1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have Miranda 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Divine with me. She is a journalist and all around 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: truth teller. You've likely seen her columns in The New 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: York Post or heard her research into the Biden family 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: in her previous book, The Laptop from Hell, or her 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: most recent book, which is titled The Big Guy of Course, 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: The Big Guy How a President and his son sold 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: out America. Miranda, thank you so much for joining me today. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Tudor. Great to be with you. 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So. We were just talking before we went on, 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: and I really want to kind of dig into the 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: pardon of Hunter Biden because I feel like it just disappeared. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Everybody moved on. There's so much happening with the new 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: administration and the appointments that come out out every day, 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: but this was significant. You've written a lot about it, 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: so could you kind of do a deep dive into 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: what this means? 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Sure, it is pretty egregious, Tutor. It's a situation where 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: we've all known, I guess for at least four years 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden was influenced peddling, using his father's name 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: to extract millions of dollars from America's adversaries during his 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: father's vice presidency, and we also have discovered, partly due 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: to Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, but also due to various whistleblowers, 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: that Joe Biden was intimately involved in that family business 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: and his brother Jim Biden was also involved. Fully expecting 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Jim Biden to get a pardon soon, but the Hunter 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: Biden pardon. I was not surprised that Joe Biden did this. 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: I found it more surprising that anyone was surprised because, 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: regardless of the fact that Joe Biden had said about 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: a dozen times, either he or the White House Press 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: Secretary Korean Jean Pierre, had vowed that he would never 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: pardon his son. And you know, all these Democrats were 33 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: saying that Joe Biden was so honest and upright and 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: believed in the rule of law, so of course he 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. That was surprising that anyone believed Joe 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: Biden because his entire career is littered with or marked 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: by lies and exaggerations, plagiarism, you name it. I guess 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: what did surprise me was just the extent of this pardon. 39 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: Because Joe Biden has gone back eleven years, not ten eleven, 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: back to twenty fourteen, and twenty fourteen is important because 41 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: that was in February of twenty fourteen. That was a 42 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: Maidan revolution in Ukraine, and that was the beginning of 43 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's sort of you know, being the Emperor of Ukraine. 44 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: Barack Obama had and trusted him with carriage of a 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: lot of foreign policy, and particularly in countries like Ukraine 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: and China where most of the Biden family grift was occurring. 47 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: And so Joe Biden would fly into Ukraine throughout twenty 48 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: fourteen and he would lecture the Ukrainians about corruption. He 49 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: would say, corruption is a cancer. And yet they knew 50 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: that his son Hunter was sitting on the board of 51 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: the most corrupt company in Ukraine, Barisma, and so that 52 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: Hunter joined the Barisma board paid about a million dollars 53 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: a year in April of twenty fourteen. And that's why 54 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: the pardon stretches back to twenty fourteen, and as well, 55 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean the following year came the quid pro quo 56 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden as soon as he joined the Barisma board. 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: You can see from emails, and we've also been told 58 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: by various whistleblowers that he was being pressured by the 59 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: owner of Barisma to do something to get the Barisma 60 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: the Ukrainian prosecutors off his back to stop that investigation. 61 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: It's explicitly spelled out in emails to Hunter, and sure enough, 62 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: the following year we discover that Joe Biden has used 63 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: his power and influence to force the firing of an 64 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: honest prosecutor in Ukraine. 65 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting because he goes back eleven 66 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: years and this covers the time where Donald Trump says 67 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: I think there might have been something fishy happening in Ukraine, 68 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: and he gets impeached over it. And now it's almost 69 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: like you can't investigate even whether that impeachment was legitimate 70 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: because he's wiped. Joe Biden has wiped an entire more 71 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: than a decade off the map of investigation, which is 72 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: pretty disgusting. 