1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: The Scandals. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: As Katie though, I don't even know what episode to pick. 5 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: There's not even like, gee, how can we even tease it? 6 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: How can we even tease It's it's it's our Iago, 7 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: It's Scandal's menace. Is he good? Is he bad? What 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: sideer you on? He's one of the most complicated characters 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: probably in television history. The monologues upon monologues and. 10 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: The work man. The acting is just off the chain. Yeah, 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: you have so. 12 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: Many things to talk about. The acting, it's off the chain. 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: This is the one and only hour forever and only 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: Cyrus Bean, Yes, May bye, the one and only Jeff. 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: Erry Cherry, Jeffy Hello. 16 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: We've been saving We, like Katie was saying earlier, there's 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: just so many episodes that we could choose to bring 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: you in on, and we were like, we have to 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: keep waiting, we have to keep just trying to find 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: the perfect episode, and you know this is one of many. 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: So we're so thrilled that you're going with it, and we're. 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: Going to be bugging you again, but can you tell 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: us How did this Because it's an epic story, I 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: know it, but I just want to relish in it. 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: How did you get this part. 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: Back in my home territory of Chicago because Seanda was 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: also from the Chicago area, and I would find out 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: later she saw Steple of Theater Shows and I've been 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: a member of that company since nineteen seventy six. I'm 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: ninety four years old. Oh my god. Somewhere weeks or 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: months later, she casts me as Meredith's dad, where t 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: R is attending Kate Burton, another Shonda company member. 34 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: Ar Sally Langston. 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, in early Alzheimer's and she mistakes TR for me, 36 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: her ex husband and father of Meredith, And how a 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: writer's brain works and whatever. Anyway, it started, Oh, thank god, Shonda, 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: thank you, and and then it led to scandal Land 39 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: and I auditioned, auditioned. 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: What was it do you remember? Was it like a 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: big cyrus speech? Was it like where did you have? 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 3: Like epic lines? 43 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: Something? Something? I think there was something from the pilot. Anyway, 44 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: we get notes for whatever it was from the net, 45 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: from the network, and and Shanna says, here's the translation, 46 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: jeff Less lovely professor and more Ram Emmanuel Ram Emmanuel 47 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: would end up chief of staff for Barack Obama yep, 48 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: I think, and and then mayor of Chicago and now 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: he's an ambassador somewhere for Joe Biden. 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Wow. 51 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: But she wanted you to be not like a sweet 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: chief of staff. She wanted you to be like which 53 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: of course she was. It more like leaning towards like ruthless. 54 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: Right, a ruthless killer inside. 55 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Ram is brother to Ari Emmanuel, one of 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: the founder chief muckety MUCKs of whatever Cia William Morris 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: for those of. 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: You listening who don't know, Ari Emmanuel is who Jeremy 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Pivens character is based on in Entourage. So like we're 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: talking about the sharkiest shark of agents and his brother 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: is a chief of staff, and the two of them, 62 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: I am sure are the most cutthroat, shark fucking driven, 63 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: insane workaholics. 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, I remember, oh yes, so I remember 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: the Ram Emmanuel. I said, Okay, I got a I 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: got a big sense of this, and I started I 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: read a little bit, and and there was a thing 68 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: maybe he first worked for Clinton, and Clinton gets in 69 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: and wins, and rom is sitting with his staff member 70 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: and going over loyal and disloyal people, you know from 71 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: from the campaign, and he and he'd hear a disloyal name, 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: and apparently they were they were eating and he had 73 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: a fork in his hand, and when he heard a 74 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: disloyal name, he went dead. Wow, continue to continue dead. 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: And so I thought, Okay, I get the note. 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah we got Cyrus. 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Did you did you audition more than once or was 78 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: it just one? 79 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: I think there was warn some notes and then I 80 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: did it again. 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Wow? 82 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: Did you have any idea? I mean, did Shanda pull 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: you aside or Linda pull you a I'd everyone be like, 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: this is like Cyrus is going to be the character. 85 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: He became like did you know it was going to 86 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: have this sort of. 87 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: For us? You know, for a minute, even though I'd 88 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: gotten a note and all of that, maybe first or 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: second episode or something, you know, maybe just for one episode, 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: I was under the illusion that I was some combo 91 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: of like Sam Waterston and Martin Sheen. You know, a 92 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: white knight. 93 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: That is hilarouous, right right? 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: Oh god, I remembered Jeff, No, they told you no. 95 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's horns on that white hat. There's a red horn. 96 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: That white hat. Oh, my god, I felt just so like, 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: tell us about this is an amazing story too, for 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: those of you who haven't heard it, tell us when 99 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: you found out that cyrus Bean was gay. 