WEBVTT - Hannah Brown Has Healed 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.760 Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, author, 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.840 Dancing with the Stars champ and former Bachelorette Hannah Brown 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.360 is here to talk about her latest book, her Self 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.200 Love Journey, and what it's like being reality TV royalty. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.680 It's Thursday, June thirteenth. I'm Simone Boyce. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.239 I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.720 Hello Sunshine, Danielle. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.920 I guess you could say our guest today has really 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.120 cracked the reality TV code. 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.520 For sure, she has. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.400 It's wild, It's really wild how successful Hannah Brown has 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.320 been on television screens. First, she stole hearts as a 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.120 contestant on one of the buzziest seasons of the Bachelor, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.640 when former football player Colton Underwood was the leading man 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.120 in the reality show. So a lot to talk about. There, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.280 so much dramas, so much drama. Then she came back 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.280 as the bachelorette. So even though she was in seventh 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.160 place on Colton season, you could say she won because 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:00.000 she became the bachelor. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:01.560 Yeah, she was so beloved. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.560 Yes, and just as a little refresher in that season. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.240 It came down to two guys for Hannah, Tyler Cameron 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.200 and Jed Wyatt, who she ultimately gave the last rows too, 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.680 and we all know how that turned out. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.480 Yeah, I mean, Hannah broke up with Jed after she 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.360 found out he was actually in a relationship while they 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.080 were filming The Bachelorette. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.600 So brutal, but that didn't stop her. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.120 Later that same year, she went on Dancing with the 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.680 Stars and won the Mirror Ball Trophy. And then just 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.560 last year, she competed in and won Special Forces World's 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.480 Toughest Test, which is this insanely physical competition where she 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.280 was up against NFL players, NBA athletes, olympians, they were 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:45.720 all taking orders from former military guys. It is so intense. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.200 I was so impressed with her performance on that show. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.560 I actually was impressed that you watched that show because 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.040 I did not know that about you. You really loved it, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.360 But it also sounds like you loved her mental fortitude, 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:57.760 which I have a lot of respect for. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.120 One hundred percent. I mean, we've both watched The Bachelor. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.919 It's unfortunately we have It's not often that you see 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.640 a former Bachelor contestant have this much longevity, you know, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.200 like she's been able to parlay it into a successful 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.639 career and a successful enterprise. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.640 I mean beyond her reality TV domination, Hannah has added 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.720 the title author and host to her resume. She has 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.120 a podcast, and then in twenty twenty one, she became 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.600 a published author. She wrote a memoir titled God Bless 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.000 This Mess, which became an instant New York Times bestseller, and. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.239 Now she's released her debut romance novel titled Mistakes We 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.400 Never Made. So the story follows Emma and Finn, who 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.320 went from almost lovers to frenemies. Emma and Finn are 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.760 then reunited at a mutual friend's wedding when their friend, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.880 the bride, goes missing. They're forced to work together to 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.760 find her, and then the old feelings spark all over again. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.079 It's already a New York Times bestseller. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.200 Simon and I are going to find out what it's 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.960 like for Hannah Brown to write her own happy ending. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.400 Here, Hannah Brown, Welcome to the bright Side. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:03.519 Welcome Hannah. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.200 Hi, y'all, thanks for having me. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:05.960 Well, Hannah. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:07.919 Before we get into your book, I want to hear 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.280 more about this title, Mistakes We Never Made, And I 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.760 have kind of a fun retrospective question for you. What's 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.040 a mistake you never made that you kind of wish 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:19.480 you had. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.680 I love the title of the book and like the 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.760 conversations that come from it, because I think a lot 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.640 of the mistakes that we don't make are just things 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.040 that we were like scared to do or to try. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.280 And a lot of times that's in love, but also 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:37.080 in just taking risks for adventure and joy that we 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:42.560 sometimes just deprive ourselves from. And this is a very 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.880 silly one, but I think about it all the time. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.480 My family owned a summer camp for girls, and I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.280 could have gone at any time for free, for the 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.400 whole thing, but I was so scared that, like I 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.200 would have to be the person that like called my 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.200 parents to come get me because I wouldn't be able 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.200 to do it. But now I hear everybody's like fun 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.520 summer camp stories, I'm like, I could have gone it anytime. