Speaker 1: Look mader oh, I see you my own and look
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Speaker 2: Yes, we loves culture ding Dong lost culture. This calling.
Speaker 1: It's a big day. We've sang our guests song in
Speaker 1: front of her already because I.
Speaker 3: First heard about the truly Seminal Suerb. I was gonna
Speaker 3: say superior single two hands through you because you were
Speaker 3: saying in the group chat ooh, two hands just came
Speaker 3: on in the coffee shop and I couldn't help it.
Speaker 1: It was a shoulder shaker in the coffee shop. Did
Speaker 1: you say, like you you caught yourself like just trating
Speaker 1: you were giving you were giving tate in the coffee shop.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's one of those it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter who's around, right, you know what I'm saying. Just
Speaker 1: we haven't acknowledged this.
Speaker 3: This is and we're not like big dogging in front
Speaker 3: of our guests or anything, but we this.
Speaker 1: Is our first time we've seen our award twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four Webby Award winner Best Podcast Individual Episodes Comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really good. So we were we were
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe our guests could present us with the award. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you give us our Webby Award.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course what's a Webby.
Speaker 1: Okay, so much award is if you do anything on
Speaker 1: the internet like post or comments. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 1: might get.
Speaker 2: You can get nominated for a Webby.
Speaker 1: Anyone with any online activity is sort of up for this. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is the individual episodic comedy episode.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And so like, we're just kind of in our chairs. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I guess ceremony just pretend you're opening an envelope. Well,
Speaker 1: we're nervous.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four Webby Award winner goes to Matt
Speaker 2: Rogers and Bowie to get this from Tate McCray. Thank you,
Speaker 2: congratulations guys.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you have a speech for Baird. No,
Speaker 1: you guys just want to thank Tate McCray for gifting
Speaker 1: us with this. We couldn't have gotten from someone that's
Speaker 1: more important to culture at this moment. And this is
Speaker 1: going to dovetail into our intro. So close to what
Speaker 1: we are in, the so close to what era.
Speaker 3: We're in, the so close to what we're in, the
Speaker 3: mispossessive era, misposinessive tour.
Speaker 2: Era as it were, And we've been in the era.
Speaker 1: We've been in the era Okay.
Speaker 3: I think by the time this episode comes out, we
Speaker 3: we we've gotten to listen to the album. Early album
Speaker 3: comes out February twenty. First hitting tour.
Speaker 1: Starts March eighteenth, even the season tour, PISCE season tour.
Speaker 1: I think it's just after we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right after we got to talk.
Speaker 1: About your your signs and please, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about your.
Speaker 2: There's there's, there's three, we bring out the tarot cards.
Speaker 1: We don't know shit.
Speaker 3: She is someone who we've spoken up about on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Is an equally balanced three header just three hyphen it.
Speaker 3: I guess it's two hyphens, but it's three tight singer, songwriter, dancer,
Speaker 3: all three.
Speaker 1: She's truly incredible. The album hadn't come out. I think
Speaker 1: Lard hadn't come out when you were in SNL.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I was still making it.
Speaker 1: You were still making it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd heard Greedy obviously had heard you Broke Me first.
Speaker 1: I was like, I like this take.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: The first time I heard Tate was on you. It
Speaker 1: was on Troy's track.
Speaker 2: Great song.
Speaker 3: And then she comes on SNL and then it's whatever,
Speaker 3: we'll bring her in first, and then I wanted to
Speaker 3: I just want to tell you about this moment because
Speaker 3: it was truly an earth shaking moment for everybody at
Speaker 3: snl okay.
Speaker 1: But we love her so much.
Speaker 3: Listen to the album out February twenty. First, please welcome
Speaker 3: into your ears Tay Cray.
Speaker 1: You putting up with our bullshit and giving us for
Speaker 1: our award.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I didn't know what. I
Speaker 2: didn't know when to come in.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, we actually do we do
Speaker 1: that intro for everyone, and it's actually since we've started
Speaker 1: doing video, people get really upset because they see the
Speaker 1: person sitting there.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's not just like you. I
Speaker 2: felt like it was like a closed conversation. It was
Speaker 2: a close conversation everyone.
Speaker 1: The tots are going to be out there being like,
Speaker 1: why the fuck are they wasting her time?
Speaker 2: But they'll be fine. They sweet. They're sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to like sort of create a really nice fan
Speaker 1: community has to feel good.
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, they're great.
Speaker 1: Feel the exception to the rule. It feels like every
Speaker 1: fandom is like a little bit mean and they're terrifying.
Speaker 2: All stands I think are a little terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you get here? Were you ever a
Speaker 1: terrifying stand for someone and you get closest.
Speaker 2: I honestly, I think like the closest like fan girl
Speaker 2: I've been is like to Ariana Grande, Yeah, like I've
Speaker 2: just been obsessed with her for a very long yes,
Speaker 2: and I yeah, she's like the closest I think I've gotten.
Speaker 2: And then maybe like Rihanna, like yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: those two are like the girls that I'll like die
Speaker 2: for and Navy.
Speaker 3: But because this is the thing, like I'm sure the
Speaker 3: Britney comparisons are like flattering, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: you were like a Zygo when she was like out there,
Speaker 3: like already very popular.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: millennial gaze are like it's Britney two point know, like
Speaker 1: get on board, And I'm like, I wonder how you
Speaker 1: feel about that because she wasn't it wasn't like us
Speaker 1: what it was like we remember when Brittany came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think comparisons are just hard because like obviously
Speaker 2: every person that comes into the scene, they instantly get
Speaker 2: a comparison to people just like familiarity. But I think
Speaker 2: it's just hard because like you can't create, like recreate
Speaker 2: great art like that, like it's a new thing.
Speaker 3: I bring this up not to like reiterate this, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like you stand are because that is
Speaker 3: your generation of like coming up watching Nickelodeon and being like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I love her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't necessarily Brittany at the time because you
Speaker 3: were like still.
Speaker 2: Like like a baby baby zero literally zero years old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit. I want to be that was like
Speaker 2: being the knife is is a nice feeling.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to be an iPad baby more
Speaker 1: than anything else. But is just a baby that's on
Speaker 1: the iPad and there heaven, but there their brains are
Speaker 1: they are frying like a baby that just can absolutely
Speaker 1: slay a device.
Speaker 2: I think there's most babies now, It's crazy. Yeah, Tay.
Speaker 3: Do you think the slutty glasses are the accessory of
Speaker 3: the year? The little these ones, the ones that everyone
Speaker 3: wears as someone who's notas are not the slutty glasses.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying everyone's wearing the slut glasses.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you really pushed that forward in
Speaker 1: a huge way and really so proud, Yes.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I love the slutty glass. Like I think
Speaker 2: it's really nice.
Speaker 1: Right, why are you wearing them now?
Speaker 2: I didn't think it really fit. Today is a classy
Speaker 2: day to day Yeah, glassy day.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for classing it up, of.
Speaker 2: Course, have you No, I haven't really Okay, let's look please.
Speaker 2: I mean Dangerous Woman was like, yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: my shit. I just think that Into You is like
Speaker 2: the best pop song ever created.
Speaker 1: Have you got on record to say this before?
Speaker 2: Because I actually don't think so.
Speaker 1: This is this can unite, this can heal the nation's wounds. Okay,
Speaker 1: because we can all agree across generations that Into You
Speaker 1: is one of the best pop songs ever.
Speaker 2: I truly think it is one of the best of
Speaker 2: all times. And I think it like didn't at first,
Speaker 2: like get the recognition that it deserves. I do think
Speaker 2: it was actually pop perfection. And I remember talking to
Speaker 2: Ali about it, who like produced the song, and he
Speaker 2: was like, we crafted it over like such a long time,
Speaker 2: and yeah, chorus is insane. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a perfect song. So I think dangerous one was
Speaker 2: like my favorite. There's also just like little album cuts
Speaker 2: that when I was younger were just like my ship,
Speaker 2: just like in the car like really feeling them, like
Speaker 2: thinking about you and I and touch it or just
Speaker 2: like insane touch it.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like because into You loom so large,
Speaker 1: and people talk about that song even though it like
Speaker 1: was a single and people agreed didn't get the shine.
Speaker 1: The song that gets lost is touch It.
Speaker 2: I fully agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so good, those hooks crazy wait, I was
Speaker 3: It's okay, I'm okay hmm, So talk about that is
Speaker 3: the first time working.
Speaker 1: With him, right, I've worked with them a couple he
Speaker 1: did stuff on the last album he.
Speaker 2: I've worked with him like a couple of times, but
Speaker 2: we haven't released that many records together. I write all
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah yeah, but this was like one of
Speaker 2: my first first ones I wrote with him.
Speaker 1: When I first became like super aware of you. Was
Speaker 1: You Broke Me First? And do you want to know why?
Speaker 1: It's because I was scrolling and Kelly Clarkson had covered
Speaker 1: You Broke Me First on her show, and I remember
Speaker 1: she did like a different arrangement of it, like she
Speaker 1: did like a more like like I guess Kelly Clarkson,
Speaker 1: but the lyrics were jumping out and I was like,
Speaker 1: I get why she picked this song because they're the
Speaker 1: lyrics are great, and you're such a great writer, and
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes in the dance of it all,
Speaker 1: like when you see someone like slaying as hard and
Speaker 1: executing on such a level as you are, people aren't
Speaker 1: realizing that there's like real writing going on. Have you
Speaker 1: been doing that since before you started like taking dance
Speaker 1: as seriously or was it always like an equal passion
Speaker 1: or is that something that you discovered when you realize
Speaker 1: like recorded music could be a thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I started off as a dancer. Yeah, so trained
Speaker 2: super intensely since I was eight years old, like forty
Speaker 2: hours a week, Like I was at a ballet school.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, your ballet train, that's intense.
Speaker 2: Like six hours of ballet a day, like very intense.
Speaker 2: At one point, I like literally went to Berlin to
Speaker 2: become a ballerina, like wow. And then I was like
Speaker 2: this is for me, yeah, because it was so difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I was twelve at the time. I was
Speaker 2: like competing in ballet, Like I was just like I
Speaker 2: need to I was so creative. I just needed to
Speaker 2: like not do the same thing every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it was the you can get dance
Speaker 1: after yea, so thin you.
Speaker 2: Dance at age thirteen and then when I was thirteen,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I was competing my whole life. Dance was
Speaker 2: like everything to me. I was like, there's this is
Speaker 2: the only thing I'm going to do in my life
Speaker 2: is dance. And then I went on So you Think
Speaker 2: you Can Dance and move to LA for two and
Speaker 2: a half months, and then got back home to Calgary
Speaker 2: and I was I was just like, I am so bored, right,
Speaker 2: I was just on TV came third place. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was really crazy two and a half months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were in it till the bitter at
Speaker 1: We were in too.
