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Speaker 1: This is WSV the Solid Verbals Friday News Broadcast.

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Speaker 2: My name is Ty Hildebrandt. My co host, as always

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Speaker 2: is Dan Rubinstein. You give us a download, We'll give

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Speaker 1: perks throughout the course of the week. Let's start where

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Speaker 1: we always do. Though things to know on this Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: Inns and out lineups and staves are changing, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's fun to say. Also, who's the boss? It's our

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Speaker 1: long lost preview of and UNC, which we forgot to

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Speaker 1: do on Wednesday. And of course, as we do every

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Speaker 1: so often, Bill Connelly from ESPN dot com will be by.

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Speaker 1: He is on your side. He will dive deep into

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Speaker 1: the numbers, into his rankings and keep you posted on

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Speaker 1: what you should know. But we start at this hour

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Speaker 1: with the ins and outs of college football. Florida quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: quote know the plan as it relates to their own

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Speaker 1: job split going into the big matchup this weekend at

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Speaker 1: home against the Alabama Crimson Tide. Also, Brock Purty still

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Speaker 1: at time of recording, the quarterback for Iowa State, despite

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a rocky go here in the

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Speaker 1: early going through two weeks of their own season out

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Speaker 1: there in Ames, Iowa, Casey Thompson has been named the

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Speaker 1: and the Texas Longhorns. Tennessee meanwhile, is still undecided as

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Speaker 1: to whether it'll be Joe Milton or Hendon Hooker going

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Speaker 1: into this week's games. And finally, Carrie Coombs. Kerry Coombs,

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Speaker 1: still the defensive coordinator at Ohio State, has not gone

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Speaker 1: great through two weeks in Columbus, but still the guy,

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Speaker 1: though Ryan Day says he is evaluating structural changes needed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: any of those jump out at you, Dan, and what

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Speaker 1: should we know?

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Speaker 2: I mean. The Florida quarterback situation is the big one

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Speaker 2: is just how much do they trust Anthony Richardson ahead

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Speaker 2: of Alabama because he is so far against their two

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Speaker 2: not super impressive opponents. The Gators early opponents Electric, absolutely

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Speaker 2: see how he's used. Tennessee playing Tennessee Tech this week.

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Speaker 2: So either way, whether or not it's Joe Milton or

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Speaker 2: assume Tennessee will be all right. We'll see. It's been

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Speaker 2: a weird season against some FCS schools. Otherwise, Yeah, Ohio

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Speaker 2: know this. It's going to be somebody very good and expensive,

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Speaker 2: and Ohio States defense will improve because from where they

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Speaker 2: were a couple of years ago, and yes, they had

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Speaker 2: Chase Young, it's just not acceptable not to say that

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Speaker 2: they would have beaten Oregon with a better defense. Still

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Speaker 2: a tougher challenge, but they would have probably had a

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Speaker 2: that RPO attack. North Carolina's playing Virginia and we'd really

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty good game. It's a rag. North Carolina

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Speaker 2: Brendan Armstrong having a good year. I don't mean to

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Speaker 2: Virginia North Carolina games in Chapel Hill, North Carolina and

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Speaker 1: Thoughts, I think that I would favor Virginia Okay, on

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Speaker 1: the Virginia program is in a state of relative stability.

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Speaker 1: They're never going to get to a point where they're

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Speaker 1: winning eleven games here in and year out right, But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's Bill and Mary and Illinois

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be better than they were a year

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Speaker 1: This is definitely going to be a test of a

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Speaker 2: Then we agree, yes, tie. In these chaotic times, we

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Speaker 2: of course we here at WSV News Radio, a completely

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Speaker 2: What has your let's say, what is your human reaction

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Speaker 3: My main human reaction is we have white out on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: Bill.

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Speaker 1: You're a nice guy, You're a very talented writer, and

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Speaker 1: those are the reasons that we like to bring you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you judge a game like Auburn Penn State.

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Speaker 3: I would have said Iowa. I wanted to say Iowa.

