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Speaker 1: But what if my own children, my twins, invite the

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Speaker 1: predator into our family room, our den while I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there with them, and I don't know a thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the Internet. It's right under my nose. It's there.

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Speaker 1: When your child is under the covers at night in

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Speaker 1: your child, the whole world. I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: that parent who doesn't let my child have an iPad

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Speaker 1: or a smartphone. But what's the alternative? Online predators lurk

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Speaker 1: and the friendliest place is online. They know where to

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Speaker 1: find your child in a friendly chat room, an online game,

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Speaker 1: a social media app, whether it's minecraft or a fortnight,

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Speaker 1: a guinea pig chat room, a kiddycat chat room. They

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Speaker 1: are there a friendly My screen name means nothing, as

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Speaker 1: you are about to hear. But we can protect our

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Speaker 1: children online. And this is how It's not just a

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Speaker 1: matter of going in your front yard and calling for

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Speaker 1: your child to come home. This is the age of

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Speaker 1: the Internet and now we must wrestle with and wage

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Speaker 1: war against cyber threats. With me today an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: First of all, with me Alicia Kuzkevich, an abduction survivor,

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Speaker 1: lord as a child online and the inspiration for Alicia's Law.

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Speaker 1: Also with me Adam Coaufin, former police officer and the

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Speaker 1: founder of Safe Kids, Inc. And Francy Haykes, who ran

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Speaker 1: the government war on child exploitation and abduction. Let's speak

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Speaker 1: to the experts, and I won't just start with Alisha,

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Speaker 1: who is a survivor and again the inspiration for Alisha's Law. Alisha,

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Speaker 1: to me, you being here at this table with us

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Speaker 1: on this beautiful day is a miracle. Please tell us

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Speaker 1: your story.

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Speaker 2: When I was a child, I was a really typical

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Speaker 2: average kid. I come from good family, good neighborhood, the

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Speaker 2: kind of family that maybe people would think that something

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Speaker 2: like this couldn't happen to and we certainly thought that

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Speaker 2: it couldn't happen to us. This was never anything that

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Speaker 2: it was back in two thousand and one and two

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Speaker 2: about it, and that was because they didn't grow up

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Speaker 2: with it, and there were there are no stories like mine.

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Speaker 2: There were no Internet safety seminars, There wasn't anything for

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Speaker 2: them to go on, and so my mother sat down

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Speaker 2: and she talked about stranger danger. But that doesn't work

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Speaker 2: online because you feel like you know somebody very quickly.

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Speaker 2: And I can remember it took me a while to

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Speaker 2: actually get online. It seemed like all my friends no

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Speaker 2: the time it was really incredible. I was a shy kid,

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Speaker 2: think was the most important thing is that this was

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time online talking to my

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Speaker 2: friends from school, and at the time, it felt like

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Speaker 2: it was a clubhouse. Three wait calling was still a thing,

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Speaker 2: and I remember explaining it to my mom and it

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Speaker 2: And there I was in a chat room and somebody

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by chat room?

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Speaker 2: So a chat room was where a bunch of people

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Speaker 2: common box, one common textbox, and everybody would communicate together

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Speaker 2: and then you could private message somebody from out of

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Speaker 1: What chatroom were you in?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the name of it, but it was

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Speaker 2: I believe a Yahoo chat room.

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Speaker 1: You're in a chat room in the family room with

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Speaker 1: your family there, your brother or your mom and dad. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what happens?

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Speaker 2: So I thought that this was a boy around my

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Speaker 2: own age, and maybe it was a little naive, but

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Speaker 2: I was a really trusting child, and I was taught

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Speaker 2: that the world is good, and I knew that there

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Speaker 2: were bad people in it, but they were far away.

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Speaker 2: They weren't in my world, or they were in comic

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Speaker 2: books or in Disney movies. It wasn't real and nothing

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Speaker 2: could ever happen to me. So I trusted that this

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Speaker 2: person was who they said they were. I was who

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Speaker 2: I said I was. Why would somebody lie? That never

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Speaker 2: came up in my mind? And he immediately began to

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Speaker 2: the time. There were no red flags and none that

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Speaker 2: he was my friend, and it's very easy to groom

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Speaker 2: for you when you need them, being supportive, being within reach,

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Speaker 2: like I said, being there for just when you need them,

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Speaker 2: and talking about your life. And that's what a predator's

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Speaker 2: goal is it's really to gain the trust of a

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Speaker 2: what they need to hear. So your mom will tell

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Speaker 2: ever want to hear. So to clean your room, do

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Speaker 2: your dishes, you' your homework, this and that and the other,

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Speaker 2: and then a predator will just say no and tell

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Speaker 2: you what you want to hear. It's hard to be

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Speaker 2: a kid today. I think it's harder to be a

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Speaker 2: kid than it ever has been. Kids don't feel pretty enough,

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Speaker 2: handsome enough, fit enough, wealthy, enough, this, enough that enough,

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Speaker 2: and a predator will make them feel like they are enough.

