1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty, and he. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Strong. You have tuned in to a 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: real treasure. It's an arm Strong and Getty replay. 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 4: Well, let's think about the reality that you don't listen 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 4: to the entire twenty hours every week. So there's a 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 4: bunch of stuff even though it's not live, you've never 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 4: heard before. 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: I mean, let's be off and it's pretty good. 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: So kick back and enjoy and arms Strong and Getty replay. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: We are the most pessimistic economically that we have ever been, 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: according to this Wall Street Journal Nork Pole that is out. 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: They found that the share of people who say they 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: have a good chance of improving their standard of living. 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: So that's the question, do you feel like you've got 17 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: a good chance of improving your standard of living? It 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: fell to twenty five percent. That's a record low dating 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: back to nineteen eighty seven. More than that is horrifying. 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: It is horrifying. More than three quarters said they lack 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: confidence that life for the next generation will be better 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: than their own. 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: The Pole found, let me think about that question for 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: a a while. Do I think. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: Do I think that life for my kids will be 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: better than mine? I don't know that I do, but 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it all around economics. Here's a question 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: of preliminary question before you ask that question. Is the 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: American assumption that every generation will be better off than 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: the previous, which began, you know, in the twentieth century 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: when America was, you know, just stood alone as an 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: economic superpower. Is that expectation realistic in the twenty first century, 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: I would argue it's not. 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: No. I think it was a blip in time. 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 1: An odd Yeah, How could you craft any system where 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: you can always expect your kids to do better than you? Well, 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: we could bomb Europe back to the Stone Age and 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: do the same dage, I guess, because that's what it took. 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: The first time. 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: I should ask my plus head start because we're an optimistic, 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: freedom loving, entrepreneurial people, or at least I thought so 42 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: until this poll came out. 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: Back to the Poland just a second minute, and I'll 44 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: tell this story about visiting Iowa and my dad's side 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: of the family with my son. But we're talking to 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 4: my dad and we're at his older sister's house, who's 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: ninety four. She's still alive and as with it as 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: can be. And we all went out eating everything like that. 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: But they're talking about when they were kids and they 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 4: grew up with no electricity, no running water, going to 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 4: school in a horse drawn wagon. I mean, like it 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: was eighteen ten. But I doubt they ever even thought 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 4: about will my economic situation be better than my parents? 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: It's just what are we going to eat today? How 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: do I get warm? I think I don't know where 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 4: we came up with this standard. Well, right, and as 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: baselines go, I mean, it's pretty easy for the next 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: generation to do. 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Better, really right anyway. 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: So it's only twenty five percent of people who say 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: they have a good chance of improving their standard of living, 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: and seventy five percent lack confidence that life for the 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: next generation would be better than our own. Nearly seventy 64 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: percent of people said they believe the American dream that 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: if you work hard, you will get ahead no longer 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: holds true or never did. I don't agree with that, 67 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: the highest level of nearly fifteen years of surveys. 68 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: I do believe that if you work hard, you will 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: get ahead. 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: I think that's clearly true, and you're using and if 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: you don't believe it's true, you're using it as an. 72 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Excuse to not try hard. That's what I believe. 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Will it necessarily get you as far ahead as soon 74 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: as you'd hoped? 75 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: Probably not. Well, are you rich and famous? No? 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: And I know that's the standard for a lot of people. 77 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: If you're not rich and famous, then it was a failure. 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Boy. 79 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Optimism has powered this country since the beginning, since before 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: it was a country. And belief in self anyway more 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: of the numbers, well, so that bothers me way more 82 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: than those other numbers, though that they made the headline 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal, the fact that you can't 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: think you can get ahead, or your kid's going to 85 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: be better off or whatever. 86 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: Okay, you can pick around that. 