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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Hardcore history meets hardcore college football. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the solid verbal hell.

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Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edith state is that woo woof? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sole All boys and girls, My

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Speaker 1: name is ty Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there as

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Speaker 1: always the illustrious Dan Rubinstein, Sir, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How goes it?

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Speaker 3: How are you can't complain? Ty just went on a

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Speaker 3: Costco run. Not a sponsor could be. I always hesitate

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Speaker 3: about dropping proper company names, but Costco started ubiquitous at

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Speaker 3: this point. Took two little monsters to Costco. We ate

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Speaker 3: our faces oft in life is good? Ty beautiful? Well,

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Speaker 3: this show is good today. I'm excited about this show.

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Speaker 3: We did it once last year in the build up

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Speaker 3: to the season. We're doing it again today.

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Speaker 1: It is the hard Core History Crossover Episode.

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Speaker 4: Two point zero.

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Speaker 1: Dan Carlin, noted Colorado noted college football fan Dan Carlin

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Speaker 1: is stopping on by. We reached out to him, wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring him on. Look a lot's going on since

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Speaker 1: we had him on a year ago, with respect to Colorado,

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Speaker 1: with respect to Colorado's now old conference defunct conference, just

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Speaker 1: college football as a whole wanted to bring Dan back

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Speaker 1: on just as like a nice little appetizer to the

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Speaker 3: So we've got a terrible Colorado season in the rearview mirror,

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Speaker 3: hiring the biggest name in terms of flashiness and newsworthiness

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Speaker 3: It's chewing a future, is shooting shooting a future in

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Speaker 3: the Pac twelve for the Big twelve, Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 3: still playing a lame duck season in the Pac twelve.

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Speaker 3: And the publicly claiming to be a Colorado football super

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Speaker 3: fan tells you that the Man News is college football,

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Speaker 3: because not everybody admits to something like that at this

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Speaker 3: point in Colorado's history. So I love to hear it.

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Speaker 3: I love to have Dan on the show and can't

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Speaker 3: wait to talk to him before.

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Speaker 1: We get to the interview, though, Dan Breaking News, thank

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Speaker 1: you for filling in for me as the voice is

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the men. Dan, We've got our

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Speaker 1: updated Patreon perks for this coming season. At long last,

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Speaker 1: we finally rolled them out. Is there a website? There

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Speaker 1: is a website. It's called for Bowlers dot com. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you were ever so incline.

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Speaker 2: Go and check it out.

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Speaker 1: It is the biggest overhaul since we launched this thing

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty. We're super excited about it. You

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Speaker 1: want to know what's different this year?

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Speaker 2: Very quickly.

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Speaker 1: I would love to first and foremost our weekly pick'em

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Speaker 1: game run the board. We have super charged it with

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Speaker 1: better prizes than ever before. The winner in week one

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Speaker 1: gets a PlayStation five. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: I sign off of us? The winner gets a PlayStation five.

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Speaker 1: Okay in week one. At least once each month we're

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Speaker 1: gonna give away a similarly awesome prize to the winner.

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. We beefed up the prizes this year

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Speaker 1: on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: It will be worth your while to play each and

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Speaker 1: every week. Oh by the way, if you finish in

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Speaker 1: the top five at the end of all fourteen weeks,

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Speaker 1: you get a seat on our board of trustees. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so you can basically play every week the entire season

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Speaker 1: for twenty bucks if you're doing the math at home.

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Speaker 1: Not a bad deal, especially if you're competing for cool

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Speaker 2: PS five in week one.

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Speaker 1: we have heard from you load and clear. You love

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Speaker 1: to learn about schemes, As luck would have it, so

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Speaker 1: do we. Yep, maybe we're not the ones to educate.

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Speaker 1: That's why we've enlisted the help of our good friend

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Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz, who is going to be stopping by every

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Speaker 1: other week and putting together a special video that dissects

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Speaker 1: Our hope is that we can learn together about schemes

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Speaker 3: I like what you called it schemes. Even though it

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Speaker 3: Right, we can go into detail. Jeff is going to

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Speaker 3: here's how this team executed it super successfully to quash

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Speaker 3: he has done terrific things with x's and o's in

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Speaker 1: That and possibly, we can't rule it out, some sort

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Speaker 3: Look, that's exactly where my mind went right when you

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Speaker 1: Uh, you're also going to get access, extended access to

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Speaker 1: the episode that we're putting out on Mondays. Yes, the

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Speaker 3: know what, now is the time to talk way more

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Speaker 3: Ty and I will say, Okay, sure, great, done, it's

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Speaker 1: Ty. That is a perfect segue to our guest of

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Speaker 1: honor today. He is the host of Hardcore History, of Course,

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Speaker 1: our favorite history podcast. He's also a diehard Colorado Buffalo's

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Speaker 1: the Soliverbal Dan Carlin, Sir.

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Speaker 4: How are you.

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Speaker 3: So Colorado leaves the PAC twelve and we'll get into

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Speaker 4: Well, like many PAC twelve members, I was paying attention

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's there's two things that come to

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Speaker 4: were going to have. Well, what happens when that's not

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00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 4: just you know, Washington State and Oregon State's problem. What

438
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 4: happens when that's the problem of everybody outside the big

439
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 4: two conferences. What happens if the ACC finally eventually re

440
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 4: ups the deal that they have and they don't get

441
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 4: as much as they got this time, which they're not

442
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Speaker 4: happy with. So I mean, I think the interesting thing

443
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 4: is going to be is is And we all understand

444
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 4: that live sports is the one of the really few

445
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 4: areas where linear television can still get you to watch

446
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,239
Speaker 4: live right and watch the commercials and not tape it.

447
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 4: And so I mean that's going to be one of

448
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 4: those things where you say, okay, so it's still the

449
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 4: cash cow. It's the only golden you know, goose that

450
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: they have right now. But what happens when they've maxed

451
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 4: out the amount that they can pay and still recoup

452
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 4: a profit? And I think, you know, the interesting thing

453
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Speaker 4: here to me is the teams that have sort of

454
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 4: fallen into the wonderful land of oz here. I mean,

455
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: everybody understands that if you're Michigan or if you're Alabama,

456
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 4: I mean that you're going to get this kind of

457
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 4: money and that you're worth this to the TV networks.

