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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. It's a size

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Speaker 1: them up Monday, baby, and I got my ring on.

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Speaker 1: Oh I got it on upside down. Oh no, there

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Speaker 1: we go size them up Monday. After a twenty three

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Speaker 1: to twenty win over the Cleveland Browns, the Ravens moved

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Speaker 1: to four and three, still in first place in the

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Speaker 1: a f C North type of the Bengals, but we

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Speaker 1: got tiebreaker so we get to say West. So uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, not not the prettiest of wins. The Ravens

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Speaker 1: were out gained in total yards by the Browns. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, the passing game was a little sluggish, the

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Speaker 1: running game was strong, the defense was strong for most

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Speaker 1: of the game. But another fourth quarter scare. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: you know what we've all been belly aching about the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: you know, piling up the yards and not getting wins.

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Speaker 1: I'll take a win without the yards quite frankly, totally totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean we always say like it's the criticism of

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Speaker 1: the Ravens the past few weeks when they've lost has

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Speaker 1: been you know, Okay, those are kind of meeting less ares.

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Speaker 1: You can control the game, but you don't win the

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Speaker 1: situations blah blah blah. They did it yesterday. They got

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Speaker 1: the win. They may not have had the most yards.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a weird game. Um, you know, lamarje accident

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Speaker 1: with those of all sixteen times and special teams turned

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Speaker 1: out to be a huge factor. Ravens dominated in that area.

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Speaker 1: That was a big part of the game. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you come out of that one feeling like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, a win is a win, no matter what.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it was like a beauty contest

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Speaker 1: by any means, but to beat in a divisional team

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Speaker 1: when you're sitting at three and three kind of at

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Speaker 1: a you know, Gus Edwards told me after the game

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Speaker 1: kind of felt like a must win, you know, to

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Speaker 1: them to a certain extent. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: was kind of a sentiment that a number of guys

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Speaker 1: had um that this was a really important game. Certainly

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Speaker 1: not like technically a must win, but just in terms

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Speaker 1: of where the Ravens were at at this point of

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Speaker 1: the season. And then add on top of that, it

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Speaker 1: feels like, you know, oh, oh, this is happening again,

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Speaker 1: following the same script we've seen this story. Before you

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Speaker 1: get the fumble, they are up double j json and

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter is just gonna be the same story, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. It came close, but it wasn't exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's dive in here. Uh, let's start offensively, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we were just talking about a weird game offensively, uh,

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Speaker 1: and and the Ravens. You know, afterwards, John Harball said,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of just the way the game played out.

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Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't by design necessarily that they were

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Speaker 1: going to be very run heavy and not throw the

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Speaker 1: ball much, but that's just kind of the way it went,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean the first three offensive plays of

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Speaker 1: the game are all handoffs in Gus Edwards belly and

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Speaker 1: the bus. The bus just took the parking break off

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Speaker 1: just and got rolling. And so I mean that was

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Speaker 1: and you saw it even on the very first carry

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Speaker 1: from Gus Edwards, I mean, stuck his leg in the ground,

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Speaker 1: you know, with his physicality, and you're like, all right, Gus,

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Speaker 1: like are you back back? You know, and then on

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Speaker 1: third down, you know, runs again on second down, And

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Speaker 1: I said to you, even at that point it was

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what the Ravens have been missing, right,

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, the running game has been pretty

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Speaker 1: because the offensive line is really starting to gel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: loss were gigantic right against the Giants. And and Gus

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Speaker 1: which like is really big for this offense that had

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Speaker 1: so you know, even seeing Gus convert that third and

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Speaker 1: but Gus is just better at it, you know, his

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Speaker 1: he never loses yards. I forget what the stat was

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Speaker 1: like going back to his rookie season, he had like

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Speaker 1: So like he just always goes forward, and it's so

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Speaker 1: it makes such a big difference when you're at third

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Speaker 1: it kind of opens up the entire playbook at your disposal.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll be honest where I was wrong, you know,

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Speaker 1: it takes you know, well, we'll do some emission here.

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Speaker 1: I'll admit I was wrong on this. I did not

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Speaker 1: think sixteen carries for Gus in the first game. Back

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Speaker 1: on the pregame show on Raymonds Pregame Live, Shelby asked me,

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Speaker 1: predicted five to eight carries. I said, it's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: follow a similar trajectory to what we saw with J. K.

