1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: We got beat. Welcome Bird Gang on Today Show. Paul 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: calbyc joins me, Yeah, those three words by Kyler Murray 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: pretty much sum up what happened or what didn't happen 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: Sunday against the Rams. The Cardinals got bet on offense, 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: they got beat on defense, and they got bet on 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: special teams. Plus we hear the postgame comments from Dennis Gardek. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven oh four, and it 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: starts now. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai Crowd, partner of 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: dot com, Slash podcasts. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: He's a ten half of five. He's it again? 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: So more Harry Magic. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig Grioloud. 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: Well, would you look at that? The Prodigal Sun has returned. 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: We have found Paul Calvic after missing in action the 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: previous two weeks, and lo and behold, Paul, you come 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: back to a thirty seven fourteen loss to your favorite 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: NFC West team not named the Seattle Seahawks. The Los 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Angeles Rams led by Sean McVay. 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: See, I told you when I asked for a show 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: of hands, who's sick and tired of Sean McVay. Anyone 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: who didn't immediately vault their arms straight to the sky. Okay, 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: you're part of the problem around here, stinking' Sean McVay. 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: Just tired of this guy coaching up American his super 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: commercials come into the az winning every time since twenty fourteen. 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: I know I've had enough of Sean McVay tis this 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: season to do something about that next season in these 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: LA rams, And yeah, I apologize. The last two Mondays 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: there was a trickle down effect. I had to save 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: wolfs Keister over on the flagship station and so you know, 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: believe me, believe me much rather be over here at 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: the esteem Craig griolou not quite venerable, not yet, but esteemed. 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: We'll go with that. 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. So you save Wolf anyway, you know 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: how to save what's ailing the Arizona Cardinals, specifically on offense, 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: because yes, for the first time this season, I think 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: we can all agree that it wasn't just the offense, 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: but it was the offense, the defense the special teams, 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: all three phases for the first time. Just we're not 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: working for one reason or another. But three games into 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's season, this is his week three. It's week 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: twelve for everyone else, but week three, and it was 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: not good. And we've now seen back to back weeks 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: in which it has not looked good. And that's not 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: just me saying that, Paul, that's Kyler Murray himself saying 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: it was not good football. 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Well, which offense are we talking about? Are we talking 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: about the offense we saw on the first drive or 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: the offense we saw the rest of the game, in 54 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: particular the eight cardinal possessions between touchdowns that netted you 55 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: fifth d four yards on twenty nine plays. Because if 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: we're talking about the first possession, twelve play, seventy five 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: yards under center five times correct, four carries to James Connor, yep, 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: you're talking about a balanced offense. You're talking about a 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: dynamic offense that had the Rams defense on its heels. 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: He had a little bit of everything in that opening drive. 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: I think it's everything we envision with Kyler Murray. Come 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: for the arms, stay for the legs. He finishes it 63 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: off with a two yard touchdown run. The Rams defensive 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: front looking be fuddled, which way do we go? Which 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: way do we go? And then all of a sudden, 66 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: the Cardinals got away from that, and got away from 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: it in a large way. Kyler Murray didn't get loose. 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Did he have another rushing attempt the rest of the game. 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: He did not, just the one rushing attempts and that 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: was the touchdown run. 71 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: So he tried to beat the Rams from the pocket, 72 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: and he tried to beat the Rams minus a run game, 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: minus a balanced offense. James Connor got two carries the 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: rest of the game. I mean, you're watching everything Kyraen 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Williams did for the Rams, James Conner is most definitely 76 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: capable of doing for the Cardinals. Run it, catch it, 77 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: run over people, run pass people, keep a defense on 78 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: its heels, average almost nine yards of carry. What Kyraen 79 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 3: Williams did, That's definitely James Connor in pass games against 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: the Rams. He's had big games against LA So yeah, 81 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: that's the part of it that probably sticks with me most. 82 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily the executioner lack thereof. It was more 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: of the philosophy as to what works so well in 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 3: the opening possession, And why wasn't you know in the NFL, 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: if it's all about do it till another team stops it, 86 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: It's almost like the Cardinals did it to themselves. In 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: some ways, you're exactly right, because if it's working on 88 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: that first possession, then you just keep going back to it, 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: because the Rams were doing exactly that with Kyen Williams 90 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: or Royce Freeman. Yet you didn't see that after that 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: initial drive. In the words of Kyler Murray, things just 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: quote went downhill from there. The question that we're all 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: left with on this Monday is why what happened five 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: times under center on that first possession only three more 95 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: times the rest of the game for Kyler Murray and 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: you brought it up two carries for James Connor the 97 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 3: rest of the game, only one carry in the entire 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: second half. It just it boggles the mind a lot, 99 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: because it was the perfect first possession. Twelve plays, four 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: plays of twelve or more yards. There was a third 101 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: and seven converted on that play. You saw James Connor 102 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: touch the ball the first four plays of that drive, 103 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: and then the very next possession three pass plays out 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: of the shotgun. You go three and out, and then 105 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: the next possession another three and out, a deep shot 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: to Hollywood Brown underthrown, nice play by Jordan Fuller, and 107 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 3: then Murray gets sacked. And anytime you play from behind 108 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: the sticks, that's when the offense bogs down. And if 109 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: you can't sustain drives, you're not getting enough plays. As 110 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon mentioned postgame, to get touches to a James 111 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: Connor and everyone else on that offense. It's almost like 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: you went into an offense that you would down three scores. 113 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: We have to throw it and throw it every down. 114 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: We don't have any time left to run it. Well. No, 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: it was still a one score game until late in 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: the first half. It was still a two possession game. 117 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Midway through the third quarter, when it was twenty four 118 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: to eight, you know, they had the field goal yelled 119 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: to Froholt was imploring the sideline and saying, look, guys, 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: it's a two possession game. 121 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 4: Let's go. 122 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: So it's not like the game got really out of 123 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: hand where it would necessitate or mandate you had to 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: go to the air exclusively. That didn't happen until much 125 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: later in the game. So that's what was a little 126 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: but funneling, especially if you're of the opinion that the 127 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: best way to neutralize and Aaron Donald, who opens up 128 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: so much for the rest of the guys in that 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: defensive line, like a Kobe Bryant right or Kobe Turner. 130 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 3: Was Kobe Turner and I'm thinking of the nickel corner 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: for the Seattle Seahawks. That guy had a big game 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: ninety one. And so if your philosophy going is we're 133 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: gonna go right at Aaron Donald, well why go to 134 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: the air with such frequency and allow for that Rams 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: defensive line to pin their ears back. 136 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: That first half, the Cardinals had one hundred and two 137 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: total yards, but just twenty nine after that opening drive. 138 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray looked great on that first drive, completed his 139 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: first five pass attempts, finished the first half though, three 140 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: of twelve, and overall forty five pass attempts. To me, 141 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: and I don't even care who you are, whether it's 142 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, forty five 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: pass attempts is too many and that doesn't signal a 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: balanced offense. Even if you're scoring a bunch of points. 145 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: That number needs to be in the thirties and you'd 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: like to see your running attack have thirty eight ten 147 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: or so, or at least in the twenties, Cardinals only 148 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: ran the ball fifteen times, but they got away from 149 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: that run early in the game. 150 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: So in the absence of information, we get speculation. Here 151 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: we go three two one. That first drive that works 152 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: so well. Was that a byproduct or the Cardinals scripting 153 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: the first fifteen plays or so? Is that that's typically 154 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: what the Cardinals do. They will script the first fifteen 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: or so plays. So that's something you formulated earlier in 156 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: the week. Now the rest of the game that was 157 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: in real time. Those were play calls between Drew Petsing 158 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: and or Kyler Murray changing at the line of scrimmage. 159 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: He's been given a lot of latitude and leeway to 160 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: run his own offense. He saw Matthew Stafford do a 161 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: lot of that, by the way, and that's something the 162 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: Cardinals defensive players will tell you. Those guys have gone 163 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: against Matthew Stafford multiple times. He is excellent at two things. 