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: But the idea that if you work hard you'll get ahead, 88 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: very few people believe that. That is the most troubling 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: statistic to me of all. It's defeatism. Where does that 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: come from? 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I find this so troubling. 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: What in your life experience are looking around you leads 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: you to believe that, you know, I can picture people 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: having done all the right things and then their industry 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: changing very suddenly, being rattled by that and having a 96 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: bad attitude about it. I did all the right things, 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: and I still look at me. I'm screwed. That's a 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: discouraging thing, it absolutely is. But the fact that sometimes 99 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out the way you had hoped doesn't 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: mean that your. 101 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Premise wasn't accurate. 102 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: In general, working hard, looking for opportunities, believing in yourself 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: is good. 104 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: It's not only good, it's necessary. 105 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Does it always pan out as quickly as richly as 106 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: blah blah blah? Or sometimes do you get screwed? Yeah, 107 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: certain percentage of the time. Well maybe it's an expectations 108 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: always been well, that's yeah, that's what I'm driving it. 109 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: You said it in far fewer words. 110 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: It's all expectations then, because if you ever have the 111 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: idea that I've gotten into an industry and now I'm 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: set for life, that was an unrealistic expectation. Now here's 113 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: a stupid, stupid aspect of this poll, and that's that 114 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: there's a long standing trend that the party holding the 115 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: White House has. 116 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: A rosier view of the economy than whoever's out of power. 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Fifty five percent of Republicans had a negative view of 118 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the prospects for themselves and their children over half of Republicans. 119 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: It was ninety percent of Democrats ninety percent. Because what 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of message do you think they're giving to those 121 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: aforementioned children? 122 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: Right, good lord. 123 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: Boy, And that's what's that saying that I've never quite understood. 124 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right, yes, 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: but yeah, if you're if you're telling your kids every 126 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 4: day or telling yourself every day, you can't get ahead. 127 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: You just can't. Well let me guess how that's going 128 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: to turn out. 129 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, working hard and looking for opportunities and trying to 130 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: change the world. 131 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: That won't do me any good anyway. So I'm not 132 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: gonna wow, what a depressing poll that is. 133 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, one of the guys behind it, this Stanford 134 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: economics professor, who is one of the good guys that stand. 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to shame Stanford with all of my might 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: as soon as I can. They are just woke and 137 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: sick anyway. But this guy, Neil Mahoney says it sort 138 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: of saddens me. I think one of our superpowers as 139 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: a country is our relentless optimism. It is the fuel 140 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: for entrepreneurship and other exceptional achievements. But it's not just optimism. 141 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: It's also true if you work hard, you will get ahead. Yeah, eventually, sure, 142 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: as opposed to what, by the way, getting ahead by 143 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: not working hard or doing nothing? I mean what, I 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: don't even understand. I barely understand the question. You know, 145 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting and powerful things I've read 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: in the last several years. I can't remember who said this, 147 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: I've got to look it up, but they said success 148 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: is temporary because you. 149 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: Want to go out and prove it again. 150 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,119 Speaker 1: You've got other hills to climb, more challenges to take on, 151 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: or you know, just staying on top so that challenge 152 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: never ends. If you quit, that's permanent. That's the warm, 153 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: huggy blanket of I'm not even gonna try because there's 154 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: no point in it, and everybody's against me, and that's 155 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: why I have a bad life. That is like a 156 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: drug that you take once and it numbs you forever. Hmmm, 157 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: that's why it's so attractive to people. Does that sound 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: ugly and judgmental? 