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Speaker 4: Ready, like you know that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they had the pick sixes against Indiana that made

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Speaker 4: So now I'm less sure that one. I was almost

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Speaker 2: We like saying, win your clunkers. Right, you don't play well,

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Speaker 4: Iowa is on that list.

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Speaker 3: Of it when you think about the profile. And urban

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Speaker 1: Vegas odds. When it comes to the Bama Florida game,

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Speaker 3: I think earlier in the year, it's spplus is a

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Speaker 3: Where the best teams aren't necessarily as far spread out

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And then Georgia embarrassed UAB by like

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Speaker 4: If you dominate long enough like your s.

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Speaker 3: come on, my hopes up with this right? And they didn't,

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Speaker 4: But it's just it's early and conservative.

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Speaker 1: It's still amazing to me. And look, you're the statistician

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Speaker 4: It's driving me crazy.

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Speaker 1: Arizona State by two over BYU that point spread is

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Speaker 1: It's still pretty damn good even in the early going

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Speaker 1: how does that happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's it's driving me crazy because right now,

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Speaker 3: It does seem that I haven't ever gone back and

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Speaker 3: how frequently it varied two to three or six or

437
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Speaker 3: seven or whatever points. But there's no question I look

438
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 3: at a lot of these. I'm just going through the

439
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 3: list like god Like, it's just going to be like,

440
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: does kicker A make a field goal in the third quarter?

441
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: That's going to decide how good s PPLUS does this week.

442
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: And it's kind of kind of driving me crazy.

443
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Speaker 1: What game is most interesting to you in week three?

444
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: So we've got some headliners who've got the Bama Florida one,

445
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: which we talked through. I am just incredibly curious about

446
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: the Auburn Penn State game, if only because we don't

447
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: have really a book on Auburn at this juncture. There

448
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: are a few interesting non conference matchups I mentioned Miami

449
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: Michigan State, The ASU b YU game late at night

450
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: will be really fascinating.

451
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: Do you Cli Fresno come on?

452
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: Frankly, Cincinnati at Indiana I think is a really important

453
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: game for both teams. You've got that one at about

454
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: ten points per your sp plus what jumps off the

455
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Speaker 1: page to you bill as maybe that lynch Pin game

456
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: in Week three that will just give us a lot

457
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Speaker 1: of clarity as we progress forward through this season.

458
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to say Alabama Florida. I just

459
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: I need to see Florida. I just I need to

460
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: see Florida. Anybody stay close to Alabama before I'll believe it,

461
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: So we'll skip that one. But no, I mean, Auburn

462
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: has looked as good as possible, and now they get

463
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: a real test.

464
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: That's really interesting. Plus Penn States kind.

465
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: Of undefeated, kind of top ten program, and Ohio State

466
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: has looked vulnerable defensively, especially, so this could still be

467
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: a very, very big game for Penn State as well.

468
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you already mentioned one of it,

469
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: like the PAC twelve after Dark potential of Arizona State

470
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 3: BYU and Fresno State UCLA is crazy high, and there's

471
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: no way those games live up to the expectations I've

472
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 3: already built in my head about how crazy they could get.

473
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: So that's going to be a lot of fun.

474
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michigan State Miami is interesting just because Michigan State

475
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: might be good.

476
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: We don't. I mean, we'll see.

477
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: But they jumped from like fifty first at the start

478
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: of the year to thirty third and sp plus Miami

479
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: avoided the Bama hangover app States pretty good. They managed

480
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: to win that game at the last minute and avoid that.

481
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: That to two starts that they might kind of have

482
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: their sea legs now. Two games that have massive chaos potential,

483
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 3: just in terms of silliness and points.

484
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Speaker 4: And all the things we tend to enjoy.

485
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: Virginia North Carolina they had they come by for like

486
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: eighty five points last year, and Virginia's offense is wild

487
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 3: and weird and creative and better than it was last year.

488
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: We'll see about North Carolina's offense. It looked fine against

489
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: Georgia State. Obviously, just two lane oldness is like the ultimate,

490
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: like turn off your brain and just enjoy the crap

491
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: out of this because they are going to be points

492
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: and silliness and two Lane's offenses is witty.

493
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: Can an offense be witty? Because two Lanes is.