73 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: You're so right, you know, Joe Biden sort of got 74 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: away scott free. And a lot of the reason for 75 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: that is not because he's so wily and cunning, although 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: he is, but it's because he had the backing of 77 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: the intelligence community, whether it was the FBI, the CIA, 78 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: the State Department, the Department of Justice. All of them, 79 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: in one way or another conspired to protect the Bidens 80 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: from I guess the China money and the China grift, 81 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: but I think primarily it was Ukraine. They did not 82 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: want anyone looking too closely at Biden activities in Ukraine, 83 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: and sure enough, Donald Trump was impeached effectively for Joe 84 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: Biden's sins in Ukraine. 85 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Well, and Ukraine is not It's a notoriously corrupt country. 86 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: We hold them up now like little angels, but they 87 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: are a notoriously corrupt country. That's why you have this 88 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: faction of the United States that is saying, why are 89 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: we pouring massive amounts of money, billions of dollars into 90 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine when we don't actually know if we can trust 91 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the government there, and we don't know what our government 92 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: has done in the past with Ukraine. What do you 93 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: think this means going forward with this war with Russia 94 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: and Ukraine when we know that the Ukrainians have historically 95 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: been corrupt. I mean, the ambassador that went over there 96 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: was supposed to root out corruption, and now with these 97 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: billions of dollars going there, this guy that's running around 98 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: in his I mean pajamas practically as president of the country. 99 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: It just all seems very fishy. 100 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: Look it does, and you really can't extricate the Biden 101 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: corruption from the Ukraine corruption from the current war. And 102 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: remember the Biden family also received millions of dollars from 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Russia as well, from an oligarch there. Ukraine is the 104 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: most corrupt in Europe. It's been ruled by oligarchs who 105 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: sort of vie with each other, and various of them 106 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: curry favor with various administrations, you know, whether it be 107 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: the Clintons or the Bidens, at various times, and they 108 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: pit one another against each other, and so it's just 109 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: impossible to unravel who's who in the zoo. You can't 110 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: tell who the good guys are and who the bad 111 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: guys are. And so now we as Americans are enmeshed 112 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: in this disastrous war and it's up to Donald Trump 113 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: now to put an end to it. And you know, 114 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: with the Biden corruption and the millions of dollars that 115 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: they have received from foreign countries, it's so hard to 116 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: figure out how compromised Joe Biden is. You can see 117 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: just now with some of the pardons that he's been 118 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: doling out Chinese spies, for instance, what drives that, you know, 119 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: the sort of weakening of the Trump era sanctions and 120 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: policies against China by Joe Biden. Is that a genuinely 121 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: sort of foreign policy change or is it driven by 122 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: the fact that Hunter Biden and Jim Biden received millions 123 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: of dollars from China. It's very difficult to extract the 124 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: reality from the corruption, and that is very dangerous for 125 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: America because we're talking about matters of life and death, 126 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: war and peace. 127 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: Why haven't we heard more about the laptop? I mean 128 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: we obviously Joe Biden has been in office, but shouldn't 129 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: you have a Department of Defense and a Department of 130 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: Justice that are looking at foreign interference and taking that 131 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: seriously outside of who's in the White House. 132 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the entire way the laptop was treated 133 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: from the beginning has been really sinister. And in fact, 134 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: I was just talking to someone the other day who 135 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: was very high up in the FBI at that point, 136 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: since retired, but he said that the laptop when it 137 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: was brought in in December twenty nineteen, it was subpoened 138 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: from the owner of that computer repair shop in Delaware 139 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: where Hunter Biden had abandoned three water logged laptops that 140 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: was finally brought in in December of twenty nineteen by 141 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: the FBI, but it wasn't taken to the sort of 142 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: scientific and forensic department that all other devices are, for instance, 143 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: the Hillary Clinton laptop from her assistant that was recovered there. 144 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: And any time there's a device that's picked up in 145 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: an investigation, that's taken to this particular department of the 146 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: FBI to be unencrypted or whatever I examined, Hunter Biden's 147 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: laptop was put in a separate alleyway from the beginning. 148 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: It was never made available to the IRIS investigators who 149 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: were there in Delaware investigating Hunter Biden for all manner 150 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: of allegations and charges, and so it was always treated 151 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: in a secretive and different manner. And when we at 152 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: The New York Post first broke the stories from the laptop, 153 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: the first one was about Joe Biden meeting with one 154 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: of Hunter Biden's Ukrainian business partners from that corrupt company, Barisma. 