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Speaker 1: Dobbins and Marcus Peters and Ronnie Stanley, kind of an

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Speaker 1: same thing that we're talking about. They missed this element

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the email here. This is

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Speaker 1: to the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. This

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Speaker 1: comes to us from Nick. He said he's traveling back

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Speaker 1: to home to Carolina, California, sorry, California, from the game yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So I went to the game and going back to California.

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Speaker 1: True a f C North game in a win that

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Speaker 1: we definitely needed. Do you think going forward, the gusts

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Speaker 1: Gus Edwards is the king today? He is a king.

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Speaker 1: He is a king King, Gus king Us. Um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I expect that. I mean, I don't think the Ravens

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Speaker 1: you know, like they did yesterday. Lamar Jackson's most of

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Speaker 1: for sure. And you know, and as John Harball said,

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Speaker 1: So but I do think here we got another email

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Speaker 1: also about Gus. Uh here this one. The subject line

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Speaker 1: from Trevor Watson is the wheels on the gust bus

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Speaker 1: from Richmond, Virginia. It says my first thought is I

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Speaker 1: love the Ravens media SEC thank you very much. Second

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Speaker 1: thought is gotta love Gus. I feel like a consistent

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Speaker 1: you're tired. I'm not putting anything into it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that Lamar, like dude, is a very very

427
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Speaker 1: very very competed, editive guy. I think he wants to

428
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Speaker 1: do more than he did yesterday and was probably felt,

429
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Speaker 1: like you know, we're talking about the passing game wasn't

430
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Speaker 1: really in sync right, and like Lamar Jackson just isn't.

431
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Speaker 1: He's just not a player who's like going to feel

432
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Speaker 1: great into like himself when like he doesn't impact the

433
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Speaker 1: game in like a major way, you know what I mean,

434
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Speaker 1: Because he is one of the game's best and biggest stars,

435
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Speaker 1: and so like when he he's happy with a win,

436
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: but like he wants to be a star. You know,

437
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: stars want to be stars. And I don't blame him.

438
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Speaker 1: I understand that sentiment. I can say just from being

439
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Speaker 1: in the locker room afterwards, like he was definitely all smiles,

440
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Speaker 1: joking around with the guys, really happy. Like it was

441
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Speaker 1: a little bit different than I think what people saw

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Speaker 1: in the press conference room. Um so, and I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't care, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you know, his mood in this press conference

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Speaker 1: means anything. I'm not reading too much into it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel I think also to like, you know, it

447
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Speaker 1: probably is a lot of fans probably felt that same

448
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Speaker 1: way to like, yeah, look, hey we got to win,

449
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Speaker 1: but like you weren't like sitting there. I mean, I'm

450
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Speaker 1: wearing my ring but like I'm probably on an island here. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like that that game was all of

452
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it was close, so they had a chance

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Speaker 1: to put it away, and there's the fumble and all

454
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Speaker 1: this stuff, and you're just like you got out of there.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was kind of a sigh relief.

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Speaker 1: Um and that was you know, I think MG makes

457
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Speaker 1: Stadi probably let out a collective sigh when that field

458
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Speaker 1: goal was blocked, and um and well here you go here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The email email from Jonathan Jonathan Strommel says, Aloha from

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Speaker 1: Ravens Flock, Hawaii. I'm so relieved we eked out a

461
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Speaker 1: win against the Browns, but I had to take multiple

462
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Speaker 1: showers afterwards because it felt like a dirty win. Um

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Speaker 1: says personally, I don't want to think about it much

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Speaker 1: because other than the triumphant return of Gus Dobos, there

465
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Speaker 1: wasn't much to celebrate. Am I wrong to want to

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Speaker 1: put this win behind us and quickly shift focus to

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Speaker 1: Howard Defense will be devouring some goat on Thursday nights

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Speaker 1: and menu mahallow guys, John from why name man? No

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Speaker 1: now just John from Hawaii? Thanks John? Um No, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're speaking to, right. It's like

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Speaker 1: there just wasn't like you didn't come away feeling like, yes,

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Speaker 1: like this team that it's a true size of up Monday.

