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Speaker 1: That's right, And what do we all get? I got

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Speaker 1: the thirteen. We can say what we got. It's a

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Speaker 1: all right, where's Knifa? Get on it? Okay, it's it's Evan,

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Speaker 1: it's Paul, it's Fred, it's Matt and the booth, it's

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Speaker 1: Jordan on the cameras. We're here for the next two

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Speaker 1: hours talking patriots, but of course the big topic. Jared Duran,

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Speaker 1: I'm only kiding fun, but congratulations to him. He gets

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Speaker 5: Book much more? Right?

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Speaker 6: Did you watch the game?

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Speaker 1: I did up until after anybody at home run, and

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Speaker 1: then after he hit the home run, he said, I've

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Speaker 1: seen enough. Helps out Jared Duran's not gonna thank god. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Well, at least he went after. Some of the other

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Speaker 6: people that pitched to Oi were basically lost game that

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Speaker 5: He's so good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, at least he tried.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, congratulations with Jared Duran. What are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: We got six days until the public practice that we

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Speaker 1: will be live at with Patriots Unfiltered. Can't wait for that.

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Speaker 1: It's at eleven o'clock practice, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so all practices right now are scheduled for eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 6: It's gonna be hot.

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Speaker 5: I mean, personally, I'd rather have it a little earlier,

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Speaker 5: but it's not about me personally, So I just curious

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what's happening with the team, you know,

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Speaker 1: from seven o'clock till eleven o'clock. What are they doing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, whereas before I think practices were usually like nine

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Speaker 3: I also wonder too, it's just.

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Speaker 4: You know, you usually play at one pm, so you know,

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Speaker 4: moving it a little closer to when an actual game

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Speaker 4: time is Like, I get that, But I think Evan's

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Speaker 3: It's been it's been pretty oppressed.

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. I mean, that's good, right, it.

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Speaker 6: Could be good in terms of mental toughness already for.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe they want to do a little

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Speaker 1: I can't left right that that wouldn't make sense to

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because I know I've heard that Mayo

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Speaker 5: home earlier. I don't know. Now, I thank any and

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Speaker 6: I don't kind of wonder my generation and younger not

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Speaker 5: It's not going to.

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Speaker 1: For all. We know, there's studies, not just in football

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Speaker 3: I don't know people still in your generation, Evan, I

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Speaker 4: I'd much rather get here at five am and leave

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Speaker 4: He is like every morning, like, can you we get

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Speaker 1: They can't get There was one class I had. It

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Speaker 3: If you never went, had you know what papers and

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Speaker 1: Oh? I was syllab Yeah, they had something. I asked,

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Speaker 6: I had a friend and well he didn't fail me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm crazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never minded getting up early.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's just the way I am.

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Speaker 5: Early bird, gets worm, right, that's how I am now.

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Speaker 5: But I was just like Fred. I didn't want any

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Speaker 3: My first year of college, I did eight, nine, ten

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Speaker 1: That was great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we had to do that, like you know, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you had to get them as early as you could.

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Speaker 5: So when we were leaving travel to me, like eleven

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Speaker 1: Where your hall of Fame ring.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't have a Hall of Fame ring.

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Speaker 1: Friend, they didn't give you the ring.

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Speaker 3: No, just the bust.

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Speaker 1: So you get into the Hall of Fame, you don't

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Speaker 1: get a ring.

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Speaker 5: No ring.

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Speaker 1: Why can we change that car.

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Speaker 5: To petition it?

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Speaker 1: I think it was an oversight. Are you sure? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I think Maury got one, didn't He's not in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. No, he's not. Okay.

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Speaker 5: The only hall of fame he's in is the one

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Speaker 5: he tried to force his way into on Tom Brady night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, somebody will tell him and he'll he'll text us.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, So yes, training camp, we will

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Speaker 1: be live at probably ten on Wednesday. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: just as we've done every year, we'll have a wrap

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Speaker 1: up podcast after every practice. Paul and Duce and Evan

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Speaker 1: so all the stuff that you've been used to will

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Speaker 5: And we're gonna do You said on Tuesday, you told everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, next week, we'll have our normal show on Tuesday,

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Speaker 5: We've announced the dates.

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Speaker 5: A fan, you know now now when the Patriots will

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Speaker 1: So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday we'll be live with

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Speaker 5: So when you were talking about, you know, back to

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Speaker 5: I think they talked about scheduling conflicts, and they haven't.

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Speaker 1: It was strictly scheduling, because I remember they're scrambling to

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Speaker 5: I'm wrong, Freddy, I don't remember any year that we

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Speaker 1: And I don't know again if I'm not giving away

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Speaker 5: I so Matt and I no socks have have sort

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Speaker 5: The paths for the past. I think Corey Dylan will

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Speaker 1: Corey Dillon, Paul will be like a distance by. You

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Speaker 5: It'll come up. I'll say, I've been here for twenty

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Speaker 5: and that's that's a James Harrison. He never asked me

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you telling me that? Uh, Corey Dillon did. No,

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Speaker 5: He was a scary, dude. Have you heard that day

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Speaker 3: Six it's over. It's over painful to watch him run.

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Speaker 5: He got what he wanted so he came in here,

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Speaker 5: He said, see you, Yeah, Randy most did the same thing.

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Speaker 4: His body type kind of fit into it too, though,

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Speaker 4: of let it go down. He started to slow down speed.

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Speaker 1: Plus you know the grind of being a pro athlete,

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Speaker 4: That was that Colts playoff game where it was just

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Speaker 3: Freen he don't want to be tackling.

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Speaker 1: Being a safety and seeing that coming at you forget it.

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Speaker 5: Watching his knees.

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Speaker 6: I just always like he's muddied, like.

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Speaker 1: when do you start? Drake May? But you know your

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Speaker 5: And so I'm going to push back on. I totally

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Speaker 5: just absolutely perfectly encapsulated his whole argument. He's arguing with

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Speaker 5: ever anywhere, No guys like Peyton Manning have said they

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Speaker 5: ready or not. No one has said that. That was

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Speaker 5: you can't put him behind this offensive line was McCarthy's

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Speaker 5: Like I just and Felger eventually got to rationality when

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Speaker 5: Of course the guy is ready, of course, then he

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Speaker 1: Right, My prediction is based on believing that it will

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Speaker 5: And that was the flip side where it was McCarthy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was like, even if it's obvious that

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Speaker 5: I don't really understand. I don't get that argument.

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Speaker 5: No one wants to see guys get hurt. But you

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Speaker 6: Less about injury for me, and it's more about his

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Speaker 5: is than Bresett, And like, well, what if he's out

441
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Speaker 5: there and he's playing well behind that offensive line, don't

442
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Speaker 5: doesn't that make you even more and excited for that?

443
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Speaker 1: What about his teammates? Wait a minute, Well, we got

444
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Speaker 1: a guy here who's a lot better play him, you know,

445
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: I anyway, this is going to be I know, I know,

446
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Speaker 1: just the same way that people are like, it's not

447
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Speaker 1: all you're going to talk about who are they going

448
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: to draft?

449
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because Drake May.

450
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Speaker 1: You know, we had the third pick in the draft

451
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Speaker 1: and it was a big story. Now yeah we have

452
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Speaker 1: the guy and this is a big story. So we

453
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Speaker 1: are going to talk about when do you start him?

454
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Speaker 4: I mean, I just think he has to play this year,

455
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Speaker 4: like I don't know about week one or something like

456
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Speaker 4: if you get through this year and he hasn't really

457
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Speaker 4: seen any quality time, and you know, comparing it to

458
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: last year's line, like last year's line was so connected

459
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Speaker 4: to last year's team too, so it's not just like

460
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 4: this offensive line in a bubble and they're gonna go

461
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Speaker 4: from last year to this year and it's the same thing,

462
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Speaker 4: like you know, for better or worse.

463
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Speaker 3: I mean, they could be worse for all I know.

464
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Speaker 4: But you're talking about a new offensive system, you're talking

465
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Speaker 4: about a couple of new players. You're talking about some

466
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Speaker 4: players who are actually pretty talented that that probably should

467
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Speaker 4: have been better last year. So you know, I just

468
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Speaker 4: if they get to the point where it's the middle

469
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Speaker 4: of the season and then the offensive line is still

470
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Speaker 4: so terrible, then I think that that's not as much

471
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Speaker 4: an in Diamond on Drake may as the coaching staff

472
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Speaker 4: and what they did this offseason. You have to protect him,

473
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Speaker 4: but I just I think you have to get him

474
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Speaker 4: in there and play, and if he doesn't play this year,

475
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Speaker 4: it's a disappointment to me.

476
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Speaker 1: And by the way, when he does get in whenever

477
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Speaker 1: that is, let him play, don't micro manage him right,

478
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Speaker 1: let him air it out if he has to, let

479
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Speaker 1: him take a shot.

480
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Speaker 4: And that's what I saw in OTA's It's just like

481
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Speaker 4: it doesn't look like he's going to be like what

482
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Speaker 4: can I do?

483
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Speaker 3: Coach like it seems to me and maybe I'm wrong, but.

484
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Speaker 4: Like he's going to be himself like and we saw

485
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Speaker 4: elements of that kind of personality coming through of what

486
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Speaker 4: he does.

487
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Speaker 3: I mean, you saw it in college. You're seeing it

488
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Speaker 3: in OTAs Like he seems like.

489
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Speaker 4: The kind of player to me that isn't you know,

490
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Speaker 4: isn't going to be terrified of like making a mistake

491
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Speaker 4: like I think he's. I just hope the coaching staff,

492
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Speaker 4: to your point, Fred is going to give him a

493
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Speaker 4: little leash to.

494
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Speaker 3: Bring that out of him.

495
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Speaker 4: To let him make those mistakes so that in year

496
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Speaker 4: two and three play breaks down and he wants to

497
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Speaker 4: try some crazy pass while he's you know, inverted or

498
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Speaker 4: whatever like that, He's still going to try it.

499
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Speaker 6: You know, he's gonna left handed, like he didn't girl.

500
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Speaker 4: Left handed, you know, like like I like I want it,

501
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Speaker 4: Like that's fine, Like I don't want that to be

502
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Speaker 4: the basis of the offense. And I think people are

503
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Speaker 4: so enamored of that stuff because of what Patrick.

504
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Speaker 3: Mahomes can do.

505
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Speaker 4: But I want him to just have that confidence to

506
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Speaker 4: be like, that's how we got to win games. You're

507
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Speaker 4: gonna have to make some of those plays with Mike

508
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Speaker 4: if this is going to be a suit. I think

509
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Speaker 4: he's got to play, and not right away. He doesn't

510
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Speaker 4: have to be right away. When he's ready. I want

511
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Speaker 4: him to play.

512
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Speaker 5: But I just look at it as if you're in

513
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Speaker 5: a rebuilding process, and I think we can all agree

514
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Speaker 5: they are, like you want to spend his little time

515
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Speaker 5: as possible rebuilding. You want to build, and you want

516
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Speaker 5: to get where you want to go. So let's just say,

517
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Speaker 5: for argument's sake, he doesn't play at all this year.

518
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Speaker 5: I feel like you're starting basically at square one next year.

519
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Speaker 5: It's a last year. And they were outliers. They're like Mahomes,

520
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Speaker 5: you know, stepped in and was MVP caliber his first

521
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Speaker 5: year as a starter. Tom Brady won the Super Bowl

522
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Speaker 5: his first year as a starter. So like, I'm not

523
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Speaker 5: saying that it has to be that way, but more

524
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Speaker 5: likely to me is it's Jordan Love who kind of

525
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 5: sucked for half the year and got hot late in

526
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Speaker 5: the year and played reasonably well in the playoffs. But

527
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Speaker 5: what did they go? Nine and eight? Yeah, you know,

528
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Speaker 5: and I'm not saying that none of us wouldn't take

529
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Speaker 5: nine and eight, but that's more You're more likely Aaron

530
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Speaker 5: Rodgers wasn't great after sitting for three years because he

531
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Speaker 5: hadn't played right, Like, how could he just step in

532
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Speaker 5: and be great? He had never played again. There are outliers,

533
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Speaker 5: I understand that, But more likely it's the rookie year

534
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Speaker 5: next year. If Drake made doesn't play it all this year, right,

535
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Speaker 5: that's the more likely scenario. And then you have to

536
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Speaker 5: wait two more years before you can possibly think you're

537
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Speaker 5: going to be doing and then.

538
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Speaker 6: You get start getting into the rookie contract timeline, and

539
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Speaker 6: now all of a sudden you're in your three of

540
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Speaker 6: his rookie deal and you have less of a leash.

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Speaker 6: But Felger, he took it full circle and actually kind

542
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Speaker 6: of counted his own argument with Josh Allen, who played

543
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Speaker 6: his rookie year when he probably wasn't ready to play

544
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Speaker 6: his rookie year.

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Speaker 5: I actually gave him credit for that for actually bringing

546
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Speaker 5: a few up that actually played as rookies. It didn't

547
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Speaker 5: get broken. Guys that weren't necessarily ready to play right

548
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Speaker 5: away and didn't get broken.

549
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Speaker 6: That's to your point, Paul of Josh Allen had more

550
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Speaker 6: interceptions and touchdowns his rookie year and looked like a

551
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Speaker 6: like he was in over his head. But that was

552
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Speaker 6: a building block for him to eventually get to worry.

553
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Speaker 6: But his team.

554
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Speaker 1: Knew he's fine, He's going to be fine. We just

555
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Speaker 1: got to keep working with him. They knew, they knew

556
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Speaker 1: what they had, just like the Colts knew what they

557
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Speaker 1: had with Peyton Manning who had more interceptions into touchdowns

558
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Speaker 1: his first year. They know what they have and what

559
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: I always believed with Lawrence, he's a good quarterback. I

560
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: don't care if Urban Meyers, his coach, or whatever happened

561
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: down there, even what's happening now. I know he's good.

562
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Speaker 1: I take him on my team, you know.

563
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Speaker 4: So you know, it's kind of funny. I can't get

564
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Speaker 4: this out of my head, and I'm sorry for even

565
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Speaker 4: bringing it up. But like people are so terrified of

566
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Speaker 4: Drake May getting hurt. I'm like, what if he started

567
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Speaker 4: and he gets hurt and he looks good, plays like

568
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Speaker 4: three four games like Burrow did, and then all of

569
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Speaker 4: a sudden, you're back in the top five again next year,

570
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Speaker 4: and you're like, man, we got Drake May coming back,

571
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Speaker 4: and we got a top three pick again.

572
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Speaker 5: Like I would much rather have a situation like Anthony

573
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Speaker 5: Richardson last year, who was just another one that your

574
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Speaker 5: boy Barthy brought up yesterday. Yeah, and he didn't say

575
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Speaker 5: anything wrong. I just looked at it a whole different

576
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Speaker 5: way than Alex did. Yeah, he went out and got hurt.