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Speaker 2: And so many kids suffer with so many different sorts

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Speaker 2: of insecurities. Like I said, it's really hard to be

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Speaker 2: a kid. And kids want to connect, and it's so

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Speaker 1: So you're online and you start talking to a boy

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Speaker 1: you think is your age twelve thirteen range, and what

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Speaker 2: Over a period of eight or nine months of this

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Speaker 2: grooming process, good gravy predators take a very long time months, Okay, right,

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Speaker 2: One of the cases we'll discuss. It was eighteen months

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Speaker 2: do whatever is necessary to groom the child. And while

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Speaker 2: they're talking to you, they often have other children that

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Speaker 2: they'll just move right on to that next child until

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Speaker 2: they find the one. But predators know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: They do this. This is their not their job, but

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Speaker 2: it's their life goal is to prey on children and

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Speaker 1: So it's so hard for all of us, you know,

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Speaker 1: loving parents to relate to someone who's single goal in

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Speaker 1: life is to find a child.

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Speaker 2: To be a monster, and she's warm somebody.

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Speaker 1: Molested and harm. So you know this kid for about

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Speaker 1: eight or nine months, and then what happens on New

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Speaker 2: I can remember it and when I think back, I

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Speaker 2: our family where if everything just continued that way, I

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Speaker 2: would have been lovely. We sat around the dinner table,

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Speaker 2: my brother and his girlfriend, and my grandmother. So it's

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Speaker 2: a really beautiful evening. The snow was falling, and I

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Speaker 2: And kids don't always tell the truth. They hide a

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Speaker 2: past the Christmas tree that was up, and into the coldest, darkest,

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Speaker 2: effective grooming is, I was a child who was really

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Speaker 2: quite scared of the dark, hated the cold with a passion,

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Speaker 2: and never went outside alone after dark. Yet completely out

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Speaker 2: right back through it and out into my neighborhood, and

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Speaker 2: again it was beautiful. The snow was untouched, and there

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Speaker 2: I walked up the street just about a block or so,

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Speaker 2: and if I turned around, I could still see my house.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, well here's my house. I must

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Speaker 2: be safe again. Neighborhood, this is my familiar area. And finally,

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Speaker 2: it is there for a reason. I heard this little

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Speaker 1: Go home now.

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Speaker 2: And I turned around, and next thing I knew, I

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Speaker 2: He had said that he had who was going to

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Speaker 2: It was four days, and he was going to kill

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Speaker 1: Say don't tell anybody else in the home.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear anything else?

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Speaker 2: You in the ways that I would never cut you

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Speaker 1: Did he ever unchain you?

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Speaker 2: There were very brief times where he would take me

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Speaker 2: And again, it's not a movie. It's it's real life again.

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Speaker 2: That morning he had said to me, I'm beginning to

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Speaker 2: And he was becoming, for lack of a better term, attached.

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Speaker 1: Where did they fade you?

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Speaker 2: It was fried chicken from a fast food restaurant.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time I told my mom or

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Speaker 2: walk over and he demanded that I crawl out and

439
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Speaker 2: put my hands up. And I can remember crawling out

440
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Speaker 2: from underneath this bed, dragging that cold, heavy chain behind me,

441
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: trying to cover myself because I didn't have any clothing on,

442
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: and staring into the barrel of a gun and thinking, Okay,

443
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,239
Speaker 2: this is the moment I'm going to die. But then

444
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: he turned around and I saw that it was law

445
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: enforcement by what was written on the back of his jacket,

446
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: and all these officers rushed in, cut the chain from

447
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: around my neck, and literally they gave me a second

448
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: chance of life. It was such a moment of despair

449
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: and the end of the line which turned into a

450
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: whole new existence. It was giving me my life back.

