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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast, David Penn, glad

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Speaker 3: to be your host again this Thursday evening, the seventeenth

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Speaker 3: of July, for episode number two twenty one. We have

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Speaker 3: a very interesting guest today joining us, mister Richard Barriss,

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Speaker 3: the People's pundit. Richard, welcome, Welcome here.

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Speaker 3: advance the ideas that we care about. And since Richard

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Speaker 4: So again, thanks for having me, and also thanks for

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Speaker 4: the states surrounding you, whether it's Wisconsin, Michigan, did I

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Speaker 4: know it worked with a group that put a lot

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Speaker 4: of effort into this, and even Musk and others. They had,

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Speaker 4: of course efforts in Pennsylvania, you had turning Point very

438
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Speaker 4: much focused on Arizona, and some in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of voters who.

440
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Speaker 4: Went through the same transition that you just described to listeners.

441
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Speaker 4: Yet they maybe weren't political in nature or certainly didn't

442
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Speaker 4: have put it family and they were just basically orphaned

443
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: from the process. Maybe when they were growing up they

444
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: thought my family voted Democrat, and then we call it

445
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: ancestral voting history. Maybe they thought my family voted Democrat,

446
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: but I don't think they voted for this kind of

447
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 4: a democratic party, and I'm basically just going to be

448
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 4: disconnected from the political process. There are a lot more

449
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Speaker 4: people in who that describes than most political analysts understand,

450
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Speaker 4: and certainly most political campaigns understand.

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Speaker 2: So for a long time it's not this isn't new.

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Speaker 4: It just seemed that in twenty four it started to

453
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Speaker 4: actually sink in to some people the name of the

454
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Speaker 4: game is to change the electorate and not just try

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Speaker 4: to persuade it. Because what those academics that you sat

456
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Speaker 4: in the room with fifty years ago, what they tried

457
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Speaker 4: to do, wasn't convinced the voters of Minnesota at that

458
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Speaker 4: time that they were right. They convinced them. They convinced

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Speaker 4: each other that we can make a plan to change

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Speaker 4: who it is that will eventually be voting. And I'm

461
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 4: saying there's actually a way for Republicans to do that,

462
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Speaker 4: and it's not going to take fifty years of indoctrination.

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Speaker 3: There, Richard, can I just interrupt you just because now

464
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Speaker 3: we are at the coffee shop and I have a question.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure you know if I'm sure you know

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Speaker 3: who Dan Schultz is and the precinct strategy. And when

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Speaker 3: I got involved in politics here in Minnesota, what I

468
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: believe was my role as a party officer was to

469
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Speaker 3: build out the party infrastructure down to the precinct level

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Speaker 3: so we could get out the vote and so that

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Speaker 3: we could form a community of Republicans. And of course

472
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Speaker 3: my chair at the time shut that down, and I said,

473
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Speaker 3: why would you do that? And his answer was, we

474
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: don't need any more Republicans, We just need more work

475
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Speaker 3: from the Republicans we already have. And I was so naive.

476
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Speaker 3: I did not recognize that that was a power consolidation,

477
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: you know, protect process. And now I understand it, but

478
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: I didn't at the time. And what I'm trying to

479
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: do here in Minnesota, and we're getting better at it.

480
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Speaker 3: When I went into the process, nobody knew each other.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the activists throughout the state. We didn't

482
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Speaker 3: even know each other's names because the party kept us

483
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Speaker 3: separated into the little cantons called uh Senate districts. And

484
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: we broke that down. I mean, the activists, this kind

485
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Speaker 3: of media that I'm doing, and of course what you're

486
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Speaker 3: doing at a national level, and we're national, but we're

487
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Speaker 3: really focused on Minnesota. Sorry, my audience, if you're in Tennessee,

488
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: we're just a model for you. I mean, you got

489
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Speaker 3: to have a master model of somebody that's willing to

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Speaker 3: go anywhere, any place, anytime to talk to anybody about anything.

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Speaker 3: That's who you're talking to, Richard. That's what I do. So,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just at that point that I'm I've

493
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Speaker 3: just lost it. I mean, I've lost all sense of normalcy.

494
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Speaker 3: I've given over to this process that you're starting to

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Speaker 3: allude to it. And I'm going to ask you what

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Speaker 3: do you mean, because I'm starting that out by saying

497
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Speaker 3: what I'm doing is trying to build out the Republican

498
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Speaker 3: Party at the precinct level that the party itself will

499
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Speaker 3: not do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's unfortunate that that is the case.

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Speaker 4: But the story again that you just you just told

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Speaker 4: is one I've heard in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. It's

504
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Speaker 4: one I've heard in eastern North Carolina. It's one I've

505
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: heard in south southeastern Pennsylvania and northeastern Pennsylvania. It was

506
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Speaker 4: the first time, I think, and I know there are others,

507
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Speaker 4: and there were names, of course attached to the idea

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Speaker 4: of the precinct strategy.

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Speaker 2: After twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people woke up and realized after years

511
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Speaker 4: of people like me trying to tell them, it really

512
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Speaker 4: did fall on deaf fears that a lot of this

513
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Speaker 4: local I mean, we all focus on the national but

514
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Speaker 4: the local stuff is where a lot of levers of government,

515
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: you know, are pulled. And if you're not there, you

516
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: can't count a vote. Honestly, you can't get a vote out. Honestly,

517
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: you can't register to vote efficiently. So if you don't

518
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Speaker 4: have enough people at the local level, and you don't

519
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: have enough people in the places where they need to be,

520
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: you could be in a red county and I guarantee

521
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Speaker 4: you there's a blue clerk counting your votes because they're

522
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Speaker 4: not out there doing that work. And it was unfortunate

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Speaker 4: that the people who were there, you know, decided when

524
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Speaker 4: there was this influx of people for the precinc strategy,

525
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Speaker 4: they decided not to welcome them with open arms, but

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Speaker 4: instead with a guarded mentality that they're coming for what's mine.

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Speaker 4: And that is very unfortunate. But everybody who tried to

528
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Speaker 4: get involved in the precingc strategy ran into that, and

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Speaker 4: it it certainly stymied any effort that would have contributed to,

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Speaker 4: you know, to what the goal of that was. And

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Speaker 4: so what we did in twenty four was in a

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Speaker 4: tempt to just get around them and get around all

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Speaker 4: of this. And we did a lot of research on

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Speaker 4: how to bring out or change these orphan voters.

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Speaker 2: And it's something I could get into.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure we have enough time, but what we

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: found is that and they shouldn't have surprised anybody. These

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00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: voters are very decentralized in their thinking. They actually don't

539
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Speaker 4: react well to outsiders. So the idea of a party

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: knocking on doors or trying to it actually didn't work

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Speaker 4: that well for them. The best way was for personal family,

542
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: personal friends, co workers, like minded people, even gamer groups.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are things we used. You know, people

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Speaker 4: have gaming communities. It's unbelievable. But you would be surprised

545
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Speaker 4: how many economic you know, nationalists are populists however you

546
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: want to characterize them, that leaned to the right. You

547
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: would be surprised how many were sitting on very well

548
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Speaker 4: known video games and on discords. And basically we use

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: those communities and we use those relationships to convince them

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Speaker 4: that their votes mattered.

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Speaker 2: And that was the.

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Speaker 4: Hardest part about this effort, and made the AP made

553
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: fun of us, and CNN made fun of us, and

554
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: they joked and they said, look at what some of

555
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: these you know, Trump supporting groups are trying to do

556
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Speaker 4: in states like Michigan.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Nobody ever gets out these voters hunters Minnesota. I know

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Speaker 4: that you've probably heard of people like Scott Presler or

560
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Speaker 4: and others. I think that often some of these influencer

561
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: types they do embellish some of the numbers. But it's

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Speaker 4: another excellent point, another excellent community. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: Don Junior understands this. He did understand it in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: He just didn't get any support for it unfortunately years ago.

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Speaker 4: But Hunters are another community. They certainly lean toward our views.

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Speaker 4: It's just that they are, you know, going on with

567
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Speaker 4: their lives. The hardest thing is to convince them that

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Speaker 4: their vote still matters, still counts. And I mean, I

569
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Speaker 4: know this is kind of opening the door to so

570
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: much other conversation, but we found that you had to

571
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Speaker 4: motivate those low propensity and even orphaned voters, no propensity

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Speaker 4: voters in order to change the makeup of the state,

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Speaker 4: and that's what that's Any part of a plan to

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Speaker 4: win Minnesota, I really truly believe would have to include

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Speaker 4: something like that, because you know, you have the Twin

576
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: Cities behemoth that you have to contend with. And there's

577
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: another side, of course to that, because minimizing the vote

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Speaker 4: share in those areas, you know that, that's a whole

579
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Speaker 4: other conversation. I think the way you do that is

580
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Speaker 4: just to be honest with people and be honest with voters.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'll digress, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Let me just go back over a couple of things,

583
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Speaker 3: but let me start with the last one first. Then

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Speaker 3: I want to go back to the r n C

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Speaker 3: relative to party politics. So don't let me forget to you.

