1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, author, 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars champ and former Bachelorette Hannah Brown 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: is here to talk about her latest book, her Self 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Love Journey, and what it's like being reality TV royalty. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, June thirteenth. I'm Simone Boyce. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine, Danielle. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: I guess you could say our guest today has really 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: cracked the reality TV code. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: For sure, she has. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: It's wild, It's really wild how successful Hannah Brown has 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: been on television screens. First, she stole hearts as a 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: contestant on one of the buzziest seasons of the Bachelor, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: when former football player Colton Underwood was the leading man 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: in the reality show. So a lot to talk about. There, 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: so much dramas, so much drama. Then she came back 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: as the bachelorette. So even though she was in seventh 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: place on Colton season, you could say she won because 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: she became the bachelor. 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was so beloved. 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and just as a little refresher in that season. 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: It came down to two guys for Hannah, Tyler Cameron 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: and Jed Wyatt, who she ultimately gave the last rows too, 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: and we all know how that turned out. 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Hannah broke up with Jed after she 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: found out he was actually in a relationship while they 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: were filming The Bachelorette. 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: So brutal, but that didn't stop her. 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Later that same year, she went on Dancing with the 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Stars and won the Mirror Ball Trophy. And then just 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: last year, she competed in and won Special Forces World's 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Toughest Test, which is this insanely physical competition where she 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: was up against NFL players, NBA athletes, olympians, they were 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: all taking orders from former military guys. It is so intense. 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: I was so impressed with her performance on that show. 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: I actually was impressed that you watched that show because 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: I did not know that about you. You really loved it, 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: But it also sounds like you loved her mental fortitude, 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: which I have a lot of respect for. 40 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I mean, we've both watched The Bachelor. 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately we have It's not often that you see 42 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: a former Bachelor contestant have this much longevity, you know, 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: like she's been able to parlay it into a successful 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: career and a successful enterprise. 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: I mean beyond her reality TV domination, Hannah has added 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: the title author and host to her resume. She has 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: a podcast, and then in twenty twenty one, she became 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: a published author. She wrote a memoir titled God Bless 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: This Mess, which became an instant New York Times bestseller, and. 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: Now she's released her debut romance novel titled Mistakes We 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: Never Made. So the story follows Emma and Finn, who 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: went from almost lovers to frenemies. Emma and Finn are 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: then reunited at a mutual friend's wedding when their friend, 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: the bride, goes missing. They're forced to work together to 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: find her, and then the old feelings spark all over again. 56 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: It's already a New York Times bestseller. 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: Simon and I are going to find out what it's 58 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: like for Hannah Brown to write her own happy ending. 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: Here, Hannah Brown, Welcome to the bright Side. 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 4: Welcome Hannah. 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: Hi, y'all, thanks for having me. 62 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 4: Well, Hannah. 63 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: Before we get into your book, I want to hear 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: more about this title, Mistakes We Never Made, And I 65 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: have kind of a fun retrospective question for you. What's 66 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: a mistake you never made that you kind of wish 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: you had. 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: I love the title of the book and like the 69 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: conversations that come from it, because I think a lot 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 3: of the mistakes that we don't make are just things 71 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: that we were like scared to do or to try. 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: And a lot of times that's in love, but also 73 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: in just taking risks for adventure and joy that we 74 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: sometimes just deprive ourselves from. And this is a very 75 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: silly one, but I think about it all the time. 76 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: My family owned a summer camp for girls, and I 77 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: could have gone at any time for free, for the 78 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: whole thing, but I was so scared that, like I 79 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: would have to be the person that like called my 80 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: parents to come get me because I wouldn't be able 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: to do it. But now I hear everybody's like fun 82 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: summer camp stories, I'm like, I could have gone it anytime. 