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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. Well, if you've listened to us long enough,

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Speaker 1: you know our affinity for Vance Joseph. He gets it.

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Speaker 1: He makes football simple to understand, and the game is

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Speaker 1: anything but simple. Coach Joseph is a big part of

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Speaker 1: today's show, as he addressed the media earlier. Our first

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Speaker 1: chance to hear from the Cardinals defensive coordinator this offseason,

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Speaker 1: at least in a press conference setting. So there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to cover. JJ Watt, Zavian Collins, your two Frisaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: and just how comfortable is Coach Joseph with a depth

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Speaker 1: at cornerback. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four thirty, and

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Speaker 1: it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig

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Speaker 1: off to the touchdown. Here's Craig Grielou and Mike Jarecki. So,

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Speaker 1: MJ noen, we were going to hear from Vance Joseph.

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Speaker 1: I paid a bit more attention to the defense on

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Speaker 1: day two of Mini Camps, specifically defensive line drills at

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Speaker 1: practice and one. This is the one drill based off

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Speaker 1: of where they allowed the media to stand and watch

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Speaker 1: that we perhaps maybe get the closest to any of

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Speaker 1: these drills any of these players. So one just the

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Speaker 1: a Lucky Foe. Two and then the constant back and

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Speaker 1: forth and the coaching from Brentson Buckner. But it was

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Speaker 1: interesting because these guys, again it's not a long time,

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Speaker 1: but they have as much fun as possible in those

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Speaker 1: sixty to seventy five minutes. And during this drill they

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Speaker 1: are hitting the sled and one of the paddings broke off,

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Speaker 1: So you heard, too strong. We're just too strong for

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Speaker 1: this drill. We're just too strong. And then there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth and John and a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff. And I know you were out

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Speaker 1: But I really like this defensive line group and like

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Speaker 1: the fact that they all seem to get along because

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Speaker 1: that's half the battle out there, and you look at it.

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Speaker 1: Who's starting every drill when it comes to the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: J J. Watt. That's just what he commands. He can.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he commands the huddle, he commands respect, He

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Speaker 1: does it the right way. He's just an ultimate pro.

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Speaker 1: I mean everything you hear is what he did in

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Speaker 1: because I think he's, you know, hit the reset button

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Speaker 1: They're not worning pads, but there's a lot of chemistry

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Speaker 1: and that's something you really like to see when you

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Speaker 1: this sled and try to get that bell, if you will,

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Speaker 1: to ring, and by the bell, I mean when that

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that's going to go on game day.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, well, let's go back to when the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: player that has zero experience in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Get here you are given the keys of the defense

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Speaker 1: that has a lot of veteran talents a jj Watta,

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Buddha Baker, Malcolm Butler, and your task with

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Speaker 1: getting these players the play call and then putting them

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Speaker 1: in the correct spots for that particular play. And according

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Speaker 1: to coach Joseph, Collins is ready for it. He is

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Speaker 1: doing everything in his power to make sure he is

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Speaker 1: ready for that Week one contest at Tennessee. But there

436
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Speaker 1: are going to be mistakes made, and I think we

437
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Speaker 1: have to be clear about that Burg game and expect it.

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Speaker 1: It is not going to be perfect. And that goes

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Speaker 1: for any rookie at any position. Heck, if you had

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Speaker 1: a veteran at inside linebacker or at all eleven positions,

441
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Speaker 1: mistakes are going to be made. One don't make the

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Speaker 1: same mistake twice. To learn from that mistake and use

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Speaker 1: it as a learning tool to get better. And I

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Speaker 1: think that was the point coach Joseph was making when

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Speaker 1: he brought up vans Well when he brought up excuse me,

446
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Speaker 1: Zavian Collins on how he is handling being that face

447
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Speaker 1: or that voice of the defense. And he also admitted

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Speaker 1: when he makes a mistake, he takes responsibility and that's

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Speaker 1: going to go along with the veterans because again, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: he's been here a little while now. He said, he

451
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Speaker 1: studies the playbook even when he's away from the facility,

452
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Speaker 1: which is good because you're going to be the captain

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Speaker 1: of the defense. So it's good. When he makes a

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Speaker 1: mistake or maybe he doesn't see something, he corrects it

455
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Speaker 1: and he tells us, you know, it tells us. The

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Speaker 1: other players say, that's on me. So that will go

457
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Speaker 1: a long way. And when it comes to take an

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Speaker 1: accountability and responsibility. And the one concern that I had

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Speaker 1: had when we were talking about putting a rookie in

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Speaker 1: this position as far as trying to be that leader