458
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: But my goodness, how did Vanderbuilt and Rutgers and those

459
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 4: schools got grandfathered into this thing? And you know, if

460
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: the TV networks could do it, they would boot the

461
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: weaker schools and replace them with Florida State and Miami

462
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 4: and those kinds of schools. But we haven't seen that

463
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 4: happen yet. You can't go in and boot grandfathered schools.

464
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: But what you can do is destroy a conference and

465
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: then only take the best schools out of it, and

466
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: then it's not your fault if Oregon State has no

467
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 4: place to go?

468
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

469
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I think worries me about what

470
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Speaker 1: could happen next, because it's very popular online, especially to

471
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: think of how all of the remaining teams that aren't

472
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Speaker 1: in either the Big Ten or the SEC will eventually

473
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Speaker 1: clump together into two Pangaea Conferences. But as you said,

474
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Speaker 1: at some point, the cable networks are going to max out.

475
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: They can't pay infinite amount of money, And so what

476
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: worries me is when all these media deals are up,

477
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Speaker 1: are we going to get to a point where TV

478
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Speaker 1: stations and networks have even greater control and do exactly

479
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Speaker 1: what you just described. They're going to Big Ten, they're

480
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: going to the SEC, and they're saying, all right, we

481
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: want these ten teams. We want these ten teams. We're

482
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: going to create a premier league, and whoever is left

483
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Speaker 1: out is left out. But in the future, if this

484
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: is just a continuing plate for more money, that's the

485
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: only way I could see that anybody could pay more.

486
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: Well.

487
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Speaker 4: But it's like I said, the truth is, you don't

488
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: need this kind of money to field a football team, right,

489
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: But you do if you need to have brand new

490
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: athletic facilities every five years, if you need to be

491
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 4: cutting edge, and they have to have the high definition

492
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: TV screens above every locker. In other words, the things

493
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 4: you need to woo the top players is what requires

494
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: these schools to shell out the kind of money they do.

495
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 4: That's not what uniforms cost, right, That's not what travel

496
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: budgets cost. That's not even what it costs to field

497
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 4: the non revenue teams, you know, But that's what you

498
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: need in order to participate in the arms race for

499
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 4: the top recruits. So that's sort of a different questions.

500
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: So if you have your Pangaea League, for example, I

501
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: as long as you have a path for those schools

502
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: to play in the national Championship, I'm not sure there's

503
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 4: not a way to sell that to the schools that

504
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: already are mortgaging their future to try to compete in

505
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 4: the world where trying to be Oregon, for example, without

506
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: a Phil Knight is really I mean, you end up

507
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 4: in debt. I mean, this is the problem that schools.

508
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: I mean, look at Cal's dealing with Washington State's got

509
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: real problems, but they've got those problems because they're trying

510
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: to play with big boys. That there might be a

511
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: sort of a relief not having to And then there's

512
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: another way of looking at this, And I don't know

513
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: how I feel about it, frankly, but I know you

514
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: guys have probably talked about it too, which is there's

515
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: a lot of people that feel like all of this

516
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: is corrupting the college football that we love, and that

517
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: if there's going to be and I think we talked

518
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: about this when we talked last time, if there's going

519
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 4: to be an NFL light that develops out of this,

520
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 4: right with the top twenty four five programs or whatever

521
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 4: you want to say, when all the shakeup is over,

522
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: is there a place where you could say that the

523
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: rest of the teams then actually form something more like

524
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: the college football that we used to appreciate, you know,

525
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 4: can you maybe say that everybody doesn't have to play

526
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: this game and there doesn't have to be winners and

527
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: losers as much as there might just have to be

528
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 4: separate categories. And the only problem is, and we talked

529
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 4: about this the last time, also, is that you definitely

530
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: are killing the regionalism. You definitely are killing the old rivalries.

531
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Speaker 4: And I can't speak for younger people who didn't grow

532
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: up with these rivalries. But when we came to the

533
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: PAC twelve Colorado, for example, and they try to make

534
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: Utah our artificial enemy, we don't hate Utah. We don't have,

535
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, decades and decades of history with that. There

536
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: have been bloodbaths with Nebraska. There's when I think I

537
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: told you guys this story. But when I got to

538
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: Colorado in eighty six, there were all these for you

539
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: young people, I might have to explain it to find it,

540
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 4: xeroxes that were zeros onto every telephone pole and any

541
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: anything that stood vertically above ground on the Colorado campus

542
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 4: that showed a scene from the previous year's game against Nebraska,

543
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 4: and it had two very very large Nebraska players standing

544
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: over what appeared to be a relatively small Colorado player

545
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: who was clearly deathly injured with like his leg snapped

546
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 4: or something, and they were standing above him laughing, and

547
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: this was on. I mean, this was how you develop

548
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: the hatred that even now when we don't play him

549
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 4: for years and then we play them again, it's as

550
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: though nothing left that takes decades to really grow. And

551
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 4: so if you move conferences around too much and you

552
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 4: shatter the the either the history or the developing hatred,

553
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: well then you kill something that that makes something in

554
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: college football I think unique, and I think we're gonna

555
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: miss that down the road. And maybe you know you

556
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: brought up Destroyer of World Worlds and one of the

557
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: things we had said there is, you know, if you

558
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 4: had a gun pointed to your head from the time

559
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 4: you're born, do you even know you have a gun

560
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: pointed to your head? Well, if you've never experienced a

561
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: real rivalry over the decades that it takes to really

562
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: foster something like that, do you really miss it? I

563
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: don't know. I miss Nebraska though.

564
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: So do you find yourself feeling romantic about the past

565
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: more than you do hopeful for the future? Where do

566
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: you how do you square where we are with your.

567
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: Own Colorado fandom.

568
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: And how do you I mean you talk about with

569
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: you know, teams spending like crazy, taking wild financial swings

570
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: to try to compete with the top. Colorado's kind of

571
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: trying to do that right now, where where would you

572
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: prefer Colorado be in that old sort of regional style

573
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: that reforms in your mind, or you know, continuing to

574
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: swing even though it seems on the surface kind of feudal.

575
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you brought that up. That was something

576
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: I had said to myself I should bring up, and

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: then I forgot about it. So I'm glad you reminded me.

