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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Mickey Spagnola and Bill Jones. It's a

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night at the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: and that means it is time for the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Legends Show. I am Bill Jones along with Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: and it is a real treat tonight because the Cowboys, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: are coming off a victory, a resounding victory, having over Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Jack scored forty points. How about that? Where'd that come from?

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Speaker 1: Mickey boy? I don't know. I predicted that first one

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Speaker 1: to twenty was gonna win that game. So you missed

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Speaker 1: another prediction? No, I got right right? You got that right?

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Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't predict the first one to forty though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had twenty four by the time. Can you predict

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Speaker 1: when this rain is going to end? That I cannot, okay,

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Speaker 1: because he's not going to No, I've already called me,

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Speaker 1: told her to send a kayak along. There you go,

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Speaker 1: all right. The reason we are here is not the

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Speaker 1: legend Mickey Spagnola. It's another legend in the house, and

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Speaker 1: it's a real treat to welcome in the great Dennis

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Thanks for having me. Good to have you.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the first time he's appeared on

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Speaker 1: our legend show. And I didn't realize I told him.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was still living here. He's been

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Speaker 1: all over. Didn't realize he's no living here. I'm just

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Speaker 1: messed with me. Not dead yet, not dead yet. I've

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Speaker 1: figured with all the places you've coached that you had

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Speaker 1: remain home. So I enjoyed here, and I've made a plan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a better player. I can't find a

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Speaker 1: better place to live. Grew up in Los Angeles actually

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Speaker 1: here even more than then. What was your impression coming

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Speaker 1: Dallas as that choice, I thought they had gone back

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Speaker 1: in time. When I first got here, I came to

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Speaker 1: realize that I enjoyed a lifestyle, the quality of life

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Speaker 1: here and the people are fantastic. And once you played

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Speaker 1: to Destermine, a product of the University of Southern California,

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Speaker 1: defensive back, drafted by the Cowboys in nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: and wrapped up his NFL career with the Saint Louis Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: And you've been coaching pretty much ever since. And right

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Speaker 1: off the top, how about this. You are the defensive

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Speaker 1: Alliance of what okay, Alliance of American Alliance of American Football, right,

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Speaker 1: which is the new spring league that is starting up.

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Speaker 1: First off, tell us a little bit about that. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Mike Semetary is our head coach. You know,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Mike Singletary of course makes his

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Speaker 1: I'm not a scout. I don't want to be a scout.

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Speaker 1: Right when I show up, I'm gonna meet them, and

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Speaker 1: And that's when Everson Walls, Ron Fellows, Mike Down's, Bill Bates,

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Speaker 1: You know, Bill there, as he mentioned there was there

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Speaker 1: yeah you were pretty good. Nah, you stunk in this game.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: What was your impression of the team. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: made plays and what a great football player he is.

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Speaker 1: So everybody remembers Everson the interceptions, but this guy led

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Speaker 1: the team twice, right, two years he had five interceptions

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Speaker 1: that year. Ron Fellows has four, Bill Bates had four.

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Speaker 1: How did Bill Bates get four interceptions? Probably tip balls

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Speaker 1: because bill hands weren't the best hands. You'll have a

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Speaker 1: fine But Bill was a great football player. And we

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Speaker 1: love playing with Dexter Clinkscale with three, Michael Downs with three,

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Speaker 1: and Victor Scott with two. That's just unbelievable. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nineteen eighty one was the year we I

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Speaker 1: think we had thirty eight, thirty seven or thirty eight

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Speaker 1: that year. Well that was the year. So Cubby has eleven,

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Speaker 1: I had nine, and Mike Downs had seven. So really,

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Speaker 1: and you combine it, we had twenty seven of the

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Speaker 1: thirty eight interceptions, So three guys. It wasn't an age

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Speaker 1: when maybe they just weren't throwing them. I'm not down

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Speaker 1: playing the interceptions, but that's a lot of interceptions. Well,

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Speaker 1: we knew, we studied, we knew how to make plays. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we only look Here's what we do is as a

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Speaker 1: defensive back, you don't you know, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: intercept every pass, and so we would look for our

