WEBVTT - The Hardcore History Crossover Episode 2.0 - Dan Carlin talks Coach Prime, CFB Conference Realignment, and Hated Rivals 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.600 On today's episode, Hardcore history meets hardcore college football. Welcome 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.240 to the solid verbal hell. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.120 That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.120 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.079 be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.080 Edith state is that woo woof? And Dan and Tye. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.119 Welcome back to the Sole All boys and girls, My 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.840 name is ty Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there as 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:34.000 always the illustrious Dan Rubinstein, Sir, Welcome back to the show. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:34.680 How goes it? 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.960 How are you can't complain? Ty just went on a 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.800 Costco run. Not a sponsor could be. I always hesitate 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:45.040 about dropping proper company names, but Costco started ubiquitous at 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.960 this point. Took two little monsters to Costco. We ate 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.080 our faces oft in life is good? Ty beautiful? Well, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.920 this show is good today. I'm excited about this show. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.279 We did it once last year in the build up 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.000 to the season. We're doing it again today. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.240 It is the hard Core History Crossover Episode. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:02.760 Two point zero. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:08.600 Dan Carlin, noted Colorado noted college football fan Dan Carlin 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.720 is stopping on by. We reached out to him, wanted 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.200 to bring him on. Look a lot's going on since 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.280 we had him on a year ago, with respect to Colorado, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.000 with respect to Colorado's now old conference defunct conference, just 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.360 college football as a whole wanted to bring Dan back 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.080 on just as like a nice little appetizer to the 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.720 season head. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.000 So we've got a terrible Colorado season in the rearview mirror, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:39.560 hiring the biggest name in terms of flashiness and newsworthiness 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.000 in this past recruiting cycle, and coach prime Dion Sanders. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.319 It's chewing a future, is shooting shooting a future in 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.800 the Pac twelve for the Big twelve, Oh yeah, and 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.520 still playing a lame duck season in the Pac twelve. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.240 And the publicly claiming to be a Colorado football super 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.840 fan tells you that the Man News is college football, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.640 because not everybody admits to something like that at this 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.639 point in Colorado's history. So I love to hear it. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.639 I love to have Dan on the show and can't 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.640 wait to talk to him before. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:25.560 We get to the interview, though, Dan Breaking News, thank 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.320 you for filling in for me as the voice is 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.680 a little bit on the men. Dan, We've got our 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.639 updated Patreon perks for this coming season. At long last, 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.799 we finally rolled them out. Is there a website? There 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.440 is a website. It's called for Bowlers dot com. Okay, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.000 if you were ever so incline. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:41.680 Go and check it out. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.200 It is the biggest overhaul since we launched this thing 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.000 back in twenty twenty. We're super excited about it. You 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.239 want to know what's different this year? 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:49.880 Very quickly. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.240 I would love to first and foremost our weekly pick'em 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.640 game run the board. We have super charged it with 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.000 better prizes than ever before. The winner in week one 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.760 gets a PlayStation five. Can you believe it? 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:04.320 Did? 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.040 I sign off of us? The winner gets a PlayStation five. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.720 Okay in week one. At least once each month we're 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.840 gonna give away a similarly awesome prize to the winner. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.960 I'm not kidding. We beefed up the prizes this year 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.040 on a weekly basis. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:19.640 Yep. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.840 It will be worth your while to play each and 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.360 every week. Oh by the way, if you finish in 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.720 the top five at the end of all fourteen weeks, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.520 you get a seat on our board of trustees. Yes, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.359 so you can basically play every week the entire season 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.280 for twenty bucks if you're doing the math at home. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.680 Not a bad deal, especially if you're competing for cool 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.640 prizes like a. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:38.840 PS five in week one. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.200 Hello for ballers dot com is where you can find 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.720 out more. Also, you can listen to all of our 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.800 episodes ad free. Nice. We're so excited that we can 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.960 bring that to you the paying Patreon for baller Hood. Also, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.200 we have heard from you load and clear. You love 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.040 to learn about schemes, As luck would have it, so 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.960 do we. Yep, maybe we're not the ones to educate. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.240 That's why we've enlisted the help of our good friend 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.120 Jeff Schwartz, who is going to be stopping by every 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.440 other week and putting together a special video that dissects 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.160 the biggest plays in moments from the college football season. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.320 Our hope is that we can learn together about schemes 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.480 with you, with yes, our good friend Jeff. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.000 I like what you called it schemes. Even though it 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.080 is schemes, it's technically totally true. But when you just 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.760 say the words schemes, it's like you want to learn 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.520 how to defraud an insurance company. Jeff Schwartz is here 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.200 to tell you. I mean, who's to say x'es and 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.800 o's football scheme talk? And he's what I'll tell you exactly. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:33.200 What he's going to do. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.880 Right, we can go into detail. Jeff is going to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.960 take a big game from the previous weekend and he's 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.560 either going to look at a specific element of an 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.440 offense or defense and be like, all right, here's the concept, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.200 these are the rules, this is why it exists, and 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.719 here's how this team executed it super successfully to quash 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.000 the hopes and desires of the other team. And so 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.160 he has done terrific things with x's and o's in 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.479 both college and pro on video, and so that is 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.000 going to be exclusive to to patrons on verballers dot Com. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.600 That and possibly, we can't rule it out, some sort 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.839 of frank abag nail check washing scheme. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.880 Look, that's exactly where my mind went right when you 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.400 said we're gonna have an expert on schemes. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.440 Uh, you're also going to get access, extended access to 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.280 the episode that we're putting out on Mondays. Yes, the 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.400 bonus content that we've got on Thursday is going to 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.720 be completely new. We're gonna be doing team spotlights, We're 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.200 going to pop the hood on stats, break down rumors, 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.200 all the things that we want to do more of 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.240 but we haven't had the time to do during the 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.560 season because we're recapping in previewing games and last but 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.080 certainly not least, I mean, there's all sorts of perks. Now, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.240 we really did reimagine this whole thing. But you can 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.680 vote on the topics that we tackle next, you can 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.839 vote in the Verballer Top ten. You get access to 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.440 our discord. We're gonna be doing weekly rewatch alongs the 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.839 biggest games of the previous week. We can do that 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.000 on Discord. 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I think it's gonna 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:08.560 be awesome. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.120 Yeah, I think to expand on what you just said 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.920 about empowering people to sort of come up with new 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.640 segments and portions of the show, Essentially, there's going to 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.200 be a select group of patrons on here that will 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.280 be serving as segment producers, not telling us how to 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.039 do our job, but also they will be acting as 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:31.080 the angry townspeople with pitchforks and torches that say, you 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.720 know what, now is the time to talk way more 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.440 about Kansas State or Miszoo or Penn State or Texas 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.480 Tech or the fact that the Florida State job is open. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.000 Let's do an entire, huge, long segment about this, and 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:48.400 Ty and I will say, Okay, sure, great, done, it's 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:48.840 pretty cool. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.919 Verballers dot com v E R B A L L 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.000 E R S dot com. If nothing more, play for 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:54.960 the PS five man. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.160 Yeah, I really hope you just had promised a PlayStation 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.039 and then I could have set my old PS. But 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.719 alas you used the number five right there. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.120 We probably should have talked about this before. I just 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.160 sort of I just sort of went for it. But 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.960 for Ballers dot Com, hope you can join us this season. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.200 You'll hear more about this over the next two weeks 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.680 or so and throughout the season. Frankly, but Forballers dot 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.400 Com one more time. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.640 I guess you're a little bit you're burying the lead. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.160 We accepted the offer from Apple that the PAC twelve 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.200 was unable to secure, and uh, we've bought a lot 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.760 of PlayStation fives with that coin. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.680 Ty. That is a perfect segue to our guest of 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.040 honor today. He is the host of Hardcore History, of Course, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:40.760 our favorite history podcast. He's also a diehard Colorado Buffalo's 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.720 fan who is gracious enough to come back here for 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.480 a second tour of duty. Please to welcome back to 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.520 the Soliverbal Dan Carlin, Sir. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:48.840 How are you. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:50.440 I'm well. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 Thanks for having me. A lot's changed since the last 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:53.440 time we spoke. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.200 Yeah, I was gonna say so. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.000 The last time we had you on, I think it 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.160 was right after the news broke about USC and UCLA 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.040 going to the Big Ten. We obviously talked about that 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.520 and what it meant for college football fans as a whole. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.120 We had no way of knowing what will go down 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.640 at Colorado. How are you dealing with all of this 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.560 change in Boulder? 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.400 I'm adjusting, But you know, when you go one in eleven, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.360 everything looks hopeful from the one and eleven viewpoint. So 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.920 so I'm very hopeful, is what I can say. It's 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.160 really you know, I'm not a very flashy guy. I'm 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:29.920 one of those guys that likes to see the old 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.360 fashioned players who score a touchdown and hand the ball 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.440 to the referee and all that, and that's not the 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.679 game we have right now at Colorado, So I'm trying 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.040 to adjust to a different sort of amount of flashiness 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:45.240 and energy. But at the same time, you know, I 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.680 haven't had good reason to be hopeful in a while, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.160 so I'm enjoying that side of it, so exciting and hopeful. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.719 So it says it right in your podcast description. You're 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520 a guy who prides himself on unorthodox thinking. How would 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.560 you grade out the unorthodox methods of coach Prime so far? 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.400 Well, you know, it's funny because I mean, we all 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.080 come from an era where what he just did, in 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.160 terms of overhauling the roster wouldn't have even been possible. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.360 So when you talk about unorthodox thinking, this is unorthodox 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.120 thinking on his part. And in terms of the rules, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:19.920 I mean the fact that you can do this and 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.640 you may not be able to do this in the 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.760 very near future. This is a narrow window where something 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.439 like this is possible. But when you bring on I 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:32.480 think it's something like seventy new players. That's a complete transformation. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.199 And I know that USC and Oklahoma and some other 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.440 schools have done let's call it a lighter version of 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.920 this last year, so it's not totally unprecedented. But it's 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.280 going to be very interesting to see all the questions 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.080 that get answered, because when I read people who are 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.280 critical of this, they'll talk about how long it might 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.520 take to get these new players to gel and all 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.600 that sort of stuff. But here's the way I look 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.079 at it. God blessed the people we had on the 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.640 team when we were one and eleven. But this is 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.920 a huge each talent upgrade, so I can't see this 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.160 as anything other than a net positive. Now, maybe they 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.920 don't gel, Maybe these players left the teams that they 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.280 were on for some good reason, but we have to 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.200 be better than what we had. So that's the way 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:15.920 I'm looking at it. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.679 How much are you consuming the Colorado football off season experience? 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.240 Are you on social media? Are you watching behind the 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:29.120 scenes YouTube videos? Are you finding yourself charmed by Dion Sanders? 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.199 What what is your level of, let's say, consumption commitments 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.000 to the Colorado football experience. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.560 Yeah, listen, even when we're one and eleven, I'm over 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.880 consuming all of the all of the media and hype 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.600 and everything. But I have to say the funny thing 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.800 about the Dion Sanders thing, if I can, if I 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.320 can back up and sort of analyze myself from Afar 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.960 is that he's a lot more likable when he's your coach. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.480 You know, It's like it's all of a sudden you 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.200 kind of see the charm that maybe isn't so apparent 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.320 when he's on the other sidelines or you know, on 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.360 the other team. So I'm beginning to I'm beginning to 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.440 get the deon Sanders charm a little bit more than 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.760 I did looking at him when he was a Florida 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.080 State player, or a Dallas Cowboy player, or a forty 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.560 nine er player or an Atlanta Falcons player. So so yeah, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.560 and I'm always consuming the stuff. There's obviously, with all 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.920 of the in house media that he's brought, including his 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.280 son doing a lot of the videos, there's more than 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.160 ever to consume. But you're talking to a guy that, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.480 back in the days before the Internet was subscribing to 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.520 the newspapers they used to send to your house once 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.280 a week, you know. So if I have a long 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.240 history of over consuming and making my family think out crazy. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.560 So Colorado leaves the PAC twelve and we'll get into 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.120 realignment I'm sure more in a bit, But they leave 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.280 the PAC twelve. Was this something that you were following 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.240 in terms of, Oh, the PAC twelve is still looking 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.720 for a new TV deal, as other conferences are growing, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.560 as the Big twelve is growing, as the Big Ten 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:59.280 is growing. Were you a proponent as somebody who you've 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.680 already mentioned it's and you talked about it the last 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.719 time you were on the show that you know you 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.600 bemoaned the loss of Colorado Nebraska every season and bemoaned 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.080 the loss of certain matchups and rivalries that Colorado was 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.560 involved with. Were you done with the PAC twelve when 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.240 all of the rumors began swirling? Where were you before, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.920 during and now with Colorado's move? 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.240 Well, like many PAC twelve members, I was paying attention 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.560 because I was worried. You know, once UCLA and USC 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.880 bolt that's the Los Angeles market, it was already a 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.160 conference that was considered to be weaker than a lot 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.640 of the other big conferences. So the last thing you 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.040 want to potentially weak conference to do is lose two 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.959 of their best members. So yeah, like everybody, I think 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.040 we were worried, and I think you get this sneaking feeling. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.680 I don't think people in the Big ten get it. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.440 I don't think people in the SEC get it, but 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.440 other conferences have this feeling like, Okay, the game of 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.880 musical chairs has started again, and is there going to 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.120 be a chair to sit on for my team when 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.360 the music stops? So yes, I was paying attention now 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.320 in terms of what I wanted to have happened. Well, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.640 when Colorado moved to the Pac twelve from the Big Twelve, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.120 it was sort of a nice novelty for me. I 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.040 grew up in southern California, so that's Pack ten country 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.160 when I was a kid, and so it seemed kind 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.199 of fun to play a bunch of West Coast teams 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.319 that I grew up watching. I think after a while 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.959 you get tired of some of the teams you've been playing, 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.240 although not Nebraska and Oklahoma and teams like that, but 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.720 Nebraska was leaving too so that that option wasn't going 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.160 to be available anyway, So it seemed like a fun difference. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.520 It just happened to correspond to a time when Colorado 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.079 football was suffering its worst stretch in the history of 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.200 the of the program, which is over one hundred years. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.560 So that didn't work out very well for us going back. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.079 You know, if we were going back to the same conference, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.680 we left right in Nebraska, Oklahoma, those sorts of teams, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.280 I'd be very excited because I miss all those rivalries, 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.080 all the history. And you can say we have a 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.720 long history with Iowa State and Kansas State and Kansas 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.880 and we do, but it's not like Nebraska and Oklahoma 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.200 and this in those same way. Ye, not in the state. Well, listen, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.319 nothing gets me out of bed like Nebraska, right. But 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.840 so I'm in another sense though, there's a part of 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.680 me that thinks, in a way, maybe Colorado belongs in 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.640 that part of the country in a conference, and I 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.600 do know that there's a lot of people who feel 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.920 like part of the reason Colorado hasn't been able to 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.800 crawl out of the hole we've been in the last 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.360 twenty years is because the normal recruiting grounds, where when 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.880 Colorado is good, we recruit well, like Texas has kind 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.360 of been hard to recruit when you're not playing in Texas. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.640 So some of this seems to be going back to 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.520 sort of a recipe that works for Colorado traditionally. Now, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.720 whether it'll work in the future, I don't know, but 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.600 it's sort of a return to the past for us, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.120 and the past looks better than the present, So I'm 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:52.840 going to go with that. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.240 Are there specific opponents? Use nobody gets you out of 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.960 bed like Nebraska? Are there any opponents? You mentioned Kansas State, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.120 Iowa State. Now you look at a conference without Texas 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.760 and Oklahoma but has added Houston and UCF and BYU 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.520 and Cincinnati. Is there anybody that Colorado doesn't have a 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.640 history with where you'd say to yourself, that's interesting. I'm 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.240 curious about that. I'm curious about being in a conference 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.120 with this team. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.800 Hmm. Well, BYU. I think it's gonna be kind of fun. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.240 And we played BYU in the Freedom Bowl in like 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.920 nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven. I think Ty 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.640 Detmer was the quarterback. I was at that game in Anaheim, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.200 so that that was an interesting that could be a 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.560 fun rivalry, I think. And Houston for some reason, it 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.080 seems interesting to me. And we played Houston I think 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.440 in the early seventies and something like the Blue Bonnet 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:43.440 Bowl or one of those. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:43.960 Kind of things. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.000 So that's kind of interesting. I have really and you know, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.840 I'm going to say this now and then we'll develop 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.160 some rivalry that goes on forever. But I have no 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.600 really interest in Central Florida or Cincinnati or anything like that. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.880 But we'll see how it goes. I think also, let's 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.440 be honest, these are good programs compared to what people 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.800 might normally think of them as. But I do think 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.120 it's probably going to be a bit easier for Colorado 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.160 to play those schools than some of the ones we've 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.840 been playing, although we're moving with Utah, who's a nightmare, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.760 let's be honest, and Arizona and Arizona State. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.800 So it's not. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.080 Like we're coming to a conference with a whole bunch 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.680 of teams that we can beat, because we haven't beat Utah, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.840 Arizona and Arizona State and they're coming with us. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.480 So I don't know. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.160 At this point. Like I said, this all goes back 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.240 to one and eleven. Change just looks good no matter 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.000 what it is at this point as far as I'm concerned, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.040 and having a conference and a media deal and a 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.320 place to land now that the musical chairs music has 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.280 stopped is fantastic anyway you slice it. You could be Stanford, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.520 you know, true true cow. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.000 If you're putting on your other history buff hat doing 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.880 what you normally do on hardcore history. Is there a 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.120 historical event that you've covered, a historical figure that you've covered. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:04.040 Something in that vein at roughly equates to Colorado leaving 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.959 the Big Twelve and then rejoining the Big Twelve. What 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.280 is it a decade plus later? 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:11.399 Oh, I don't know. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.520 I mean in a geopolitical sense, I think you'd have 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.560 to think of countries falling apart and then going back 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.000 to the to the motherland or whatever. I can't think 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.840 of any you know, I do think in terms of 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.560 like historical analogies when it comes to sports, I mean 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.280 I can see things like that. Although you know, it's 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.240 funny because conferences break up, right you had the old 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.840 Southwest Conference for example, But you don't see people going back, no, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.320 you know, to where they were, And a lot of 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.080 times you don't see them going back because the place 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.600 where they were before is gone. So I mean, I 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.920 think that's part of what makes us a little unusual, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.640 is that, you know, No, I mean I can't see 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.960 us leaving the Pac twelve if there hadn't been problems there, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:51.760 and then to go back to where we came from. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.159 To be honest, I don't see a historical analogy, nor 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.760 do I see a sporting analogy. Really, I'm sure I'm 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.919 missing one, and one of your listeners will come up 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.800 with one with an email after we're done, But I 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.159 actually don't see it. This is pretty unprecedented, and I 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.240 think that mirrors the fact that what we're seeing in 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.280 college football and the realignment and the conferences and the 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.719 impact of the TV money and the NC DOUBLEA just 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.920 sort of becoming inept and imputed at the same time, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.720 all of this is like a perfect storm, putting us 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.200 into sort of uncharted territory. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.119 Well, and I kind of wanted to pivot off that 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.200 a little bit, because I know you did an episode 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.320 a couple of years ago now titled The Destroyer of Worlds? 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.760 What happens if human beings can't handle their own weaponry? 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.359 Am I comparing college football to nuclear war? A little? 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.359 What are you doing, Tay a little? 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.880 I'm just wondering, like, does it feel like everyone's gotten 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.880 a little bit too greedy, like a little bit over 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.480 their skis with chasing money and media deals and the like. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.040 Are there any cautionary tales or any thoughts that foot 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.720 around in your mind as somebody who follows history and 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.359 obviously follows college football, for where this could go next, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.359 and you know how you see this grander thing of 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.760 conference re alignment shaking out in the long term. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.199 Well, I mean there's there's two things that come to 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.080 my mind. The first one is is that you don't 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.359 need this kind of money to field a college football team, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.240 but you might need this money to field a very 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.199 good college football team. And I think part of the 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.240 reason why is because of the competition between the schools, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.440 which has always existed. I mean, back in the day, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.359 you know, it was competition with you know, schools that 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.600 had boosters giving jobs to players that didn't have to 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.479 show up on the on the job side. I mean 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.040 there was always I mean SMU got the death penalty 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.359 for a reason, right, there was always stuff going on. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.040 I do think that when you look at the future 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.320 of where college football is going, we're going to get 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.240 to an interesting time here. I mean, you know, we 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.440 can talk about the Big twelve being a wonderful place 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.439 for Colorado to land, but that doesn't mean it's a 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.159 wonderful place forever. They have a TV deal in place 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.760 till what the twenty thirty twenty thirty one season. So 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.360 what happens then, right, is that because to me, if 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.520 you look at where this is going, and circumstances can change, 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.240 But this looks to be like the TV networks have 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.320 hit a limit here on how much they can pay 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:14.520 and still make a profit. 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:15.280 Right. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.439 If that's the case, then it's very possible that the 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.199 next deals that are offered, especially once you take the 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.760 big ten and the SEC out of this, are going 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.600 to be less than what these conferences have gotten before. 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.920 And what happens when you're going backwards on an athletic 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.600 department budget, right, I Mean, it's one thing to say 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.000 we're going to take less of an increase than we expected. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.640 It's another thing to say we're going to take ten 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.080 million less per school than we had last time. I mean, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.800 can you really downsize and have it all work? I mean, 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.280 that's what Washington State and Oregon State are seeing right now. 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.879 I Mean they have debt and budgets and stadiums and 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.520 all kinds of things that they have to try to 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:57.000 manage with almost certainly less money than they thought they 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.879 were going to have. Well, what happens when that's not 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.440 just you know, Washington State and Oregon State's problem. What 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.080 happens when that's the problem of everybody outside the big 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.600 two conferences. What happens if the ACC finally eventually re 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.400 ups the deal that they have and they don't get 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.359 as much as they got this time, which they're not 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.800 happy with. So I mean, I think the interesting thing 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.640 is going to be is is And we all understand 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.520 that live sports is the one of the really few 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.520 areas where linear television can still get you to watch 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.239 live right and watch the commercials and not tape it. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:31.920 And so I mean that's going to be one of 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.320 those things where you say, okay, so it's still the 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.280 cash cow. It's the only golden you know, goose that 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.600 they have right now. But what happens when they've maxed 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.840 out the amount that they can pay and still recoup 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.560 a profit? And I think, you know, the interesting thing 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.119 here to me is the teams that have sort of 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.120 fallen into the wonderful land of oz here. I mean, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.520 everybody understands that if you're Michigan or if you're Alabama, 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.600 I mean that you're going to get this kind of 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.640 money and that you're worth this to the TV networks. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:04.080 But my goodness, how did Vanderbuilt and Rutgers and those 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.280 schools got grandfathered into this thing? And you know, if 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.560 the TV networks could do it, they would boot the 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.280 weaker schools and replace them with Florida State and Miami 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.800 and those kinds of schools. But we haven't seen that 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.600 happen yet. You can't go in and boot grandfathered schools. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.280 But what you can do is destroy a conference and 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.520 then only take the best schools out of it, and 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.879 then it's not your fault if Oregon State has no 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:28.600 place to go? 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:29.480 Do you know what I'm saying? 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.680 Well, and that's what I think worries me about what 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.159 could happen next, because it's very popular online, especially to 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.240 think of how all of the remaining teams that aren't 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.480 in either the Big Ten or the SEC will eventually 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.760 clump together into two Pangaea Conferences. But as you said, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.560 at some point, the cable networks are going to max out. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.320 They can't pay infinite amount of money, And so what 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.320 worries me is when all these media deals are up, 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.600 are we going to get to a point where TV 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.320 stations and networks have even greater control and do exactly 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.760 what you just described. They're going to Big Ten, they're 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.200 going to the SEC, and they're saying, all right, we 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.360 want these ten teams. We want these ten teams. We're 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.639 going to create a premier league, and whoever is left 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.800 out is left out. But in the future, if this 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:14.080 is just a continuing plate for more money, that's the 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.359 only way I could see that anybody could pay more. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:18.040 Well. 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.600 But it's like I said, the truth is, you don't 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.200 need this kind of money to field a football team, right, 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.240 But you do if you need to have brand new 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.720 athletic facilities every five years, if you need to be 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.240 cutting edge, and they have to have the high definition 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.119 TV screens above every locker. In other words, the things 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:39.240 you need to woo the top players is what requires 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.080 these schools to shell out the kind of money they do. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.840 That's not what uniforms cost, right, That's not what travel 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.600 budgets cost. That's not even what it costs to field 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.199 the non revenue teams, you know, But that's what you 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:57.680 need in order to participate in the arms race for 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.880 the top recruits. So that's sort of a different questions. 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.760 So if you have your Pangaea League, for example, I 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.399 as long as you have a path for those schools 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.680 to play in the national Championship, I'm not sure there's 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.439 not a way to sell that to the schools that 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.800 already are mortgaging their future to try to compete in 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.520 the world where trying to be Oregon, for example, without 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.280 a Phil Knight is really I mean, you end up 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.080 in debt. I mean, this is the problem that schools. 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.800 I mean, look at Cal's dealing with Washington State's got 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.400 real problems, but they've got those problems because they're trying 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.359 to play with big boys. That there might be a 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.440 sort of a relief not having to And then there's 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.399 another way of looking at this, And I don't know 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:42.119 how I feel about it, frankly, but I know you 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.920 guys have probably talked about it too, which is there's 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.280 a lot of people that feel like all of this 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.800 is corrupting the college football that we love, and that 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.600 if there's going to be and I think we talked 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.440 about this when we talked last time, if there's going 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:58.040 to be an NFL light that develops out of this, 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.200 right with the top twenty four five programs or whatever 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.440 you want to say, when all the shakeup is over, 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:05.800 is there a place where you could say that the 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.560 rest of the teams then actually form something more like 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.600 the college football that we used to appreciate, you know, 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.160 can you maybe say that everybody doesn't have to play 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:17.840 this game and there doesn't have to be winners and 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.840 losers as much as there might just have to be 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.640 separate categories. And the only problem is, and we talked 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.120 about this the last time, also, is that you definitely 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.359 are killing the regionalism. You definitely are killing the old rivalries. 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.400 And I can't speak for younger people who didn't grow 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.000 up with these rivalries. But when we came to the 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.680 PAC twelve Colorado, for example, and they try to make 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:44.280 Utah our artificial enemy, we don't hate Utah. We don't have, 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.400 you know, decades and decades of history with that. There 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.280 have been bloodbaths with Nebraska. There's when I think I 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.040 told you guys this story. But when I got to 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.960 Colorado in eighty six, there were all these for you 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:57.920 young people, I might have to explain it to find it, 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:02.880 xeroxes that were zeros onto every telephone pole and any 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.800 anything that stood vertically above ground on the Colorado campus 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:11.440 that showed a scene from the previous year's game against Nebraska, 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.400 and it had two very very large Nebraska players standing 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.560 over what appeared to be a relatively small Colorado player 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.640 who was clearly deathly injured with like his leg snapped 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.159 or something, and they were standing above him laughing, and 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.520 this was on. I mean, this was how you develop 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.399 the hatred that even now when we don't play him 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.440 for years and then we play them again, it's as 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:38.000 though nothing left that takes decades to really grow. And 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.479 so if you move conferences around too much and you 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.439 shatter the the either the history or the developing hatred, 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:49.399 well then you kill something that that makes something in 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.080 college football I think unique, and I think we're gonna 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:54.760 miss that down the road. And maybe you know you 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.760 brought up Destroyer of World Worlds and one of the 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.760 things we had said there is, you know, if you 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.600 had a gun pointed to your head from the time 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.240 you're born, do you even know you have a gun 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.040 pointed to your head? Well, if you've never experienced a 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.240 real rivalry over the decades that it takes to really 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.240 foster something like that, do you really miss it? I 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.800 don't know. I miss Nebraska though. 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.879 So do you find yourself feeling romantic about the past 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.280 more than you do hopeful for the future? Where do 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.320 you how do you square where we are with your. 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.560 Own Colorado fandom. 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.160 And how do you I mean you talk about with 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.680 you know, teams spending like crazy, taking wild financial swings 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.120 to try to compete with the top. Colorado's kind of 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.040 trying to do that right now, where where would you 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.439 prefer Colorado be in that old sort of regional style 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:47.679 that reforms in your mind, or you know, continuing to 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:51.040 swing even though it seems on the surface kind of feudal. 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:53.480 Well, I'm glad you brought that up. That was something 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.399 I had said to myself I should bring up, and 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.359 then I forgot about it. So I'm glad you reminded me. 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:01.639 But what Dion Sanders is doing at Colorado again, you know, 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.240 the jury is still out on how this is going 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.800 to turn out, but let's assume it's successful. If it's successful, 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.119 then what he is showing is how schools without a 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.160 Phil Knight or without the sort of backing in Ohio 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:17.520 State or an Alabama has, how they might pull this off? 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.320 Right Because what is deon Sanders State says, Colorado's got 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.879 no bag. We have no bag for these players. If 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.040 you want to bag, you have to go elsewhere. But 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:30.679 can they promise something else? Is there a way to 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.919 offer subsidiary benefits that don't correspond to the things that 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:39.600 we normally assume a player's after, whether it's you know, 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.760 the hype or the swag, or the or the cachet 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.720 of playing for Deon Sanders or this idea. You know, 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:48.719 he has this line. I'm going to try to remember it. 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.360 If you play good, they pay good. I mean, is 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.239 it the idea that that stop trying to make all 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.120 this money when you're in college, Come here, I'll make 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.160 you a pro and then you'll make tons of money. 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.960 So are there other ways to set cause? 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:03.240 Again? 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.720 All these facility upgrades and staying on the cutting edge 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.520 of all the cool stuff for the players is all 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.840 part of gaining a recruiting edge. Are there other ways 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.240 to gain that recruiting edge without all that? And I 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.200 think that's what this Deon Sanders approach is an attempt 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.200 to do to say, we're never going to have what 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.760 Alabama and Oregon have, but we have something that they don't. 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:25.800 Come here, play for me. I'll get you to the 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:28.680 pros I have. And I think you know, it's never said, 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.280 but you feel like it's implied, you know, when he 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.120 brings all these pros who was it that was that 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:39.320 was there this week top wide receiver shows up for 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.240 the NFL. You got these guys and who was it was? 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.400 The Denver Broncos working out with them the other day. 0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.200 There's this implied thing like, I know all these guys 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.040 in the NFL play for me, and I'll make a call. 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.080 Right they'll know your name because I'll call them for you. 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.880 That's not something that's advertised on the wall, but you 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.280 get this sense that there's you know that that's the 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.800 hidden advantag of coming to Colorado now is there's no bag, 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.080 but Deon Sanders is going to make you know all 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:06.120 the connections for you. 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:08.680 One, there's only Deon. 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.600 There's only one Deon Sanders though, right that like, it's 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.360 not a blueprint that can easily be replicated unless you 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.600 go find the most charismatic players of the last you know, 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.480 twenty five years and convince them to coach at your college. 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.240 That would, I think be the counterpoint that it would 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.240 be hard for Purdue or Minnesota or Oklahoma State or 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:29.960 somebody like or Oklahoma State has money, so that's not 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.960 a good example, but you know, a smaller major program 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:38.800 to replicate. And two, if it works, isn't Dion gone. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.480 Isn't he leaving Colorado in that situation? 