461
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Speaker 1: if you will, when you have no resume, our guys

462
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Speaker 1: going to pay attention to you as this young kid

463
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Speaker 1: as opposed to a Jordan Hicks who has skin in

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Speaker 1: the game, if you will, And according to Coach Joseph,

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Speaker 1: trust is earned. Yet at the same time, the players

466
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Speaker 1: will follow Zaven Collins, they will understand what he is

467
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Speaker 1: asking of them, and they'll have no trouble buying into

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Speaker 1: what Collins is saying because vance Joseph has made it

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Speaker 1: very clear this Zaven Collins's job this season. Make the calls,

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Speaker 1: play fast, play well. Don't try to be a vocal

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Speaker 1: leader that will come, but be that secondary voice. As

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Speaker 1: far as the coach on the field, take the information

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Speaker 1: that I give you from the sideline, relay it to

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Speaker 1: your teammates, and then go out and do what you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to do. That is his job this season. He

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Speaker 1: also mentioned quote there's gonna be some bad downs which

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Speaker 1: we refer to, yet there's gonna be plays that they

478
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Speaker 1: make others can't. So Collins and Simmons is your job

479
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: is to simplify things mentioned he had similar young players

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Speaker 1: which we didn't know, and that was Patrick Willis and

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Speaker 1: Navarrol Bowman. And we know how they turned out with

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and that was something I had

483
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Speaker 1: to go back and look at because it was only

484
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Speaker 1: for a season. I believe it was twenty ten and

485
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Speaker 1: Joseph was the DB's coach at the time. But he

486
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Speaker 1: does have some experience when you have two young, physical,

487
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Speaker 1: talented inside linebackers that can really carry a defense, and

488
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Speaker 1: we've seen that throughout the league last year Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: We know what the Seahawks have done when you've got

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Speaker 1: those two inside linebackers, and the plan for the Cardinals

491
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Speaker 1: hopefully for the next ten fifteen years is was Zavian

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Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons being those two guys in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the defense kind of controlling everything else. I

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Speaker 1: thought B Train brought up another good one, and that

495
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Speaker 1: was Luke Keakley and Thomas Davis. I mean Luke Keakley,

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Speaker 1: we know every time they played to Cardinals, he knew

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Speaker 1: the player as before, you know, before they snapped the ball.

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Speaker 1: And then he mentioned last year in Tampa Levante David

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Speaker 1: and Devin White. I mean these guys, I mean they

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Speaker 1: were able to get to the quarterback, they were able

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Speaker 1: to stop the run. Of course, it's always good when

502
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Speaker 1: you guys got like Sue and Jpp upfront making plays.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a trend right now. You got to

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Speaker 1: get two studs in the middle that can go from

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Speaker 1: I lined the sideline, they can cover, they can line

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Speaker 1: up in the slot. You know, as Bowman and Willis

507
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Speaker 1: got a little bit older, you know, maybe they relied

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Speaker 1: more on like a hybrid, you know, safety coming play

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Speaker 1: in the box. But it was interesting because every time

510
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Speaker 1: Van says something and you're like, oh, there's a connection there.

511
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Speaker 1: I had no idea that he was there on that

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Speaker 1: staff when those guys were young. When Kane to Patrick Willison,

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Speaker 1: no Vril Bowman quick aside, another connection with coach Joseph

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Speaker 1: And he was asked about Week one against the Titans

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Speaker 1: and Julio Jones, Well, he brings up unprompted Ryan Tannehill

516
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Speaker 1: and spending a season with Tannehill in Miami, and all

517
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, everything is like, literally, it's like Kevin

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Speaker 1: Bacon in Seven Degrees of Separation. Vance Joseph. You start

519
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Speaker 1: with him, and you literally could get to every team,

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Speaker 1: every player in the NFL in the matter of maybe

521
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Speaker 1: three or four moves, and then all of a sudden,

522
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Speaker 1: it just like literally the National Football League revolves around

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph. That's what we're learning here on Cardinals covering.

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Speaker 1: And he said when he was in Miami and he

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Speaker 1: was a rookie, he said, you could see the upside.