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: Linda would know the first draft of episodes, you know, 101 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: a week or so before me and I hear a 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: yelp from the back yard and we had a practical 103 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: uh and emotional Chinese wall like I'm not gonna I'm 104 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: not gonna learn stuff because my wife's the casting director. 105 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: Before year, I'm on Katie and Carrie for. 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: You all over that ship. I would have been like, tell. 107 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: Me, yeah, everything, I know you're reading it. I know 108 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: you're reading a draft, and I may have to break 109 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: the rule. What do you come on? What's up? And 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: she goes, uh no, no, no, no, it was just 111 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: the number of characters that we have to do or something. 112 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: She lied. And then when we find out no episode 113 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: numbers these days, you know, there was a few episodes 114 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: in right now, and my brain went, you know, wait 115 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: a second, is there anything in the three four whatever 116 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: episodes that you know betrays this or her contradicts this? 117 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: And of course it didn't, because Shana knows everything, and 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: and I went, oh cool, Okay, that proved really fun 119 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: to play, you know at different times. 120 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're you're working in a Republican presidency. I 121 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: mean that's wild. 122 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just But also what was so great was 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: that it was, you know, like all of Shanda's characters 124 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: that are, you know, either gay or whatever they're they're 125 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: treated with the same just sort of nonchalantness as every 126 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: other character. And that was that's what's so refreshing from 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, for as a gay man, because back in 128 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: the day, you know, in the eighties when I was 129 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: growing up, you know, the gay characters were sort of 130 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: cartoonish and over the top and exaggerated, and it was 131 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: just so. 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: That it was about that. 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Yes, and this was he just happened to be gay. Yeah. 134 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. And we don't get into Cyruses until this episode 135 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: that we're talking about today. Do we even get into 136 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: really that that might have been a struggle for Cyrus 137 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: at some point, and we're talking about season three, episode fourteen. 138 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: I mean, that is so far into the series before 139 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: we even really get to unpack Cyrus's yeah, sort of past. 140 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Do you know how much I sobbed watching this episode 141 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and watching those scenes, like it's such an emotional rollercoaster 142 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: this episode. 143 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: I totally agree. Okay, today we are talking about because 144 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: we got to get into this this Cyrus backstory. It's 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: episode three fourteen, which was called Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, 146 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: and it aired on March twentieth, twenty fourteen. 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: So crazy. And it was written by Mark Fish and 148 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: it was directed by Paul mccrane. Do you guys remember 149 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: Paul mccrane. 150 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: I do remember Paul, I don't, Jeff, I don't remember. 151 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Did he direct more than one episode? 152 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: Wasn't Paul a regular or a heavy recurring on like 153 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: er as an actor? 154 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: Oh? 155 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: I think that. Oh, I think so. And like Tommy 156 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: and like Tommy Vericon, like a lot of people, you know, 157 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: he went mostly directing. 158 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Yes, he was also a character in the movie Fame. 159 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Paul mccrane, I believe if I'm not mistaken, 160 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I think I remember. 161 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 3: Oh my god, he was. He was redhead. 162 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's this, yes, yes, from Fame the movie. 163 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: Remember he was the guy that was like in the 164 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: closet I think in Fame the movie, which is so ironic. 165 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,359 Speaker 1: God that he's directing this episode. 166 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: That is exactly right. He was lovely. 167 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an actor, which makes it so great 168 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: for us to be directed by her. 169 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: You know, so it was directed by Paul and it 170 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: was guest starring. This list is insane. It's John Tenny is, 171 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: Andrew Nichols, Candy Alexander is Marie Wallace, Paul Aidelstein is 172 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: Leo Bergen, Nazanine Boniatti is Adnan Salive, Charmila Devar as 173 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: Lauren Wellman. 174 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Vanya Asher is Ethan, Donorah Walcott as reporter Caro Reese, 175 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: Rios's reporter, Peter, Jennifer Pio as Vanessa Chandler, and Julia 176 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: Cho as Shelby Moss. Wow, that's a lot of people. 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: Yes, that's some pricey, pricey episode getting all these of 178 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: One of my. 179 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: Favorite guest stars on here is Vanya Asher, who plays Ethan, 180 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: and he has so many great moments in this episode. Jeff, 181 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: he plays your right. Yeah, yeah, you know, I know, 182 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: so great. 183 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: We love you, We love you. We need to have 184 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: him on here. Yes, vanish, our little Ethan, Vanya Asher. Okay, Jeff, 185 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: do you have the synopsis in front of you? 186 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: Got it? 187 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: Do you want to try to warm up your mouth? 188 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: And yes, yes I do. Okay, here we go and 189 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: then I'll and then I'll add a Taga who got 190 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: shot has finally answered in the opening minutes, but then 191 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: the falling out causes catastrophic waves for Olivia, David rosenand 192 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: cyrus Is. The pieces are put together and things get 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: spicy when Hunk realizes that Quinn let herself get caught 194 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: while breaking into Olivia's safe. 195 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, you do scandal past so 196 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: well and it's so throwaway. 