577
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Speaker 5: He didn't get hurt because he was behind a bad

578
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Speaker 5: offensive line, by the way. He got hurt because he

579
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 5: runs the ball like a fullback. And he took a

580
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Speaker 5: lot of hits in four games. But he got a

581
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Speaker 5: lot of experience. He played four games and get some experience.

582
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Speaker 5: So in other words, why does him sitting out the

583
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: last you know, thirteen games not benefit him. But if

584
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 5: Drake may sits out all seventeen, it benefits him. Because

585
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 5: one got hurt and one didn't, what's the difference. He

586
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 5: was watching and learning from the sideline, just the way

587
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 5: that you think it should be. Right Suddenly, because Richardson

588
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: got hurt, he got a chance to play. Andy got

589
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: hurt and he got a chance to watch and learn.

590
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 5: What's wrong with that? So like, it's not the end

591
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 5: of the world if the guy gets hurt. Even as

592
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 5: you brought up Mike Burrow tore his a c L,

593
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Speaker 5: a significant injury that's really affected his career.

594
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Speaker 3: We've got Jamar Chase and they went to the Super Bowl.

595
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Speaker 6: He's stay healthy.

596
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Speaker 5: So you want injury after injury occurring.

597
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Speaker 1: But so that's going to be an ongoing topic. I'm

598
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Speaker 1: sure it is what it means. But then this morning

599
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Speaker 1: on one of your shows, the conversation started out, I

600
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Speaker 1: guess ESPN released top one hundred athletes or something like that,

601
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Speaker 1: and I haven't seen the list. I can't comment on it.

602
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: They said it was a terrible list. But the conversation

603
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: morphed into players who were overrated or underachievers, and they

604
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Speaker 1: started talking about quarterbacks and I forget who said it,

605
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: but I think more than one agreed. Oh, Josh Allen

606
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Speaker 1: is overrated? Why well, he can't beat Patrick Holmes.

607
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Speaker 5: I saw Danie Rolosky had coronary Yeah.

608
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Speaker 1: And Jana Olaski came to Josh Allen's defense.

609
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you might be confusing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll borrow the word from Feller. That's a

611
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Speaker 1: stupid moronic argument that just because he can't get past

612
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Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback in the game today doesn't mean he's

613
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Speaker 1: over overrated. I mean, come on, what are we doing here?

614
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Speaker 6: So the Jeremy Fowler came out with his top ten

615
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 6: positional list yep, and I actually tweeted the Patriots that

616
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 6: got mentioned in it right before the show, and an

617
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Speaker 6: anonymous all executive I forget if it was AFC or

618
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 6: to say NFL executive said that Josh Allen is one

619
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Speaker 6: of the most overrated players in the league. And the

620
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 6: reason that that was given was that it was mental

621
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Speaker 6: like pre snap, you know, manipulation of defenses and you

622
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Speaker 6: know being you know, the the Brady Chess match.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 5: It's not overly accurate. In Orlowsky I thought was going to.

625
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Speaker 1: Have like he's not perfect. He I think one of

626
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Speaker 1: his weaknesses is his accuracy at times, not like it

627
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: used to be. But he's still like top five quarterback

628
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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably higher than that, probably top three. Yeah,

630
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Speaker 5: I mean to me, it's a silly argument to say that,

631
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Speaker 5: Like he hasn't won a Super Bowl, so he's overrated, right,

632
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: like so.

633
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Speaker 1: Is Dan Marine.

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Speaker 4: It was everybody the Brady Cleanhouse over twenty years, Like

635
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers was overrated, Peyton Maning was over I think

636
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: is that guy now.

637
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Speaker 6: On that list? I think it was, off the top

638
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 6: of my head, Holmes won obviously, Burrow.

639
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Jackson.

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Speaker 6: There's one other guy that they had up there that

641
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 6: that was high. I'll look it up in a second,

642
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: but I think Allen was like five. I think Lamar

643
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Speaker 6: was four. And there was another quarterback that they had

644
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Speaker 6: above Lamar. And yeah, he said his most overrated quarterback

645
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 6: in the league. Is what the executive quote was? You know,

646
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 6: each guy has a blurb and then the blurb is

647
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 6: like a quote from one of the executives that was pulled.

648
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 6: And yes, Orlovsky had an aneurysm about it. But the

649
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Speaker 6: biggest thing, I you know, from us, you know, my

650
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: side of the street. Right, Like most people that I

651
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 6: see that you know, nerve film nerds and analytic nerds

652
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 6: rate him as Allan is probably like the second or

653
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Speaker 6: third best quarterback in the league behind my home.

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Speaker 5: So let me just throw this out real quick. Who

655
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Speaker 5: would you rather have Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

656
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I love I love Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: That Sophie's choice.

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Speaker 1: Jackson does win, he's choosing between you, But no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: I love me too. I love Lamon Jackson. There's no

661
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Speaker 5: question in my mind I would rather have Josh Allen

662
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 5: because I think he win, He can win in more

663
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Speaker 5: ways than Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's probably easier to build around Josh Allen, So

665
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Speaker 6: for that reason, I'd probably say Josh Allen. But the

666
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: executive that said pre snap he doesn't dominate in that phase.

667
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, but there's nobody else that does the

668
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 6: post snap stuff that he does.

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Speaker 4: And then talk about how he's kind of shredded the

670
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Speaker 4: Patriots defense, who are the masters of pre post snap

671
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: confusion and trying to you know, like he hasn't really

672
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: had a problem with deciphering, you know, until this last

673
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: game here last year when when you know, they kind

674
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Speaker 4: of slowed him down a little bit, but I don't

675
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Speaker 4: know he's he's.

676
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Speaker 1: The other thing they were doing is they were interchanging

677
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Speaker 1: the word underachiever and overrated, and I think it's different.

678
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Speaker 5: Oh, I totally.

679
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I think somebody can be overrated and not.

680
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Speaker 5: Be Jay Cutler is an underachiever, right, He wasn't overrated

681
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: right right right, and he had all the ability in

682
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Speaker 5: the world and never panned.

683
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Speaker 1: Down over Not all overrated people are underachievers and vice,

684
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, not all underachievers are overrated. You know.

685
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Speaker 4: I think Evan saying Burrow though, I mean, I love

686
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, but I do think that he's going to

687
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Speaker 4: start to enter that conversation if he can't stay healthy

688
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: and you know, consistently put that team where everyone kind

689
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: of assumes they should be right now with that lineup,

690
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: especially these last year too.

691
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Speaker 6: That's probably Josh Allen, sorry interrupted, but Josh Allen was

692
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 6: three three, so it was Mahomes, Burrow, Allan Lamar was

693
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Speaker 6: the I.

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Speaker 5: Think I could easily give you the question about Burrow

695
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: and Allen too.

696
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people and I know, like Felger would

698
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: be very much in line with this, Burrow would get

699
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: the edge because he beat Mahomes. Yeah, and he got

700
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: to the super Bowl and he got over the hump.

701
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Speaker 5: He he appears to be Joe Cool, the guy that

702
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Speaker 5: you know, whereas Allen has not been able to win

703
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 5: that game. Again, I thought Ulawski did a great job

704
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: of illustrating it. I'm sorry that I don't hold it

705
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 5: against the quarterback when he threw a touchdown pass to

706
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: give his team the lead with thirteen seconds left, right,

707
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: I couldn't win the game, Like, I'm sorry if I

708
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: don't blame the quarterback for that, right Like, so now

709
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: he beat Mahomes in the playoffs, in the whole narrative

710
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: changes based on one squid kick, right or not? That

711
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense to me.

712
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: In the biggest of the second biggest stage, under extreme pressure,

713
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Alan performed, he performed.

714
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Speaker 5: He didn't. It's not like he They had a terrible

715
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: performance against Cincinnati two years ago at home. I can't

716
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Speaker 5: really think of the other playoff games that they lost

717
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 5: that he and the team didn't show up, Like even

718
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: last year against Kansas City, it was Digs who dropped

719
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 5: the bomb, not Alan. It was the kicker Bass who

720
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: missed the field goal that should have tied the game.

721
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Speaker 5: Not Alan all right?

722
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Speaker 1: Eight five to five, pass five hundred ACE ticket hotline.

723
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Speaker 1: Anything else you want to put on the table before

724
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: we get to listeners callers.

725
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: One quick thing.

726
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: Probably gonna hear about pup in the next couple of days,

727
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: so you know, guys who aren't going to be ready

728
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: to go. So I think, you know, just a little

729
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: bit of interest. Guys j didn't really do much.

730
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Speaker 3: Who are some of the.

731
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Speaker 5: Other Kendrick born strange and born.

732
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Speaker 4: I was born, probably, but Bourne's a good one too,

733
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Speaker 4: just I mean probably in the next twenty four hours

734
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Speaker 4: or so.

735
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Speaker 1: I would bet if Bourne's not out there right away,

736
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Speaker 1: who does that benefit the most?

737
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Speaker 5: I would say Juju and Thornton and those guys, because

738
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Speaker 5: I think they're fighting for maybe one spot and maybe

739
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: that you know Kayshaun Boody, maybe that opens two spots.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we should mention about Booty good news

741
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: for him.

742
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 5: Charges on Tuesday. We did mention it, yes, and there

743
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: was actually I did I did actually see a statement

744
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: from the Baton Rouge. Uh. I don't know if it

745
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: was Gambling Commission or the attorney General's Office. I think

746
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: it was so like because on Tuesday I just kept

747
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: seeing according to his agents, they've dropped the chargers, and

748
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, okay, I'd like to see that from

749
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: you say so, you know, and everybody was running with that,

750
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: you know, but I saw an actual statement.

751
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: From nothing gets by you.

752
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: How do you think that that's the same no by?

753
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: You said, oh, that's the heart, so I'll give you

754
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 5: another Felger before no, I was like, I didn't get it.

755
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know that that was one

756
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: of Hardy's staples, like get.

757
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: Wonderful SAT game we had to sit through this year.

758
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: He was crushing that by your joke.

759
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Speaker 5: So you were talking about how Mike likes to make

760
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 5: the straw man arguments and how contradictory he can be,

761
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 5: and Evan brought up Lake. He just brings up Josh Allen.

762
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 5: So this one to me was perfect and of course

763
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: no one said anything about it. So his big thing,

764
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Speaker 5: you know, he's he's sort of anti talent. If you

765
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 5: listen to Mike talk about sports, he's not really interested

766
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: in the shiny objects, right. He wants, you know, the

767
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 5: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman, you know slot guy over

768
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: the Randy Moss, you know, explosive player the outside. Oh yeah,

769
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 5: I like to say, go yeah, that's because you're anti talent.

770
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 5: I said to him all the time. He had no

771
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: interest in Caleb Williams right in this draft as an example,

772
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Speaker 5: and he's like, you know, like, yeah, you take a

773
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Speaker 5: guy like Caleb Willams and you take all that goes

774
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: with him, and then and I'm like, I don't know,

775
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 5: he's supposedly done very well in spring camps and he's

776
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: all signed and ready to go. Meanwhile, mister intangible from

777
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: Michigan is still unsigned, you know, but whatever. You know,

778
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 5: like again, when you go your anti talent. So this

779
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: is so this whole thing. He had no interest in

780
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, he has no interest in the number one

781
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 5: overall pick because he's anti talent. But it's an atrocity

782
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: upon mankind that the USA basketball team wouldn't go with

783
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 5: the best twelve players and have eliminated Jalen Brown. And

784
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: he thinks it's ridiculous. He's been on a rant about

785
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: it for three days.

786
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 6: We need to get over the Jalen Brown.

787
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Speaker 1: And I literally have a take.

788
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 5: I have I have a take that has nothing, very

789
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 5: very little to do with Nike. Let's put it that way.

790
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I have a take that does have kind of defends Nike.

791
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: But go ahead, but I'll just say, like, you can't

792
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 5: have both of those thoughts, like you're either. He just

793
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 5: says it should be the twelve best players period. You

794
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 5: should have Well, why wouldn't you take Caleb Williams? Then right,

795
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: it should be the best quarterback. If you need a quarterback,

796
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 5: you should want the best one, right, yeah, right, yeah,

797
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 5: But I don't want Caleb Williams, even though he's more

798
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: talented than the other guys, because I don't want all

799
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 5: that goes with him. That's why Jalen Brown's not on

800
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: USA basketball. That's exactly Stephen A. Smith was right, That's

801
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 5: exactly that's what the mindset about Jalen Brown around the

802
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 5: NBA is what Steven A. Smith said.

803
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I should save my Jalen Brown take

804
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: for the next hour, okay, because it's a whole thing.

805
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 6: But I would also just quickly the twelve. I disagree

806
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 6: with his point that it should be the twelve best players,

807
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 6: like on the talent, it should be the best team yea,

808
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 6: and based off of how foeba is played, like the

809
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 6: three and the wing player like Jalen Brown is not

810
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 6: necessarily what the other teams they're gonna have to go

811
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 6: up against. A lot of these other teams are built

812
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 6: on guard play and bigs and the paint. So they've

813
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 6: stacked the roster with Drew Hollidays and Derek White's and

814
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 6: stuff like that.

815
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: Why are we conforming to what other teams do? We're

816
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: the best team.

817
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 5: I would, but I would also say because it's not

818
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: an all star team and they have to But no

819
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: matter how you're doing, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown should be

820
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: one of your twelve players, no matter how like whether

821
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 5: you're taking that at consideration, Like he's so much better

822
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: than some of the guys in the team. Like I'm

823
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: just look Drew Holliday and Derek White for two.

824
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 6: But but those guys are on the team for intangible reasons.

825
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: Right, which is which is fine. I'm not saying that,

826
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: but like to suggest that I wouldn't take Caleb Williams

827
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: because I'm not interested in the talent because of the

828
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 5: baggage and ignore the baggage with Jalen Brown is contradictory,

829
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 5: Like I don't understand how Mike can make that comment.

830
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 5: Of course, no one said anything about it, because no

831
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 5: one really lies. Is that he just said something entirely

832
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 5: the opposite fifteen minutes earlier.

833
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 3: That's your gift.

834
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 5: It's wasted. It's wasted on.

835
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 6: When they played Germany and Dennis shrewders tearing them apart

836
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 6: like he did in FIBA. Now they'll have multiple guards

837
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 6: to throw at him that they can defend.

838
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 5: So you're trying to tell me that Jalen Brown would

839
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 5: not be capable of covering Dennis Shrewder Go look up.

840
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: The Phoebe semifinals from two years ago.

841
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: I'm just, unfortunately.

842
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: From now.

843
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: Able to contain him him. I'm not. I'm not trying

844
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: to be the guy that's like, you know, holding a

845
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: big sale for Jalen Brown, like whatever, you want to

846
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 5: be sort of abrasive. Sometimes these things happen to you.

847
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 5: That to me, is why he's not on the team.

848
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: I don't think guys like them, Yeah, I agree with

849
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: I don't think guys like them. And they didn't really

850
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 5: fight for him, and they didn't really care to have

851
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: him on the team.