155 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: We had Big Tech censor us and we only found 156 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: out later on that we were censored, not because as 157 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: we thought at the time, Twitter and Facebook were sort 158 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: of woke and didn't like Donald Trump and wanted Joe 159 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: Biden to win. What had happened was the FBI had 160 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: gone into those companies for weeks before the election and 161 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: had pre bunked our story. They had told those companies 162 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: to look out for a Russian hack and leak operation, 163 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: likely in October, likely involving Hunter Biden, and so on 164 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: October fourteen, twenty twenty, just three weeks before the twenty 165 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: twenty election, when Facebook and Twitter saw our story, they 166 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: immediately recognized it for what the FBI had been warning 167 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: them about, and so they censored us within a few hours. 168 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: And that was really a sort of an election interference 169 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: operation by the FBI. Similarly, with a few days later, 170 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: there was what I call the Dirty fifty one letter 171 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: written by the fifty one untel former intelligence officials falsely 172 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop and therefore our stories 173 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: were Russian disinformation or what they said was had all 174 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: the classic ear marks of a Russian information operation. That 175 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: was again like a CIA election interference operation, because that 176 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: letter was approved at the highest levels of the CIA, 177 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: went to the desk of Gina Haspell, then the CIA Director, 178 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: and she gave it the green light, and it was 179 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: instigated by the Biden campaign by Anthony Blincoln, now the 180 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: benighted Secretary of State, but then a senior advisor in 181 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: the Biden campaign. He phoned a former acting director of 182 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: the CIA, Mike Morrell, who was hoping to be named 183 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: as Biden's CIA director, and put the idea into his mind. 184 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: And we know that because Morrell testified under oath in 185 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: a congressional hearing behind closed doors, and Morell said he 186 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: didn't even consider doing that getting a letter written until 187 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: Blincoln called him. Blinken's denied it, but you know, we can, 188 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: I guess take his denials with the grain of salt. 189 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: And so the CIA was involved. There were five former 190 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: directors or acting directors who signed that letter, and also 191 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: many of those signatories most of them of the fifty 192 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: one were CIA, They were active contractors at the time. 193 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: All retained, I think, except John Brennan, who was stripped 194 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: of it by Donald Trump. Their security clearances. And I 195 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: think when Donald Trump comes back into office after January 196 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: twenty one of the first things he'll be doing is 197 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: stripping those fifty one of their security clearances. 198 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Well, and I think nobody is surprised that he pardoned 199 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: his son, but I think it such an incredibly dangerous 200 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: precedent because this is somebody who worked in government sold 201 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: access to government for years. We don't even know how 202 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: long it went on, because he had classified documents in 203 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: his house from when he was a senator. It's like, 204 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: how did you get classified documents out as a senator? 205 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: And yet he obviously did so the question is how 206 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: deep how far back does this go? I mean, obviously 207 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: he pardoned him for eleven years, but also the pardon 208 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: is not meant to be used to get your family 209 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: members off if they're bringing money into your house. I mean, 210 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: when we talked about the fact that they were covering 211 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden and election interference, well this is also 212 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: national security interference. I mean, this is a massive disaster 213 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: if your president of the United States is compromised, and 214 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: he's still compromised, you know, until he's not president anymore 215 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: and he goes to the nursing home or wherever he's 216 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: going to end up. Let's take a quick commercial break. 