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.040 Hannah, you went from living your love story publicly on 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.040 The Bachelor and The Bachelorette to writing a love story 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.640 in your new novel. It felt kind of like a 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.039 perfect next step from the outside looking in. What inspired 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.119 you to write a romance novel? And are we talking 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.000 to the next Nora Roberts. What's happening here? I mean, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.920 that would be amazing. I would love to be the 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.320 next Nora Roberts. But yeah, all of this happened just 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.240 so kind of out of the blue for me. I 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.920 didn't like think I would be a reality TV start 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.240 on a dating show much less like that was not 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.440 like something that I've put on my goals of twenty 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.719 nineteen or whatever. I know, And I wasn't even really 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.800 a person that watch shows like this, so it's kind 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.280 of wild that that is where my start was from. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.719 But I always wanted to write a novel one day, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.080 Like I remember talking to my mom in like high school, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.680 early college, like saying, this would be a big goal 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.320 of mine. So that this has been kind of the 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.280 catalyst I'm so grateful for. Did you always love love? 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.839 It's actually funny. I used to say I wanted to 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:14.200 marry myself when I was little, So yeah, I've always 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.039 loved the idea of love, but I haven't always been 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.960 like consumed. That's why it's so funny that I was 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.600 the girl that went on a TV show to find 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.320 a husband, because I just wasn't that way. But then 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.360 I think once I got in college, and I think 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.640 the people that you're surrounded by can kind of make 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.040 you start feeling the pressure of that. Like seven of 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.599 my girlfriends in college got engaged their senior year, and 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.120 so I do remember during that time of my life, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.640 and I was on the Bachelor, like right out of college, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.839 like feeling this like desire or almost like need to 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.680 find love and to be married. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:54.960 Isn't that so wild? Looking back? 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.000 It's so wild. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:56.960 You're so young. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.640 You have plenty of time, I know, and I was 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.840 the young fungus Bachelorette that they've had. I thought it 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.280 was so ready, and I'm like, I'm just now trying, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:12.920 like really understanding what love is. You know, people followed 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.800 the journey of me trying to figure that out and 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.280 and kind of coming to more conclusions daily of what 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.480 that is, and then being able to kind of sprinkle 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.200 that into the stories that I'm able to create. Really 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.080 really cool. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.159 We're going to take a quick break. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:36.080 We'll be right back with more Hannah Brown. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:43.159 And we're back. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:44.160 Hannah. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.800 You talked about how young you were during the Bachelorette, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.760 and I didn't even realize when I was watching the 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.520 show that you were just twenty four when you were filming. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.479 You were pretty mature for a twenty four year old 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:56.320 on reality TV? 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.640 Oh was I? I mean there's some moments we could 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.560 question the maturity level. But kind of what I want 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:03.560 to ask you about. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.400 You know, we think about reality TV now, I think 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.040 we're like twenty years into reality TV and we think 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.960 that it's sort of contrived. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.160 Or written, but there are moments that are real. Okay, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.160 here's the thing I love when people ask me, like, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.679 is it all real? Like? Yes, it actually really is. Now, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.640 are there certain things that the television show or the 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.600 series like has that you do? Like, first of all, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.840 you're not dating thirty people at a time, but you're 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.120 also not giving out roses at a rose ceremony that 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.080 lasts like hours long, Like yes, that is definitely scripted, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.040 even like who I Call First? Like that is scripted, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:52.600 but the feelings and the conversation is not as much. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.120 It's just you're in a bubble that is not reality. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:02.120 So it's real in that realm that is not real life. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.800 Even though it's very unconventional. I do not like advise 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.560 dating that many people at one time. You do learn 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.360 a lot about what you like, things that you might 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.440 be like surprised that you like, and things that you 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.760 surprisingly you don't about a relationship. So I'm grateful for 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.960 it in a way, and it really helped and I 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.600 really learned a lot about what I didn't want and 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.280 that really helps me moving forward too. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.320 I remember watching your season and what you went through 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.800 in the aftermath with Jed and everything, and it was 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.960 it was so hard to watch from afar, so I 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:45.000 can only imagine it was. It must have been horrible. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.640 It was horrible, but you handled it. You handled it 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.439 so well. I mean I loved watching you on the Bachelorette. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.199 But Hannah, I have to say I think my favorite 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.240 reality TV role of yours is on Fox's Special Forces 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.880 World's Toughest Test, because girl talk about defining things, perceptions 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.320 that people have of you, probably perceptions that you have 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.400 of yourself. How did you surprise yourself? I mean, you won. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.800 We need to just put it out there that she won. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.320 Still impressive, thank you. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:14.840 Yeah. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.080 I talk about mental health quite a bit, because you know, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.600 I was on three reality shows in a year, and 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.920 before that had never like I went to college in 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:27.600 my hometown, Like my life changed so quickly, and then 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.560 there was so much life lived in such a short 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.920 amount of time, and a lot of like emotions. I 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.880 don't e think I had dealt with in that anxiety 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.320 and depression and everything like manifested even like in my 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.400 body and what I was able to do. And I've 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.679 always been pretty active and was not like didn't work 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.800 out for like a full year and basically just did 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.200 like physical therapy. And I haven't talked about it much 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.760 because I can't quite understand like just how much all 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.520 that took a toll, just my body in general, like 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.800 how but remember I got the call for the show, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.840 and I just started working back out again, like feeling 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.040 like I wasn't just going to like get hurt or 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.400 have like so much inflammation. And they called it and 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.240 I'm like, I'm so scared to do this because I 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.400 didn't know if I could like handle the mental part 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.520 of it, the emotional, physical, like all of it. Like 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.400 I knew it was going to be really tough. But 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.480 the reason I said yes to it is I really 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.600 needed to prove to myself that I was so much 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.440 stronger than I thought, because I had this limiting belief 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.319 that I was just completely broken and I really needed 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.680 something to prove myself. And I like talked to my 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.080 doctors and they're like, I really think you can do this, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.480 And I did like hypnosis type things, like a lot 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.720 of preparing for pain. Mentally, I still wasn't at the 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.200 best like physical shape, I thought my mind, but I 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.120 was just slowly like getting prepared for it as much 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.280 as I could. But every day I was like, I 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.479 can do this. Like I genuinely was like, I'm miserable, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.240 but I can. I can make it one more day. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.400 I can make it one more day. And just that 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.920 I was able to prove to myself how strong I 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.600 was mentally and physically when I felt so weak and broken. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.080 That was something that like camera, you know, can't fully 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.560 capture how that made me feel. But it was so hard. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.959 Wait, Hannah, I have a question about that, because when 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.400 you said that you were in a really tough place 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.920 before heading into this show, it really struck me personally. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.120 When I was in like a very low place. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.079 I signed up for a triathlon because I said, if 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.320 I don't do something physical early in the morning, and 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:41.839 if I don't have something to train for, I'm not 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.320 going to get out of bed. Are you comfortable sharing 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.959 what sent you into this really low place? Because I'm 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:55.280 looking at your Instagram and like you're engaged on the outside, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.160 look very happy, no one would really know what was 0:11:59.240 --> 0:11:59.679 going on. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.480 I really tried to live my life as like a 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.080 role model at all times, and then to be in 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.760 the public eye and get a lot of criticism from 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:16.400 a lot of different things. That was really tough because 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.960 everything that I had built my life on and what 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.320 I thought I was had come into question. And you know, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.920 even when there is support, the thing that you're going 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.160 to listen to, and that's the loudest is any type 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.480 of criticism or things people are saying, especially if it 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.800 comes down to like character and who you are. And 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.520 I couldn't handle it. It was about a year of 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.360 being pretty dark, but just keep working and distracting myself. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.480 But then when all the distractions went away for like 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.720 a lot of people in COVID, that's when it got like, oh, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.320 like I am really really not okay. I was actually 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:59.839 working on my first book about my life and was 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.680 also like reliving things that I had not really talked about. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.600 I'm so glad that I was able to like share 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.840 my story and so many people resonated with my first book. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.960 God bless this mess. But that was really really hard 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.840 for me to process, and I just started therapy for 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.680 the first time as I was writing this book, so 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:23.880 it was just a lot of open wounds, really fresh 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.720 and then having to learn how to process. That was 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.680 really tough for me. And yet now, like I still 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.360 have them battles to this day. But I'm so grateful 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.840 for everything that has led up to this point to 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.240 be at the place that I am now. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.960 And she's hydrating, she's reading her books, she's glowy. You 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.200 look very healthy. Yeah, I've never met you before, but 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.640 you look light and you look healthy, She's offering. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.320 Yes, Oh my gosh, I really appreciate that because I've 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.160 been sick this past week. So if I'm looking healthy 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.400 now like i'm usually thriving, then. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.920 Yeah, exactly. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.439 Well, it seems like you're in this new chapter of 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.280 your life mentally and emotionally. You're entering a new decade. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:12.199 You mentioned you're thirty, you're newly engaged. Yeah, heading into 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.440 this new version of Hannah Brown. How has your idea 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.320 of love changed since that twenty four year old bachelorette. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.160 I didn't even know what love was like it. Honestly, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.760 that was a question I even had this past year 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.000 because of The relationship I have with my fiance now 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.880 is very, very different than any relationship that I've had before, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.760 and I have learned that I have had to redefine 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:41.000 what love is, and love to me really is about 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.920 feeling safe and seen at the same time, and it's 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.760 creating a relationship. I think that is actually a lot 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.600 more powerful when you get you have choice in who 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.160 you decide to be with, Like, we built this relationship, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.320 and that's really what love is. It's being able to 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.520 build a life with somebody. And even in the book Mistakes, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.600 we never made like there's a reason why we struggle 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.920 with relationship and there's always a route to that and 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.280 the importance of being able to go on that journey 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.120 for yourself or with a partner, of being able to 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.440 find I think even Emma and Finn and the book, 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.880 you know, the main character has a lot of stuff 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.560 that she's suppressed about a relationship with her dad and 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.360 why she feels like she has to be the way 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.800 that she is and being able to like lightly bring 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.520 that in because that's truly what creates I think a strong, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.280 beautiful love story of having another person kind of be 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.800 on that journey with you and give you that space 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.440 to work on the things that you need to work 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.800 on within yourself to be able to fully love somebody 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.600 else too. And I didn't know any of that at 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.400 twenty four. I didn't know any of that about it 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.520 at twenty four, and so to now be almost thirty 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:57.200 and you know, engaged in learning so much about love daily, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.200 I'm excited and so thankful for the journey that it's 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.680 been for me and my relationship, but also to in 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.600 this new chapter of my life being an author to 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.760 be able to share that with other people while also 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.360 creating this beautiful, magical love story, but actually like adding 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.640 some truth in there along the way too. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:19.720 All Right, we got to take a quick break with 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:33.080 author and TV personality Hannah Brown. Okay, healed, healthy, Hannah Brown, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.280 I have a have a have a spicy question. We 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.920 like spicy questions on our show. A question that comes 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.200 up a lot is whether it's possible to be friends 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:43.680 with an ex. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:45.440 We talk about this so much. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.640 I don't know why when it always comes up, and 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.600 you and Tyler Cameron still seem very close, like you 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.120 were just on his renovation show Going Home. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.640 You also dated him in like a very public way. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.040 It's I think it's totally different than most relational dynamics. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.280 But what's your take on that question? Like, is it 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.720 healthy to be friends with an ex? Is it possible? 