494
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: Kind of down that road a little bit, and their

495
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: quarterbacks pretty good, so all of those are going to

496
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: be super fun. And then I'll also shout out North

497
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: Central at Wheaton at the D three level. If you

498
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: hop on the on the Wheaton Thunder YouTube channel as

499
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to do on Saturday night.

500
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Speaker 2: Of course, they have like a.

501
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: Train going by their station. It's too Top five teams

502
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: and D three. It's going to be fun too.

503
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: Wow. One of the things that you have been able

504
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: to incorporate with the sp plus, especially now that you've

505
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: been at ESPN and I think you have more access to,

506
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, more detailed analytics, is individual player metrics. Right,

507
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: it's tackling percentage and it's you know, one of the

508
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: things I love looking at is the percentage of runs

509
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: from running backs that go over five yards, Like you know,

510
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: when averages can lie. You know, runner doesn't have a

511
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: great game, then he bust out an eighty yard run

512
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: and everything else is two yards of carry. I love

513
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: percentage of runs over five yards. So what are you

514
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: What are the pet metrics that you've had that you've

515
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: that you've loved in terms of this is especially accurate

516
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: in terms of a descriptor of a player's ability and production.

517
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: And this is and I hate putting you on the spot,

518
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: but you're generally really good at it. Players who are

519
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: popping early early.

520
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to sift through the early data, so

521
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: I'm not completely sure about players here, although as I speak,

522
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: I will now try to pull up a report that

523
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: gives me an answer by the time I'm done speaking. Now,

524
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing from it, from the perspective of

525
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: like having the chart in data and everything else that

526
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: I have now is the receiver data we've got.

527
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: Okay, you know you can.

528
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: Focus in on, you know, and obviously this is we

529
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: get sports Info solutions and it's just their interpretations of things.

530
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: But the amount of route data, you know what, right,

531
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: you know what routes are guys running the most, the

532
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: air yardage data in regard to how many of their

533
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, how often are you throwing behind the line

534
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: of scrimmage zero to ten yards and all that. Just

535
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: being able to really kind of hammer out a personality

536
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: of different offenses and especially different passing games, that's been

537
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: really really fun.

538
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: You know, those those.

539
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: Passing charts that I've been tweeting out too, that comes

540
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: from one of our tools as well, and just looking

541
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: at you know, where guys are throwing the ball on

542
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: the field, where they're throwing it. Well, yeah, Desmond Ritter

543
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: apparently has like the best deep ball in the world now,

544
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: it's like four for four on passes thirty plus yards.

545
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: I think he completed like five all of last year.

546
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 3: So that's been just being able to dive into that

547
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: level of granular detail has been super super fun.

548
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: And you know, was there anybody coming out of last

549
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: year when you had that data? Obviously a different year

550
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: in terms of sample size where when you were previewing

551
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: games even forget the first couple of games because there's

552
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: just no sample size and teams have not played similar

553
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: schedules yet. But players coming out of last year where

554
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, man, this dude is a stud, he's

555
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: unblockable and this supports it, or this receiver was especially

556
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: great running this route. I'm so excited to watch them

557
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: against better teams. Like, obviously again it's on the spot,

558
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: and feel free to turn me down once again. But like,

559
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: who excited you before the season in terms of what

560
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: jumped out to you?

561
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 3: Well, I think to you guys, who, Yeah, there's a

562
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: really fun measure that's that Sports Infos Solutions measures. It's

563
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: just yards per route, Like never mind your yards per

564
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: target or catch or whatever, but just the amount you're

565
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: on the field running a route in a passing and

566
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: like on a past a called pass, like how often,

567
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: like how many yards are you gaining for every one

568
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: of those? And so I just pulled up the list

569
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: there to see what's changed so far this year, and

570
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: you've got some basics. You know, you've got Khalil shakirat

571
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: Boise State doing really well in that regard, And that

572
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: was one of the guys I was really curious about.

573
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: He was deceptively he was like the one.

574
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: Guy the Boise State used to make big plays last year,

575
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: and I was curious how that would change with a

576
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: new coach.