159 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: Good. 160 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: I'm on a big Bruce Springsteen kick, but I remember 161 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: something he said about working hard and getting ahead years ago. 162 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell you about that right after this. He is 163 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: a liberal jack. 164 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: So, like I said, I've been on this big Springsteen 165 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: kick for a while his music, and I started reading 166 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: his autobiography Over the Vacation and everything like that, really 167 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 4: interesting stuff. As an artist, his view of economics and 168 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: politics is insane and it's hard to overlook to enjoy 169 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 4: the music. But I remember seeing a video of him 170 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: way back in the day and he said basically what 171 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: this pole is saying. Unfortunately, he said, they've been selling 172 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 4: that lie forever, and he was talking about working hard 173 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: to get ahead. They've been selling that lie to people 174 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: like us, our whole lives. And I thought, Wow, what 175 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 4: a depressing view of the world that somebody is selling you. 176 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: What advantage did they get out of that? 177 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: What advantage is the somebody getting out of selling you 178 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: the lie that if you work hard you'll get ahead, 179 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: And what is your alternative method? Again, I can barely 180 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: wrap my head around the premise of this. Well, I 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: think like half wit Marxist, like Bruce, and he's not 182 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: a half wit in general. He's a very good writer, 183 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: but he just he has practically a child's view of 184 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: these things. He would say, Well, they convince you to 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: go down to the factory and bust your ass and 186 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: you wear out your back and then you're still poor, 187 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: and that's the lie they're selling. Well, dude, you figured 188 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: out what you were good at then worked like crazy 189 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: to become successful at it. I know you're story. Why 190 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: is that true for you? But it's a fantasy for 191 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: everybody else because you're the special man or you just 192 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: got lucky or what. I just I don't understand the reasoning. Yeah, 193 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: you know it's weird about this poll. Is the number 194 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: of people who rate the economy as excellent or good 195 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: is up significantly. 196 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, there is will last and it sucks. It was 197 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: a different poll last week while you're gone. But there 198 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: is a certain amount of Oh, I'm fine, but it's 199 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 4: bad for everybody else that's going on in polling right now, 200 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: which is a strange phenomenon. 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. 202 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: I think we're going to be okay my family, but 203 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: it's really rough out there for everybody else, which is 204 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: its own weird negativity. Right right now, housing is really 205 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: really difficult now for young people, it's brutally hard. 206 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: So what are you going to do? Quit? 207 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Because ninety percent of Democrats think there's no point. I mean, 208 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: that's that's a miserable philosophy of life. It really is, 209 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know. I'm profoundly discouraged about 210 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: humanity right now. We are not facing you, your kids, 211 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: your grandkids, your great grandparents. All of us face our 212 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: own set of challenges in the times we live. And 213 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: sometimes it's world wars. Sometimes it's horrific pandemics. Sometimes it's 214 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: just pretty bad pandemics that the government fs up the 215 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: response so badly it makes everybody miserable. Anyway, everybody has 216 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: their own list, every single generation that's ever lived. Just 217 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: because guys could stumble out of high school in nineteen 218 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: fifty onto an assembly line and make a good living 219 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: and raise a couple of kids, then retire with a 220 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: pension for like a blip, that's not where our expectations 221 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: need to be said. It's just not a good way 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: to be a human being. Try to be good at 223 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: being a human being. 224 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: That's a good tea shirt. 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: Try to be good at being a human being. Us 226 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: listening to a podcast over the weekend where some journalists 227 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: were talking about how they use AI in their lives 228 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: and where they think it's going. The where they think 229 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: it's going part, everybody had a different guess, and boy, 230 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: who knows, We don't know, but how. 231 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: They were using it now. 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: One Washington Post reporter talking about how every article she 233 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: runs through AI to look for any logical inconsistencies or 234 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, I thought was really interesting because 235 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: at some point, I mean, that's what being a good 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: writer is, right, is the ability to not do that. 237 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: And now you can use AI. So does that eliminate 238 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of the talent involved in being a 239 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Washington Post level reporter? About three quarters of the articles 240 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: I read from the Washington Post have giant logical inconsistencies 241 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: in them. 242 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: Well, this is one of the good reporters, but good 243 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: in my opinion. I thought that was interesting in a 244 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: more frivolous way for using AI. And I would assume 245 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: soon every car is going to have AI in it. 246 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: So Tesla's have groc in it now, because that's Elon's 247 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: AI that he's put billions of dollars into, and it's 248 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: right there in your car, and I can just tap 249 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 4: the screen and like yesterday, we're listening to a jazz 250 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 4: song on the way to eat breakfast And I just 251 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: tapped Groc. I said, hey, who's playing trumpet on this song? 252 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: And the AI chick said, oh, that's Wayne Shorter. Isn't 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: it amazing? He really kills it on here, she says 254 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: to me, and again, cool and disturbing. Cool and disturbing. 