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Speaker 1: opportunity within the game. You study, you study, and you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: this formation right here, I'm going to anticipate this because

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Speaker 1: this is what they've been doing. And if they do

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Speaker 1: what I've seen them do, I have a chance to

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Speaker 1: make a play, just as the receiver does. It may

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Speaker 1: be a two minute situation, it may be a third

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Speaker 1: down situation, it may be a red zone situation where

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Speaker 1: you're looking at it and you're looking for your one

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Speaker 1: opportunity in that game to make a play. And that's

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Speaker 1: how we used to study and anticipate. For instance, we

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Speaker 1: used to play when we play the Eagles, anytime in

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Speaker 1: a two minute situation, they would get into three by

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Speaker 1: one setting. Single receiver trips would be to their right,

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Speaker 1: are left, and if the two outside receivers both went vertical,

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Speaker 1: number three ran and out. Okay, if the two inside

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Speaker 1: receivers went vertical, the outside receiver ran the dig Remember

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Speaker 1: all this, yes, and so you're sitting there and you go, okay,

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Speaker 1: I was the backside I was the backside safety on

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Speaker 1: three by one, both of those inside receivers went vertical.

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Speaker 1: I stepped to my right away from Jaworski and he

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Speaker 1: came back, and how knew the dig was coming and

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Speaker 1: I went and intercepted it. But that was it. That's

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Speaker 1: what you look to do. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: guys study like that or prepare like that anymore, but

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Speaker 1: that's how we used to study and prepare. And at

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Speaker 1: the conclusion, we were talking about that eighty five game.

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Speaker 1: When Dennis intercepted the ball, it was the fifth interception

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Speaker 1: returns it for a touchdown. The whole stadium, the Texas

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Speaker 1: Stadium stood up and sang Happy Birthday to joe Thighs.

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Speaker 1: Remember that the funniest thing I think I ever seed

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Speaker 1: in my life. Happy Birthday to you. They get to Joey,

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Speaker 1: they called them Joey. How good was Texas Stadium? How good?

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Speaker 1: That great a place to play? Was that? It was

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal place to play? Did you play in a

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Speaker 1: better place? I mean it was so close, everybody was

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Speaker 1: so on top of the field. That's what you loved

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Speaker 1: about it. The intimacy of it was. I mean we

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Speaker 1: came out and the Cowboy fans were fantastic and they've

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Speaker 1: always have been fantastic, And just playing that old stadium

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Speaker 1: was one of the treats of my career having an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to play there. You know, everybody talking about, hey,

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Speaker 1: why did the hole in the Room of God has

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Speaker 1: a chance to watch the game, like, yeah, right, all

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Speaker 1: those characters we had on our team, and you just

489
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Speaker 1: missed a chance to be there for the final game

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Speaker 1: of Texas Stadium because you were a coach for the

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Speaker 1: Ravens up to the seventh season. Actually actually went to

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Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I went, and uh it wasn't very

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Speaker 1: good for the Cowboys. The Red pretty much destroyed them

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Speaker 1: that day. But uh, you know, closing that stadium down,

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Speaker 1: it was you know, it was tough, you know, sentimental

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Speaker 1: for us that us guys that aid their whole career

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Speaker 1: there and like I said, was a great place to play.

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Speaker 1: All right. We continue with Dennis Thurman here on the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Legend Show in just a moment a touchdown to

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Speaker 1: the SWBC mortgage. Dennis Cowboys Legends Show broadcasting live from

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. Fans United,

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Speaker 1: where you can find game day gear for every Cowboys

503
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Speaker 1: fan visit shop Fans United dot com to find a

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Speaker 1: location near you. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola and Dennis

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Speaker 1: Thurman here on the Cowboys Legends show. We got about

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Speaker 1: another half hour to go. Danny Serek has the wireless microphone.