164 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: One getting into the right play by assessing your defense, 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: and then two post snap, knowing exactly where he wants 166 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: to go with the ball. And he saw that does 167 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: he have the mobility, No, but he still has the 168 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: arm talent. Stavers Staw has the arm angles we saw 169 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: at different times. So Kyler Murray, if indeed he was 170 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: given a lot of leeway in running the offense and 171 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 3: checking into plays based on rams defensive looks, did the 172 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: Rams do things defensively to result in Kyler checking into 173 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: plays where he would stay in the pocket, try and 174 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: beat him with his arm instead of his legs, instead 175 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: of going for a James Connor. I mean, that's the 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: only thing I can think of, is a that opening 177 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: possession was scripted be the rest of the game. At 178 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: least those next eight possessions were more in real time, 179 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: and maybe there was a sense of urgency to frequently 180 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: go to the air. All I know it was fourteen 181 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: to eight. Cardinals got the ball and it was that 182 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: first intent at the twenty five, and it was a 183 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: deep shot to Hollywood Brown that Kyler Murray missed. That's 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: been a repeating, repetitive theme throughout the year. And Kyler 185 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: Murray pointed right to himself, pointed right to his shoulder 186 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: pad said that's on me, that's on me. And then 187 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: at the end of that drive, he came over to 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 3: the sideline. He started talking immediately to the equipment guys 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: and showing him his head sort of flexing, and you know, 190 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: and then they gave him a towel. And I don't 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: know if there was like his old baseball days, if 192 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: there's some pine tar on that towel. I don't know 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: what it had to do with grip, and you know, 194 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: and then and then all of a sudden, there was 195 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: a heating pad involved. So I asked Jonathan Gannon about 196 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: it after the game, just was there something going on 197 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: with his grip of the football, And he said something 198 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: along the lines that he likes it humid. You heard 199 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: the interview as well. I didn't quite get that. I 200 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: guess it has said something to do with maybe attacking 201 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: us on the. 202 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Football, some something that would be able to hold that 203 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: ball a little bit tighter. I don't know if the 204 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: roof was open, maybe. 205 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: Color, temperatures, roof open, Did it change the field of football? 206 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: That's something that Chase Field deals with once upon a time. 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: Kurt Shilling didn't like the roof open. It's I again, 208 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: without information, you're left to speculation, and that's what we're 209 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: doing here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hundai, probably 210 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, because it did not look 211 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: good and it has not looked good since that game 212 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: against the Falcons. Kyle the Murray talked about growing pains 213 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: as far as it's his third game. Yet I do 214 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: applaud him a couple of different reasons or a couple 215 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: of different instances. One is what happened during the game 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: and his ability or staying in the pocket, whether it 217 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: was his decision or the Rams decision to box him 218 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: in and force him to beat them from the pocket 219 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: to throw the football, much like we saw a week 220 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: ago CJ. Stroud beat the Cardinals from inside the pocket, 221 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford beating the Cardinals from inside the pocket? Is 222 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: that something Kyler Murray is capable of doing or giving 223 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: his mobility, do you have to move him around, slide 224 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: that pocket, have him roll out a little bit more 225 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: to buy some extra time, give him some better sight lines. 226 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: Is he capable from beating a team within that pocket? 227 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: And I applaud him for trying it. It just didn't 228 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: work on Sunday because based on the eyeball. 229 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: Test, you can agree or disagree, and I know you 230 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: will the Atlanta game, there were a lot more af rolls, boots, waggles, 231 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: getting him on the move, moving that pocket then we 232 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: saw in the Houston game. I remember vividly. We talked 233 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 3: about that after the game and all last week leading 234 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: after the Rams game, and there was an absence of 235 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: that against the Rams as well. You didn't see him 236 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: on the move nearly as much. And it was interesting 237 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: pregame an hour or so before kickoff, passion Wolf join 238 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: us on the pregame huddle and passionately that was one 239 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: of the big questions he had in his opinion for 240 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. Can he be a quarterback that beats you 241 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: from the pocket? That being the case, was there an 242 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: extra emphasis on that in this game for the point 243 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: of evaluation, for the point of growth, was that by 244 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: design on purpose, to see what Kyler Murray can do 245 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: from the pocket? I mean, I think everyone would agree 246 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: his athleticism and the legs coming back eleven months after 247 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: ACL and meniscus surgery has been remarkable in terms of 248 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: the athleticism and the escapability. He looks every bit like 249 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, the pro bowler we saw his first four years. 