577
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: I can tell you very specifically he has run of

578
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 4: his routes have been short routes this year.

579
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: And I have no idea if that's impressive or not,

580
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: but that he's been really good this year. And I

581
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: was really curious how Kentucky was going to use Wandale Robinson.

582
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: You know, with this new offensive coordinator, they're still going

583
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: to run the ball as much as they possibly can,

584
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 3: as Missouri learned last week. But when they throw, what

585
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: do they do and how much how do they use

586
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: Wandale Robinson? I can say he's averaging five point three

587
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: yards per route, which is crazy good.

588
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: At the end of the year. If you've averaged over

589
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: like three, you did really well. Two even is really good.

590
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: But I can say that he is.

591
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: Let's see sixteen percent, shallow routes, eighteen percent, hook routes,

592
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: vertical routes eighteen percent of the time, which is kind

593
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: of a normal number, I think, But just being able

594
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: to kind of play around like that's That's what I've

595
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: always said about stats in general, is like, I mean,

596
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: we can use them as like just the end of

597
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: the conversation, you know, with this number, my numbers say

598
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: that teammate is good, therefore they're good. But I've always

599
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: been loved being able to just dive into, hey, this

600
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: is weird, this guy's doing really good. What's he doing

601
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: that's making him really good? And then being able to

602
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: just peel back the onion layer after layer and play

603
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: with that.

604
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: That's been a lot of fun.

605
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: I have a proposal, Tie and Bill. It's for Bill,

606
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: but Ty is very enthusiastic about this as well. I

607
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: don't even know who the receiver it is that this

608
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: would be named after, but if we could come up

609
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: with a metric for a receiver, like some sort of

610
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: unguardability metric, because he's the only viable option on an offense.

611
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 2: So it's a team that doesn't win a lot of games.

612
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: Then everybody knows this receiver is the only legitimate lethal

613
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: option in this group of receivers, and he catches a

614
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: disproportionate amount of balls and accounts for a disproportion amount

615
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: of yards and touchdowns and percentage of the offense regardless.

616
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: Is it an Alan Robinson rule, is it an Eric

617
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: Decker rule? Is it a Tyler Lockett rule? Who is

618
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: that player? It's your yolo player, your only lethal option,

619
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: your only lethal option. So a team that goes right,

620
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: it's essentially a team echos four and eight and every

621
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: this guy's getting double teamed and he's still finished with

622
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: like nine touchdowns and eleven hundred yards.

623
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Speaker 3: Did you just come up with that like on the fly,

624
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: by the way, yeah, ties special with words my two nominees.

625
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: This is a little too niche to be to make

626
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: measure after them. And it's two weeks now, two early

627
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: season nominees. Jacob Cowing at utep.

628
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. It could be a historical player.

629
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have to have to play figure out exactly.

630
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: But in this season, Jacob Cowan has thirteen catches for

631
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: two hundred ninety three yards in three touchdowns in three

632
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: games for the UTEP offense. Now, UTEP's been a little

633
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: better than maybe I totally would be this year, but

634
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: they're still one hundred and twenty third in SP plus.

635
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: They're still not great, and he's out here dominating the

636
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: Power Conference. Example early would be Josh Van of South

637
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: Carolina catching seven balls for one hundred or forty three yards.

638
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: We're just going to say that his per route numbers

639
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: are probably going to take a hit from playing Georgia.

640
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: This week, but.

641
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: He's been awesome so far for and we didn't really

642
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: know if that offense had any weapons at all.

643
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: Tya, there any other examples that come to mind? I

644
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: remember Eric. I played fantasy college football briefly and I

645
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: drafted Eric Decker. It was not a good offense. It

646
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: was God who was that quarterback Adam something? Okay, now

647
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm totally blanking, but yeah, I'm trying to think of

648
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: there any other I mean, it could be a running

649
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: back example, or like he's averaging five yards of carry

650
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: and everybody knows they're just going to hand it to

651
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: him every time. So that's what I'm curious about if

652
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: that actually makes sense of just like just how impressive

653
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: a player is given that he's so far ahead of

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Speaker 2: his own teammates.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm running the same list right now for