451
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when you saw your parents again?

452
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Speaker 1: I do and.

453
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: There's no words for most of the situation, and there

454
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: are definitely no words for that. You can't say joy, happiness.

455
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: But what I do remember the most, and my mom

456
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 2: and dad were both there, but my dad came up

457
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Speaker 2: to me first, and what it was was he hugged me,

458
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: and in that moment, it was truly over. I had

459
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: been surrounded by law enforcement officers with guns who would

460
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Speaker 2: protect me, but they wouldn't protect me like my father would.

461
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: And I knew that once I was in his arms,

462
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: nothing and no one could ever hurt me. In that

463
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 2: the situation, this was over. And then my mom got

464
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Speaker 2: a hug too. But I really remember that dad moment

465
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: because I was I was safe.

466
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Speaker 1: With me along with Alicia Kazakevich is Adam Coffran and

467
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: Francy Hakes. You know, Adam Coffran, you have seen so

468
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: many cases of child abduction, child's treatment, child abuse. I

469
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: know you recall the case of Nicole Lovell. Like you,

470
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Speaker 1: a little girl about thirteen years old, very sheltered, very naive,

471
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Speaker 1: who thinks she finds online a boyfriend who turns out

472
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Speaker 1: to be a much older man older than her, who

473
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Speaker 1: is a star, a track star, an engineering major at

474
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech who is luring her online. She had no idea,

475
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: our family has no idea. She was lured out of

476
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: her home one evening, much like Alisha, except she was murdered.

477
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Speaker 1: I want you to address exactly what happened with Alisha

478
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: and what has just happened recently with Nicole Lovell who

479
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: lost her life. All started with online Laurie while she's

480
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Speaker 1: in the home with her parents.

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Speaker 3: You know Alicia's story. You look at and you couldn't

482
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Speaker 3: have sent a better trust. You know, a lot of

483
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: predators will try to go after girls, boys that have

484
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: trust or friends issue. You know, these are kids that

485
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: may be smaller in.

486
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: Stature, they may have, as we see, maybe some physical

487
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Speaker 4: deformities or scars, or there's something that these students and

488
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Speaker 4: these kids are not connecting to or painfully shy, painfully shy.

489
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Speaker 3: And I was one of those kids that was painfully shy.

490
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: I wouldn't talk to any stranger, you know, regardless of

491
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: they were friends, my parents for not. And you know

492
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: in person you can see the shyness. But online and

493
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: like Alicia said, she felt empowered. She felt like she's safe,

494
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: that she could talk to other people. She could you

495
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: have the backspace button? You have a second or third

496
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: chance to reread that conversation. And I think it's it's

497
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: building the trust that this is a friend. Now I'm

498
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: your friend. You have faith.

499
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Speaker 1: Here went on for nine months. That's a long time

500
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Speaker 1: to develop a relationship online, to pretend you're a twelve

501
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: year old boy and talk about middle school and soccer

502
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: and what's on TV. That's a long time to lead

503
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: a double life as a child and lure the victim.

504
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: So what are we learning from this?

505
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: We're learning that Number One, they're patient. During those eight

506
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: or nine months. There are are areas where they're going

507
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: to test. They're going to ask for a photo, They're

508
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: going to ask you to do something, maybe receive something

509
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: in the mail or send them something. There's going to

510
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: be points to see how far they can push, to

511
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: see how much that other person trusts them.

512
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Speaker 1: How does it go from chatting online and pretending you're

513
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Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen to actually being able to lure a

514
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: child out of the home. How does that happen?

515
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: They're really good at and they make sure they understand what.

516
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: Kids do, what video games they play.

517
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 5: What kind of you know, what do they follow the Kardashians.

518
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: Who is it they're interested in? What do they like?

519
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 5: They find out all this information from these children from

520
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 5: initial chatting, and then they become friends, and then they

521
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: develop what the child thinks as a trust relationship so

522
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: that they want to meet them. They think, this is

523
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: not only a friend, this is my best friend. This

524
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: is someone who loves me more than anyone. This is

525
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 5: someone who never says anything bad to me or about me.

526
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: They don't insult me, they don't judge me. They say

527
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 5: I'm part, they say I'm special.

528
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: And they always take the child's side. Like Alicia was

529
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: saying earlier, your mom says, Okay, you gotta go to bed,

530
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: you gotta clean your room, you gotta do the dishes.