250 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: I'm shocked. I'm still shocked. He looks this good, this athletic, 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: this quick. So now, okay, you advanced In the next question, 252 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: can he be a pocket quarterback? Why was he taking 253 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: number one? Not because he's a running quarterback who can throw, 254 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: because he's a passing quarterback who can run. Now can 255 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: he beat you from the pocket? So was there an 256 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: extra emphasis on on this aspect of his game in 257 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: this particular game to see how he fared? And then 258 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: if you're taking these last eight games of the Cardinal season, 259 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's trial run here, and if it's all about 260 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: evaluation and you're still in the evaluation phase of this 261 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: roster top to bottom, the rebuild, the reset is on 262 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's most definitely part of that process. 263 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: We had a question on Cardinal Talk about how do 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: you evaluate Kyler Murray based off of three games and 265 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: one I said, you had to wait until the entire 266 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: season was complete. So this eight games of Kyler Murray's 267 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: career or I should say his season. And then Rob 268 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: Frederickson was working with me on Cardinal Talk, brought this 269 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: up because it's not so much the end results, how 270 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: many wins, how many losses, but evaluating Kyler Murray when 271 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: you look at the film, is he won, does he 272 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: have the proper footwork? Is he making the proper decisions? 273 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: Is he throwing the ball to where he is supposed 274 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: to go? Forget whether it's caught or not. Is he 275 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: making the right read? And then is the ball on time? 276 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Is it underthrown, is it overthrown? Is it short? Is 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: it too long? So you can evaluate despite the fact 278 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: that maybe the numbers individually don't look good or the 279 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: record does not look good, but is Kyler Murray doing 280 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: within this offense, what the coaches want him to do, 281 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: what he's being taught And again, this is a brand 282 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: new offensive system. It's just unfortunate because we were spoiled 283 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: that first game against the Falcons, like, Wow, this is great. 284 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: What are we going to see next week? Instead, it's 285 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: been a downhill turn since the Falcons game and Kyler 286 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Murray again. The other instances which I was impressed was 287 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: what he had to say postgame, because as disappointing as 288 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: fans have been over these last two weeks, Kyler Murray quote, 289 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm staying positive, later added I'm not discouraged at all 290 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: by it. And from his standpoint, Paul I applauded. Again, 291 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: it's only three games, but for everyone else this is 292 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: twelve games. You're two to ten and it's hard for 293 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: a fan base, maybe even for some of those guys 294 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: in the locker room, to stay positive when you don't 295 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: have those wins, to kind of validate what you are 296 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: doing during the week Monday through Saturday. To have that 297 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: result on Sunday, no. 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: Doubt, and everyone is being evaluated. Marco Wilson didn't play 299 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: a single defensive snap. That's remarkable, right. I mean, you 300 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: had Starling Thomas, he had Devad Wilson, a practice squad 301 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: player the entirety of this season. You are going to 302 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: get an opportunity. If you earn that opportunity, key Troll 303 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: Clark back in the lineup. But as for Kyler Murray, 304 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: for example, when it comes to decision making, all that 305 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: all those boxes you want him to check the rob 306 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: Frederickson listed, I think we're on display to some degree. 307 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: On that fourth and two at the forty eight, right 308 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: after the two minute warning in the first half, Kyler 309 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: Murray had James Conner in the flat, didn't go that direction. 310 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: Now there was a defender out there as well, kinda 311 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: would have had to make that guy miss or power 312 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: through him to pick up the first down. On fourth 313 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: and two, Rondale Moore was underneath at one level, and 314 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: then Trey McBride, who appeared to be open for a 315 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: hot moment. Was that pass a little late? Where was 316 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: the decision he went through his reads? 317 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: Okay? 318 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: Did he arrive at eighty five a little too late 319 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: because there was a man there to obviously knock the 320 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: ball away? If you look, this is a remarkable stat 321 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: to me on this Rams defense. They had ten pass breakups. 