852
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: I agree with that.

853
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 5: But he's one of the better players, and he can

854
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: do that stuff. I mean, there's no question in mink.

855
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Talk about that later because people want to.

856
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 5: I'm really interested in your Jalen Brown alarm.

857
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: But remind me I want to hear it too.

858
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: I'm interested well to explain basketball to Juice again.

859
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 6: That's oh god, it was ridiculous.

860
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: A five five pass, five hundred is the A ticket hotline.

861
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.

862
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Mike's in Puerto Rico. Let's see what's up, Mike. How

863
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: you doing.

864
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 7: I'm doing well. How are you guys doing.

865
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: We're doing good, Mike.

866
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 7: I got a I heard you guys talking about meeting

867
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 7: by heroes or or celebrities a couple of episodes ago,

868
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 7: and I didn't get a chance to call in.

869
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 8: I was wondering if you, uh would.

870
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 7: Be interested in in in a boxing story regarding somebody

871
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 7: that I met, and then I have a question.

872
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Afterwards as long as as long as it's short, I mean,

873
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.

874
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 7: Well, uh, short story. I was down in Puerto Rico

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Speaker 7: in a casino.

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Speaker 9: While do you know the boxer Little Albata, the Mexican boxer, No,

877
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Speaker 9: I do, okay, So he's the world he's the world champion.

878
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Speaker 9: He's into it like one of the best pounds for

879
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Speaker 9: pound in a while.

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Speaker 7: And short story, I walked into the casino. I was

881
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 7: with my girlfriend who is Mexican, who is actually from

882
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Speaker 7: his hometown. And as I walk in, like I see

883
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Speaker 7: him playing at the table at a blackjack table. He's

884
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 7: sitting there by himself. There's nobody else around, and he's

885
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 7: playing four hands at the same time. And I walk

886
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Speaker 7: over and I say like, hey, canello, let's go say

887
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 7: hi or whatever. She shied away, she didn't want to,

888
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 7: and then one and she's like, oh, you should go

889
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 7: play with it, and I'm like, are you kidding? He's

890
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 7: probably he was like maxing out on every single bed.

891
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 8: He had four.

892
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 7: Hands going maxing out on every single bed. And black

893
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 7: Jacket's one of those things where if you do something wrong,

894
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 7: you could mess up somebody else's fan. So obviously I

895
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Speaker 7: didn't want to. I didn't want to do that, but

896
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Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go say hi,

897
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 7: I say I'm a fan or whatever. So I walked.

898
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 7: I walked to the table, and again he was just

899
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 7: sitting there by himself. But then I ain't made the

900
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 7: mistake actually just touching him on the on the shoulder,

901
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Speaker 7: just to stay hi or whatever. And then the next

902
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 7: thing I knew, like security just comes out of every

903
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 7: single direction. Wow, there is like six or eight different

904
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 7: people just coming up on me. And this guy is

905
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 7: so cool, so mellow, so humble. He turns around, he's like,

906
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: it's okay, I got him, and then we just talked

907
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Speaker 7: for a minute. Told him about my girlfriend being from

908
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 7: from the city or whatever that he's from, and he's like, oh,

909
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 7: come over and and uh catch me outside and we

910
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 7: can take a picture. We just can't do it in

911
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 7: here because it's the casino. So I thought that was

912
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 7: pretty cool. He was a two and I was a

913
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 7: fan already, so I just took him to a different level,

914
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 7: just a mellow.

915
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: And what's this guy's name again? Alvarez? And what waight

916
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: classes he?

917
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 7: I think he's all the way up to uh middleway

918
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 7: right now?

919
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 5: Yeah? Nice, he's good.

920
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: That's a story, but he yeah, he.

921
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 7: But he was like super medow, super chill, and this

922
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 7: one when he was on his way up.

923
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 8: So he's pretty cool.

924
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Did you get an autograph?

925
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Speaker 7: The question that I didn't, unfortunately, because by the time

926
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Speaker 7: I went back and told my girlfriend the whole thing

927
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 7: and I came over like security ushered him out. So yeah,

928
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: unfortunately I wasn't able to. But again, super cool, super

929
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 7: cool guy. And the question that I have for the

930
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Speaker 7: group is based on what you something about what you

931
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 7: guys were talking about earlier. Regarding Drake May, I'm of

932
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 7: the belief that I think he should be put in

933
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 7: right away. However, my question to you is, as as

934
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 7: he is playing, what do you think would be more

935
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 7: helpful for his development To put him out there and

936
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 7: then just to pully an offense that is run heavy

937
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 7: with mass protection and dumpfoff or a run the regular

938
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 7: offense with more more options downfield, take advantage of his

939
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: arm and his mobilities, but then he's more successible to

940
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Speaker 7: press her sax and injury then maybe quote unquote like

941
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: damaging his long term development.

942
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys think I think the answer is

943
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: you play the offense that you think is your best

944
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: chance to win the game.

945
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: I would rather I mean that's second offense.

946
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that usually is going to be the second offense,

947
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: but if you come up against a team that has,

948
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, the best secondary in the league, and you

949
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: don't think like play to win the game, have a

950
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: game plan to win the game, whatever that is, you know.

951
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that doesn't mean that I just want to

952
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 5: be reckless and put out Harm's way as many times

953
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: as I possibly can, you know, And I you know,

954
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: Mike went through the thing. Just say like, yeah, if

955
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 5: it's third and seventeen on your own twenty, you know,

956
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: maybe you're running a draw. I mean, I get it.

957
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 5: You're not asking him to be Superman every play of

958
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 5: the game, you know, but I would I want to

959
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 5: run a conventional offense. I don't want to do what

960
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 5: they did with Mac Jones his rookie year.

961
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 10: Yeah.

962
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 6: I mean, if this system is working correctly the way

963
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 6: it should function, it's a very quarterback friendly offense. That's

964
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 6: why it's all over the league. And it's not necessarily

965
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 6: going to ask him to be Superman and you know,

966
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 6: just make something happen. You know, there's gonna be a

967
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 6: lot of play action involved. There's gonna be a lot

968
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 6: of moving pockets involved on first and second down. So

969
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: they're they're gonna do things that are gonna simplify it

970
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 6: for the quarterback inherently, whether it's Jacoby Brissett or its

971
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 6: Drake May so I wouldn't worry too much about Oh

972
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 6: he's in empty and it's third and twelve and he's

973
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 6: there just asking him to run around and make plays.

974
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina. Hey Eldred?

975
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 8: Okay, Hey, so y'all doing today?

976
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 5: Doing good?

977
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 8: He Yeah, I love that studio. That's funny. But I

978
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 8: ain't get a chance to get home. But got three questions.

979
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 8: Bake Okay, I heard to u.

980
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 10: XM radio in a bail blitz. Yeah, they have a

981
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 10: good left tackle. It's coming available because when the Chiefs

982
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 10: drafted this other guy, they drafted one this year. Yeah,

983
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 10: the first guy, Uh, just hold down. It's gonna get

984
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 10: out because they're going there.

985
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 8: You decave of charge day and that.

986
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 11: Other guy, and they came from inside chief source, they

987
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 11: really trust. They got pushed better doing training camp and

988
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 11: whatever the idiot earlier, so they are going with the

989
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 11: youth movement, you know what they're trying to do. So

990
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 11: there was seconds the most they probably will act if

991
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 11: he was second or third. But he's a start and

992
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 11: left tack, the one to start for the Chiefs.

993
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 8: Last year and he gets pushed out.

994
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: By the two guys, we have a named Donovan Smith.

995
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Is that No?

996
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 6: So Donovan Smith's a free agenty talking about Juwan Taylor

997
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: because like they have Wania Morris. Yeah, and they drafted

998
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 6: Kingsley su Mattia so they have to ta younger attacks.

999
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 6: Yeah so that one. Yeah, so Jawan Taylor, leave him tonight. Yeah,

1000
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 6: he's available.

1001
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Who was the guy they got from? It was actually

1002
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: a guy they got from the Brian Waters was that

1003
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: his name? Yeah, he was older and they brought him

1004
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: in close was old. He was old, but they brought

1005
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: him in during camp.

1006
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 6: And you know Jawan Taylor, well, he grated out as

1007
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: one of the worst tackles in the league last year actually,

1008
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 6: and everybody got on him for cheating because he would

1009
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 6: like leave on the snap early and like put his whatever.

1010
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

1011
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, point being, he's very expensive contractually. They paid him

1012
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 6: a free agent deal. I think it was the last

1013
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 6: off season, not this one, but last offseason, and they

1014
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 6: gave him a bowload of money with you know that mcglinchy,

1015
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 6: BC Garry Juwan Taylor class and then uh and then

1016
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 6: he didn't play very well last year.

1017
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: And didn't he play right tackle?

1018
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, confusing, Yeah, so he might have played right tackle

1019
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 6: last year with Donovan Smith playing left if I remember

1020
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 6: correctly as well, But uh, he can play left. Maybe

1021
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 6: I believe he played right tackle in Jacksonville also, but

1022
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 6: I'd have to double check.

1023
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: I think that's what you need to do. It's just

1024
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 5: bringing as many right tackles as you.

1025
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Left to play left tackle.

1026
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's I don't think he's

1027
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 6: played left tackle for the majority of his career. But

1028
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 6: that's where it's.

1029
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: It's right, el thanks for the call. Good hearing from you.

1030
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break.

1031
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: I also just would say life foods here good good

1032
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: good teams don't cut good.

1033
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: Players right right, and a lot of these other there's.

1034
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 5: Not any good. Then maybe they'll go with a youth movement.

1035
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: But the right and Tonovan Smith, these guys that people

1036
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: call and assphall like they're available to everybody, and a

1037
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: lot of teams need tackles.

1038
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: It's not just a Patriot.

1039
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's right.

1040
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, So he was a career right tackle. I had

1041
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 6: a writ and jacksonmithly played on the right side, but

1042
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 6: I was a big fan of Kingley sum Mattias in

1043
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: the draft. So if he's somebody that can come out

1044
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 6: and start as a rookie then conceivably, But like I said,

1045
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 6: they just paid Jawan Taylor a hefty amount of money

1046
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 6: in free agency, so you're looking at acquiring a player

1047
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 6: that's gonna make like sixteen plus million dollars to play here.

1048
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Speaker 5: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 13: Mattie here, continuing with some snippets from our podcast series

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Speaker 13: Passed from the Past.

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Speaker 3: Here's one from our episode with Romeo Crenell.

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Speaker 14: It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past

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Speaker 14: podcast Matt Smith and Paul Parrillo and who are we

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Speaker 14: lucky to have today, Paul, but the great Romeo Crenell,

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Speaker 14: who is here for the hol of Fame weekend. Romeo,

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Speaker 14: thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 13: It's my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be back a lot of.

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Speaker 13: New editions and new things since I was last here,

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Speaker 14: So, I mean, Paul and I were talking about this

1087
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Speaker 14: before he in Romeo. What does it say about the

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Speaker 14: quality of the people who are enshrined yesterday? And look,

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Speaker 14: you're coming from New York. Maybe not that big of

1090
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 14: a deal, but that's something that you didn't want to miss,

1091
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 14: did you, you know, to be able to be here

1092
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 14: to help contribute and honor the two people that the

1093
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 14: organization aren't yesterday, that says about a lot what you

1094
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 14: must think of them.

1095
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 13: Well, I do think a lot of both guys, you know, Dante,

1096
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 13: because I was coaching defensive line for a while and

1097
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 13: then Dante coaches the offensive line, so in practice you

1098
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 13: got that little, you know, back and forth between the

1099
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 13: two groups. And so we always were were competitive, but

1100
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 13: we understood the challenges that each of us had. And

1101
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 13: for him to do it in one place for as

1102
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 13: long as he's done it, that is unreal, really is.

1103
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 13: And then Vrabel, you know, we got him from Pittsburgh

1104
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 13: and he basically was a backup at Pittsburgh and he

1105
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 13: was looking for an opportunity and we offered him a

1106
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 13: contract and he came aboard and he's playing that outside

1107
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 13: linebacker spot for us and coming off that edge and

1108
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 13: getting after the quarterbacks.

1109
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1110
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 13: But Vrabel is smart. He knows schemes, he knows offenses,

1111
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 13: and that helped make him the player that he was.

1112
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 14: How was it coaching with him, because was he on

1113
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 14: your staff in Houston.

1114
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's funny. Mike was coaching at Ohio State because

1115
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 13: he graduated from Ohio State. Then he was coaching at

1116
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 13: Ohio State and then Billy Oh, you know, had running

1117
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 13: to him here and Billy Oh liked him, and so

1118
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 13: Billy Oh offered him a job. And he called me

1119
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 13: and asked me what about pro coaching and what did

1120
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 13: I think and all of that, And I said, Mike,

1121
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 13: you got some things going for you. And in this business.

1122
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 13: You've been in this game. You know about pro football,

1123
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 13: and I think that if you come aboard, you'll be satisfied.

1124
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 13: And he came aboard Boom right away. People were trying

1125
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 13: to hire him away. He became the coordinator and then

1126
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 13: the next year he became the head coach and we

1127
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 13: see how he is improved that team and took him

1128
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 13: to the playoffs and all that. And so everybody in

1129
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 13: this business, I mean, you know, coaching, you don't stay

1130
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 13: at the top forever. So sometimes what goes around comes

1131
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 13: around and you have to deal with it. But the

1132
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 13: thing that he mentioned yesterday was that you always try

1133
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 13: to get better, You try to find ways to get better.

1134
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: And I know that he will.

1135
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 13: Do that as far as his team goes this year,

1136
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 13: and I think he'll have a great career.

1137
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 5: So when you were coaching Mike, you know, Mike was

1138
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 5: the guy that obviously always had all the answers. So

1139
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 5: I assume you guys sort of looked at him and said,

1140
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 5: you know what, he's always busted him, but he's going

1141
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: to be a coach some day. Did you always kind

1142
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 5: of look at him as is that kind of a guy?

1143
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 13: Well, he was like a coach on the field, right,

1144
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 13: you know, And so by him being able to be

1145
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 13: considered a coach on the field, I thought that at

1146
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 13: some point that if he chose coaching, that he would

1147
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 13: be a good coach.

1148
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 14: Romeo, what was your You don't have to limit it

1149
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 14: to one. When you look at your career in coaching,

1150
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 14: is there a person or people that you could say

1151
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 14: were tremendous influences on you? Mentors if you would, that

1152
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 14: helped you along the way. I mean, well, did you

1153
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 14: have seventeen different stops. As far as coaching, I'm looking

1154
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 14: at your wife over here, and that's a lot of

1155
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 14: tacking up and moving, which is you know, I think

1156
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 14: a lot of people take for granted and professionally, Oh,

1157
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 14: it's professional sports.

1158
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: It's really easy.