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Speaker 1: Now obviously changed the scenery a much different team. He's

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Speaker 1: got weapons, you know, if you want to look at

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Speaker 1: his numbers, and we'll get a chance to do that

529
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Speaker 1: before the game coming up in September. Over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five games. His numbers are very similar

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Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes as far as win loss record, touchdowns,

532
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Speaker 1: win loss completion percentage. He's he's fit well with Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 1: Now dal Logins is going to be the coordinators got

534
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Speaker 1: previous experience. They got a really good physical line, so

535
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Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. There's a reason why that team made a

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Speaker 1: run last year, and unfortunately they came up short. Coach

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Speaker 1: Joseph when he first found out about Julio Jones, now

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Speaker 1: a Tennessee Titan, quote, my first reaction was, wow, we

539
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Speaker 1: got a challenge, And then he explained that he texted

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Speaker 1: the entire coaching staff said, hey, get ready, and I

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Speaker 1: do think this is going to be a motivatation for

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Speaker 1: the entire off season. We've talked about it on previous shows.

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Speaker 1: One it was on the road at a play opponent too,

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Speaker 1: it's Derek Henry, You're the best running back in the league.

545
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Speaker 1: And now three, it's Julio Jones, one of the best

546
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Speaker 1: wide receivers in the game that certainly has the attention

547
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Speaker 1: of the entire defense. Craig so vj said soon as

548
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Speaker 1: the trade went down, he texted all his coaches when

549
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: the trade down went down? Did I text you? Yes?

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Speaker 1: You did? I think everyone had the same thought. What

551
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: did I say? This game got more interesting? And listen,

552
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Speaker 1: this is the NFL. There's no you know, any given Sunday. Yes,

553
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Speaker 1: but this is going to set the tone. Then you

554
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Speaker 1: come back and play the Vikings at home another tough defense.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to. But you could just

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Speaker 1: see when you add a guy like that, it really

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Speaker 1: from an outside standpoint, you know what it means when

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: the Cardinals brought in JJ Watt, What did it do

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Speaker 1: in the community, in the locker room when they made

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00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: the trade for DeAndre Hoppe? You just get this energy

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Speaker 1: and juice and you feel like, you know, we're ready

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Speaker 1: to compete right now, by the way, Bird Gang, if

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Speaker 1: you want to be at State Farm Stadium for that

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Speaker 1: home open or Week two against the Minnesota Vikings, single

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Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium. So we continue here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring it back around to the defense and those

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Speaker 1: two players in the middles, Avin Collins and Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Had a chance earlier to hear from Simmons as he

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Speaker 1: goes into year two, first time we've really had a

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Speaker 1: chance to hear from him since the season ended, and

576
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Speaker 1: talking about his first year one. It was interesting to

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Speaker 1: hear him say how appreciative he was of having an

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Speaker 1: off season after not having one, and how further along

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Speaker 1: he thinks this rookie class, specifically Zavin Collins, is going

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Speaker 1: to be having an off season and then admitting that yes,

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Speaker 1: year one was a struggle for him, not going to

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Speaker 1: make any excuses. In fact, he's using it as motivation

583
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Speaker 1: and learning from mistakes that he made in year one

584
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Speaker 1: to make sure it doesn't happen in year two. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that you've got these two six foot four

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Speaker 1: players as inside linebackers. According to Simmons, he believes he

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Speaker 1: and Collins can quote be like the Skies the limits

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Speaker 1: for those two players, and it's something that I know

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff believes the guy can be the limit,

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00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: and it's they certainly have the talent. Now it's do

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Speaker 1: they have the mental makeup to be successful as far

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Speaker 1: as learning a playbook and getting that playbook translated from

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Speaker 1: the classroom out onto the field, depending on what the

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Speaker 1: offense is doing. After the Cardinals drafted Isaiah Simmons, we

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Speaker 1: get a chance to see him, but we really didn't

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Speaker 1: have any like, yeah, you know, in person interviews with him.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that was his case for everything. So we didn't

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Speaker 1: hear a lot from him. And then we got a

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Speaker 1: chance to hear him in training camp, you know, a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. The first round pick. But I can

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Speaker 1: tell you this just from a year ago. At this time,

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00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: he is much more nature. He knows how good he

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Speaker 1: can be. He asked, you know, where's the airs for improvement? Quote,

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Speaker 1: I just want to be acome a technician unquote. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's he didn't He doesn't talk about goals. It's

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Speaker 1: about winning. And you know, obviously last year it was

607
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: difficult for him, but he learned a lot and he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not making any excuses. And I think you know

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Speaker 1: I've said this in the entire offseason. Give him an

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Speaker 1: entire offseason, give him a couple of preseason games, and

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Speaker 1: he will have a huge jump from the first year

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Speaker 1: to the second year. Now playing next to Collins, I

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Speaker 1: like where he's at. I like what he's saying. He

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Speaker 1: took responsibility. He knows it's not going to come easy,

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Speaker 1: but he puts the work in and he goes home

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Speaker 1: and watch his film. And that's encouraging because he said