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen to twenty to give us some more more

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Speaker 3: long term the Andy Isabella rule. He averaged four point

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Speaker 3: one yards per route, the highest on record for a

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Speaker 3: UMass offense that didn't have a whole heck of a

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Speaker 3: lot going forward. No, oh god, that too many of

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Speaker 3: these guys are actually on good offenses.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll create a new show and it's just you

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Speaker 2: and I tie asking for very specific metrics and Bill

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Speaker 2: looks it up live on the show, parses through spreadsheets. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: I think because people associate you with the sp plus,

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Speaker 1: there probably is a tendency to maybe analyze a bit

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Speaker 1: how you watch games on Saturday. It's probably easy to

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Speaker 1: have the vision of like Neo looking at the matrix

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Speaker 1: the numbers and there's no color, it's just data.

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Speaker 2: But like, hot, what is.

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Speaker 1: Your viewing experience, like just as a person on a

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Speaker 1: college football Saturday, Like do you have multiple screens? Are

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Speaker 1: you watching real time data feed?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: What what is the bill C viewing experience, Like yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So usually it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I'll like accidentally reveal, you know that I don't have

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Speaker 3: like seventeen screens. I'll say something about being bad on

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Speaker 3: the remote on a Saturday and always watching the wrong

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Speaker 3: thing at the wrong time, and I'll inevitably on Twitter

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Speaker 3: get some response like you only watch with one screen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I am. I can I can handle screen.

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Speaker 2: I do a couple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there will there will be times where I'll pull

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Speaker 3: up my phone or whatever and I'll have, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll have a second week till if they're just if

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Speaker 3: too many things are going on or are coming to

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Speaker 3: a head all at once, then I'll resort to that.

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Speaker 3: But I really kind of just I'll have obviously the

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Speaker 3: laptop open, I'll have the score the the ESPN scoreboard,

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Speaker 3: and I'll have stat broadcast dot com open, which I

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Speaker 3: don't think some times they require a password, so I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you'll get into every game, but they

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Speaker 3: basically that's straight from the home team feed right there,

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Speaker 3: and you'll be able to like they they it's a

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Speaker 3: lot more granule than the stuff you'll necessarily get on

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Speaker 3: like the main overall scoreboards, So I'll basically have a

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Speaker 3: few of those going on at once. I'll have the scores,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll I'll be trying to focus on just

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Speaker 3: like the one game until commercials, and then I'll flip

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Speaker 3: to a bunch and then I'll come back to the

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Speaker 3: one game and try to keep up live like that,

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Speaker 3: I fall behind all the time. Like you follow me

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, on a given Saturday, There'll be like three

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Speaker 3: hours where I don't tweet because I'm just like the

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Speaker 3: matching stuff and I'm like a quarter behind on the

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Speaker 3: main game and whatever else. But that's my general try

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Speaker 3: to focus as much on the big things, but always

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Speaker 3: keeping an eye on the other scores at the same time.

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Speaker 2: From a pure entertainment standpoint and from a competitive standpoint,

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Speaker 2: we tend to break things into this conference is more

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Speaker 2: this than that, Which conference, major, minor whatever, to you

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Speaker 2: is the most interesting in terms of level of competent

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Speaker 2: teams and unclear at the top because we're now so

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Speaker 2: you know, driven by you know, four or five teams

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Speaker 2: the top. So when you look at conferences right now,

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Speaker 2: who who is the best TV show?

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Speaker 4: To you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if Michigan really is a top ten

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Speaker 3: team again, Okay, and Penn State is a top ten

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Speaker 3: team and Ohio State is merely a top ten team

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Speaker 3: and not a top two or three team. That's for

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Speaker 3: very obvious reasons, especially when you factor in Iowa and Wisconsin. Like,

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Speaker 3: the Big ten becomes very very interesting if Ohio State

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Speaker 3: is not just going to run away with everything, and

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Speaker 3: it might. They might still run away with everything, we'll see,

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Speaker 3: but that becomes a big log gym with a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of teams with big ambitions, all kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: with a series of big games there. So I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: excited about that. It's amazing what happens if the big

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Speaker 3: when the big teams just show a little bit of

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Speaker 3: vulnerability and how you can talk yourself into a lot

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Speaker 3: more fun things. And honestly, the Pac twelve has been

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Speaker 3: fascinating too. Number One, we still don't really have any

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Speaker 3: idea who's awesome. Like obviously, Oregon physically matched up with

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Speaker 3: Ohio State in a way that few teams are able to,

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Speaker 3: but they also got un gained per play by both

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Speaker 3: Ohio State and Frosno State.