1159
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 14: And Mike mentioned it yesterday how hard that can be

1160
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 14: on kids. You know, who are the people that you

1161
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 14: that maybe inspired you and that you want to give

1162
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 14: credit to. As far as your coaching career is concerned.

1163
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 13: Well, I think first of all, I have to start

1164
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 13: with coach Jimmy Fikes, who is at Western Kentucky and

1165
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 13: I went to school there. I played for him. I

1166
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 13: was the captain on the team, and he gave me

1167
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 13: my first job, and after my graduate assistant year, he

1168
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 13: hired me to be on the staff. And if not that,

1169
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 13: I was probably going to be a high school coach.

1170
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 13: And then this coaching business, you kind of get stuck

1171
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 13: on the stratafy or that you're in. And so by

1172
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 13: starting at the college level as opposed to the high

1173
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 13: school level, that allowed me to be able to elevate

1174
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 13: up the ladder. And so coach Jimmy Fikes and then

1175
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 13: I met Parcels while I was down there at Western

1176
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 13: on the recruiting trail and ended up going to Texas

1177
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 13: Tech with Steve Sloan and Parcelles was his defensive coordinator.

1178
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 13: And then after a couple of years later, a couple

1179
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 13: more moves, we ended up in New York with the Giants.

1180
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 5: So you had that whole group. And I always found

1181
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 5: this interesting, just you know, it was the Giants, and

1182
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: then Parcels came to New England and it was all

1183
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 5: you guys coming to New England and then back to

1184
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 5: the Jets, and just how special was that group with

1185
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 5: you know, we all know all the names, with you

1186
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 5: and Charlie, that iconic photo. We'll get to that, I

1187
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 5: think later too, you know, with you and Bill. But

1188
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: how that must have been a pretty special group that

1189
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 5: you guys were a part of with the Giants, well.

1190
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 13: It was, and I should have mentioned Belichick also and

1191
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 13: those guys who had the influence. But Belichick and I

1192
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 13: we worked in the same office. He was a special

1193
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 13: teams coach started with and I was a quality control

1194
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 13: and then when Ray Perkins left the Giants, Parcels became

1195
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 13: the head coach. Parceales didn't give him the coordinator title.

1196
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 13: He said, you run the defense, but I'm not gonna

1197
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 13: give you the title yet. But Bill ran the defense,

1198
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 13: and then I took over special teams for him, you know.

1199
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 13: And so because of the time we were together, I

1200
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 13: think you developed that strong bond. And so I think

1201
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 13: we have a strong bond that group that you're talking about.

1202
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 14: That And I would think as we're talking about all

1203
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 14: the moves that you've made and the different groups that

1204
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 14: you're with, I have to assume it's a challenging time

1205
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 14: for you. When Bill Belichick came here to New England

1206
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 14: after the ninety six season, when he became the head coach. Here,

1207
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 14: you're with a group with the Jets, you know, and

1208
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 14: are we gonna go here with Bill?

1209
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 5: How are we going to do that?

1210
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 14: That must have been a hard decision for you to

1211
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 14: do because you're leaving some people behind, but you're going

1212
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 14: with another really good group. What was that period in

1213
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 14: life like for you, Romeo?

1214
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 13: Well, you know what, when those things happen, and when

1215
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 13: they occur, you have to sit down and you have

1216
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 13: to look at the landscape, all right. Who's working at

1217
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 13: different places? You know? And I took a couple of interviews,

1218
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 13: went at the San Diego and interviewed with those guys,

1219
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 13: and I knew a guy out there and he told

1220
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 13: me how good the weather was and all of that

1221
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 13: kind of stuff. But when it got down to it

1222
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 13: and Belichick called me and secured the position with him,

1223
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 13: then I knew where I want it to be.

1224
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 14: If you look back, Romeo, at all the great battles

1225
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 14: that you were involved in here, the championships that were

1226
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 14: won your career primarily on the defensive side of the ball,

1227
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 14: and during your head coaching career, was there a scheme

1228
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 14: or a team or a group of players that you

1229
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 14: can market say these guys kept me at up.

1230
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: At night more so than the rest.

1231
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1232
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 14: I think we romanticize some of the Colts games from

1233
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 14: the early two thousands and how difficult they were to play.

1234
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 14: But is there somebody that particularly sticks in your mind,

1235
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 14: like how am I going to.

1236
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: Stop these guys?

1237
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 13: Well, Peyton Manny for what he he fell into that category.

1238
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 13: You know, his rookie year, he kind of took a

1239
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 13: beating the first half of the season.

1240
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: But Peyton had.

1241
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 13: Such a command of that offense and he was always

1242
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 13: able to get the players to rally around him and

1243
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 13: sometimes exceed their abilities, and he was always a challenge

1244
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 13: because he knew offense, he knew defense, he could check,

1245
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 13: you know, and so he was one that I always

1246
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 13: enjoyed playing. But a little concern the night before.

1247
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes. No

1248
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1249
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 2: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1250
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: now meets next for residential delivery only.

1251
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. I know he's a

1252
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: friend of the show, but the pre and post game

1253
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: shows have become largely about soothing or feeding Hardy's ego,

1254
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: and he offers little actual information about the team or

1255
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: the game. It's so frustrated.

1256
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: Wow, oh we should bring this.

1257
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: That's entirely inaccurate Hardy.

1258
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if har has I think, if anything

1259
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: in this room, I think, if anything, he's got inferior complex.

1260
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: Yes, I would agree.

1261
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, he's a very busy guy. He's got

1262
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: ninety eight point five then he does serious he's got

1263
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: the music show, you know, so.

1264
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 4: He's got golf, the golf show that he does.

1265
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: But he gets free stuff for that, so I'm a

1266
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: little jealous. He took care of custom P HG clubs.

1267
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 5: He gave you clubs.

1268
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: He got those he got free and I got his leftovers.

1269
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Oh did you?

1270
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 5: He said, he gave me a set of irons? Nice?

1271
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: What kind?

1272
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 5: I don't know. I didn't look at him yet.

1273
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: You don't even look at him.

1274
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: No, we just the other night when we were leave

1275
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 5: and he put him in.

1276
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: My trunk, so you have you're not even curious to

1277
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: what they are.

1278
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 5: No, I'll look at him when I get a chance.

1279
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: I would want to know what kind of clubs I

1280
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: got you excited? I've been working on a new set of.

1281
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: Irons, just rolling around in the back of his car

1282
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: a bag.

1283
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: I'd want to know, Like the Calloways, and they expect

1284
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: that from him, not you. I expect you like I'd

1285
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: be excited to get a new set of irons.

1286
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 6: Mike, how's your putty?

1287
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 14: That's another great moment from.

1288
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: It's easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy. You know

1289
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.

1290
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:46,520
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1291
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,360
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1292
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1293
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1294
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Speaker 1: work from home space Paul.

1295
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,280
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1296
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,120
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1297
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01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots. So good, So.

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Speaker 5: Fred, when you were doing that read you mentioned all

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 5: the way to happy hour? Are you aware of that

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01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 5: Massachusetts may lose its status as the loan state in

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 5: the United States?

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Speaker 8: Love it?

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 5: That will not allow Yeah, bringing.

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 4: Back happy bring back at idea Happy hour is when

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01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: there's some deals on the drinks right open bars when

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: they're free.

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 6: So this is just gonna be the next front of

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 6: me when we go to the Conference of doubt side

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 6: of message, when.

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Speaker 5: We go when we know when we go to the combine, Yes,

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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 5: we stay usually at the embassy suites and they have Sorry,

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 5: I call it happy hour, but Mike correct mean says, no,

1321
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 5: that's open bar.

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01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: You get tickets.

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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: Now, it's tickets.

1324
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 5: If you stay there, you can get you know, you

1325
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 5: get tickets and you get a couple of free drinks,

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 5: which is great. It's a great, great little perk.

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Speaker 6: It's a great little but I call it happy.

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 5: I don't think you know how it works.

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: I was ready to pay.

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, happy hour is drink specials.

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01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 5: Correct.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of funny though, I mean, do you

1333
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 4: I mean, that was what the eighties or nineties, eighty four,

1334
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 4: eighty four.

1335
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: I was not even before I could take seventeen and

1336
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: it was the worst.

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 5: Sixteen.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's coming back.

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 5: But it looks like it's coming back. You know when

1340
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 5: Massachusetts woul probably be yeah, like, well that's why the

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 5: year twenty thirty, they'll do it.

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: That's what Massachusetts did when they banished the happy hour.

1343
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: They replaced it with app specials. You know, so two

1344
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: for one apps or half price.

1345
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 6: Usually the happy hours both, right, Like there's like a

1346
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 6: happy hour menu that.

1347
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 5: Run, Yeah, they run together.

1348
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: You think it'll help business because it doesn't seem like

1349
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: bars are hurting these days.

1350
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 5: Oh yes, they downtown yeah, or downtown.

1351
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some. Well, no one works anymore.

1352
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 5: Downtown Boston is struggling.

1353
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: They need people. They need people first before they can

1354
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: fill up the bar.

1355
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 5: Maybe you can get some people if you around here.

1356
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: Like I was. It was a Thursday after work and

1357
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: I was down in Hyannas and I went to, uh,

1358
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: this place. It's a Mexican place and it's got the

1359
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: big tree in the back, and the place was packed.

1360
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: It was all people after work drinking.

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01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: Patriot Place would be pretty good for happy Hour. Then,

1362
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 4: like you know, it seems like a good spot.

1363
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that bar Louis in the summer, that place's mom.

1364
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: They got the roof deck and everything.

1365
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 4: But you get like like a like a like a

1366
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 4: bucket of coronas or something for like sorry, but like

1367
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 4: bucket of beers.

1368
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering if Happy I was going to

1369
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: bring more people than they already have. Yeah.

1370
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Speaker 5: I think that they were worried about sort of the

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 5: rise in drunk driving.

1372
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Speaker 1: Correct well at the time. At the time, that's why

1373
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: they did it.

1374
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 5: And then other states have brought it back and have

1375
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 5: not seen any significant change right in the drunk driving rates.

1376
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, you want again, it's forty nine out of

1377
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 5: fifty states, MASSA contributed to accidents these days.

1378
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Speaker 1: It's the phone.

1379
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Speaker 3: Sure.

1380
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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking to when insurance guy, and

1381
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, you would think with all

1382
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: these safety features the cars have now, you know, the

1383
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, detection of cars near you and all that stuff,

1384
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: that accidents and especially fender benders are down, and so

1385
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: claims should be down. When are are premium is going

1386
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: to go down? He goes, No, he goes, Claims are

1387
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: still up, and it's because of the phones, people not

1388
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: paying attention, because of the.

1389
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Speaker 5: Just what the big insurance companies want.

1390
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Speaker 1: To probably probably, but at some point shouldn't all these

1391
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: safety features reduce claim and thus reduce our premiums.

1392
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Speaker 3: It's so annoying.

1393
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Speaker 4: Did your cars have like all these like different bells

1394
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 4: and oh yeah, every time you accidentally like look the

1395
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 4: wrong way, and it like it makes you.

1396
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: When I get a new car, I'm gonna be like,

1397
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't want any of that stuff. I just want

1398
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 3: to basically you know, you can turn it off.

1399
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Speaker 5: I don't want can you turn it off? Like the

1400
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 5: lane change.

1401
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 4: You accidentally touched the line and all of a sudden,

1402
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 4: you can turn that can auto break.

1403
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like Bill, I can't change the clock yet.

1404
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 4: I barely, you know, messing with the functions of the

1405
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 4: drag I can't figure out.

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01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 6: I just feel like in other places, like when I

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 6: lived in New York, the happy hour was huge because

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01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 6: you just jumped on the subway, like you're not getting

1409
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 6: behind the wheel ever, so you don't have to worry

1410
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 6: about that. But in Boston, so many people drive to

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 6: work and stuff like that that I think that was

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 6: why we haven't had happy hour for so long, is

1413
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 6: because the public transportation isn't as major as it is

1414
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 6: in a city like New York. Where you go to happy.

1415
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 5: It is flawed to like, if you're someone who's gonna

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 5: have some beers and get behind the wheel, I was

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01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: only going to do that because I was saving money

1418
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 5: on the beers. Right right now that I have to

1419
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 5: pay full price for the beers, I'm no longer going

1420
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 5: to do that.

1421
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: Like it's kind of flowed to play for an internet

1422
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 4: at home though, that's where they're gonna make up the

1423
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: price difference.

1424
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, but then you got to leave your car and

1425
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 15: then yeah, so get it and so if they can

1426
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 15: prove that people love happy hour because it saves the

1427
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 15: money rather than they can drink more, you know, then

1428
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 15: the safety issue is the same.

1429
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just saving money, they're not drinking more.

1430
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 6: I would say the bars in Boston note COVID just

1431
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 6: kill them, destroyed, Like so many good bars like on

1432
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 6: like the Boilston area and stuff like that just you know,

1433
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 6: just gone because of COVID.

1434
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: And even the once it survived.

1435
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 4: I feel like it's just ninety percent of the restaurants,

1436
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 4: they're not the same anymore.

1437
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: And I mean half the time.

1438
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: I just feel like sometimes you go to a nice

1439
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 4: place and it's professional waiters and you're like this is

1440
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 4: But if you go to one of those other kind

1441
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 4: of mid range places, it's kind of depressing, Like it

1442
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: just feels like it's hanging on by a stroke.

1443
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 5: Of those places are having a hard time fielding a workforce.

1444
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 5: They can't get people, they can't get.

1445
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's getting good workers.

1446
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 5: Because everybody in COVID found out that they could work

1447
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 5: from home, and now no one wants to work.

1448
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: I just going to work from these kids. My niece

1449
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: got an internship at a bank. I can't mention it

1450
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: because it's a competitor to one of our sponsors seventy grand.

1451
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: She's just not a college wow. Like, why would you

1452
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: need to be a waitress or a bartender if you're

1453
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: making seventy grand at.

1454
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 5: A talk show host?

1455
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 13: Wow?

1456
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: Report, No, I couldn't believe it.

1457
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: That's you know, or a producer. I see Matt with

1458
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 5: his palms in the air.

1459
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Like it's nuts anyway, Travis in West Virginia writes in

1460
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: at web Radio at pages dot com, it's hard to

1461
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: get used to your new studio arrangement. It reminds me

1462
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: of the Seinfow episode where Jerry has his kitchen remodel

1463
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: and it makes everyone uncomfortable.

1464
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 5: Remember that one, I don't remember.

1465
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: Cabinets were too low, so you had a like had

1466
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: the carpenter that always it's the one where George has

1467
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: his desk rearranged at the Yankees. You remember that? And

1468
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: then there was a bomb threat.

1469
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to figure this one out. Sounds

1470
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 5: like a good one. I don't know why it.

1471
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: Was a good one. And yes, Josh Allen is overrated.