Speaker 2: The end and I was like the only Canadian on
Speaker 2: this like American voted show.
Speaker 1: It was right, which is kind of impressive to place third.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was weird, like none of my
Speaker 2: friends or family could like vote in the show. I'm like, well, fuck,
Speaker 2: this sucks. But yeah. So I got home and I
Speaker 2: started this YouTube channel and I was like I'm going
Speaker 2: to choreograph dances every week and post them every Friday
Speaker 2: and post on YouTube. And then one day my camera
Speaker 2: broke and I was like, fuck my camera broke, Like
Speaker 2: this is ruined, Like my Friday posting isn't happening. So
Speaker 2: then I locked myself in my bedroom and I was
Speaker 2: just like, I'm just gonna write a song. And so
Speaker 2: I taught myself how to play the chords of Tequila
Speaker 2: by Dan and Shay. Wow. Great song, Wow. And I
Speaker 2: started playing these like c chords and then wrote this
Speaker 2: song in like two hours, and then showed my parents
Speaker 2: and they were like, absolutely not, you cannot like put
Speaker 2: this song in. I was like, this is like not good.
Speaker 2: Like they didn't get it at the time that.
Speaker 1: You were in the zone. You were locked the fuck in.
Speaker 1: I was locked in two hours, you wrote a song.
Speaker 2: I was locked in. They were like, can you please
Speaker 2: shut up? I was like singing so much, and then
Speaker 2: like blew up overnight and just became that song. Blew
Speaker 2: up overnight, like got called by like fourteen record labels
Speaker 2: within like two weeks, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: like I was like, Okay, maybe I should like start
Speaker 2: songwriting more. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like there was a time when
Speaker 3: dance got kind of compartmentalized into something else, and then
Speaker 3: you merged the two, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then after eventually when I released She Broke
Speaker 2: Me First at age sixteen, I was still in high school,
Speaker 2: finishing homeschooling and finishing everything, and then doing dance on
Speaker 2: one side and then singing on the other side. My
Speaker 2: career started to like pick up a little bit, and
Speaker 2: but I was stuck at home in COVID, So I
Speaker 2: started this like singing career. But I was like, dance
Speaker 2: is just so separate, like this isn't a thing that
Speaker 2: should be mixed. Like, so I just never knew how
Speaker 2: to connect the dots. I was just like, this will
Speaker 2: be the one side of me, and then the other
Speaker 2: side of me is just a thing of the past, right,
Speaker 2: And that obviously as I grew up, like seventeen eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: I was just like something is like really missing. And
Speaker 2: then I ended up like being like I want to
Speaker 2: do pop more and yeah, and so then I feel
Speaker 2: like I've like finally found a perfect mesh of like
Speaker 2: dance and singing.
Speaker 1: So what happened at SNL was you came in on Thursdays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened.
Speaker 3: It's just because we get the feed the camera feed
Speaker 3: upstairs on the seventeenth floor as we're writing and doing
Speaker 3: rewrites for the week. It was Jason Momoa as your host. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a fun show. It was he was like
Speaker 3: giving everybody his like new vodka. Did he give you
Speaker 3: a bottle of vodka?
Speaker 2: My books? Okay, thank god because you were a minor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were on the bleachers. You were doing greedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone was like it reminded me of when
Speaker 3: we when BTS came and like they were doing their
Speaker 3: dances and everyone was like, ah something like something about
Speaker 3: dance on that stage is really really powerful, right, and
Speaker 3: you were doing it like throwing your I love. I
Speaker 3: was going crazy because and this is a crazy comparison,
Speaker 3: but I've been watching like old Jackie Chan movies and
Speaker 3: like that man uses his body like a fucking Swiss
Speaker 3: army knife, and you were doing the same. I was like,
Speaker 3: you were going off and we were all screaming and
Speaker 3: with Joy being like this girl is amazing. And it
Speaker 3: was this moment on the and the writer's room where
Speaker 3: we're all like we're just freaking out over you.
Speaker 2: Really, I was so nervous. I would imagine it also
Speaker 2: just feels like on that stage is so small, like
Speaker 2: doing a dance break. I was like, is this kind
Speaker 2: of weird? I didn't know. I really didn't know, because
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my god, it's just like
Speaker 2: a little extra to be doing a full dance break
Speaker 2: on like a little box.
Speaker 1: Oh, but I get because it is so much smaller
Speaker 1: than you think. When you go in there, you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is the whole last set.
Speaker 2: And also the sound in there is very like it's weird, weird.
Speaker 2: It's just a little empty sounding like it's like full
Speaker 2: but then also empty in a way like I could
Speaker 2: hear every sneaker, Like that's so crazy crazy.
Speaker 3: Because it's like basically like we call them the bleachers
Speaker 3: as it were, but it's like a mezzanine and it's wide,
Speaker 3: and then the floor audience is like to your left, yes,
Speaker 3: and so you're performing this way, but most of the
Speaker 3: audiences like in this concentration, and it's just.
Speaker 2: You're not really performing to the audience.
Speaker 1: Or to the cameras in a way.
Speaker 3: It's hard to parse it out, but like did like
Speaker 3: the experience on like a show. I got a TV
Speaker 3: show help with that before or now, I think so.
Speaker 2: The weird part about dancing and singing is when I
Speaker 2: was a dancer, I used to like hold on my
Speaker 2: nerves in my throat all right, and then I can
Speaker 2: just cough on stage and they no one would hear
Speaker 2: me because the music was loud.
Speaker 1: You're you're an asthma legend.
Speaker 2: I'm an asthma legend. Yeah, that's a crazy asthma legends.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you embrace it?
Speaker 1: Or did I say something insane?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I do embrace it, thank you. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: stuck with me.
Speaker 1: You've had to embrace it.
Speaker 2: I had to. Ye. Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've just heard you talking about your in tailor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I embrace it.
Speaker 1: You must. There's no choice but to embrace it, because
Speaker 1: it's there is Greedy, the song that changed everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think you wrote me first changed like
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then Greedy I think changed just
Speaker 2: like the way people like maybe looked at me right
Speaker 2: just because they didn't know I danced that part.
Speaker 1: That's I guess what I mean is it's like when
Speaker 1: I say changed everything, I'm specifically talking about like the
Speaker 1: way that you fuse both sides of your creativity, because honestly,
Speaker 1: when I heard you broke me first, it would never
Speaker 1: have crossed my mind that you were not only a dancer,
Speaker 1: but the best dancer. Then when I found out you
Speaker 1: know she came from so you think you could dance.
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, because it really does soul polar opposite.
Speaker 1: And so then you make this decision. And is Greedy
Speaker 1: a song that unlocked things or was it like that
Speaker 1: just the single in that group of things.
Speaker 2: I think it unlocked a lot from me. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think figuring out how to write over a beat that
Speaker 2: I would actually dance to was like mission impossible for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I write ballads and I know
Speaker 2: how to write over piano and chords and things that
Speaker 2: make me feel things, and then I basically just had
Speaker 2: to train myself to write over beats. Yeah, and it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's just like a learning how to do something.
Speaker 3: Even the style of songwriting is changing. Is You've also
Speaker 3: said that, like you like doing your set of chords,
Speaker 3: but now it's like songwriting now is like it's got to.
Speaker 1: Take a weird little turn and the middle or something unpredictable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it hard to keep up with?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I think you're It's just times are
Speaker 2: different now. Like I used to write songs for my
Speaker 2: middle school and high school emotional self, and that was
Speaker 2: just like my form of expression and very therapeutic for me.
Speaker 2: And now it's like my career, so it feels like
Speaker 2: now I envision it on tour, I envision it like
Speaker 2: I think there's just like way more components that come
Speaker 2: into the songwriting room that just change it for me.
Speaker 2: And that's like very inspiring. Thinking about tour and thinking
Speaker 2: about performances while you're writing it.
Speaker 1: Has just different because I would imagine like will you
Speaker 1: will you break it down and like do like not
Speaker 1: to reveal what you're going to be doing, but like
Speaker 1: will you give an acoustic set? Like is that something
Speaker 1: that exciting?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love acoustic seats too, because then it feels
Speaker 2: like that full side of.
Speaker 4: Me that you know isn't like the right what I
Speaker 4: usually do on story because you would imagine that it's
Speaker 4: like like I'm someone that knew you from you broke
Speaker 4: me first, and what struck me at first because I
Speaker 4: wasn't even hearing you singing.
Speaker 1: I was hearing Kelly singing. I was like, well, these
Speaker 1: lyrics are great. And also for that to be one
Speaker 1: of your early songs, it's kind of complicated that like no.
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of like complicated. So just songwriting
Speaker 1: jumped out to me first and then but but probably
Speaker 1: the world first like heard you on Greedy and like
Speaker 1: knows you as a dancer, so this, yeah, probably people,
Speaker 1: most people don't know that you're going to give the
Speaker 1: songwriting depth that you're gonna give, So that's going to
Speaker 1: be exciting for people to discover at the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think my my real fans know that. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it is difficult because people only see like me doing
Speaker 2: a dance break online and they'll be like, she never sings, right,
Speaker 2: I'm singing this whole shah.
Speaker 1: I've been singing.
Speaker 2: I've been singing, and someone they just like they only
Speaker 2: see the hands breaks. So then I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: like it's sometimes like you need to watch the whole show.
Speaker 2: You don't know, you don't know the whole picture. I think.
Speaker 3: I think the rollout for this album has been like
Speaker 3: mission accomplished. It's like it's like it is all living
Speaker 3: in the same space, thank you, because like it's okay,
Speaker 3: I'm okay.
Speaker 1: Like the first time I saw it, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's he was getting arrested.
Speaker 2: Moment.
Speaker 3: It's a pop moment, and then there we went there
Speaker 3: and then two Hands. I'm like, this is this is
Speaker 3: the best thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Do you have a car? Thing?
Speaker 2: It was mostly just because I feel like the album
Speaker 2: was like a lot of it just uh was around
Speaker 2: like these road visuals. Every time that I would like
Speaker 2: write a song, just envision like a never ending road.
Speaker 2: And maybe that was because I was literally on the
Speaker 2: road all year and like felt like things were never ending. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I had that like con and visual in my head.
Speaker 2: Some I heard two Hands, I was like, we can
Speaker 2: do a video like this that could be really sick.
Speaker 2: And then sports car has happened to be the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay you literally you're saying tour felt never ending?
Speaker 1: You just finished? Yeah, you're you're about to go back?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How does that sit with you? I mean luckily
Speaker 2: I love tour. Yeah, I think it's very fun. This
Speaker 2: is also my first time doing arenas, yeah, which has
Speaker 2: been like a lifelong dream of mine. So I'm very
Speaker 2: like excited for that. That have to be It's like
Speaker 2: feels like a new chapter. I also, as a dancer,
Speaker 2: I feel like you are just used to just say
Speaker 2: never stopping.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, the pace of life is is it
Speaker 1: will be daunting for anyone, but it's something that you're
Speaker 1: accustomed to. Yeah, I think so as a dnswer because
Speaker 1: the ballet training is like you might as well be
Speaker 1: living in like a nunnery.