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Speaker 1: Any of you in attendance here at the Cowboys Club

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Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Find Danny if you have

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Speaker 1: a question for Dennis Thurman. Danny, what do you got? Now? Well,

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Speaker 1: now I have Terry from Frisco with our next question.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed Durman's days for a long time. I have

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Speaker 1: a question. You know, I grew up in West Texas

513
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Speaker 1: and form tackling was to stick your head gear. With

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Speaker 1: the changes in the rules and how that's all shifted,

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Speaker 1: you're a defensive coach, how do you teach somebody to tackle?

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Speaker 1: I know, arm tackling isn't really what you do shoulder,

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Speaker 1: but what's what do you do? Yeah, it's become very

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Speaker 1: difficult because, yeah, we form tackling is no longer allowed.

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Speaker 1: H If you it looks like now if you use

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Speaker 1: especially the crown of your helmet. But in the day,

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Speaker 1: you weren't taught to tackle that way. You would talk

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Speaker 1: to a tackle, face up, hit, lift a wrap lift

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Speaker 1: and take a guy to the ground. But it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to do to me. Because of the rules. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna see more leg injuries because guys are gonna start

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Speaker 1: going lower and when guys are bigger than you. The

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Speaker 1: best way I can tell them the tackle was just

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Speaker 1: go body block somebody, Just go cut them down. And

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Speaker 1: because now, especially if if you hit a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: you form tackle them to the ground and you land

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Speaker 1: on them, you're gonna get a penalty, but you're also

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Speaker 1: gonna get a letter from the missioner in a fine.

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Speaker 1: So guys are guys are having a difficult time with it,

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Speaker 1: and I think that they're going to continue to have

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Speaker 1: a difficult time with it. I was reading it was

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Speaker 1: it might have been the Green Bay game the other night.

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Speaker 1: One of the defenders said he was getting ready to

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Speaker 1: hit Aaron Rodgers and he realized if he did what

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Speaker 1: he was getting ready to do, he was gonna get

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Speaker 1: fined and get fifteen yards, and he pulled off. Well

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Speaker 1: that's what happens. I mean, people think that you only

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Speaker 1: get the penalty. Yeah, you don't just get the penalty,

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Speaker 1: you get a letter from the Commissioner's office telling you

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Speaker 1: you probably lost twenty thousand dollars. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: so guys are are becoming very aware of that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it happened in the Kansas City, New England game where

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Speaker 1: the linebacker had Tom Brady, but he thought he had

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Speaker 1: thrown the ball so he didn't want to take him

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Speaker 1: to the ground because he feared you get a penalty.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, Tom Brady, even as slow as

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Speaker 1: he is, and he's slow, he runs four yards into

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Speaker 1: the end zone for a touchdown and the kid is

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Speaker 1: sit eas standing and he's looking shocked like, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: what did you guys want me to do? And you

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Speaker 1: know the the other young man who played for the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins who pulled off and ended up tearing up

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Speaker 1: his acl you know, trying to keep from landing on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. So it's caused some issues and you got

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Speaker 1: to look at it both ways. I understand protecting the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but to degree that they're protecting them, I think some

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks were even complaining about it. All right. Dennis Thurman,

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Speaker 1: he played at USC, two time All American at USC

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Speaker 1: and then eight years with the Cowboys, another year with

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals coaching career, first with the Phoenix

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and you mentioned the Ohio Glory. You're at USC

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Speaker 1: for several years before getting back eight years before getting

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Speaker 1: back into the NFL with the Ravens, and then the

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Speaker 1: Jets and the Bills, and now the defensive coordinator for

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Speaker 1: the new Alliance of American Football Memphis Express. I got

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Speaker 1: a challenge for you now, all right, all right, going

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Speaker 1: back to your college days, your time with the Cowboys,

572
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Speaker 1: your coaching career, I want you to put together your

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Speaker 1: secondary that you've either played with or coached. Get a

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Speaker 1: load of these names. Okay, you're all time secondary? All right,

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Speaker 1: Well I'll get you started. You played with Ronnie Lott.

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Speaker 1: Is Ronnie Lott gonna be in your secondary? Yeah? He'd

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Speaker 1: be a starting strong Okay, he's just starting strong. Safety.