1472
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: My main reason for feeling that way is because the

1473
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: things he excels at that amaze everyone, are not reliable

1474
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: in crunch time. In other words, rolling out of the

1475
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: pocket for fifteen seconds and slinging the ball sixty yards

1476
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: downfield is not something you can just dial up at

1477
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: any time and guarantee success. Also, Paul, he's a dopey

1478
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: guy in that matters a lot.

1479
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 5: Why has he been so good in crunch time?

1480
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: Then? How many times does he roll out for fifty

1481
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: seconds in I was.

1482
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 6: Going to say, we watched Josh, can we watch it

1483
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 6: against the Patriots?

1484
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 5: I just that that would be my one question. If

1485
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 5: he's not reliable in crunch time, why is he so

1486
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 5: good in crunch time?

1487
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 6: Looked up his playoff stats when we were talking about him,

1488
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 6: and then we moved on in the In his ten

1489
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 6: playoff games, he's twenty one to touchdowns.

1490
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 5: Is that good in crunch time?

1491
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 6: Ony one to four in the playoffs?

1492
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: I knew it was good. You're more of a numbers

1493
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 5: guy than me, But is that good in crunch time?

1494
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 4: So much of that team against the Patriots in twenty

1495
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 4: twenty one though.

1496
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 6: Fair point chunk, But yeah, I know his playoff numbers

1497
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 6: are actually really good. Though I knew that the turnovers

1498
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,480
Speaker 6: especially he cuts down a lot on the turnovers.

1499
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 5: People just look at the wins and losses, and that's

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: to me, it's the most flawed way to look at

1501
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:30,480
Speaker 5: any quarterback.

1502
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 3: Because if you look at one play two plays by

1503
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 3: side those.

1504
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 5: Games, and I thought, you know, and I've had I

1505
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 5: have my differences with with the Rolovsky in some of

1506
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 5: his takes sometimes, but he did make a really strong argument,

1507
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 5: like you're really talking about like three plays would dramatically

1508
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 5: change your entire perception of Buffalo and Allen specifically, And

1509
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 5: I just don't think that that's the difference between greatness

1510
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 5: and overrated. Mm I don't you know, you want to

1511
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 5: say he's not as good as people think, So maybe

1512
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 5: that makes him overrated by definition. Okay, maybe then I

1513
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 5: would say the same about Mahomes. And I think Mahomes

1514
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 5: is phenomenal, like way better than Josh Allen based on

1515
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 5: the amount that he's been able to win, But I

1516
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 5: just don't look at it as well. They lost that game,

1517
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 5: so it's on him.

1518
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have been thinking about that a little bit. Actually,

1519
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: Paul is like it's hard to.

1520
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 4: Extract like what you really know about a team versus

1521
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 4: just situationally, what happened in a game with a hand

1522
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 4: like two or three plays, Like does that define who

1523
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 4: the teams are or is it you know, more kind

1524
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 4: of the body of the work. And you know, like

1525
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 4: looking back at the Patriots teams the last couple of years,

1526
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean there are specific examples, but you know, just

1527
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 4: kind of an undisciplined team, like you know, those traits

1528
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 4: that kind of continually pop up. Whereas you know, you

1529
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 4: want to highlight one AFC championship game and like define

1530
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,480
Speaker 4: a player by that performance.

1531
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 5: Even if you want to take a silly like one

1532
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 5: silly regular season game, because we're talking about the Patriots,

1533
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 5: the game that the Patriots beat him last year. Yeah,

1534
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 5: they had down two touchdowns with what seven minutes left

1535
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 5: in the game. He rallies them to two touchdowns and

1536
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 5: then watches his defense allow mac Jones, who can't go

1537
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 5: from here to there without falling down to drive eighty

1538
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 5: r or seventy five yards. But I'm just saying, like

1539
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 5: that's Josh all right, right right, Like he goes twice

1540
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 5: in the last like three and a half minutes of

1541
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 5: the game. Now admittedly one of them was off a

1542
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 5: turnover they had a short field, but it's not his

1543
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 5: fault that the defense then went out and allowed Mac

1544
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 5: Jones to go seventy five yards and throw a touchdown

1545
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 5: pass with whatever less than ten seconds.

1546
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 6: Lest it sounds like you're coming over to the hub

1547
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 6: wins or faith, Oh.

1548
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 5: I told side of the Street, I think fugazi. It's

1549
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 5: actually fugazy. But I think that's a little bit strong.

1550
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't think wins and losses. I don't

1551
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 5: think quarterback record per se is a sole indication of

1552
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 5: whether or not the guy can play. I would, you know,

1553
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 5: you'd need to watch the games, how much game see

1554
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 5: how much the guy played. You know, some guys, like

1555
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 5: some guys just find a way to win games and

1556
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 5: it's not an accident. Tom Brady is at the top

1557
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 5: of that list, Like, it's not an accident that sometimes

1558
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 5: you just kind of like would meander along in a

1559
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 5: game and then the game is on the line, and he.

1560
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: Was balls with the game on the line and every

1561
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: time over and over again and repeats.

1562
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 5: So the record for him, to me is not misleading.

1563
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 5: There are other guys that you know, you looked at

1564
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 5: them and you're like, how does he have such a

1565
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,480
Speaker 5: good record. He's really not all that good. Jimmy Garoppolo,

1566
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 5: you know that's that's a good example there. I'll think

1567
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 5: of it. There's another guy who has a like a

1568
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 5: surprisingly good record and you're like, he's I can't believe

1569
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 5: his record is that good?

1570
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: Damon Hewett.

1571
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 5: Oh no, Mitch Trubisky. Mitch Trubisky's career record is way

1572
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 5: better than you think it is. And I think he

1573
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 5: kind of thinks.

1574
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 6: He definitely kind of thinks.

1575
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: Josh and turn his far. All you guys are the

1576
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: absolute best podcast or show for any sport and I

1577
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: appreciate all you do for the fans. Thank you. And

1578
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: by the way, that reminds me, thank you to all

1579
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: our friends on Reddit. It's been called to my attention

1580
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: that there was a survey about which Patriots podcast was

1581
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: out there and by far people chose this one. So

1582
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: thank you, uh to our Reddit followers. Reddit. That's R. E. D.

1583
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: D I T. T. Paul just one.

1584
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 5: When you're being smug and condescending, you should have the

1585
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 5: accurate information.

1586
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: Let's see lots of emails.

1587
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 4: It's the hard part of the hosting when you gotta

1588
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 4: like call an email out, but we gotta hit a

1589
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 4: little lull and you're like, oh crap, I need a

1590
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 4: good one quick, and then you're like, you.

1591
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 5: Don't have it, come on your equipment on.

1592
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: It up being fres now. Fred seems invigorated by the

1593
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: new studio. I like it already. The place gives after

1594
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: party vibes. Could imagine a Hooters waitress bringing you guys

1595
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: wings and beers any minute. Will take a little take

1596
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: a little minute to get used to, but easier to

1597
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: endure than Todd's griping. Wasn't too long ago that the

1598
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: PFW dinosaur scoffed at the idea of video. Just look

1599
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 1: at you now, all growed up and in some cases

1600
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: grown out. Yeah that's true.

1601
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 5: Anyway, just so you know I still hate video anyway.

1602
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: How likely is this scenario? Patriots wins something in the

1603
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: vicinity of zero to four games this year and it

1604
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: doesn't look good, meaning blowouts in may looks lost. So

1605
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: Kraft has some behind the scenes chats with Mayo acknowledging

1606
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: there's a long leash, but we need to see this

1607
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: thing turning around sooner than later. So the twenty twenty

1608
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: five season reveals a very different male, more intense, less collaborative,

1609
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: more cutthroat, less player friendly. Dare I say more bella Chickian.

1610
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: There's an intro in question of whether Mayo's tightening up

1611
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: like that might ultimately be good for the team. I'm

1612
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: rambling here, but maybe there's a pendulum swing we're in

1613
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: the midst of from the old autocratic regime to a

1614
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: new inclusive style and eventually back again. So what do

1615
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: you think not.

1616
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 5: Under may Now?

1617
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 3: If he did that, he'd be gone in twenty twenty six.

1618
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to be who you are, and

1619
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 4: I mean I like who Jurrob Mayo is. He's definitely

1620
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 4: different than Bill. And I'm hopeful that, you know, some

1621
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 4: of these adjustments and some of the change in approach

1622
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 4: is going to resonate a little bit more with some

1623
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: of these younger players, and that when we get into

1624
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 4: the season next year, we see a team that's that's

1625
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 4: all kind of pulling together and you know, seems locked

1626
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 4: in in the big moments. And I just I think

1627
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 4: that was unfortunately something that slipped over the last couple

1628
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 4: of years, that this was not a team that you know,

1629
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 4: was ready to not beat themselves. I guess, I mean,

1630
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 4: I think this team beat themselves as much as as

1631
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 4: other teams beat them over the last couple of years,

1632
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 4: and that's the biggest indictment I think of how it

1633
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 4: all went down.

1634
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 6: I just think a little some of that stuff's a

1635
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 6: little overblown like that, Okay, so he tells us that

1636
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 6: somebody's injured, and Bill might not have told us that

1637
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 6: that player was injured, or I don't think that, or

1638
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 6: like the locker room is like a little looser or

1639
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 6: something like that, or you know, more player friendly. Like

1640
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 6: the bottom line is if they get talented players and

1641
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 6: they win more football games, and it's going to look better.

1642
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 6: Like regardless of if Drod Mayo's attitude is different than Bill's,

1643
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 6: I just don't really think that that's going to be

1644
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 6: what is going to determine his success or failure as

1645
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 6: a head coach in the league. What's going to determine

1646
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 6: that is the fifty three guys they have on the roster.

1647
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 5: But I would say that my you know, there is

1648
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 5: a pendulum that that tends to swing between player, coach

1649
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 5: and disciplinarian. That's very common. It will not I don't

1650
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 5: think swing with the same guy. I think if Mayo

1651
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 5: this is not like an experiment, This is how Mayo believes, well,

1652
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 5: I need to operate.

1653
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: I hope how he is now is who he is.

1654
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 5: No, but I think that he feels like with today's athletes,

1655
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 5: you need to embrace them first before you ask them

1656
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 5: to run through a wall. And I think that's not

1657
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 5: going to suddenly change if it's like four and thirteen

1658
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 5: in year one and he's just gonna say no, I

1659
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 5: tried to coddle him last year. It didn't work. Next year,

1660
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to have them run through walls. Like I

1661
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 5: don't think it will work.

1662
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 3: It won't work, no way, no question.

1663
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 6: I am interested to see how they run training camp though,

1664
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 6: because nowadays, like there's obviously rules in place from the

1665
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 6: CBA that they can't do certain things and stuff like that.

1666
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 6: But notoriously speaking, Andy Reid has one of the hardest

1667
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 6: training camps in the NFL every single year, and not

1668
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 6: that everybody's, but that is the team you're chasing, like

1669
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 6: everybody's tasting the Chiefs, and he's doing it in a

1670
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 6: more old school way like they have some just like

1671
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 6: very famous drills and things like that that they do

1672
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 6: that you listen to the Kelsey Brothers talk about it

1673
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 6: on their podcast and Travis Kelsey's like Andy Reid's practices

1674
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 6: are brutal, you know, even harder than the games in

1675
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 6: some instances. And you just wonder if this type of

1676
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 6: coach and not saying Gerrod is necessarily going to be

1677
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 6: that curious, what what is Gerrod gonna do? And is

1678
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 6: it going to be a hard camp, you know.

1679
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: Or is it?

1680
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 5: And I'm glad you said that because I think that

1681
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 5: Andy Reid is by most definitions of a player friendly coach.

1682
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 5: He's he is a but he does have old school values.

1683
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 5: He's been around a long time, and I think that

1684
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 5: he operated a lot of the things that he did

1685
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 5: much like Bill did before.

1686
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 8: Now.

1687
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 5: I think Bill sort of as they struggled post Brady

1688
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 5: started to try to adapt a little bit and cater

1689
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 5: some of the things. And there was a lot of

1690
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 5: criticism Fred, your guy Badard, see how I did that.

1691
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 5: His guy, your guy Badard has been really outspoken against

1692
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 5: how easy camp has been for the Patriots the last

1693
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 5: couple of years. You know, club med and he was talking,

1694
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 5: you know, it's they're not practicing enough, they're not in

1695
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 5: pads enough, they're not working hard enough. I don't know

1696
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 5: if that's true or not, but It is interesting to

1697
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 5: hear people talk about Andy Reid in Kansas City saying

1698
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 5: their training camps are every bit as hard as they

1699
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 5: always work.

1700
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just what Evan said too.

1701
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 4: It's what you always heard about Build, that the practices

1702
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 4: were harder in the game game, you know. So I

1703
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 4: do think that there's a you know, the tone of

1704
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 4: the practice and how it kind of feels. And you know,

1705
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 4: as a man, do we get to those dog days

1706
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 4: of summer and you know it is the grind start?

1707
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 4: Do we start to feel the grind a little bit

1708
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 4: for the team? You know, be interesting because it's as

1709
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 4: easy to be that kind of players coach in that

1710
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 4: but you know, especially early on having a stamp down

1711
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 4: and really get these guys ready to play.

1712
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 6: Just feel like some of these coaches that are doing

1713
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 6: it the new way, right, Like teams get to December

1714
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 6: and January, the teams kind of soft. Yeah, looking at you, like,

1715
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 6: you know, it's great that your coach is like this,

1716
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 6: like nerdy, cool guy like trust me. I like, it's great.

1717
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 6: But then you get into the playoffs and and they

1718
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 6: get punched in the mouth and they can't do anything.

1719
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I do wonder because I I think there

1720
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 5: are a lot of teams that sort of do it,

1721
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 5: quote unquote the new I think philadelph is one. When

1722
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 5: we were out there for joint practices, Mike, we were

1723
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 5: both like, wow, there's and they worked hard during that time.

1724
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 5: But that's they They strongly believed in it, which is

1725
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 5: why I brought up earlier about the night practice. I

1726
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 5: was wondering if maybe there was something to do with that.

1727
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 5: Siriani clearly believes in getting the players off their feet,

1728
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 5: working hard but in a shorter amount of time, and

1729
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,839
Speaker 5: they that's something they've embraced now. Initially it worked wonderfully.

1730
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 5: Last year, Evan might be right like they completely fell apart.

1731
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's because they ran out of gas.

1732
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 5: I think they might have gotten I think they were

1733
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 5: kind of lucky to be ten and one. When they were,

1734
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 5: they won a couple of fluky games, and all of

1735
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 5: a sudden, you continue to play like that and you're

1736
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 5: not winning the game at the end, And they weren't

1737
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 5: really even a good team when they went into the playoffs.

1738
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 5: They got a man.