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Like listen, dear audiences, is humble, but wouldn't you agree 198 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: Katie could go faster than any of us. 199 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 3: That such a motor mouth. It's terrible. I'm such a 200 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: motor We talked to you on this show. Any job 201 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: we get afterwards, people are like, you can slow down, 202 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm like the worst act Humber. I'm 203 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: so trained Jeff in this episode, Like it's so depressing, 204 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: everybody listening. This is like the episode where we know 205 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: that that James has been shot off and it's right 206 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: off the top and it's the first thirty seconds of 207 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: the show. We see fully Jake Ballard put his gun 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: to James while he's running away and he gets shot. 209 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: It's absolutely horrible. But the episode is so beautiful because 210 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 3: it goes back into the history of how James and 211 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: Cyrus fell in love and j and Cyrus has the 212 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: best facial hair I've ever seen, and talk to us 213 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: about that. 214 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: That neck beard, the neck beard. 215 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm watching. It was so funny. I forgot we ever 216 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: did that in the makeup chair and they heard, you know, 217 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: you put some blue you know, stick them on, and 218 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: then they blow you know, little bits of a couple 219 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: of colors of hair. 220 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: How yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 221 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: They put sticker ship on your face, is it, lind 222 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: And then they like pieces of little hairy pubes like on. 223 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: Your face exactly, exactly. 224 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: The sweetest scene because you realize it's like them flirting, 225 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 3: Like like James says to you something about like get 226 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: rid of that neck beard, and you're like, you don't 227 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: think Cyrus is going to listen to him. And then 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: the next scene we realized the neck beard has been shaved, 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 3: and and you know, James is like, oh, he's like 230 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: listening to what I say. He like obviously wants to 231 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: impress me. It's so sweet, and it's so like unlike 232 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 3: the Cyrus we know to be, you know, kind of 233 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: vulnerable and like flirty and. 234 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Shy and just yes, yes, watching Cyrus like fall for James. 235 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: It's so sweet. 236 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so sweeting, I mean, highlights of the episode, 237 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: y'all take us through what jeff favorite acting moments of 238 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: your own you can or other people, but really, like, 239 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: were there moments that you remember shooting of this episode 240 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: or scenes when you watched it back that just like 241 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: made you just I personally think so many, Oh my god, 242 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 3: there's so many. But for me, the end of this 243 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: episode where James is being a little baby and you're 244 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: not taking him to the dance of the inaugural ball 245 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: and then it's the best like Gladys Night song ever 246 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: and you're like fuck it and you go and you 247 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: grab his hand and you take off the red red 248 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: velvet rope that's holding him back, and you're like get 249 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: out here, and you make him dance like different of everyone. 250 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: I was a sobbing so was I. 251 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: Oh, I loved I loved that moment so much, and 252 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: I was struck by so many things rewatching you guys, 253 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: remember Shonda really early at her house, you guys, maybe 254 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: we watched the pilot and write the cast and and 255 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: I remember a little after it us just going, oh 256 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: my god, Oh my god. I think we might have 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: been the first people at the gold Rush, you know. 258 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: And remember Shanda saying something like I know what I 259 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: sort of intended hoped for, but I didn't. I didn't 260 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: know that someone that we could pack that much into 261 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: an episode. And I was struck by that again watching this, 262 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: because I hadn't watched an episode in a long time, 263 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: and and it was like, my god, there's you know, 264 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: fourteen storylines yep, and. 265 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: Twelve climaxes and yes, and all into forty two minutes, 266 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: forty thirteen minutes. 267 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: And thirteen surprises and. 268 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: An a partridge in a pear tree and a partridge in. 269 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: A pair tree. I mean, just crazy. 270 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys. I love the scene when 271 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: you guys are dancing. I love the the shots that 272 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: they get of the people's expressions that are watching you guys. 273 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: And there's a shot of a woman that's like wraw, 274 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: like she's just appalled. Yes, it's just like brilliant. 275 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: One thing, hell is the head of the Republican National Committee, 276 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: yes two years ago doing what is he doing? 277 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, yeh. But also for the audience, I 278 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: mean this this aired what what year was this, twenty fourteen? 279 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it was still a bit like 280 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: it was still a bit shocking for a lot of 281 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: America unfortunately, to see these two men on a hit show, 282 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: a political hit show, you know, Republican dancing with another 283 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: man his lover, yes, his boyfriend. That was still shocking. 