255 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: And my kids are like, I hate that. They hated 256 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 4: the voice and the way it sounded so like conversational. 257 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: It's it is kind of weird. You're a silicon chip. 258 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 4: Why do you have an opinion on jazz? 259 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: And I said, hey, Groc, I'm taking my two boys 260 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: to ihop for pancakes. 261 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: Is that a good idea? Nutritionally? Oh boy, that's a 262 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: tough one. She says. 263 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 4: Pancakes are loaded with carbs. If you go with the 264 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: whole grain, it'd be a lot better. And don't use 265 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 4: the syrup. But you know they are, she says, but 266 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: they are delicious. And leave out the butter too. Boys, 267 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: here's some nice, dry, whole week pan and my and 268 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 4: my high schooler in the back seat says, stop doing that. 269 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: I hate this thing. And I said, hey, Groc. My 270 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: high schooler only answers in one word questions, Is there 271 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: anything I can do about that, and she. 272 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: Said, oh, high schoolers can be so surly. 273 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just hormones and sometimes that stop. Oh wow, 274 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: that's very funny. That is hilarious. It is weird how 275 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: she talks to you, though, Yeah, and I wonder how 276 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: other people react. My natural reaction and then watching my 277 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: kids their natural reaction to that conversational weird buddies style 278 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: is like revulsion. 279 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: I mean, right, it's a. 280 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: Tardy, uncanny valley syndrome, which is what that's things that 281 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: are nearly human disturb us. It must not disturb everybody 282 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: is I've heard stories of people getting into relationships or 283 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: whatever with their AI. I'm immediately turned off by the 284 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: fact that it's trying to sound like a person. It 285 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: gives me the willies, like practically chills. Well, right, but 286 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: you proved my point, your point right there. You hear 287 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: these stories about people who get into relationships with AI 288 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: or the AI helps them kill themselves or whatever. Yes, 289 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: they don't sense the weirdness in the threat there. 290 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: So they end up being swept away by it. 291 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's funny, how odd, how repulsed my kids 292 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: were to her, her tone of voice, in the way 293 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: she talked just dad, you gotta stop. 294 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: It's killing me. That's interesting. Good. 295 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: I hope that we all react that way. Of course, 296 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna. 297 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Get better at it. I don't know. 298 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Again, you're a bag of silicon chips. I'll tell you 299 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: anything you want to know. I don't care. You're not 300 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: a person. 301 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: It's weird. Although the privacy thing is, you know, significant. 302 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you assume that soon every car will have this 303 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: it within five years? 304 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: I don't see why not. 305 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's pretty handy for the like the 306 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: song thing was cool, or uh, we want to go 307 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: to I Hop? Is there one around here? Oh yeah, 308 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: just go up two blocks and turn left. You know 309 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff is pretty handy. Asking how to 310 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: raise teenagers, I don't know. Maybe that crosses a line. 311 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: You like I hop more than anybody I've ever known. 312 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: They make great pancakes. They're good at pancakes. 313 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: Their other stuff is marginal, But if you want a pancake, 314 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: they're pretty good at it. 315 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the mail. 316 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: You know what the main thing is though, and this 317 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: probably makes your point not mine, the diversity, because it's international, right, 318 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: there's not a line every other breakfast place we want 319 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: to go to especially on a Sunday, it's going to 320 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: be an hour wait, and we ain't waiting an hour 321 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: to eat our breakfast. I go to, I hop, we 322 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: walk and we leave. Nobody wants so you can just 323 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: sit right down. That's that's a good recommendation. 324 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: No kidding here to tell you your name will be 325 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: just down. Cost you that armstrong and getting on the man. 326 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: That's the podcast. Subscribe right now are. 327 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 4: So one of the biggest topics in America. Yesterday and 328 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: we talked about it a lot, was the so called 329 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 4: National report Card on our schools that came out that 330 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 4: showed once again they are headed in the wrong direction, 331 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: as they have been for three decades at least. The 332 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: coverage of it was exactly what I expected. Unfortunately, it 333 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: was blamed on COVID and then they would mention this 334 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: at a time that the Trump administration has fired half 335 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 4: of the people in the Department of Education. Uh, neither 336 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 4: of those things really relevant, as the numbers have been 337 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: going down, as I pointed out, for decades, and you know, 338 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 4: COVID didn't help, but it's not the cause by any 339 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: means whatsoever. 