1739
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: John Seattle says, I wanted to give a thank you

1740
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: to Evan for talking about the ATN podcast on Tuesday

1741
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,520
Speaker 1: show What's atn Around the NFL, Around the NFL Okay

1742
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: and Patriots Unfiltered on my two constant podcasts, and the

1743
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: alternating episode release schedules allowed me to have NonStop football

1744
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: content throughout the year atn will be missed question. Bill

1745
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: would often say that off season is a time for

1746
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: teaching in your experience, whether it be a couple of

1747
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: years or the entire run of the Dynasty. What is

1748
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: something that working for the Patriots has taught you?

1749
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 3: Jeez, I feel like we're like a Ted talk or

1750
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 3: something like.

1751
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 9: Me.

1752
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 5: Ye, No, I think, I mean, I think that Bill's

1753
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 5: talking about the team, right. Bill doesn't like have seminars.

1754
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 5: I think us I got nothing, You got nothing, do you?

1755
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 13: Well?

1756
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean obviously Bill didn't teach us anything because he's

1757
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: not our supervisor or coach, but like just working looking

1758
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: at working in the NFL, working for the Patriots, Like,

1759
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: what did.

1760
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 5: You learn anything?

1761
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you learn it?

1762
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 5: Just how like NFL teams operate. But that was like

1763
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 5: ten minutes into year one. Yeah, Like that's kind of

1764
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 5: how we operate, you know.

1765
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: I think I've learned over the years that you know,

1766
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: even though we're not on the field playing and all that,

1767
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be a football fan to

1768
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: work here. I think it really helps. I think it

1769
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: really helps if you enjoy the NFL in football and

1770
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: if you're a Patriots fan. I think that helps h

1771
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 1: in my experience.

1772
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I said that to people. I'm sure everybody gets

1773
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 6: the people that like reach out and ask about for

1774
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 6: a career advice or something like that. But you can't,

1775
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 6: in my opinion, do this job because of how labor

1776
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 6: intensive it can be during football season if you don't

1777
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 6: really love sports and love football, Because when it gets

1778
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 6: into you know, week seventeen, and they're you know whatever,

1779
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 6: it's Christmas and you were in Denver and they're here,

1780
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 6: you know, doing the show on Christmas Eve and you

1781
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,480
Speaker 6: are just kind of like doing it to collect the paycheck.

1782
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 6: And it's I don't think you're going to be in

1783
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 6: it for the long call. And that's not like to

1784
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 6: offend anybody. It's just if you're going to do this,

1785
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 6: you got to think about that.

1786
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: The other thing, it's a hell of a lot better

1787
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: work in here when you're winning.

1788
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 6: You know, I wouldn't know that.

1789
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 5: I mean I haven't seen a playoff one yet I

1790
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 5: think that the stuff that you guys mentioned are kind

1791
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: of I think they're factual without question. I just like

1792
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 5: when you go from like I took the question is

1793
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 5: like you go from year to year, like you know,

1794
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 5: what's changing, what's what are you learning? How do you

1795
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 5: how do you sort of I guess maybe I could say,

1796
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 5: like just with the advent of all the social stuff,

1797
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 5: I'm learning more about that. You know, like read it,

1798
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 5: we would read it. We were talking about the guy

1799
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,839
Speaker 5: that poked fun at the dinosaurs about video. I understand

1800
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 5: that everybody has video. I just I kind of push

1801
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 5: back it. I don't. I've never been in my life

1802
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 5: someone who wants to do things because everybody else is

1803
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 5: doing them, and I unfortunately that's the way the world now.

1804
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 5: Everybody's doing it. So if you're not doing it, you're

1805
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 5: getting left behind.

1806
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's business sometimes.

1807
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 5: But that's that's like sort of I would say that

1808
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 5: the last maybe ten years, we've really changed.

1809
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: A key is to be the first house to do

1810
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: it again again.

1811
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 5: That's what I say all the time. I need to

1812
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 5: go to a meeting with someone tells me what's going

1813
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 5: to be really big next year, not what was really

1814
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 5: big last year. I don't need anybody to do I

1815
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 5: have any bean counter can tell me what worked last year.

1816
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 5: I need to have someone be cutting edge and tell

1817
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 5: me what's going to be the next big on what's coming,

1818
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 5: and then let's do it as well as please.

1819
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: Get ahead of it.

1820
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 4: I was thinking a little bit more about it though,

1821
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 4: just like, what have I learned having watched up close

1822
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 4: football for five years, you know, five seasons now, and

1823
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: I mean kind of the stupid little one that came

1824
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 4: to mind is just I think as a fan, you

1825
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,919
Speaker 4: get really excited about undrafted free agents of undrafted rookies

1826
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: and sixth and seventh round draft picks, and I think like.

1827
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 3: Part of watching so many of those.

1828
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 4: Guys is you realize how rare it is that you

1829
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 4: really find a special player in that group. And you know,

1830
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 4: like every year when we do the roundup of the udfas,

1831
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 4: you're like, you know, which guy.

1832
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: Could it be?

1833
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 4: And you know and and they certainly have a record

1834
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 4: of those guys making it. But it's it's I don't know,

1835
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't want to say I'm jaded more now, but

1836
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 4: it's like you realize when you see these guys out

1837
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 4: there in camp the impression that you kind of get

1838
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 4: out it's usually who they are.

1839
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 13: You know.

1840
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 4: It's not like you're gonna get out there and see

1841
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 4: some guy who isn't really getting it or you.

1842
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 3: Know, and then they're gonna be a star. Like with

1843
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, Nick hil Harry, Like.

1844
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 4: From the minute we watched him and I didn't even

1845
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 4: see him in OTAs. I got him in training camp,

1846
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 4: but like, you know, that's a guy who is a fan.

1847
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 3: You're like, first round pick, he looks pretty good. Was

1848
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 3: I totally on board with the pick? Not really, but man,

1849
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean look at him. He looks the part.

1850
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: And then you start to see him play and it's

1851
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 4: like this guy can't play like what you know? And

1852
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 4: then and then it gets into the thinking.

1853
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: Like what did the scouts see? Like what a bill see?

1854
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 4: Like if I'm sitting here as a guy who you know,

1855
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 4: admittedly has watched a lot of football but has never

1856
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 4: been formally trained to to you know, really look at

1857
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 4: the nuances like if I'm seeing this guy can't play

1858
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 4: within five minutes, like how are these scouts that are

1859
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 4: coming out here to how did my draft pick that

1860
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 4: I was pounding the table for do you know that's

1861
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 4: kind of like what has been interesting to me is

1862
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 4: really just the volume of getting to see all these

1863
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 4: practices and.

1864
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 3: Over the years and you really, you know.

1865
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 4: Start to develop this whole catalog of players that you've

1866
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 4: seen or that.

1867
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, things that you've been missing, that kind of stuff.

1868
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, along those lines, because I couldn't agree more. You

1869
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 6: also start to learn about not overrating guys like those

1870
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 6: types of players too quickly and like getting too attached

1871
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 6: to I always go back to poor Maurice Harris, right,

1872
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 6: like my first year covering training camp and Ota is

1873
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 6: like the whole the whole offseason. He had a great

1874
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 6: spring and everybody was talking about him as a guy,

1875
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 6: and he didn't even end up making the team, Like

1876
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 6: it wasn't even close. And so you just start to

1877
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 6: learn to be like maybe a little bit more patient

1878
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 6: with your takes of like okay, let's let's see this

1879
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 6: like in the dog days of training camp, if you will,

1880
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 6: or or anything.

1881
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: The opposite is.

1882
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 4: True though, too, Like with like a guy like a

1883
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 4: when you like you start to notice a guy is

1884
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 4: starting to play, you're seeing him out there a lot

1885
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 4: with it, you know, the first few raps or whatever's

1886
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 4: going on.

1887
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 3: This guy's out there.

1888
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 4: They're trying them out at different places, like you know

1889
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 4: those things are are still true to me? That all right,

1890
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 4: there's something brewing there, but you know, getting excited about

1891
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 4: every you know, Tom Dick and Harry they pull off

1892
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 4: the scraps sheet.

1893
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 3: You know, you don't he can't really do it anymore.

1894
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, one of our listeners said that

1895
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: the new set reminds them of the Seinfeld episode where

1896
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Seinfeld had his kitchen remodeled. Another I can't believe that

1897
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm that so far, but I can't either. Another emailer,

1898
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 1: this is Chris from Arizona, says it reminds him of

1899
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: a different episode Seinfeld, the one.

1900
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 5: Where I know this one Harry Seinfeld.

1901
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: That was one of the greatest episodes ever. I laughed

1902
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: the first time I saw that, like out loud several times.

1903
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 5: Some of the things like Kramer's like physical comedy and

1904
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 5: like over the.

1905
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,440
Speaker 1: Top, like some of the best episodes are his dementia.

1906
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 5: But kind of never really you know, it's like, yeah,

1907
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I get what he's doing, but like some

1908
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 5: of the the the quirky ideas, like remember when he

1909
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 5: put like the the garbage disposal, and he's like making.

1910
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: The little like he goes into these fantasy worlds, you know, and.

1911
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 5: He goes like when he had a job and he's like,

1912
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 5: we're going to have to let you go.

1913
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe he goes.

1914
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 5: That's what makes it so.

1915
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 1: Difficult, or or the one where it's a you know how,

1916
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 1: like sometimes the show starts and there's like a little

1917
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: segment before the commercial. This one was what happens in

1918
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,839
Speaker 1: Jerry's apartment? What does Kramer do in Jerry's apartment? Jerry's

1919
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: not there, and it's a whole thing, like he takes

1920
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: apart the phone, he's rearranging the furniture. He's yelling at

1921
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: the guy in the street come on up here and say,

1922
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: and then the guy's banging on the door. And then

1923
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: Jerry comes home and Kramer's just falling asleep on the

1924
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 1: couch and everything's back to normal, and Jerry just sees

1925
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: the coaster in the wrong place, like, oh, come on,

1926
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Like he has no idea what happened in his apartment

1927
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: while he was gone. You don't remember that, No, I do?

1928
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 5: I know exactly what you're talking about. Those are the

1929
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 5: things about Kramer that you know like Caromerica. You know

1930
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 5: he has his intern.

1931
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Another great one. Yeah. By the way, Elaine is going

1932
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: to be joining us for lunch. Elaine, When did this happen?

1933
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 5: Darren? I would not have been able to come up

1934
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 5: with her name. Darren.

1935
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 3: The actors Jared, the Kenny Rogers Roaster Chicken.

1936
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 5: That one, Catch the humble brag.

1937
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 3: That's the one where it's like it comes like a.

1938
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 5: It was a very subtle bag.

1939
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of it.

1940
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 5: Was the actor's name, Jared, Jared.

1941
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: He's also a writer, Catch the subtle the inside.

1942
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 5: I worked in l A. I was in the industry.

1943
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 4: Guarantee, there's a writer to collaborator.

1944
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Remember the uh intern we used to Lena Strowsky You

1945
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: here she was, Yes, her friend was the guy who

1946
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: wrote Soup Nazi Spike by Ferriston. Yeah, Spike.

1947
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: Humble show with him too, got a Spike Ones.

1948
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I did a show with it. Oh. By the way,

1949
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I finished Acolyte.

1950
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't finished yet.

1951
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. It was good eight episodes.

1952
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: No I did what what? What?

1953
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 5: Don't you even thought?

1954
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Why was it horrible?

1955
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:15,440
Speaker 6: Overproduced?

1956
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 3: I haven't finished.

1957
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,440
Speaker 6: Terrible acting, just terrible.

1958
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Star Wars things The acting isn't what you're watching it for.

1959
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Let's face it, right, garbage, you know.

1960
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 5: And I think if you want to talk now, you're

1961
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 5: going to have to talk on the air because we

1962
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 5: have no other way to hear you.

1963
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 3: Oh right, you guys not hear me in there.

1964
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: I can't out. I enjoyed it. It wasn't great, but

1965
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: it was. It was enjoyable, you know, And I'm curious

1966
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: to see if they go somewhere with it. Chris also

1967
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: says I can't wait to play as Paul Parolo from

1968
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Everett in Road to Glory and the New Madden. I

1969
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: don't know what that's about.

1970
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 5: So the college football one came out started.

1971
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 4: No, no, yeah, well I got to hear this. We've

1972
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 4: got to take over here with just sorry, Paul hijacked it.

1973
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 6: But that's okay, No, no, you go first.

1974
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 5: Just my son's friend is in it. Yeah, oh really?

1975
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 5: Oh for the Penn State?

1976
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1977
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Oh really?

1978
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 5: You get any money.

1979
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Getting money for that?

1980
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a lot, like life changes. I don't not.

1981
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say life changing money, and he kind of

1982
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 5: comes from money, so.

1983
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: Okay, but it would need a lot to change.

1984
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 5: It's it's significant and the thing that was really and

1985
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 5: he tore his achilles unfortunately, but.

1986
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: In the game or in real life.

1987
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 5: In real life. But the thing that's that's significant for

1988
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,799
Speaker 5: him is like they have like the starters for everybody,

1989
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 5: and then it's only like the top I think sixty

1990
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 5: five players or something like that are in it, and

1991
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 5: he's in it. Yeah, like as an incoming freshman with

1992
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 5: a torn achilles. Like that's not bad, that's crazy.

1993
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: That's really they have.

1994
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 5: They have designs on him is the game though. It's funny.

1995
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 5: I haven't played the game yet, but it's funny. It

1996
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 5: doesn't have it. The pitcher is not him. It's like

1997
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 5: an age oh never.

1998
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 3: I mean even the Patriots barely look like that.

1999
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 5: Well I'd always thought that was by design because Bill

2000
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 5: just said no.

2001
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're exact and then other times.

2002
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 5: His hometown is like with a school that he ended

2003
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 5: up going to is Brookline. That's pretty because he transferred

2004
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 5: from Fenwick to Dexter Southfield, so his hometown is listed

2005
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 5: as Brookline not Boxford. Okay, but pretty cool to have

2006
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 5: like your son's friend kid in one of.

2007
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 3: Those games made myself and Madden as they say, Yeah, he's.

2008
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 5: A good kid too.

2009
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: That's Alex George.

2010
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 4: You know, like, what does the depth chart look at

2011
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 4: like Penn State? If you're a freshman, are you like,

2012
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 4: well on the seventh tackle right now?

2013
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 15: Like?

2014
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 3: Is that how?

2015
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 5: I think he's crazy? On the defensive end, it's crazy,

2016
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 5: but not like one defensive end like the two to

2017
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 5: two and three him one of those deals. Nice, but

2018
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 5: he's not going to play this year.

2019
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: Adam and Louisiana, you've been there and give him some tips. Yeah.

2020
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Fred is absolutely right about the phones causing Rex. Now,

2021
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I drive twenty minutes to and from work every day,

2022
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: and I constantly see at least ten people meet a

2023
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: trip on their phone driving They end up sitting in

2024
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: the passing way and going ten miles an hour under

2025
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the speed limit. The worst one I saw was a

2026
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: guy watching a video while driving.