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.800 So that's that's the big worry, is that if Deon 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.400 Sanders is a horrible coach and we lose a ton, 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.360 then this was a bad thing. If Deon Sanders is 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.040 a fantastic coach and leaves next year, then this was 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.480 probably I can't say it's a bad thing because again 0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:02.120 one in eleven, right, but but it's not optimal. You know, Well, 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.800 here's what you hope. And again you asked earlier whether 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.160 I'm watching all of the materials and the hype and everything, 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.440 and I am. He has, so I guess he's a 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.800 great fisherman. He's really enjoying Boulder. He bought a house 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.480 that's got a stream behind his house that has these 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.200 huge fish in it. You know, what you kind of 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.560 hope is that if he can win at Colorado, and 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:24.720 you can win at Colorado, sure, then maybe you find 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.160 the lifestyles wonderful and there's no reason to leave. I 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.640 just there was a story out yesterday that Colorado just 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.600 beat all of its previous records at least for the 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.280 last decade, on the amount of money donated to the 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.680 athletic department this last year. Well that's all from Dion 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.920 Sanders too. So theoretically, I mean, could we pay him 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.200 as much as any other team out there? I don't 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.400 think we could. But again, and this is almost the 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.440 Dion Sanders philosophy working on Dion Sanders, but could we 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.640 make his life good enough in so many other respects 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.680 that when you take it all holistically, you'd rather win 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.680 there than elsewhere. And let's be honest, there's another aspect 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.840 here that I think Oregon and Washington are going to 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.600 find out to their detriment when they go to the 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.040 Big Ten. This is not going to be as tough 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.440 of a conference to get to the playoffs in. And 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.520 there's an advantage there too, Or you know, there's the 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.080 real possibility that Oregon's going to find themselves. You know, 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.280 I'll probably eat my words here, but going six and six, 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.600 a lot of the years in the in the Big Ten, 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.440 and a team like Nebraska who's already struggling, what are 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.800 they going to do with usc UCLA, Oregon and Washington 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.080 now probably in whatever division they end up in. Life 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.280 just got tougher for those schools. Life just got easier 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.680 for Dion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes. 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.200 So you grew up in southern California. I remember you 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.760 live in Eugene, Oregon, or you used to live in Eugene, OI. 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.400 I do, I've lived here a long time now. Yeah, yeah, 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.240 So you are familiar with West Coast football. I went 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:54.280 to Oregon. I'm from southern California, and so there is 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:56.320 definitely a part of me as somebody who grew up 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.960 watching all of these West Coast schools play each other. 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:04.959 That is said is wistful because what we're now seeing 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.440 is this sort of mega conference coming together. And I 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.200 don't feel anything about Wisconsin, even though Oregon played Wisconsin 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.400 and the Rose bull I don't feel anything about Oregon 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:20.560 playing Northwestern or Minnesota or Ohio State, Rutgers, Maryland, all 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.520 of these places. And so I'm starting at square one 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:25.760 as an Oregon fan as I'm sure and Oregon will 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.400 play you know, Washington, USC, UCLA. So there's the connectivity there. 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.920 But will you watch a new look Big ten knowing 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.640 that you don't necessarily have feelings about a lot of 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.520 these matchups even though you have that that geographic connective tissue. 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.720 Well, you know, I don't know I think what you're saying, though, 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:47.920 holds a lot of weight. I mean, the idea that 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.920 you could have a more than a one hundred year 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:56.520 old college conference just disappear overnight is upsetting. I mean, 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.520 you know, and I don't know what I mean. Look, 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.479 it's one thing if you have conferences that have been 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:06.200 on shaky ground for a long time. Maybe only interests locally, 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.960 but I mean the PAC ten, PAC twelve, PAC eight 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.400 back when I was a kid. That's a historic conference. 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.759 I mean the Rose Bowl with the PAC twelve, PAC 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.920 ten and the Big Ten. I mean, these are foundational 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.000 entities in college football. I mean if the SEC went 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.080 away tomorrow, what would that mean? Or if the Big 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.680 ten went away tomorrow, what would that I mean, It's 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.799 hard to square that with a sport who's you know, 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.960 one of the things that they sell the most when 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.200 they talk about it is tradition, right, I mean the 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.960 Conference of Champions, all that sort of hype. No, it's 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.480 hard to square and I do think that. You know, 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.080 I was joking with a friend the other day, I 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.000 think we're one step away. There's only one thing that 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:52.279 the pros do that college doesn't do yet, and we 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.560 maybe you know, we were playing around with the idea 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.200 because it's kind of a funky idea. But why does 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.279 the University of Oregon even have to play in Eugene anymore? 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.640 I mean, why can't it be the University of Oregon 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:03.960 Ducks in Las Vegas? 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:04.239 Right? 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.960 The Las Vegas Ducks representing the University of Oregon. I mean, 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.760 that's the one last holdover, is that these these teams 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.759 are actually still tied to the institutions. But somebody might 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.640 turn around one day and go, well, you know, if 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.440 Oregon can't get enough money here to compete, there are 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.160 a lot of other towns that would pay for them, 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.200 and they could still be the University of Oregon Ducks. 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.640 They just wouldn't be in, you know, a tiny little 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.000 town like Eugene. I mean, that's to me, that's the 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.600 only difference between the NFL right now. NFL teams can move, 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.000 college teams can't. But whoever wrote that they can't? 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:36.360 Are you for this? 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:37.680 No? 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.200 No, no time, not for what's already happened. It was me, 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.000 I'd still be in the Big Eight. What are you 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:43.600 talking about? 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.000 I like this. I'm just making sure. I'm just making 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.600 sure sense check, that's all. Yes, No. 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.919 One of the terms I use is scar tissue. As 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.799 as an Oregon fan, you know, everybody makes a big 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:01.360 deal about the traditions and the rivalries that we lose. 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.840 And my thing this whole time is I have a 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.480 lot of scar tissue about Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State. 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.800 I even remember our game Colorado, if you can believe it, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.200 beat Oregon in the last decade. 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.080 And cal I was at that game. By the way, 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:17.440 that was awesome. 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.640 When Oregon was dressed up as the duck, when they 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.160 were wearing the orange cleat. 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.160 I'd interrupt you and tell you a story about that 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.719 than you though, because to me, it embodies everything we're 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.040 talking about in college football. 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:27.279 Right. 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.120 So, Colorado's gone through these terrible years and it's been 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.040 really tough for wee Colorado fans. And so I'm at 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.480 that game with a bunch of Oregon fans. And if 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:41.080 you saw that game, Colorado won it the very last second. 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.760 It was completely improbable. I don't know what the points 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.799 spread was in Vegas, but it was. It was never 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.520 supposed to happen. Right, So as we're walking out of 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.960 the game, the entire Oregon crowd is stunned. But there's 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.200 a few Colorado fans like yours truly in the crowd 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.400 as we're walking out, and we were afraid to, you know, 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.960 hoot and hall right because we're so badly outnumber. But 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:06.000 all of a sudden, and I mean completely spontaneously, anyone 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.720 who was wearing any Colorado gear or anything would hold 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.680 their hands up above the crowd, and another Colorado fan 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.320 would touch your hand and just this sort of silent 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:22.480 acknowledgment of hey, something good happened to us. We did it. 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.839 We're in hostile territory, but can you believe we won 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.960 that game? And I mean this was completely voiceless, wordless, 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.880 and everyone did it. And I walked out of that 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.120 and just said, where else does that happen? So when 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.200 we talk about the specialness of this sport, that to 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:39.880 me is one of those moments where you just go 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.160 that was a special moment in a horrible era of 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.319 Colorado football for me, and I don't think it would 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.000 have happened had we been this powerhouse. It only happened 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:52.840 because we had this shared moment of a victory in darkness, 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.440 and only another Colorado fan that day knew what it meant. 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.400 And we couldn't celebrate openly, we couldn't tear down the 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.360 goalpost to the visiting stadium, but we could have this 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.640 silent moment of acknowledgment that you know, we were in 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.280 this together in this hostile place, and wasn't it awesome? 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:08.759 You know? 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:13.200 See, that's that's an interesting point and observation. I've been 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.560 in stadiums where Oregon fans were super out numbered, you know, 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.080 at USC wherever, and Oregon is able to pull off 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.120 an upset in hostile territory, but Oregon fans can get 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.360 to USC. There are a ton of Oregon fans in 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.440 southern California. There are a ton of Washington fans along 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.120 the West coast. I wonder if it's going to be 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:37.600 different when one of these West coast schools plays, you know, Minnesota, 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.520 Minnesota wouldn't be an upset, but Penn State or Michigan. 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.400 And I think early on people will travel. I just 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.480 wonder if the experience of seeing college football in person 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.520 on the road changes with geography, that you won't have 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.160 as many acknowledged, silent acknowledgements after your team goes into 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.640 a huge stadium and pulls off an upset. I think 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.120 the geography might play in there, but maybe I'm wrong. 