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Speaker 4: I'm not all the way in on Oregon yet.

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Speaker 2: The Jill moorehead magic shield that.

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Speaker 3: Was nothing's more more sexy than watching his RPO game

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Speaker 3: when it's working. But it also worked a little too

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Speaker 3: well against Ohio State. I don't We'll see. We'll see

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Speaker 3: what those structural changes that Ryan Day has been talking about,

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens there. But just a simple fact

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Speaker 3: that like UCLA might be awesome, organ might be awesome,

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Speaker 3: Arizona State could still be really good, but USC is

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Speaker 3: gonna be usc again, and Utah was disappointing last week,

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Speaker 3: and Washington should be awesome, has no excuse not to

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Speaker 3: be awesome.

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Speaker 2: But I always Stanford might be pingponging between really good

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Speaker 2: and really bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope they're not really good because I want

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Speaker 3: them to just do this all year.

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Speaker 4: I want them to be great and terrible and great

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Speaker 4: and terrible.

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Speaker 3: Washington has a great defense and decided their model offense

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Speaker 3: is twenty fifteen Penn State, which surprisingly has not worked

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Speaker 3: out well for them this year. But no, there's just

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Speaker 3: there's so many storylines. I was curious about that entire

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Speaker 3: conference heading into this season, because you know, they played

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Speaker 3: so few games last year. Everybody returned, everybody, But so far,

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Speaker 3: I've been no less, and not only because SB plus

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Speaker 3: has just got its butt kicked in the evenings when

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Speaker 3: everything stops making sense after dark.

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Speaker 4: That has been the pick. The PAC twelve has been

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Speaker 4: a big reason for that too.

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Speaker 2: Rose Bowl. Bill Connolly, thank you as always weighing in

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Speaker 2: on the Big ten and PAC twelve as exciting, competent,

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Speaker 2: entertaining conferences. Bill C is on your side. What can

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Speaker 2: we say? Read everything? Bill Wrights and tweets Bill Connolly.

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Speaker 2: He's at ESPN, He's ESPN underscore Bill C on Twitter

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have rare pumas, get

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Speaker 2: a hold of him, because I'm sure he's interested. That's

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Speaker 2: by the way, that's the shoe, not the cat shoe.

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Speaker 3: I mean either, I guess, but either are preferably into

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Speaker 3: a tailgate on on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: We are matching pumas. Uh are you cooking? Is somebody

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Speaker 2: else cooking?

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Speaker 4: They're cooking?

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Speaker 3: I I just I last time I brought the alcoholic

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Speaker 3: slushes from a nearby place, I just kind of bring

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Speaker 3: one thing and everybody else cooks in It works out.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's what's on the menu? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea it'll be breakfast stuf because Missouri's

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Speaker 3: playing Cimo and nobody is gonna Yeah, that's that's an

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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock game if everyone existed.

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Speaker 4: So we'll get out early.

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Speaker 2: And you can't tailgate in the nuclear reactor a lot anymore?

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Speaker 2: Did they cut that off?

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Speaker 3: You can. They've moved the r vs around a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you down there now or not,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, you can still. There's still plenty of room

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Speaker 3: in the reactor lot.

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Speaker 2: I had a great time when I went to Calmo

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Speaker 2: and went to a Miszoo game. I mean there was

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Speaker 2: a better Massoo team. It was oh eight, but it

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Speaker 2: was a it was a fun, fun time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the crowds are probably bigger than they are now,

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Speaker 3: but you know that's a different.

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Speaker 2: Story with that. Bill. See, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: your time. We'll talk soon. Sounds good, well, Dan.

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