322 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: They had ten pass deflections. I'm not exactly sure what 323 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: the norm is, but to me that tells me one 324 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: of two things, or maybe both both. Kyler is thrown 325 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: into traffic or Kyler is throwing late too often for 326 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: the Rams to have ten pass deflections in a single game, 327 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: one of their corners had four. Two other corners had 328 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: to apiece if I remember right. Taking a quick look 329 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: at the stat page, So what does that say about 330 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: a pass game? And look, some of the best pass 331 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: games do what they get it out quickly. There's just 332 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: a quick decision. You find the open man, you stress 333 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: a defense to create separation. So if this is if 334 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 3: this is a process, and it is. It didn't Kyler 335 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: say as much after the game that you know, there's 336 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: some growing pains associated with a brand new scheme, and 337 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: there's a lot of aspects, you know, within the scheme, 338 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: like the footwork that are brand new to one period. 339 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: Forget the verbiage, forget the x's and o's. I wonder 340 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: if some of it is manifesting itself, this process, this 341 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: learning process and being a little late and getting the 342 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: ball to certain spots and how much better can that get? 343 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: How much more quickly between now and the end of 344 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: the season five games to go. That's something that I 345 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: definitely have my eye on. That's subjective to some degree, 346 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: but okay, how quickly is he assessing, reading, diagnosing, because 347 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: in the Atlanta game that win, he seemed to be quick. 348 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: It really seemed to be spot on. But what's the difference. 349 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: There's game film out there now of Kyler Murray in 350 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: this offense, and there are some really talented defensive coordinators 351 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: out there, starting with Demiko Ryans and Matt Burke who 352 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: knew Kyler really well, who may be put on film. Okay, 353 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: this is a defensive game plan against Kyler Murray and 354 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: until he beats it all these other teams, they always 355 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: look at the last four games. They're going to see 356 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 3: that in film and it's going to be replicated to 357 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: some degree. 358 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: I had not realized ten passes defense on Sunday. Now 359 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: you always hear quarterbacks throwing receivers open. Are they catching 360 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: the ball on the run? But ten passes defense, Yeah, 361 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: there are some good dbs in the league, but that's 362 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: a large number. To your point, Paul, maybe those receivers 363 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: aren't either where they're supposed to be, or the ball 364 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: is getting there late, allowing the defender to catch up 365 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: to be there, or these receivers having to wait for 366 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: the football because that's what Hollywood Brown has had to 367 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: do a number of times on these deep shots, is 368 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: wait for the football because it's under thrown. 369 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: CJ. 370 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: Stroud was a master at that. You know, everyone you 371 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: talked about CJ. Stride. What do you see on film? 372 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: You see the accuracy, You see the anticipation getting it 373 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: to guys in stride so they can get yards after catch. 374 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: You went into that Houston game against the Texans and 375 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: they had led the league in that yards after catch category. 376 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: Anybody who watched ASU against U of A. And you 377 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: saw U Ofa's quarterback, Fafita, whatever that kid's name is. Man, 378 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: that kid put it on the money in stride. There's 379 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: a reason he had over five hundred yards passing because 380 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: every U of A receiver caught it in stride and 381 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: was able to immediately turn up field. That is critical 382 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: in a game of football, where separation, especially in the NFL, 383 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: can be just a few inches. You have to be 384 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: on the money. And ten pass deflection says to me 385 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: either A the accuracy wasn't there, or B too many 386 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: passes were late, or c Hey, maybe your your receivers 387 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: aren't doing a good enough job of getting separation. You 388 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: don't have a lot of size at receiver right now. 389 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: A couple of those deep shots to the sideline that 390 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: are intended for Greg Dortch and Rondell Moore, that's a 391 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: high degree of difficulty. You don't have a receiver who's 392 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: tall who can climb the ladder and snag that at 393 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 3: the sideline. You know, when you have the dB between 394 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: you and the ball and the sideline and that guy's 395 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: already bigger than you are, it's doubtful you're gonna come 396 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 3: down with that graph. 397 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: No Michael Wilson once again his second straight game missed. 398 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: Zach Pascal was active, he wasn't even targeted, only played 399 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: seven offensive snaps. There's the other tall receiver that the 400 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals have. And then when you don't have a good offense, 401 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: in Gannon's words, quote, you're putting pressure on the defense 402 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: and stay at the game a little bit better. And 403 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: that brings us to what we saw a very difficult 404 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: watch as far as the defense trying to tack Kyraen Williams, 405 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: who now in two games Paul one hundred and fifty 406 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: eight rushing yards followed by one hundred and forty three 407 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: rushing yards. He is averaging almost eight and a half 408 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: yards a carry in two games against the Cardinals. 