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Speaker 3: By the way, good morning Tanner. Good morning Tanner's Tanner's

587
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: part of our show here, Richard. He's a he's a

588
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: great person to have on. He's young. We've got him

589
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: going in politics, and he's very intelligent and he comments

590
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: and if you have a comment or a question, break

591
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: right in, young man. You know, I wanted to just say, relative,

592
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 3: you said something that's so critical to me personally, because

593
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: I talked about my parents, my father My father was

594
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: deeply involved in the civil rights movement in the nineteen sixties,

595
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Speaker 3: and he actually participated in starting a black studies department

596
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Speaker 3: at the University of Minnesota, So unlike a lot of

597
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: the suburban Republicans, and I was also heavily involved in

598
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: athletics growing up. So I've spent a lot of time,

599
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: for lack of a better way of saying it, in

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Speaker 3: the black community. I'm not afraid of black people. Like,

601
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Speaker 3: for example, in the last cycle in twenty four I

602
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Speaker 3: wanted to go door knock in Minneapolis, right in the

603
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Speaker 3: inner certy. I can only get four people, me and

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00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: three other people to go into lit drop. We weren't

605
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: even door knock and we're just lip dropping. And Republicans

606
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: would say to me, Oh, I'm not going there. Why not,

607
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: I'm a front. It's not safe. What do you mean

608
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: it's not safe. It's twelve o'clock in the afternoon. No,

609
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it. So what I'm saying to you, Richard,

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Speaker 3: is that the Republican Party of Minnesota, going back thirty

611
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Speaker 3: forty years, has absolutely abandoned millions of our fellow citizens

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Speaker 3: to the depravity of a growing communism in the core

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Speaker 3: cities and I'm not willing to accept that, and that

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Speaker 3: really underscores my support for Royce White because you know,

615
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: he swears when he pot you know, when he's in

616
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 3: a public setting, he doesn't swear. He's very affable and likable.

617
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Speaker 3: If he's in front of two hundred people, who's that guy?

618
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: But people don't understand that when he's podcasting or when

619
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Speaker 3: you're podcasting, there is an entertainment element to this, and

620
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Speaker 3: the audience that he's seeking is not a seventy five

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Speaker 3: year old person living in a wealthy suburb with a

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Speaker 3: three million dollar house paid for forty million dollars in

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Speaker 3: their four oh one k That's not his audience and

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Speaker 3: that's not that person's going to vote Republican mostly might.

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00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a whole other thing how those people

626
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Speaker 3: are voting. But there's nobody really going into the inner

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Speaker 3: city with Royce is doing. He's coaching basketball multiple teams,

628
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: meeting parents, taking young kids. You're talking about alternative ways

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Speaker 3: to convert, or to motivate, or to energize low propensity voters,

630
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Speaker 3: no propensity voters, or long term ancestral leftist voters. He's

631
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Speaker 3: actually and the party doesn't even recognize what he's doing.

632
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: They don't recognize that he's building a political constituency using

633
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Speaker 3: the culture. He's part of that culture, you know, and

634
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: he's criticized for that. But I'm just telling you that

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: that outreach Free People Radio is deeply involved in trying

636
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: to reach what I think is the low hanging fruit,

637
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: which is the obvious constituencies that are forming of people

638
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: who understand that the Democrat promise was a scam. And

639
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: we're speaking to those people. So that's a big part

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00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: of what we're trying to do here, and we need

641
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Speaker 3: help with that to understand what issues I mean. I mean,

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00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Royce probably wouldn't say that, but I'm saying myself because

643
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Speaker 3: I'm not running for office, I'm an advisor and I'm

644
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: trying to do the work. What are the unifying issues

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Speaker 3: that we can create new constituency constituencies with? And before

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Speaker 3: you answer that, I also want to say that the

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Speaker 3: precinct strategy the point of it for me. You know,

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Speaker 3: if we can't win in Minnesota for a certain period

649
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Speaker 3: of time, what we want to do is change our

650
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: party so we can elect three American Nationalists r NC members,

651
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: because right now, you know, we sometimes send people the

652
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Speaker 3: RNC that are not really down with the quote unquote

653
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Speaker 3: Trump agenda, which it's not even the Trump agenda, it's Republicanism.

654
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Speaker 3: So you know, we want to have a party. We

655
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: want to remove the people that are blocking the build

656
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Speaker 3: out of the party, and they're blocking it very systematically.

657
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Speaker 3: So that's why I believe we need a huge influx

658
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Speaker 3: of people into the party. And that's why I'm urging

659
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Speaker 3: people to go to Caucus. We're still a caucas state

660
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: here in twenty twenty six and join the party and

661
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: I will meet you and I'll help you understand how

662
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: party politics in party procedure works so that we can organize.

663
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: You know, not that we're against anybody, We're for citizen participation.

664
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Speaker 3: And in this sense, I'm like you, I have a perspective.

665
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Speaker 3: I know who I am politically, but when I'm working

666
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: to bring people in the Republican Party of Minnesota, I'm

667
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: not vetting them out. If you want to come into

668
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Speaker 3: party politics, come on in, get a vote, get a

669
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Speaker 3: seat at the table. Let the citizens voted out. But

670
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Speaker 3: please don't leave half of the billets empty, because then

671
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: it's not really a political process. It's an insider game,

672
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Speaker 3: So we're trying to change that party politics. But going

673
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Speaker 3: back to those unifying issues, you as a polster could

674
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: give me so much help to know what I should

675
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Speaker 3: be focused on.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because going into for instance, you have a

677
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: neighboring state that obviously Michigan, you know of one.

678
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Speaker 2: Of your great lake states, and.

679
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Speaker 4: In Wayne County alone, which I'm listening because I was

680
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: listening to storying and I was inside chuckling or trying

681
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: not to chuckle out loud, because I've seen this a

682
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: lot as well, where newcomers to the party or even

683
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: I mean they're not sometimes aren't so new anymore, which

684
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Speaker 4: is why you'd be surprised there hasn't been so much

685
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Speaker 4: more progress made in this area. But you know, you're

686
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Speaker 4: willing to go in any neighborhood and you're willing to

687
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Speaker 4: knock on any door. And look at Wayne County for instance,

688
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Speaker 4: I mean, had Mike Rogers at the Senate level done

689
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Speaker 4: as well as the presidential candidate in Wayne County, we

690
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Speaker 4: may have been looking at another Republican seat in the

691
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Speaker 4: US Senate.

692
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Speaker 2: But you know, he very much ran a.

693
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Speaker 4: Very typical established Republican establishment campaign.

694
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Speaker 2: He did not seek out those votes.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump did much better with black voters than he

696
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Speaker 4: did Mike Rodgers did well with some other non white groups,

697
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Speaker 4: but he didn't do as well. He ran about ten

698
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Speaker 4: points seven points with Hispanics, ten points with black voters.

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Speaker 4: So you know that that could be in a very

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Speaker 4: close election, that could make the winner the loss, and

701
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Speaker 4: in the case of Mike Rogers, it did.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, if you would have.

703
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Speaker 4: Gone to those neighborhoods and knocked on those doors, I

704
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Speaker 4: think a lot of Republicans who have been part of

705
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: the party for a while might be surprised to find

706
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: out that a lot of the issues that motivate the

707
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: new Right, and especially the younger right, of the same

708
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Speaker 4: issues that motivate people in inner city American in urban America.

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Speaker 4: And I want to say this before we actually get

710
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Speaker 4: into specific issues, I wanted to just briefly mention that

711
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Speaker 4: I have been arguing, for whatever you want to call it,

712
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 4: bridging the urban rural divide through these issues for years,

713
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: because for years, decades now, it's been American politics and

714
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 4: electoral politics has been a fight between you have your

715
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: rural coalitions and you have your urban coalitions, and then

716
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: they're fighting over the suburbs to see who can win

717
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: enough to carry the day, and it leaves the suburb

718
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Speaker 4: as the most important voting bloc basically because you figure

719
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: the rurals are going to vote how they're going to vote,

720
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Speaker 4: the urban voters are going to vote how they're going

721
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Speaker 4: to vote. So everybody focuses on the suburbs. And there's

722
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Speaker 4: a couple of problems with that. First and foremost, that

723
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Speaker 4: the suburbs actually have unique issues or unique perspective that allows,

724
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Speaker 4: like when you're focusing and you're tailoring your message to them,

725
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: you can leave out large numbers of people in urban

726
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: and rural America. So it's it's not healthy for our

727
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: politics to do this. And then secondly, if we did

728
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Speaker 4: begin to narrow the gap between urban and rural America,

729
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: it just makes for a more unifying society, Right, We're

730
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Speaker 4: not going to be so polarized and bulcanized. So it's

731
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: not only good, it's not only a good political strategy.

732
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Speaker 4: It's good politics in the sense that it will lead

733
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Speaker 4: to a more stable society. That being all said, instead

734
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Speaker 4: of finding the things that we differ on or entertaining

735
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Speaker 4: this system that does separate us. When you go in

736
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Speaker 4: you nick look on those doors an urban, urban Black America,

737
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Speaker 4: for instance, you're going to find a lot of mothers

738
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Speaker 4: and a lot of a lot of mothers who are

739
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 4: upset that maybe, you know, illegal immigration is putting so

740
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Speaker 4: much burden on the social system, the social welfare, education, healthcare,

741
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Speaker 4: it's putting so much burden on them that they're the

742
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: ones who suffer a great deal because of it. There

743
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Speaker 4: were a lot of stories in New York City and

744
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Speaker 4: other urban areas leading up to the last year's election

745
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: where you know, when these people came in and the

746
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: government didn't know where to put them, they get dumped

747
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Speaker 4: into the interior, which is unfortunate in and of itself,

748
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Speaker 4: but a lot of the people who suffered from that

749
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Speaker 4: were minority.

750
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Speaker 2: School districts who used their schools.

751
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Speaker 4: To house these people, and it was very disrupting to

752
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: the families in those neighborhoods. You'll find men who wished

753
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Speaker 4: it was just more economic activity.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have this very bleak and dark picture.

755
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

756
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is not a huge deal everywhere, but

757
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Speaker 4: it is in certain parts of the Republican Party where

758
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: they have a very.