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: Hannah, you went from living your love story publicly on 84 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: The Bachelor and The Bachelorette to writing a love story 85 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: in your new novel. It felt kind of like a 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: perfect next step from the outside looking in. What inspired 87 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,119 Speaker 2: you to write a romance novel? And are we talking 88 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: to the next Nora Roberts. What's happening here? I mean, 89 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: that would be amazing. I would love to be the 90 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: next Nora Roberts. But yeah, all of this happened just 91 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: so kind of out of the blue for me. I 92 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: didn't like think I would be a reality TV start 93 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: on a dating show much less like that was not 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: like something that I've put on my goals of twenty 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: nineteen or whatever. I know, And I wasn't even really 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: a person that watch shows like this, so it's kind 97 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: of wild that that is where my start was from. 98 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: But I always wanted to write a novel one day, 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: Like I remember talking to my mom in like high school, 100 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: early college, like saying, this would be a big goal 101 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: of mine. So that this has been kind of the 102 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: catalyst I'm so grateful for. Did you always love love? 103 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: It's actually funny. I used to say I wanted to 104 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: marry myself when I was little, So yeah, I've always 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: loved the idea of love, but I haven't always been 106 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: like consumed. That's why it's so funny that I was 107 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: the girl that went on a TV show to find 108 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: a husband, because I just wasn't that way. But then 109 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: I think once I got in college, and I think 110 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: the people that you're surrounded by can kind of make 111 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: you start feeling the pressure of that. Like seven of 112 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: my girlfriends in college got engaged their senior year, and 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: so I do remember during that time of my life, 114 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: and I was on the Bachelor, like right out of college, 115 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: like feeling this like desire or almost like need to 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: find love and to be married. 117 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: Isn't that so wild? Looking back? 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: It's so wild. 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: You're so young. 120 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: You have plenty of time, I know, and I was 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: the young fungus Bachelorette that they've had. I thought it 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: was so ready, and I'm like, I'm just now trying, 123 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: like really understanding what love is. You know, people followed 124 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: the journey of me trying to figure that out and 125 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 3: and kind of coming to more conclusions daily of what 126 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: that is, and then being able to kind of sprinkle 127 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: that into the stories that I'm able to create. Really 128 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: really cool. 129 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick break. 130 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Hannah Brown. 131 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: And we're back. 132 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 4: Hannah. 133 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: You talked about how young you were during the Bachelorette, 134 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: and I didn't even realize when I was watching the 135 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: show that you were just twenty four when you were filming. 136 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: You were pretty mature for a twenty four year old 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: on reality TV? 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: Oh was I? I mean there's some moments we could 139 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: question the maturity level. But kind of what I want 140 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: to ask you about. 141 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: You know, we think about reality TV now, I think 142 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: we're like twenty years into reality TV and we think 143 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: that it's sort of contrived. 144 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Or written, but there are moments that are real. Okay, 145 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: here's the thing I love when people ask me, like, 146 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 3: is it all real? Like? Yes, it actually really is. Now, 147 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: are there certain things that the television show or the 148 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: series like has that you do? Like, first of all, 149 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: you're not dating thirty people at a time, but you're 150 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: also not giving out roses at a rose ceremony that 151 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: lasts like hours long, Like yes, that is definitely scripted, 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: even like who I Call First? Like that is scripted, 153 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: but the feelings and the conversation is not as much. 154 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: It's just you're in a bubble that is not reality. 155 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: So it's real in that realm that is not real life. 156 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: Even though it's very unconventional. I do not like advise 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: dating that many people at one time. You do learn 158 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: a lot about what you like, things that you might 159 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: be like surprised that you like, and things that you 160 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: surprisingly you don't about a relationship. So I'm grateful for 161 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: it in a way, and it really helped and I 162 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: really learned a lot about what I didn't want and 163 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: that really helps me moving forward too. 164 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: I remember watching your season and what you went through 165 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: in the aftermath with Jed and everything, and it was 166 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: it was so hard to watch from afar, so I 167 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: can only imagine it was. It must have been horrible. 168 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: It was horrible, but you handled it. You handled it 169 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: so well. I mean I loved watching you on the Bachelorette. 170 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: But Hannah, I have to say I think my favorite 171 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: reality TV role of yours is on Fox's Special Forces 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: World's Toughest Test, because girl talk about defining things, perceptions 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: that people have of you, probably perceptions that you have 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: of yourself. How did you surprise yourself? I mean, you won. 175 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: We need to just put it out there that she won. 176 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: Still impressive, thank you. 177 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 178 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: I talk about mental health quite a bit, because you know, 179 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: I was on three reality shows in a year, and 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: before that had never like I went to college in 181 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: my hometown, Like my life changed so quickly, and then 182 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: there was so much life lived in such a short 183 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: amount