217 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The problem 218 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: I have with this is that the president has now 219 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: been set to pardon your family members for anything that 220 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: they've done. So what happens if another corrupt president gets 221 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: in and they want to make money off of being 222 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that you cannot rule out 223 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the fact that people who are hungry for power and 224 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: become president could potentially take this as a hey, I 225 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: can do this too. 226 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: He's so right. And you know, for Joe Biden, who 227 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: came into office promising that he was going to restore 228 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: norms and the adults were going to be back in charge, 229 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, with a slye digit, Donald Trump, he's broken 230 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: every norm possible and he sort of gets away with 231 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: it because he just lies and pretends that what he's 232 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: doing isn't untoward. And I guess the media protects him 233 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: for that, But you're quite right, it's just a sort 234 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: of a green light for corruption, and that was not 235 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: what the pardon powers were supposed to be for. And 236 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, there is so much going back in the 237 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: entirety of I guess Joe Biden's half century in office, 238 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: from his very earliest days, he was parlaying his unique 239 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: position in this unique state of Delaware, which is a 240 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: small state, sort of not very notable for anything except 241 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: that it is sort of the Liechtenstein of America because 242 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: it has these very opaque sort of corporate governance rules, 243 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: and therefore many American companies are headquartered there. And that 244 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: made Joe Biden a very influential character because all these 245 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: companies were donating to him and asking for favors, and 246 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: he had managed to. 247 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. 248 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: He came into the Senate very young, he was just 249 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: thirty years old, but he was very quickly identified as 250 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: somebody who was I guess useful to the powers that 251 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: be and elevated above his abilities to the most powerful 252 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: committee or committees actually both the Judiciary and Foreign Relations Committee. 253 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: He was either chairman or ranking member of Foreign Relations 254 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 2: for over a decade, and that put him in a 255 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: very powerful position. And you know, you can see going 256 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: back through his Senate career that he would get all 257 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: sorts of favors, whether it was inflated salary, positions for 258 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: family members like Hunter, or you know, his houses bought 259 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: at high price, houses sold to him at a low price. 260 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: He certainly lived way beyond the means of a senator, 261 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: and he used to boast, as he does sort of 262 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: confronting his malfeasance sort of in the face and daring 263 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: you to sort of question him. He would say that 264 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: he was renowned as the poorest man in Congress. He 265 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: lived in DuPont mansions, dressed spectacularly, as Kitty Kelly wrote 266 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: in this wonderful profile back in the eighties, addressed like 267 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: the Great Gatsby. All his family went to Ivy League schools, 268 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: whether it was kids or grandkids, all had magic carpet rides. 269 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: Thanks to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden was really deputized 270 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: as the bagman for the family, and he would with 271 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: these inflated salaries. And then later on when they internationalized 272 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: this influenced pedaling program and the money turned into millions 273 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: of dollars from foreign sort of eight characters, Hunter Biden 274 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: would be funding the family members. You can see a 275 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: little bit of that on the laptop, with Hunter paying 276 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: for the sort of maintenance and upkeep on Joe Biden's 277 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: estate in Delaware and paying for a cell phone. And 278 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: Hunter himself complained bitterly that he was having to fund 279 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: the entire family for years and pay half his salary 280 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: to Pop, which was Joe right. 281 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. There's a few things here that I 282 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: want to break down because you talk about the fact 283 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: that the family came into so much money, but we 284 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: started talking about Ukraine and the oligarchs that have so 285 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: much power now. When Joe Biden was a young man 286 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: in the Senate, he spoke adamantly against corporate interests playing 287 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: in elections and that this money shouldn't be coming into elections. 288 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: And it made it harder for a real good guy 289 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: like him to be winning elections because he was up 290 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: against all these executives that knew all of the money people. 291 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: But he figured out that game really quickly. And I 292 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: would argue that we have somewhat of an oligarch system 293 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: here where these folks that I mean, I see it 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: in Michigan, I see it in other states. The most 295 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: powerful people they feel like they get to move the 296 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: chess pieces on the board. And ultimately it's the American 297 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: people who are getting the screw job really because they're 298 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: not in that position of power. I think that's where 299 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has been different because he was like, fine, 300 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: you know you don't want to give me money, I'll 301 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: do it without you, and people are like, he can't, 302 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: we move the chess pieces. But the American people believed 303 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: in him, he got these small dollar donations. It was 304 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: actually the people coming around him. Is it possible, because 305 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: everybody says the future is jd vance and everything has changed, 306 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: But is it possible to break that system of billionaires 307 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: moving the chess pieces in the United States when that's 308 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: obviously how Joe Biden got to be president. 