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Discipline it is.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's exhausting, honestly that about ballerinas. I think
Speaker 2: I have like one of the hardest jobs in the world. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is easier to sometimes being a pop star feels
Speaker 2: a little easier in some way, like a little bit
Speaker 2: like a little more relaxing.
Speaker 1: Do you find that you can connect with like other
Speaker 1: pop girls, like because I would have like because it
Speaker 1: sounds like of course for fans being like, oh, like
Speaker 1: they think about the pop girly thing and like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's that discussion obviously about like Charlie and Lord and
Speaker 1: like them bridging the gap and everything. How have you
Speaker 1: felt it's been like entering that lexicon of people, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like pop girls, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's like support and it's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we luckily, I think right now, are
Speaker 2: in a time of just like there's so much hate
Speaker 2: on the internet and so much hate in the world
Speaker 2: that like, internally, it's just like very supportive, the most supportive,
Speaker 2: and all we want to do is see each other
Speaker 2: when yeah, like all my friends and I we just
Speaker 2: have very wholesome relationships. Anytime we hang out. It's just
Speaker 2: very very wholesome. I think that's very lucky right now
Speaker 2: because it is like we all know how much we
Speaker 2: get like beat up on the internet, So it's like
Speaker 2: nice to have friends that like are.
Speaker 1: Actually real demonic outside of your.
Speaker 2: We're like knit. Like it's literally like very sweet because the.
Speaker 3: Only thing you guys have in common is that you
Speaker 3: are getting insane energy from the internet.
Speaker 1: That is the only thing you guys. But because of
Speaker 1: them in that circumstance, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that is like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is weird. It is weird because
Speaker 2: sometimes like you're just like I just started writing for
Speaker 2: fun and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it becomes this fucking thing.
Speaker 2: It becomes huge, like whoa, Like you don't expect to
Speaker 2: get We know that you're like meant to be judged
Speaker 2: and music is subjective, but you never expect like the
Speaker 2: personal attacks that breaks out, Like you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is a huge deal for no reason. Rites and that
Speaker 2: is crazy.
Speaker 1: Was Amy Allen?
Speaker 2: She was?
Speaker 1: She was She was on Think Later too, or you
Speaker 1: guys were working together even before that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started working with her on Think Later and
Speaker 2: this album.
Speaker 1: And this album.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's getting this like shine now because
Speaker 3: of the Grammy. Yeah, you just want and like like
Speaker 3: working through you and like sabrin it. It's like talk
Speaker 3: about that process because it seems like you two are
Speaker 3: very keyed into each other in terms of like the
Speaker 3: work ethic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Amy Allen is one of the most
Speaker 2: talented songwriters I've ever met in my life. She's so incredible,
Speaker 2: such a badass girl. I worked with her and Julia
Speaker 2: Michael's a lot on this album. I think it's just interesting,
Speaker 2: like no one understands a girl perspective quite like another girl.
Speaker 2: So like you can like have other producers in the room,
Speaker 2: but it's just like she gets it. Like I can
Speaker 2: kind of just like say this is happening with my
Speaker 2: boyfriend em and she'll be like, oh my god, exactly
Speaker 2: the same and it's easier.
Speaker 1: To like put in towards yeah, totally, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's very inspiring. We have two different like processes in
Speaker 2: songwriting and obviously different perspective is because we're just have
Speaker 2: grown up differently. So it's it's been really fun. I
Speaker 2: just feel like I get new knowledge every time I
Speaker 2: work with her.
Speaker 1: So when you guys are together, is it like she
Speaker 1: hops on keys and like what is it?
Speaker 2: Like? What M say?
Speaker 1: No, I'm literally like sometimes when I see these people,
Speaker 1: like I just wonder, like who actually plays in the room?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean the process to me is what's so interesting?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well it kind of depends. So if I'm in
Speaker 2: the studio alone and I'm just writing on my own,
Speaker 2: someone will play chords or whatever, and I'll like sit
Speaker 2: in the corner for like a couple hours, right, go
Speaker 2: into the studio track and that's it. If I'm with
Speaker 2: like a co writer like an Amy or Julia or Ryan,
Speaker 2: usually will start a beat or whatever. We'll kind of
Speaker 2: get like the vibe for the song. Then we'll discuss
Speaker 2: what the song is about. I see, you need to
Speaker 2: be on the same page, right, You're working towards the
Speaker 2: same goal, right, And then it usually just becomes like this,
Speaker 2: like you find the magic at some point of what
Speaker 2: the song is and what you both relate on and
Speaker 2: then you kind of just like spit back and forth.
Speaker 2: It's like different lyrics back and forth and until the
Speaker 2: song is like built.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times that like starting with a
Speaker 1: beat in a track and then like a feeling develops
Speaker 1: around it for sure. Yeah, yeah cool.
Speaker 3: Is there a preference on a style? Is it like
Speaker 3: is solo? Because speaking this is not quite the same thing.
Speaker 3: Like I always prefer writing with people. Yeah, when it
Speaker 3: comes to like you know, comedy or scripts or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like I've learned to like not feel so bad
Speaker 3: about like, oh I don't do so well.
Speaker 2: On my own.
Speaker 1: But do you have one preference?
Speaker 2: It's honestly just different like you other people have different strengths.
Speaker 2: Like Ryan Teddor is so good at a pop chorus,
Speaker 2: like and that is his strength. So I'm just like god,
Speaker 2: if I'm yeah, like if I want to walk into
Speaker 2: a room and I want to write a pop song
Speaker 2: like Ryan Amy, those are like pop choruses that like
Speaker 2: usually write the first thing they sing is like feels
Speaker 2: really good. But if I'm writing something that I feel like,
Speaker 2: is it hard to communicate? Like sometimes I feel like
Speaker 2: I can't really have a hard time discussing my emotions totally,
Speaker 2: so explaining it to someone is really even more complicated.
Speaker 2: So what I do is I need to be alone.
Speaker 2: I need to like have my subconscious thoughts like spit
Speaker 2: it out for me, and then I can like find
Speaker 2: perspective on the situation the relationship because I just really
Speaker 2: am not great at communicating and that's like why I
Speaker 2: started writing in the first place. But if I have
Speaker 2: like a concept it's less deep, deep deep in the
Speaker 2: back of your head, then it's it's fine with another person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because either way, you're just making sense of what
Speaker 3: the song is about, whether it's just you needing to
Speaker 3: like spill it out, like spill for a couple hours,
Speaker 3: or that you're like reconvening with Ryan and Amy and
Speaker 3: Julia to be like, what is this going to be? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the same destination.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of times where concepts are really
Speaker 2: obvious and they're like, oh, this is what I need
Speaker 2: to write about whatever. And then there's a lot of
Speaker 2: times where you can only fine perspective at the end
Speaker 2: of the process because then you figure out what you
Speaker 2: actually meant, and that just takes a lot of digging,
Speaker 2: like and that's where I need to be alone. But
Speaker 2: but like if it is an obvious like concept and
Speaker 2: it it's just like a something that is happening in
Speaker 2: my everyday life. There's some things that are sometimes like
Speaker 2: buried so deep that you're just like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know where this came from.
Speaker 1: What's an example of an obvious concept on the album?
Speaker 2: I would say an obvious concept like a song called Signs.
Speaker 2: I love Favorites. Signs is like the most obvious because
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, can you please fucking read my mind?
Speaker 2: Like you need to just like do better.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to read me if this
Speaker 1: is going to move forward, I shouldn't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: Literally, you should just know. You should know already. So
Speaker 2: this was me and Amy walking in. It was a
Speaker 2: five minute combo being like literally read my mind, and
Speaker 2: then we started writing the song. So that was very obvious. Yes,
Speaker 2: quick conversation, nothing too deep. I would say a song
Speaker 2: like Purple lce Bram Yeah, took a second to Like.
Speaker 2: It was me writing some concepts on my own and
Speaker 2: then came into the room and I cracked it with
Speaker 2: Amy because I had an idea and she helped me,
Speaker 2: like shape it a little yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So that one was like a little less obvious.
Speaker 1: So just like connect all this to when you were younger,
Speaker 1: because like songwriter is something you find out of like
Speaker 1: the camera, break camera, but before that, like you're doing
Speaker 1: dance and we'll ask you like the central question of
Speaker 1: the podcast in a second. But I just wonder, like
Speaker 1: as someone who was around you know, girls doing dance
Speaker 1: contests all the time, and like that was such a
Speaker 1: fun thing that we all did with each other as kids,
Speaker 1: Like did you have a long period of dance being
Speaker 1: really fun for you before it became like a job,
Speaker 1: and if so, or if not, how did you find
Speaker 1: the fun in it?
Speaker 2: Again, I've always just been obsessed with dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got like it's too much on the schedule,
Speaker 1: Like I'm hating dance right now.
Speaker 2: It's not really. It only started to get ugly at
Speaker 2: like age sixteen seventeen, where I was like I want
Speaker 2: to go to high school. I hear and I want
Speaker 2: to be a kid. And I remember feeling that was
Speaker 2: like I want to go to school with my brother.
Speaker 2: I want to go to a party. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 2: do alcohol. I want to like it was just like
Speaker 2: that feeling of like I need to be normal.
Speaker 1: Right, and yet you have this extraordinary gift and opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was a catch shooting two
Speaker 2: because I felt like the coolest I ever felt was
Speaker 2: when I was like in my element, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like cool in school or like my personality always
Speaker 2: felt like a little awkward. And so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll feel myself when I am in my art and
Speaker 2: in my craft, and that's when people will like fully
Speaker 2: understand me. So it was weird because then I went
Speaker 2: to high school and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like now I've even more feelings because I feel so
Speaker 2: out of place. Yeah, and it was like not at
Speaker 2: ballet school anymore. And so then it drove me after
Speaker 2: that to like, you know, I think, really get into
Speaker 2: it again, like so to go.
Speaker 1: Back to it, yeah, because high school is a fucking beast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think looking back, it was the hardest time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they they really tried to make you think this
Speaker 1: is the best four years ever. You're always gonna want
Speaker 1: to be You couldn't pay me to go back. No, No,
Speaker 1: I felt the same. High school was interesting.
Speaker 3: Calgary High School was interesting, like what's the vibe in
Speaker 3: Calgary High School?
Speaker 2: Probably the same ke No, Honestly, it was like it
Speaker 2: was like normal. It was just like the.