of time, and a lot of like emotions. I 184 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: don't e think I had dealt with in that anxiety 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: and depression and everything like manifested even like in my 186 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: body and what I was able to do. And I've 187 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 3: always been pretty active and was not like didn't work 188 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: out for like a full year and basically just did 189 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: like physical therapy. And I haven't talked about it much 190 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: because I can't quite understand like just how much all 191 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: that took a toll, just my body in general, like 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: how but remember I got the call for the show, 193 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: and I just started working back out again, like feeling 194 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: like I wasn't just going to like get hurt or 195 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: have like so much inflammation. And they called it and 196 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so scared to do this because I 197 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: didn't know if I could like handle the mental part 198 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: of it, the emotional, physical, like all of it. Like 199 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: I knew it was going to be really tough. But 200 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: the reason I said yes to it is I really 201 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: needed to prove to myself that I was so much 202 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: stronger than I thought, because I had this limiting belief 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 3: that I was just completely broken and I really needed 204 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: something to prove myself. And I like talked to my 205 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: doctors and they're like, I really think you can do this, 206 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: And I did like hypnosis type things, like a lot 207 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: of preparing for pain. Mentally, I still wasn't at the 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: best like physical shape, I thought my mind, but I 209 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: was just slowly like getting prepared for it as much 210 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: as I could. But every day I was like, I 211 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,479 Speaker 3: can do this. Like I genuinely was like, I'm miserable, 212 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: but I can. I can make it one more day. 213 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: I can make it one more day. And just that 214 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: I was able to prove to myself how strong I 215 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: was mentally and physically when I felt so weak and broken. 216 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: That was something that like camera, you know, can't fully 217 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: capture how that made me feel. But it was so hard. 218 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: Wait, Hannah, I have a question about that, because when 219 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: you said that you were in a really tough place 220 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: before heading into this show, it really struck me personally. 221 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: When I was in like a very low place. 222 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: I signed up for a triathlon because I said, if 223 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't do something physical early in the morning, and 224 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: if I don't have something to train for, I'm not 225 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: going to get out of bed. Are you comfortable sharing 226 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: what sent you into this really low place? Because I'm 227 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: looking at your Instagram and like you're engaged on the outside, 228 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: look very happy, no one would really know what was 229 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: going on. 230 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: I really tried to live my life as like a 231 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: role model at all times, and then to be in 232 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: the public eye and get a lot of criticism from 233 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: a lot of different things. That was really tough because 234 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: everything that I had built my life on and what 235 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: I thought I was had come into question. And you know, 236 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: even when there is support, the thing that you're going 237 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: to listen to, and that's the loudest is any type 238 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: of criticism or things people are saying, especially if it 239 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: comes down to like character and who you are. And 240 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't handle it. It was about a year of 241 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: being pretty dark, but just keep working and distracting myself. 242 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: But then when all the distractions went away for like 243 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: a lot of people in COVID, that's when it got like, oh, 244 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: like I am really really not okay. I was actually 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 3: working on my first book about my life and was 246 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: also like reliving things that I had not really talked about. 247 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm so glad that I was able to like share 248 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: my story and so many people resonated with my first book. 249 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: God bless this mess. But that was really really hard 250 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: for me to process, and I just started therapy for 251 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: the first time as I was writing this book, so 252 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: it was just a lot of open wounds, really fresh 253 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: and then having to learn how to process. That was 254 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: really tough for me. And yet now, like I still 255 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: have them battles to this day. But I'm so grateful 256 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: for everything that has led up to this point to 257 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: be at the place that I am now. 258 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: And she's hydrating, she's reading her books, she's glowy. You 259 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: look very healthy. Yeah, I've never met you before, but 260 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: you look light and you look healthy, She's offering. 261 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, I really appreciate that because I've 262 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: been sick this past week. So if I'm looking healthy 263 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: now like i'm usually thriving, then. 264 00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: Well, it seems like you're in this new chapter of 266 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: your life mentally and emotionally. You're entering a new decade. 267 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: You mentioned you're thirty, you're newly engaged. Yeah, heading into 268 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: this new version of Hannah Brown. How has your idea 269 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: of love changed since that twenty four year old bachelorette. 