309 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting that Donald Trump did manage to stay 310 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: afloat with just the faith and small dollar donations of 311 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: everyday Americans. But now you know, there are Silicon Valley 312 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: billionaires like are flocking to him. They've seen that he 313 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: can change the world, and they also I guess you 314 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: listen to people like Mark Anderson were terrified about what 315 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: the Biden administration meant for freedom, whether it was freedom 316 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: of speech or freedom in the new cryptocurrency market. You know, 317 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: I guess there was a lot of projection from the 318 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: Biden Harris people when they accused Donald Trump of authoritarianism, 319 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: because that's in their DNA, And you know, the power 320 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: of the donors you saw really starkly when that sort 321 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: of coup against Joe Biden unfolds, because he was determined 322 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: to hang on after that disastrous debate with Donald Trump, 323 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: when he just collapsed on stafe and he was sort 324 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: of getting away with it for a couple of weeks, 325 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: and then you saw things change, and you know, you 326 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: heard whispers that the donors had decided to close their wallets, 327 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: and what came out much later, In fact, I remember 328 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: the article in the New York Times that surprised me. 329 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: Buried in the bottom of this September twenty four piece 330 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: was a little mentioned about how Kamala Harris's best friend, 331 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: or one of her best friends, Loreene Jobs, I think 332 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: she's the wealthiest woman in America, the widow of Steve Jobs. 333 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: She had funded some polling after the debate, some focus 334 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: group work, which she then circulated among the other donors, 335 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: and it showed that there was no way Joe Biden 336 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: could win the election, that keeping on with him was 337 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: a guarantee that Donald Trump would win, and that really 338 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: very influential. And when that story in the New York 339 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: Times came out, you saw Joe Biden suddenly change his 340 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: attitude towards Kamala Harris. It was as if he didn't 341 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: realize that she'd stabbed him in the back, and suddenly 342 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: he was big footing her. You know, he walked into 343 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: the press briefing room at the White House for the 344 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: first time in his entire presidency, right at the moment 345 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: that she was taking to the stage in Detroit, and 346 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: all the cameras were on her. All the cameras swung 347 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: away from her onto Joe Biden, who didn't have a 348 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: lot to say except that he and Kamala Harris were 349 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: joined at the hip, singing from the same songbook, she 350 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: owns all our policies. And then he did it again 351 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: a little while later with supporting the Florida Governor Ron Desanta, 352 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: saying what a great guy he was and how during 353 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: hurricane preparations that they were constantly in contact. This was 354 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: straight after Kamala Harris had picked a fight with Ron 355 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: Desanders and said how terrible he was. So that was 356 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: Joe Biden showing Kamala Harris that he knew what she'd 357 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: done and that he was never going to forgive her. 358 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: And sure enough, you saw what you've seen in recent weeks, 359 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: how cold, how frosty Jill Biden, the First Lady, has 360 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: been towards Kamala Harris, refuses to even look at her. 361 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: The other night at the Kennedy Center, Awards. Both Joe 362 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: and Jill refused to even look at Kamala Harris when 363 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: they were sitting next to her. 364 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say, there is never a 365 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: time when you, as a woman, know you're going to 366 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: be on camera and you just throw something on. I 367 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: think the fact that Jill Biden decided to go vote 368 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: in a red suit, yes, wagger very to Yes she 369 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: that was a middle finger to Kamala Harris. 370 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 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This is where I think 403 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: people have forgiven the pardon and all of that because 404 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he's he's elderly, this man is confused, 405 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing. But those were moments 406 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: where I agree with you. He is. He has done 407 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: this his whole life. This is I mean, it's like 408 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: even when you see the scene of the woman who 409 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: is in the nursing home and they say she's got 410 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and they play Swan Lake and you see her 411 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: dance to it. You know, this is his swan Lake. 412 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: It's muscle memory, right. 