409 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: Ouch. 410 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: Well, that's why we said last week, of course he's 411 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: coming off the injured list in time for this game, 412 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: because there are certain fits in certain matchups, and this 413 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: rams against Cardinals one for Kyen Williams is definitely that one. 414 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: He not only did it running the ball, he did 415 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: it catching the ball six for sixty one on six targets, 416 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: two touchdowns, over two hundred scrimmage yards, and he was 417 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: breaking tackles. Then he brought in Royce Freeman two hundred 418 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: and thirty plus pounds a running back. He was trucking everyone, 419 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: including Buddha Baker on one big run thirteen carries seventy 420 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 3: seven yards in a touchdown. It was a physical run game. 421 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: It was a run game that really specialized in that 422 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: crack toss again, you know the quick toss boom. See 423 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: if they can get to the perimeter and then stoke 424 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: it a lot like the forty nine ers. And I 425 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: say this on the air, Craig, Cardinals as a defensive 426 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: unit is a front seven. They're gonna have to figure 427 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: out how to fit that scheme, fit that run game 428 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: because they see it four times a year between the 429 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: Niners and the Rams. They see a lot of this 430 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: this crack toss, a lot of motion, a lot of 431 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: eye candy, and then here it comes. Can we get 432 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: to the perimeter and if we're not getting to the 433 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: edge and you have you have contained to the outside, 434 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: We're gonna cut this thing north and find a crease 435 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: at an angle. And obviously Christian McCaffrey killed the Cardinals 436 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 3: in the one matchup running a lot of the similar 437 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 3: run plays that you saw Kieron Williams have success at. 438 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: If you show you can't stop it, they'll continue to 439 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: run it over and over and over again. Now the 440 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: flip side is why don't Cardinals do that? Going back 441 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: to our original conversation about that opening drive, But the 442 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: Rams had four explosive runs ten or more yards, and 443 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: those four explosive runs totaled one hundred and seventeen of 444 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: the two hundred and twenty eight yards on the ground. 445 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: And it was the worst effort by that defense as 446 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: far as season high in points, total yards, and rushing 447 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: yards allowed. A lot of that, though, is because the 448 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: offense wasn't holding up their endo the bargain. But this 449 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: was a defensive effort that I don't think we've seen 450 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: to this extreme this season. 451 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: No sacks, right, No sacks for the first time all year. 452 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 3: So okay, and I get it for your top defensive 453 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: linemen are out and it's tough when you're down there 454 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: on the sideline and you see Antonio Hamilton coaching up 455 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 3: Starling Thomas. You'd like to have Antonio Hamilton in the game. 456 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: When you see Kaiser White coaching up Chris Barnes and 457 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: Josh Woods and he's in sweats, No Kaiser White the 458 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 3: quarterback of your defense, who really, along with Buddha Baker, 459 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: is the pulse of that defense. So that was probably 460 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: a bigger loss than a lot of guys are willing 461 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: to admit. And then and you saw Josh Woods in 462 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: coverage against Karen Williams got beat several times. It's a 463 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: tough cover for any insidelinebacker, there's no doubt. And then 464 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: you see Kevin Strong over there, and you know, and 465 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: Lucky fo two and these guys, and they're not in 466 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: the game. And there's only so many losses you can 467 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: suffer on the defensive side when it comes to personnel 468 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 3: and still be competitive the entirety of a game. But 469 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: zero sacks against Matthew Stafford, who's not known for his 470 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: mobility at this point in his career, that speaks how 471 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: quickly he was getting rid of the ball, just how 472 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 3: varied that Rams offense was. They did a really good 473 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: job of keeping the Cardinals on their heels. And when 474 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: the Cardinals did bring the blitz, and it was frequent 475 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: enough to be costly enough, Matthew Stafford made place he 476 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 3: was able to read and recognize and know exactly where 477 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: he's going with the ball. 478 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: There was that one blitz call. I believe it was 479 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson coming up the middle untouched, and it was 480 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: a great screen turned into a touchdown. And that's where 481 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: those the chess match between offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator 482 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: could be the perfect play call. But if you have 483 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: the perfect answer, as the Rams did, all of a sudden, 484 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: it goes against you. 485 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: If a Kaizer White is out there, and this is 486 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 3: the back and forth all the time. Okay, we've got 487 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: a trail blitz on with Jalen Thompson. No, wait a minute, 488 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Matthew Stafford recognizes that he's changed in 489 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: the play. What's he doing? Get out of it, nullify it, 490 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: you know, and you call it off. 491 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: You know. 492 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: That's some of the back and forth that you will 493 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: never know to what degree what might it have been 494 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: different if Kaiser White was still out there running the defense. 