270 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: I didn't even know what love was like it. Honestly, 271 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: that was a question I even had this past year 272 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: because of The relationship I have with my fiance now 273 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: is very, very different than any relationship that I've had before, 274 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: and I have learned that I have had to redefine 275 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: what love is, and love to me really is about 276 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: feeling safe and seen at the same time, and it's 277 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: creating a relationship. I think that is actually a lot 278 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: more powerful when you get you have choice in who 279 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: you decide to be with, Like, we built this relationship, 280 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: and that's really what love is. It's being able to 281 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: build a life with somebody. And even in the book Mistakes, 282 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: we never made like there's a reason why we struggle 283 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: with relationship and there's always a route to that and 284 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: the importance of being able to go on that journey 285 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: for yourself or with a partner, of being able to 286 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: find I think even Emma and Finn and the book, 287 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: you know, the main character has a lot of stuff 288 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: that she's suppressed about a relationship with her dad and 289 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: why she feels like she has to be the way 290 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: that she is and being able to like lightly bring 291 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: that in because that's truly what creates I think a strong, 292 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: beautiful love story of having another person kind of be 293 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: on that journey with you and give you that space 294 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: to work on the things that you need to work 295 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: on within yourself to be able to fully love somebody 296 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: else too. And I didn't know any of that at 297 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: twenty four. I didn't know any of that about it 298 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: at twenty four, and so to now be almost thirty 299 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: and you know, engaged in learning so much about love daily, 300 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: I'm excited and so thankful for the journey that it's 301 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: been for me and my relationship, but also to in 302 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: this new chapter of my life being an author to 303 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: be able to share that with other people while also 304 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: creating this beautiful, magical love story, but actually like adding 305 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: some truth in there along the way too. 306 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: All Right, we got to take a quick break with 307 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: author and TV personality Hannah Brown. Okay, healed, healthy, Hannah Brown, 308 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: I have a have a have a spicy question. We 309 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: like spicy questions on our show. A question that comes 310 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: up a lot is whether it's possible to be friends 311 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: with an ex. 312 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: We talk about this so much. 313 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why when it always comes up, and 314 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: you and Tyler Cameron still seem very close, like you 315 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: were just on his renovation show Going Home. 316 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: You also dated him in like a very public way. 317 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: It's I think it's totally different than most relational dynamics. 318 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: But what's your take on that question? Like, is it 319 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: healthy to be friends with an ex? Is it possible? 320 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: I think you can be supportive of an ex and 321 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: truly like want their happiness. And I think you can 322 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: be acquaintances of an ext Oh. 323 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 4: That's good, that's good. It's acquaintance. 324 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 325 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think you know, if you dated somebody 326 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: for a really long time and there's just, you know, 327 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: so much history, I think you can be acquaintances and 328 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: really like want the best for somebody. But I think 329 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: it takes a lot to even get to that point too. 330 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: But for them to be like at your barbecues in 331 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: your backyard with your new like, that's I think I think. 332 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 4: That's good too. What's what's your take on this? Now 333 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 4: we go back and forth. 334 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 3: No, I totally agree. Yeah, I mean I do too, 335 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: Like at different times, I'm like, maybe you know, you'll 336 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: see others, you'll see other people doing it well, So 337 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that maybe it can happen, but I 338 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: think for the majority, for giving advice for the masses, yeah, 339 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: let's be realistic. Probably not the best. 340 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: Surgeon General's warning is don't do it. 341 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: It depends how like serious the relationship was and where 342 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: you're at now. Okay, I am dying to know what 343 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: the bachelorette's bachelorette party looks like? 344 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: Is it a. 345 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: Hannah Brown on a yacht all in white bikini's Instagram moment? 346 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: Are you more chill? 347 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: Like? What is this looking? 348 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: What's the theme? 349 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: I really? I mean I haven't planned anything yet, but. 350 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: More chill. 351 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: I'm more chill just where I'm at. 352 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 2: We plan it right now? 353 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really am thinking like the Bahamas would be 354 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: so great. I mean, I love Mexico and I want 355 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: to go somewhere be with my girlfriends on a beach, 356 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: but very very chill. 357 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: Simone, and I realized today as we were thinking about 358 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: your interview that you are the winningest reality star. Yes, 359 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: the Bachelor, you technically won because you became the Bachelorette. 360 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: You one Dancing with the Star, You won Special Forces. 