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Speaker 2: You know, dark view.

760
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Speaker 4: They don't know other communities very well because they have

761
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: excluded them from their political process for so long, and

762
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: they have this very bleak view, you know, and they think,

763
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Speaker 4: you know that if you go to inner city, all

764
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Speaker 4: you're going to find are people who want to be

765
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Speaker 4: on welfare, and you know, these just horrible stereotypes that

766
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: aren't true.

767
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Speaker 2: And if you are somebody like a.

768
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: Trump, Trump benefited because he's got universal name recognition.

769
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Speaker 2: So his message is his message. Buddy did lead the way?

770
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Speaker 2: What did he do?

771
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Speaker 4: He went into the Lions then and he spoke with

772
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Speaker 4: the Association of Black Journalists. He knew it was going

773
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: to be an adversarial crowd, but he did it anyway.

774
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Speaker 4: Then he was trying to make a point. I'm not

775
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Speaker 4: saying you're going to be welcomed with open arms in

776
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: these communities, but i am saying that you're going to

777
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: find a lot of kinship with them on these certain issues.

778
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Speaker 4: And that's why economic nationalism really is a secret. It

779
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: is between immigration, trade, putting American job, American industry, and

780
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Speaker 4: American jobs first. That is an eighty twenty issue everywhere

781
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Speaker 4: in this country, right.

782
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Speaker 2: I mean, we have pulled the most hardcore liberals.

783
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Speaker 4: And even they will tell you that, you know, American

784
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: trade policy, US trade policy should not be designed to

785
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Speaker 4: benefit the welfare of another nation over American employees.

786
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Speaker 3: Well, so let me just interrupt for a seconds, say,

787
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Speaker 3: and you know this, well, when I was just going

788
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: to say as a global as a reformed globalist, when

789
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: I was a full throated globalist, the criticism of what

790
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: I was doing really was led by Chuck Schumer. It

791
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: was led by the Democrats, and they were the ones

792
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: that were all in on globalism. They were just using it.

793
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: As I mean, now that I look back on it,

794
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: I realized how deeply duplicitous these people are. Very yes,

795
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: because they're you know, and there was an alliance between

796
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: this kind of what did you call establishment, a traditional

797
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: republican campaign, because empire is about the US dollar, which

798
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: is about trade and so and you know, you get

799
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Speaker 3: into my cohort, my age cohort, my age court has

800
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 3: never seen intervention going back to Vietnam that we didn't say, well,

801
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: that's not true. Vietnam. We were in the streets. We're

802
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: in the streets. And I was looking at your recent

803
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: comments about the young cohort of Trump's supporters that have

804
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: completely flipped since the intervention in Iran, which I want

805
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: to get to. I want to transition into some really

806
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: core elements so the audience understands and try to find

807
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: a way out of this. But we were anti war.

808
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: That was the coalition that worked at that time. But

809
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: after that, and I personally, in my own poetic musings,

810
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: think that the four assassinations in the sixties, which I

811
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: call the four martyrs Kennedy, Malcolm Max Martin, Luther k Robert,

812
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: I think those four assassinations took my age cohort and

813
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: scared us like sheep, Like if you have an opinion

814
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: and you're standing up against power, you're going to And

815
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: then Nixon financialized their economy and it was glorious to

816
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: get rich, so everybody because we were a very idealistic

817
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: generation when we were on you know, when we were

818
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: at square one, nobody we were hippies, man, This was

819
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: a generation of people that wanted intense change, and we

820
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: were anti war. Now I'm still I've always been anti war,

821
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: but we were anti war. And then after Nixon, man

822
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: did my group. Everybody was just trying to make money.

823
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 3: Nobody thought about their fellow citizens. It was all about me. Me, me, me, me,

824
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: very self serving group, my cohort, and we've never seen

825
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: an intervention we didn't want to get involved in. So

826
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Speaker 3: now we roll into this Israel thing, and I'm just

827
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Speaker 3: going to talk about Minnesota. We've got traditional Republicans, establishment

828
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: Republican empires supporting Republicans that see America as the Hedgemond,

829
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: that are bought into the idea of America as the

830
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: world's policeman and that our version of political economy is

831
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: the end of history. For lack of a better way

832
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: of saying it, We've got Christians united for Israel, Evangelicals

833
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: in this state deeply committed to Israel, deeply. So that's

834
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: a coalition because that establishment Republican base, there's now a

835
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: profile of a national candidate that they're looking for. In fact,

836
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: I've heard it called the Seal brand where they're really

837
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 3: looking at and the Democrats are looking for the same thing.

838
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Ex Military you know, that are going to promote a

839
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: certain kind of Americana and they're allied with evangelicals. I mean,

840
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: that is really not This is the fight in the

841
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: Republican Party here in Minnesota and probably in every state

842
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: in the name would agree with that statement.

843
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would.

844
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Speaker 4: They're trying to find one for Senator Tom Tillis's seat

845
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: in North Carolina. It will be not seeking reelection. And

846
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 4: there are some good people who could step up and

847
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: do that, and they're looking for that type as well.

848
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 4: One of them is Green Beret. And I'll just say this,

849
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 4: there are things that the Democratic Party can get away

850
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: with that the Republican Party cannot. Because these demographics that

851
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: we're talking about, you know, going out to get and

852
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: changing the electorate to bring them over, you know, make

853
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: and turn them into core voting groups. They are ancestral

854
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: Democratic voting groups. It is so, so what does that mean?

855
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: They're used to there, They and their families are used

856
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 4: to voting Democrat.

857
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Speaker 2: It is not.

858
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Speaker 4: It's not hard for a Democrat to do something that's uncharacteristic,

859
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Speaker 4: or the Democratic candidate to be something a little bit

860
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: uncharacteristic of what they're used to, but still get their votes.

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Speaker 4: When you're trying to change somebody's political afflas, you don't

862
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Speaker 4: have that luxury. So I'll just say this, and I'm

863
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Speaker 4: not going to equivocate at all, The Seal brand is

864
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Speaker 4: a loser. It's a it's it's a loser, because the

865
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Speaker 4: very voters that you're trying to bring over are voters

866
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Speaker 4: who are very much anti war, like you are, like

867
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Speaker 4: you just said you are, and by the way, myself

868
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Speaker 4: I am personally and I am a veteran.

869
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Speaker 2: It's just the older I.

870
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Speaker 4: Get, the less I tolerate or like war, because you know,

871
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 4: the older we get, we also live through the ret

872
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: the the outcomes of these complicts and the facts or this,

873
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 4: you know, what we're presented to us as facts always

874
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: either change or evaporate later. So you just learn as

875
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 4: you get older and wiser that you really just can't

876
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: take any of their word for anything.

877
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: But as far as it as a policy.

878
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: When you're going into these areas, and let's go back

879
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: to the urban, the urban voter for a second, Democrats

880
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 4: can do what they want because they are the devil.

881
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 4: They know already. You're the devil they don't know, and

882
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 4: you have to get them on board. You have to

883
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 4: be something better than the devil they know. So they

884
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: don't like intervention when you bomb a on and Upholster

885
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: goes into the field and says, did you support bombing

886
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: Iran to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon?

887
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: Of course, they're going to tell the Polster. Yes, yeah, sure.

888
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 4: Do they, as a matter of policy, think that the

889
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: United States should be the arbiter of who does and

890
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: who does not get to defend themselves or have nuclear

891
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: weapons around the world. What role do they believe the

892
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: US has in the Middle East and other areas of

893
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: the world is a totally different story. Americans have no

894
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: more appetite for conflict. They don't want even limited conflicts

895
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 4: because they worry about escalation. These groups couldn't care less

896
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Speaker 4: what Israel's problem is or what their latest threat is

897
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: to their own existence. They don't care. They're worried about

898
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: the threat to their existence.

899
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Speaker 3: Richard, give me one second, Tanner, I want you to

900
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: timestamp this where we started talking about this issue about

901
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: the Seal brand. I want you to clip it. I'm

902
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: going to send it to all the party elders that

903
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: I strive with here in Minnesota, because that's a very

904
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: coming from you, as a noted poster of high integrity.

905
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: This is a trap that we're I think this is

906
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: a trap that we're falling to in the party, which

907
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: and I looked at your polling and your commentary on

908
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: these younger voters that are the most recent converts. Two.

909
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to call it trump is. You know,

910
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm not big on labels. They just didn't want to

911
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 3: vote Democrat. They came into the coalition to elect Donald Trump.

912
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what's in their heads. I mean, in total,

913
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: it is fair.

914
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 4: I think it is fair to call them maga. I

915
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 4: think Maga got a bad name in the media, but

916
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: it does because there's Maga and there's even Mahai. And

917
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: I was stunned by how powerful that make America Healthy

918
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 4: Again message really was until we studied it before the election,

919
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 4: but it was extremely powerful, especially with young people. But

920
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: young people in the you know, the eighteen to twenty

921
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: nine demographic are We.

922
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Speaker 2: Thought we were skeptics.

923
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: These kids grew up And I don't mean to put

924
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: anybody down. I'm just getting older now, folks, So I

925
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: don't mean kids with kids. But you know, they they

926
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: grew up with their parents being lied to about COVID.

927
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: They grew up with maybe.

928
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: Them they themselves were lied to about COVID, the the

929
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 4: aftermath of recessions and wars, and just one foolish policy

930
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 4: after another. They basically have ptsday from what's been done

931
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: to them. It's so it's really remarkable that they anybody

932
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: was surprised that they would like.

933
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: Somebody like Donald Trump.