284 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: But how freaking amazing and wonderful they sean to put 285 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: it out there and put it in people's faces and 286 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: made it like, you know, showed it with respect and 287 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: dignity and humanity like every other couple, you know what 288 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean. It was just it felt so good, Oh 289 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: my god. 290 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: And it's still like I feel like that's still tracks 291 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: like we're still fucked. 292 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, ah, oh yeah, we need more. 293 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: Of that way more. My favorite, one of my favorite 294 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: Kerry Washington acting moments of the week was when Jeff 295 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: Perry is outside and Tony gold Well Fitz is doing 296 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: his like speech and Jeffy is just like outside, like 297 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: also doing the speech and like how like honestly Jeff 298 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: wrote it or they were it together or whatever, but 299 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: Jeff is sort of like, you know, nailing this performance 300 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: outside and it's like that adorable like yeah, and then 301 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: the scene where you tell you tell fits that you're. 302 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 4: Gay, and you know, I almost do and almost, and 303 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: I think we assume Tony's beautiful face, yes, that if 304 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: he put words to it, he'd go, Cyrus, it's cool. 305 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, you know, but I can only go 306 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: so far as to say, it's a very opinionating journalist, Cyrus. 307 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: Are you Are you in love? Yeah? I am. He 308 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: makes me happy and uh and that's all that matters. 309 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you actually say they make me happy, you know, 310 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: I YEA make me happy. And I'm telling you that 311 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: there has to have been a gay writer in that 312 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: writing room. I know we had. We had several because 313 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: that is very true to life, Like that's so real. 314 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: I know so many friends that that's exactly how they 315 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: came out, even myself talking with some straight friends in 316 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the beginning. That's that's how it all sort of, you know, 317 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: works out. Those are the things you say. You don't 318 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: quite say you're gay, You kind of, you know, dance 319 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: around it. But but your good friend understands and still 320 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: loves you. And it was just so real to life 321 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: that scene, and it was it was so great, so good. 322 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: You know, Another aspect of it, you guys, gigantic. For me, 323 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: I've been so lucky to play so many different kinds 324 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: of things and different kinds of stories. And I think 325 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: like most like most of us, there's exceptions in our 326 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: acting lives, but it's a cathartic inventing thing, and you 327 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: finish that day or you finish that project, and it's like, cool, 328 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: what's next? You know, In all of the Scandal time 329 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: I got bloom and when from the time it was 330 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: a you know, a few weeks duration right where we 331 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: first find out about a script and we go on 332 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: cry not going to change and they're going to kill 333 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: Dan's character, and then all the way to Linda and 334 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: I going to the night shoot of Dan on the ground, 335 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, on the pavement. 336 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: And. 337 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: You guys went in the middle of the night to 338 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: like see it through. 339 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: We went in the yeah, we went. We went sometime 340 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: during the night, and we brought him some sort of 341 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: little cake or something. And and because I think and 342 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: I think it was his final final day, final season shoot, you. 343 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, like series rap, you know, they say, you know, 344 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: they say when it's your season rap on Katie Low's, 345 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 3: but this was a series rap on Dan Bugatinski as 346 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: James Novak and that scene, which was the other last one. 347 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: I want to mention this scene where Scott Foley to 348 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: jog all, y'all memory your gladiator's memories. Jake Ballard has 349 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: this short monologue at the end that says, I'm sorry 350 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 3: I had to do it sloppy, but it had to 351 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: look like there was a carjacking and I'm going to 352 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: sit next to you and it's coming. It's almost there. 353 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: You're you're not alone. 354 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: I'm here with you, and you're you're almost dead. And 355 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: you can hear like Dan struggling to James struggling to breathe, 356 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: I mean it. 357 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Is well, and then and then and then James struggles 358 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: to say ella, he tries to say ella, and Jake 359 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Ballard says, your daughter is gonna be okay, She's safe. 360 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: Your daughter's safe. Oh, it's heartbreaking, heart. 361 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: It's hurting breaking, it's heart. 362 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: And the fact that you and Linda, I know that 363 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: there was a couple of other actors and people from 364 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: Scandal they showed up that night. I can't remember who 365 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: else did, but that goes to show you how how 366 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: close we all were and how much we love the show. 367 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: You got. 368 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: You actually showed up on a day off like that 369 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: doesn't happen on TV and movies now, just to send 370 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: off an actor that we all love, you know what 371 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and knowing it was such an intense, difficult 372 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: scene to be there with him and for him so wonderful. 373 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 2: Well it was it was Dan, it was knowing him 374 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: for years. It was beautifully that relationship was written. How 375 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: how much fun it was to always play with them, 376 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: the scenes that we were given. 