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Speaker 1: You know we're going all the way, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I will take an ugly win every single game, ugly

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Speaker 1: it up all the way to the Super Bowl. Baby,

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Speaker 1: I do not care. I'll take I'll take you. I'll

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Speaker 1: take an ugly win over you know, three and a

478
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Speaker 1: half three and a half quarters are pretty lost, which

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Speaker 1: is what you know there was against Miami and exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I and I think there was more

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Speaker 1: to celebrate than just gus. You know, like, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the defense. Let's flip it over there. You know,

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Speaker 1: like I thought the defense for the most part played

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Speaker 1: pretty well. And after they especially after getting kind of

485
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Speaker 1: their punch in the mouth first drive of the game,

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Speaker 1: the Browns justummm march down the field touchdown. You're like,

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Speaker 1: boy like Nick Chubbs, you know, rolling over people, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, this could be a long day. I mean

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Speaker 1: this Brown offense. Brown's offense. Yeah, they don't have Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: They have Jacobe were sitting there, but like with Nick

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Speaker 1: Chubb and a reliable receiver to Marii Cooper and David

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Speaker 1: then Joku the tight end who the Ravens you know,

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Speaker 1: had some trouble bottling up seven catches for seventy one

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Speaker 1: yards on seven targets, called every single one. Him going

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Speaker 1: out to an injury. I think an ankle injury in

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Speaker 1: the second half is kind of big. Um but anyway

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Speaker 1: like their tough offense to stop because they stay on schedule, right,

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Speaker 1: They're like the Ravens in a way where yesterday where

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of whatever. You know, you get the

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Speaker 1: third and two right, and then the whole playbook is

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Speaker 1: that You're just was all at that point and so uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they thought played a pretty good game offensively,

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Speaker 1: And credit to the Ravens and Mike McDonald and and

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Speaker 1: everybody for kind of responding after that early touchdown drive

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Speaker 1: they give up. Yeah, no, I mean no doubt. Like

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Speaker 1: the other guy who I think, I mean deserves a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit obviously, I mean Patrick Queen um Man.

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Speaker 1: He was flying all over the play. Um, I guess

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Speaker 1: a really good running game. You have three tackles for

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Speaker 1: loss and a sack. There was eleven tackles on the game.

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Speaker 1: That's the type of game that you want to see

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Speaker 1: from your middle linebacker in an NFC North matchup against

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Speaker 1: the Browns who are a dominant running team. So I was,

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Speaker 1: I was very encouraged by that. And then the other one,

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Speaker 1: who I mean, sure nice to have. I asked clay

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Speaker 1: As Campbell after the game, does it feel like the

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Speaker 1: pass rush is getting going and he goes, hey, sure

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Speaker 1: helps to have fifty on the field. I mean, Justin

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Speaker 1: Houston played sixteen snaps, he had two sacks, almost had

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Speaker 1: a third, and he just added so much juice to

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Speaker 1: that pass rush. So, like I thought, there were some

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Speaker 1: some real bright spots. Now, the Browns did have some

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Speaker 1: issues on their offensive line, they were banked up on

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Speaker 1: the old line, but getting the pass rush rolling, Houston

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Speaker 1: gets to Queen gets one. Kyle Hambleton gets his first

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Speaker 1: career sack at any level. Um. So, you know when

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Speaker 1: Clay's Campbell's was obviously was a sack. Strip knocked the

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Speaker 1: ball out of Riset's hands on their first drive at

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Speaker 1: the second half, you know, after the Ravens, which was

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Speaker 1: a big play. The Ravens went three and out, ugly,

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Speaker 1: ugly offensive drive to start the second half, punted away

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Speaker 1: and then Calais gets that turnover and they end up

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Speaker 1: capitalizing on that I believe with the touchdown. Um So,

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Speaker 1: just a huge play from him. Oway jumped on the phone,

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Speaker 1: ble so credit to him. Um. I think the pass

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Speaker 1: rush is starting to kind of round into form. And

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Speaker 1: and the other good part is, you know, so this

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Speaker 1: was this was a season high five sacks today or yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They had four sacks the week before against the Giants.

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Speaker 1: And you have these pass rushers that are coming back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Thias Bowser coming back is gonna make a

542
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Speaker 1: big difference, to big difference. It's gonna help take some

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Speaker 1: of the load off o Way and these other guys.

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Speaker 1: Tyas is just a really good player. He might he's

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Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers, no doubt. And then

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Speaker 1: you know the rookie David a Jabo coming back. You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the pass rush is getting going and there's

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Speaker 1: more on the way. So that's I think a really

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Speaker 1: good sign for this defense. And it's different guys. Last

550
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: week it was Travis Jones got a sack, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was the defensive tackles kind of feasting on the inside.