531
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: That person that fake online will go. Your mom's making

532
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: you do the dishes. A gear, you gotta go. That's crazy.

533
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Why she's so made to you? That's right.

534
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: And they know where to go, and they've known where

535
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 5: to go for decades now. The men of the internet

536
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: had things like chatrooms and bulletin boards. The predators learned

537
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 5: where to go, They learned where the kids were, they

538
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 5: learned how to talk the way the kids talk, and

539
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: they established that relationship and I just want to be

540
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 5: clear for parents. While a Lisia talks about nine months,

541
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 5: we know of cases where grooming has gone on a

542
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: lot longer than that. I've also seen cases where grooming

543
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: happen right then that day, boom, the child is out

544
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: of the house, meeting the predator out.

545
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: The more they're online, the more they're a target.

546
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: And how much do they share? Right to learn the

547
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: home dynamic and.

548
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: Kids are online pre constantly. Now when this happened to me,

549
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: there was a big dusktop with dial up. Kids have

550
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: mobile devices and petits have access to them all the time.

551
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: So when you talk about problems of being online, kids

552
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: are online every second of every day. Maybe not actively,

553
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: but they're getting notifications.

554
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: And now explaining that to parents that don't know what

555
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: you're saying. They they may not be talking on the phone,

556
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: they might be tapping like that or staring at it,

557
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: but they're getting notifications. When you hear a phone or

558
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: an ipay go or some crazy sound, that's a notification.

559
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: What is it exactly? So they're getting a notification often

560
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: it's a like it's a comment. And what is so

561
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: important to kids?

562
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Now?

563
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: Would they develop their entire self worth on is how

564
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: many followers they have, how many likes they get, and

565
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: how many comments they get. And if they don't get

566
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: the appropriate amount of comments on a photo or likes,

567
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: that they feel like they are less of a person.

568
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: And I've talked to people and it's something that kids

569
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: will actually do to each other.

570
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Speaker 1: Oh slow down, slow down, I'm drinking from a fireegeant here.

571
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: It's too much at once, Elisha. So when you get

572
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: the ding or it could be silent, a notification that

573
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: is someone trying to contact them, whether it's a thumbs

574
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: up sign or a light or a check or so

575
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: and so is started. I just got a couple of

576
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: myself while we're sitting here. So and so it started

577
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: a live video on Instagram. And if it's one of

578
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: your friends, you don't want to miss it, so you

579
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: immediately pick up.

580
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 5: That's what's so appealing. Well, I have to say to

581
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: adults too, but especially to kids, it's instant gratification. It's

582
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: instant knowledge that you have a community of people who

583
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: are going to piss up the second you do something.

584
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: So and so took three seconds to like my photo

585
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: that I just took where I had dinner. I'm special

586
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 5: because they're following me that and it feels good and.

587
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: It leads me to something else. Photo location, Oh, yes,

588
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: you put a photo up. It's not that they can

589
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: see in the background you're at six Flags or at Disney.

590
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: They can actually tell the city sometimes even street explain

591
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: that Adam from.

592
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: The locator correct, So you can opt in to check

593
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: in on Facebook or Instagram, so it shares your GPS location.

594
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: You know, Nancy and Adam are at Disneyland together, and

595
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: then there's our photo. Even sands that within the photo

596
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: is data that shows where the photo was taken. So

597
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: on your phone it will categorize by location where photos

598
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: were taken, as many as a search tool for your

599
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: technology or your phone or your computer. But the same token,

600
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: you can reverse engeneric to see where the photo was taken.

601
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: So if you upload a photo, let's say, in Houser together,

602
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: and we post it online, even though I don't check in,

603
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: I don't share my location. If someone saves a photo

604
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: and then uses software, they can see the latitude and

605
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: longitude where we are and very quickly be able to

606
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 3: be here exactly.

607
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: Hutters can use that to say, oh, you know you

608
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: have the old version of the phone. You should have

609
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 5: a six, or you should have an eight or an X.