340 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: Well, and the idea that your child learns to read 341 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: and write because of the federal Department of Education. Is hilarious, right, 342 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's a canard? Is they say it's a falsehood? 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: Please? 344 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, and these minor and overblown duties and just tracking 345 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: test scores and forcing schools to adopt progressive policies for 346 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: the last several years. This data was from before those 347 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: firings happened, anyway, But I guess the idea from the 348 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: media is now, we're going to try to fix this 349 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: with half of the Department of Education. What makes What 350 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: is it that leads you to. 351 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 4: Believe that more government, more at the federal level, is 352 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 4: what would fix this anyway? 353 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: And where where's that come from? 354 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: Oh? And then I wanted to throw in, as I 355 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: mentioned last hour, an eighth grader I know, talking about 356 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: being in science class yesterday with kids looking at their phones. 357 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: That didn't get discussed yesterday. 358 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: How prevalent is that around the country, kids having phone 359 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: in the phones in the classroom. 360 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: That's insane to me. 361 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: I can't believe that lasts five minutes, yes, let alone 362 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: school by school, the whole classroom people are just sitting 363 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: there looking their phones. I was told that a couple 364 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: of girls sitting there with earbuds in watching. 365 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: Videos on their phone. 366 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Of course you're not learning. Oh my god. Yeah. I 367 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: think it's a majority of states now have banned smartphones 368 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: in classrooms. But whether it's enforced or not, is you know, veries. 369 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: I'd imagine state by state, and even district by district. 370 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Certainly Blue County to Red County, there's probably a difference. 371 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: We got this email from a twenty year school marm. 372 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: As she describes herself, I'm a twenty year veteran teacher, 373 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: having taught almost every grade K through eight. I've spent 374 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: the last seven or so years in kindergarten, and I 375 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 1: agree with all of your takes on public schools and 376 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: why we are failing. I believe very strongly the teachers' 377 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: unions and the inability to retain students our main obstacles 378 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: to real and effective positive change. Some other food for thought, 379 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: what was the number of retain meaning hold back or flunk? 380 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: We think we used to call it flunk you flunked 381 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: second grade now, and then they called it held back. 382 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: Now I noticed they call it retain. Yeah, you're not 383 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 4: allowed to retain people? Why you can't read or do 384 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: math at the grade level you're in right now. Why 385 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: would I move you on to the next. 386 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Grade, says the administrator, because that's easier for me. It'd 387 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: be super hard to justify to the parents and tutor 388 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: this kid and get them caught up to speed. 389 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: It's super easy to pass them on. 390 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: Part of that, there's a number of reasons. Part of 391 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: it is the whole self esteem movement. It would hurt 392 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 4: the kid's self esteem. 393 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: Well, you're not going to help their self esteem by 394 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: sending them out in the world where they can't read 395 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: or do math, and they can't work a job. That's 396 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: pretty hard on your self esteem too. 397 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 398 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, some intriguing questions from the veteran teacher. What 399 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: was the per capita number of books or books per 400 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: household twenty years ago? How about the minutes per day 401 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: that children interact with crayons, scissors Plato before the age 402 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: of five twenty years ago, is compared to now? We 403 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: have kindergarteners arriving to school where we are now expected 404 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: to send them to first grade as readers, who cannot identify, 405 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: much less write their name, nor do they know how 406 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: to use crayons, and they've spent the first five years 407 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: coloring with fingertips on screens. I could go on, and 408 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out here that and a person could 409 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: certainly say, well, this is the computer age. They don't 410 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: need croons or you know whatever. But unfortunately, as study 411 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: after study has shown, handwriting is an incredible stimulator of 412 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: your brain, connecting the mechanical with the cerebral. We're talking 413 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: about your brain, and there's practically no substitute for it 414 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: for developing your brain. 