413 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: Politics is his game. He knows it inside and out. 414 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing. 415 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: He knew exactly what he was doing. And look, I 416 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: do think that obviously he's cognitively failing, but he has 417 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: been for a long time. I mean it was evident 418 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: back in Ira and you Haveshire in the beginning of 419 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 2: January of twenty twenty. You know, I saw it with 420 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: my own eyes, so did everyone else there. He needed 421 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: to be let on stage by Jill Biden. He needed 422 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: teleprompterures for basic stump speeches, so he wasn't in good 423 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: check then. But I've also talked to people foreigners who've 424 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: been in meetings with him during his presidency, and they 425 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: say that when they met him, for the most part, 426 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: he was lucid, totally in control, wasn't really looking at notes, 427 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: and the people around him, like Anthony Blincoln, were deferring 428 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: to him. He has gone downhill since, particularly with his 429 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: spatial sense, but I think he still has moments of 430 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: clarity and knows exactly what he's doing. 431 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been interesting to watch the Democrat Party kind 432 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: of employed around this, and to your point, hear, you 433 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: have some of the richest people in the country saying, Okay, 434 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: we need to move him out, we need to move 435 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: someone else in. And it was sort of funny to 436 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: watch the Democrats jocking around that you had Gavin Newsome 437 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: always waiting there, and then the minute he saw that 438 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: it was her, he disappeared, which I also find fascinating 439 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: because a lot of the others stayed around and they 440 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: did the bus tour and they were like, oh, we 441 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: are the loyal ones. I think that was a show 442 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: to those donors. I think they are not as seasoned 443 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: as a Joe Biden, and so they didn't know what 444 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: to do. They figure, Okay, if it's either way, if 445 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: it's Kamala, we're going to still be out there. But 446 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: if it's Donald Trump, we need to be ready in 447 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: four years. And they thought that was the best move. 448 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: I think they totally failed. I think it's been a 449 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: very interesting political cycle. What do you think. I'll just 450 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this and then I'll end on this. 451 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: Tell me what you think the future brings for a 452 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: Democrat Party that had all of the show and I've 453 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: talked about this before, all of the show of Beyonce 454 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: and Oprah and all of this, and George Clooney coming 455 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: out and speaking about, you know, we got to dump 456 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: the guy, we got to get someone new, and all 457 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: of this production value that came out of it. You 458 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: had these governors who went on the bus tour that 459 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: did these corny videos and I that for Donald Trump, 460 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: he went out and he was himself. I think this 461 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: was a big difference between Donald Trump and the Democrat Party. 462 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: He went on TikTok, and that's a big issue right now. 463 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: He went on all of these different social media platforms 464 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: as Donald Trump. He went on all these podcasts as 465 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But the Democrats came out and because I 466 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: think they're the party of Hollywood, they came out and 467 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: they spoofed it. They made themselves someone else. They tried 468 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: to trick people into thinking they were cool and it 469 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they flatlined. And now they have to come 470 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: back from that. 471 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: What is the next. 472 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: Iteration of the Democrat Party? How do they recreate themselves 473 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: from this disaster? 474 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're so right. They are so fake. 475 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: Everything about Kamala Harris and her campaign was fake. And 476 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, by contrast, is the opposite. What you see 477 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: is what you get with him. He's always wearing the 478 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: same red tie, the same suit. He you know, he 479 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: does a little Trump dance. He's he's just Donald Trump. 