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.120 I don't see how it can't be an issue. I mean, 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.759 first of all, if they do pods, or I mean, 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.280 when you're if Oregon is playing the two LA schools 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.200 in Washington and then some schools in the Big Ten 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.359 or whatever, I think, I think you'll get just as 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.640 much travel as you always did with the with the 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:20.320 schools on the West Coast, and then maybe your average 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.240 Oregon fanels spring for a game here or a game 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.680 there on the road. But it has to affect things, 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.680 I would think, and uh, and you know what, not 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.839 just that I do think that. You know, I have 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.520 a lot of friends who are Oregon fans, and they 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.920 keep talking about Oregon's record against some of these schools. 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.160 We beat Michigan this year, or we beat Ohio State 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.520 this year, and I keep saying, yes, but those are 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:46.160 one offs. Especially the way Oregon schedules, it's usually one marquee, 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:50.440 really tough non conference game sandwich between two relatively winnable ones, 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:52.839 and so you can get up for that. It's not 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:57.040 like you're facing those kinds of offensive lines week after 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.920 week after week. I think that's going to be t 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.480 when you have to do that in terms of injuries 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.360 and depth. Here's the thing that's more interesting to me 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.919 is with these West Coast schools going to the Big Ten, 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.080 with the weather, with the style of ball and everything 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.120 that those teams play, are you going to start to 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.239 see those teams look like Big ten teams? I mean, 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.560 once you've gone through a few recruiting cycles, do they 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.840 start to resemble the Michigan States and the Ohio States 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.520 and the Iowa's a little bit more. I'm intrigued by 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:28.359 that possibility. 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:30.080 God, I hope they don't look like Iowa. 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.960 I really, especially on offense. I can't handle that. 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.879 See I can I want see this is where we're 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.480 different coming from a Big eight school. I want if 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.960 you go watch the two thousand and one game where 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:46.719 Colorado destroyed the Nebraska program and somehow killed ourselves in 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.520 the same game. I don't know how that happened. That's 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.239 the style of football I want to play. And what's 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.960 funny is it's very old fashioned. And I was reading 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.759 somewhere that Nebraska's trying to go back to more. I mean, 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.680 you know, this could be a bunch of hype, but 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.120 that new coach wants to go back to a full back, 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.759 two tight ends, that kind of thing, and see if 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.359 that works. I'm really curious if that worked. I'd love 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:07.759 to do that. 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:08.480 It's it. 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.719 But you know what, it's a stupid thing to do 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.440 to go to an old style offense just because of nostalgia. 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:16.360 I mean, if that's the case, why not go to like, 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.640 you know, the flying v and all that kind of 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:19.320 old stuff. 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.000 You know, I have to ask, since you've been talking 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.760 so much smack on Nebraska, Dan, there is a game 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.359 this year between Colorado and Nebraska. Do you have any 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:29.240 plans to attend. 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.000 I'm going, Yeah, I'm going. I couldn't. I couldn't get 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.840 out of it. Somebody offered me free tickets and then 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:35.640 you and I said to my wife, I said, I'm 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.319 not going. I said, I have to watch that game 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.560 alone in a darkened room on television with rewind and 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.040 announcers and all this. And she said, no, no, no, you're good. 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.560 We're both going. If the free tickets to a game 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.719 that's hard to get tickets to. Nebraska is a hard 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:51.640 game for me to watch though, because if you actually 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.399 go look at the stats, you know your your poor 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:57.400 audience has been regaled with Colorado centric discussion, this whole conversation. 0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.440 But if you actually go and watch those games, the 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.839 number of times that Nebraska has scored either the very 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:08.760 first time they touched the ball or in the first series. Again, 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.399 this is how rivalries are made, right, This is where 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.640 you develop. Like you had talked about scars, this is 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.720 how scars are formed. And the scars are what really 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:19.800 you know, what's that old line from one of the 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.680 superhero movies. Our scars are what make us who we are. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.840 And that's how these programs develop the sort of feels 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.480 that they have. And so I don't even want to 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.279 be at the stadium. And I told my wife. She 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:32.799 said we're going, And I said, great, So what do 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:34.640 we do if Nebraska kills us? It's gonna be a 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:36.560 lot of fun to be at the stadium live when 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.680 that happens. So yes, I'll be at the game. Apparently, 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:45.080 do you have a single piece of red clothing? You 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.400 strike me as somebody who might not because of Nebraska. 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.719 It's funny you say that. So I'm wearing a pair 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.640 of red athletic shorts right now. And my wife and wait, 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.799 and my wife and my daughter looked at me today 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.040 and said, I don't think I've ever seen you in red. 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.720 So it's like the first time if. 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.319 You have any antics when you're watching Colorado football, like 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.440 if you're alone in the darkened room, because I. 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.600 Know Dan and I do yet I'm usually on message 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.040 boards at the same time, and not just mine. I'll 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.520 be on Nebraska's at the same time. Right, I'll be 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.320 reading both sides and comments about every play. 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.120 Yeah, well, you know I have a problem. Oh this 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:19.560 is great. 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.840 So what are you a Are you a silent viewer 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:23.120 stewing when you're upset? 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.120 Are you a yeller? Have you broken remotes? Is? 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:30.240 What is the physical reputation that you have watching Colorado football? 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.320 It's you know, again, you have to make a distinction 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:39.280 between watching Colorado football and watching the Nebraska game. Right, Normally, 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:43.360 I'm a very quiet, sort of passive observer, especially you know, 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.399 the last few years have given me nothing to get 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.160 excited about. I mean, you just kind of get you know, 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.960 you resign yourself. But Nebraska's different. And I have to say, 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:54.080 even with these down years, we've beaten Nebraska the last 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.279 couple of times we've played them. I believe this game 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.240 this year is going to cause I think our record 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.520 in the twenty first centuries even either this one evens 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.120 it up or this will put Colorado head one or 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.680 the other. So for this game, yes, I throw things, 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.480 I scream and yell, and it's the it's completely out 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.600 of character too. I mean, it is once again a 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.279 bizarre testimonial to what this sport can do to us, 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.960 with the passion and the excitement and the history and 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.279 all that kind of stuff. It's it's the let's put 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.680 it this way, I'm down to one sport and this 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:24.960 is it. And if they screw this one up for me, 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:25.839 I got nothing else. 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:27.880 So what what now? 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:28.560 Right now? 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.680 You have the Nebraska game coming up? Are you going 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.520 to be watching the sport in its entirety? 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:35.239 Has that? 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.279 Has anything changed with this offseason, with the movement of 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:41.440 the sport? How are you adjusting? I know you have 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:43.759 your the things that excite you, the things that worry you. 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.080 How do you plan on consuming the sport overall next 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:47.880 year and beyond. 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.239 Well, it's weird for my family because I obviously went 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.960 to see you, but my wife went to Washington State. 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.799 Her whole family went to Oregon State. So, as her 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:01.239 brother told me recently, Oregon in State doesn't even know 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.360 who they're playing next year. Yeah, I mean, try to 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.480 imagine what that looks like. They don't even know who 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.520 they're playing once conference schedules start. So, I mean, I 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.239 have a lot of sympathy for the programs that don't 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.680 have a home right now. And we can talk all 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.440 day long about we know we'll just go into the 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.759 Mountain West or just reform the PAC twelve. But it's 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.759 easier said than done. And if the money's not there, 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.120 I guess you should be glad that there's a route 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.279 to the championship game somehow. But it's going to be 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.319 a look, as I told my brother in law, Colorado 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.880 is just in a more delayed version of what Oregon 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.120 State has because when that big twelve TV deal comes 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.319 up for renewal, it could be the same situation all 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.320 over again. I mean, I don't think the TV networks 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:50.520 are going to be really excited about re upping your Texas, Tech, Central, Florida, 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.360 you know. I mean, it's no offense to those teams, 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.759 but it's not Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama. You know, it's 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.080 just a different story once you not one of those 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.320 have programs and so I'm going to be watching the 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.000 last year of the PAC twelve is the way I 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.319 look at it and try to enjoy, you know, one 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.080 hundred and some year old conference play its last year, 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.680 and ironically enough, it could be one of the best 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.680 years in conference history if you look at on the 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.600 on paper anyway. And then I think, I'm gonna watch 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.680 the year after that to see what the new world 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.680 looks like. And I'll always watch CU football. But so 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.600 there's a little curiosity about what the first year in 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.000 the Big ten means to all those PAC twelve formerly 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.960 packed twelve teams and what I don't know what the 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.319 first year in the Mountain west of the reform PAC 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.080 twelve looks like for the schools that stand by and look, 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:40.920 let's be honest, what's going to happen with the ACC? 