Speaker 3: Vibe okay, because I grew up in first a quick
Speaker 3: little second, I grew up in Brastward in Quebec. Oh whoa, okay,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's a French Canadian thing, but it's like
Speaker 3: it always seemed a little bit ironically. It seemed a
Speaker 3: little bit grittier, okay, like more in your face. But
Speaker 3: that's maybe the French, the French Canada thing.
Speaker 2: Like probably Calgary, I don't know, but Calgary feels like
Speaker 2: it's like it's not it's not BC.
Speaker 1: It's like it feels like for real Canadian. It's like Canada.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It is the streets, the
Speaker 2: streets in Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one Street so okay. So but it just it
Speaker 1: was rough.
Speaker 3: It was just hard. It was it made you feel
Speaker 3: like it made us feel like crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't. It does didn't make me feel a
Speaker 2: little crazy because I was just like, oh, I feel
Speaker 2: really out of place, and I I feel so I thought,
Speaker 2: I like overthought and over analyzed myself before this. Now
Speaker 2: I'm like my personality is like the biggest problem in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: So would you say, like, did that be the songwriting
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that that's when I like really started. So,
Speaker 2: I mean I loved writing since I was a little kid.
Speaker 2: I'd write short stories and poems all the time. But
Speaker 2: that's when I really started to get into a songwriting
Speaker 2: because I felt so fucking crazy and I was just like,
Speaker 2: people need to understand me.
Speaker 1: It's like the second or third time you've said that
Speaker 1: it's about being understood. It's not about being like impress
Speaker 1: or anything, which I think is so interesting because your
Speaker 1: skills are so impressive. But it's not about that. It's
Speaker 1: about more you getting yourself across and being understood for sure.
Speaker 2: That's what it has always been for me. Is just
Speaker 2: like literally not being able to explain myself and then
Speaker 2: being able to explain myself fully through dance and singing
Speaker 2: and feeling so seen exactly how I want. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: You feel like when you listen to your albums, like,
Speaker 1: is that the number one thing you want? Is like
Speaker 1: I feel like I got myself across there, like or
Speaker 1: what is it that's the goal?
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to do that because sometimes you're
Speaker 2: so locked in a bubble that of perfecting songs that
Speaker 2: you're just like, WHOA, what was that? Yeah, But that's
Speaker 2: I think, at the end of the day, the goal
Speaker 2: out of about every album.
Speaker 3: I think last time we were like, I have a
Speaker 3: harder time writing from a place of like joy and
Speaker 3: happiness because I is that so true?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think.
Speaker 3: I asked that in such a crazy way. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: because you do write in this place like I need
Speaker 3: to get these emotions out, I need to process in
Speaker 3: this way. And totally I don't need to process happiness
Speaker 3: because I'm feeling happy.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be driven to express.
Speaker 2: You know, I am. I think I'm a pretty happy person.
Speaker 1: Like I asked that in such a crazy way, I'm saying, no, No,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: A great way. I mean, it's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a very normally happy and like
Speaker 2: stable person, but then there's like one little hole instead
Speaker 2: of me that's so fucking sad. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is, and it's just like that's what
Speaker 2: I write from.
Speaker 1: Do you get closer to figuring it out?
Speaker 2: Like is it? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Men?
Speaker 5: Well, it's not now the answer is always yes, yes, no,
Speaker 5: I really don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's always like it's been since I was like a
Speaker 2: little little kid. It may be because I'm a cancer yeah,
Speaker 2: okay Scorpio Okay, yeah, what I know more about Piscis
Speaker 2: than I do Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Scorpio is the dark piss whoa And I say that
Speaker 1: and and and like all positive ways, Like Scorpio has
Speaker 1: the edge that Pisces can't muster up. And I feel
Speaker 1: that way about cancer too.
Speaker 2: That we don't have the edge.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you have cancer queens.
Speaker 2: Right, we're like a little spicy but really sense it's protective, right, like,
Speaker 2: so that's the hard shell, whereas like Scorpio, that's it's
Speaker 2: more of the stinger, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: like Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Don't cross because I mean I always say about him,
Speaker 1: he doesn't suffer fools, right, Whereas I'm like I I
Speaker 1: will give everyone of the benefit of the doubt until
Speaker 1: and blame myself until I'm a puddle. Right.
Speaker 2: But cancer and pieces get along really well, same with Scorpios.
Speaker 1: We're worthy three water signs. Yeah cool, we all belong
Speaker 1: to splashing around together in those and we can protect
Speaker 1: each other but also open each other up.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like when you do write from
Speaker 3: a place of joy and happiness, it like it is
Speaker 3: a huge sort of success because is like two hands.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so joyful.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Well, I think then that clicks into
Speaker 2: my like performer side. Yeah, it feels like my alter
Speaker 2: ego feels like my side on tour, feels like the
Speaker 2: mode that isn't my like sensitive self is like what
Speaker 2: I turn on when it's time to perform. Yes, and
Speaker 2: that's if I'm going to write that kind of song,
Speaker 2: I have to be in that headspace.
Speaker 1: So my question is, like when when you are like
Speaker 1: creating a record that like pretty much already beforehand because
Speaker 1: you've had such huge success on streaming and radio and everything,
Speaker 1: and you're such an exciting artist and you're creating a
Speaker 1: new album, is there the pressure every time to go
Speaker 1: in there and like write a hit or is it
Speaker 1: more just about like today we're writing a single, or
Speaker 1: like today we're right, we're trying to fill out like
Speaker 1: something that I want to explore. Like, I guess how
Speaker 1: intentional is the process of writing something that's meant to catch.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so hard because I try not to
Speaker 2: approach it that way because you just want to like
Speaker 2: go in and experiment for like months, and there hits
Speaker 2: a point where your labels like okay, experimentation is done,
Speaker 2: where's the single? And then it becomes really fucking stressful
Speaker 2: because then then you're just like, oh my god, what's
Speaker 2: the song? And this is where I become the most
Speaker 2: indecisive person. Of course, like my team like wants to
Speaker 2: shoot me when I'm picking a single because I can't
Speaker 2: decide and I can't hurt.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy like that they do turn to you
Speaker 1: and then they're like I even for me and my
Speaker 1: like comedy album, Like they turned to me and they
Speaker 1: were like, so, what's the single? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to pick. I feel like isn't that
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like it's kind of nice that it's
Speaker 1: your responsibility, but also you're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh god, you see it. It's like you can
Speaker 2: see your own work when you're in the middle of
Speaker 2: creating it, like yeah, so many words and jumbles and
Speaker 2: you're like hearing yourself talk and sing back. That's like
Speaker 2: you can't pick right, you.
Speaker 1: Can't pick it's also like such a ready made rag
Speaker 1: from the fan community, like, oh, she picked the wrong
Speaker 1: you know. We we as like people that talk about
Speaker 1: pop culture like all the time, like we're guilty of it,
Speaker 1: like you, I mean, like when our fave like in retrospect,
Speaker 1: like clearly should have picked something else as the first single.
Speaker 1: It's like you know you you're like it's like a thing,
Speaker 1: but it's not as easy as it's so.
Speaker 2: It's a special skill and I don't have it. Really
Speaker 2: cannot make a single. It's so not obvious to me.
Speaker 2: It also sounds the same.
Speaker 1: But that shouldn't be part of your job.
Speaker 2: No, but literally that sucks. It is literally part of
Speaker 2: my job and very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how have you felt about the singles this this
Speaker 1: go around? Like are you excited about the ones you picked?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. Yeah, I think everything happens for
Speaker 2: a reason. Yeah, what's the reason? The reason is like
Speaker 2: I think you can always have doubts about songs, not
Speaker 2: like things about some songs, like things about other songs
Speaker 2: and wish The worst part is like you love things
Speaker 2: and then it's like the week to release. You know,
Speaker 2: this is the worst fucking song I've ever heard in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Because you've listened to it too much at that.
Speaker 2: Point, yes, and now you're just like processing it too much.
Speaker 2: But I think Single Type for a reason. I think
Speaker 2: they've like they make sense and the album will make
Speaker 2: it all come together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite song off the album? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the one you can't wait for everyone.
Speaker 2: To get to? Okay, I'm excited for Blood on my Hands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I'm excited for Like I Do because I feel
Speaker 2: like it's a little different.
Speaker 1: Like I Do is great flow Millie I've loved forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great. She's got like she does sound great.
Speaker 2: I've just also never done a song like that with
Speaker 2: a rapper, right.
Speaker 1: It's your first time with like a hip hop feature.
Speaker 1: Oh great, I know it's fun major.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I want to shout out green Light because
Speaker 3: the bridge on that there's is it a vocal effect
Speaker 3: because there's like.
Speaker 1: A like you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, seck, thank you green Light too.
Speaker 1: I think that was another one of our favorites. Shout
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Green Light was one that I wrote on my own
Speaker 2: that was a hidden one where I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how I feel right now in this relationship,
Speaker 2: and not in not in a bad way, not in
Speaker 2: like I don't know how I feel. It was more
Speaker 2: or less just being like what am I feeling? And
Speaker 2: what I had felt was I was like still hurt
Speaker 2: from a past relationship. Yeah, and then I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like waiting at it a green
Speaker 2: light and I literally just can't press the gas. And
Speaker 2: I thought that was such a weird feeling, and that
Speaker 2: was like the road metaphor, But that one was that
Speaker 2: almost funch right. I like that one too.
Speaker 1: It's like there's wow, there's like the poetry in that
Speaker 1: is like huge, thank you. Yeah. I feel that way
Speaker 1: so many times. Yeah, it's just it's hard to believe
Speaker 1: in yourself, Like it's hard to believe that you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure you're giving me the go ahead, but is it
Speaker 1: gonna be worth it once you like really get on
Speaker 1: the ride with me. Totally's and it's scary of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you just like can't unhear or undo
Speaker 2: things that have happened to you in the past. Care
Speaker 2: just stuck with you like you are now just a
Speaker 2: reflection of your past, and you have to learn how
Speaker 2: to like have a better experience and overshadow that, or
Speaker 2: you know, fall in love again and feel the good
Speaker 2: things again, but you have to like jump off first
Speaker 2: before you fall in love.
Speaker 1: I think the scary thing is it's like when you
Speaker 1: see how much you can give and how much it
Speaker 1: can go away, it's like, why would you ever do
Speaker 1: that again?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: And also knowing that the people who give you the
Speaker 1: most also you lose the most from them because they
Speaker 1: gave the most.
Speaker 2: It's so weird, like you never do this with friendships
Speaker 2: things in life where you are the closest person and
Speaker 2: then it's all of a sudden, just like nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that is so shocking to them. Death, Like
Speaker 5: it isn't death, that's heartbreak is so awful. Yeah, there's
Speaker 5: like I was talking about this the other day and
Speaker 5: I was just like, that was one of the worst
Speaker 5: feelings ever. Like any type of heartbreaks, You're just like,
Speaker 5: what is this? I shouldn't care this much? But I
Speaker 5: care so much.