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Speaker 1: This week, you got a little bit more from the edge.

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Speaker 1: So if they put it all together, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be really good for this to Yeah, totally, totally,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think, And I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, after the game, John Hardball and a number

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Speaker 1: of players pointed Mike McDonald, um, Patrick Queen did Calais

558
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: Campbell did Um to give him a lot of praise

559
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: for the game that he called. Um and so like

560
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: well timed blitz. Yeah, like it was like a consistent

561
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: theme that multiple players referenced it. And John hardball game

562
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: credit for the game that he called. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that they were really pleased with with Mike's

564
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Speaker 1: ability to kind of make the right calls in the

565
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Speaker 1: right situation, call pressure at the right time, and you

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Speaker 1: know it was successful. Um, you know, and and of course,

567
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: like you gotta you don't want to ignore the fact that,

568
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: like the Browns are playing with how they starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know that Jacoby Brissett is not the best quarterback

570
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Speaker 1: the Ravens are gonna face this year. So of course

571
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Um, And I think that's part

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Speaker 1: of the reason, you know, to go back to John

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Speaker 1: from Hawaii's email, while you feel a little dirty, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess that like that that this Brown's offense is

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Speaker 1: without DeShawn Watson and is hurt, you know along the

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Speaker 1: offensive line and joke who leaves a game in the

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Speaker 1: middle of it and you just kind of barely eke

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Speaker 1: out a victory. Sure, that's all, that's all fine, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But again to kind of keep with the theme what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. It doesn't ultimately matter. It's still a win.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of the did you think it was?

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Speaker 1: And obviously this is a very biased question. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna I'm gonna just reread a couple of

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Speaker 1: Then I got a couple of questions for you relating

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's the leftover notches that you ate

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Speaker 1: I still like him. It's my favorite part of the game.

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Speaker 1: First quarter. You see me rushing to the nacho line.

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Speaker 1: I missed. I missed my hot dog. I did not

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Speaker 1: to become the new norm now obviously got a dubs

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Speaker 1: dub shout out to our our emailer from last week.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna play the game today after a win. This

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Speaker 1: a last, last last point to break down the food

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Speaker 1: in the press box. Pumpkin cheesecake. They had a pumpkin

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Speaker 1: cheesecake that was excellent. It was very good, excellent. I

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Speaker 1: just had to say, I mean, we we have to

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Speaker 1: shout out pumpkin stuff, all right. Here's the email from

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Speaker 1: Kai Degner. Uh. He says, hey, guys, so Austin to

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Speaker 1: watch a game where all phases contributed and overcame challenges.

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Speaker 1: We really seemed balance with moments where offense, defense, and

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Speaker 1: special teams each had key contributions which required in game

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Speaker 1: adjustments by players and coaches. It also seemed a good

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Speaker 1: fusion of old school and news school Ravens getting pressure

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Speaker 1: in sacks, Gus pounding the rock, special teams coming through

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Speaker 1: rooman unlocking the vault with the creativity with Andrews and

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Speaker 1: keeping it stressful at the end. It ain't pretty, but

638
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: it's us big win. Thank you. Kai. That that kind

639
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: of you know rolls into the special teams that I

640
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about, and that was that was a

641
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: key component where the Ravens you know, have almost every

642
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: single year had the best special teams union in league.

643
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: And he saw why that matters yesterday, right. I mean,

644
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: obviously the block field goal at the end, uh, Lee

645
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Harrison getting up blocking that one with the faces Lee

646
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: Harrison just it was that was awesome. That was what

647
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: was podcast. But obviously podcast obvious podcast, that's the That's

648
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: one of the first things I thought of, Yes we're

649
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: back on and the podcast bump is alive. Um. But

650
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: you know more than that just that, I mean early

651
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: in the game, Jordan's Stout flipped fuel position, uh with

652
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: a bomb sixties some yard bomb that then the Ravens

653
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: covered really well, and that totally kind of flipped early

654
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: momentum that the Browns had, you know, the Ravens. Browns

655
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown, Ravens came back, I think got a

656
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: field goal, then they had another three and out and

657
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: that punt really kind of changed things. Um. And then

658
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Devin Dune with a long return following that one, right,

659
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: setting up another score for the Ravens. Those are big

660
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: plays in this game, and so Hats off to Chris Horton,

661
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: hats off to the special teamers involved, just that in

662
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: large part won the game totally. And I just want

663
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Speaker 1: to say this too, because I got a lot of

664
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Speaker 1: Browns fans in my life, so nice, you're gonna clown

665
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: on them. You're just gonna dance on them right now,

666
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: just pritty on them. What what I'm gonna say is

667
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: I I see Brown's fans are unhappy about two main

668
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: calls in this game. There was a false start and

669
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: there was the offensive past interference on Maria Cooper the

670
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: white way a touchdown against Bargus Peters just real quick.