578
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: But what Dion Sanders is doing at Colorado again, you know,

579
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: the jury is still out on how this is going

580
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: to turn out, but let's assume it's successful. If it's successful,

581
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: then what he is showing is how schools without a

582
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 4: Phil Knight or without the sort of backing in Ohio

583
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: State or an Alabama has, how they might pull this off?

584
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: Right Because what is deon Sanders State says, Colorado's got

585
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: no bag. We have no bag for these players. If

586
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: you want to bag, you have to go elsewhere. But

587
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: can they promise something else? Is there a way to

588
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 4: offer subsidiary benefits that don't correspond to the things that

589
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: we normally assume a player's after, whether it's you know,

590
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: the hype or the swag, or the or the cachet

591
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: of playing for Deon Sanders or this idea. You know,

592
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 4: he has this line. I'm going to try to remember it.

593
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: If you play good, they pay good. I mean, is

594
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 4: it the idea that that stop trying to make all

595
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: this money when you're in college, Come here, I'll make

596
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: you a pro and then you'll make tons of money.

597
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: So are there other ways to set cause?

598
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: Again?

599
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: All these facility upgrades and staying on the cutting edge

600
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: of all the cool stuff for the players is all

601
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: part of gaining a recruiting edge. Are there other ways

602
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: to gain that recruiting edge without all that? And I

603
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: think that's what this Deon Sanders approach is an attempt

604
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: to do to say, we're never going to have what

605
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: Alabama and Oregon have, but we have something that they don't.

606
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: Come here, play for me. I'll get you to the

607
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: pros I have. And I think you know, it's never said,

608
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: but you feel like it's implied, you know, when he

609
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: brings all these pros who was it that was that

610
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: was there this week top wide receiver shows up for

611
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: the NFL. You got these guys and who was it was?

612
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: The Denver Broncos working out with them the other day.

613
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: There's this implied thing like, I know all these guys

614
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL play for me, and I'll make a call.

615
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: Right they'll know your name because I'll call them for you.

616
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: That's not something that's advertised on the wall, but you

617
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: get this sense that there's you know that that's the

618
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: hidden advantag of coming to Colorado now is there's no bag,

619
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: but Deon Sanders is going to make you know all

620
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: the connections for you.

621
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: One, there's only Deon.

622
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: There's only one Deon Sanders though, right that like, it's

623
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: not a blueprint that can easily be replicated unless you

624
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: go find the most charismatic players of the last you know,

625
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: twenty five years and convince them to coach at your college.

626
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: That would, I think be the counterpoint that it would

627
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: be hard for Purdue or Minnesota or Oklahoma State or

628
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: somebody like or Oklahoma State has money, so that's not

629
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: a good example, but you know, a smaller major program

630
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: to replicate. And two, if it works, isn't Dion gone.

631
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: Isn't he leaving Colorado in that situation?

632
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: So that's that's the big worry, is that if Deon

633
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: Sanders is a horrible coach and we lose a ton,

634
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: then this was a bad thing. If Deon Sanders is

635
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: a fantastic coach and leaves next year, then this was

636
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: probably I can't say it's a bad thing because again

637
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: one in eleven, right, but but it's not optimal. You know, Well,

638
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: here's what you hope. And again you asked earlier whether

639
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: I'm watching all of the materials and the hype and everything,

640
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: and I am. He has, so I guess he's a

641
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: great fisherman. He's really enjoying Boulder. He bought a house

642
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: that's got a stream behind his house that has these

643
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: huge fish in it. You know, what you kind of

644
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: hope is that if he can win at Colorado, and

645
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: you can win at Colorado, sure, then maybe you find

646
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: the lifestyles wonderful and there's no reason to leave. I

647
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: just there was a story out yesterday that Colorado just

648
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: beat all of its previous records at least for the

649
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: last decade, on the amount of money donated to the

650
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: athletic department this last year. Well that's all from Dion

651
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: Sanders too. So theoretically, I mean, could we pay him

652
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: as much as any other team out there? I don't

653
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: think we could. But again, and this is almost the

654
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: Dion Sanders philosophy working on Dion Sanders, but could we

655
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: make his life good enough in so many other respects

656
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: that when you take it all holistically, you'd rather win

657
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: there than elsewhere. And let's be honest, there's another aspect

658
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: here that I think Oregon and Washington are going to

659
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: find out to their detriment when they go to the

660
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: Big Ten. This is not going to be as tough

661
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: of a conference to get to the playoffs in. And

662
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: there's an advantage there too, Or you know, there's the

663
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: real possibility that Oregon's going to find themselves. You know,

664
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: I'll probably eat my words here, but going six and six,

665
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: a lot of the years in the in the Big Ten,

666
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: and a team like Nebraska who's already struggling, what are

667
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: they going to do with usc UCLA, Oregon and Washington

668
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: now probably in whatever division they end up in. Life

669
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: just got tougher for those schools. Life just got easier

670
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: for Dion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes.

671
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: So you grew up in southern California. I remember you

672
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: live in Eugene, Oregon, or you used to live in Eugene, OI.

673
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: I do, I've lived here a long time now. Yeah, yeah,

674
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: So you are familiar with West Coast football. I went

675
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: to Oregon. I'm from southern California, and so there is

676
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: definitely a part of me as somebody who grew up

677
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: watching all of these West Coast schools play each other.

678
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 3: That is said is wistful because what we're now seeing

679
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: is this sort of mega conference coming together. And I

680
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: don't feel anything about Wisconsin, even though Oregon played Wisconsin

681
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: and the Rose bull I don't feel anything about Oregon

682
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: playing Northwestern or Minnesota or Ohio State, Rutgers, Maryland, all

683
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: of these places. And so I'm starting at square one

684
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: as an Oregon fan as I'm sure and Oregon will

685
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: play you know, Washington, USC, UCLA. So there's the connectivity there.

686
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: But will you watch a new look Big ten knowing

687
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: that you don't necessarily have feelings about a lot of

688
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: these matchups even though you have that that geographic connective tissue.

689
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't know I think what you're saying, though,

690
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: holds a lot of weight. I mean, the idea that

691
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: you could have a more than a one hundred year

692
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: old college conference just disappear overnight is upsetting. I mean,

693
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, and I don't know what I mean. Look,

694
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 4: it's one thing if you have conferences that have been

695
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: on shaky ground for a long time. Maybe only interests locally,

696
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: but I mean the PAC ten, PAC twelve, PAC eight

697
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: back when I was a kid. That's a historic conference.