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Speaker 1: Ed ree would be ed Reef you had at Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: There's another safety for you. Oh, Chris McAlister and Derrelle

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Speaker 1: Revs would be my corner Yay Revs at the Jets,

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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, your Joy Polamalu would be he'd be

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Speaker 1: on the field somewhere where's Dion. Dion would be on

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Speaker 1: the field at nickel, I put a nickel, No, gotta

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Speaker 1: put the dean at corner. Listen to these and Dion

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Speaker 1: would play corner so that I'd have to move Chris

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Speaker 1: into the slot and he'd be my nickel corner. These

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00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: are like anyone who could put together and all times

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Speaker 1: secondary that you got the National Football League and this

589
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Speaker 1: guy did his third but he's either played with or

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Speaker 1: coached of it. Jason Sehorn was pretty good too. Wow,

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Speaker 1: And uh, actually I'm more proud to Jason for Mary

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Speaker 1: and Angie Harmon. That's amazing though. I mean, yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to coach some really really good ones

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we we've had a great time.

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with all of them. I stand touched with

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Speaker 1: all of them, and uh, a bunch of great human beings.

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Speaker 1: So this this is interesting. Bill. Let him tell we

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Speaker 1: were talking beforehand, tell the story about how you got

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Speaker 1: into coaching. Oh, my seventh after my seventh year, UH

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Speaker 1: coach Landry called me in his office and we had

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Speaker 1: just moved into the new facility UH in Valley Ranch,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know why he was calling me, but

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Speaker 1: he asked could he see me? And I he started

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Speaker 1: in he said have you He asked me, how to

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Speaker 1: ever thought about coaching? And I looked at him and

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, I said, coach, I still want to play,

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Speaker 1: and he goes, no, I know that, I know that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just asking you. Have you ever thought about it?

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Speaker 1: And I said no. He said, well, you might want

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Speaker 1: to think about it because you prepare like a coach.

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Speaker 1: You studied the game like a coach. And I had

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Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. And that was the

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Speaker 1: first time that someone peaked my interests as far as coaching.

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Speaker 1: But then I had ended up playing a couple more years,

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Speaker 1: and then I retired after the nineteen eighty sixth season

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Speaker 1: after I finished that one year with the Saint Wis Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I hated it, but I did it

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Speaker 1: because Coach Stallings was now the head coach, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he wanted me to be there to help the transition

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Speaker 1: from for the other guys. And we ended up having

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Speaker 1: a pretty good defense that year. We ended up finishing

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Speaker 1: third or fourth in the NFL, even though our record

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Speaker 1: was three eleven and whatever it was. But anyway, and

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Speaker 1: so I retired and I went home and had a

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Speaker 1: young daughter at the time, now a lawyer, and she

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Speaker 1: tells me what to do. But I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time with her in nineteen eighty seven, and one morning,

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Speaker 1: a deputy sheriff knocked on my door and I answered

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Speaker 1: the door, and I looked at him, and I had

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Speaker 1: no idea. I didn't know what I had done. I

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Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what I mean, what did

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Speaker 1: you do? I mean, why are you here? He said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about it. He says, uh, Gene Stalins is

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Speaker 1: trying to get in touch with you. And that's how

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Speaker 1: I got into coaching. He offered me a coaching job

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Speaker 1: with through a deputy sheriff knocking on my door. He

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Speaker 1: was trying to find a phote number cell phones, right, yeah,

638
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: yeah in today's world. Yeah, he had picked up the

639
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: cell phone in that world. He sent a deputy sheriff

640
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: to knock on my door. And Jean's an all timer, right.

641
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I love Gene. He's great, great, great coach. And I

642
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed playing for him, enjoyed working with him when I

643
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: coached with him, And you know, he wanted me to

644
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: go to Alabama with him after we left the Cardinals.

645
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: But I was going through some personal things and I

646
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: just I needed a break, and uh but I missed

647
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: out on a national championship. I'm not sure I had

648
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: a second one, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I

649
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Me and Alabama, I don't know if we were,

650
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was one thing coming to Dallas. Yeah,

651
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: going down there, it might have been a little different.