671
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Speaker 1: I mean the past interference was pretty obvious to me.

672
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Speaker 1: He pushed off. I mean it was like definitely pushed off.

673
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: That was pretty obvious. So it doesn't mean it's gonna

674
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: get called every time, but it's the right call. Yeah,

675
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: sometimes they missed that, but that is absolutely the right call. Yeah,

676
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Speaker 1: that's a good point that you make. I mean, I

677
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: do think a lot of times it doesn't get called

678
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: just because offensive pass interference doesn't get called enough probably,

679
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: and so it the Ravens are fortunate that they made

680
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the right call in that situation. And then on the

681
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: false start, you know, like you see the overhead view

682
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like they no, nobody moved, nobody moved.

683
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: But if you actually look, there's the angle behind the

684
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: play where and John Harball talked about this after the game.

685
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: The center moves his head, which he is allowed to

686
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: move his head to look, you know, back towards the holder,

687
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: but he also picks up the ball at the same

688
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: time he shifts the ball, and when he shifts the ball,

689
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: that's what causes everybody moved on the on one side,

690
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: and then actually on the other side of the line

691
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: is where a guy on the Brown side moves as well.

692
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: So it's movement happening all over the place. But basically

693
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Speaker 1: the Ravens are allowed to go in the neutral zone

694
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: before the snap also, so like the Ravens kind of

695
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: moved into the neutral zone, which then the Brown's guy

696
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: then on the end of the line, but far away

697
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: from that movement, far away from on the other side

698
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: of that movement. They both moved. So there's multiple things

699
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: happening there, all of which were a penalty on the

700
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Brown against the Brown exactly against the Browns. So it's

701
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: basically and what the long Snapper did. It's basically a bullk.

702
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Just to explain everything to baseball fans out there, It's

703
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: very subtle, but it's a bulk. And so like when

704
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: he whips his head down like that and then basically

705
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: does a fake like a little mini snap, right, that's

706
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: a bullk. And so that's what got the Ravens to

707
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: jump offsides. And that's what long snap ers do, right.

708
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: They when they're trying to draw you all sides, they

709
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: try to do all these little tricks, subtle little tricks

710
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: to make you jump. And the refs, to their credit,

711
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: caught it. And so you got caught, you know, So

712
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: there's no complaining about getting caught doing stuff that's against

713
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: the rules. You can't complain about that. And and the

714
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a big call, and I think

715
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: probably probably why they're all ficy about it. But by

716
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: the way, you know, I'm just glad to be on

717
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: the other side for once, because I've been bellyaching about

718
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: the refs all season I've done. I've been in that

719
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: headspace a lot this year. So to see the universe

720
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: kind of balance itself out in the Ravens be the

721
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: beneficiary of some fifty fifties or whatever of the calls

722
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: or not at least not have them go against them

723
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: like it feels good. And and to all those who

724
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: are whinding, you know what, we've taken a lot of

725
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: bad calls, so you know so, but they weren't back calls.

726
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, Like they weren't. They weren't

727
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: like they were the correct call. They were the correct calls.

728
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: And so um, what was I about to say? You

729
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: just went on a ref train lost? So yeah, well

730
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. I mean, that's a big call.

731
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Speaker 1: And part of I think why they're belly ating is

732
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: because the refs talked about it for half an hour, right,

733
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: like like they were calling that on the false start

734
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: on the field goal. So the other interesting thing about that,

735
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: in reading the Browns comments afterwards, was so when they

736
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: got moved back five yards, they then elected to kick

737
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: the field goal from one yard shorter. It should have

738
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: been a sixty one yard attempt if you're by a

739
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: normal operation, but the Browns shorted it. They moved up

740
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: to the sixty yard line just to give themselves at

741
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: a little bit closer for Kad York, which ended up

742
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: backfiring on them. It's just just classic Browns, just classic,

743
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: just amazing. I mean, I don't know that they would have.