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.719 I think that's the next big question for everybody to 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.879 wonder about, because if Clemson and Miami and Florida State 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.319 go away, I mean, you know, then what do you have? 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.440 I mean, goodness, gracious. 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:59.560 So here's your platform, here is your opportunity, deep Colorado. 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.839 What do you believe is I'm trying to figure out 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:06.239 how to ask this question. I just want to give 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.600 you a platform to give you your Colorado thoughts at 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.960 the moment. I think the general consensus at the moment 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.440 is they have interesting skill players. They have speed on defense, 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.800 the good corners in our great corners potentially in Cormani 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:24.440 Maclain and Travis Hunter, an intriguing quarterback prospect who hasn't 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.200 faced big time defenses in Shador Sanders. What do you 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.920 think people have right and wrong about either Gelling or 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.040 where the talent is. It's hard to sort of know 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.440 because none of these guys have played together, it seems. 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.719 So what is your general outlook in the short term 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.200 with Colorado football this season? What are you expecting to 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:42.920 see on the field. 0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:45.479 Well, well, let me apologize to your audience once again 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.719 for a completely Colorado centric program today, But I'll give 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.880 you the rundown. I can give you some so quarterback 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.000 feel however you want about Shadoor Sanders. Colorado does not 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.520 traditionally have good quarterbacks. So I can count the good 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.800 quarterbacks at Colorado on one hand, and even the ones 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.200 that graded on a curve look good to us are 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.120 not that great. Cordel Stewart, Darien Hagen are the best 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.360 quarterbacks I ever saw. At Colorado. Corey Deptman was probably 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.399 the best pure passer at Colorado, And while I love 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:18.759 those guys, they're not Peyton Manning, right. So this is 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.360 the best quarterback Colorado's had in a very long time. 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:26.680 He may be the best quarterback Colorado's ever had, and 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.239 it doesn't take that much to be to be the 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.799 best we've ever had. We're a running back school when 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.160 it comes to offense, right in an offensive line school. 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.360 Running back. I don't know how to grade the running 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.680 back hip because the guy who's a mcaskal, who's coming 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.800 off a terrible knee injury, and he still seems a 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:49.360 little fragile. So we'll see Covasier Smoke from Kentucky. I 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.160 don't know what to think of him yet. Dylan Edwards, 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.320 the guy we stole from Notre Dame, is fast as lightning. 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.960 I'm happy to have somebody who's fast as lightning. So 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.279 we'll see. I'm glad to have him out there. The 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.359 offensive line, I don't trust the offensive line yet. Got 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.200 my fingers crossed, but I think the skill players on 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.000 offense are the best we've had a lot, and the 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.560 wide receivers are maybe better than any we've ever had 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:12.080 as a group. 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:13.080 Wow. 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.760 So it was a few years ago with Laviska Chanalt 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:18.720 and Katie Nickson. They had a couple of dudes. 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.640 Oh but you think back in my day was like 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:26.520 Charles Johnson. Oh sure, I mean the guys, we had 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:28.440 some great guys back in the day. But but this 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.880 is a lot of depth to go along with the skill. 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.960 We'll see how tight end pans out. I don't know 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.560 if I believe some of the hype coming out of 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.399 the camp, but we'll see. Defense is a different question, Tire. 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.719 The dbs are fantastic. I think you're gonna have a 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.600 I think I think that's going to allow the defensive 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.560 coordinator to do some interesting things to cover up holes 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:50.600 that we might have. Don't know about the linebackers. These 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.879 are supposedly good players. We'll see, Uh, the edge, he's 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.120 going to be good. The interior, I don't know about. 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.600 But once again, if your DB's are really rock solid 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.680 and really good, you can cover up some of those holes. 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.280 Maybe we might have to outscore some people, and depending 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.799 on how the offensive line turns out, we'll see how 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.240 that happens. But as I said, coming from one to eleven, 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.160 I don't know how you're not just completely jacked and 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.839 and and they may call Dion Sanders a failure if 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.880 we go you know, six and six or something like that. 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.000 But that's a huge victory if that's especially Yeah, and 0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.640 look at the look at this and look at the schedule. 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:25.560 I mean, with the schedule the Buffs have this year. 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.399 If we go six to six, I don't know how 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:29.080 you're not happy. It's about fan no matter how much 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:29.880 cool aid you're dripping. 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.520 Oh he'd be National Coach of the year six and six. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:34.880 Oh yeah, that scares me. Right. You don't know how 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.600 to You don't know how many victories you want Dan 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.800 to have, right if if he has a super great season, 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:40.560 we may lose him. 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:41.640 So but here's the thing. 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.160 Coming from one to eleven, even if you go six 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:48.040 and six, he builds up all of this national attention 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.560 on Colorado football again, which which has not been there. 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.719 That's a net positive. Even if he leaves after a year, 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:56.759 if he gets anything nothing in a good direction, you know, 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:58.880 I think maybe the coach you can get after him too, 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:00.600 might be better than you could have hope for other 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.920 I mean, when you raise the profile of the program 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:03.960 because here's the problem. 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:05.759 And you guys know this, and your whole audience knows 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.920 it too. The memory of these people you're trying to 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:12.680 recruit is probably eight to ten years long. So if 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.400 you haven't been good in eight or ten years, it 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.280 doesn't matter how long. Those of us who have long 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.520 memories of a program's history matter, right. So what Dion 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.800 Sanders is doing is raising the profile in the minds 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.520 of these young people in a way that puts Colorado 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:31.160 at least on the radar for their short term memory here, 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:34.319 so that even if he leaves, you'll have more to 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.360 build on than you otherwise would. And if he's leaving 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:41.120 because of success, all the better. So that's why I 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:42.759 think this is one of those hires that was a 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.360 no lose higher for us, no matter what happens. 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.120 Have you and be honest here, have you written more 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:50.880 than one thousand words at a time on a message board? 0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:55.000 Oh? No, people hate that you can't do that, But 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.920 you can write four or five posts in quick succession. 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.640 Use it like Twitter, right, use the universe? 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.160 Yeah, three or four two hundred and fifty word posts 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:07.320 and in quick succession. 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:09.719 I appreciate that. 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.719 Dan Carlin hardcore history what can we promote for you? 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:14.080 What have you been up to now? 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.080 Then? Just you know you do the shows, love it 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.560 if people like the work. I like talking college football. 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:21.640 You guys do a great job, You ask great questions, 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:23.919 and as always, I hope, I hope we don't bore 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:24.880 your audience to tears. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:26.080 That's all. Now, they'll love it. 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:28.359 Here here's what we're gonna do, Dan. We're gonna give 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:31.080 you our phone number, our voicemail line that you can 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.799 call into after that Colorado Nebraska game and give us 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.359 a real time, raw reaction and we'll play it on you. 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:41.880 We'll see it depends on how things go. Yes, I 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:43.960 don't need to be on your show having it all 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:49.160 rubbed in, you know, so we'll see sobbing. Yeah, guys, 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.839 what we're gonna know it. We're gonna know a lot 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.280 more clearly after the first game, because that's the problem 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:55.920 is that we are a complete unknown. 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:56.160 Right. 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.439 We can be awful, we could be great, we could 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.759 be anywhere in between, and we have no idea when 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:04.200 you've got seventy new players, all new coaches will have 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.359 the offense. I mean, everything is completely unknown. So we'll 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.480 know more after the first game and you know what 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.520 I mean. You almost think you kind of want to lose, 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.600 just barely to TCU. Have a chip on your shoulder. 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.840 Have the first game at home for Deon Sanders running 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.360 behind the buffalo or scootering behind the buffalo or whatever 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.200 he's going to be doing, and then, you know, hopefully 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.839 do real well against the rivals and tear the goalpost down. 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.480 So we'll see. But I have no idea what to expect. 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:32.560 I'm just I have a ton of curiosity like the 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:33.080 rest of you. 