377 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: My god, yeah, you know, GEARM and I are in 378 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: the middle midst of watching season three. The work you 379 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: did on this show was so fucking bananas. And I 380 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: watch all the streamers too, and my god, the work 381 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 3: you did on this show was so increda. Yeah, it's 382 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: really and could you imagine? Can you believe that what 383 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: they wrote for you, I mean, the heart attack scene, 384 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: the gay relationship that like your head blowing off? How 385 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: did you do that? And not Oh my god, remember 386 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: you running down the hall and I feel like at 387 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: that time you had like you're you're running, You're running 388 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: underneath the fucking. 389 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: I mean, hell, there wasn't a tonality, a color, something, 390 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: a brilliant something that Sean had didn't create for my guy. 391 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: I used the phrase TV Heaven as a password in something, 392 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: and I can't remember what because I don't want to. 393 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: Biggest scandal would be too obvious, you know, for people 394 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: hacking me or something. 395 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: But password, yeah. 396 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: Whatever, TV Heaven is really what that was. It was, 397 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: and we would be remiss to not mention the other 398 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: glorious I mean, okay, so this episode huge, huge, I mean, 399 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: the death scene is the worst thing ever. The backstory 400 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: of how Jeff of how Cyrus and James got together 401 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: is absolutely beautiful and incredible. And then of course we 402 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: have the Huck Quinn situation where they're at odds with 403 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: each other and Quinn has to like break She breaks 404 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: into Olivia's safe, but she gets caught on camera, and 405 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: so Huck is like, you got caught on purpose. You 406 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: would never get caught, and he gets me. I'm in 407 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: like in a full blown like lock up against the wall. 408 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: He's like smushed my face up against the wall, and 409 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: then he flips me around and we just start making it. 410 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: Katie, I don't really remember, and and you spit in 411 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: my face and spit is just rolling down my face 412 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: and I think I licked my lips and then we 413 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: start making out. 414 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we we leave. We leave the little 415 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: scene with with the amazing scene, and Katie's like, and yes, he's. 416 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: One tear coming down, coming down. I was proud of that. 417 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: That was were talking about cringe worthy acting moments. So 418 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: I'm usually talking just mad ship about like what I've 419 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: done and how I've ruined the show. But I have 420 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 3: to say in this episode, I was like, dig I 421 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: love that that Lougie was massive and disgusting, but to 422 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: de form for. 423 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: You and I I was probably like Katie just spit, like, 424 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: do like just spit in my face, like we don't 425 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: mess around. 426 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: No, favorite that was scripted or we just did it. 427 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: It had sure it was. I think it was. Yeah, 428 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: I think it was. 429 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: It had to have been scripted. But Yo, we were hot. 430 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I was so hot. And the toolbox, 431 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: the red toolbox makes an appearance in that scene. You 432 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: rarely see the toolbox and you see it in the scene. 433 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah you do. 434 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: Did anybody eat in this episode? Jeff? I don't know 435 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: about you, but and you're the best actor in the world. 436 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: So G and I love when actors eat on camera, 437 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: and we feel like some of the worst actors are 438 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: always pretending and like pushing their food around and they're 439 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: not eating, and it's such a missed opportunity. And I 440 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: always say Lori metcalf is like the best eater on 441 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: television ever, Like every episode of you Know, they always 442 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: had family dinners, and she's. 443 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: So big bang theory too. She's always eating and she 444 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: does it. 445 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: It's such a gift. Jeff, what do you do when 446 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: you eat on camera? 447 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: Do you? I'm depends on the day, it's like, oh, ship, 448 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: I didn't go to craft service. I'm eating. Yeah, I'm eating, 449 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: you know. And then and then other days it's like 450 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: table scene, We're going to take things a million times. No, no, no, 451 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna push it around and have half a broccoli. 452 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 4: You know. 453 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 3: There was eating done in this episode Andrew and Mellie, 454 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: which we haven't talked about. 455 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: Right and there and then there was another bit of eating, 456 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: and it's Dan Belkatinski eating that fake blood while he's 457 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: gurgling on the ground that they put on his face. 458 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Hit me in that blood, which is made out of 459 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: like carabs. Sorry, too soon, too soon. 460 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: You're fucking hilarious. And you know what I think too, 461 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 3: So much of Scandal that I think was so what 462 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: made it the genius term TV Heaven was I also think, 463 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, Jeff was such a leader for you guys listening. 464 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: I mean, Carrie was obviously our number one, She's the 465 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: best number one in the business. But Jeffy, coming from 466 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: Ensemble Studio, I mean Ensemble theater Land, was the great 467 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: joiner of Like you know, we had a writer's dinner 468 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: every year where the actors took the writers to dinner, 469 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: and Jeff would always start by making a rousing speech. 