker 7: I think that you know, he's gonna he's gonna pick

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Speaker 7: this offense up very quickly. Purdue had a very sophisticated

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Speaker 3: These days.

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Speaker 7: It's not rowt tree, it's route forest. There's multiple trees.

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Speaker 7: I mean there's there's a lot of things that they

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Speaker 1: You reference the possibility of him being the four to

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's going to earn it.

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Speaker 7: But I think that that the vision is that that

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Speaker 7: you know, be the return guy as well as the guy.

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Speaker 7: So potentially you know that he could he could assume

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Speaker 7: like you say, the injury factor, and it's a wide

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Speaker 1: Let's move the fifth round draft pick, Chase Brown, the

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Speaker 1: A total of three hundred and twenty eight rushes last

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Speaker 3: The knock on him his ball security.

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Speaker 7: He had five fumbles. Well, that's a lot of handling

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Speaker 3: As much as he.

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Speaker 7: Is, Man's that's a that's a low percentage of you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, he was he was a work horse to

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Speaker 7: You know, you're not necessarily going to the house.

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Speaker 3: You move the chains, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, and when you move the chains on one carry,

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Speaker 7: I guess the offensive lineman is just pumped up a

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Speaker 7: he's a very very interesting, interesting pickup for sure. I

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Speaker 7: and it's going to be interesting to see that competition.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody figured the Bengals would draft at least

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor made it abundantly clear in his remark after

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And uh, you know the thing is Joe.

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Speaker 7: Mixon, He's He's proven himself over over the test of

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Speaker 3: The football as well.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't asked to do that much at Illinois, and

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Speaker 7: he definitely is his self admittedly, and he needs to

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Speaker 7: Defensive coordinators and defensive players, No, they're not throwing the

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Speaker 1: If the Bengals are able to re sign Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong? No?

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, I think that that Joe Mixon

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Speaker 3: You know, there's there's there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 7: But with that said, I think they can absorb that

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Speaker 3: That could change quickly.

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Speaker 7: Right right now, it's a you know, it's one vision

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Speaker 1: On to the sixth round, where the Bengals had two

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Speaker 1: andre Yo sivash Yo. Sivash I believe is how it said.

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Speaker 1: He is a lottery ticket tremendous size, sixty three two

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no question. I mean, in that ten taf on,

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Speaker 3: Your overall endurance, you know, is incredible.

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Speaker 7: Plus the fact that you know he's educated at Princeton,

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Speaker 3: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's somebody that is like, Wow, we have

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Speaker 7: He he is very very intriguing. There's there's no doubt

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Speaker 7: and and getting in and out of cuts with with.

439
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: With some vigor, you know, and get some separation.

440
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 7: I'm sure with his athleticism, he's just out athlete. The

441
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 7: IVY leagues outruns them, out jumps them out. Everything's well.

442
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 7: In the National Football League, you have to have a

443
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 7: lot more nuance and a lot more polished to your game.

444
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 7: And I think that's what that's what's going to have

445
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 7: to take place. And I think that they're excited about

446
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 7: doing that with this guy because he's a willing worker.

447
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 7: There's no question about that. There's there's no doubt that

448
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 7: he's going to give it everything that he's got. He

449
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 7: he was very, very excited about being drafted by the

450
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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Bengals. When we did the conference call with him,

451
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 7: and he's thrilled that he's got a guy like Joe

452
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 7: Burrow that is going to be delivering him the football.

453
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Speaker 7: And I think that he's going to make sure that

454
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Speaker 7: he does everything to not disappoint Joe Burrow and make

455
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Speaker 7: sure that Joe Burrow feels good about throwing.

456
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Speaker 3: Him the football.

457
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Speaker 1: On Friday Night, in the third round, the Bengals drafted

458
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Speaker 1: back three spots. They moved back three spots from ninety

459
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Speaker 1: two to ninety five. They wound up with an extra

460
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Speaker 1: sixth round pick, the last pick of the sixth round,

461
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: and they might have picked up their starting punter with

462
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Speaker 1: that pick. They drafted Brad Robbins from Michigan. He will

463
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Speaker 1: obviously be in a training camp battle with Drew Chrisman,

464
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Speaker 1: and Brad Robbins had a track record at Michigan of

465
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: great net punting. He's not a guy that's gonna rip

466
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Speaker 1: at sixty yards, but he's going to have great hang time.

467
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: He's going to place the ball well and try to

468
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Speaker 1: eliminate the types of returns that cost Cincinnati or helped

469
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Speaker 1: cost Cincinnati the AFC Championship Game.

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about it. I mean, I think.

471
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Speaker 7: He's a very unique punter in that he just doesn't

472
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Speaker 7: try to, you know, punt it eighty five yards. He

473
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 7: understands directional kicking, he understands placement. He talked about the

474
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 7: fact that he's got multiple drops for different situations.

475
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

476
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 7: He he can really, uh, you know, manipulate the football

477
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 7: to his advantage.

478
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 3: Uh.

479
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 7: He's He's an artistic punter. There's no two ways about it.