415 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: But I'm true. 416 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: But it's not the same though, when you're coloring in 417 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 4: with your finger on a tablet, because I've done that 418 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: with my kids when they would do that, it's. 419 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: Very similar either sort of motion or writing. You're found 420 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: writing with your finger instead of holding a pen. I 421 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: don't know why that would be much different. I am 422 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: absolutely deeply in agreement with the need for a complete 423 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: overhaul with the way public schools operate government schools, but 424 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: we have to talk about the ways that families are 425 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: or not setting their children and teachers up for success 426 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: with what they are doing with their children before they 427 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: reach the school doors. Thanks for beating the drums for sanity, 428 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: k Ta Kacas. Keep talking about our crazy ass schools. 429 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: It's a twenty year school, marm. I will tell you this, 430 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: and this is a statement that any sane, decent person 431 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: must agree with. 432 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: That's a good setup. 433 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: And I will take all commers who deny that we 434 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: need to approach the failings of our government schools and 435 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: the failings more generally, of our kids to learn and 436 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: achieve with completely open eyes and honesty. And there can 437 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: be no sacred cows spared. If they shouldn't be spared. Teachers' unions, 438 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: we hammer them all the time. No, you do not 439 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: get to hide behind your rhetoric anymore. There can't be 440 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: any fear of quote unquote blaming the victims. There can't 441 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: be any fear of coming off as racist or what 442 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: have you when you and your progressive policies do them 443 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: little black kids and brown kids or whatever to low 444 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: achievement and failure. That's not being nice to them. That's 445 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could do to them. It's got 446 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: to be dealt with honestly and bluntly. And don't have 447 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of hope that that's going to happen. And 448 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: as we pointed out yesterday, and I was going to 449 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: try to dredge up this article again by the absolutely 450 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: brilliant Harvard economists whose name is flitted out of my 451 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: head because I'm old. 452 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: They figured out how. 453 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: To turn around schools, and they successfully in Houston, poor 454 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: schools with poor kids. It's known what to do, but 455 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: the educational industrial complex has no interest in that. Schools 456 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: don't exist to teach your childs anymore, your children anymore. 457 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: They exist as a jobs program and a political patronage program. 458 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: There's me. 459 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 4: They're still doing the test scores up on CBS. I'm 460 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 4: happy to see because that should be a topic, and 461 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: it has gone down ten points. I forget if it 462 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: was reading or math, which one it was, but one 463 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: of them has gone down ten points in the thirty 464 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: years they've been tracking it for seniors. That's an amazing 465 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 4: drop given how much more money we spend per pupil 466 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 4: on schools across the country. More money, less results. But 467 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: one of my blind spots would be, you know, I 468 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: only know my own socioeconomic experience. I don't know what 469 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: it's like for most of the country, or you know, 470 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 4: the bottom third or whatever of schools. Because that person 471 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 4: that just wrote about kids showing up to kindergarten without 472 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: any of the skills that kindergarteners used to have. God, 473 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: where I live, the kids show up, they've already know 474 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: how to play the cello and speaking of their language, 475 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: and they've been to Europe and all these different things. 476 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: But what I've always. 477 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 4: Wondered is it seems like the like kindergarten, first grade 478 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: is so much more advanced than it was when I 479 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 4: was a kid. Where does the drop off occur from 480 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: your doing like math that we used to do in 481 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: seventh grade in first grade, but then somewhere in between 482 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 4: it like falls off a cliff. 483 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: That's what I don't. 484 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to see up on the screen they're 485 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: talking about it, and it says American kids test scores 486 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: declining it should be talked about. It is a couldn't 487 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: hardly be a bigger deal. Like I said, the as 488 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 4: usual finger pointing goes in the wrong direction. 