934
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Speaker 4: Now, Donald Trump ran way ahead of Republicans all around

935
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 4: the country among this age group, and coming out of

936
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Speaker 4: twenty four every Republican party, whether it was Minnesota or Ohio,

937
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: even though even though they think that it's a red state. Now,

938
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 4: I would argue, if the Republican Party goes back to

939
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: being the pre Trump Republican Party, they'll lose states like Ohio. Again,

940
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: it's not that red. It's a type of red, a

941
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: very certain type of red, a populis red, an economic

942
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 4: nationalist red. It's not the truth, it's not the it's

943
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: not Bush red. I mean, I don't know how to

944
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: lack of a better phrase. And Bush certainly does serve

945
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: as a brand of Republicanism that fits that Seal type

946
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: right that that Dan Crenshaw kind of candidate Tom Cotton

947
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: kind of Canada. Tom is a very nice guy, but

948
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 4: he would not win a national election.

949
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: There's a mold there that they're.

950
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: Looking for that couldn't be more opposite of what the

951
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 4: Republican Party really needs going forward. And just to say

952
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: this for people who are kind of wondering what we're

953
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 4: referring to the eighteen it's twenty nine group when Donald

954
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: Trump began to decline over the first one hundred day period,

955
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: and he did not decline as some other pollsters found,

956
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 4: but he was falling, and then he was very high

957
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: when his during his honeymoon period, so that shouldn't be surprising.

958
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: But there were certain groups that.

959
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 4: Were keeping him prompt up and some of them eighteen

960
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: to twenty nine black men, under forty five, Hispanic men overall,

961
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: in these groups that we are not used, we have

962
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 4: not grown accustomed labeling as Republican voting groups or supportive

963
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 4: demographic groups, and they were holding him up. The minute

964
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: he bombed Iran, they took off eighteen to twenty nine

965
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 4: year old started to turn and I'm going to say turn,

966
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: but they started to say, I disapprove of the job

967
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 4: he's doing. And we would ask them point blank about

968
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: the bombing of Rome. We know it was that that

969
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 4: started this, and then as time went on, it's painting

970
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 4: him a much more clear picture. After he took that

971
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 4: intervention in Iran, even though it was a very limitmitted

972
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: as they want you just to believe a limited intervention

973
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: a limited action. There was an increase among support among

974
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: voters he doesn't get and will never get the rich,

975
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 4: highly educated, upper crossed I don't want to say suburbanite,

976
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 4: but typically what we associate with a white liberal, a

977
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: very rich white liberal, or an old school kind of

978
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: Bill Crystal Republican. That's the voting group that said, yes,

979
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 4: I'm happy about the bombing of the of ron stecular

980
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 4: sites and oh, by the way, I even somewhat approve

981
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 4: of Donald Trump now. And my argument is simple, and

982
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 4: it's this, In a couple of weeks, those groups will

983
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: be gone again. They'll be right back to hating Donald Trump,

984
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 4: and they'll be right back to disapproving of the agenda

985
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: items and doing everything they have been doing for the

986
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: last ten years.

987
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: And the only thing that you're going to have remaining

988
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: is a week in base.

989
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 4: Eighteen to twenty nine year olds that supported you are

990
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 4: going to be hard to win back. They're skeptical people.

991
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 4: You know, you can't burn these people, especially since so

992
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: new to the coalition. So I mean, I know, it

993
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: just said a lot. It's a lot to take.

994
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: Oh this is great, because I really want to up

995
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: my game and be politically effective. You know, you can

996
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: run around. I mean, there's a difference between activity and productivity.

997
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in being active. I want to be productive,

998
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: and this thing you're talking about is critical to me

999
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: and just to you know, from the poetic frame. As

1000
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: I was driving into the studio this morning, I was

1001
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: listening to Morning Joe on MSNBC, and here's what I

1002
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: heard them doing. They were using Donald Trump's stance on

1003
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: the Epstein files to substantiate that it was always a

1004
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory and that you know, Mega was always you know,

1005
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: flying in the wind on this deal with the deep state.

1006
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: So they were actually using Donald Trump's stance to justify

1007
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 3: their positions how Donald Trump is in league with Morning

1008
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: Mika and Morning Joe. And then they had the next

1009
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: person on and they were touting it actually was Senator

1010
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: Richard Blumenthal, because now Trump has given putin fifty days

1011
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: and he's gonna let this sanctioned bill. He's threatening with

1012
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: these second you know, tremendous secondary sanctions. I mean, really,

1013
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: this is how you start a world war. Actually, and

1014
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: Bloomenthal was singing Trump's praises. So when you got Richard Blumenthal,

1015
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: Senator from Connecticut who is as anti he's the anti Trump,

1016
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, their palsies, Oh don't. There's

1017
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: trouble in River City in the coalition for sure, which

1018
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: I think is what you're talking about. So I don't

1019
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: know if you want to talk about this from a

1020
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: poster frame or from a political analyst frame. What do

1021
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: you think is going on? I mean, can we even

1022
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 3: speculate about what's going on here? You have some because

1023
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you my perspective has been I'm

1024
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: slow to judge until I see the punchline. But I'm

1025
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: getting close to a punchline. And as I said, and

1026
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: I say this on my podcast, I'm not a Donald

1027
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: Trump fan. I'm not motivated by people. I'm motivated by ideas.

1028
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: That's just me, And I tell my audience if you

1029
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: love Donald Trump, I'm not against that. I'm into the idea.

1030
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, I'm watching a rather neo

1031
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: con foreign policy emerge, which is no different than anything

1032
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: that I've seen going back to.

1033
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: Go for War One.

1034
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: It's the same. To me? Am I wrong to see?

1035
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: To say that?

1036
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: Look?

1037
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 4: And then maybe I should have used this or save

1038
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: this label for this for this response, because the truth is,

1039
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 4: if you support Donald Trump, you being a sycophant and

1040
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 4: clapping along like a seal is not the way to

1041
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 4: ensure he's successful. You for once have a president who

1042
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 4: does listen to his base. He cares what they think,

1043
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: and he responds. Now, what I saw yesterday on truth

1044
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: was a line I thought I really never thought you

1045
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: would cross. He did, and they He'll have to deal

1046
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 4: with the consequences of that, and.

1047
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: There will be. But if you do support.

1048
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and many I mean, the funny thing is

1049
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: many of the people are being critical right now have

1050
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 4: been on with Donald Trump from the beginning, and we're

1051
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 4: among his strongest supporters before any of these yes men

1052
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 4: came along before and I mean that by people who

1053
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 4: support him surrogacy, but also in the administration.

1054
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: So I mean, there's it's obvious.

1055
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 4: I mean, to deny that there's not a problem right

1056
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: now in MAGA is a level of sycophancy I can't entertain.

1057
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: I just don't mind. I personally cannot get there.

1058
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: We're not, after all.

1059
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 4: And I think I was getting there actually that the

1060
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 4: media for years have called MAGA a cult, and in truth,

1061
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 4: the last three to four weeks have proved that Magot

1062
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 4: in fact is not a cult, and there are always

1063
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: going to be yes men who and you know are

1064
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: are are basically competing and falling over each other to

1065
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 4: be the biggest siccaphan out of all of them. But

1066
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 4: I saw this movie during the first Trump administration, and

1067
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 4: so did a lot of other voters, his core voters,

1068
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: And this is what is concerning them now. When they

1069
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 4: see mistakes, they feel that they can point them out.

1070
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 4: When they did it in the first administration, things took

1071
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: a very bad turn, and they they denied him a

1072
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: presidency by outmaneuvering him. I mean, if we're being honest,

1073
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 4: we really have to be unafraid to say the truth.

1074
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: There were too many people who.

1075
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 4: Told everybody to trust the plan and trust the present it.

1076
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: Then they trusted themselves right into a special council which

1077
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 4: destroyed his presidency. Then later after he shook off the

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Speaker 4: yoke of the special Council, that COVID came and it

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Speaker 4: was trust him on this and trust this and trust that,

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Speaker 4: And people trusted themselves into the complete undoing of our

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Speaker 4: electoral process, and it cost him his turn is second,

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Speaker 4: his consecutive second term so you cannot blame the core

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Speaker 4: group of MAGA for now sitting and looking at what

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Speaker 4: is going on, whether it is foreign policy or the

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Speaker 4: sanctions with Russia. Because the sanctions, of course Richard Bloomingdal

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Speaker 4: wants them.

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Speaker 2: It's going to drive the price of gas through the moon.

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Speaker 4: And then Richard Bloominghal can blame Donald Trump for higher

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Speaker 4: gas prices, of course he wont. Plus, you know, there

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Speaker 4: obviously is a bipartisan consensus on war.

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Speaker 3: They they want eighty five senators have co sponsored that

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Speaker 3: bill including there you go, I mean eighty five.

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Speaker 2: Now you get that agreement on anything, right?

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Speaker 3: Well, the no, no, no, no, they agree on four

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Speaker 3: four trillion dollars a year. We have broad bipartisan consensus

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Speaker 3: which is the military industrial complex and it's research, and

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Speaker 3: the medical industrial complex and its research. And that's the

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Speaker 3: and the extremism. You know, we just had political assassinations

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Speaker 3: here in Minnesota, which I know you're aware of recently.

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Speaker 3: That extremism is born of that consensus. It's driving people

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Speaker 3: mad because that medical system is not responsive as it

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Speaker 3: needs to be for that kind of money. And we

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Speaker 3: just can say that easily. We have the highest spend

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Speaker 3: on healthcare and we have a very low longevity outcome

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Speaker 3: compared to peer countries. And then you know on the

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Speaker 3: military side, you know, Mega is we don't want an empire.