610
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 5: Don't you have, I'll get you one of those. And

611
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 5: that's another way that they groom children is by giving

612
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 5: them gifts that their parents won't otherwise. What about tagging? Yeah,

613
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: I'm against it. So what people don't what I think

614
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: a lot of parents don't understand, is there are all

615
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 5: these privacy settings for all these apps that you use,

616
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: and the companies are constantly changing the privacy settings. So

617
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: if you don't go in on I recommend a monthly

618
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 5: basis and check your privacy settings, they may very well

619
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: be different than what you yourself set them at. So,

620
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: for example, on Facebook, I have it set to privacy

621
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: so that if someone tries to tag me in a photo,

622
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: that is, we take a group photo here and you

623
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: go and post it on Facebook and my face Facebook

624
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 5: recognizes because of their facial recognition software, which is as

625
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: sophisticated in law enforcement in this world, then they can

626
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: I can be tagged and people can look to see

627
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: where else I appear in with other photos that might

628
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 5: be my own personal photos. So you have to set

629
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 5: that up. I have it set up so that if

630
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 5: someone tries to tag me, I get an email notification

631
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 5: so and so is tagging you?

632
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Is that okay? And of course I always say no

633
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: because I don't want.

634
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: People tracing my social footprint online.

635
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: And the takeaway from that is don't allow your or

636
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: your children's likeness photos to be tagged. The result of

637
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: tagging could be what Adam.

638
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Well, I can stalk you now virtually, so instead of

639
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: being in person, I have to follow you from your

640
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: house to your favorite park to go play where you

641
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: play baseball, and then from there to your favorite convenience

642
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: store to get a drink. Afterwards, I can sit back

643
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: in my home and watch all the places you end

644
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: up in across your town, across your city. I know

645
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: you like to go here, you play here because you've

646
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 3: been tagged by your friends and maybe even other parents

647
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: at a softball game, and so I know, Hey, every

648
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: Sunday you're playing softball here.

649
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: I know.

650
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: So now I know where to come find you, I

651
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: know where to wait.

652
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: And what else you can do is through that that

653
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: person can then friend the mutual friends. And I know

654
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: a lot of kids, and that it'd be adults too,

655
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: who will say oh, while they know this person, then

656
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Speaker 2: I'm going to add them, and kids do that very

657
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: much so so it's a very easy way to get

658
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: kids get to know the kids through their friends and

659
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: more of a SOCIALI I didn't.

660
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard, oh, we're just friends

661
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: on Facebook. They may have never even met in real life,

662
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: but there's a vast network out there who knows where

663
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: you are. And a lot of people think, oh, well,

664
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: so I'm at Disney and I'm taking this picture. Well,

665
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't want the world to know I'm here right now.

666
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: I'll post it tomorrow. Same thing, because that predator has

667
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: already tagged the child. They know the vicinity where you

668
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: are at that moment, or where you were the day before.

669
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Speaker 1: Just let's just say Disney, it's going to go for

670
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: one day when you travel out of town. That's right,

671
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: You're going to be there for several days. That child

672
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: is at Disney now. And it's so important for parents

673
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: to understand.

674
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: I talked to so many parents that say, when I

675
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 5: ask them, how often do you take your child's phone

676
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: and look at it and look at the search historam

677
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: or their iPad?

678
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: So many the.

679
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 5: Majority of parents say never. I wouldn't even know what

680
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 5: to look for. So that's a massive dereliction of prontal

681
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: duty in my opinion, for them not to know exactly

682
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 5: what is happening with their kids on their phone. But

683
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: to children, that is their lifeblood now, that is their

684
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: social network, that is everything. How many people they have,

685
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: what their friends are doing. I'll be watching kids' nieces, nephews,

686
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 5: people that are related to me. They'll be scrolling their

687
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 5: phone and me, what are you doing. I'm just looking

688
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 5: to see whatever he's doing on Instagram.

689
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're.

690
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving dinner and they're looking to see what everybody's doing

691
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: on Instagram because instant gratification, instant social relation is way

692
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: of life.

693
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: Now. Another issue about posting those photos at a later day,

694
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: like the next day, same thing though, because the predator

695
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: sees the soccer field, or sees the overt shop, or

696
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: sees the school playground or the name of the school,

697
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: it takes no time at all to figure out what

698
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: school that is, what insignia that would that stay, and

699
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: then be right there when they get out of school.

700
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: It's just that easy. In your case, in Nicole Lovel's case,

701
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: you're in your home, you're not out taking photos of

702
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: yourself and posting them online. She's in her home, So

703
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: what is the takeaway? How can I fight that whole big.

704
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Thing in the cool levels case? And in so many

705
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: cases of what a predator is looking for is vulnerability,

706
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: and every single person has a vulnerability.