Speaker 1: You care so much because also it's because because it's
Speaker 1: not actually a death, then people come in with their
Speaker 1: opinions on like you know, how much what you should
Speaker 1: be doing to get over it? How much time is okay?
Speaker 1: But it's literally grief. It is the loss of a person,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't talk about someone's grief about an actual
Speaker 1: like loss to death in that way. So I don't
Speaker 1: think people should necessarily be judging it, like, yeah, every
Speaker 1: time I think of myself in my past being like girl,
Speaker 1: come on, move on, like you know what it is,
Speaker 1: it's like now that I've been through stuff like you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't I've ever got into like the it takes
Speaker 3: this long to get over something, what do they.
Speaker 1: Say, like half the duration of what it was.
Speaker 2: It's like, really, it's just wrong.
Speaker 1: And don't listen to people who tell you that.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's time for us to ask the question
Speaker 1: that we ask of all of our guests. This is
Speaker 1: Tate McCray. What was the culture that made you?
Speaker 2: Say?
Speaker 1: Culture?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 1: This is when you can pinpoint. I think I started
Speaker 1: to become myself when that moment of pop culture like entered.
Speaker 2: Okay. I've thought long and hard about this because I'm
Speaker 2: really not like that into pop culture, like any culture, Okay,
Speaker 2: but I will say like one moment, I was like
Speaker 2: a big Disney Channel kid girl, and I really do
Speaker 2: think that that shaped my personality, and I remember that
Speaker 2: Hannah Montana was life changing for sure, just like me
Speaker 2: being like, well I have to become a pop girl now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have no other option, Like I have to become
Speaker 2: a pop star now, because that is so sick. I
Speaker 2: love a place, I like it. I love a place
Speaker 2: where I can put that version of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she kind of was doing what you talked about,
Speaker 1: which is like I do want to be a kid,
Speaker 1: but also I know I'm a star and that's how
Speaker 1: they'll understand me totally.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, that's how I kind of felt like
Speaker 2: in high school, Like not to that extent, of course,
Speaker 2: but like a little bit.
Speaker 3: Did that open up a country music for you too
Speaker 3: in a way or no, Like did.
Speaker 2: It make me want to do country music?
Speaker 3: Or just liked to give you an appreciation, like you're
Speaker 3: like Billy Ray, Like who's this man?
Speaker 1: This man doing country?
Speaker 2: You know what I can too, because Calgary for some
Speaker 2: reason is kind of country. Like we have like this
Speaker 2: one month in the summertime where literally the whole place
Speaker 2: is like haystacks, cowboy hats only country music. Isn't there
Speaker 2: a festival? Yeah stampede? Yeah, so weird, like it's just
Speaker 2: for one month, like awesome. The whole town goes like
Speaker 2: this ghoest country, straight country, there's whatever. So I'm like
Speaker 2: actually into country music. Yeah, but I did feel that
Speaker 2: like coming home, like when Miley would come home and
Speaker 2: she'd sing the climb and she takes off at just
Speaker 2: me like yeah, I just like remember being like this
Speaker 2: is going to be me one day, like but literally
Speaker 2: look yeah right?
Speaker 1: Was it also a little bit like seeing Mile and
Speaker 1: also seeing her as someone that was because I would
Speaker 1: imagine that it's like the Disney star thing looms so
Speaker 1: much around the Disney Channel and like kind of Montana.
Speaker 1: It's like you see kids that are your age or
Speaker 1: kids that you can identify with, like in the industry,
Speaker 1: proving that it's somehow possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that was really shoved in our
Speaker 2: faces at that age of like Disney Channel was glamorizing
Speaker 2: pop stars every show like camp Rock even like that
Speaker 2: was our era. Yeah, like oh my god, they were
Speaker 2: using yes yes exactly, just being like whoa, like this
Speaker 2: is legit?
Speaker 1: Like yeah you want to yes?
Speaker 2: Right. I just remember that feeling like this is the ship.
Speaker 2: This is the only thing in life is music.
Speaker 3: Miley and Hannah are like the Locust and does it
Speaker 3: then bring in like Selena and z and Dane r
Speaker 3: And Yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 2: The whole lore. I think that's what I wish I
Speaker 2: could like go back and be like, oh, it was
Speaker 2: an earlier pinpoint, but really it was Disney Channel.
Speaker 1: That was one.
Speaker 2: It like my brain was forming and I was that
Speaker 2: was I was watching that every day being like Alex
Speaker 2: and was what really places my personality is my life
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go do camp Rock with Joe Jonas
Speaker 2: Like that was like, this is going to be my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's powerful, right, that's like, No, I'm by the way,
Speaker 3: did we get Disney Channel in Canada?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When I grew up there, it was like why TV was?
Speaker 2: You didn't get it? Oh? Y TV is uh.
Speaker 1: Like a Whit was like Canada' Nickelodeon.
Speaker 2: We had. My family had Disney Chow. He didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't have cap I don't even have cable, but
Speaker 3: like go to school and you would stay after school
Speaker 3: and would watch y TV. And there was a show
Speaker 3: called oh like you get.
Speaker 2: TV? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, we we had different versions of it. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you what? You would have been absolutely obsessed with
Speaker 1: because we're obviously the same age. You would have rowed
Speaker 1: so hard for Lizzie McGuire, I know, I know, I
Speaker 1: know I would have.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lizzie McGuire was she was everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was, she was sleep over.
Speaker 3: Were in the fifth grade. It was all boys, mind
Speaker 3: you okay, And for some reason it was like midnight,
Speaker 3: one of the boys, straight as an arrow, allegedly decides
Speaker 3: to put on Lizzay maguire the movie or the just
Speaker 3: the show, and then it's all of these boys talking
Speaker 3: about how hot Hillary Duff is. Yeah, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, but she's being funny.
Speaker 1: You can't see her talent. I can't like, but she's
Speaker 1: so but first and foremost, she's a talent. And they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, but all these guys are like yanking it.
Speaker 1: It's so weird to think about the concept of teen idol,
Speaker 1: because that's essentially what that is. It's like all the
Speaker 1: girls wanting to like, for example, someone like Hillary Duff.
Speaker 1: She's so famous at a time when everyone is going
Speaker 1: through puberty.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's weird. I know, it is weird. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: It is crazy. The very formative years in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember my friend, my friend, my friend, my
Speaker 1: friend's older brother.
Speaker 2: How did a life size cut out of Hillary Duff?
Speaker 2: And I was now looking back, I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 2: There no red flag? But then it's like it's.
Speaker 1: I was so into her music too, right, Come Clean?
Speaker 1: I still think Come.
Speaker 2: Clean it's one of the great songs, the club remix
Speaker 2: of that. So we're just seeing the talent.
Speaker 3: We're just seeing literally, Okay, how did you meet current boyfriend?
Speaker 2: How did I meet current boyfriend? I have known him
Speaker 2: for three years, We've been friends, and it wasn't until
Speaker 2: last year. I was in Cabo and he happened to
Speaker 2: be in Cabo at the same time. And we have
Speaker 2: never had one good interaction. We're in the same friend group,
Speaker 2: so we have the same like and we hang out
Speaker 2: all the time, and we had never had one non
Speaker 2: awkward experience like romance kind of like a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's like, we weren't enemies. I'm like, yes, we were,
Speaker 2: Like Wow, we just had this feeling where like every
Speaker 2: time we would say something to each other, it was
Speaker 2: just like not what we planned to say, Like the
Speaker 2: most social suicide moments of all time, Like I would
Speaker 2: trip every time I see him. I like try to
Speaker 2: dap him up. I'm like, why the fuck did I
Speaker 2: just dap him up? So weird? Anyone else? Literally, I'm
Speaker 2: like what was that? Like? I was so out of character.
Speaker 2: And I remember he used to be like why do
Speaker 2: I Why do these friends like liked Tate? And I'd
Speaker 2: be like, why did my friends like Leroy? And how
Speaker 2: do we all get along? And then Klo came.
Speaker 1: You just happen to be in cop at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, And he texted me and he was
Speaker 2: like are you here and I was like yes, and then.
Speaker 1: We got together. He's great on the album too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so great. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, do you think, looking back now,
Speaker 1: you like it was a subconscious you liked him the
Speaker 1: whole time?
Speaker 2: No? I think I'm so about personality, Like, yeah, if
Speaker 2: we have like a funny connection or like you like
Speaker 2: get me, that's when I'll really get a crush on someone. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's never from like first glance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like ever, and so she like got you eventually, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because we actually had good conversations that trip and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it felt like we finally clicked, we finally got each other.
Speaker 3: Was this after SNL yes, okay, because I remember at
Speaker 3: sn out the after but do you remember this. You
Speaker 3: and I were like in the room trying to like
Speaker 3: scope out. You were like, oh.
Speaker 2: That's so fun. I was like, I was like, well
Speaker 2: that was really a nice single era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of eligible bachelors around there.
Speaker 3: What I told you it was, I don't think there
Speaker 3: are a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was sitting beside some people and I was like,
Speaker 2: we are not hitting it off.
Speaker 1: Like one of one of my favorite stories is it
Speaker 1: was like SNL after party. It was the Lizzo episode.
Speaker 1: And remember this. We were all at the after party
Speaker 1: and Lizzo came in ready to party. She came she
Speaker 1: had changed her dress, she came in ready to sligh.
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later she leaves going guests not the party
Speaker 1: was dead. But sometimes alchemy just doesn't happening.
Speaker 2: Again, I've heard it's like can be the craziest thing
Speaker 2: on Earth. That night, it was like it was like
Speaker 2: mid level your words.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, sure, it's like any party. It's like
Speaker 1: if there's if there's an alchemy, there's an alchemy.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't speak ill of the S and L after
Speaker 3: party because it's you know this hallowed thing.
Speaker 1: You were you were supposed to come with the Birds
Speaker 1: of View on the actual eligible guys there, but apparently
Speaker 1: and I pitched a few, but I was like, but no,
Speaker 1: like they weren't working, they weren't working something special. And
Speaker 1: then look now now you're with Yeah, but that was tough.
Speaker 2: I really don't like looking for guys like it's.
Speaker 1: So it's the worst. You would rather be.
Speaker 2: Pursued much rather much rather it be like natural, like
Speaker 2: it just happens. Yeah, totally like friends to lovers. I'm
Speaker 2: like that that vibe, but.
Speaker 1: That's that's the Royd Away.
Speaker 2: That was that vibe for sure, which felt way more
Speaker 2: natural totally. I'm not like a big like like flirt
Speaker 2: up frontway like that's not me. So the on stage,
Speaker 2: it is so funny. The tate on stage is like
Speaker 2: so polar opposite to my actual personality. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get dragged for compared.
Speaker 1: We all wanted to be her, we all wanted to.