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Speaker 1: he didn't know how much you do, but he knows

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Speaker 1: now that he's got to watch film, because if you

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Speaker 1: watch a lot of film, then it comes natural to

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Speaker 1: what you're watching on Sundays. And I do think the

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Speaker 1: struggles are going to continue, but they'll be fewer and

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Speaker 1: maybe they won't be as magnified. Maybe there are small

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Speaker 1: mistakes that we don't look or we don't see, and

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Speaker 1: it maybe it doesn't become a costly one like Week

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Speaker 1: one at San Francisco was a year ago, because that

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Speaker 1: touchdown certainly was glaring, and I think it carried with

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Speaker 1: Simmons for several weeks until maybe that game at State

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Speaker 1: Farm Stadium Sunday night against the Seahawks and we made

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Speaker 1: that interception. All of a sudden, the light bulb went

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Speaker 1: on for him. But I do like what he has

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Speaker 1: to say, we are going to see him at different

632
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Speaker 1: positions out of that inside linebacker spot. As we heard

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Speaker 1: from Coach Davis on a recent edition of The Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage, that's home base for Isaiah Simmons inside linebacker

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Speaker 1: next to Zavon But from that spot, he can be

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Speaker 1: in different locations near the line of scrimmage, in the slot,

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Speaker 1: covering a receiver or a tied end, or a running

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Speaker 1: back that comes across the middle, or maybe even drop

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Speaker 1: back and play some safety. We saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: that last season. You can do a lot of different

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Speaker 1: things with Isaiah Simmons. It's just a matter how comfortable

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Speaker 1: is he at doing those different things. And according to him,

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Speaker 1: he is much more comfortable, much more confident in what

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Speaker 1: is being asked of him. Yeah, I asked him that question.

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Speaker 1: He said had made very large strides he's with his

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Speaker 1: comfortability and confidence in the division. He also said he's

647
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: made a point to learn other players positions, which thinks

648
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: it allowed him to play faster. He's not making the calls,

649
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: that's Zavin Collins, but he wants to learn other positions

650
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: so he can play faster. Again, when you're comfortable and

651
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Speaker 1: confident and you can play free you're gonna get to

652
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Speaker 1: the ball a lot quicker. It all sounds good right

653
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Speaker 1: now here in the off season. As we discussed a

654
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Speaker 1: year ago at this time, what was our big phrase

655
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Speaker 1: on paper? Everything looks good on paper. Everyone has a

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Speaker 1: plan until something happens. That Mike Tyson quote. Everyone has

657
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Speaker 1: a plan until you get punched in the mouth. What

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Speaker 1: do you do when you get punched in the mouth.

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Speaker 1: And I think, for lack of a term or comparison,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons got punched in the mouth last week one,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how. I don't think he got

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Speaker 1: up off the canvas until maybe week eight, week nine,

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Speaker 1: and week ten, And I think he was humbled a

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Speaker 1: little bit because he was very successful at Clemson, your

665
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Speaker 1: first round pick. Everything comes easy to you at the

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Speaker 1: college level because talent wins out. Well, that was another

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Speaker 1: thing he pointed out. Everyone is talented at this level.

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Speaker 1: It's the mental makeup. It's your mental it's you. It's

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Speaker 1: the knowledge you have that separates the good players from

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Speaker 1: the great players. How do you take that next step? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's knowing, as you pointed out, it's not only not

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Speaker 1: only knowing my job, but everyone else's job and then

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Speaker 1: on the other side, when you're looking at that offense,

674
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Speaker 1: knowing what they want to do and how you can

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Speaker 1: stop them. I could tell you this though, I feel

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Speaker 1: more comfortable when I talk about these guys than I

677
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: did a year ago, because I didn't know what to expect.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I see Ron Delmore, I could see the upset.

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00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: I look at Mark Wilson, I could see the upside.

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: You and I are standing there to them, like, look

681
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: at that guy's size. You know, you look at take

682
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: ou and size. You know, you look at some other

683
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: positions at least and again until they put the pads on,

684
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: that's where guys will separate themselves. But according to CBA rules,

685
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: you can't do that. Now we know that's going to

686
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: be limited in training camp. Obviously, put the pads on

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00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: for preseason games. But you know, you see the film,

688
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: you hear about the scouting reports, you see the interviews.

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00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: At least this year we're going to see the players,

690
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and you could see it. You know, some guys obviously

691
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: have a long ways to go. But again, I'm not

692
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Speaker 1: a scout. I just watch it and I try to

693
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Speaker 1: gather as much information to make an educated opinion on things.