707
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: All had a lot of vulnerabilities. She did. She had

708
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: a climar get very ill as a child. She had

709
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: continuing health issues that she was fighting to.

710
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: The large scar in her neck which she had been

711
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: bullied for. She had been through had been.

712
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: Bullied for that scar. A Lott saved your life, by

713
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: the way, but still and then.

714
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: This order he's an adult, but he's eighteen, he's an

715
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: older boy, comes along, he's in college and says you're beautiful,

716
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: You're perfect, and feeds thys in securities.

717
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: She told her they were going to get married and

718
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: have a family. According to her, that's what she told

719
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: a little friend before she was murdered.

720
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: And she was so young when she slipped out away,

721
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: when she slipped out, she took her water bottle and

722
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: her minion blanket, which I think is paints such a

723
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: picture a minion line of how vulnerable and how innocent

724
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: and sweet this little girl was, and how desperate she was.

725
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: And your family can love you and do everything right,

726
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: but sometimes that isn't enough for kids. They want that

727
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: other attention.

728
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Speaker 1: I say, the only protection takeaway that I can can divult,

729
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: that I can discern right now is parental control. Now,

730
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: in your case, the internet, this was all just a

731
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: new and fascinating thing, but now we have a better

732
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: idea of how to combat with I have to.

733
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: Invade your child's privacy, and people go, what, that's really uncomfortable.

734
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: But I don't really have a problem with that, thank you.

735
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: Because I tell parents monitor the activity, don't do it,

736
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: and say, wow, you did this, let's talk about it.

737
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: It's not about that. Kids are supposed to make mistakes.

738
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: They're supposed to live their lives. But if something does

739
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: go wrong, if they're being bullied, if they're being sexually exploited,

740
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: if they're being lured, you can be on top of that.

741
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: You just says something very important, being bullied online. I

742
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. I'm glad you brought that up. Alisha.

743
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Alisha not just a survivor, an abduction survivor, but now

744
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: an advocate and the inspiration for Alicia's Law. I want

745
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: to talk about Megan Meyer, beautiful little girl bullied in

746
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: it a horrific scenario. I could have even made that up.

747
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Who ultimately died? Who committed suicide because of cyber bullying?

748
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with that case?

749
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's all too common now. We see this a lot.

750
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 5: We see children being cyber bullied and as young as

751
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 5: eight years old making their lives. And the problem with

752
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: it is what we've already talked about. These children are

753
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 5: being cyber bullied. It's not like when we were growing up.

754
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you have the online bullying and then

755
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: you have deception behind it. And so this is a

756
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: story of a thirteen fourteen year old teenager who has

757
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: got some self esteem issue. She recently lost her sorry

758
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: about her weight.

759
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: A thirteen year old girl, Megan was worried about her

760
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: weight and she had a falling out an argument with

761
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: a little friend of school. The friend's mother decided to

762
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: intervene and posed as a sixteen year old attractive young boy, Josh,

763
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: becomes her friend online and then it turns what happened

764
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: at him.

765
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Speaker 3: So you have another grown adult mother who creates this

766
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: artificial profile and by all accounts for a revenge of

767
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: this bawling out with with her daughter and her friend

768
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 3: and overwheets becomes this online relationship, this trusted person, the friend,

769
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Speaker 3: Josh Josh. And then we see to quote, the world

770
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: would be a better place without you. Out of the blue.

771
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't they gotten in some sort of argument. By

772
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: all accounts, it looks like everything was fine, and now

773
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: the world would be a better place without you.

774
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Josh did something else. He took their flirting messages where

775
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: she would talk back to him and open up to him,

776
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: and shared them with a lot of other people online,

777
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: and then they all started bullying her. Now, remember, Josh

778
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: is not real, fancy Josh is this other little girl's mother.

779
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 5: She's a grown woman. And that's why this kind of

780
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 5: cyber bullying is so insidious today in a different way

781
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 5: than bullying was in the past. Because Megan would have

782
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: believed her whole world hates her. People are liking it,

783
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: people are sharing it. What that means is nobody likes her.

784
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: Everybody hates you. She doesn't want to live anymore. She

785
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 5: cannot get away from it because kids can't get away

786
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: from their phones.

787
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: It is her whole way, it's her whole world. Her

788
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: world is it really is her entire world. It's everybody

789
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: she knows is suddenly attacking.