361 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: What is the secret? What is secret skill? The special sauce? 362 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: How are you winning everything? 363 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: I genuinely don't. I never like think I'm gonna win, 364 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: but I've now figured out my special secret sauce in therapy, 365 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: and I don't always think it's a great thing. But 366 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: what helps me a lot in these very specific, not 367 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: real life situations is I can get so dialed in, 368 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: Like when I'm on a show, nothing else matters, like 369 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: everyone is shut out. I am fully in it and 370 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: I can't deal with anything else. So it's really great 371 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: for something where like you don't have your phone for 372 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: a while and that's all that you're doing. I'm really 373 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 3: great at that, and I can shut every other like 374 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: emotion or thing that's going on in the outside world. 375 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 3: I'm just emotionally and mentally invested in what's like at hand. 376 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: Are you super competitive some people? Yes, I don't think 377 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: I'm competitive about Yeah. I guess I'm not competitive in 378 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: like everything in life. Like you know those people who 379 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: like are competitive about just like it could be any 380 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: little game and they're upset. No, I'm not like that, 381 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: Like I don't care about just every type of thing, 382 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: but like, yeah, when I'm in a competition like the 383 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: ones I've been in, yeah, I guess there is like 384 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: a drive. I have a drive about me. 385 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's the one to watch. 386 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: I agree, you are on a reality show with Hanna Brown, 387 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: She's the one to watch. 388 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: I normally would never ask somebody this because the idea 389 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 2: of asking, like what's next for you is like the 390 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: most annoying question. But you've worn so many different hats. 391 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: I am really curious what is on your bucket list, 392 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: Like what's on the horizon for you? 393 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Well, I'm working on book two now, 394 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: my romance novel, so I'm really excited about that. I 395 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: really want to get into real estate in some way, 396 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: which is just like my telling Sunset it's happening. I 397 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: started out in interior decorating. That's what I was doing 398 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 3: when I was on when I started The Bachelor, I'm 399 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: trying to bring everything back to my roots. So what 400 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: I was doing and what I loved well before I 401 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: was on a reality TV show. And oh, I mean 402 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: my big big dream I always say, just say, what's 403 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: your big dream is? I really want my books to 404 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: become movies. I've always wanted to produce some of my 405 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: own stories and bring them to life and on a 406 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: big screen. So that would be awesome, That's fabulous. I 407 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: might have wanted to marry myself, but I always loved 408 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: a good rom call me too, So to be able 409 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: to like do that would be really cool, so we'll see. 410 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm in a good place of just being like hungry 411 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: and driven, but also like realizing that everything's going to 412 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: work out. Some of the awesome once in a lifetime 413 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: opportunities that I've had I never could have dreamt of 414 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: and have come to me. So I'm just like really 415 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: open to everything, but also feeling really settled in a 416 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 3: way too, of like really loving what I'm doing and 417 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: just pursuing that. It's great to be a healed Hannah. 418 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: I sometimes miss the chaotic because like she was hilarious 419 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: and fun, but it feels better in this body to 420 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: feel more centered and grounded and working on that daily. 421 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for sharing your big dream with us. That's 422 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: not easy to say out loud sometimes, yeah, but I. 423 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: Think you have to, you know. I think that's like 424 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: one of the things that I've realized so much. You 425 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: just got to ask and sometimes people are going to 426 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: say yes and sometimes or not. But if you never ask, 427 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 3: or you never like say what the thing is, then 428 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: you're kind of giving yourself an out. And I don't 429 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: really want to out either. 430 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown never takes an out. If I know one 431 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: thing about Hannah, She's never going to take an out. Hannah, 432 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the bright side and being so 433 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: open with us. 434 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: This was so much fun. 435 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: It was so much fun. Thank you guys so much. 436 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown is a New York Times bestselling author and 437 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: television personality. Her debut romance novel, Mistakes We Never Made, 438 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: is out now. 439 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, writer and comedian Chelsea 440 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: Davontes is joining us for our first edition of Popping Off, 441 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: our pop culture segment where we break down the biggest 442 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: stories on our radar and on yours. Listen and follow 443 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 444 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. 445 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 4: I'm Simone Boye. 446 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: You can find me at Simone Voice on Instagram and TikTok. 447 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. 448 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: That's oro. 449 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: V ay see you tomorrow, folks. Keep looking on the 450 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: bright side.