652
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: But uh no, I love Jeane. Jane was a great

653
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: guy and he still is. And uh, you know, I

654
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: saw him about six months ago and he looked good. Yeah,

655
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: he had heart attack or whatever it was. It was

656
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: right before he had that little whatever it was a

657
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: little hiccup. Yeah, that I saw him, and uh kind

658
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: of scared me a little bit. But he seems to be,

659
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, bouncing back from it because a matter of fact,

660
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: that happened a little bit after I told you, we

661
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: went and interviewed it, right, Okay, And then I read

662
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: where Yeah, well he's going to Alabama because he's got

663
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: to make a speech at some fundraiser. He didn't know

664
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: how to sit still. Yeah, but I didn't either, and

665
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't now so neither do I. So I think Danny,

666
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: can we sneak a question. Let's let's come back to Okay,

667
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: we'll do that after this time out. We continue with

668
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: Dennis Thurman in just a moment here the Cowboys Legend Show.

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Speaker 1: It's a touchdown. It's a touchdown. Struck to the SWBC

670
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Legends Show, broadcasting live from the Cowboys

671
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Club at the Star in Frisco. We've got ten or

672
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: twelve minutes left here on the Dallas Cowboys Legends Show.

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: All across the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Bill Jones with

674
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, and the great Dennis Thurman is in the house.

675
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: It's been a great conversation going down Cowboys memory Lane

676
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: with the charter member of Thurman's Thieves from back in

677
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: the late seventies and the eighties with the Cowboys in

678
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: a long distinguished career as an assistant coach in the

679
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: National Football League and in college at his alma mater

680
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: at USC. Danny Serek as the wireless microphone here at

681
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Club at the Star, and Danny, how you

682
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: doing doing well? And I I'm with Bill from Chicago

683
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: for our next question. I promise I won't bring up

684
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: that eighty five Bears game. Please please, That was the

685
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: worst whipping we took as a team in my career.

686
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: Please don't it's forty four, nothing was the score. Yeah,

687
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: well these things happen, right, And and Mike, Mike Semetary

688
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: and I talked about that all the time. Yeah, I bet.

689
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: So who was your mentor when you got in the

690
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: league at the beginning, and who did you mentor as

691
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you got out of the league From a player's standpoint, Well, um,

692
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: like I said, I when I first came into the league,

693
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Charlie Waters and Cliff Hairs were two guys that were

694
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: premier at their position, and they're very intelligent, and I

695
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: felt like I was a pretty smart guy too, but

696
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't as smart as them. So yeah, when they

697
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: were talking, I listened with when everybody else was talking,

698
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I talked. So I learned from those two guys for

699
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the most part. But coach Stalin's was as good as

700
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a coach as I've ever been around, very thorough made

701
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: sure we understood what we were supposed to be doing,

702
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and then he once that once we knew what we

703
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: were supposed to do, he allowed us to go play.

704
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: So in that regard, I was very very appreciative. But

705
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: and then as a coach. I mean just being able

706
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: to talk to guys and have them understand what it's

707
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: what it is to be a professional, and what it

708
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: takes to be a professional and if what if you

709
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: want to get everything you want to get out of

710
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: this game, you got to put your mind, body, and

711
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: soul into it. There was the saying that Coach Lander

712
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: used to have and it's and I found it to

713
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: be very true. He says, once you learn how to

714
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: play this game, you'll be too old to play it,

715
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: and that's true for most of us. Okay, I became

716
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: a smarter football player after my career was over, but

717
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: that's why I got like Tom Brady right now is

718
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: able to play the game the way he plays it

719
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: because he understand there's nothing he hadn't seen. There's nothing

720
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: that he doesn't understand on that football field. And he's

721
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: still able to play at eighteen nineteen years into his

722
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: career because he mastered how to play the game. But

723
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: he's not too old to play it right now, and

724
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: that's why he's still playing at such a high level.