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Speaker 1: But me seeing this stuff, like, I could see the

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Speaker 1: upside and at least four of the five draft picks.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously I haven't watched Michael Mennette very much

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00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: are on the other side of the field, But I

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00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: could see the upside where last year I'd had no

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00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: idea going into the season. All you were left with

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Speaker 1: was what was on a piece of paper, or you

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00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: went on Hulu or Google or what. When you try

702
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: to call up a video clip of these players, you're right,

703
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: you you need to be able to see them, and

704
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: it's it's limited. I understand that, but it is certainly

705
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: something that we weren't unable to have last season. And

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Speaker 1: you go kind of go in with the blank blank. Yeah,

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00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: you have no idea until you see it. And for

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons in a lot of those rookies, not just

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Speaker 1: with Cardinals but across the league, it was really difficult.

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00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Well to me, you see eye test and we watched J. J.

711
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: Y and you're like, wow, I mean this guy's everywhere.

712
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's passionate. He runs every drill for the

713
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: defensive line. You stand next to you and we're like, okay,

714
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to see that last year.

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Speaker 1: Now when the season started, we're out there for twenty minutes,

716
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: but they're game planning. Some guys are really having it's here.

717
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: I could see the guys they drafted, I could see

718
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: the guys they signed, and you look at that defensive

719
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: line room. Wow, they're huge and that's going to go

720
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: a long way when it comes to stop on the

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Speaker 1: run and putting pressure on the quarterback again, get him

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Speaker 1: off his spot. One other notes on Isaiah Simmons the

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Speaker 1: number change to number nine, and give it up to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim M. Hundred for asking about why

725
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: the single digit or asked kind of laid him into

726
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: does he expect to be a little bit faster now

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Speaker 1: that he's in a single digits, And he acknowledging kind

728
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: of a little smirk, a little smile that maybe he

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Speaker 1: would be a little bit faster now just wearing number nine,

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Speaker 1: But no real reason for number nine. I think at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you really kind of

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Speaker 1: asked him straight up, like I think he wanted to

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Speaker 1: wear a single digit, like that's my goal. I want.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me what numbers are available. Well, obviously number

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Speaker 1: one is Kyler Murray number two, while Chase Edmonds, He's

736
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Speaker 1: got seniority, and then you keep going up Buddha Baker's

737
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Speaker 1: warrying three, Sorry seniority, number four, Will that's Andy Lee,

738
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Speaker 1: Sorry seniority, and you keep going and then later Bread,

739
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: Iron Murphy, James Connor, Hall of Famer, Larry Wilson. So

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Speaker 1: really the only single digit was left was number nine.

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Speaker 1: And as he mentioned, he brought up number eleven, which

742
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Speaker 1: he wore at But I think that was more just

743
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Speaker 1: a matter of conversation because number eleven will never be

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00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: worn again by anyone but Larry Fitzgerald. And no, we

745
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: don't know what's up with Fits outside of the fact

746
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: that he's certainly enjoying this Phoenix Suns playoff run. Outside

747
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: of that, he is not here at Mini camp. You

748
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: know where fitz was yesterday at a board meeting for

749
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: the many countless companies. And he was at a board meeting.

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00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: He I texted him over the weekend. He goes, you

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00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: know the schedule yet I saw, I don't know if

752
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: the NBA schedule. I guess I can find out, but

753
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, usually they release it. He goes, tell me

754
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: they're playing Monday and Wednesday. I got a board meeting

755
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We love you, Fitzy to be Larry Fitzgerald.

756
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: If only we could all be Larry Fitzgerald for just

757
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: one day, just to be fits for one day. Bird Gang.

758
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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hunday Probub, partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Also discussed with Cardinals Defensive Coiner Advanced Joseph And it's

771
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Speaker 1: a question that you brought up. You wanted to ask

772
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: where you wanted to know about the depth at cornerback

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00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: guys that were returning, but more so the guys that

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Speaker 1: they had added Malcolm Butler, Darquas Dennard, the draft picks

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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, Tay Gowan, and without bringing up Byron Murphy,

776
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: at least by you. It was Vance Joseph who wanted

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Speaker 1: to start with Murphy because, in the words of Coach Joseph,

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Speaker 1: Murphy can be a special player for us and quote,

779
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: of course, he is the most veteran of that group

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Speaker 1: within this defense, with apologies to Robert Alford, who hasn't

781
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: played the past two seasons, but it was certainly I

782
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: threw Alford's name in there. You did, and I wanted

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00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: to get into him as well, but I did notice,

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00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: and it was subtle. But you list all these names

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00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: and Coach Joseph immediately goes to Byron Murphy, who, at

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Speaker 1: least on the depth chart, you would think would be

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Speaker 1: the third corner because he plays the slot, but he

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00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: does have the ability to go both outside or inside.