Speaker 2: Be here, and she's an icon. But yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: I don't know this like person that I am on stage.
Speaker 2: My mom is always just like what who is this?
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I don't know, you're too sexy or
Speaker 2: you're too like it's too much, like the eyes are
Speaker 2: too intense, like not me, like because I have like
Speaker 2: these like lock in eyes. Like when you're on stage,
Speaker 2: it's just like it's happening. Yeah, it's time, but it's
Speaker 2: just like very different from my actual personality. So it's
Speaker 2: like shocking, similar to my family, because you're so you.
Speaker 3: Are very like chill and mellow and conversation and then
Speaker 3: like in videos on stage, it's like you are. It's
Speaker 3: the eyes. You're right, you're locked in. We're locked in,
Speaker 3: but like two hands, it's okay, okay. I'm just like
Speaker 3: even like run for the Hills. I'm just like you are.
Speaker 1: You are dialed in in an amazing way, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting to hear state that, like it literally
Speaker 1: is Hannah Montana train conclusion. Imagine you like went on
Speaker 1: stage for the first time ever, performed like locked in,
Speaker 1: were galvanized and came off and it never went away.
Speaker 1: Like your mom would be really freaked out.
Speaker 2: That my daughter's locked in, right I do, can.
Speaker 1: You please help? My daughter's locked in?
Speaker 2: So locked my daughter's.
Speaker 1: Too locked YEA Describe the PERSONA who is she?
Speaker 2: What? What what's she about my alter ego? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Sasha Fierce. Literally it's I've made it into like a joke,
Speaker 2: so I talk about it like way too much, like
Speaker 2: probably way more than I should. But it's I colored
Speaker 2: Tatiana for her, Yeah, Tasiana. And it's just when I
Speaker 2: go on stage, I black out, Like I don't actually
Speaker 2: remember that much.
Speaker 1: You just like perform, you know what you're saying, because
Speaker 1: I we leave our bodies sometimes or like you feel this.
Speaker 2: Way, yes, right, like you feel like you're it's now
Speaker 2: just like a thing with your body and God like
Speaker 2: in the universe, and it's just like you get possessed.
Speaker 2: And that's the best performance. When I become too aware
Speaker 2: of like I always say, this is like the craziest example.
Speaker 2: When you're on stage and you become too aware and
Speaker 2: too in your body, it feels like you're like manually breathing,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're in bed and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you remember that you have to breathe, and then you
Speaker 2: stop breathing because you're like, this is really this is
Speaker 2: an automatic thing. Wait, you know, I've.
Speaker 1: Never heard someone describe it this way. This is this
Speaker 1: is huge.
Speaker 2: Well, kay, don't think about it before bed if you
Speaker 2: because you'll die, Because you'll die if you think about
Speaker 2: breathing before bed, you will stop breathing. Yeah, oh, because
Speaker 2: it is so automatic.
Speaker 1: When you become aware of yourself, it's over. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: like that's I mean, that's that's just it.
Speaker 2: You're just it's And then when you're on stage and
Speaker 2: people watching you and you're like you forget how to
Speaker 2: like walk and move.
Speaker 1: You have to turn into someone else.
Speaker 2: I have to otherwise I become way too aware, and
Speaker 2: then I could do nothing normal, Like nothing is It's
Speaker 2: just like you have to be in a different body
Speaker 2: or a different space.
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy conceptually to think about the fact that
Speaker 3: you wrote a song for two hours in your room
Speaker 3: and then weeks later it was like okay, like a
Speaker 3: bunch of people saw this, and now they're knocking on
Speaker 3: my door to like get me to sign Yeah, And
Speaker 3: then that's the kind of the same thing where it's
Speaker 3: like you wrote wrote for a song you ever wrote,
Speaker 3: But there's just like it kind of translates to this
Speaker 3: idea of like you wrote something and you like it's
Speaker 3: very intimate interior experience. And then you're doing a Reno
Speaker 3: tour with all these songs that you wrote in of
Speaker 3: your own studio.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it's it's bizarre.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like a stoner thought, but you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's exactly perform It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: It's really crazy. No, but that's where I get like
Speaker 2: all like the that's where I feel like the universe
Speaker 2: is just like planning everything out because I'm like, these
Speaker 2: coincidences and these things happening like aren't aren't just like random,
Speaker 2: like they're just meant to happen, like and I think
Speaker 2: that Like, yeah, I feel like I feel like you
Speaker 2: like know that from a young age you kind of
Speaker 2: like know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: What's the venue that you're most gagged about performing like
Speaker 1: that you can't really believe it's happening.
Speaker 2: Well, the Forum will be fun, doing a couple of
Speaker 2: nights there, which will be fun. And MSG again, I
Speaker 2: love that's wild. I know MSG is just special. Just
Speaker 2: New York. I just bought a place in New York.
Speaker 2: Thank you. New York is just like my place. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's so magical there.
Speaker 1: I love to hear it. Yeah, honestly, oh god, just
Speaker 1: that there is nothing like it. Did you do you
Speaker 1: see a lot of live shows too? Do you go
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff?
Speaker 2: I try.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, did you see the Sweat Tour?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did.
Speaker 1: Did you see that in Madison Square Garden? I saw
Speaker 1: the Forum? Okay, the Forum was great. Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna flip over. Really, yes, it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. Charlie's I mean, Troy's music just sounds
Speaker 1: different in there because it's more of a vibe, like
Speaker 1: it was kind of breathing. I love like the Charlie
Speaker 1: and Troy show because it was like, when Troy was
Speaker 1: out there, it was like cool and like pillowy and gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and then Charlie came out and just like punched you
Speaker 1: in the face and it was rotating between that. But
Speaker 1: when she was in that venue, I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna flip over.
Speaker 2: That was one of the best shows I've seen it
Speaker 2: very long. Absolutely, it was so good. Yeah, so well.
Speaker 2: I loved the two of them flipping on. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen a.
Speaker 1: Show like that before. That needs to happen more often,
Speaker 1: I think so too. Not since Justified stripped or the
Speaker 1: then scrapped Kanye Gaga tour, Oh wow. It's crazy to
Speaker 1: think about that as it wasn't happen and then it
Speaker 1: got canceled after the after I'm gonna let you finish
Speaker 1: something split in the fabric of culture. At that night,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about that, just like that was
Speaker 1: so consequential for like all of pop culture history.
Speaker 2: That night that was wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait. You did Tokyo for the last tour. Yes,
Speaker 3: they did ye everything. I think we just went to
Speaker 3: Tokyo for the first time. We ate so much steak. Yes,
Speaker 3: I turned into a green of rice as like we
Speaker 3: just like but we had like the best time ever.
Speaker 3: Like Tokyo is one of my favorite places.
Speaker 1: It's magical, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've never seen it. We we played with pigs.
Speaker 1: Yes, you went to a micropic that was like.
Speaker 2: Number micro pick. Yeah, they're like, well there maybe not
Speaker 2: micro there, there're a Macro.
Speaker 1: Big macro pigs. There's like a straight and Harrazuku or
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is when you went on,
Speaker 3: but there's like there's like multiple places in Tokyo where
Speaker 3: it's like the Puppy Cafe no problem, the Kitten Cafe problem,
Speaker 3: the New animal is the micro pigs.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then the even newer one is Otter.
Speaker 2: Cafe where those are crazy.
Speaker 1: Those are crazy. Yeah, it's a cafe with otters.
Speaker 3: You eat, you pay, you like order some food, you eat,
Speaker 3: you sip your tea, and they run around and they
Speaker 3: come up.
Speaker 2: To you and they like sit in your lap.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is too precious.
Speaker 2: No, it was perfect. And then then they all stack
Speaker 2: on top of each other, so there's like there's like
Speaker 2: eight in your lap at once.
Speaker 1: So what animal are you? You can't stay micro pig
Speaker 1: because I'll fight you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm so not a micro pig.
Speaker 2: What do you think yours? Is? What are your guys?
Speaker 1: People that wanted to really drag me to hell would
Speaker 1: be like, I'm some sort of reptile okay, but I
Speaker 1: don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't really see it.
Speaker 1: I would like to be some sort of crazy bird.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could see that, you can while you're laughing.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just like picturing it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a bird. I feel like definitely
Speaker 1: giving rich. They don't even a fly, bitch, they don't
Speaker 1: have to. I was gonna say, eagle, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say falcon.
Speaker 2: I'm a falcon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, a falcon. So with that, what are you?
Speaker 1: I might be a pig. I might be a pick
Speaker 1: of some kind, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're more of like a koala or something.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so Nate. I'll take Kuala down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be Kuala.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would be a hmmm, don't look
Speaker 2: at him.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're.
Speaker 2: I want to be a cheetah, but I'm not. You
Speaker 2: are You don't think you're a cheetah. I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm that fast.
Speaker 1: It's not about speed. It's just about the demeanor, right energy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when you're on stage, like that's that that who?
Speaker 1: That girl becomes a leopard.
Speaker 2: I could be more of like a rhino or something.
Speaker 1: Have some respect for yourself.
Speaker 2: And they're like you don't. We're asking her what.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheatah, because the cheetah writes to it's a little.
Speaker 1: Slower, take a little slower than maybe mountain lion. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like that mountain lion is good and above seize
Speaker 1: the world for what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, you call.
Speaker 1: Her tatis sometimes or is it full on Tatiana.
Speaker 2: I call her Tatiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't stay Tati to her, Tatiana will.
Speaker 2: Funk you up.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay getting rested? Was that tap that?
Speaker 2: Tiana?
Speaker 1: For sure, you would never get arrested. What are your
Speaker 1: crimes that you've committed.
Speaker 2: I've actually never committed crime ever. I'm a big goodie
Speaker 2: two shoes really yeah, I don't. I really do not
Speaker 2: cause any trouble.
Speaker 1: I will say that's good Disney Channel vibes. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm one of those good kids.
Speaker 2: I am good. I'm pretty wholesome. Is this true? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. Tushes like that. That arrest scene was
Speaker 2: it was funny. My parents were on set too, were
Speaker 2: but but was vibe. It wasn't even naked. It was
Speaker 2: let me say this, that's a reference. This like like
Speaker 2: the editing was so good that it looked like I
Speaker 2: was super naked. I was in like full on like
Speaker 2: a workout set, just base. Yeah yeah yeah, so I
Speaker 2: was sitting there and I'm just doing my acting like whatever.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't even that intense.
Speaker 1: So my parents were like whoa, Like yeah, so they
Speaker 1: were like, we're so.
Speaker 2: Down, We're so down, this is pop Like my dad
Speaker 2: was like yes, like like they were just like this
Speaker 2: is really cool. And then the editing came back and
Speaker 2: it looked so realistic. It was it was giving like whoa,
Speaker 2: like they did too good?
Speaker 1: Sure, they did too good.