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.319 Awesome, Well, we appreciate your time. As always, We'll keep 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.960 in touch this season. It's going to be interesting, to 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.080 say the least for a Colorado fan. Dan carlon Hardcore History, 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:43.759 Thank you again. We'll have you back on it at 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:44.080 some point. 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:46.920 Thanks for having me on, guys, as usual, appreciate. 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.680 It all right, Dan, there you go, West Coast Brethren 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.680 for you on this podcast. 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:57.280 The connective tissue of growing up in southern California, spending 0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:58.920 time in Eugene, Oregon. 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.520 Ruining the end of the Pac twelve. 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.160 On a certain level, of course, I think as a 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.320 Colorado fan he might be a little bit more excited 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.000 for the Buffs to join the Big twelve than I 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.600 am for Oregon to join the Big Ten. But nonetheless, 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:16.319 the energy from Dan Carlin is unmatched. Hy It's unmatched. 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.239 It is right where it needs to be. If you're 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.280 a college football fan and like on a personal level, 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.719 I can't help but geek out when he comes on 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.719 the program. Hardcore History is on my Rushmore podcasts. 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.799 I love what he does. Of course, go and check 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.640 out his podcast, Hardcore History. It's just interested in learning 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.360 something new. Dan does an awesome job just speaking to 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.000 these moments in history and these situations that have kind 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:43.919 of crafted the world. He does an awesome job. We're 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.120 so thrilled that he came back, and I'm going to 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.000 try and get him on the reverbline this year after 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.400 that Nebraska game. I'm going to try and earnest. I'm 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.560 just going to send it to him the number, like, 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.640 hey man, if you're feeling up to it, give us 0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:56.920 a ring. 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.560 I agree. I'm hopeful for that. 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.200 So what it says ty that somebody who just constantly 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.440 deep dives some of the greatest human atrocities ever turns 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:11.480 to college football as something that is particularly interesting to 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:16.479 him and mid tier to low tier fandom with where 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:21.800 Colorado has been the visceral nature of him talking about 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.960 Nebraska football as a Colorado fan. 0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:26.560 Did it not bring a tier to your eye? 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:31.799 I would never publicly admit to scanning an opponent's a 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:35.200 rival's message board, not the company rivals, but a rival 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:39.720 commass message board during a game in which your team 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.160 is looking great. And the fact that he so freely 0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.560 does it means he's so comfortable in his college football 0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:46.560 scan beautiful help. 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.279 But to love having him on the show, Oh, it's 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.879 absolutely beautiful. And the other thing I know that we've 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.520 found over the years when we bring on just a 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.200 prominent fan, doesn't matter who it is, sometimes they're a 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.960 little hazy on the facts. Oh my god, not no 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:07.200 Carl D. Carlin dropping it and Alton mccaskell, Dan Carlin 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.160 knows what Colorado football. Well, yeah, look, it's good to 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.800 have him back. Well, we'll try to bring him on 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:14.840 again at some point throughout the course of the season, 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.440 if only in voicemail form. Go and check out Hardcore History. 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.400 His podcast needs no introduction. 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.120 Can I ask you one final question? Yeah? Please? 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.360 So, a lot of everybody that follows college football on 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.319 sort of a regional or national level, has cultivated some 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:34.880 sort of opinion about Deon Sanders over the course of 0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.560 the last few months, from time you hired to revamping 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:39.799 the roster and now we're in the midst of fall 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.160 camp as we record this. Has your opinion of him 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.839 or of Colorado big picture, medium picture, small picture? Has 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.040 it evolved at all? The more you've just sort of 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.840 sat on the knowledge that Deon Sanders and this roster 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.000 are going to be making their way through I guess 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:56.440 the Pac twelve, but then the Big twelve. 0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:59.160 I have maintained since the very beginning that it's a 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:04.000 brilliant move. Okay, it's a brilliant hire, and I know 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.960 his tactics came under fire a bit. They're going to 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:11.640 have something like seventy one new players. Yeah, this season 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.279 they had fifty guys transfer out. We've never seen that 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:17.400 kind of roster turnover, not even close to it, and 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:20.400 I know that rankled some. I don't see unless he 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:24.880 commits horrible recruiting violations along the way, which is not 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:29.120 off the table unless he gets them in hot water, 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:32.040 that's going to affect the program moving forward. I can't 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:34.880 see how it's a bad thing. Even if they go 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.640 to and ten, like, there's so much more interest in 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:41.240 the program. As Dan mentioned, there is more money flowing 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:43.680 into this program now than ever before. I just think 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.640 I've always felt like it was a smart move, and 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:51.160 everything I've seen so far, although unorthodox, has really just 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:52.160 reinforced that for me. 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:52.919 Yeah. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:54.840 You know, the thing is, you say, even if he 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:56.800 goes to inten, he's going to have to do better 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:03.240 than that, because going through a terrible season is still 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:05.919 going to hurt recruiting, even if Dion's able to sell 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.000 it as like, well, you know it's your one. This 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:09.400 is just you know, I was trying to put together 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:12.520 a roster that's more respectable than where it was, but 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:15.200 still you want a little bit of proof of concept 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.520 that like, well, if deon hand selected these guys to 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:20.880 you know, be in his too deep, you'd sort of 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.240 hope that he could get more out of them if 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.880 this is the roster he wanted to assemble. Obviously you 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:30.000 miss on some recruits, but I'm I'm still for it 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.240 because I'm a big believer in taking swings, and this 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:36.440 is certainly a swing from Colorado. I'm crazy curious to 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.360 see what happens the week after something goes terribly wrong, right, 0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:42.680 because that's when you're going to see like, oh, Dion 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.080 has their heads in the right place, they're still locked in. 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.920 They lost that game by twenty eight. It was ugly. 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:51.320 It was never a game. The team they lost to 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:54.760 wasn't anything special. Can they bounce back this coming week 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.800 against Arizona State or Washington State? 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:57.040 Right? 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.720 Can he prevent Colorado? Is he in a place as 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:01.600 ahead coach? Because they certainly look to be in that 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.120 place at Jackson State, but all they did was win 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.640 games there. It's going to be different this year, So 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:09.560 I'm curious to see what that team looks like after 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.400 a setback of some kind. 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:15.720 They're also a great unknown, you know. So much of 0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.480 what we do when we're previewing teams is we're looking 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.840 back at how a team did last year and we're 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.840 looking forward and trying to judge based on how many 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.880 of those guys are back returning production. It does mean something. 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.600 It doesn't mean everything, but it's not insignificant. 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:32.120 Colorado. 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:36.680 Everybody's starting over. Yeah, it's so drastic that it doesn't matter. 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.120 You throw it out completely. They are very much an 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.880 unknown quantity. Now. We're not expecting them to go ten 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.720 to two. It'll be I think a miracle if they 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.040 make a bowl game. But there is something, There is 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.920 a charm, especially in college football when you're dealing with 0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:55.840 a truly unknown quantity, especially one that's as public facing 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.640 as Dion Sanders and Colorado are. Now they're one of 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:02.840 the top five most interesting stories. Even if they don't 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:04.880 win a game in twenty twenty three. 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:10.120 It's it's wild, it's and they have TCU Week one. Yeah, 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:13.439 the most anticipated Week one matchup in the last year, 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:17.200 to say the least. Yeah, I can't wait. I think 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:22.160 it's a great story. And I appreciated Dan pointing out that, like, look, 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.040 from the outside, you might not like it overhauling a roster, 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.840 just like cutting players left and right, because it's your 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.640 turn now to build this roster. But it does have 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.240 that feel of like, hey, look, I know I'm a 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.800 Giants fan, and that's why I love Barry Bonds, even 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:36.920 if everybody else hates them. 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:37.919 I know I'm a Laker fan. 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:42.280 I know everybody else hates Sasha Vyachich for hounding everybody, 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:43.200 but I love him. 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:46.240 And so there is that element of like, look, we 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.520 went one and eleven. Something wasn't right. The roster was 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.600 not in a good enough place to get to a. 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:53.880 Bol taste for times desperate measures. 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:57.080 So something had to be done pretty dramatically, And if 1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:59.280 it were your team, you would be hoping for the 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.560 same kind of year to year overhaul given that kind 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:05.720 of flexibility that's available in college football now So I. 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.040 Like that he may be a bit bombastic. At least 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.320 he's honest, Yeah, definitely is. 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:12.320 At Least he's. 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:16.160 Honest, and that's in short supply in college football nowadays, 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.520 so I at least give him that. Right in Salverbodgmail 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:22.120 dot com, find us on social media. 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