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.960 I think you can be supportive of an ex and 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.680 truly like want their happiness. And I think you can 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.720 be acquaintances of an ext Oh. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.880 That's good, that's good. It's acquaintance. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:18.240 Yeah. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.919 Yeah, But I think you know, if you dated somebody 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.240 for a really long time and there's just, you know, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.200 so much history, I think you can be acquaintances and 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.120 really like want the best for somebody. But I think 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.280 it takes a lot to even get to that point too. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.600 But for them to be like at your barbecues in 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.879 your backyard with your new like, that's I think I think. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.120 That's good too. What's what's your take on this? Now 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:44.440 we go back and forth. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.880 No, I totally agree. Yeah, I mean I do too, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.840 Like at different times, I'm like, maybe you know, you'll 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.600 see others, you'll see other people doing it well, So 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.000 I'm not saying that maybe it can happen, but I 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:01.320 think for the majority, for giving advice for the masses, yeah, 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.640 let's be realistic. Probably not the best. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.680 Surgeon General's warning is don't do it. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.760 It depends how like serious the relationship was and where 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.000 you're at now. Okay, I am dying to know what 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.119 the bachelorette's bachelorette party looks like? 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:18.080 Is it a. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.320 Hannah Brown on a yacht all in white bikini's Instagram moment? 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:23.240 Are you more chill? 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:24.240 Like? What is this looking? 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:25.119 What's the theme? 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.800 I really? I mean I haven't planned anything yet, but. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:30.840 More chill. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.119 I'm more chill just where I'm at. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.199 We plan it right now? 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.879 Yeah, I really am thinking like the Bahamas would be 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.840 so great. I mean, I love Mexico and I want 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:43.440 to go somewhere be with my girlfriends on a beach, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:45.480 but very very chill. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.600 Simone, and I realized today as we were thinking about 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.680 your interview that you are the winningest reality star. Yes, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.160 the Bachelor, you technically won because you became the Bachelorette. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.280 You one Dancing with the Star, You won Special Forces. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:07.200 What is the secret? What is secret skill? The special sauce? 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.480 How are you winning everything? 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.280 I genuinely don't. I never like think I'm gonna win, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.520 but I've now figured out my special secret sauce in therapy, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.080 and I don't always think it's a great thing. But 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:25.399 what helps me a lot in these very specific, not 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.879 real life situations is I can get so dialed in, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.560 Like when I'm on a show, nothing else matters, like 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.600 everyone is shut out. I am fully in it and 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.680 I can't deal with anything else. So it's really great 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.960 for something where like you don't have your phone for 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.160 a while and that's all that you're doing. I'm really 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.119 great at that, and I can shut every other like 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.560 emotion or thing that's going on in the outside world. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.919 I'm just emotionally and mentally invested in what's like at hand. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:01.120 Are you super competitive some people? Yes, I don't think 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:06.480 I'm competitive about Yeah. I guess I'm not competitive in 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.560 like everything in life. Like you know those people who 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.359 like are competitive about just like it could be any 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.200 little game and they're upset. No, I'm not like that, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.199 Like I don't care about just every type of thing, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.879 but like, yeah, when I'm in a competition like the 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.280 ones I've been in, yeah, I guess there is like 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.080 a drive. I have a drive about me. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:27.560 Yeah, she's the one to watch. 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.400 I agree, you are on a reality show with Hanna Brown, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:31.320 She's the one to watch. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.840 I normally would never ask somebody this because the idea 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.719 of asking, like what's next for you is like the 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.359 most annoying question. But you've worn so many different hats. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.000 I am really curious what is on your bucket list, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.399 Like what's on the horizon for you? 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.639 Oh my gosh. Well, I'm working on book two now, 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.879 my romance novel, so I'm really excited about that. I 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.480 really want to get into real estate in some way, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:59.720 which is just like my telling Sunset it's happening. I 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.040 started out in interior decorating. That's what I was doing 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.120 when I was on when I started The Bachelor, I'm 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.040 trying to bring everything back to my roots. So what 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.000 I was doing and what I loved well before I 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.320