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Speaker 3: I mean that that's the deconstruction of empire or the

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Speaker 3: voluntary pullback from our deployment all over the world. So,

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Speaker 3: and I just got to tell you this because this

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Speaker 3: is hilarious because these people are unlike you and me,

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Speaker 3: they're without any shame. We have a very leftist newspaper

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Speaker 3: here which is the newspaper of record Minnesota. It's called

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Speaker 3: the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

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Speaker 2: Tribune.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was reading today about their coverage of

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Speaker 3: the Epstein files on the front page and guess who

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Speaker 3: they Guess who they quoted as a This is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: They actually quoted Alex Jones at great length to talk

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Speaker 3: about yeah, to talk about the Mega coalition falling apart.

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Speaker 3: I mean, to have to see Alex Jones's name on

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Speaker 3: the front page of that newspaper just shows me how

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Speaker 3: deeply disingenuous these people are. Because Alex Jones is a

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Speaker 3: cour persona on gratta of course, but now, oh no,

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Speaker 3: he's he's our source.

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Speaker 4: It's just I keep that newspaper for I would keep

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Speaker 4: that newspaper for you know, for for my memorabilia collection,

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Speaker 4: which I have one of. You know, I see something

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Speaker 4: that's remarkable obviously, you know the fight fight fight picture.

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Speaker 2: But when when I do events, you know, and.

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Speaker 4: Go speak here or there, or I see, you know,

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Speaker 4: political events or gatherings that I think are going to

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Speaker 4: be big, I try to keep that would be one

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Speaker 4: of these that would be I would see the cover

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Speaker 4: of that, and I would keep it because when I mean,

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Speaker 4: that is very revealing, Professor Panned. If you look at

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Speaker 4: what they're doing there, they would never cite Alex Jones ever,

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Speaker 4: but they're using Alex Jones to serve their own purposes,

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Speaker 4: to serve their own ends, which is to drive a wedge.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're the real sin here, may have been

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Speaker 4: with the with the whole Epstein and I know that's

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 4: I'm sure right that have to do with the Epstein files.

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 4: I think the real situation here with Epstein is that

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01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: it's a proxy issue for holding the rich and the

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01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 4: powerful and the unaccountable accountable. It's a proxy issue for

1146
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 4: the US versus them, the globalists versus nationalists, and there's

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 4: nobody in their right mind, and when you when you

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: stop the the sycophants, when you when you tune them out,

1149
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 4: when you you know, when you have an honest discussion,

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01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 4: there's nobody worth their weight in this business who would

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 4: argue that they did not mishandle that entire situation and

1152
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: making it worse is you know, it wasn't inevitable, but

1153
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: they're making it worse for by simply refusing to acknowledge.

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Speaker 2: That they did mishandle it.

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Speaker 4: The amount of leeway that voters give to the president

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01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 4: is something that a guy like me who's been doing

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Speaker 4: this a long time.

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Speaker 2: You don't see it often.

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: And voters, you know, they tire of political figures.

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: And men very quickly. They give him a lot of.

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 4: Love and a lot of grace and a lot of latitude.

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: And the only way that he can damage that relationship

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 4: is by it really it's himself. The media can't do it.

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: The late Rush Limbaugh was very right about this. However,

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Speaker 4: the last couple of truth social posts and response to this,

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Speaker 4: you know that, I mean, that's to me, it's the

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Speaker 4: first time I've ever seen Trump say or write or

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Speaker 4: do anything that could jeopardize that relationship. And that's problematic

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Speaker 4: for anybody's effort like the one that you were detailing

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Speaker 4: before in Minnesota and in other places around the country

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Speaker 4: where you know, Republicans are trying to build a new

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Speaker 4: coalition and move forward. And by the way, Minnesota is doable.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: But this is the worst possible thing that anyone can

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Speaker 4: hope to see that maybe engaging in an effort like this,

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Speaker 4: because he is the symbol unfortunately, and I'm like you,

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Speaker 4: I'm uncomfortable with the idea of vitalizing men and following

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: men like that. Men are fallible and flawed. Ideas are

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Speaker 4: not I mean, well, I mean in the purest.

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Speaker 2: Form, right, So I think that he can write this ship.

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01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: But he's got to do with.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just would like, what what what? From a

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: poster's perspective and from your political acumen, since he's put

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Speaker 3: himself really in a corner, what's hiss? Does he have

1185
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 3: a move out of this thing?

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Speaker 2: He does? He's got to do big things.

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Speaker 4: And I know he's not the kind of guy who

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01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 4: likes to, you know, apologize, that's not happening. But you

1189
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 4: can have you know, a Miaco's sister soldier kind of

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton moment. You need to do big things to

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01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 4: show people that you are committed to holding people accountable.

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: And I have there are some things I know and

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: I have heard about him.

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 4: We'll see if they materialize the result in anything, but

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01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 4: you know, going after the bad actors who honestly committed

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 4: either frauds or horrible crimes against the American public would

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 4: be a great place to start.

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Speaker 2: They're out there. You mentioned it before.

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Speaker 4: The two complexes that Americans cannot stand and that probably

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 4: take the most from them are the big pharma complex

1201
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: and the military complex.

1202
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: And those are good places to start.

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 4: And then he in the last poll that we just

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 4: put out, the theme of the poll is the voters

1205
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 4: think Donald Trump has somehow gotten distracted and he was

1206
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 4: not elected to do these things right, to protect Israel

1207
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 4: from a threat to start a war with Russia. They

1208
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 4: very clearly voted for him to de escalate the war,

1209
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 4: the russaou Ukrainian war, and they wanted him to fix

1210
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 4: inflation and immigration and immigration.

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Speaker 2: He really does have a lot to tout. A lot

1212
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 2: of this comes from.

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 4: His own it's not disciplined. His messaging in the White

1214
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 4: House is not disciplined. When they have great achievements, they

1215
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 4: step on them. They have to stop doing that because

1216
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 4: a lot of times when I argue this and answer questions,

1217
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 4: people will say, but.

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: He did do things, He did do this, he did

1219
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 4: A big problem with the Biden White House was their

1221
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 4: communications as well.

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: It was horrible.

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 4: It was to and every time they had to win

1224
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: a political win that they could tout, they stepped on

1225
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 4: their own win. Trump is doing the very same thing, folks.

1226
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 4: The best wage growth in sixty years. We had a

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Speaker 4: report and it was completely overshadowed because Trump bombed Aron's

1228
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 4: nuclear sites and nobody cared or talked about it. It

1229
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 4: got lost in the in the coverage. And I go

1230
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: to the I'm a gym guy.

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: I go to the gym.

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 4: And I try, you know, to work out for an

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 4: hour or two every day. And there's screens professor all

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: over the gym. And when I'm working out, I'm still

1235
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 4: doing my job. I've been watching everything from MSNBC, CNN.

1236
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: Fox, local stuff. It's all up there.

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 4: There wasn't a single screen about better jobs data, about

1238
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 4: better wage data. It was all about Iran. And I'm

1239
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 4: listening to people on the treadmills on the various machines.

1240
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 4: I'm listening to them talk about the news on the screens.

1241
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 4: It was completely dominated by an unpopular intervention. Whether it

1242
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 4: was brief or not is irrelevant. That's not what they wanted.

1243
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 4: They were not prioritizing that movement, and it wasn't something

1244
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: that he argued he would do. And then fast forward,

1245
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: it was just the anniversary of an unsuccessful attempt to

1246
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 4: assassinate him. You brought up before four assassinations that are

1247
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 4: still burnt into your psyche from your generation.

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: I one percent agree with you.

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: I think those assassinations are are key to understanding the

1250
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 4: voters of your generation, and we.

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Speaker 2: Just had that.

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 4: It should have been a great day of celebration, and

1253
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 4: thank god he was spared. Look at all the great

1254
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 4: work he's done until that, and instead it wasn't.

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: It was about the.

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 4: Mishandling of Epstein, him trying to justify it and putting

1257
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: true social posts up, telling his voters he doesn't even

1258
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 4: want their support anymore. I mean, they are their worst

1259
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 4: enemies at this point. And it's so it really is

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01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 4: incumbent upon everybody, not just one man, to achieve the

1261
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 4: goals that we were talking about earlier. That you want

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01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 4: to achieve it. Now is more important than ever to

1263
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 4: let these voters know that we haven't gotten Australia, we

1264
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 4: have not gone astray, We're on the right path. Nobody's perfect. Look,

1265
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 4: we're even trying to hold him accountable now.

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Speaker 3: So you said something critical and I don't know if

1267
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: this is I mean, I'm not want to get into psychologizing,

1268
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 3: but he Donald Trump does listen. He does, which is

1269
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Speaker 3: unique in yes, Mike, because we've had administration after administration

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,440
Speaker 3: that's pursuing an agenda and was really interested in persuading

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01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: me whatever it was that I felt or believed. And

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Speaker 3: so you know, if you're listening in your in your

1273
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 3: and you're viewing and you have concerns, you got to

1274
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: be full throated about this. You can right the White House,

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 3: you can. You know this, And you said another thing.

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: You know this is critical also because we got the

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 3: precinct strategy with it, which is this kind of straight

1278
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: line way to do something in the party and to

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 3: spread the party. But you said, talk to your friends,

1280
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 3: your neighbors, your co workers, your children, your parents. You

1281
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: know we can. Politics. A vote is like a thermometer.