Speaker 2: And the final edit wasn't until like two days before
Speaker 2: we had been all the edits. Everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is great. It was like beige and the final
Speaker 2: edit was like so realistic that all of us were
Speaker 2: kind of numb to it. So when I was like
Speaker 2: when the internet became like shocked, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I didn't really like think too hard about this,
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 1: But they'll the internet will always think too hard. Of
Speaker 1: course that's their job.
Speaker 2: So that was that was funny because it wasn't actually
Speaker 2: like it wasn't that like on set.
Speaker 1: Shit, I'm sorry that I said tits out earlier.
Speaker 2: It's okay, I was.
Speaker 1: I'm apologizing all throughout this episode offense to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: now she was cool, it's cucumber cu number.
Speaker 3: I have a question, how long does Corey you live
Speaker 3: in you like, could you like do you need to
Speaker 3: be refreshed? How much do you need to be refreshed?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I can pick up pretty fast. I would say,
Speaker 2: like I can learn it right before, memorize it, and
Speaker 2: perform it. Like like for when we were mirrored, it's okay,
Speaker 2: I'm okay, Like we learned it the day before, wow,
Speaker 2: and then did it Once I do the performance, it's
Speaker 2: out of my head, Like, yeah, I don't remember unless
Speaker 2: we rehearse it for weeks and then it.
Speaker 1: Like sticks because something else has to go up in
Speaker 1: the brain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like no memories, so for sure, Like
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask if you have a favorite dance
Speaker 4: break of all time, like if you have a favorite
Speaker 4: pop music dance break.
Speaker 2: Of all time?
Speaker 1: Like, what's what's one that you're like that she or
Speaker 1: he shredded that?
Speaker 2: I need to think, I know.
Speaker 1: Because now it's gonna that. That's the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: like whatever you say is gonna have weight because now
Speaker 1: you're the queen of the dance break.
Speaker 2: That's a hard question and to think on that first thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: think because that's a big one. That is a big
Speaker 2: one jumps to.
Speaker 1: Mind for me. This isn't probably it, but I think
Speaker 1: one that because it was so dance contest me the
Speaker 1: gay little gay boy and my girlfriend's culture. Janat Jackson
Speaker 1: all for You, Oh, Jana Jackson, all for You, Like
Speaker 1: that was a song that probably was a hit primarily
Speaker 1: because of aptively little girls and gay boys doing dance
Speaker 1: contest when she's in the train station. Just now, that's
Speaker 1: what I call music. I don't know, let's call it
Speaker 1: four like just track one. Boom boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1: That was a deep I'm gonna get with my sister. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a huge one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still thinking commitment. It is a big commitment.
Speaker 2: I know that's a huge I mean I would say,
Speaker 2: like single Ladies by Beyonce, Like, I just think that
Speaker 2: that was big for me. Did you learn it immediately?
Speaker 2: I don't think I did, but I just remember watch
Speaker 2: just appreciated it.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, but I'm saying like for tour, like I
Speaker 3: was this close to trying to learn the dance break
Speaker 3: for two hands, okay, because I was trying.
Speaker 1: To do like the like okay, but like you're literally
Speaker 1: like upside down like across the window. Wait, what do
Speaker 1: you do it again?
Speaker 2: I don't know a movie you're referring.
Speaker 1: Well, wow, she she didn't even know what you were referring.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. She's like, I never because you
Speaker 1: went like this. Well she I'm like, which is kind
Speaker 1: of like we're kind of cool. When when when when
Speaker 1: you say the word too, I try to remember the choreo.
Speaker 1: I want you to.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm watching Wow. Oh my gosh, cool
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Yes, wait, the again answers hands. It's like the handwave
Speaker 2: and then you drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so I'm obsessed because it's like it's hand,
Speaker 1: it's giving car.
Speaker 2: It is it's like giving like hip wave and then car.
Speaker 1: So what would happen if would you be proud of us?
Speaker 1: If let's say we did the two hands choreo? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you my idea for later. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you can be involved. Okay on tour, you'll be
Speaker 1: on tour. Okay when when it's tour until for now
Speaker 1: makes sense?
Speaker 2: They laughed.
Speaker 1: The scene laughs, because it's going for four years October
Speaker 1: because you want to have a Halloween.
Speaker 2: I of course I won't have all Yeah, so November
Speaker 2: because we just announced new dates.
Speaker 1: Wow, gradually, And that's why I said for now, for now.
Speaker 1: I knew y'all had to trick up your the team
Speaker 1: was going to push it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now it's November and I don't get a Halloween.
Speaker 1: No, you'll get a Christmas.
Speaker 2: I'll get a Christmas. You need to spend.
Speaker 3: Halloween in New York and then you're gonna sell your
Speaker 3: house and be like, I never want to live here.
Speaker 1: Why you're going by the time you get to like, actually, well,
Speaker 1: you spend time in New York, you've been home, and
Speaker 1: you get to like acclimated and make it your home.
Speaker 2: I actually haven't moved in yet, but to offer in
Speaker 2: like two days.
Speaker 1: Ago, congrats, Oh nice, And so it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, sometimes they pull out.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's it's a whole thing New York. New
Speaker 1: York real estate is inly and nasty. But when you
Speaker 1: finally finished tour in November, like then you're gonna move.
Speaker 1: And I think that November December, actually actually September, October,
Speaker 1: November December, that the fall month quadrant thank you, is
Speaker 1: the best time to.
Speaker 2: Be in New York. Yes, I think so too. I
Speaker 2: think I'm going to really enjoy it there. And then
Speaker 2: in the next year in New.
Speaker 1: York, and you do have a place here too, Yes.
Speaker 2: You gotta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: Favorite dance break of all time?
Speaker 2: Wait, didn't I say single ladies?
Speaker 1: Okay, didn't I answer this hard question that's going to
Speaker 1: cause me to get dragged online because now I didn't
Speaker 1: say these other girls? Yeah exactly, Hello, I can't win
Speaker 1: in this town. I didn't realize that that's what we
Speaker 1: were putting you through. That was a very bowen response,
Speaker 1: cancer vib Well, I think you're.
Speaker 2: Hand in this award right now. I know you believe well.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going to do this episode's winning a webbi.
Speaker 1: This episode is winning a webbe by the way, we're
Speaker 1: going to do the choreo of two hands.
Speaker 3: Huh where we'll tell you later. Okay, you know I'm
Speaker 3: not too brad. There might be eyes on it, like
Speaker 3: people are gonna.
Speaker 1: Be eyes on it. We're just saying, we hope we
Speaker 1: don't disappoint you.
Speaker 2: Well, do you need some help, like how to learn it?
Speaker 2: Are you going to teach us? Yeah? I can help
Speaker 2: if you're gonna if it's like.
Speaker 1: We should learn from you. Excuse you?
Speaker 2: This is so ambiguous like this, we'll be in touch.
Speaker 3: We just told Tate the idea and we had to
Speaker 3: skip past it and cut.
Speaker 2: That out, and she approves. I approve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be good. Okay, well this has been,
Speaker 1: you know, very sweet time. But now we have to
Speaker 1: get all the last ANDRETTI with I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 3: This is our segment where we each take one minute
Speaker 3: to rail against something in culture.
Speaker 1: Now do you have something? You know what I do
Speaker 1: have something? It's time? Okay, okay, is.
Speaker 2: It in culture? It can just be, it can be anything.
Speaker 1: Mine is mine is very much in life. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing in life.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll all do life.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is Matt Rogers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, man.
Speaker 1: I still see some of you doing it, and can
Speaker 1: I say like it's it was never it It was
Speaker 1: the tiny little man bum was never. And I'm looking around.
Speaker 1: I don't think I see anyone here that's giving a
Speaker 1: man bun.
Speaker 2: I see the potential on a couple of people.
Speaker 1: I see the potential hair length where you could give
Speaker 1: that as someone who is starting to wade into the
Speaker 1: might grow my hair out community, have a buzz right
Speaker 1: now for people that are only listening I may grow
Speaker 1: my hair out. I'm committed to the second, no little bun,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna show you a video of me with
Speaker 1: long hair and it actually looks good. I put a
Speaker 1: wig on. Okay, if you're gonna grow your hair out,
Speaker 1: just give it a style, give it something. Just the
Speaker 1: tossing it up into a messy bun. You are not
Speaker 1: iconic girls from my high school. Second, you're not, Like.
Speaker 1: The only way you can toss your hair up into
Speaker 1: a messy blund and come out and have it Bestleigh
Speaker 1: is if you are an iconic girl from my high school.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Two girls that came in like the sweatpants with the
Speaker 1: top rolled down on the slides and the messy, messy
Speaker 1: but on lacrosse sweatshirt. Only you with the messy bun.
Speaker 1: Everyone else, especially you gentlemen. It's got to stop. That's
Speaker 1: one minute, okay, Okay, That's where I'm at on them.
Speaker 1: And you know what has really pushed me over the edge.
Speaker 1: It's you know, the old photos of Justin Valdoni, like
Speaker 1: when he had the hair in Jane the Virgin when
Speaker 1: the version, yes, and he will do when he would
Speaker 1: know about pop culture when he would serve a bun.
Speaker 1: I was like, see, I can't believe we ever did
Speaker 1: this right. But you're and you are thinking about growing
Speaker 1: your hair.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about growing my hair.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, if it ever gets to the
Speaker 1: point where you see me and I have long hair,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, guys, hold on a
Speaker 1: second and you see me toss it up into a bun,
Speaker 1: please stop me and remind me of this place you
Speaker 1: tel you like a buzz Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Compliments your your skull shape.
Speaker 2: It does if you have a good shape structure, and
Speaker 2: so you wish. That's hard because a lot of people
Speaker 2: like don't have an actually good skull shape.
Speaker 1: Could you buzz no?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Well, you have this great hair, Why would you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could buzz No. I feel like
Speaker 2: I have a strange head shape.
Speaker 1: Did you get any time as a child, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: must have gotten any times when he when your baby,
Speaker 1: they flip you over on your tummy so that you're
Speaker 1: not lying on your on the back of your had
Speaker 1: the whole.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like they must have got mine.
Speaker 1: Give me so many time. I have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a flathead too.
Speaker 2: I'm telling about that hip for babies is. My mom
Speaker 2: says that your hips form before you're two years old.
Speaker 2: So if you stretch your baby's hips before your two
Speaker 2: years old. She did this to me. She was stretched
Speaker 2: my splits before I was too.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so my hips are naturally open because she formed
Speaker 2: my hips that way. Whoa wow. That's the trick.
Speaker 1: If you want to have you got it from your mama.
Speaker 2: I did get it from my mom.
Speaker 1: You got it from your mom. Put me on the clock.
Speaker 2: I've got something.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Wait, hold on, she's about to go against
Speaker 1: his mother.
Speaker 2: I know this.