790
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Her, making fun of her, belittling her, mocking her for

791
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: some of the horrible person she is. Her family has no

792
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: idea all this is going on. They see their little

793
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: girl getting more and more and more depressed until she

794
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: kills herself. After this grown woman posing as a little

795
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: boy says, you know what, we don't all just be

796
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: better off if you were dead, Go kill yourself.

797
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: And Nancy, I guarantee you you've had people tell you

798
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: that online.

799
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: I have people don't like what you.

800
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 5: Say or how you say it. They don't like how

801
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: you look or or what you're doing with your hair today.

802
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: We get that online, but we're grown ups and we

803
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 5: can deal with it. Teenage girls and boys, it's their

804
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 5: whole life. They don't see a way out. And that's

805
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: why it's so important for parents to know what is

806
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 5: happening in their child's online world. You may have to

807
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 5: know Alicia.

808
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: What is Alicia's Law?

809
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: Alicia's Law is a great tool to help fight this

810
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: issue in a way that really works. Alicia's Law is

811
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: my namesake, and it has passed in eleven states. We're

812
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: working and passing it at all fifty, but it definitely

813
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: takes time. At some point between my rescue and the trial,

814
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: law enforcement came to my house and they said, we

815
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: need you to identify yourself in something. Didn't know what

816
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: that meant, didn't really ask, and they said my parents

817
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: had to leave because if they saw it, they could

818
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: arrest them. Essentially, they sat down, they opened up a computer,

819
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: and on this computer, there I was, with my hands

820
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: bound above my head, crying, bleeding, begging, completely broken and

821
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: being tortured. And I had been told that I was

822
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: rescued because he was live streaming what he was doing

823
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 2: and somebody was able to recognize my missing poster and

824
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: tie it to the little girl in this horrendous video.

825
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: But I never really put together what that meant. And

826
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: so I know what it's like to be sexually exploited online.

827
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: And that's what Alicia's Law really fights. It helps the

828
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: fund the Internet Crimes against Hilden task forces, who are

829
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: so overwhelmed and underfunded. Some states don't even have one

830
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: full time officer investigating Internet crimes against children, not one

831
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: full time, and so it provides training resources boots on

832
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: the ground by creating a dedicated revenue stream that goes

833
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: directly to them. Now, if you go to my website

834
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: or you look online, there's a map of the United States,

835
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: and this map is blanketed in these little red dots.

836
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: And what these red dots signify are clusters of computers

837
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: that are uploading, downloading, and trading graphics statistic child pornography,

838
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: which is a term I don't think that's a fitting term.

839
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Pornography has an error of consent. That's not what this is.

840
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: This is crime scene images. On this map, fifty five

841
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: percent of these dots, over half are hands on a fender,

842
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: hand on fenders with a local child victim. That means

843
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: that they're not people who are only watching it, they're

844
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: creating the content. Law enforcement doesn't have enough resources to

845
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: go and save these children, and that's Releasius law provides.

846
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: I work on Alicia's Law with a group called Protect.

847
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: This group is amazing. What they do is they don't

848
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: just talk about issues, they actually go out and effect change.

849
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: And that's what we're doing together.

850
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: The live streaming is really what got them.

851
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: Caught absolutely, and in cases like that, there's these collections

852
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: where predators will collect. The most popular case where there's

853
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: the most videos and most graphic whatever it may be.

854
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: And when I was I think it was about sixteen,

855
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: they came to the house and they had me sign

856
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: a paper to say that if this ever showed up

857
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: in a court case, they would alert me. And then

858
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: I designed it again when I was eighteen, and thankfully

859
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: I never got one of those notices. But there's people

860
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: who get them nearly every day that their image has

861
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: been shared and people are still looking at it in

862
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: other cases, and many of these people are now adults.

863
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: And to be taken back to that horrible place and

864
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 2: to know that people are watching this torture because they

865
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: enjoy it. To see to be abused as one thing,

866
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: but to see it through the eyes of your abuser

867
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: and to know that there's people out there who are

868
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 2: enjoying it is disgusting. And this is happening. When people

869
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: think of this, they often tie it to my case

870
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: and they think, Okay, well, these are just kidnapped kids,

871
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: and no, that's not really the case at all. Some

872
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: of them, yes, absolutely, but over ninety percent of these

873
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: cases are done by those who are the family members

874
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: and the neighbors. That's who this is. These are the

875
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: people who go to school with your children or in

876
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: your neighborhood running around. These are real people in the

877
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: houses in the neighborhoods that you live in, and we

878
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: have to stop them. This is not something we can

879
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: push under the rug. Yes it's hard to talk about.