1282
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: It tells you what's going on at that day. But

1283
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: what it's really measuring is the human will, our collective

1284
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 3: wills at that moment, and our collective wills. We have

1285
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: a president that can feel consents in a very kind

1286
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 3: of unusual I think, kind of an unusual way. He

1287
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: can sense the zeitgeist of the times and knows how

1288
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 3: to use that. I think we can be very influential

1289
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 3: in pushing back. And there are people that are prominent

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: in this movement that are full throated in opposing some

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Speaker 3: of this, and I support that, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: tell you Royce is one of them. You know. I

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Speaker 3: want to tell you right here in Minnesota, say, you know,

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Speaker 3: so the party has erected, yet again a seal here

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Speaker 3: to run against Royce because the last thing the party

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Speaker 3: wants is for Royce to become the most important politician

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, because you know, we have the House majority

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Speaker 3: whip here in Minnesota. So there's a natural tension because

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Speaker 3: if Royce was to succeed, he'd be the man. So

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Speaker 3: they're running a seal and I've you know, been critical

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Speaker 3: of him because he's a seal. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: let hey, if you're a hammer, every problem is a

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: nail I just and I say, might be the greatest

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01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: guy in the world. I don't know him, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to take a chance on it. And he

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 3: seems to have a problem with the truth, a kind

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Speaker 3: of a difficulty with it, which is something I don't

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Speaker 3: want in any politician. But here in Minnesota, Royce has

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Speaker 3: been so supportive of Donald Trump, and he's been very

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Speaker 3: influential in that community, that inner city community of opening

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Speaker 3: people's minds to the Mega movement. And we're not getting

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Speaker 3: any traction with the party because the constabulary here has

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Speaker 3: got him pushed down. And here's what they say. And

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Speaker 3: I'm Jewish and we're best friends. He's an anti semi Yeah,

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:48,480
Speaker 3: so they're using his a willingness to talk about APAC

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Speaker 3: when he ran and listen, you'll love this. This is

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Speaker 3: the same Star Tribune when he announced in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: two to run for Omar's seat, he used the word globalism.

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Speaker 3: That same Star Tribune said that was a dog whistle

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Speaker 3: for anti Semitism. Isn't that classic? That's how far, that's

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Speaker 3: how far we've come though since twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's unfortunate that there are now some on the

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Speaker 4: right who have taken to these very same tactics. If

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Speaker 4: you have the audacity to criticize uh. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to say, because I know it's not everybody in the

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Speaker 4: Republican Party, but there is a very real leftover component

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Speaker 4: of Bushism and the concept of neo conservatism for people

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 4: who don't know honestly what that means. It means that

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Speaker 4: they believe that in the primacy of US power to

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Speaker 4: shape the world in the image of the.

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Speaker 2: United States or what it wants, you know, what the

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Speaker 2: world the United States wants to create.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Israel obviously is a key component in

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Speaker 4: that because they are an ally in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: So if you have any you know, if you if

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Speaker 4: you have any criticism, if you level any criticism whatsoever

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Speaker 4: at those ideas, you're now an anti Semite as well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I'm sure the voice is getting

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 4: that thrown in his way, because you said he criticizes

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 4: a pack. Well, Republicans have been criticizing organizations like care

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 4: for years, and they didn't like it when people would

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 4: use the word xenophobic or islamophobic, you know, because they

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Speaker 4: had the audacity to criticize an organization that they felt

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01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 4: was masquerading as a civil rights organization but really was

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01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 4: an unregistered foreign agent, you know, seeking to do you know,

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Speaker 4: the lobby on behalf of the interest of this government

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Speaker 4: or that Arab government or whatever. And they did not

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 4: like it when people on the left called them, you know,

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 4: xenophobic or islamophobic. Now the right is doing the same

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 4: thing to some of their own And if you criticize Apack,

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 4: or if you criticize netanyahuo Lacud party in any way,

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Speaker 4: you're being.

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Speaker 2: Called an anti Semite.

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Speaker 4: And that's tragic because you know, it does have a

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,799
Speaker 4: very real cost. In you have certain communities of Minnesota

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 4: as well. In state donald Trump did win, it's very

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 4: easy for me to underscore the harm that it's already

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01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 4: done right, which is the state of Michigan. For instance,

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Speaker 4: you had Dearborn. Donald Trump actually won a city. The

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Speaker 4: mayor of Dearborn Heights, who was a prominent community leader

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Speaker 4: in the Lebanese community, he endorsed Donald Trump. They did

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 4: so because they wanted peace. They wanted somebody who was

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Speaker 4: a peacemaker. They cited the Abraham Accords. That's not what

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Speaker 4: they got, did They They wanted somebody who didn't just

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Speaker 4: knee jerk, take Israel side and understood that the loss

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Speaker 4: of human life is tragic.

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Speaker 2: No matter who they are.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if they're Palestinian, Lebanese, ISRAELI doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Unmon life is human life.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say, though, and we covered it

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Speaker 3: them on the podcast US. Donald Trump did deliver an

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Speaker 3: epic speech in Saudi Arabia to the leaders of Etadomical.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was his opening bid was I'm not

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Speaker 3: here to tell you how to lift and this American

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 3: except this goes back to Jimmy Burns in forty six,

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 3: this idea that America is going to shape the world

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 3: to its will, and he was he just said, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to do that. You can run any

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 3: kind of game you want to. Let's just do business

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Speaker 3: and let's seek peace. And I'm going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: And this is something we don't know, and I don't

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01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 3: know and when I make an opinion or I'm just speculating.

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Speaker 3: Something seems to have happened between that speech and the

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Speaker 3: bombing of those nuclear facilities in a round there was

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Speaker 3: It feels like there was a sea change, something changed

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01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's mind. Yeah, feels that way to me. And

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just making up. I'm just making up.

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01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: Me need to try to explain how we went from

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Speaker 3: trying to de escalate the Ukraine to now we're arming

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine, and it's not clear to me how those

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Speaker 3: weapons are going to get there. Now that he said

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Speaker 3: the Europeans were going to pay for it, thirteen European

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Speaker 3: countries came out yesterday and said no, we're not.

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Speaker 4: First of all, that was one of the most ridiculous claims. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: if it's going through NATO, it doesn't even matter if

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Speaker 4: those countries are paying their share, because we pay an

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 4: outside share of NATO, So even under the original design

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Speaker 4: of NATO, it really was a ridiculous argument. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how he was considering that he was going to

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Speaker 4: be able to claim that they were going to pay

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 4: and we were going to pay nothing. That's even more

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01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 4: ludicrous to me, because of course that's not going to

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01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 4: happen unless he takes something from them to force them

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 4: to do it, And right now can he afford to

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01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 4: do that at all. He needs all the help he

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 4: can get he's dealing with trade negotiations, or.

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01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't need all the help he can get.

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: But he doesn't need to ruffle any feathers unnecessarily over

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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 4: an issue like this and and upset people that he's

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01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 4: already trying to to deal with on on other levels,

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01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: whether it's trade or even now this is situation in

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01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 4: the Middle East. Yeah, I just want to you know again,

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 4: I just want to point out when it came something.

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01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: I feel like something changed as well. But he did.

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01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: He went to that speech in Saudi Arabia, which was.

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 4: Textbook realism for people who don't know, you know, the

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01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 4: difference between internationalism and realism.

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01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure people do who are listening to this program.

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01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,440
Speaker 2: That's textbook realism.

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Speaker 4: And then he, you know, fast forward a couple of

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 4: weeks and we get to what happened in Israel, and

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01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 4: to people, that isn't what they voted for, because that

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01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: is not realism.

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01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there was no legit.

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 4: I know no realists, prominent realists like a meer Scheimer.

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 2: Who all of these people will cite.

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 4: I know of no prominent realist who would argue that

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01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 4: a empty strike against a country that is not a post,

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01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 4: that does not pose a vitals national security threat to

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01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 4: you at that moment is justified. Nobody would argue that

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01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 4: then that was the situation that we were facing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 3: Mark Levin's Mark Levin was going on Fox News with

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01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 3: the most strident propaganda is propagandists in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 3: I believe now their entire military budget is nine billion

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01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: dollars a year. They lose that much money every month

1438
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: at the Pentagon just gets robbed. Right, So they were

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01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: Iran is not a threat to the United States of America.

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 3: And to take the Republican Party, particularly people in my cohort,

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01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: and stir them up that we are facing a threat

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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: from intercontinental ballistic missiles carrying nuclear tips from Iran is preposterous.

1443
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 3: But then, you know, this goes to show you if

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: you tell the same lie long enough, which you know, oh,

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: which is Grubbel's comment, you can convince people of a lot. Unfortunately,

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01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: that's why we say on this podcast here and you're

1447
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 3: always welcome to come back, we're searching for truth here,

1448
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 3: and we're not afraid to tell the truth. And I

1449
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 3: really have been and I say I've been saying for months.

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01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not too happy with some of this stuff,

1451
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: but I don't want to be critical because I don't

1452
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 3: know what the punchline is, so I don't want to

1453
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: be cut. And you know, pundits always have to have

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: something to say. I'm plenty willing to say I don't know,

1455
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 3: and I'm waiting to see. You know, I'm not on

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 3: somebody's payroll where I have to be a prognosticator. I'm

1457
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 3: just trying to look at Wow, there's been a change. Well,

1458
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: if there's been a change, maybe there could be another change.

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01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 3: I would like to believe that this set of ideas

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has really coalesced, because those ideas were

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 3: there before he showed up. The anti war movement is mega.

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01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 3: You know that that's beautiful. Maybe he can pivot back,

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01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: maybe he's negotiated. I mean, but I have a lot

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: of negative things to say now because I agree with

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 3: you that bombing ensures that the Uranians are going to

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01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: go for a nuclear weapon. It's their only move to

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01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: maintain their regime. So we now have we've guaranteed that

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01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 3: they're going to develop a nuclear capability, guaranteed it, for example,

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Speaker 3: And when you put a fifty day deadline on the

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01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 3: Russians for those kind of secondary sanctions, what's he going

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Speaker 3: to do in fifty days of potent tels and the

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Speaker 3: pound sand I mean.