470 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: You know that was like beautiful and theatrical and filled 471 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: with gratitude for the writers who from what I hear 472 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: reasons that never happens like that never happens where the 473 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: actors take the writers out and thank them. And then 474 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: you know, if we were at you know, Linda and 475 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: Jeff would host for years these like Sunday potluck hangs 476 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: at their house where we would watch the episode and 477 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: like draft up our tweets, and Jeff would like say, 478 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: you know, you were just so the like you were 479 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: kind of like our artistic director in a way, like 480 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 3: the ensemble, you know what I mean, you were such 481 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: a leader and you were such a like you know, 482 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: and I think it comes from your theater background. And 483 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 3: then I think, not coincidentally, I think so many of 484 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 3: us were theater people who also felt that the health 485 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: of the ensemble was more important than any one person's 486 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: you know, storyline or you know whatever. And it just 487 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: always felt like we were on this TV heaven group 488 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: of players. 489 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: It was the best yet, and Shonda already had evidenced 490 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: all that, and it would just continue where wherever it 491 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: made sense she got. She would repeat these relationships, I know, 492 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: you know. 493 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean it's crazy the amount of 494 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: people that had been on all of her other shows already. 495 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: I can't take this episode. 496 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 5: It is so sad, it's so sad, and it's got 497 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 5: so Yeah, like I said, it's just got so many, 498 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 5: so many things beautifully put into it. 499 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. We Jeff, 500 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 3: have you ever done? We always do six degrees of horror? 501 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 4: Gee? 502 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: Has Jeff done horror? 503 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: Funny? You should ask, Katie Funny. You should ask because 504 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: it's not quite a horror film. Although some folks, some 505 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: nasty folks out there, would dare say that the lead 506 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: actress's performance was horrific, not I, of course, Jeff has 507 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: done a thriller film with an icon that I have 508 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: tattooed all over my body called Body of Evidence. 509 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 510 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: And Jeff was in this movie and in one of 511 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: the most iconic scenes in the elevator with Madonna, Willem Dafoe, 512 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and Jeff Perry's in that elevator as Madonna on zips 513 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: Willem Dafoe's zipper to play with his wee wee while 514 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: everyone is in the elevator. 515 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: True, yes, yes, yes, Jeff, So Jeff know about. 516 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: Yes, So Jeff did a movie called Body of Evidence 517 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: with Madonna, Willem Dafoe, Joe Montaigna. Right, I believe? And 518 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: may I also point out that Jeff's birthday is August sixteen, 519 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five. Madonna's birthday is August sixteen, and she's 520 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: like three years younger than you. I believe. Can you 521 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: believe you have the same birthday as Madonna? Oh my? 522 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Did you know that? 523 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 524 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: You're welcome, Jeff, you are welcome. 525 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: You are bested. 526 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: In this episode, we have ever done the fact that 527 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: we are having a Madonna horror Jeff Perry cross over 528 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: a moment my brain is about to explode off my back. 529 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was possible. 530 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: Julianne Moore was in that movie. Jeff tell Us, just 531 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: really quick your thoughts on what that experience was like, 532 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: you know that. 533 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Was that was all amazing. Madonna was at, you know, 534 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: a height of fame. But you know an early acting 535 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: gig and beautiful actor named Stan Shaw and I were 536 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: like gargoyle lawyers. 537 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Yes, you know that's the perfect at the at the end. 538 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: Of either side of a table or something like that. Anyway, 539 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: weeks into it, it feels like in my. 540 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: Memory Houlli Eedle was his name. 541 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and he's moving people around for a shot. 542 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: Then you go, you go here, and he looks at 543 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: me and he goes the background. 544 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: You go, you go, oh hell yeah, yeah yeah. 545 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: So we shoot the we shoot this little scene and 546 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: Stan is fucking hilarious. You know where we're where we're 547 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: going out to, you know, sit down somewhere, and he's like, 548 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: oh my god, oh oh, pary background. 549 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 6: Oh, Perry background, Parry, put him, put him, put him 550 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 6: in any scene. He fade red and little little director 551 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 6: know how freaking iconic. 552 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: One of the best actors in the world. 