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Speaker 1: But it all begins with Byron Murphy in that cornerbacks room.

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Speaker 1: According to coach Joseph, well, I heard after the season

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00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: he was their best corner and you know he obviously

792
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: struggled his first year. You know, he's just throwing the mix,

793
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of health around him. But he's

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00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: physical and you can see he's you know when it

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00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: comes to physicality, he's coming into his body when it

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00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: comes more strength and power. You know, he works out

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Speaker 1: a ton, he's athletic, he's physical. You know, he wants

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Speaker 1: to be great. I think he learned a lot from

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. When you get to the line, make sure

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Speaker 1: you look at their knees. Other ways, they can't go

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00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: a different direction. So he's being able to pick on

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00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: certain things. But the fact that he named him number

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Speaker 1: one tells me how how much they value him. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll get into the nerd here in a moment,

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00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's going to play in the slot,

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Speaker 1: and we know that these slot receivers are just as

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Speaker 1: good as the second and third wide receivers. And now

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Speaker 1: in this day and age, your second and third corner

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Speaker 1: have to be as good as your slot corner. That's

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Speaker 1: the business. Well they're starting, yeah, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the percentages, and I don't have it in

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Speaker 1: front of you, I haven't done a deep dive. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we can get Kyle Utgard to do that for us.

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Speaker 1: But the number of teams that not just starts three corners,

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Speaker 1: because when you say you're starting that's just one snap,

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Speaker 1: I mean at that's misleading. Look at the total number

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Speaker 1: of snaps someone plays to figure out how much of

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00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: a role they have on that offense or that defense.

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Speaker 1: But the percentage of teams that play three corners for

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Speaker 1: what maybe seventy five eight percent of the snaps as

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Speaker 1: opposed to once upon a time two corners because you

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Speaker 1: had two wide receivers and it was that base defense

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00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: three four, two runnerbacks, a full back tight end to

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Speaker 1: where you didn't need to bring in that nickel corner

825
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: or dime package. Because you just had two wide receivers. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you're seeing three corners, I would say the majority,

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Speaker 1: it's almost the base defense now true. I mean you

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Speaker 1: want to go nickel, you're bringing forward and you can

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Speaker 1: bring in an extra safety if you want to go dime. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a scenario where you have to have

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Speaker 1: guys that can cover. And based on you know my

832
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: question advance about the secondary, he feels comfortable going into

833
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: this season. I mean, you're always looking to get better,

834
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: but I think he feels like if and he also

835
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Speaker 1: mentioned we'll mention Denard. He said den Art can play

836
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Speaker 1: inside and outside, so Murphy can play inside and outside.

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00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson can play inside and outside. Chase Whittaker, who's

838
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: kind of a little buried in the depth chart, he's

839
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Speaker 1: an inside guy. So that's almost three to four guys

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00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: that you have at slot corner if something happens on

841
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: the outside. I'm much more comfortable with the depth at

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00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: cornerback post Dark Denard, pre dark Ques Denard. We discussed

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: that this team needed something, they need experience in that

844
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: cornerback's room, and they got it with Denard. Now I

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00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: know you're pretty much I wouldn't say adamant, but you

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Speaker 1: think that there might be another guy or two, And

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Speaker 1: I think that just depends on how one mini camp goes,

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00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: how the started training camp goes. Is Marco Wilson, Tay Gallan,

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Speaker 1: are they capable of showing this team one they can

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00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: make the roster, not just on special teams, but in

851
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: a pinch or if needed, they can play corner as well,

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00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: whether that's inside or outside. Six cornerbacks on a fifty

853
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: three man roster sounds like a lot, But if those

854
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: fifth and six corners are cornerbacks in name only because

855
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: their main role is on special teams, then maybe you

856
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: do see six cornerbacks on the roster to where you've

857
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: got your four veterans plus two draft picks. We watch

858
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: both Tay Gowan and Marco Wilson lineup in certain drills

859
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: and the first thing I told you, look at that size,

860
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: look at those lakes, and he mentioned them. So they're

861
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: going to be in the mix. Now again, you know,

862
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks you want to make sure

863
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, you have some veteran presidents out there. But

864
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see who that fourth, fifth,

865
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: and six corners. Now we think they're gonna keep four

866
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: or five. I think if one of those rookies emerges,

867
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: what does that mean for Denard. I mean, again, he's

868
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: a veteran guy, and if he's on the roster in

869
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: week one, then you know he's pretty much guaranteed for

870
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: these seasons. So a lot of it's a fluid situation.