698
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: I mean the Rose Bowl with the PAC twelve, PAC

699
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: ten and the Big Ten. I mean, these are foundational

700
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: entities in college football. I mean if the SEC went

701
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: away tomorrow, what would that mean? Or if the Big

702
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: ten went away tomorrow, what would that I mean, It's

703
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: hard to square that with a sport who's you know,

704
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: one of the things that they sell the most when

705
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: they talk about it is tradition, right, I mean the

706
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: Conference of Champions, all that sort of hype. No, it's

707
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: hard to square and I do think that. You know,

708
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: I was joking with a friend the other day, I

709
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: think we're one step away. There's only one thing that

710
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: the pros do that college doesn't do yet, and we

711
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: maybe you know, we were playing around with the idea

712
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: because it's kind of a funky idea. But why does

713
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: the University of Oregon even have to play in Eugene anymore?

714
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: I mean, why can't it be the University of Oregon

715
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: Ducks in Las Vegas?

716
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: Right?

717
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: The Las Vegas Ducks representing the University of Oregon. I mean,

718
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: that's the one last holdover, is that these these teams

719
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: are actually still tied to the institutions. But somebody might

720
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: turn around one day and go, well, you know, if

721
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: Oregon can't get enough money here to compete, there are

722
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: a lot of other towns that would pay for them,

723
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: and they could still be the University of Oregon Ducks.

724
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: They just wouldn't be in, you know, a tiny little

725
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: town like Eugene. I mean, that's to me, that's the

726
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: only difference between the NFL right now. NFL teams can move,

727
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: college teams can't. But whoever wrote that they can't?

728
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: Are you for this?

729
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: No?

730
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: No, no time, not for what's already happened. It was me,

731
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: I'd still be in the Big Eight. What are you

732
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: talking about?

733
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: I like this. I'm just making sure. I'm just making

734
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: sure sense check, that's all. Yes, No.

735
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 3: One of the terms I use is scar tissue. As

736
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: as an Oregon fan, you know, everybody makes a big

737
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: deal about the traditions and the rivalries that we lose.

738
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: And my thing this whole time is I have a

739
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: lot of scar tissue about Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State.

740
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: I even remember our game Colorado, if you can believe it,

741
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: beat Oregon in the last decade.

742
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: And cal I was at that game. By the way,

743
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: that was awesome.

744
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: When Oregon was dressed up as the duck, when they

745
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: were wearing the orange cleat.

746
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: I'd interrupt you and tell you a story about that

747
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: than you though, because to me, it embodies everything we're

748
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: talking about in college football.

749
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: Right.

750
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: So, Colorado's gone through these terrible years and it's been

751
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: really tough for wee Colorado fans. And so I'm at

752
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: that game with a bunch of Oregon fans. And if

753
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: you saw that game, Colorado won it the very last second.

754
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 4: It was completely improbable. I don't know what the points

755
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 4: spread was in Vegas, but it was. It was never

756
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: supposed to happen. Right, So as we're walking out of

757
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: the game, the entire Oregon crowd is stunned. But there's

758
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: a few Colorado fans like yours truly in the crowd

759
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: as we're walking out, and we were afraid to, you know,

760
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: hoot and hall right because we're so badly outnumber. But

761
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, and I mean completely spontaneously, anyone

762
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 4: who was wearing any Colorado gear or anything would hold

763
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: their hands up above the crowd, and another Colorado fan

764
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 4: would touch your hand and just this sort of silent

765
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: acknowledgment of hey, something good happened to us. We did it.

766
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: We're in hostile territory, but can you believe we won

767
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: that game? And I mean this was completely voiceless, wordless,

768
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 4: and everyone did it. And I walked out of that

769
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: and just said, where else does that happen? So when

770
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: we talk about the specialness of this sport, that to

771
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: me is one of those moments where you just go

772
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: that was a special moment in a horrible era of

773
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 4: Colorado football for me, and I don't think it would

774
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: have happened had we been this powerhouse. It only happened

775
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: because we had this shared moment of a victory in darkness,

776
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: and only another Colorado fan that day knew what it meant.

777
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: And we couldn't celebrate openly, we couldn't tear down the

778
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: goalpost to the visiting stadium, but we could have this

779
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: silent moment of acknowledgment that you know, we were in

780
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 4: this together in this hostile place, and wasn't it awesome?

781
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: You know?

782
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: See, that's that's an interesting point and observation. I've been

783
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: in stadiums where Oregon fans were super out numbered, you know,

784
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: at USC wherever, and Oregon is able to pull off

785
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: an upset in hostile territory, but Oregon fans can get

786
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: to USC. There are a ton of Oregon fans in

787
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: southern California. There are a ton of Washington fans along

788
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: the West coast. I wonder if it's going to be

789
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: different when one of these West coast schools plays, you know, Minnesota,

790
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: Minnesota wouldn't be an upset, but Penn State or Michigan.

791
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: And I think early on people will travel. I just

792
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: wonder if the experience of seeing college football in person

793
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: on the road changes with geography, that you won't have

794
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: as many acknowledged, silent acknowledgements after your team goes into

795
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: a huge stadium and pulls off an upset. I think

796
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: the geography might play in there, but maybe I'm wrong.

797
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: I don't see how it can't be an issue. I mean,

798
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: first of all, if they do pods, or I mean,

799
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: when you're if Oregon is playing the two LA schools

800
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: in Washington and then some schools in the Big Ten

801
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: or whatever, I think, I think you'll get just as

802
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: much travel as you always did with the with the

803
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: schools on the West Coast, and then maybe your average

804
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 4: Oregon fanels spring for a game here or a game

805
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: there on the road. But it has to affect things,

806
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: I would think, and uh, and you know what, not

807
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 4: just that I do think that. You know, I have

808
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: a lot of friends who are Oregon fans, and they

809
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: keep talking about Oregon's record against some of these schools.

