WEBVTT - RIP Nora Ephron You Would Have Loved Felching 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.840 Let me go to the controversy section of Nora Ephron's 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:11.880 Wikipedia page. Actually there is none. I see no controversy section. Okay, great, 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:21.440 unproblematic queen. Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.840 we get yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm ros Damnue 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.280 and I'm fran Dorato, and we hope you had a 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:35.040 lovely Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day, however you celebrated. Um, we 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:40.280 are jumping right into things this week. No news because 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.520 you know, we were too busy, I don't know. Sucking 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.159 and fucking and eating chocolate or whatever. Those are the 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.800 things that people do on Valentine's Day, right They eat chocolate? Yeah, exactly, 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.120 And watch the Fifty Shades of Great trilogy and its entirety, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.200 which is what we covered last year for Valentine's Day. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.480 So go back listened to those episodes if you are 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:09.160 feeling spicy. But this week we are also talking about, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.199 you know, someone who is very prolific when it came 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:17.600 to romance, but from a slightly different perspective, slightly This 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.559 week we're talking all about nor Fron, the prolific writer 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:27.399 director of such films as When Harry met Sally sleep 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.520 List in Seattle. You've got mailed Julie and Julia and 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.680 Queen of the rom com and as Fran just learned, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.000 and as I learned ten minutes before that from looking 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.039 at her Wikipedia. She also co wrote Silkwood, which neither 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.840 of us have seen. Neither of us has have seen, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.320 despite me being a devout share stand um, I've heard 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.760 it's actually good and Share plays a lesbian. There was 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.160 also a really great documentary about nor eron Um on 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.920 HBO a couple of years ago called Everything Is Copy, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.440 which I did walk but don't remember a lot of Fran. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.720 You you have claimed that you remember more of it. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.280 So do you want to start off by giving a 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:13.600 little context about who Nora Ephron was? Sure? So, Nora 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.919 Efron is, you know, one of the better Neppo babies 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.120 in our Neppo baby cinematic universe. Her parents were screenwriters, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.519 and she I think pretty quickly got into making films 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:33.520 UM after having a extremely prolific career as a magazine writer. Essentially, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.440 so her work as an essayist was like immediately profound, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.320 recognizable something that everyone saw after UM, and she did 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.640 it by simply like kind of captivating the world with 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.360 her own voice. And I think you see a Nora 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.360 Fron voice in her movies. Right, It's very like conversational. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.400 It's from the first person perspective. It's like blunt and 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.799 funny and sometimes mean. And I think like sooner rather 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.200 than later, as she sort of took up this residency 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.760 at Esquire at a time when there weren't very many 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.840 like women writing for magazines, let alone for Esquire, she 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.480 kind of just became this like thought leader, like a 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.160 kind of socialite thought leader like um, if not intellectual, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.919 that people were who were looking for and like looking 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.359 toward to like cultivate the culture. Like she was kind 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.000 of famous while she was alive. She was the Tolentino 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.080 of her time. She was she kind of she kind 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.960 of was. And it's funny like I actually, you know, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.680 I haven't read like a ton of Nora Frans essays 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.960 and didn't buy like a compilation of her work when 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.880 she died or things like that. I actually only know 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.400 her from her movies, and I think that I personally 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:53.840 didn't know the life that she had outside of movies. Right. Um, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.720 it's also so romantic, grows like so romantic compared to 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.480 like our experience in magazines, like you know, Nora Fron 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.040 was writing alongside like Gay Tolles and like that old 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.520 school generation of writers when like they would get paid 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:12.320 thousands and thousands of dollars to write one story totally yeah, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.920 and that one story they would have like three months 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.320 to finish. You know, this was a different This was 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:21.479 sort of closer to Carrie Bradshaw's type of journalism. You 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.440 could where you could have a weekly column that kept 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.080 you in Manila obloics and you know, or Eron had 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.320 an even more idyllic version of that going on, not 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.839 like us where we were writing you know, like click 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:42.120 bait about Javins, nail polish, Yeah, no, no health insurance, freelancing, begging, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.680 begging editors to give us like two fifty dollars to 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.200 write like a four thousand word essay, Um that to 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.680 do in two days. Um yeah. It's it's really definitely 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.080 a more romantic version of like what it meant to 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.800 be a writer before the Internet age. Um yeah. But 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.600 those are kind of I think the background things that 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.640 are important to know. Um As she kind of went 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.400 into her film career and became like the filmmaker nor 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.880 Efron as opposed to just the writer nor efron Um. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.880 What about nor Effron, I guess, like, do you have 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.640 like a favorite movie of hers? Yes, And I have 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.160 argued about this with with my mother fairly recently. I 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.600 do think so. According to my mom, she thinks When 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.679 Harry Met Sally is the best romantic comedy ever made, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:37.640 and I slightly disagree with that, and I think that 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.600 of her movies, You've Got Male is definitely my favorite 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:48.000 and part of the reason why I am drawn to 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.520 that as opposed to When Harry Met Sally. Even though 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.600 I love When Harry Met Sally. It's a fantastic movie. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.320 But When Harry Met Sally nor efron wrote it, but 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.080 she didn't directed it, and she wrote and directed You've 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.560 Got Mail because she did. She didn't make her directorial 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.080 debut until with This Is My Life, and then for 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.760 the most part, she directed all of her movies, and 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.839 she co wrote most of her films with her sister 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:21.280 Deelia fron Um. But I think, like, obviously it does 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.240 kind of make sense that When Harry Met Sally is 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.040 written by a woman directed by a man, because like 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.960 literally the basis of the film is this question of 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.640 can men and women ever really be friends. But I 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.120 definitely preferred later in her career, when Nora Ephron was 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.440 writing and directing all of her films because they feel 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:45.240 so much more her vision in totality. Um, and I 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.960 think that's what I respond to. And I do think 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:53.679 You've Got Mailed is just a perfect romantic comedy. I agree. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.039 I I honestly wish I had ranked, like thought to 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.279 like rank the Nora Evon movies that I had, but 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.880 I'm pretty sure that that is my favorite too. I 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.360 love when Harry met Sally. I think like it is something. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.520 It's a movie that like sweeps you off your feet 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.640 in a way that her other films don't. But it's 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.800 it's an amazing well both both it and You've Got 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.120 My Little amazing New York movies. Yeah, they are their 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.040 love letters to New York. And like Nora Afron was 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.080 a kind of classic new Yorker, like even her writing 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.960 style like sounds like New York, like her literal voice, 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:35.000 the infectiousness of her voice like sounds like what New 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.600 York sounds like. Is that corny to say? No, I 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.400 think it's true when Harry met Sally also has this 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.840 quality that's like I think if you simplified it, like 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.560 it could be a play. It could be a play 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.400 about these two couples. Because it is kind of about 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.320 you know, Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal and then Carrie 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.360 Fisher and whoever the guy is that she ends up dating. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.920 There is something um like theatrical about it. But then 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.000 obviously like it's a much bigger story than that. I 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.600 I rewatched it last year because I was watching a 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.360 lot of rom coms last summer and it's it's such 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.960 a great movie. And like, obviously the thing everyone remembers 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.800 from when Harry met Sally is the I'll have what 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.920 She's having orgasm moment in Katz's Deli. But it's just 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.160 it's so clever, and so much of the cleverness is 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.720 in the writing, the specificity of the jokes. Um. How 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:36.080 actually like heartfelt it is? Um And of course you know, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.199 the performances are amazing. I'm not like the biggest Billy 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.559 Crystal fan, although I do love City Slickers Billy Crystal 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:50.680 hot in this movie, Um, he's not hot, but he 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.240 there is that image of him in like the chunky 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:59.559 cabled its sweater that always gets tweeted like in The Fall. Um, 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.840 you know, because it's very autumnal. It's well, it's a 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.400 very well, it's not a Thanksgiving movie, but it's a 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.839 very autumnal movie because the main action of the movie 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.040 kind of takes place from like summer to New Year's Eve, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.559 which is when the movie ends. So it's it's super 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.439 autumn in New York, which I love. Which also I mean, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.440 we'll get to You've Got Mail later, I think, but 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.319 You've Got Mail also has a very big autumnal quality 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.720 to it, although I think it's more of a spring movie. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.319 Are all of her movies automn movies honestly, are anything 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.480 that Thanksgiving movie? To you? It was just like, yess 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.439 a Thanksgiving movie. I mean Sleepless in Seattle, I guess 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.960 is a little more winter. It's a little more winter. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.520 I actually have only seen that movie once. Um, but yeah, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:56.720 I gosh, I feel like I want to be Nora 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.760 f Fron. Is that like something that every does every 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.760 right or want to be nor every And it feels 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.439 like very natural to like want the trajectory and the 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:10.320 success and the kind of cool girl factor that she had, 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.640 Like it's I think, so I think a lot of 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:18.240 our friends who are writers are aiming for that kind 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.319 of trajectory because, you know, the I I think, not 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.600 knowing a lot about her life, I would imagine that 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.360 a big part of what launched her was the second 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.480 movie she ever wrote was Heartburn, which was adapted from 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.079 her novel of the same name, which was like a 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.840 sort of auto fiction novel based on her own divorce 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.800 when I think her husband cheated on her. Um. I 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.760 recently gifted the novel to my grandma for her birthday. UM, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.480 maybe I should read it too, and she and I 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.480 can have a little book club moment. But it does 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.360 feel like so many of our friends who are writers, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.080 so many people of our generation, especially people who come 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.559 from journalism, that is how they launched their careers. They 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.559 write memoirs, or they right sort of auto fiction e novels, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.840 and then maybe those get like adapted or like get 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.400 like you know, huge like buzzy you know, internet success, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.160 and then from there they go on and either like 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.920 write more novels or move into TV and film. Um. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.760 And you know, that is kind of the north Front path. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.400 It really is, especially when you're a Neppo baby. UM. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.880 I God, I wish my parents were screenwriters. That would 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.880 have been so much easier, right do you think? Okay, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.360 let's let's answer the question of when Harry met Sally, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:41.600 do you think women and men can be friends? I 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.920 mean she also didn't and she also didn't take non 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.520 binary people into accounts, and when I was a man, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:55.960 we were friends. M I feel like, um, honestly, I'm 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.920 literally I'm literally assessing the question. I'm literally as set 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.960 saying the question. Well, no, it's a very it's obviously 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:08.400 a question from you know, the gaze of the hetero patriarchy. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.920 Oh see, yeah, Okay, wait what do you mean by that? 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.960 Because I'm like trying to evaluate it from like a 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:17.479 heterosexual person in the nineties perspective, like Ken, well, not nineties, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.080 this was in this Yeah, it was really the eighties. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.480 So yes, if you're thinking about if you're a straight 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.560 woman in the eighties, can women and men be friends? 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.800 I guess is like a more real question. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:37.040 exactly from the lens of today, Like obviously yes, but 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.320 as Phoebe you just said in the chat, why would 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.000 she be friends with a man? She spilled you know, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.800 it's funny because like Nora Fron was like a bit 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.760 of a quote unquote feminist icon. I and you do 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.520 feel like feminism imbued in her work, especially in like 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.680 a line like that, can heterosexual men and women women 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.440 be friends? I honestly can't think of a single example. Well, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.559 I think the thing is that straight guys are always 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:07.440 trying to fuck literally everyone every woman around them. So 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:15.600 maybe from the woman's perspective, um, how is her work feminist? Her? Her? 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:21.520 She always writes these strong characters, these strong women, characters 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.920 that don't give a fun I'm not talking about I 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.400 don't think she was acclaimed as a feminist because of 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.280 her um screenwriting work. I think that by the time 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.160 she was writing for Esquire. So when she when she 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.160 was invited to write for Esquire, which at this point 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.360 in her career, she her her writing was already taking off. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.080 They were like, what do you want to write about? 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.640 You can write about anything you want, which is like 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.720 an offer that like every writer would dream of from 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.839 the editor and Esquire. And she was like, I want 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.000 to write about women. And so she spent the whole 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.800 time writing from a women's perspective about women for men 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.119 in a way that I think is like kind of profound, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.440 and and and her angle, like when she was um, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.640 when she was on this like cusp of like whatever 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.280 wave of feminism was happening at this time, with like 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.360 glorious with Gloria Steinham literally like she was like one 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.440 of Gloria Stadiams peers um. I think she felt like 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.160 feminist discourse at the time was like so unfun right. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.640 She was like, no one is like willing to self critique, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.520 no one's having any fun with it, no one is 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.640 being honest, like, no one is like kind of no 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.720 one's taking it there like I'm going to take it 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:38.640 there with feminist writing. And I think that her bluntness 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.800 and her willingness to say like yeah, like I like, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.800 what's a stupid examples like she wrote this like this 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.080 this story about breasts and how women always want their 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.080 breasts to be bigger and like what's in what how? How? Um? 