871
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: But I do like the fact that they got some

872
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: young guys in a mix. It's a good mixture of

873
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: veterans and experienced guys. From Malcolm Butler, Byron Murphy of course,

874
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: when Alford was in Atlanta, and then he's throw in

875
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: some youth. I think they've set themselves up. Now it's

876
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: a matter of how much pressure can they get up

877
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: from from their front seven. All right, let's focus in

878
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: on one of those veterans, and it's Robert Alford. He

879
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: has certainly been the talk this week as far as

880
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: the first two days of Mini camp one. It's because

881
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: while we haven't seen him on a football field in

882
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: over a year, but I'll say this, watching him out

883
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: there on the field, they're not running full speed, but

884
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: I see no effects from the broken leg a couple

885
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: of years ago or the torn peck last season. He

886
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: is playing like he played last season before the injury,

887
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: like the previous season before the injury. Those two training

888
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: camps in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, without question, Robert

889
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Alford was the best cornerback on the Arizona Cardinals. Then

890
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: he got hurt and then we kind a lost track

891
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and out of sight, out of mind. If Robert Alford

892
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: can be Robert Alford and twenty twenty one, then yes,

893
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph and everyone else should feel very good about

894
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the depth at cornerback. Cliff mentioned that, you know, obviously

895
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: they gave him a nice, you know contract when he

896
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: arrived here hoping he would play, and he said, hey, listen,

897
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: I want to come back. I owe to you. Not

898
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: a lot of players would say that. I mean, injuries

899
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: are part of the game. Yes, it didn't happen during

900
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: the game. And I told you last offseason, I mean

901
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: he was chiseled. He was working out with Pat p

902
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: and I could just see both of them are motivated.

903
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: And you know, Patrick thought he had a chip on

904
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: his shoulder that that didn't pan out. But you know,

905
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: Alford is going to be a kind of a sleeper

906
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: here because I think people are just waiting to see

907
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: what happens when when's the shoe gonna drop? And he

908
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: may draw that assignment in week one on a j

909
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: Brown or even Julio Jones, depending on what kind of

910
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: defense the Cardinals. So he's gonna get thrown in the

911
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: mix right right from the get go. But you know,

912
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: you hate to say, you know, he's got to get

913
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: through the training camp in preseason and all that, which

914
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: is true. But if he can just get to the season,

915
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing what he can do on

916
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: the field. I made a joke standing with Kyle during

917
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: the open portion of practice that at this point just

918
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: put Alford in bubble wrap and say we'll see a

919
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: week one at Tennessee, just to make sure he gets

920
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: to the regular season, because to your point, we just

921
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: haven't seen him get there. And I do want to

922
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: bring up what Kingsbury had to say earlier this week,

923
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: because it was interesting conversation that he allowed us to

924
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: be a part of. As far as Robert Alford, we

925
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: know signed and then he got released officially got released

926
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: signed the day or the next day after that, and

927
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: it was a I think a candid conversation between Alford

928
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: and the organization this offseason, to which Kingsbury said, quote

929
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: as far as what Alford told the team, quote I

930
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: want to come back. I owe you guys, so I'll

931
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: come back for whatever deal because I owe the organization,

932
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: I owe the Cardinals, and I want to prove it

933
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: that you were all right about me. End quote. That's

934
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: from head coach Cliff Kingsbury. The conversations at the team

935
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: had with offered this offseason. So that's someone that understands

936
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: that a chance was taken with me when the Cardinals

937
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: signed him a couple of years ago. I remember that

938
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: was that was a signing in January belief he got

939
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: released by the Atlanta Falcons and with his within a

940
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: matter of days he was an Arizona Cardinal to team

941
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson. We just haven't seen it materialize on

942
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: the field. Now. The hope is knock on Wood he

943
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: stays healthy. Maybe you're right, MJ. We're talking about Malcolm

944
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: Butler and Dark West and Art and Byron Murphy maybe

945
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: offered is that number one quarter and it's him going

946
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: up against Julio Jones. Yeah, And just going back to

947
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: what we what we witnessed in training camp the last

948
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: couple of years, I mean the first year here, I

949
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: was impressed. How physically was he. He likes to talk trash.