810
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 4: We beat Michigan this year, or we beat Ohio State

811
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: this year, and I keep saying, yes, but those are

812
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: one offs. Especially the way Oregon schedules, it's usually one marquee,

813
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: really tough non conference game sandwich between two relatively winnable ones,

814
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: and so you can get up for that. It's not

815
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: like you're facing those kinds of offensive lines week after

816
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: week after week. I think that's going to be t

817
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: when you have to do that in terms of injuries

818
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: and depth. Here's the thing that's more interesting to me

819
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 4: is with these West Coast schools going to the Big Ten,

820
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: with the weather, with the style of ball and everything

821
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: that those teams play, are you going to start to

822
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: see those teams look like Big ten teams? I mean,

823
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: once you've gone through a few recruiting cycles, do they

824
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: start to resemble the Michigan States and the Ohio States

825
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: and the Iowa's a little bit more. I'm intrigued by

826
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 4: that possibility.

827
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: God, I hope they don't look like Iowa.

828
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: I really, especially on offense. I can't handle that.

829
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 4: See I can I want see this is where we're

830
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: different coming from a Big eight school. I want if

831
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: you go watch the two thousand and one game where

832
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: Colorado destroyed the Nebraska program and somehow killed ourselves in

833
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: the same game. I don't know how that happened. That's

834
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: the style of football I want to play. And what's

835
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: funny is it's very old fashioned. And I was reading

836
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: somewhere that Nebraska's trying to go back to more. I mean,

837
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, this could be a bunch of hype, but

838
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: that new coach wants to go back to a full back,

839
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 4: two tight ends, that kind of thing, and see if

840
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: that works. I'm really curious if that worked. I'd love

841
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: to do that.

842
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: It's it.

843
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: But you know what, it's a stupid thing to do

844
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: to go to an old style offense just because of nostalgia.

845
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if that's the case, why not go to like,

846
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: you know, the flying v and all that kind of

847
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 4: old stuff.

848
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, I have to ask, since you've been talking

849
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: so much smack on Nebraska, Dan, there is a game

850
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: this year between Colorado and Nebraska. Do you have any

851
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: plans to attend.

852
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: I'm going, Yeah, I'm going. I couldn't. I couldn't get

853
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: out of it. Somebody offered me free tickets and then

854
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: you and I said to my wife, I said, I'm

855
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: not going. I said, I have to watch that game

856
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: alone in a darkened room on television with rewind and

857
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: announcers and all this. And she said, no, no, no, you're good.

858
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: We're both going. If the free tickets to a game

859
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: that's hard to get tickets to. Nebraska is a hard

860
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: game for me to watch though, because if you actually

861
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 4: go look at the stats, you know your your poor

862
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 4: audience has been regaled with Colorado centric discussion, this whole conversation.

863
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: But if you actually go and watch those games, the

864
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: number of times that Nebraska has scored either the very

865
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 4: first time they touched the ball or in the first series. Again,

866
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: this is how rivalries are made, right, This is where

867
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: you develop. Like you had talked about scars, this is

868
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 4: how scars are formed. And the scars are what really

869
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 4: you know, what's that old line from one of the

870
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: superhero movies. Our scars are what make us who we are.

871
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 4: And that's how these programs develop the sort of feels

872
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: that they have. And so I don't even want to

873
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: be at the stadium. And I told my wife. She

874
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: said we're going, And I said, great, So what do

875
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 4: we do if Nebraska kills us? It's gonna be a

876
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: lot of fun to be at the stadium live when

877
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: that happens. So yes, I'll be at the game. Apparently,

878
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: do you have a single piece of red clothing? You

879
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 4: strike me as somebody who might not because of Nebraska.

880
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: It's funny you say that. So I'm wearing a pair

881
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: of red athletic shorts right now. And my wife and wait,

882
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: and my wife and my daughter looked at me today

883
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: and said, I don't think I've ever seen you in red.

884
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 4: So it's like the first time if.

885
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: You have any antics when you're watching Colorado football, like

886
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: if you're alone in the darkened room, because I.

887
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: Know Dan and I do yet I'm usually on message

888
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: boards at the same time, and not just mine. I'll

889
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: be on Nebraska's at the same time. Right, I'll be

890
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 4: reading both sides and comments about every play.

891
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know I have a problem. Oh this

892
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: is great.

893
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: So what are you a Are you a silent viewer

894
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: stewing when you're upset?

895
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Are you a yeller? Have you broken remotes? Is?

896
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: What is the physical reputation that you have watching Colorado football?

897
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: It's you know, again, you have to make a distinction

898
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 4: between watching Colorado football and watching the Nebraska game. Right, Normally,

899
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: I'm a very quiet, sort of passive observer, especially you know,

900
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 4: the last few years have given me nothing to get

901
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: excited about. I mean, you just kind of get you know,

902
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: you resign yourself. But Nebraska's different. And I have to say,

903
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: even with these down years, we've beaten Nebraska the last

904
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: couple of times we've played them. I believe this game

905
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 4: this year is going to cause I think our record

906
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: in the twenty first centuries even either this one evens

907
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: it up or this will put Colorado head one or

908
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: the other. So for this game, yes, I throw things,

909
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: I scream and yell, and it's the it's completely out

910
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: of character too. I mean, it is once again a

911
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: bizarre testimonial to what this sport can do to us,

912
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: with the passion and the excitement and the history and

913
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. It's it's the let's put

914
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: it this way, I'm down to one sport and this

915
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: is it. And if they screw this one up for me,

916
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: I got nothing else.

917
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: So what what now?

918
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Right now?

919
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: You have the Nebraska game coming up? Are you going

920
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: to be watching the sport in its entirety?

921
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: Has that?

922
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: Has anything changed with this offseason, with the movement of

923
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: the sport? How are you adjusting? I know you have

924
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: your the things that excite you, the things that worry you.

925
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: How do you plan on consuming the sport overall next

926
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: year and beyond.

927
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 4: Well, it's weird for my family because I obviously went

928
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: to see you, but my wife went to Washington State.