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Speaker 4: Well, he'll have well And I think we know this

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01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 4: from you know, knowing Trump now as about both as

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01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 4: an actual president and as a campaigner.

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01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: He's not going to blink.

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Speaker 4: So you know then then this is the problem with

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01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 4: I think the game that he's playing.

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: And this is what.

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Speaker 4: Worries me, because you do have people. They give them,

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01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 4: like I said, they give him a lot of latitude.

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01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 4: But things are starting to pile up now, Questions are

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 4: starting to pile up, and they're becoming too many situations

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01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 4: where the risk of escalating, right, I think, and I'll

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01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 4: just be honest personally, I think that the President showed

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 4: a lot of restraint because I know that the pressure

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Speaker 4: on him to do a lot more in Iran, for instance,

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01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 4: was a lot worse. I know the pressure on him

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 4: to do more in Eastern Europe is a lot worse

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01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 4: than we're being allowed to believe. It's difficult to be

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01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 4: in his position and constantly listened to those war drums,

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01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 4: which is you know, they have this down to a science, folks.

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01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: They know how to pressure white houses into doing things.

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01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 4: So I do think he's you know, he's exercise and restraint.

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01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 4: The problem is they're now beginning to get him in

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01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 4: a position where the threat of escalating or things getting

1497
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 4: out of control is coming from multiple places. This happened,

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Speaker 4: by the way, to the Kennedy administration. You know, he

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01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 4: began he was basically you know, being seen there. There

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 4: were seages from all sides, you know, whether it was

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Speaker 4: Cuba or Asia, and it just became a situation where,

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01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 4: you know, one little escalation here and there and could

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 4: lead to something full blown. And that's what happened to

1504
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 4: Vietnam and I it's another real we could learn a

1505
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 4: lot from the Kennedy administration. It's another reason why I

1506
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 4: did not think it was wise, you know, to to

1507
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,839
Speaker 4: use a symmetrical response strategy, uh, when it comes to Iran,

1508
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 4: because we've seen this before, you know, and then and

1509
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 4: eventually you just see one side up ste any the

1510
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 4: other side has to up the anning. Now he's deploying

1511
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 4: the same strategy in Eastern Europe.

1512
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: And Putin is not.

1513
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Putin is at a point where he's been

1514
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 4: fighting a war for a couple of years now that

1515
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 4: I know, I don't know how you know, listeners would

1516
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: feel about this, But again, most realists would say that

1517
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 4: NATO is the aggressor, we put the bulwark, the satellite

1518
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 4: state on their board, or they did not do that

1519
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 4: to us.

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01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: If they did it.

1521
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,480
Speaker 4: To uh for instance, across the border in Niagara Falls,

1522
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 4: and they were sitting right over there, you know, and

1523
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 4: our neighbors, you know, take took a chunk out of Canada,

1524
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 4: our neighbors of the North. And would we just sit

1525
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 4: blindly and let them, you know, you know, have that

1526
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 4: satellite state on our border. Of course we wouldn't, right,

1527
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 4: So I don't know how many realists would would argue

1528
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 4: that Putin did, you know, provoke this conflict. So if

1529
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 4: you're Putin and you're engaged in this conflict for a

1530
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 4: couple of years, you can't.

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: Just give it give it back, you know. I mean,

1532
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: he's that would be incredibly difficult position. It's over for

1533
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: him if he gives them.

1534
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 4: Yes, he's got to at least take the Donbass at

1535
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 4: the very least, and he's got an exit. His exit

1536
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 4: strategy has got to be one that includes looking strong

1537
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 4: and looking like he did. You know, he faced down

1538
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 4: the West and they got what they wanted and then

1539
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 4: they moved on. And I've This is what worried me

1540
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 4: about that situation. The longer that it persisted, the more

1541
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 4: it would change Putin's calculus, and the more of Ukraine

1542
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 4: he would need to justify taking in order to back

1543
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 4: out of there peacefully. And contrary to what a lot

1544
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 4: of people say in Western media, it's one of the

1545
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 4: worst propagandists out there. You know, Russia is not a

1546
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 4: weak country.

1547
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 2: They're not.

1548
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 4: They've actually showed a great deal of restraint. So and

1549
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 4: I hope that continues to be the case. I think

1550
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 4: we're getting a little bit, a little bit lazy and

1551
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 4: a little bit complacent, and there are just too many

1552
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 4: of us who are willing, or at least on the

1553
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 4: pundit side of this. I don't think that's true of people.

1554
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 4: People don't want armed conflict with Russia. The American public

1555
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 4: does not have the resolve for it.

1556
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: So when I say people, I actually mean the pundit class.

1557
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't think they appreciate how devastating a conflict between

1558
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 4: great powers can be.

1559
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: I think they have it around. For one, I think

1560
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 3: James Baker of Memory serves correctly. Who is the in

1561
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: the Reagan administration In the State Department, he was the

1562
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 3: head of the State Department. I think he said, if

1563
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 3: I remember correctly, my job is to wake up every

1564
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 3: day and make sure we don't go to war with Russia, right,

1565
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: And how we could go from that orientation, and that

1566
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 3: was a very globalist administration. But to go from that

1567
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: that kind of foreign policy orientation to just openly since

1568
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 3: the nineties, and I agree with you. I mean I've

1569
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 3: gone in a great depth on this. I mean I

1570
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 3: say this all the time. Britain attacked Russia in eighteen

1571
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 3: oh five, France attacked Russia in eighteen twelve, Britain attacked

1572
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: again in eighteen fifty three, the Germans attacked in oh

1573
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 3: nineteen seventeen. We had thirteen thousand American troops in flat

1574
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 3: of Astok when the revolution happened. The West went in

1575
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 3: there forty two Operation Barbarossa, the Germans, the Old War.

1576
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 3: Now this war. I mean, it's not that the Russians

1577
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 3: haven't been doing their own skulldugery, but this is the

1578
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 3: great game of Europe. And the whole point of America

1579
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 3: was to get out of this mess, was to not

1580
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously people came here and piggybacked on the

1581
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: people that ran away but the original people that came here,

1582
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 3: we're trying to escape that kind of monarchical great game,

1583
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,520
Speaker 3: and well we've reproduced it here again. So we're embroiled

1584
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:36,440
Speaker 3: in something that is really not Republican as a philosophy.

1585
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 2: It is right, I think that's it. And I don't

1586
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: mean to interrupt you.

1587
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure that I do say this,

1588
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 4: because I keep forgetting to say.

1589
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm now every opportunity it's not.

1590
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 4: That isn't Republicanism, and that has been the reason that

1591
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 4: Trump has had the success that he's been trying to

1592
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 4: bring that back. And so when some people who are

1593
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 4: Trump's defenders, and God love God, you know, God loved.

1594
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: Them, I mean, they're doing what they feel is best.

1595
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure when they defend him regardless of whatever he

1596
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 4: does without criticism, they're actually damaging and hindering his ability

1597
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 4: to be a more popular and more successful president. And

1598
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 4: then in what does that mean, Well, Republicans in the

1599
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 4: future have got to win over voters, certain voting groups

1600
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 4: that he won that they failed to win, which we

1601
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 4: started the show with.

1602
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 2: There are a lot more examples.

1603
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 4: They can go around the map and we could just

1604
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 4: knock them down one by one.

1605
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, your.

1606
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 4: Congressional districts in your state, especially the southeastern part of

1607
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 4: the state, he completely outruns these traditional Republicans in your

1608
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 4: part of the state. So the longer we continue with

1609
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 4: this I usually call it an identity crisis. The longer

1610
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 4: that we, you know, Republicans as a party persist with

1611
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 4: this identity crisis, the more they procrastinate being able to

1612
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 4: bring these voters into the fold. And or at a

1613
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 4: point now where I understand they wanted to defend their guy,

1614
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: but we're at a point now where you know, the

1615
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,759
Speaker 4: hours getting late, he will not be on the ballot again,

1616
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 4: and these voters are out there wondering and looking at

1617
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 4: events and saying to themselves, you know what is going

1618
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: on here, And when it comes time to vote for

1619
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 4: Republican candidates and he's not on that ballot, it's going

1620
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 4: to be a very difficult time convincing them that the

1621
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,839
Speaker 4: party's candidates down ballid are worth the trust the way.

1622
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 2: That they put into him.

1623
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, he did great getting

1624
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 4: out voters that we were talking about that are lower propensity.

1625
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: He did great, but there.

1626
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 4: Were more, you know, there are a lot more and

1627
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 4: you know, we had Republicans gotten them out in twenty

1628
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 4: four their congressional gains would have been much much bigger,

1629
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 4: and they didn't. So I don't know why would be

1630
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 4: be miering ourselves in this conversation. You know, I thought

1631
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 4: we were pretty much past this debate now it should

1632
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 4: be all about motivating and what's the best way to

1633
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 4: reach these people and bring them into the fault.

1634
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 3: Do you think this new media like we're doing here,

1635
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 3: this podcast medium is helpful to reach these low and

1636
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 3: no propensity voters.

1637
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I do, and I and the reason why.

1638
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you're educating people on what they could be

1639
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 4: doing as well.

1640
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: And you know there are.

1641
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 4: There are other programs that have demonstrated that they can

1642
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 4: make a difference. So I think the more widespread and

1643
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 4: in Minnesota, you need one of these because.

1644
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 3: Again we're here. We're here, bab.

1645
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: It's been ignored for too long, and I yeah.

1646
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 3: We want all the help. Look, we're sitting at the cost.