725
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: So let me see if I got this right. You

726
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: played for John McKay, yes, John Robinson, yes, Tom Landry Yes,

727
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: under Gene Stallings all champions. And then if I remember correctly,

728
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys assistant coaches when you first got there, Dan Reeves

729
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: Dick still there. Yeah, Mike Dicker was the one that

730
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: gave me the nickname Nate. Nate. Yeah, my nickname Nate

731
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Thurman the basketball because he couldn't he couldn't remember my

732
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: name was Dennis henketball player felled his last name differently, Yahnisuran. Yes,

733
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: and so if if you ever see, if I ever

734
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: see a former Cowboy teammate whatever, they all called me

735
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: Nate and they they people were like, well why do

736
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: you why do they call you Nate? And I Mike

737
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: Dicka couldn't remember my name was Dennis, so he could

738
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: remember Nate, so he called me Nate and it stopped.

739
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: And he was the special teams coming right, So I'm

740
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: assuming you were on special was on special teams and

741
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: he said, man, I can't remember your name. Your name

742
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: is Nate from now, so they stopped. And of course

743
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Dennis Thurban coached in college at USC. So did you

744
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: have Chris Rochard at USC? Yeah? I recruited Chris out

745
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: of out of Sarah High School in Gardena. Chris played

746
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: for me for two years. And the craziest thing is

747
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: he remembers our first meeting. Really. Yeah, he's a great kid,

748
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and we're friends. I think he's doing a

749
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: phenomenal job coaching in here. And uh, I think this

750
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: guy's a limit for him. So could you tell when

751
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: you were recruiting him that he had those in stinks

752
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: where he would be a coach someday or too early

753
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: to tell you, No, it was too early to tell.

754
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: He was a heck of a football player, a great family, mom, dad,

755
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, phenomenal family, and the things I remember by

756
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: Chris was just a quality of human being, probably a

757
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: better person than he was a player. And he's a

758
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: pretty good player. I mean he at the time he

759
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: was running like a ten five hundred meters, I mean,

760
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: really could run, really could cover. Very inquisitive, wanted to

761
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: know why we were doing what we were doing, so

762
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: I guess in some respects, I mean, I just knew

763
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: he wanted to play. And then he got drafted by

764
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Then he played for them for three

765
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: or four years, and then his career kind of knows

766
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: died And we talked before he got into coaching and

767
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: he was asking me about it, and I said, look,

768
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: so it can be very rewarding, you know, it can

769
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: be also be very frustrating. I said, but if you,

770
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: if you hang in there, and said, you probably end

771
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: up carving out a pretty good career for yourself. And

772
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: he's done just that. And of course he coached the

773
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: legion in Seattle. How impressed her? Or were you with that? Secondary?

774
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: They were good. They were good. They were good, um,

775
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: And you gotta give them credit. They did some phenomenal things.

776
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: The only the thing that bothers me, if there's one

777
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: regret I have when I don't have many, is that

778
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: here in Dallas we never got a chance to win

779
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Because if you have a nickname and

780
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: you win a championship, that nickname lasts for yes. And

781
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: so you know, we kind of know our poster still

782
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: is pretty good. But did you did you keep the hat? Oh?

783
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Did we know? We got in trouble. We got in

784
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: trouble for wearing those hats. We'll talk about that some

785
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: other day. We talked about it with Cobby. They were

786
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: they were staying at the it was the old train

787
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: station they turned into all the shopping mall in st

788
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: h and they all went and bought these kind of

789
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: we wanted to be like Tom Landry and unfortunately, yeah,

790
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: real bad. Yeah, And it was like, Okay, they're messing

791
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: around with hats, are not worrying about football. I don't

792
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: think the hat at anything. But we got interviews before

793
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, Hey, that's part of growing up. Well,

794
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: we're your knuckleheads back then, there's part of growing up.

795
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I think Danny may have another question from someone in

796
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: attendance here, Danny, Well, this time the questions from me.

797
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: Oh well all right, step right up. Yes, the best

798
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: for last year exactly, Dannis. You worked with Rob and

799
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, Right, that's one of your favorite story with

800
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: them that you can say on the radio. I worked

801
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: with Rex much longer than Rob. They're Yeah, there's some

802
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: funny stories, but they're a little bit personal, so I

803
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: can't get into it. I can tell you this. They

804
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: both have huge personalities and they're very confident in themselves.