2027
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 5: See that's different. I don't mind if people are on

2028
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 5: the phone talking and I know you're supposed to be

2029
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 5: hands free now, but it doesn't bother me if you're

2030
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 5: having a conversation and you're driving. It's when you're looking

2031
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 5: at the He's right. I see people blatantly looking at

2032
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 5: their phones as they're driving, and I'm like, get away

2033
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 5: from me.

2034
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:33,799
Speaker 3: A lot of bad drivers out there.

2035
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Bad caddying, badah David and Wisconsin, would you consider moving

2036
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: your NFL picks you make on Thursdays to Patriots dot

2037
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: dot com and opening them up to listeners. Beat the

2038
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Patriots unfiltered staff over the season, and get a put shirt,

2039
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: maybe a little fan and game.

2040
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. You don't know if you're gonna beat

2041
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 3: me though, good luck.

2042
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,799
Speaker 6: You have to ask Christopher Eires.

2043
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you get the T shirt.

2044
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 5: It seems like a lot of work.

2045
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 3: I don't need more people beating me, pushing me down

2046
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 3: towards that came.

2047
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,799
Speaker 5: And oh, I don't think it'd be very hard to beat.

2048
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 3: Us, certainly not.

2049
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 5: That's true. I have been quite I have been quite

2050
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,839
Speaker 5: good the last two seasons.

2051
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm and you've heard me say this, Paul. I think

2052
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: anyone who can't get a good record straight up just should,

2053
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, turn in their credentials. But when you see

2054
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these things, well back when they used

2055
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: to have newspapers they had straight up and like people

2056
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: would have terrible.

2057
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 5: Time for me to cancel my globe. By the way, yeah,

2058
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 5: I did that yesterday.

2059
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: About the size of a napkin.

2060
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 5: Every day this week. It has not been there when

2061
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 5: I've left for work.

2062
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 1: Oh, somebody's stealing it.

2063
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 5: Maybe No, I get it when I get home. Oh okay,

2064
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 5: that doesn't do me any good.

2065
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,759
Speaker 3: What about your crossword?

2066
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 5: Well I bring in the next day. He knows me

2067
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:53,440
Speaker 5: so well. Grandpa's been there with his glasses and crosswords

2068
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 5: this morning. But it was from yesterday's paper. Hello, Michael, just.

2069
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Crosswork, Emery writes in from your descriptions of guys like

2070
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Peyton Manning handling difficult, difficult rookie seasons,

2071
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: it sounds like a good standard for readiness. It sounds

2072
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: like a good standard for readiness is something like, is

2073
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Drake may ready to handle failure? Is that an accurate assessment?

2074
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: What will be some indicators to you that he won't

2075
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: break down when things go poorly?

2076
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 5: I think this is a really difficult thing to assess,

2077
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 5: because when a guy has initial failure and then turns

2078
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 5: out to be like Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson, is

2079
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 5: that because he couldn't handle initial failure or because he

2080
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 5: wasn't as good as we thought he was. And I

2081
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 5: think in both of those cases, I don't know the answer.

2082
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 5: I think they have physical ability, but maybe they just

2083
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 5: weren't that good, you know, whereas Peyton Manning and Josh

2084
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 5: Allen were good enough to overcome their initial you know, failures,

2085
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 5: is that because they were just that much more mentally strong.

2086
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, But I don't I don't know how you

2087
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 5: guys look at it. I mean, I think it's fascinating.

2088
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's one of the most interesting

2089
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 4: things of this year is going to be because right

2090
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 4: now it's all sunshine and rainbows. Like Drake May had

2091
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 4: a great college career, he was a third overall pick everything.

2092
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's basically been positive. And you know, we

2093
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 3: saw it with Mac too.

2094
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 4: It was similarly positive, maybe not quite to the same level,

2095
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 4: but all of a sudden you realize you're playing in

2096
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 4: the NFL, which is in playing quarterback, which is one

2097
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:29,839
Speaker 4: of the hardest jobs you can have in the world,

2098
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 4: and adversity starts to happen. And you know, we saw

2099
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 4: Mac with I mean, I like, and I'd like to

2100
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 4: just say, like, I don't want to spend this whole

2101
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: year comparing this whole year to Mac Jones, Like.

2102
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 3: I really wish I couldn't do it. I wish I

2103
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:41,799
Speaker 3: could just stop.

2104
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 4: But you know, it's the most recent example, and it

2105
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 4: was a first round pick and it had some success

2106
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 4: early on and then it failed, and you know, you

2107
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 4: do want to learn from it. But I think we

2108
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: saw him dealing with failure. It wasn't It wasn't easy

2109
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 4: for me.

2110
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 5: And that's a good one because I think that mac

2111
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 5: Jones did show that he was not able to handle

2112
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 5: his initial failures. He didn't have much football adversity in

2113
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 5: his life heading into the pros, so I don't think

2114
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 5: he handled it really well, and that might be why. Ultimately,

2115
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 5: my bigger thing for him was a was ability. I

2116
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 5: think if he was a better player, he would have

2117
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 5: been able to put the failures behind him quicker.

2118
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: And he'd have less failures. Yeah right, Yeah.

2119
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 6: I've thought a lot about this obviously with the draft

2120
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 6: of why does a Sam Darnald or Zach Wilson, Why

2121
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 6: do those guys fail but guys that are probably pretty

2122
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 6: comparable from a skill set standpoint succeed in the league.

2123
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 6: And I the answer is that there's really just no

2124
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 6: single answer, right, Like it's a million different things. But

2125
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 6: ultimately I kind of said, where Paul does which is

2126
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 6: that probably that those guys just weren't as good as

2127
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 6: we thought they were, or they you know, it just

2128
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 6: wasn't they didn't have the talent to be you know,

2129
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 6: that type of player that can bounce back and things

2130
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 6: like that. But you often wonder if in a different

2131
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 6: especially Sam Darnald I thought was going to be a

2132
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 6: good player. I just wonder if in a different if

2133
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 6: we were in a different world, like if we were

2134
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 6: in a different you know, time zone or whatever, if

2135
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 6: he ends up being not a Hall of Famer, but

2136
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 6: he ends up being an NFL quarterback.

2137
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: In metaverse, there's a place where he's right.

2138
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 5: No, I do think that all of these super I

2139
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 5: think all of these guys, like case by case, all

2140
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 5: a number of variables could have changed the narrative, you know,

2141
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 5: and that's one of them for Sam Donald, Like if

2142
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 5: he had gone to Evans, God, Kyle Shanahan, you know,

2143
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 5: maybe maybe his whole career would have been different. Who knows,

2144
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 5: And everybody's individually different, Like David Carr, Like, I'm not

2145
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 5: telling you that there's never been a guy who played

2146
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 5: too soon, got battered and bruised and got bad habits,

2147
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 5: and he had everything that you needed, but it didn't

2148
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 5: work out because they played like and I do think

2149
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 5: David Carr probably falls into that case.

2150
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 1: That's what everyone says.

2151
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't think David Carr was going to be

2152
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, No, Like, I just I don't think it

2153
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 5: was that. I think he probably could have had a

2154
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 5: serviceable NFL career. I don't think he was like this

2155
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 5: budding pro bowler all pro that was ruined because he

2156
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 5: got a record amount of sacks.

2157
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Five past five hundred is the ace ticket hot line.

2158
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: Todd's on the line, Starry, to make your hold on.

2159
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: I forgot we had phones. What's up, Todd?

2160
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 8: I don't give me time to hear Tod the gears.

2161
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he said the hell Todd Todd? All right,

2162
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: God Todd.

2163
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: It's like, well you're saying, Paul, It's like that's where

2164
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 3: we kind of live now. It's like, you know, you

2165
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 3: take like the we have the perfect quarterback? This kid?

2166
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 3: Is it just the arm athletic everything you want?

2167
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 4: Saw everything? What does he need to get to be

2168
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 4: the greatest of all time? Like how important is the

2169
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,879
Speaker 4: offensive line? How important is the offensive coordinator? How important

2170
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 4: is the head coach? How important are the weapons. How

2171
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 4: important is the running game?

2172
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 3: You know, It's like you.

2173
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 4: Start to pull all these threads out, and when you

2174
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 4: started with just you know, a great quarterback, it's just

2175
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 4: it gets more and more complicated, and you want, you know,

2176
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 4: what's Patrick Mahomes without Andy Reid?

2177
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 3: You know what is Trevor Lawrence with Andy Reid?

2178
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 5: All those different The most under sold portion of all

2179
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 5: of this is, you know, why do so many top

2180
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 5: picks at quarterback fail? Because the vast majority of those

2181
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 5: quarterbacks go to terrible teams. No one ever says that,

2182
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 5: No one ever talks about it simple, you know, and

2183
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 5: people like, you know, I heard one of the shows

2184
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 5: that might have been Mike too on this one, Like

2185
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 5: give me an example of a guy who inherited a

2186
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 5: terrible situation and succeeded. You know, he stepped into a

2187
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 5: really bad spot. And a lot of people give Andrew

2188
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 5: Luck as the answer. Like there's a terrible team that

2189
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 5: won two games. They completely were rebuilding the roster and

2190
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 5: turning it over new coach, and he was good right away.

2191
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 5: He kind of games. He inherited a bad team and

2192
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 5: was pretty good right away. Most guys that's not going

2193
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 5: to happen for you know, it's it's hard to like

2194
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 5: take like Chicago right now with Caleb Williams, and I

2195
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 5: think it was them because that's on paper, seems like

2196
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 5: a pretty good situation with I think they won something

2197
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 5: like five or six of their last eight or nine

2198
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 5: last year, so they were kind of coming on they

2199
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 5: you know, they go they well get Swift. They drafted

2200
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 5: a Dounza, I think, right, they got Romanza and they

2201
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 5: got Cole Comet, they signed Alan, they put that's a

2202
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 5: pretty good situation. You're putting your number one overall pick

2203
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 5: in if he fails, you're not gonna be able to say, well,

2204
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 5: they got nothing around him. You can't say that for

2205
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams if he if he doesn't pan out. But

2206
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 5: how many guys get drafted with the number one overall

2207
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 5: pick and have that as opposed to what Bryce Young

2208
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 5: inherited last year?

2209
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Right?

2210
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 6: And I think that's everybody's fear about putting Drake May

2211
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 6: into this situation, is that they are probably more the

2212
01:40:56,479 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 6: Patriots are probably more in the Carolina Panthers Brice category

2213
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 6: then the Bears in Caleb Williams's category. So if you

2214
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 6: feel that way, that's why you're saying, I don't want

2215
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 6: me anywhere near the field as a rookie because this

2216
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 6: team is not ready for him. And a lot of

2217
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 6: people would say that that's why all these quarterbacks fail.

2218
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 6: I would say that if he's good enough, he'll over

2219
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 6: he'll be the one driving the bus.

2220
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: But we'll see, yeah, I mean Bryce Young. They had

2221
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: a terrible season, right obviously, but like we'll see, like

2222
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: if Bryce Young turns into a puddle, you know, or

2223
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: is Bryce Young really that good? I don't. I don't know.

2224
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 5: If he goes like three or four years and he

2225
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 5: plays like he did last year, I'll say bust. Yeah,

2226
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 5: he can't play. I'm not ready to call him a

2227
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 5: bust now.

2228
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: No, not yet.

2229
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 5: He had a bad rookie year by all accounts, like

2230
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 5: by all metrics, he didn't play well. Yeah, but I

2231
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 5: also would like to see him play a little bit

2232
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 5: and see if it gets better, see if there's any

2233
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 5: development there or and it's just not that number.

2234
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: I have to I didn't watch any Carolina Panther games,

2235
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe a few snaps here and there, so I don't

2236
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: really know the details, Like, you know, was it all

2237
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: Bryce Young? You know, how much of it was around

2238
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,520
Speaker 1: him was the word Yeah.

2239
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 5: Like it was basically Adam feeling and that's it's.

2240
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 6: Like a thirty three year old out of the corpse.

2241
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, literally had a decent year follow me off

2242
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 5: my bench.

2243
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 6: It was it was there was a lot of Bryce

2244
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 6: Young holding the football looking around with five guys blanketed,

2245
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 6: being like where am I supposed to go?

2246
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 4: And that's the thing that I liked though about Drake

2247
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 4: may is with Bryce Mink you mentioned like his side,

2248
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 4: like those are like the things that when it's not

2249
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 4: happening and then you start to focus more on what

2250
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 4: the shortcomings are.

2251
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 3: And I'm glad with like Drake that even if.

2252
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 4: It doesn't work out, like I don't think we're going

2253
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 4: to get to the point where he was just not athletic.

2254
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 4: He just doesn't have the right size, Like he's got

2255
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 4: all those traits, so that won't be any.

2256
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:50,839
Speaker 5: Of the excuse.

2257
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 3: It'll just because he can't play it.

2258
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: But going back to Bryce Young, he didn't get hurt

2259
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: right like you might have had a few might so

2260
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: he didn't get hurt. So the question is terrible season,

2261
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: but is there value that he got out of being

2262
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: out there for those games? Did he learn anything, so

2263
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 1: now he knows what it looks when it's bad.

2264
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if you believe what they're saying out of

2265
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 4: OTA's it was, oh, he you know, looks like it's

2266
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 4: all clicking, you know.

2267
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean, of course that's what you kind of expect

2268
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 3: to hear.

2269
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 4: But I mean, at least what they're saying down there,

2270
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 4: I saw some of that. You know, sounds like he

2271
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 4: looks like he's in command now. But again, I think

2272
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 4: the weapons and you know, the team around him is

2273
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 4: going to be the problem. And they unloaded Brian Burns.

2274
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a total redo on the defensive

2275
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 4: side of the ball.

2276
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Now.

2277
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they didn't have a first round pick

2278
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 6: because they traded it for Bryce you on last year,

2279
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 6: so that was a big part of it. But you know,

2280
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 6: to doce his point, this is why I got so

2281
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 6: enamored with Drake Bay and the draft process was because

2282
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 6: his margin for error is should be a little bit

2283
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 6: bigger than these other guys because he's six foot five

2284
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 6: and two hundred and twenty pounds and as a canon arms,

2285
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 6: so all the physical tools are going to be there

2286
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 6: for him just off the jump. So a guy Bryce Young,

2287
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 6: he has to overcome the fact that he's small. Yeah,

2288
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 6: you know, and that's gonna always be something that he's

2289
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 6: going to have to overgain.

2290
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2291
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 15: Uh.

2292
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Samir in Maine writes in going to an open practice

2293
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: with a buddy and didn't know what time we should

2294
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: plan out arriving gates open at ten, but should we

2295
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: get there for nine or nine thirty? Also, can we

2296
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,759
Speaker 1: bring our own food in a cooler? I don't believe

2297
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: coolers are allowed to clear back.

2298
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 5: You can bring a cool clear, but.

2299
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 1: There's plenty of food trucks and stuff like that.

2300
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,799
Speaker 5: And it depends if you have a very specific area

2301
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:34,599
Speaker 5: that you want to sit.

2302
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,839
Speaker 3: We get there early, well, let's give me the insider.