553 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: Anyway, that made me very very happy, oh that you 554 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: were in that movie. And also just and really quickly, 555 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: let's let's also mention that Jeff was in an iconic 556 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: show called My So Called Life where it was one 557 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: of the first TV shows I believe in the eighties, 558 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: right that that wrote respectfully for a gay character. Wilson 559 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: Cruz played a gay character named Ricky, and it was 560 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: sort of the first time that there was, uh, you know, 561 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: just a respect around the writing and a care and 562 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: a thoughtfulness. And Jeff played the teacher, right, Jeff, were 563 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: you the teacher? Yes, you played Richard Kotimski the teacher. Yeah. 564 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 3: Jordan Catalano making out in the boiler room literally changed 565 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: my life. 566 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: Was that a show? 567 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: Yes? 568 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that show. 569 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: Claire Danes and Jared Letto, two of the biggest actors 570 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: of our time, are from that show when they were kids. Like, 571 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: it was unbelievable. I'm trying to think if there's anything 572 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: else that we didn't touch before. 573 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: Some of the great scenes in this episode was Abby 574 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: and Rosen, Like when Abby's trying to find out what 575 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: is going on with you? Rosen, I'm your girlfriend, Like 576 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: I love you. What happens happens to me. That was 577 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: some great Those were some great. 578 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Scenes were great, Yes, so so so great. 579 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: And Quinn and Charlie going to the guy to blackmail 580 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: him to take the fall for the for the carjacking. 581 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: That was a hot scene that shot from below and 582 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Georgia pointing the gun. You look so hot in that scene, Katie. 583 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: I loved its. 584 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: Ge Then also a fun fact Rowan's death. He talks 585 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: a lot in this episode about his death responsibility and 586 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: it's wrong. He says that he was ordered to kill 587 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty three people individually, but he also 588 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: ordered fits to take down Flight five twenty two, which 589 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: held three hundred and twenty nine people, So in actuality, 590 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: Rowan's death responsibility is five hundred and twelve. So the 591 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: scandal researcher missed that. And then Jeffy, you had Twitter 592 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: at the time when we did this show, right, yeah, 593 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: we all had to. 594 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: So have you guys talked probably in the last two years, 595 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: you have kind of how Twitter became a thing. Right 596 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: at the beginning of our episode? Oh yeah, oh yeah, 597 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: of our season. Yeah, yeah, here's what I remember, correct me, 598 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: I think Carrie, she said, Look, so I worked on 599 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: both of Barack Obama's campaigns, and I learned a lot 600 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: about social media and I kind of loved it. And 601 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: when I first read scandal, I was like, oh my god, 602 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: this is dependent on you know, ten surprises per week 603 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: and what we call appointment television versus no, I'm gonna 604 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: take it and I'll watch it whenever I want. Appointment 605 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: television was almost disappeared. And she said, I think we 606 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: could make this sort of water cooler, watch it on 607 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 2: the night, and Twitter would really help that. And we've 608 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: got to get Jeff Perry to learn how to do Twitter, 609 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 2: you know, or whatever, you know. And all took to it, 610 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: and we kind of hated it a little, and then 611 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: we kind of liked it. And then it was like, 612 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: oh shit, this is keeping us alive. Yes, let's do 613 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: our jobs. 614 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 3: Let's keep our jobs. Maybe we really like this job. 615 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: But I think I think Kerrie went to Shonda real 616 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: quick and said, they'll already find me to be a 617 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: bossy pants. Let's not make it worse, Shanda, will you 618 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 2: say it to your idea? And I think that's how 619 00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 2: it happened. 620 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 621 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: That's how it happened. And we have we read some 622 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: tweets of the time every episode, because it's a real 623 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: nice time capsule for what the gladiators were feeling at 624 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 3: the time that it aired. And we are going to 625 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: read some and I'm going to bet that some of 626 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 3: them are about you, maybe or we'll see you. Maybe 627 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: they're talking about Oh my god, this is hilarious. Jimmy 628 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: Kimmel Live tweeted on March twenty, twenty fourteen, a new 629 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 3: episode of our telenovela Acan with Jimmy Giermo in the 630 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 3: cast of Scandal Tonight on Kimmel. And there's a picture 631 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: of Escandolo, which do you remember doing that? I barely 632 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: remember that, Jeff, did you? 633 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 2: I remember well that we went to his studio. 634 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we wed this. We shot like high school. 635 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 3: Like oh yes, we shot in telen novella for Jimmy Kimmel, 636 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 3: as like little sketches that he would air like on 637 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: Thursday nights. 638 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and I played like high school like 639 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: sweet hearts. Katie. 640 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: Do you remember that? So yeah, yeah, I totally totally 641 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: totally remember that. 642 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm looking at a picture where. 643 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 3: Oh, you have a beret on? Why the fuck is 644 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 3: just wearing a beret? 645 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: And it looks like I have ear rings. 646 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: Do you have any recollection of that job? 647 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 2: No, I kind of do now, I kind of do that. 648 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 2: There were these funny little sketches. 649 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, Okay, we also have at Pawnee God 650 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 3: back to back. Champs tweeted, I legit have no idea 651 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: how scandal is going to fit all that's supposed to 652 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: happen tonight in forty five ish minutes. Oh my fucking go. 653 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: And then Chrissy at Underscore. Chrissy tweeted, Preparing myself death 654 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: by Shonda Is on the Horizon hashtag scandal. You could 655 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: say that again. 