880
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: Yes it's nasty, Yes it's uncomfortable. It doesn't matter. It

881
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: won't go away just because we don't talk about it.

882
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: That was a lot of information to take in. Let's

883
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: boil it down, okay. Tips to cyber safety. Talk to

884
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: your children about dangers that come with oversharing on social media.

885
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Even seemingly harmless information like your interests like your guinea pigs,

886
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: your kiddy cats, Fortnite or Minecraft. Grooming by these predators

887
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: takes place over months, so be careful about who your

888
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: child is talking to online. Any childer team can become

889
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: the victim of a predator online. They do not discriminate

890
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: based on gender, ethnicity, education, socioeconomic status, income, religion. Teach

891
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: your childer team to never share private info or identify

892
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: info like a name, an address, their school, their soccer field,

893
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: with a person online that is not known or is

894
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: not trusted in real life. A predator uses this information

895
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: to groom and locate your child or teen. Be careful

896
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: what information they share about their interests, their home life,

897
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: and more which can be used against them by a predator.

898
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: And remind your child or your teen to choose an

899
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: online handle or a user name a screen name carefully.

900
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: So much can be inferred from how your child or

901
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: teen represents themselves online, and that very handle can prompt

902
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: a predator's initial contact. Predators learn from the chats and

903
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: the information your children share. Remember, children can be exploited

904
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: or even blackmailed, often sexually, by a p who gets

905
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: access to embarrassing information or secrets that your child or

906
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: team could just hand over. Handing over even one photo

907
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: gives that predator leverage. Don't give a predator that opening.

908
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: Don't let their toe in the door. Only friend people

909
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: you actually know. Don't friend people that are friends of

910
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: friends of friends. Very important, disable geo tagging on all

911
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: your mobile devices. It has the ability to automatically pinpoint

912
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: and disclose your child's exact location. Now that option is

913
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: found under settings on most devices. You can also contact

914
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: your service provider or a device manufacturer you can find

915
00:49:53,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: that online. Discuss the dangers of checking in various applications

916
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: that allow your child or team to share their location

917
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: on social media sites. Strengthen the privacy settings on all

918
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: social networking sites. Ensure these settings remain unchanged after you

919
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: do those automatic updates. Social networking sites often publish posts

920
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: as public based on your default settings. Monitor your child's

921
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: activity on the computer and all mobile devices desktops, laptops, tablets,

922
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: cell phones, handheld video game devices with online connectivity. There

923
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: are numerous parental monitoring options available online or through your

924
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: service provider. Don't feel like your spye on your child

925
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: or team. You're the parent. This is your responsibility. Know

926
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: the passwords on all the devices used by your child

927
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: or teen and check them. If you suspect your child

928
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: a teen is being cyberbullied. Be supportive to your child.

929
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: Don't make them feel worse than they already do. Gently,

930
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: get the facts, and if necessary, contact the school or

931
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Teach your child or teen that there are

932
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: negative consequences for cyberbullies. Cyberbullying tips for kids. Always think

933
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: about what you post. You never know what someone can forward,

934
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Being kind to others online

935
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: will help keep you safe. Don't share anything that could

936
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: hurt or embarrass anybody. Keep your password a secret, even

937
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: from other kids. Even kids that seem like your friends

938
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: could unwittingly give that password away or use it in

939
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: ways you don't want. You always have your children's passwords.

940
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: That's got to be a condition on them having an

941
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: iPad or a cell phone. Think about who sees what

942
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: you post online. Strangers, friends, friends of friends, privacy settings,

943
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: or for that very reason, they control who sees what.

944
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: Parents must be in the loop. You, as a parent,

945
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: must know what your children are doing online and who

946
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: they're doing it with. You must friend or follow your child.

947
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: You lay down the law about what is and is

948
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: not okay to do online. Reinforce, remind them you love

949
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: them and you want them safe. They must feel free

950
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: and open to talk to you about messages they get

951
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: or things they see online that gets them worried, sad

952
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: or scared. You must report cyberbullying, but you'll only find

953
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: out about it if they tell you.