2303
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 3: You want to be the inside information. That's what you do.

2304
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 4: Get there early and then be lined to one of

2305
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 4: the trees on the hill overlooking the practice fields and

2306
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 4: sit in the shade under that tree.

2307
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 5: So how early do you you'll be there nine?

2308
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 4: You got to probably be close to when it start.

2309
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 4: The door is open, but that's a good spot to be.

2310
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 4: You know, you'll see the bleachers, but those are under

2311
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:00,759
Speaker 4: the sun and it's the hottest place on the planet.

2312
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 4: So go sitting under a tree it's literally the spot

2313
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, it is, and I'm still pitching it

2314
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 4: to the organization and we just put a shade over

2315
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 4: for the fans.

2316
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 3: If that's all I'm asking.

2317
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 5: You don't have to be spending money on that, suld

2318
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 5: be getting money.

2319
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: Paul's right. If you have a specific place you want

2320
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: to get, you better get there early because they do

2321
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 1: line up at the gate before ten and then there's

2322
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:22,560
Speaker 1: a stamparpee.

2323
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 5: I would just want to go to the practice and

2324
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 5: I would just get there at eleven and I would

2325
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 5: go in and I'd find a spot. I mean, there's

2326
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 5: spots to to hang. But if you want to be,

2327
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 5: like Mike said, under a tree to get some shade,

2328
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 5: you definitely do want to avoid the bleachers if you can.

2329
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 5: And I know that's where the vast majority of the

2330
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 5: fans sit. But it you can bake in the bleachers, yeah,

2331
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:44,480
Speaker 5: not in a good way.

2332
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 3: It's uh.

2333
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 5: I mean that I didn't say get baked.

2334
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 4: It's from Matt, but yeah, it's uh. I mean, there

2335
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 4: are always spots, but I think, like like you said, Paul,

2336
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 4: if you're going to be there on the weekend, to

2337
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 4: be be aware it's more busy.

2338
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 3: You know people come out, but if you're on.

2339
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 4: A weekday, especially couple days, a couple of weeks into camp,

2340
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't worry too much about it.

2341
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 3: Usually the crowds kind of taper off.

2342
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you you might have a better time

2343
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 5: this year because that fun, fun, fun, Red Sox will

2344
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 5: really starting fun fun, you know, of fever grips.

2345
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 6: Them, are we gonna? Are we going to get the jail?

2346
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 1: Come on? So a lot of people are and what

2347
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: Paul said earlier could be the reason. Like he's just

2348
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: an abrasive guy, and that's as simple as it is.

2349
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 1: And people don't back them up. But I hear a

2350
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of people they're mad at Nike because, you know,

2351
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: big corporate, you know, flexing their muscles just because they

2352
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: spent the money, blah blah blah. And they're mad at

2353
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 1: USA Basketball for giving in and allowing Nike to pull

2354
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: their weight around. And I say this, first of all,

2355
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: if you're the main sponsor of the team, I think

2356
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: you should have some say first of all, especially when

2357
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who in the past has

2358
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: said bad things about your company, right, so hey, can

2359
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 1: we maybe avoid that situation and not have him on

2360
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: the team. And by the way, that's not gonna hurt

2361
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,839
Speaker 1: your chances to win a gold medal. I don't blame

2362
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:13,639
Speaker 1: USA Basketball for kind of listening to if that's the case,

2363
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 1: to kind of listening to Nike in this In this case,

2364
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: you know, like you've got a guy who, you know,

2365
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: God knows what he's gonna do, is you're gonna use

2366
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: this as a platform to say more bad things about us.

2367
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: So if we can avoid that, you know, it's you know,

2368
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: could you work with us on that? And I get it,

2369
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 1: like it sounds like corporate America, you know, you know, uh,

2370
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 1: going against the one guy. But I it is about money.

2371
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're spending a lot of money on USA Basketball,

2372
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: and USA basketball needs that money. I kind of, you know,

2373
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 1: look at it from the management standpoint, I cannot. I

2374
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 1: can understand where, hey, if we can avoid that situation,

2375
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. You know. And you know, and like

2376
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: you said, Paul, if you're gonna be that guy where

2377
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,879
Speaker 1: you know, speak out and you know, have that principle,

2378
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 1: this consequences the consequences when it comes to money.

2379
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 5: And you have to stand by it. And that's right, Listen,

2380
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 5: I like Jalen Brown as much as anybody else as

2381
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 5: a player. And I would never tell any athlete or

2382
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 5: any person that they shouldn't feel comfortable stating their beliefs

2383
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 5: on social issues or anything else whatever. You know, you know,

2384
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 5: obviously within reason, you know, you can't just you know,

2385
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 5: it's free speech, but you can't yell fire in a

2386
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 5: burning building, you know, in a regular building. But with

2387
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 5: with Jalen Brown, there are consequences. It's like I would

2388
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 5: feel better about him if he didn't then backtrack these things,

2389
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 5: like you know, you're you're retweeting Kyrie when he had

2390
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 5: the anti Semitic comments, and then you're like, oh, I

2391
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 5: didn't realize that. Well you're doing it and you're not.

2392
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 5: Like I'm going to take issue with with Nike and

2393
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 5: sweatshops and whatnot, but then I'm going to say, you know,

2394
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 5: I have I have more things to say about that,

2395
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 5: but before another time. It's like Muhammad Ali went to

2396
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 5: prison and his champions hey for his beliefs, right, you know,

2397
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 5: like if you if you have different opinions, ye stand

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01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 5: by them.

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01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Stand by them, you know, like we work for the patriots, right,

2400
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: we have sponsors. If I like I was mad at

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01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: one of our sponsors for whatever, And I got on

2402
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: Twitter and started bad mouthing the sponsor. That sponsor would

2403
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: have every right to go to the page and say, hey,

2404
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 1: what of your employees is really, you know, saying bad

2405
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: stuff about we're paying you seven figures a year to

2406
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: put our name. Can you talk to him? Can you

2407
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: do something about that? They had have every right to

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01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: do that.

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01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd never did that, Jersey Mike Ston't worry.

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01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think that you said it originally. Just

2411
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 6: if Jalen Brown was the difference between them winning a

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01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 6: gold medal.

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01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,640
Speaker 1: Right, and that's why I said, we're not hurting your

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01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: chances to win a gold.

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01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 6: Then I think he'd be on the team, right. Like

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01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 6: I use this example yesterday I was talking to somebody

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01:49:57,120 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 6: about this. If this was Nikola Jokic and so and

2418
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 6: they Nikola Jokic was saying something about a Serbian sponsor,

2419
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 6: then the Serbian basketball Federation would probably be like, well,

2420
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,480
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, he's our only good player.

2421
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,560
Speaker 5: Right, so and they put we'll talk to him and

2422
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 5: get him to say those things again, but he will play.

2423
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 6: But I and I love Jalen Brown him, everybody. I

2424
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 6: literally came in here wearing a Celtics championship gear of

2425
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 6: the day after they won the title. Okay, but he

2426
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 6: is probably realistically the seventh or eighth best player on

2427
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,440
Speaker 6: the team. So if you if you really think about.

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01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 1: It, you just lost your green team card.

2429
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm just being a later, I'm.

2430
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 6: Just being honest about it. Like I you know, he's

2431
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 6: he's a very good player, but that's a team of

2432
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 6: very very good players. So he's probably be a bench

2433
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 6: coming off the bench for Team USA. He's probably the

2434
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 6: seventh or eighth best player on the team that they're

2435
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 6: going to roll to a gold medal. They're going to roll.

2436
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 6: They beat Serbia yesterday by thirty points and Serbia is

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01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 6: probably the second best team in the world. Point so

2438
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,719
Speaker 6: there as long as like something, you know, the meteor

2439
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 6: doesn't fall from the sky and hit their hotel, like,

2440
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 6: they're gonna win the gold medal. So for all that

2441
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 6: being said, for Nike, if they're just like, well, can

2442
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 6: you put Devin Booker, who's a third team All NBA

2443
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 6: on the team instead of Jalen Brown instead? Like is

2444
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 6: that okay? And like TM USA is like yeah, for

2445
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 6: the ten minutes that Devin Booker is gonna play in

2446
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 6: the Olympics.

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01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 5: We'll do it.

2448
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2449
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 3: Well, growing up, Nike was a four letter word in

2450
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 3: my house, so.

2451
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 6: Well it's literally a four Yeah.

2452
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: And listen which one of these sneaker companies don't have

2453
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: Chinese labor making their stuff? And they all do right?

2454
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 3: Oh, my dad used to go to Korea to watch.

2455
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact it's all cheap labor. I mean, Converse,

2456
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: were they made in America? Were they the only ones

2457
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: that made it?

2458
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 5: They were?

2459
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old Chuck's Chuck Taylors, Taylors, probably really good

2460
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: for your feet, slabs of rubber.

2461
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 4: What are those new shoes everybody's been wearing, the big

2462
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 4: like kind of like orthopedic.

2463
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: The Hocus Focus. Yeah, those aren't new.

2464
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 3: What's with those things?

2465
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 1: They're comfortable, They're just they're like clouds. Yeah are they? Yeah? Yeah,

2466
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: they've been around for a while. The running crowd really

2467
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: knew about them for years seeing them. Yeah, they're big.

2468
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 5: How did you find out about them?

2469
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 1: Focus from the running crowd. I don't run.

2470
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 5: Who do you know in the running crowd?

2471
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 3: He runs people?

2472
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I run this place.

2473
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 5: He's just tennis players to the ground.

2474
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 4: Let's see Uh, how did you feel, Alchaz.

2475
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 5: It was a clinic.

2476
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

2477
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 5: Was clearly not healthy, but that was a clinic.

2478
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2479
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 6: What a day for a Spanya.

2480
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: Oh good day.

2481
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, good day for them.

2482
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2483
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 5: Now he's he's going to need more information that.

2484
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: That was a masterclass.

2485
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 5: What he did new Alpharez was Spanish and something happened good.

2486
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: And so excited to see what he can do in

2487
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: the US Open. You know, if you could do three

2488
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 1: of the Grand Slams. Thursday, I was listening this is

2489
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: uh Stevie in Texas. I was listening to the comparison

2490
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:13,520
Speaker 1: of the Patriots and the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, I understand

2491
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: why we were.

2492
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 3: They were hoping that you weren't here, and they asked the.

2493
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 6: Show, and I was like, they really needed me.

2494
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: Okay, read the email and we can get her aware

2495
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: of it on Thursday.

2496
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 5: So it's great that we're bringing it up at one

2497
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 5: fifty three.

2498
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 1: I know, I was listening to the comparisons of the

2499
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: Patriots to the Chicago Bulls. I understand why some would

2500
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 1: compare the two, considering they both won six titles, had

2501
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time and two of the

2502
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 1: greatest coaches of all time. With that being said, I

2503
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,879
Speaker 1: never really send the Patriots. Never something like the Patriots,

2504
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,679
Speaker 1: like the Bulls, but more like the San Antonio Spurs

2505
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: due to the longevity of their success. I think Pop

2506
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: is more like Bill than Phil Jackson. Also, who would

2507
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: you have as your top five NBA players of all time?

2508
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Minds Jordan lebron Kareem Magic, Tim Duncan.

2509
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 5: All right, and you missed you miss Larry Bird.

2510
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 6: Sorry, sorry, I'm sorry.

2511
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 5: I didn't know I wouldn't, but I loved him.

2512
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 1: Remind me of the conversation that said I wish Paul

2513
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:13,759
Speaker 1: was so they were.

2514
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 4: Like asking us to compare the Bulls dynasty and the

2515
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 4: Patriots dynasty because.

2516
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 5: I kind of agree with his assessment there.

2517
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 4: Well, my only point that I think I made it

2518
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 4: was just that, you know, the Patriots was a little longer.

2519
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 4: It seemed like the Bills were very dominant, but for

2520
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 4: like an eight year period, whereas the Patriots are longer.

2521
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,599
Speaker 6: But that was well, the Bulls, but they were knocking

2522
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,839
Speaker 6: on the door and they lost to the bad boy Pistons,

2523
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 6: and they were but.

2524
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 5: It did abruptly end, no question, But I wonder, I mean,

2525
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 5: it would have been eight in a row. There's no

2526
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:42,839
Speaker 5: doubt in my mind if he didn't, he didn't retire,

2527
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 5: Slash get suspended. Right. But I do think that the

2528
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 5: the comp to san Antonio to me works better because

2529
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 5: I do think of I think Popovich is very overrated,

2530
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 5: but I think he's more like Building than Phil Jackson.

2531
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 1: In terms of the style.

2532
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 6: Well, Phil Jackson's nickname was the zen Master. He was

2533
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 6: like a complete fruitcake, right, Like it's like, you know,

2534
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 6: more of an ego manager for sure. Text Winter was there,

2535
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 6: like strategic, He's.

2536
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 4: The one that come up with the trying triangle offensive

2537
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 4: innovation that that's technically similar.

2538
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 6: Like, well that's.

2539
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 5: Talking basketball now. He was given the triangle offense. I

2540
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 5: don't know how many three points of three points only

2541
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:32,280
Speaker 5: the only.

2542
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 6: Like gripe I had with your your.

2543
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 3: We were fully aware, we didn't know what the hell

2544
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 3: we were talking about.

2545
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:41,879
Speaker 6: So you said that the Bowls three peats were basically

2546
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 6: the same team, and it was Michael and Scotti the

2547
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 6: whole time, but the supporting cast changed significant.

2548
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 5: Robin was just the second three so he was like

2549
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 5: Gronk Boris Grant.

2550
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 6: Horace Grant was the first magic see I know a

2551
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 6: little bit Horace Grant was the first magic the first

2552
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 6: three peat. Dennis Rodman came in for the second three peat.

2553
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 6: Tony Kuk coach second.

2554
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:06,879
Speaker 3: So it's kind of similar.

2555
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 5: They definitely turned it over, except for just like.

2556
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 4: Because you're basically playing with six players anyway like that.

2557
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to compare someon any of them.

2558
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so we weren't that we were right.

2559
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: We were totally right.

2560
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 3: I know everything about that.

2561
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 6: It just was like the details, you know.

2562
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 5: I'm just that Mike's been holding out basketball.

2563
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 6: And I didn't know you knew triangle offense that I

2564
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 6: don't know how to.

2565
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 3: I couldn't put it up on the big boarder.

2566
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: But six and eight in seven years, six and eight

2567
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 1: and eight years, and that's amazing.

2568
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 5: Three peats in an eight year span.

2569
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 4: But did you Paul would also tell you that he

2570
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 4: thought the Patriots could have gotten a couple that they

2571
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 4: didn't and maybe.

2572
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 5: Even more we could have lost something that we won

2573
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 5: to Jerry Cross was our GM and we were all in.

2574
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 6: Jerry Cross. That was terrible when his widow horrible.

2575
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: But when Jordan left it, you know, the wheels came

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