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.080 Yes exactly exactly as we pull out our heads like 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.320 and and she would write about like, oh yeah, like 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.320 I want my breast to be bigger, as does that 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.440 not make me a feminist? And like why are women 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.280 so insecure about hers? She was writing about insecurities a 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.160 lot of the time. I think you see that in 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.520 her films. I think I think you see that in 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840 her essays. It's like kind of in her personality. She's 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.560 not afraid to self deprecate and to acknowledge her shortcomings 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.200 and to and to say like, yeah, like you know, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.720 I want X, Y and Z. That might be superficial, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.560 but this is what I want. And I think that 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.200 at the time, especially when you're in the middle of 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.720 movement work, you don't really want to acknowledge all your 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.640 flaws along with it. You don't want to add that 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.760 kind of nuance. And she did, right, she was like, 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.800 this is everything else we're bringing to feminism. Um, I 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.520 think I honestly like, that's just my guess. You you asked, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.360 You asked the question, and I think that's kind of 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:49.960 how I understood it. I wonder what, I think it's 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:55.240 better if we don't know. I kind of yeah, I 0:15:55.600 --> 0:16:17.840 kind of thinking she might be in in you know, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.480 moving forward in her career, the next big film and 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.880 probably the thing that put her on the map as 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.600 as a filmmaker as well as a writer. Um with 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.280 Sleepless in Seattle, which probably for most people is like 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:39.000 the romantic comedy. Like I think when you talk about 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:43.640 the lexicon of romantic comedies, Sleepless in Seattle looms larger 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.240 than any although for me, I don't think it would 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.360 even be in my top five, maybe not in my 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.360 top ten. What top ten nor Aron movies? No, I'm 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.600 talking top ten romantic comedies. Oh, I was talking about 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.680 Nora Afron movies. Yeah, I would not be in my 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.440 act sual romcom ranking. You know, Sleepless in Seattle is 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.000 a great movie. I love the Rose O'donald's in it. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.440 Um for anyone who you know has never seen it, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.400 it's about um, this little boy who like calls into 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.720 a radio show looking for um a woman for his 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:25.520 dad and Meg Ryan looking for a woman. She and 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.679 Tom Hanks fall in love somehow and then meet on 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.000 the umpire state ble to get the end of it. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.760 It's it's It's sorry. This is the only thing I'm 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.080 contributing to the conversation. You want Tom Hanks's load in 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.280 this movie, right, like this is one where you are 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.720 Tom Hanks, Um, not not in this movie the movie 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.240 that I want Tom Hanks's load in Splash One of 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:57.159 the Way, which which which for for like a virgin, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.600 for like a virgin lore Splash was one of the 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.800 things that made us want to do this podcast, and 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:10.640 we recorded this test episode talking about Splash because we 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.879 went on we went on a vacation to Joshua Treat, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.080 but it actually was sort of like a retreat to 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.399 like basically blot out on the deck of this podcast 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.760 and an excuse for us to write it off. Yes, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.879 and Splash is one of my favorite movies, one of 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.600 my favorite rom coms, and Norah Fron famously wrote and 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.840 directed Splash. Well you know where Nora Efron is the 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.960 seed of this episode, but it's talking into a beautiful 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:44.880 garden that is more generally about and Splash is a 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.639 great romantic comedy starring Daryl Hannah and a young hot 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.760 Tom Hanks. Load. I remember if I remember his butt. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.600 I remember you pointing out his butt and being like, 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.320 look at his butt, and I was like, WHOA. I 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.119 actually did not expect that from Tom Hanks. It was 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.760 a bit of a dump truck. It's a it's a 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.680 very horny movie that he and Darryl Hammon has a 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.119 lot of something that's so baffling. He loves having sex 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.840 with her so much that he locks her inside of 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.040 like a hotel room or something like that. Doesn't he 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.680 lock the mermaid inside a room He like literally holds 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.240 her captive so he can fuck her. But that's not 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.240 how it's. It's it's some weird. It's some weird vibes. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:33.720 That also also it stars a young Eugene Levy. No 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:40.119 Eugene Levy would get you his nose. It's about the nose. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.520 Um wait, okay, that's some pretty good lore. Actually, like 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.960 wasn't I think the first things we ever watched were 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:53.639 Splash and then I think, oh my god, to a 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.560 Mrs Doubtfire episode because you know, it's one of my 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:02.320 favorite films. Okay, okay, okay, are there any other? So 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.440 there are fast forwarding a little further in in nor 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:11.360 Fron's career. Um is You've Got Mail in my favorite 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:16.879 of her films and definitely up in my like top 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.399 five romantic comedies of all time. Um it is a 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.680 for anyone who doesn't know and if you have never 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.760 seen You've Got Mail, I like literally can't believe you're 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:31.320 listening to this podcast. Um it's. It stars Meg Brian 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.479 as the owner of a charming little children's bookstore on 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:40.320 the Upper West Side, and she is um sort of 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.480 priced out of the neighborhood because a big bookstore, UM, 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.720 like a sort of Barnes Noble type store that is 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:53.080 run by Tom Hanks moves into the neighborhood and they 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:58.320 are secretly Internet pen pals and fall in love and 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:04.600 it is just the sweetest, funniest but also kind of mean, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:10.879 like most New York and like specifically Upper West Side 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:16.879 ass romantic comedy. It's so nineties, but like turn of 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.359 the century nineties because of the A O L of 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.080 it all. Parker Posey is in it, UM and she's incredible. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.680 Greg Kneer isn't it He's Meg Ryan's boyfriend at the beginning. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:36.639 Dave Chappelle is in it. Dave Chappelle, Um, this movie 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:42.440 like captures like um. This this extremely specific era of 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.480 at least our lives like this generation's lives were. Then 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:51.480 the internet felt so new and scary and thrilling, like 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:56.520 like this. Sending your first emails like that was such 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.280 a Do you remember what they felt like? Do you 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.359 ever any idea what first email was or like, what 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.879 your first incidence is, what message was? No, but I 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.520 do have a lot. I have so many memories of 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:11.080 logging onto a O. L. And specifically to read fand fiction. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:17.360 You know. This was so um, this was such an 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:22.679 important time for the formation of almost everything about my identity. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.320 One of the few things that I can remember are 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.280 I remember having a girlfriend at the time. Her name 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.600 was Katie Crow. I was in seventh grade. I remember 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.160 chatting with her over email and writing like cute emails 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.480 to each other back and forth. And I remember taking 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:45.680 forever to decide the font and font color of my 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.480 you know, and the background color, which was usually a 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.520 cloudy rainbow, which yeah, I think that, like that was 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.119 the thing that like I obsessed over. I was like, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.120 what the fund is the font? And this was this 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.720 was the time of you know, children, our little gen 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.320 Z listeners if you exist, you know, this was the 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.520 time when you had one family computer that everyone shared. 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:12.040 Mine was our our house that we lived and had 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.919 an enclosed patio in the back and that's where the 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.199 computer was. And I would go out there like early 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.959 in the morning so I could log onto a well 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:31.080 and ten minutes later once I was finally online. After that, um, 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.280 then I would you know, read my little Buffy fan 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:39.760 fictions and stuff, um and chat with probably like you know, 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.399 fifty year old men who wanted to murder me and 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.080 you were just a little girl. It was just a 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:51.800 little quote unquote girl. Um yeah, I god, I just 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.560 I I miss when the Internet was like at this 0:23:54.680 --> 0:24:00.840 cusp um, I do you so long to do anything? Yeah, 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.199 But like our brains were better, Our brains were like 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:08.880 Nora Afron, that's honestly, like when I was exactly no, truly, 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.280 like are the Internet ruined our brains? That? I think honestly, 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.679 there's something a little nostalgic about It's so weird to 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.600 be nostalgic for a period that like we lived through. 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.679 But there is a nostalgia to the kind of cinematic 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:26.600 universe of Nora Afron's characters and this kind of pre 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:31.080 Internet purity that oh god, yeah, I'm just jealous of. 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.600 I like I missed that. I missed when writers didn't 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.760 have to write about the Internet. Like now that we're 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.960 in this like era of like work, like we can't 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:44.000 really have any of our conversations without acknowledging how social 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.840 media is influencing them or maybe like that it's like 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.479 about social media or like about some viral trend in 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.879 some way, And I don't know, I missed this like 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:58.240 kind of cuspol analog time. Um, it is nice to 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.679 think about the Internet being something that you had to work, 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.560 that you had to work for, that you had to 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.359 put an effort to access, and that was actually a 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.560 barrier of entry for a lot of people. And I'm 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.320 sure at the time this movie came out, UM, this 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.879 was very much a novelty UM using the Internet in 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.639 this way. And like it makes sense that these the 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.840 leads of this film were like coastal elites, like you know, 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:31.120 sort of like intellectual like book people, um, who were 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.080 falling in love online. UM. But also I don't know, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.800 like the idea of love letters and like, um, you 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.960 know mistaken identities is so romantic. But I do think 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:49.160