489 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, the dominant media, like the media, excuse me, we 490 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: will all be saying, therefore, we need more money, right and. 491 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: Then so what. 492 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: We've been throwing more money at it and it's been 493 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: going the wrong direction. You'd think for for decades, you'd 494 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: think that'd be enough to say, Okay, we gotta try 495 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: something different. 496 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd think. 497 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: But you Spanish progressivism has is their scam is easier 498 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: to sell than the truth. 499 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 4: But you said blue states, Red states with like phones 500 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: in the classroom. I don't know is that the way 501 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 4: it would break down? What's the blue state argument for 502 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 4: phones in a classroom. 503 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: I've heard various arguments about. 504 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: You know, the progressive parents who tend to vote in 505 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: blue states say I need to be able to get 506 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: together with my to connect with my kids, they've got 507 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: to have their phone. And I would I would be 508 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: willing to bet a substantial sum of money that helicopter 509 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: parenting snowplow parenting is more prevalent in progressive families than 510 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: in conservative families. 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McCrone 537 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 4: understands that they're on a course of disaster and he 538 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: has been choosing people to be in his government that 539 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 4: agree with him, and uh, not enough voters agree. I guess, 540 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: so France's government I'm reading for The New York Post 541 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: some of it and from other publications. France's government was 542 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 4: toppled in a vote of no confidence yesterday, forcing Emmanuel 543 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 4: Macron to search for his fourth prime minister in the 544 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 4: last year and throwing EU's second largest economy into chaos. 545 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: The premiere was ousted overwhelmingly huge vote three sixty four 546 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: to one to ninety four, not even close against him 547 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 4: losing an apparent gamble the lawmakers would back his push 548 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 4: for France to slash public spending to repay its debts. 549 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: That's the crazy idea that he had. Let's cut our 550 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: spending so we can pay down our debts. And he 551 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: got overwhelmingly trounced. He was voted out, ending his short 552 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: lived minority government after being appointed by Macron just in December. Yeah, 553 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: left wing and right wing joined together and said, yeah, 554 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: let's toss out the moderates and we'll fight for the scraps. 555 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 4: The former president now admitted Monday that his last speech 556 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: as Prime minister was a gamble to tackle France's debt 557 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: crisis by standing by his unpopular economic plan, and it 558 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: didn't pay off. 559 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: At the end of the. 560 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: First quarter of twenty twenty five. France's public debt started 561 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: at three point nine to three trillion, hilarious number by 562 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 4: US standards. Obviously about four trillion dollars, but that's one 563 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 4: hundred and fourteen percent of gross to mess stick product. 564 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 4: When you go over one hundred percent, it's supposed to 565 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: be like serious doomsday spiral. 566 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: By the way, just in case. 567 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 4: You were wondering, the US debt to GDP ratio is 568 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 4: one hundred and nineteen percent. France is doing better than 569 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: us at this point. 570 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: Wow wow wow. 571 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 4: The former president hoped to cut debt. Included a bid 572 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 4: to push a fifty one billion dollars savings plan that 573 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 4: called for scrapping two public holidays. They have a public 574 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: holiday a week practically in France. He wanted to get 575 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: rid of two of them. 576 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: No, you can't do it. 577 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: And freezing government spending at its current level, not cutting 578 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: like this is what happened with the Tea Party. You're 579 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: not even trying to cut, You're just trying to cut 580 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: the rate of growth, and you get. 581 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Killed for it. They're doomed, they are, and so are we. 582 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 4: True, the greatest risk was not to take a chance, 583 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 4: he said, to let things go on without changing anything 584 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: to go on doing politics as usual, he said in 585 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 4: his final space. Each the nation is facing a. 586 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Silent, underground, invisible and unbearable hemorrhage of excessive public borrowing. 587 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: Submission to debt is like submission through military force dominated 588 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: by weapons, or dominated by our creditors because of a 589 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: debt that is submerging us. In both cases we lose 590 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: our freedom. That's what got voted against. 591 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: And the unions and the leftists said no, we want 592 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: to keep getting stuff. And here's my favorite thing, he 593 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: said in his final speech. 594 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: You have the power to overthrow my government, but you 595 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: do not have the power to erase reality. 596 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: Wow. That is some good ass right there. Wow. Reality 597 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: remains inexorable. 