1647
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: I think it's essential help me.

1648
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm asking for help. I mean I want you to

1649
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 3: come back. I want to make a relationship with you.

1650
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 3: I would like to get together with you. And here's

1651
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 3: what the audience needs to understand. The data that Richard

1652
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 3: generates is watched by the administration. So this polling data,

1653
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 3: that's the feedback loop of US answering these polls honestly

1654
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:11,440
Speaker 3: and participating. Because the data then gets into the administration.

1655
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 3: That's the feedback from the street. I mean any of

1656
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 3: the I mean, of course there's people like bann and

1657
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean he's listened to, But the man in the

1658
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: street is more important than any of the pundits. And

1659
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 3: so the aggregation of this data is what Richard is collecting.

1660
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: So when he says we need to speak back, we

1661
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 3: need to be forceful in our pushback, He's going to

1662
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 3: collect that data. It's going to go back to the administration.

1663
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 3: And that is how Donald Trump can analyze where he's

1664
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 3: at and push back again. And this is something that

1665
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 3: you and I understand. I don't think people understand it.

1666
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 3: First of all, it's the fog of war for him.

1667
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you get tired, and I know this happens

1668
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 3: for you too. Yes, You've got to constantly come up

1669
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 3: with content and ideas and you wake up one day

1670
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 3: and you go, man, I don't even know what's going

1671
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 3: on today. I got to figure this out. Well, he's

1672
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 3: sitting in that chair and he's being hammered on, and

1673
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 3: it's a mile a minute every minute, and he's doing

1674
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 3: the best he can. I'm sure I know he is,

1675
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 3: and he airs And that's what you're saying, is is

1676
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: the people that brought him to the dance have to

1677
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 3: hold him accountable to why we brought him to the dance.

1678
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 3: And that is the data you're going to aggregate and

1679
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,799
Speaker 3: he's going to see it. Is that a true statement?

1680
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 4: What you just said was one hundred percent true and

1681
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 4: so valuable that you said it starting with the beginning. Folks,

1682
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 4: if you get called by a polster, I know that

1683
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 4: you know, maybe you don't trust them. If they want

1684
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 4: five or ten minutes of your time, give it to them.

1685
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter for me or anybody else. Please give

1686
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: them that time. Because if you and this is a

1687
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 4: major problem we've had in the industry, if a certain

1688
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 4: group of people decide that they're not going to participate

1689
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 4: in them, then when the polls come out and they

1690
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 4: look really bad for you, you can't really complain. Because

1691
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: we have a lot of groups that are wholly opting

1692
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 4: out of trying to participate.

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01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 2: It makes the job very difficult.

1694
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 3: You could even say this is an act of self governance. Now, yes,

1695
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 3: to make it is everybody needs to hear that, you

1696
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 3: know self, that's.

1697
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 2: Actually in our pitch.

1698
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 4: That's actually in our pitch when we call people, we

1699
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 4: actually say that in our pitch. So please you know

1700
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 4: that it's our way of saying, please give us ten

1701
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 4: minutes with your opinion is valuable to us because this

1702
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 4: is your chance to have your voice heard and we

1703
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 4: and that comes with assurances that we promise we will

1704
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 4: accurately reflect them, you know, because there are people who

1705
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 4: simply don't think that their real opinion will be conveyed properly.

1706
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 2: So we do that.

1707
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 4: And then again with the second part of what you

1708
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 4: said is that they do digest this work.

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01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 2: There's only a few people that they trust.

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01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 4: And when you know, if you, if you, it's important

1711
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 4: that you make your views known to people like me

1712
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 4: because they're going to see it.

1713
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: I mean, this is rare.

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01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 4: Joe Biden didn't do this, Barack Obama didn't do this.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bush didn't do this. Presidents don't care like this,

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01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: and he's he does.

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01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 4: And we're incredibly in the words blessed, We're blessed to

1718
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 4: have a situation where the president will literally want to

1719
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 4: hear what you think.

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01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 3: I mean that that's the buried lead. The buried lead

1721
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: is Richard is on the list of people. That is.

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01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 2: That lead.

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01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 3: You did, but I want the audience to know it.

1724
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 3: And and Richard, can you give everybody your socials because

1725
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 3: I want everybody to follow you. Give us your social

1726
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 3: So everybody get out your pencil and write this down.

1727
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 3: Go ahead for I so I have it in the description. Guys, Ok,

1728
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 3: thank you Tanner. Go ahead, Richard, just just let wrap

1729
01:37:58,880 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 3: it down.

1730
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're everywhere, but the best place to

1731
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 4: make it simple on everybody is on locals. That's the

1732
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 4: central hub for all things People's pundit, People's pundent dot

1733
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 4: locals dot com. Even if you wanted to go to

1734
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 4: the Public Polling Project, which is again it's our way

1735
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 4: to try to reform the polling industry, that's on Big

1736
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 4: Data Pole, But all you have to do is go

1737
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 4: to Locals and Locals will have the links there and

1738
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 4: you can learn about, you know, the various things that

1739
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 4: we do and engage with the community because Locals is

1740
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 4: a community. And yeah, I really appreciate you guys. Having

1741
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 4: me on and I'd love to come back. I mean,

1742
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 4: we had some time today, but we scratched the surface.

1743
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 3: If you'll come back, I'll be blessed because what I

1744
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 3: really want and I'm going to ask you this is

1745
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 3: what you have to do in politics. You got to

1746
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 3: be bold. The worst thing that you can do is

1747
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 3: get slap somebody says, no, I'm asking for your help.

1748
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 3: In Minnesota. We've got a tight budget here with Royce White,

1749
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 3: which is no surprise to you because he's not going

1750
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 3: to get any institutional support. And I've got to find

1751
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 3: the right issues that are going to create a coalesced unity.

1752
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 3: Because he's great. I'm going to tell you don't know him,

1753
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 3: I'd like you to meet him. He's great. He could

1754
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 3: be really important to the future of this movement, and

1755
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 3: he needs people like you to invest in him. I've

1756
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 3: invested him. Mean, Steve is Bannon has really tried to

1757
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 3: help him because he is a unique intellect and he's

1758
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 3: got really he's the you know, there's this thing they

1759
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, it was like Kramer on Seinfeld.

1760
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 3: When Royce walks into the room, he can actually light

1761
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 3: it up and make everybody feel good just walking in

1762
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 3: and we just need to take that life.

1763
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 2: That's a gift, a gift.

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01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 3: He's just great in the crowd and he's got the

1765
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:52,440
Speaker 3: physical presence, but he's got the intellect to make a difference.

1766
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 3: And you know, the Republican Party of Minnesota is going

1767
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 3: to get this podcast rammed right up their ass because

1768
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 3: what they're doing. Canner's gonna edit that out. But what

1769
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 3: they're trying to do is what we've always done, which

1770
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 3: is lose. They're unwilling to try anything different. They just

1771
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,520
Speaker 3: keep reproducing the same playbook and it's just a failure.

1772
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 2: Very and I know how frustrating that is.

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01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't obviously been dealing with that in Minnesota,

1774
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 4: but it is.

1775
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,480
Speaker 2: I think we all have stories.

1776
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,560
Speaker 4: Like this that they just are on, you know, a

1777
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 4: rinse and repeat cycle, and it's very difficult to break

1778
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 4: that cycle.

1779
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if they lose.

1780
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 4: They ignore, they shirk accountability, they escape accountability, they ignore criticisms.

1781
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 4: They take the tiny winds where they get them as

1782
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 4: an affirmation that they're doing something right, even though these

1783
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 4: are not big wins and usually have nothing to do

1784
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 4: with how they run the game. It's usually organic. And

1785
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 4: then we get into the same cycle all over again.

1786
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 4: Warn them this isn't gonna work. That person is not

1787
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 4: the right candidate. They lose, that candidate loses. We try

1788
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 4: the I told you so a moment, it doesn't happen.

1789
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 4: They ignore it, and it.

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01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Just keeps this maddening cycle over and over again. It

1791
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 2: has to be broken.

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Speaker 4: And that's why, really it started last last presidential cycle

1793
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 4: where I decided, you know what, the only way to

1794
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 4: stop this is to change the electric because it's something

1795
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:30,879
Speaker 4: they can't even control.

1796
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 2: And again, we can talk more about that, you know,

1797
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Speaker 2: in the future. In the future, yeah, Richard, they can't

1798
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 2: control that.

1799
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 3: But you know who you're talking to a person I

1800
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 3: have dedicated the rest of my life to that kind

1801
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 3: of cultural change. I believe in it. I'm working for it.

1802
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 3: I think we're good at what we're doing, but we're

1803
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 3: getting what we have football fields of improvement to make.

1804
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 3: And you're this connection I have with you, I'm going

1805
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 3: to try to develop it. You're welcome back. I'm good

1806
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 3: to call you after this, uh, you know, and try

1807
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 3: to establish a real personal relationship. And that's another thing.

1808
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: Politics is personal. I mean, it's period per and you

1809
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 3: want to work. You want to work with people you like,

1810
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 3: and I've really enjoyed listening to you, and I I

1811
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 3: want to thank you so much for coming on, and

1812
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 3: I hope you come back soon and I wish you godspeed,

1813
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 3: and I I think my audience is really getting a

1814
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 3: benefit from having you spend your time with us. Thank

1815
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on tonight.

1816
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 2: I appreciate that and look forward to it all the best.

1817
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 3: Good, good to see, good to meet you, sir, Thank

1819
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,520
Speaker 3: you very much, Thank you Tanner, thank you very much. Everybody.

1820
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Have a good night.

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01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 2: Thank you Richard, have a good night.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all.