950
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: He heard Booney talking about that yesterday. He's nothing, no disrespect,

951
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: He's not trying to show anybody up, but it brings

952
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: competition out in players. He was physical. I mean he

953
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: was going to to toe with Larry and you know

954
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: last year, you know early on with Hopkins. Um. I

955
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: just remember just saying, Wow, if this guy can stay healthy,

956
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: he's got the body and he's in great shape and

957
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: he's got to be motivated to know, you know, time

958
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: is running out here. My chances, and so as long

959
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: as he can stay healthy, I think he's going to

960
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: be a big part of what they want to do

961
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: in that secondary. Here's what Buddha Baker had to say

962
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: about day one of many camp about Robert Alford. Quote,

963
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: he still looks like the great Robert Alford, fresh Robert Alford.

964
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: He was locking some stuff up today and it was

965
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: great to see end quotes. There are a number of

966
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: people talking about what Alford did on day one and

967
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: continues to do end to day two. Now again, I'll

968
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: say it, it's early, it's June. It means nothing until

969
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: you get to September. But it's better to hear this

970
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: MJ than the alternative that you know, we haven't seen

971
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: Alford for a couple of seasons on the field. It

972
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: looks like he's lost a step or two. He just

973
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have it. He's not the player we signed.

974
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: Couldn't be further from the truth. It sounds like Robert

975
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Alford here in June twenty twenty one is the same

976
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: player that this team signed back in twenty nineteen. And

977
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, besides the injuries, and obviously that's the reason

978
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: why he couldn't play, I mean, he doesn't. He doesn't

979
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: have to wear and tear in the entire body. Now,

980
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: he had to recover from injuries. That didn't help him

981
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: getting back on the field sooner. But you know, when

982
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: you missed a couple of seasons, the wear and tear.

983
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: But I'm sure he would have traded all that into place.

984
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: Thirty two games in the last two years, and you

985
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: know how many times we got asked about all for

986
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: the past two seasons. People wanted to know about his

987
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: status and is there a chance he could come back,

988
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: and it just was not going to happen. But I

989
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of fans out there that

990
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: are anxious and hopeful that number twenty three is on

991
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: the field this season. We see a lot of guys

992
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: go on ir and sometimes it's a surgery where they

993
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: really can't walk or they got to walk in boot.

994
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Cliff mentioned it, I think late last year, and then

995
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: Boodha mentioned it again. Here's a guy that was on

996
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: the practice field, watching practice, in the meetings. He didn't

997
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: have to be here. I mean sometimes rehab he come

998
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: here in the morning and you know by ten o'clock

999
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: he can go home. He was here with the players

1000
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: and so again that speaks volumes of Yeah, he was disappointing,

1001
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: wasn't playing, but if he can help somebody else out,

1002
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: and I think that speaks volumes of the professional He

1003
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: is big, big Robert Alford fans here on this show.

1004
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: I think I can speak for you MJ on that

1005
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: we wish him nothing but the best. And I was

1006
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: joking and I'm kind of half serious. At this point.

1007
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: You just tap Alford on the shoulder and say, you

1008
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: know what you've done enough, We'll see you in training

1009
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: camp and come training camp. Maybe maybe you don't practice

1010
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: every single day. And being facetious here, but I'm just

1011
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: anxious to see him in game action, not preseason game action,

1012
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: regular season action in Week one against Tennessee to the

1013
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: point where it wouldn't bother me at this point at

1014
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: the team just said, you know, we're gonna take a

1015
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: chance and pull you out of everything and just say

1016
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: all right, be ready September twelve. Yeah, I mean I

1017
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: would be cautious with them, not to where I'm worried.

1018
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: But I also want to see Marco Wilson and Hey

1019
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: Gown and some of these other corners get reps because

1020
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: if we have some injuries. The team has injuries, all

1021
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're going to be there. So I

1022
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: think we know who the starters are. Yes, you knock

1023
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: some of the rush stoff go against the number one

1024
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: offenses or you know, number one, two, three wide receivers.

1025
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: But you gotta get those rookies in there, our second

1026
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: year players, because at some point we know they're going

1027
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: to get a chance to play. I think they know

1028
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: who their starters are. A matter of fact, I know

1029
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: across the board they can probably look at their top

1030
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: three or four right now. Yeah, everything looking very very

1031
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: good again on paper, although this year now on the

1032
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: field at least for a limited amount of time and

1033
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: a limited number of days exactly. And according to Vance Joseph,

1034
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: the third year defensive coordinator, Cardinals defense so far has

1035
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: passed that I tests. And on that note, let's put

1036
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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1038
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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Amandro for Mike Jarecki,

1039
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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rio, Lou. We'll talk to you next time

1040
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Speaker 1: here on Cardinal Old Scabbed two