656 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 3: I know with this episode was death, people were really 657 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 3: freaking stressed. We were all so stressed. I mean, we 658 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 3: didn't know who was going to die either. Oh there's 659 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 3: a cute picture of me at Young Hollywood tweeted Quinn 660 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 3: is officially fave hashtag Gladiator after hanging with at Katie 661 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 3: q Low's from Scandal. Don't miss it at ten pm MONEYBC. 662 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 3: I have no recollection of doing that show. You look 663 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 3: so good cute? Okay, look how long it is. 664 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: Fitz m Wang tweeted, damn you, Scott Polly, why do 665 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: you keep getting hotter each time you appear on screen. 666 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: It's becoming impossible to hate you. Wow, damn, I know. 667 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: And I remember how quickly that the Goldwin and uh 668 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 2: uh Scott were especially picked on because they're genetic freaks. Yes, 669 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 2: I guess who's gonna get naked most. 670 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 3: Yes, you had to get fully naked. Had to get 671 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 3: fully naked a lot in that that the biggest fight 672 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 3: scene ever, that was like nine minutes long. It was 673 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: unbelievable know that. 674 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: Oh that scene was nuts. And we wore little peeni pouches, 675 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 2: okay guys, uh so that the camera could make it 676 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: seem like, you know, we're completely naked. And I think 677 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 2: mine fell off in the middle of the scene and 678 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 2: they had to tell me that that happened because I 679 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: was having too much fun right a scene. 680 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 3: There's an pitch you were in, a fever pitch of 681 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: like acting the shit out of the scene, and it's like, dude, 682 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: your banana hammock fell off, and you're like, oh shit, 683 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: it did. Peenie pouch I have not yet heard, and 684 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 3: peenie pouch from here on out will be. 685 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: What it is forever. Soa peenie pouches and. 686 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: People were really stressed that Glorious Glower tweeted only one 687 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: more sleep until I could find out hashtag who got shot? 688 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: That was the hashtag, you guys, the hashtag was got shot. 689 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 3: My money's on David Rosen dot dot dot Shonda Rhymes 690 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 3: just can't let him win hashtag scandal Jeff, you are 691 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 3: the absolute greatest. Will you please come on the Scandal 692 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 3: Rewatch podcast. I'm packing the two bucks again because you have. 693 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 3: We are only in season three and it has been 694 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: killing us to even pick what would be worthy of 695 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: the Cyrus scenes and episodes. 696 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: We haven't Katie, we haven't even touched on Jeff Perry's 697 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: acting process, like his process on set, which was epic, 698 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: and people would just let him do his thing, but 699 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: we we we have to have you on because there's 700 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: so much more to talk about. 701 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 3: I remember, is you doing your memorization thing that you 702 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 3: have wonderful actress daughter Zoe Perry taught you, which was 703 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 3: you would write the first letter of every single word 704 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 3: of a sentence over on the side margin of the 705 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: piece of page. And I don't know why that helped you, 706 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 3: but it did. 707 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for some reason. You know, with most people 708 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: supposedly it helps the accuracy. So you've got scandal podcast 709 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: recordings and you write SPR and you go back and 710 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 2: forth visually from the full words to the SPR and 711 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: then you can do it off the code and then 712 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: you know, da da da. 713 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Pedro Pascal, that actor, that 714 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: wonderful actor, just did an interview. It's all over the 715 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: internet where he does the same thing for his memorization 716 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: and that's the only way he memorizes things, and it's 717 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 1: it's it works. 718 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 3: Well. He's really good friends with your daughter. 719 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: Oh easy, Yes he is. He is. 720 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 3: Oh man, Joe, it was so amazing to have you on, Jeff. 721 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 3: I cannot thank you enough. I love you so much. 722 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 3: Cyrus is and forever will be one of the best 723 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: all time television characters in television history. And someone needs 724 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 3: to put that in the Television Academy Museum or whatever. 725 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: Not the right out, but say that again. 726 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 3: I'm so great. 727 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: We're going to all be. We're going to all be 728 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: in a Fourth of July float soon. Remind and remind people. 729 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 2: I don't know if you liked it, but we're still 730 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: in love. 731 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: We still love everybody, all of us on a float 732 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: I love that, Still in love and. 733 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: Next up episode again three fifteen. Mama said, knock you out, gladiators, 734 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: stick with us. We are in the midst of season 735 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 3: three and as if he didn't think it could get crazier, 736 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 3: this is one of the craziest episodes and it's still 737 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get crazier. So thank you, stay tuned and 738 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: listen up. Love you, Jeffy, you do. 739 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: Love you guys very much. 740 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. 741 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, 742 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: or leave us a review. 743 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea, 744 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 3: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. 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