598 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Spending will continue to increase, and the debt burden, already unbearable, 599 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: will grow heavier and more costly. 600 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: Good lord, how are there so. 601 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Few grown ups in Western civilization willing to stand up 602 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: and say this? Well, they do, and you get voted 603 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: out immediately by bye the left and the right. 604 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 605 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking about you know, the US obviously reading 606 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: about France, and we're just a couple of generations, I 607 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: guess away from politicians who would not vote for unsustainable debt. 608 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: They would consider that a horrible betrayal of the trust 609 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: placed in them. They would consider it personally immoral and 610 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: a crime against the kids and the grandkids. You just 611 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: you could not get somebody to vote for what everybody 612 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: votes for now, And I find myself wondering whether a 613 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: democracy with our current you know, a moral view of overspending, 614 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: can save itself. 615 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 4: By the way, just back to France briefly, that the 616 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: decision to boot boot him out created means there's no 617 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 4: dominant political block for the first time in France's modern 618 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 4: political history. 619 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 1: I don't quite understand those systems, but they are in 620 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot of terms over there. But back to you've 621 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: got to cobble together a multi party coalition that you 622 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: can't get anything done. Back to his quote that I 623 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: love so much. You had the power to overthrow the government. 624 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: You do not have the power to erase reality. God 625 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: dang it, that's the whole reality. Bats last. 626 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: You can. 627 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Ignore the growing debt and how it's unsustainable, and all 628 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 1: these programs are going to go broke for a while, 629 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: but the pain only gets worse. The pain that you 630 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: will not may will suffer at some point is only 631 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: going to be worse the longer you wait. 632 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 633 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, there's a new report out in France about their 634 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: educational system and how it's just failing miserably sound familiar 635 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: and for the first time now experts educators. There's a 636 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: book out that's made a huge wave in France. It said, look, 637 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: we've had rampant immigration, just unfettered immigration, and now one 638 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: in five grade five essentially students speak a language other 639 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: than French at home, and forty one percent of under 640 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: fours are immigrants or immigrants children's and they're transforming the schools. 641 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: That number on speaking French at home is astounding. 642 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, more than one in five year five pupils speak 643 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: a language other than French at home. And much like 644 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: in Britain, we've been discussing this and Germany, and Germany's 645 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: a little behind Britain, but they're heading in the same 646 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: direction in France too, where it was just agreed upon, 647 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: it was literally agreed upon, I think it was in Germany. 648 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: I've got that around here somewhere by all of the 649 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: the major parties that we won't blame this on immigration, 650 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: all right, you don't bring it up, and we won't 651 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: bring it up and they made a behind the scenes agreement. 652 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: But now the people in Britain and France and Germany 653 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we are talking about it. 654 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it loudly. 655 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: And things are nutty in Europe right now, politically speaking. 656 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: Where it goes nobody knows. 657 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you combine popular disgust with being betrayed by 658 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: the elites, the immigration thing, especially in the Islamization of 659 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: European countries. They've allowed, you know, enormous numbers of people 660 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: who despise their very principles in their way of life. Anyway, 661 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: you combine that with the populist Once I get a benefit, 662 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: I will never accept you scaling anything back. 663 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: Where does that go? 664 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: Why is there such a small number of us who 665 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: are willing to accept the pain that has to happen. 666 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: Right now, I realize my taxes are going to go up, 667 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: and eye hate my tax that's going up, and I'm 668 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: not on many government services, so I wouldn't notice those 669 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: being cut. But it's got to happen, So bring it on, 670 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: like tomorrow, let's do it tomorrow. 671 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 672 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: Well, because those who profit from the status quo are 673 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: very very good at spinning the politics It is so 674 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: much easier to say, not only do you deserve it, 675 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: but I'm going to give it to you, and say 676 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: we can't give it to you anymore. And here's why 677 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: taxes or sales pitch is so easy.