480
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 7: He's not He's not back there just trying to you know,

481
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 7: uh kick it the length of the football field. He

482
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 7: wants to help his team as much as he possibly

483
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 7: can by shrinking the field horizontally. You know, the worst

484
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 7: thing in the world is that the punt team expects

485
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 7: the punters to directly kick it to the punt team's right.

486
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 7: He kicks it down the middle or even shades it.

487
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: To the left.

488
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 7: There's nothing worse than you're running in the wrong direction

489
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 7: covering a punt, and then couple that with no hangtime.

490
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: Man, you're in You're in trouble.

491
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Speaker 7: And that's where Brad Robbins excels. You know, he has

492
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 7: tremendous hangtime. He puts it exactly where he's supposed to.

493
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 7: His coverage team can trust the fact that he's going

494
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 7: to put it exactly supposed to. He takes great that

495
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 7: It's going to be very interesting to see that that

496
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 7: battle take place. I think obviously, you draft a guy

497
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 7: he's he's got the inside track. You don't want to

498
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 7: waste have wasted. Even though it was the last pick

499
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 7: of the sixth round, it was a sixth round draft choice,

500
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 7: so they think a lot of him, and uh, he

501
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 7: and Darren Simmons seemed to be on the same wavelength

502
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 7: in terms of expectations from their punter, and it's going

503
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 7: to be very, very interesting to see him perform.

504
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals thought that there were two really

505
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: good punters in this draft and a third who is

506
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: a possibility. Well, the Michigan State punter was already gone, yep.

507
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: So the Bengals used that draft pick on Brad Robbins,

508
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: and then the third punter went just a few picks later.

509
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: So chances are if the Bengals had not used that

510
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: draft pick on Robbins, the team that took the third

511
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: punter probably would have taken him just a few picks later.

512
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And you know the other thing that Robins has

513
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 7: done so well, as he's an outstanding holder and the

514
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 7: kicker that he helped for in Michigan get drafted in

515
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 7: the third round, so he was part of a very

516
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 7: successful operation and he talked about that how important that.

517
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: Is as well. So you got you know, Ata Mitas.

518
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 7: And you know Brad Robbins will be the be the

519
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 7: holder for Evan McPherson and hopefully that is a is

520
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 7: a combination. That's a young group right there, and hopefully

521
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 7: they'll be working together, you know, for an extremely long

522
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 7: time if in fact it works out that way. So

523
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 7: you know, Darren Simmons has got that.

524
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: To look forward to as well.

525
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: The final player the Bengals selected in the seventh round

526
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: was a cornerback name d j Ivy. Pretty good size,

527
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: six feet tall, one hundred and eighty nine pounds, His

528
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: arms are nearly thirty three inches long four four six

529
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: forty time. He played in fifty eight college games, so

530
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: he's got experience. From everything I've read, he struggled early

531
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: in his career and then finished up pretty well. So

532
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, you're never going to get expected pro bowler

533
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: in the seventh round, but it sounds like this guy

534
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: at least has a chance to possibly contribute to an

535
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: NFL team.

536
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was one of the first two picks

537
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: in the draft.

538
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 7: You know, you went edge rush and then corner, and

539
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 7: you doubled down on the cornerback position. You know, obviously

540
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 7: the back end of the Bengals defense is being reworked,

541
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 7: being rebuilt, no two ways about it. They drafted a safety,

542
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 7: they drafted two corners. You know that they may not

543
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 7: be done. Eli Apple may come back into the into

544
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 7: the fold. I think the relationship but he has with

545
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 7: Muana Rumo is probably going to be something that goes

546
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 7: in that direction. I wouldn't be surprised. So, yeah, it's

547
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 7: this this guy. He's maybe a poor man's Joey Porter

548
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 7: in terms of very long arms at big hands.

549
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: And that's what was so.

550
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 7: Intriguing about Joey Porter, that that he had the ability

551
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 7: even if he was like right there in terms of

552
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 7: coverage that you know, inspector gadget length and those big

553
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 7: old buckers made it made a big difference.

554
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: Now he's been penalized quite a bit.

555
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 7: He done a little gravy and that's that's the one

556
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 7: thing that you know you have to watch out for

557
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 7: if in fact you're you have that that type of

558
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 7: skill set.

559
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: You don't want to You don't want to take that that.

560
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 7: For advantage and have a boy, uh take it for

561
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 7: granted to have it work against you. But they obviously

562
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 7: like his size, speed ratio and going to take a

563
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 7: good look. You never know, you may have drafted somebody

564
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 7: that is going to really be a job dropper when

565
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 7: training camp on folds.

566
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: All right, a couple of big picture topics before we

567
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: wrap it up. Let's talk tight end. The top three

568
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: tight ends on the depth chart, Erth Smith Junior, Drew Sample,

569
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Devin Assi Assi are only signed through this coming season.

570
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Considering that this was thought to be one of the

571
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: great tight end classes in the draft in the last

572
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: ten years, was it a bit of a failure not

573
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: to come away with a tight end.