Speaker 1: No, he's about to drag Okay, wait, hold on, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Bowen. Why don't I have my thing? This
Speaker 1: is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Not my mom,
Speaker 1: but just the hip architecture in human beings in general.
Speaker 1: Do you know we have our hip flexures go from
Speaker 1: back to front, and we have side to side like
Speaker 1: going across.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy. It's the I think it's where I'm
Speaker 3: going to go. It's how I'm gonna die. Is something's
Speaker 3: going to happen to me in the hips, like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to use them in dance settings and maybe a
Speaker 3: sexual setting, and it's maybe not. It's it's not I'm
Speaker 3: not executing the way I want to execute on the hips.
Speaker 3: I've been doing the same split stretch routine for the
Speaker 3: past two years. I'm no closer to getting into the splits.
Speaker 3: My mom should have done this.
Speaker 1: What your mom did, what I'm Tatiana's mom did, men
Speaker 1: flop and I can't believe I listen, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: like the one childhood trauma that stays with.
Speaker 2: Me and is your hips.
Speaker 3: All these girls and boys were doing the splits in
Speaker 3: front of me, and I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: do that. I still, after a lifetime of stretching, can't.
Speaker 1: That's what mal That's that's really how I can't do
Speaker 1: it either.
Speaker 3: I guess I guess you can answer how you got
Speaker 3: to do it because your mom kind of did the
Speaker 3: work for you.
Speaker 2: Well, but then I you you just stresch. I did
Speaker 2: really gymnastics when I was younger. I was gonna say
Speaker 2: so they would they would take your like first leg
Speaker 2: on a chair, your back leg on a chair, and
Speaker 2: they'd sit on your knees.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy. Need just be sobbing for like, just
Speaker 1: like why is this happening? And they're like, so you
Speaker 1: can one day become the queen of.
Speaker 2: The dance break literally like actually this.
Speaker 1: Is for your own good, Tate McCray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that whole of pain is from this is
Speaker 2: from them.
Speaker 1: You So you were that girl who could just whip
Speaker 1: out a carwheel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I was so jealous of you growing up.
Speaker 2: I was that bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were that bitch flipping in the back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were always upside down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, for reading, you literally shot your leg up like
Speaker 1: a full one eighty like straight line up and down,
Speaker 1: And I was like, how do you do this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's that after you slay so hard, do you just
Speaker 1: laugh because you're like did it again?
Speaker 2: Is that a weird question? I wish it was that easy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is if I was you and I
Speaker 1: just tore it up, could.
Speaker 2: You imagine me? Just like yes, that's what we're saying.
Speaker 2: When I just came out, it was like.
Speaker 1: And just like eight I would be like, whatever, maybe
Speaker 1: that's what I should start doing. You have a very
Speaker 1: high degree of that girl ability.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that's the word. I made a little
Speaker 2: giggle at the end.
Speaker 1: That girlable. Like all your music videos are very that girlable.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: The songs have a high degree of that girl ability.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: I think you should consider like the long black middle
Speaker 3: part like you have in sports car.
Speaker 1: Really that looked incredible.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it made my face a little long.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking that.
Speaker 2: No one was thinking.
Speaker 1: That's the voice in your head.
Speaker 2: The voice in my head. I felt like I needed
Speaker 2: like a layer or something. We didn't have enough time
Speaker 2: to cut a layer.
Speaker 1: Though, really, because because that was you next to the horse. Yep,
Speaker 1: how was that horse look scary?
Speaker 2: He was super nice. Actually, he was really cute and sweet.
Speaker 2: A horse girl. I'm allergic to horses, but I do
Speaker 2: love them. I love that interaction. You're a horse girl.
Speaker 2: I'm allergic to horses.
Speaker 1: But I do love them.
Speaker 2: I just can't help but feel like.
Speaker 1: I always when I was my sisters did gymnastics, and
Speaker 1: so all of her friends did gymnastics, and they were flipping, turning,
Speaker 1: screaming through the skies like I was just like, why
Speaker 1: can't I move? Yeah, it's because my mom didn't sit
Speaker 1: on my hips. Yeah, which is not what I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what you did. So you did rhythmic gymnastics,
Speaker 1: not like competitive gymnastics with the ribbon.
Speaker 2: And I had a ball routine, yes, were you like
Speaker 2: put the ball in between your back? And you was like,
Speaker 2: He's like literally like like do a summersault with it?
Speaker 1: Do you like who thought of that? Who thought to
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, And I also have don't understand
Speaker 2: the reason for it, Like I don't understand why I
Speaker 2: trained that hard to like fit a ball between my
Speaker 2: back and do it? Crazy?
Speaker 1: Can we first second, think about every gymnastics event. It's
Speaker 1: all insane bar It's like what it's like Someone's someone
Speaker 1: one day was like, you know what it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Girls are gonna run as fast as they can towards
Speaker 1: a brick. They're going to fly off the brick hands first,
Speaker 1: flip in the air, and land on their feet, and
Speaker 1: if they don't, it's flop.
Speaker 2: It is, but it is. It's such an interesting thing
Speaker 2: because it's the same with dance. Like I did a
Speaker 2: music video say I'm like, I am literally dying for
Speaker 2: dance right now, and then dance just like exhausted, bruised,
Speaker 2: like like literally killing myself and just for a dance break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that is such a weird concept. Yep, you
Speaker 1: gotta knock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have bruises everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe you came here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What you didn't see is she had to drag herself
Speaker 1: to the seat. It did, and we didn't help.
Speaker 2: We sat.
Speaker 1: We were like, yeah, it was cold, cold, all Okay,
Speaker 1: it is your opportunity and time to do it out, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and I can tell that you're gonna tear.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Tate mccray's I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: her time starts now.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm only doing this because my mom just
Speaker 2: came into town, and it's just a frustration I've had
Speaker 2: with car play in my in my car so whenever
Speaker 2: my parents, So it's a little finicky, like the USB
Speaker 2: and the Bluetooth switches on and off a little bit,
Speaker 2: but then I get to a point where it's pretty
Speaker 2: consistent and walk in it clicks whatever. My parents come
Speaker 2: into town and every single phone hooks up all of
Speaker 2: a sudden and they're like, guys, turn off your Bluetooth,
Speaker 2: and they have no idea how to turn off the
Speaker 2: so it just like swipes up. My mom and dad
Speaker 2: I grab their phones and like it is the most frustrating,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, why does the why does the
Speaker 2: car have to click to their phones? They don't live
Speaker 2: here their car, why is it connecting to this fifteen?
Speaker 2: And it's just really hard because I feel like I
Speaker 2: lose ownership of my car when they come into town
Speaker 2: because I can't listen to my music. I can't my
Speaker 2: navigation is off, and it just really frustrating.
Speaker 1: And that's when I'm gonna say, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Car Now it's officially Exchton time. Now, it's exton time. Car.
Speaker 1: Play should know that it's a it's a dad phone
Speaker 1: or a mom phone.
Speaker 2: It also should just be better. I don't understand why
Speaker 2: it's not better.
Speaker 1: No, it's going to kill us. Play is going to
Speaker 1: kill us because when it starts to act up and
Speaker 1: they're driving and you kind of.
Speaker 2: From being like my turn is it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well for me, it's like I need music to be
Speaker 1: playing in the car like I'm not not maybe a
Speaker 1: podcast but usually no, usually music and when and for
Speaker 1: to say nothing of directions, yeah, which is also a
Speaker 1: thing with car play. It's like you cut off my
Speaker 1: music and directions? Why am I in the car to
Speaker 1: begin with?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The road like hello, doing surgery like on my car,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this was supposed to be easier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like everything they say that makes things easier.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't trust the self driving cars. I'm
Speaker 1: like scary, Like that is really scary.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Every time they have made an advancement in cars, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel as though we can go back to basics.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Are you doing Google Maps for Apple Maps?
Speaker 2: For Apple Maps? Why are you guys google Maps?
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not. I'm so sweet about that, are
Speaker 1: you guys?
Speaker 2: Google Maps? Google Maps?
Speaker 1: But I just like Apple Maps is so tough actually
Speaker 1: sweet opposite really sometimes Apple Maps is really really good.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a cleaner layout. I think that
Speaker 2: when you it's just like less like clunky, all right,
Speaker 2: like you zoom in on Google. Yes, Apple Maps is
Speaker 2: just automatic.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what came and went ways people, it's
Speaker 1: still still use It was still still out there. We
Speaker 1: just lost a huge ways sponsored the podcast and we
Speaker 1: were struggling. So they're going to ask for our webby back.
Speaker 2: We needed that.
Speaker 1: Here take our webbie back. Okay, did you want it?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Tate McCrae accepts this webby on our behalf.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you, if you flick it, it springs.
Speaker 2: Look do that. Doesn't it feel kind of good to
Speaker 2: put your hand see like this.
Speaker 1: To justify that he was doing it. It feels great.
Speaker 1: Slip it not really? Yeah, exactly exactly. This has been
Speaker 1: such a nice time getting to know you. You're fucking cool
Speaker 1: as hell, You're so talented. Thanks guys, and we're going
Speaker 1: to come see you.
Speaker 2: Please would love.
Speaker 1: We want to come see what m s g.
Speaker 2: Please come. Yes, that would be so fun.
Speaker 1: And maybe even by then we'll have the two hands
Speaker 1: choreo down.
Speaker 2: I think we will.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that. You'll see us in the
Speaker 1: crowd literally hurting everyone around us. I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: We're going to start up the tech talk trend.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do it perfect. Has there not been
Speaker 2: a tech talk trunks step started at this point I
Speaker 2: think there is for that dance.
Speaker 1: Probably do you dictate what the trend is?
Speaker 2: I don't think you really can, Like, yeah, you can
Speaker 2: do like just post stuff and if it trends, trends.
Speaker 1: Because like it wasn't there wasn't Charlie someone else made.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was good.
Speaker 2: It was so good. That was good.
Speaker 1: That's what you want. I mean, we'll be that girl
Speaker 1: for you, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you want.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what you want to have someone else.
Speaker 2: This is a marketing meeting.
Speaker 1: The team's all here, well, so close to what is
Speaker 1: out right now. Please do have some fun for once
Speaker 1: in your life. Yeah, go listen to Flow Milly.
Speaker 2: Have a glass of wine. Listen to the album sit back.
Speaker 1: Is that your optimal vibe for it? Like, have a
Speaker 1: less of one?
Speaker 2: I think, so you make a chill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think too hard.
Speaker 2: I mean, but thank harder.
Speaker 1: Had Like we're getting mixed messaging from tap.
Speaker 2: Translation myself every album.
Speaker 1: Okay, we had every episode with a song.
Speaker 2: We already missed up. It's you started it and one
Speaker 2: that's the best part of the and I do love
Speaker 2: the m one. Yeah, so that's for you to do.
Speaker 2: It Home, Bye Bye.
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