929
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: Her whole family went to Oregon State. So, as her

930
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: brother told me recently, Oregon in State doesn't even know

931
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: who they're playing next year. Yeah, I mean, try to

932
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: imagine what that looks like. They don't even know who

933
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: they're playing once conference schedules start. So, I mean, I

934
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: have a lot of sympathy for the programs that don't

935
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: have a home right now. And we can talk all

936
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: day long about we know we'll just go into the

937
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: Mountain West or just reform the PAC twelve. But it's

938
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: easier said than done. And if the money's not there,

939
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: I guess you should be glad that there's a route

940
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: to the championship game somehow. But it's going to be

941
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: a look, as I told my brother in law, Colorado

942
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 4: is just in a more delayed version of what Oregon

943
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: State has because when that big twelve TV deal comes

944
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: up for renewal, it could be the same situation all

945
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 4: over again. I mean, I don't think the TV networks

946
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: are going to be really excited about re upping your Texas, Tech, Central, Florida,

947
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's no offense to those teams,

948
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 4: but it's not Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama. You know, it's

949
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: just a different story once you not one of those

950
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: have programs and so I'm going to be watching the

951
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: last year of the PAC twelve is the way I

952
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 4: look at it and try to enjoy, you know, one

953
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: hundred and some year old conference play its last year,

954
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: and ironically enough, it could be one of the best

955
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: years in conference history if you look at on the

956
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: on paper anyway. And then I think, I'm gonna watch

957
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: the year after that to see what the new world

958
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: looks like. And I'll always watch CU football. But so

959
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 4: there's a little curiosity about what the first year in

960
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: the Big ten means to all those PAC twelve formerly

961
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: packed twelve teams and what I don't know what the

962
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: first year in the Mountain west of the reform PAC

963
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: twelve looks like for the schools that stand by and look,

964
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: let's be honest, what's going to happen with the ACC?

965
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: I think that's the next big question for everybody to

966
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 4: wonder about, because if Clemson and Miami and Florida State

967
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: go away, I mean, you know, then what do you have?

968
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 4: I mean, goodness, gracious.

969
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: So here's your platform, here is your opportunity, deep Colorado.

970
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: What do you believe is I'm trying to figure out

971
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: how to ask this question. I just want to give

972
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: you a platform to give you your Colorado thoughts at

973
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: the moment. I think the general consensus at the moment

974
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: is they have interesting skill players. They have speed on defense,

975
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: the good corners in our great corners potentially in Cormani

976
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: Maclain and Travis Hunter, an intriguing quarterback prospect who hasn't

977
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: faced big time defenses in Shador Sanders. What do you

978
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: think people have right and wrong about either Gelling or

979
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: where the talent is. It's hard to sort of know

980
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: because none of these guys have played together, it seems.

981
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: So what is your general outlook in the short term

982
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: with Colorado football this season? What are you expecting to

983
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: see on the field.

984
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 4: Well, well, let me apologize to your audience once again

985
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: for a completely Colorado centric program today, But I'll give

986
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: you the rundown. I can give you some so quarterback

987
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: feel however you want about Shadoor Sanders. Colorado does not

988
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: traditionally have good quarterbacks. So I can count the good

989
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 4: quarterbacks at Colorado on one hand, and even the ones

990
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: that graded on a curve look good to us are

991
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: not that great. Cordel Stewart, Darien Hagen are the best

992
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: quarterbacks I ever saw. At Colorado. Corey Deptman was probably

993
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 4: the best pure passer at Colorado, And while I love

994
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 4: those guys, they're not Peyton Manning, right. So this is

995
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: the best quarterback Colorado's had in a very long time.

996
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: He may be the best quarterback Colorado's ever had, and

997
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: it doesn't take that much to be to be the

998
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 4: best we've ever had. We're a running back school when

999
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: it comes to offense, right in an offensive line school.

1000
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: Running back. I don't know how to grade the running

1001
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: back hip because the guy who's a mcaskal, who's coming

1002
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 4: off a terrible knee injury, and he still seems a

1003
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: little fragile. So we'll see Covasier Smoke from Kentucky. I

1004
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: don't know what to think of him yet. Dylan Edwards,

1005
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: the guy we stole from Notre Dame, is fast as lightning.

1006
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: I'm happy to have somebody who's fast as lightning. So

1007
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: we'll see. I'm glad to have him out there. The

1008
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 4: offensive line, I don't trust the offensive line yet. Got

1009
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: my fingers crossed, but I think the skill players on

1010
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: offense are the best we've had a lot, and the

1011
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: wide receivers are maybe better than any we've ever had

1012
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: as a group.

1013
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

1014
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: So it was a few years ago with Laviska Chanalt

1015
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 3: and Katie Nickson. They had a couple of dudes.

1016
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: Oh but you think back in my day was like

1017
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: Charles Johnson. Oh sure, I mean the guys, we had

1018
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: some great guys back in the day. But but this

1019
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 4: is a lot of depth to go along with the skill.

1020
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: We'll see how tight end pans out. I don't know

1021
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: if I believe some of the hype coming out of

1022
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 4: the camp, but we'll see. Defense is a different question, Tire.

1023
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: The dbs are fantastic. I think you're gonna have a

1024
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: I think I think that's going to allow the defensive

1025
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: coordinator to do some interesting things to cover up holes

1026
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: that we might have. Don't know about the linebackers. These

1027
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: are supposedly good players. We'll see, Uh, the edge, he's

1028
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: going to be good. The interior, I don't know about.

1029
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: But once again, if your DB's are really rock solid

1030
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: and really good, you can cover up some of those holes.

1031
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 4: Maybe we might have to outscore some people, and depending

1032
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: on how the offensive line turns out, we'll see how

1033
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 4: that happens. But as I said, coming from one to eleven,

1034
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: I don't know how you're not just completely jacked and

1035
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: and and they may call Dion Sanders a failure if

1036
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: we go you know, six and six or something like that.

1037
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: But that's a huge victory if that's especially Yeah, and

1038
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: look at the look at this and look at the schedule.

1039
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 4: I mean, with the schedule the Buffs have this year.

1040
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 4: If we go six to six, I don't know how

1041
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: you're not happy. It's about fan no matter how much

1042
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: cool aid you're dripping.

1043
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh he'd be National Coach of the year six and six.

1044
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that scares me. Right. You don't know how

1045
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: to You don't know how many victories you want Dan

1046
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: to have, right if if he has a super great season,

1047
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: we may lose him.

1048
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: So but here's the thing.

1049
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Coming from one to eleven, even if you go six

1050
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: and six, he builds up all of this national attention

1051
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: on Colorado football again, which which has not been there.