574
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 7: You know, they feel pretty good about the tight end room.

575
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that they can't extend.

576
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, those those.

577
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 7: Tight ends, the ones that go out and perform. It's

578
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 7: a show me situation right now. Everybody's everybody's in the

579
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 7: same boat. Who's going to go out and perform? Who's

580
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 7: going to go out and have the have the big year.

581
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 7: They feel like earth Smith Junior is as good a

582
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 7: receiver as as they would have gotten in the draft.

583
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 7: I think you know, he came out as a second

584
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 7: round draft pick himself by another organization. Drew Sample was

585
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 7: the second round draft pick by the Bengals organization, and

586
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 7: Asiassi is either a second or a third.

587
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: I believe when he came into the league.

588
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 7: So they feel they've that that they've got guys that

589
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 7: were highly rated coming out of college and now have

590
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 7: some pro experience to go along with it. So there's

591
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 7: there's a little bit of a proof that they can

592
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 7: perform kind of scenario.

593
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Along with the fact that they were high draft choices.

594
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 7: So again, like we've talked about, it's it's such a wide.

595
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Receiver centric offense. Uh.

596
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 7: They felt like, you know, if you draft a draft

597
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 7: a tight end high, it's it's not it's not a

598
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 7: necessary thing to do. It wasn't It wasn't something if

599
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 7: they had another position group that was equal in terms

600
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 7: of the talent on the board. Need is gonna over

601
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 7: overrule the day. It's going to determine the outcome of

602
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 7: the decision. Everybody's structure of offense and defense is different.

603
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 7: Everybody's board looks different. As a result of that, the

604
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 7: Bengals are more you know, three receiver sets as much

605
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 7: as anybody in the National Football League. They don't put

606
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 7: a premium on tight ends as much as they do

607
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 7: wide receivers. So it's uh, I guess when they made

608
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 7: those two signings Dan right before the draft, when they

609
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 7: signed Sample and they signed Earth Junior, they felt like

610
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 7: they took care of took care of any problems that

611
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 7: there might be. Maybe they'll bring another one in for

612
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 7: you know, during training camp, in college free agency or

613
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 7: a veteran free agency as it gets closer to training camp,

614
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 7: if there's anybody still out there that they feel can

615
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 7: can compete. They didn't want to expend one of their

616
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 7: draft picks on a tight end. They felt they had,

617
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 7: you know, other fish to fry.

618
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: My final topic is offensive line. The Bengals did not

619
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: draft any offensive linemen, no tackles in particular. They can't

620
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: trade Jonah Williams, now, can they?

621
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, I really don't. You know.

622
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 7: I think I think that they're also that the time

623
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 7: will heal wounds. He's he feels you know, he's uh,

624
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 7: he has to get over the the shot and uh,

625
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 7: you know, it's just just it's it's.

626
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: One of those things where you feel like you.

627
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 7: Were knocked down. You got to get back up, dust

628
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 7: yourself off, and go peat. And I think ultimately that's

629
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 7: what that's what's going to happen. I think they still

630
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 7: like Jonah Williams as a football player. They want to

631
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 7: see him go and go out and compete at that

632
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 7: right tackle position. And I think that's the way it's

633
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 7: gonna it's gonna shake down. Jackson Carmon is going to

634
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 7: get his opportunity as well. You know, they've got other

635
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 7: candidates at the right tackle position. I think it was

636
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 7: like during the course of the draft when offensive lineman,

637
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 7: when there were runs on offensive lineman, the Bengals had

638
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 7: other players rate it ahead anyway, so they addressed those positions,

639
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 7: and when offensive line was maybe a consideration with other positions,

640
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 7: they thought.

641
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, at this point in the draft, is this

642
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: is this guy? Is he going to roster? Is he

643
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: going to make the football team?

644
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 7: They get some depth in the offensive line already, and

645
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that they don't need more bodies to

646
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: go into training camp with, but they will.

647
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: They'll sign a college free agent tackle, and.

648
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 7: They'll sign college free agent interior guy as well, uh,

649
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 7: they'll go to training camp with plenty of bodies to

650
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 7: get through training camp.

651
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: But I feel like they they they like what they've

652
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: got going on.

653
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 7: The offensive line in terms of the overall depth. And

654
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 7: I really can't say that I blame him. I mean,

655
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 7: you know, there's they've they've they've got eight people that

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Speaker 7: if they went into uh that they have to play

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Speaker 7: a game next week. I think they feel pretty good

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Speaker 7: about the eight guys that they'd have active on a

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Speaker 7: roster to go on and play in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Lap the draft has finished, our work for the weekend

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Speaker 1: is done, and mel kiper can go into hibernation.

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Speaker 7: Mel kiper Man, I'll tell you, you talk about a

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Speaker 7: guy that created an industry, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He was. He was one of the one.

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Speaker 7: Of the the forefathers of it, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 7: Sure he was the first, but he certainly, uh, he

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Speaker 7: certainly was the biggest ar earlier.

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Speaker 3: There's no question.

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