744
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a long field goal. And like we're

745
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: spoiled because we can see Justin Tucker do it all

746
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: the time that you're like, yeah, sure, yeah, give me right. Well,

747
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I think Kade York hit a really long one to

748
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: win a game earlier this year, and let me find

749
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: the distance on that, bad boy. Go ahead, you keep

750
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: you keep yapping. Yeah, I mean, like even if, first

751
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: of all, the Ravens all said after the game that

752
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: they needed a fifty eight yard or fifty eight yard

753
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: or in week won to win the game. Yeah, so

754
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: you're you're back trying to distance. And the Ravens said

755
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: multiple times in previous kicks that like the ball was low.

756
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Millie Harrison said, like earlier in the game he felt

757
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: one like whizz by his ear. He was like, all right,

758
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: so I know I'm gonna get one at some point.

759
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Clary's Campbell said the same thing. So like the rains,

760
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is moving it up a yard made

761
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: that trajectory even lower, even lower, and and then it's

762
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: a longer kick, so like then it's gonna be low

763
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: even you know, even lower guy who's kicking a low

764
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, the holders moved up a yard and it's

765
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: long kick. It's a it's a bad recipe. And then

766
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: the last thing I'll just say on that is like,

767
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: even if let's just say he makes it, there's a

768
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of time left that would have tied the game

769
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: and the Ravens would have had an opportunity there to

770
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: basically get to midfield and then Justin Tucker to bomb

771
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: sixty eight yard field goals. So, um, so the Ravens

772
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: right right, you're saying the Ravens win either way. Yes, yeah,

773
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean they would have had two minutes. They would

774
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: have had two minutes and I don't know how many

775
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: time outs, but they were in l right shape. Um.

776
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: You know, I wish I noticed that that dude was

777
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: hitting line drives in warmups and earlier in the game too,

778
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Like I noticed in warm ups and I was watching

779
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: it on his attempts in the game. I was like,

780
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: this dude is a line drive kicker. Would you've done

781
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: the preemptive tweet? I really wish I would have done

782
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: the preemptive tweet, or at least at least verbalize it

783
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: to you. I'm shocked. I never keep my mouth shut

784
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: when I have an opinion. And I'm really kicking myself

785
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: because but I will say this, I won't get pat

786
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: myself too much on the back. I did not then

787
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: equate that too, you know what, Like the Ravens are

788
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: going to get a block, you know I did. I

789
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: did not think that was coming, but I was like,

790
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: this dude is is a line drive kicker. It was

791
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: just kind of weird. So anyway, special teams, I agree,

792
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: I agree, no credit, but I want partial because I

793
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: just mentioned it on this special. So it's great to

794
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: get to win. But short week, Tampa Bay on Thursday night,

795
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Raven's gotta travel. It's gonna be a tough environment. I

796
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: know the Bucks are struggling right now, but it's still

797
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. There's still a team that has a ton

798
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: of talent. They just won the Super Bowl a couple

799
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: of years ago. So, by no means am I chalking

800
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: this one up? Is an easy dubs um on a

801
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: short week by any means, in a road environment because

802
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: the best football player of all time, well, it's like

803
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: a must must win game for them. The their seasons

804
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: on on the brink kind of right for them too.

805
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: You also love to play like you just have that

806
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: bad taste. You want to play as soon as possible.

807
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: So the Bucks this is probably like the only team

808
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: in NFL history who's like, yeah, I'll take that Thursday

809
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: night game. Now. You know, everybody else like no things. So, um,

810
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: we'll see if we're able to get a guest this week.

811
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: It is a short week, so it's gonna be a

812
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: little challenging with the with the media, uh you kind

813
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: of alignment this week. So if we can, we'll make

814
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: it happen. Um, we gotta get a podcast bump, We gotta,

815
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: we gotta try the album podcast Bump is back alive

816
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: and well alive and well yeah, I think we're just

817
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna bring the whole team on. We're just gonna bring

818
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: the collective team on the podcast and we're gonna get

819
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: that podcast bump and ride this thing out. So thank

820
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: you so much for listening. You can email us a

821
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thanks for all

822
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: the emails we've got today. Again, with those emails, everyone

823
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: who sends it an email is going to go into

824
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: a raffle. And then we've got the helmet that every

825
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: guest who does the podcast is signing, and then we'll

826
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: rapple that off at the end of the season, so

827
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: make sure you keep those emails coming. We really enjoy

828
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Speaker 1: getting us, so thanks so much for listening. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you against in