1052
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: That's a net positive. Even if he leaves after a year,

1053
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: if he gets anything nothing in a good direction, you know,

1054
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: I think maybe the coach you can get after him too,

1055
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: might be better than you could have hope for other

1056
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, when you raise the profile of the program

1057
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: because here's the problem.

1058
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: And you guys know this, and your whole audience knows

1059
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: it too. The memory of these people you're trying to

1060
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: recruit is probably eight to ten years long. So if

1061
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: you haven't been good in eight or ten years, it

1062
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how long. Those of us who have long

1063
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: memories of a program's history matter, right. So what Dion

1064
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 4: Sanders is doing is raising the profile in the minds

1065
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: of these young people in a way that puts Colorado

1066
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: at least on the radar for their short term memory here,

1067
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: so that even if he leaves, you'll have more to

1068
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 4: build on than you otherwise would. And if he's leaving

1069
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: because of success, all the better. So that's why I

1070
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: think this is one of those hires that was a

1071
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: no lose higher for us, no matter what happens.

1072
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: Have you and be honest here, have you written more

1073
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: than one thousand words at a time on a message board?

1074
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: Oh? No, people hate that you can't do that, But

1075
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: you can write four or five posts in quick succession.

1076
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: Use it like Twitter, right, use the universe?

1077
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, three or four two hundred and fifty word posts

1078
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 4: and in quick succession.

1079
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

1080
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: Dan Carlin hardcore history what can we promote for you?

1081
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Speaker 1: What have you been up to now?

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Speaker 4: Then? Just you know you do the shows, love it

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00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: if people like the work. I like talking college football.

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00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: You guys do a great job, You ask great questions,

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00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 4: and as always, I hope, I hope we don't bore

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Speaker 4: your audience to tears.

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Speaker 2: That's all. Now, they'll love it.

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Speaker 1: Here here's what we're gonna do, Dan. We're gonna give

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Speaker 1: you our phone number, our voicemail line that you can

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Speaker 1: call into after that Colorado Nebraska game and give us

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00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: a real time, raw reaction and we'll play it on you.

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Speaker 4: We'll see it depends on how things go. Yes, I

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00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: don't need to be on your show having it all

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00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: rubbed in, you know, so we'll see sobbing. Yeah, guys,

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00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 4: what we're gonna know it. We're gonna know a lot

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Speaker 4: more clearly after the first game, because that's the problem

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Speaker 4: is that we are a complete unknown.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: We can be awful, we could be great, we could

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Speaker 4: be anywhere in between, and we have no idea when

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00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: you've got seventy new players, all new coaches will have

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Speaker 4: the offense. I mean, everything is completely unknown. So we'll

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Speaker 4: know more after the first game and you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. You almost think you kind of want to lose,

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00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 4: just barely to TCU. Have a chip on your shoulder.

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: Have the first game at home for Deon Sanders running

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Speaker 4: behind the buffalo or scootering behind the buffalo or whatever

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 4: he's going to be doing, and then, you know, hopefully

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00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 4: do real well against the rivals and tear the goalpost down.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see. But I have no idea what to expect.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I have a ton of curiosity like the

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Speaker 4: rest of you.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, we appreciate your time. As always, We'll keep

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Speaker 1: in touch this season. It's going to be interesting, to

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Speaker 1: say the least for a Colorado fan. Dan carlon Hardcore History,

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Speaker 1: Thank you again. We'll have you back on it at

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Speaker 1: some point.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on, guys, as usual, appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It all right, Dan, there you go, West Coast Brethren

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Speaker 1: for you on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: The connective tissue of growing up in southern California, spending

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00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: time in Eugene, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Ruining the end of the Pac twelve.

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Speaker 3: On a certain level, of course, I think as a

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Speaker 3: Colorado fan he might be a little bit more excited

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: for the Buffs to join the Big twelve than I

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00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: am for Oregon to join the Big Ten. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: the energy from Dan Carlin is unmatched. Hy It's unmatched.

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Speaker 3: It is right where it needs to be. If you're

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Speaker 3: a college football fan and like on a personal level,

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00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: I can't help but geek out when he comes on

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00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: the program. Hardcore History is on my Rushmore podcasts.

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00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: I love what he does. Of course, go and check

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00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: out his podcast, Hardcore History. It's just interested in learning

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00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: something new. Dan does an awesome job just speaking to

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: these moments in history and these situations that have kind

1137
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: of crafted the world. He does an awesome job. We're

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: so thrilled that he came back, and I'm going to

1139
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: try and get him on the reverbline this year after

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: that Nebraska game. I'm going to try and earnest. I'm

1141
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: just going to send it to him the number, like,

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00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: hey man, if you're feeling up to it, give us

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Speaker 1: a ring.

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00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: I agree. I'm hopeful for that.

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00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: So what it says ty that somebody who just constantly

1146
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: deep dives some of the greatest human atrocities ever turns

1147
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: to college football as something that is particularly interesting to

1148
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 3: him and mid tier to low tier fandom with where

1149
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: Colorado has been the visceral nature of him talking about

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00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: Nebraska football as a Colorado fan.

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Speaker 1: Did it not bring a tier to your eye?

1152
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: I would never publicly admit to scanning an opponent's a

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00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: rival's message board, not the company rivals, but a rival

1154
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 3: commass message board during a game in which your team

1155
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: is looking great. And the fact that he so freely

1156
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: does it means he's so comfortable in his college football

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00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: scan beautiful help.

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Speaker 1: But to love having him on the show, Oh, it's

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00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. And the other thing I know that we've

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00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: found over the years when we bring on just a

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00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: prominent fan, doesn't matter who it is, sometimes they're a

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00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: little hazy on the facts. Oh my god, not no

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00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Carl D. Carlin dropping it and Alton mccaskell, Dan Carlin

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Speaker 1: knows what Colorado football. Well, yeah, look, it's good to

1165
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: have him back. Well, we'll try to bring him on

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: again at some point throughout the course of the season,

1167
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: if only in voicemail form. Go and check out Hardcore History.

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Speaker 1: His podcast needs no introduction.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you one final question? Yeah? Please?