480 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: And whatever environment he's in, people can see. They know 481 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: now who he is. And actually, although the Democrats are 482 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: constantly saying he's a liar and the Washington Post in 483 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: New York Times fact check him and they take his 484 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: humor or his sort of exaggerations and call them lies. Really, 485 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump doesn't have a filter, and sometimes 486 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: that is, you know, to his detriment, because he speaks 487 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 2: his mind. He doesn't seem able to keep his thoughts 488 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: to himself, and as a politician, that's kind of a 489 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: high wire act. But fredicking, particularly in the face of 490 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: all the fakery that we got from particularly the Kamala 491 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: Harris campaign and Joe Biden. Joe Biden's entire presidency was fake. 492 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: He was the man who wasn't there. And I think 493 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: for the future, John Fetterman's seen it. He's now he's 494 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: sort of the authentic from that in character and he's 495 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: going along with common sense what he calls common sense, 496 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: which is really the basic, basic basis of MAGA policies. 497 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: And the donors were really burned. You know, two and 498 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: a half billion dollars was wasted in one hundred and 499 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: eight days by the Harris campaign. And you know, you hear. 500 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of the Democrat podcasts and 501 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of burning anger there books about it. 502 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, the donors are not going to pay another penny. 503 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: They want to know where that money went. They want 504 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: an audit. You know, you hear the Oprah got millions 505 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: of dollars. That money was just squandered beyond say there's 506 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: some rumor she got ten million dollars for that appearance 507 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: and she didn't even sing. I don't know if that's true. 508 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: You have to waste that kind of money to go 509 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: through two and a half billion dollars that's with the 510 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: campaign and a pack and they came out I think 511 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: one hundred million or ten million, whatever it was. They 512 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: were in debt in the end. Quite disgusting. And so 513 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, Donald Trump won spending a fraction of that money. 514 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, people will look at sort 515 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: of fiscal rectitude and think, well, how can you trust 516 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: a candidate who can't even manage their own campaign in 517 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: a prudent manner. So I think that the Democrats will 518 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: have to go I mean, if they want to be 519 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: at all relevant in the next decade, they're going to 520 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: have to go back to basics. But at the moment, 521 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: none of them, really, apart from Fetterman, show any signs 522 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: of doing that. There's no remorse. They just seem to 523 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: be doubling down, saying, oh, we weren't woke enough. 524 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: No right, one hundred percent. I mean, we see it 525 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: here in Michigan, We've it across the country. It's funny 526 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: that you bring up Fetterman, because that's what I keep 527 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: hearing like Fetterman's thinking of running for president, and I think, well, 528 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: this is such a change from you know, when he 529 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: ran against Oz, we were like, I mean, he was 530 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: coming back from being very ill. His that stroke really 531 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: harmed him. And now he's almost like, you know, he's 532 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: the conservative side of the Democrats, and he was a 533 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: super progressive. It's just like, how bizarre that they would think. 534 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: And I when I heard that, I honestly thought that's 535 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: nuts until you just pointed out that he actually is 536 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: just like whatever, this is who I am, take it 537 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: or leave it. And that seems to resonate with the 538 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: American people. So I don't Maybe there's a chance for 539 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: a John Fetterman, and that would make a very interesting race. 540 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: Well certainly, I think he'd have a bit of chance 541 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: than Kamala Harris, who's moving a run for twenty twenty eighth. 542 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. 543 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: I hope I want it. 544 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 2: Well, it wouldn't it be great now the Harris Banst debate, 545 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: that would be you know, terrific. But I don't think 546 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is going to put up with that. 547 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that the Gretchen Whitmer's and the Gavin 548 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: Newsom's and the Joshapiros, who are sort of the obvious 549 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 2: candidates at the moment anyway for twenty eight are going 550 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: to put up with being re consigned to the back 551 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: row again. 552 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: No, I think they're going to send them back to 553 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: wash their greens in the bathtub. That was another moment 554 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: where people were like, what I know, no one does that. 555 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: That's a lie. You didn't do that. It's so funny, 556 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: but it's been great to point it all out, and 557 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: you have such a you have such an insight on 558 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: this stuff, Miranda Devine, Thank you so much for coming 559 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: on today. 560 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 2: Thanks so much to you, Dick, and thank you all. 561 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: For joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this 562 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: episode and others, go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the 563 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts 564 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: and join us next time. Have a blast day.