805
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: But neither one of them is their dad. Their dad

806
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Buddy better football coach than both of them, and I

807
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: think they would say that too. Buddy Ryan, Yeah, he

808
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: was awfully good and I'm eighty five team. By the way, Yeah,

809
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: they're from Chicago. So when you you were talking about

810
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Chris roshard Um, do you see some of his fingerprints

811
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: on maybe how the Cowboys dps are playing a little

812
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: bit differently than it used to, Yes, and much more aggressive. Uh,

813
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're playing a lot more man than

814
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: they played in the past. Because Rod our coach would

815
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Rob as well at us SEE for two years, did

816
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: I did Rod and I won his Cotton Bowl championship.

817
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: We beat came here and beat Texas Tech off. We

818
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: beat the brakes off of them, and then we uh

819
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: we beat Northwestern uh in the Rose Bowl the following year,

820
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: and uh, he was in charge of the past for

821
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: US I had to I had the secondary and that

822
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: year we only gave up six touchdown passes and I

823
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: think they had something like thirty five forty sacks. So

824
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: we worked well together. And I respect Rod a lot

825
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: and he's a really really really fine football coach but

826
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: also a better man. Yeah, And so you know, just

827
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: working with Chris or coaching Chris and working with Rod,

828
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: I know I know the Cowboys defenses in good hands.

829
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: I believe that they've only given up touchdown passes when

830
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: they make mistakes back there. When they don't make the

831
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: mistake back there, they're hard to throw the ball against.

832
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: And that's what you want. You want your secondary to

833
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: be one where they're all together, they know what each

834
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: other is supposed to be doing. If they don't beat themselves,

835
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: they are going to be hard to beat. You know.

836
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good observation because against Seattle they had

837
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: two busted coverages for touchdowns, and then the next week

838
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: when Detroit took the league late, another busted coverage. Right, yes,

839
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: and they seem like they straightened it out last week.

840
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: And Blake Bortles isn't the greatest quarterback in the National

841
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: Football League, but he still is a quarterback in the league.

842
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: And like Tom Langer used to tell us all the time,

843
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: if he's in the league, you gotta respect him. And uh,

844
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, so he can he can throw the football.

845
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: But they did a great job. The key is this weekend.

846
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: Can they go into Washington and keep Washington under control?

847
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Washington may run the ball a little bit, AP's running

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Speaker 1: the ball really well right now, but can they keep

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Speaker 1: in the passing game at Alex Smith can they keep

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Speaker 1: that under control? If they can, I think they have

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Speaker 1: a great chance to go up there and win. You know,

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Speaker 1: the one thing I noticed about them and their passing

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Speaker 1: game there, their leading receiver is Thompson. They're running back

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Speaker 1: and the next one's the tight end read and the

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Speaker 1: next wide receiver, uh sixteen catches and and and that's it.

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Speaker 1: And Jamison Crowder's hurt, and Crowder's hurt. So it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how they But yeah, they got to

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Speaker 1: go on the road, right, As Zeke said, if we

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Speaker 1: don't win in on the road, we ain't go into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But that's true, that's true. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing is is that their defense has been traveling

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Speaker 1: and again they got to keep the pass game under

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Speaker 1: control of the Redskins because of what you just said.

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Speaker 1: They don't have particularly a number one receiver either. They

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Speaker 1: do have a big time tight end he's healthy, and

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Speaker 1: their running back is their leading yet well receiver. And

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Speaker 1: I just feel like they should go in there and

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Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence and go in there and

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Speaker 1: play really well, and then the offense has got to

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Speaker 1: do what they If they can score twenty one twenty

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Speaker 1: four points, I think they have a great chance to

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Speaker 1: win this game. Dennis Thurban This has been great. Mickey,

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Speaker 1: you outdid yourself. Mickey Books our guest, and you outdid yourself.

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Speaker 1: Get into these guys show next week because it's a

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Speaker 1: buy weeks and we're back in two weeks from here

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Speaker 1: at the Star Our thanks once again to Dennis Thurban.

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Speaker 1: A true sports fan wears their team's color.