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Speaker 3: So, a lot of everybody that follows college football on

1171
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: sort of a regional or national level, has cultivated some

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Speaker 3: sort of opinion about Deon Sanders over the course of

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: the last few months, from time you hired to revamping

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: the roster and now we're in the midst of fall

1175
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: camp as we record this. Has your opinion of him

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00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 3: or of Colorado big picture, medium picture, small picture? Has

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00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: it evolved at all? The more you've just sort of

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00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: sat on the knowledge that Deon Sanders and this roster

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00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: are going to be making their way through I guess

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Speaker 3: the Pac twelve, but then the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: I have maintained since the very beginning that it's a

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: brilliant move. Okay, it's a brilliant hire, and I know

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: his tactics came under fire a bit. They're going to

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00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: have something like seventy one new players. Yeah, this season

1185
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: they had fifty guys transfer out. We've never seen that

1186
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of roster turnover, not even close to it, and

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Speaker 1: I know that rankled some. I don't see unless he

1188
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: commits horrible recruiting violations along the way, which is not

1189
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: off the table unless he gets them in hot water,

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00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: that's going to affect the program moving forward. I can't

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: see how it's a bad thing. Even if they go

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00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: to and ten, like, there's so much more interest in

1193
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: the program. As Dan mentioned, there is more money flowing

1194
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: into this program now than ever before. I just think

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Speaker 1: I've always felt like it was a smart move, and

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Speaker 1: everything I've seen so far, although unorthodox, has really just

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Speaker 1: reinforced that for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, the thing is, you say, even if he

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Speaker 3: goes to inten, he's going to have to do better

1201
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: than that, because going through a terrible season is still

1202
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 3: going to hurt recruiting, even if Dion's able to sell

1203
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: it as like, well, you know it's your one. This

1204
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: is just you know, I was trying to put together

1205
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: a roster that's more respectable than where it was, but

1206
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: still you want a little bit of proof of concept

1207
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: that like, well, if deon hand selected these guys to

1208
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: you know, be in his too deep, you'd sort of

1209
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: hope that he could get more out of them if

1210
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: this is the roster he wanted to assemble. Obviously you

1211
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: miss on some recruits, but I'm I'm still for it

1212
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: because I'm a big believer in taking swings, and this

1213
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: is certainly a swing from Colorado. I'm crazy curious to

1214
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: see what happens the week after something goes terribly wrong, right,

1215
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: because that's when you're going to see like, oh, Dion

1216
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: has their heads in the right place, they're still locked in.

1217
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: They lost that game by twenty eight. It was ugly.

1218
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: It was never a game. The team they lost to

1219
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: wasn't anything special. Can they bounce back this coming week

1220
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Speaker 3: against Arizona State or Washington State?

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Speaker 2: Right?

1222
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: Can he prevent Colorado? Is he in a place as

1223
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: ahead coach? Because they certainly look to be in that

1224
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: place at Jackson State, but all they did was win

1225
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: games there. It's going to be different this year, So

1226
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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what that team looks like after

1227
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Speaker 3: a setback of some kind.

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Speaker 1: They're also a great unknown, you know. So much of

1229
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: what we do when we're previewing teams is we're looking

1230
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: back at how a team did last year and we're

1231
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: looking forward and trying to judge based on how many

1232
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: of those guys are back returning production. It does mean something.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean everything, but it's not insignificant.

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Speaker 4: Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's starting over. Yeah, it's so drastic that it doesn't matter.

1236
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: You throw it out completely. They are very much an

1237
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: unknown quantity. Now. We're not expecting them to go ten

1238
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: to two. It'll be I think a miracle if they

1239
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: make a bowl game. But there is something, There is

1240
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: a charm, especially in college football when you're dealing with

1241
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: a truly unknown quantity, especially one that's as public facing

1242
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: as Dion Sanders and Colorado are. Now they're one of

1243
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: the top five most interesting stories. Even if they don't

1244
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: win a game in twenty twenty three.

1245
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Speaker 3: It's it's wild, it's and they have TCU Week one. Yeah,

1246
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 3: the most anticipated Week one matchup in the last year,

1247
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: to say the least. Yeah, I can't wait. I think

1248
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: it's a great story. And I appreciated Dan pointing out that, like, look,

1249
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 3: from the outside, you might not like it overhauling a roster,

1250
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: just like cutting players left and right, because it's your

1251
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: turn now to build this roster. But it does have

1252
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: that feel of like, hey, look, I know I'm a

1253
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: Giants fan, and that's why I love Barry Bonds, even

1254
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: if everybody else hates them.

1255
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 2: I know I'm a Laker fan.

1256
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: I know everybody else hates Sasha Vyachich for hounding everybody,

1257
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: but I love him.

1258
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Speaker 2: And so there is that element of like, look, we

1259
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: went one and eleven. Something wasn't right. The roster was

1260
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: not in a good enough place to get to a.

1261
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: Bol taste for times desperate measures.

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01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: So something had to be done pretty dramatically, And if

1263
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: it were your team, you would be hoping for the

1264
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: same kind of year to year overhaul given that kind

1265
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: of flexibility that's available in college football now So I.

1266
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Speaker 1: Like that he may be a bit bombastic. At least

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01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: he's honest, Yeah, definitely is.

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Speaker 2: At Least he's.

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Speaker 1: Honest, and that's in short supply in college football nowadays,

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Speaker 1: so I at least give him that. Right in Salverbodgmail

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Speaker 1: dot com, find us on social media. We are turning

1272
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: the corner now and running downhill towards the season Week

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Speaker 1: zero getting awfully big in the window. We'll have our

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Speaker 1: preview for you on our next episode, the handful of

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Speaker 1: games that are of interest.

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Speaker 2: One more time.

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Speaker 1: As I said at the very top of the episode,

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Speaker 1: verballers dot Com is where you can go and check

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Speaker 1: out all the perse we've got this season on our

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Speaker 1: patron It's the best way you can support what Dan

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Speaker 1: and I do. You have nothing more play for the prizes, man,

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Speaker 1: It'll be fun. Verballers dot Com v E R B

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Speaker 1: A L L E R s dot com. Big thanks

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Speaker 1: to our guest of honor Dan Carl And check him

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Speaker 1: out over at hardcore History for that guy of there,

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Speaker 1: Dan rubenste for myself Tie Hiller brand things for downloading, listening,

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Speaker 1: and supporting the show. But we'll talk to y'll soon.

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Speaker 2: Stay solid, peace, m