495 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals did have Dennis Gardak on the football field. He 496 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: accounted for two of the three quarterback hits that the 497 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: Cardinals were able to get on Matthew Stafford again, you 498 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: touched on it. No sacks for the first time this season, 499 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: and a Stafford quarterback who had been sacked twenty times 500 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: this season. But no pressure on the quarterback, you allow 501 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more. It becomes easier for that opposing 502 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: quarterback to dissect what you're doing in that secondary. But 503 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: I found it interesting and I applaud again. We're giving 504 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: several applauses here on Cardinals cover two. But it's never easy. 505 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: But after a loss, someone gets that tap on the 506 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: shoulder and to come over and speak to you, Paul 507 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: in the locker room. And I thought gard Deck won 508 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: team captain and in two what he had to tell you, 509 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: I thought was profound. And I give him all kinds 510 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: of credit for sitting there and really not sugarcoating anything 511 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: but just laying on the line. We got beat thirty 512 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: seven to fourteen. 513 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: That was a team captain sort of game, a team 514 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: captain's sort of loss where you're looking for someone to 515 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: speak on behalf of the team, and you start with 516 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: the team captains. And gard Deck is a guy who 517 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: will never run from the media. He will ask answer 518 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: the tough questions and he will have something meaningful to say, 519 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: and he delivered. Look, he was adamant on that sideline 520 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: in the second half, employing guys to continue to bring 521 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: the energy, the intensity the urgency too often in twenty 522 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: twenty two, we saw an absence of that in too 523 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: many games. I think this was really the first time 524 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: all year you could cite that as a factor at 525 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: times during the game. But once again there were certain 526 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: guys and now I work in that sideline and trying 527 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: to restore that what Dennis Gardet called the fight. And 528 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: so yeah, we asked him about that and a number 529 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: of other things. 530 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: For those that might have missed that postgame conversation, want 531 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: to play a little bit of that here on Cardinals 532 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: Cover two and the conversation that Paul had with Cardinals 533 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: linebacker Dennis Gardik just out of the gate. What stood 534 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: out the most about what happened, or maybe what didn't 535 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: happen against the Rams. 536 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: It starts and finishes with execution, just understanding the details 537 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 4: of our jobs and going out there and doing it. 538 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: Doing it. 539 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 4: Football is a real easy game, you know, made hard 540 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 4: by coaching. Is simply just to get us in the 541 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: best position to win our one on one matchups. And 542 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: it's our job to go out there and win our 543 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: one on one matchups. Comes down to execution. 544 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: So in your mind, how much of it was what 545 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 5: the Rams do today? How much of it was what 546 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 5: the Cardinals failed to do. 547 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 4: You know, our sports psychologists hit us in the offseason 548 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 4: and said, there's three enemies in any given battle. It's 549 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 4: first yourself, second the guys around you, and third the 550 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: actual opponent. And we fought all three of those today. 551 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: And Dennis, look, we all know it's a player's game, right, 552 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 5: I mean, you had three rookies in the secondary, you're 553 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: missing for your top defensive lineman, first game without the quarterback, 554 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: the defense guys are white. What sort of challenge is 555 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 5: that for any team? 556 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: It's the NFL next man up. There's there's no excuses. 557 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 4: You know, the standard is the standard. We're gonna go 558 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: out there. You have to play a game every single Sunday, 559 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 4: and you got to understand what your your numbers called 560 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 4: that you got to step up and there's there's one 561 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 4: standard a plane. 562 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 5: What'd you think of energy effort intensity today? 563 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: Uh, it was a little disappointing today. I feel like 564 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: I feel like we've prided ourselves on that that's kind 565 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: of been our calling call or calling card, and and 566 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 4: today it didn't feel like it was there. Just vibes 567 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: wise on the on the sideline, it didn't feel like 568 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 4: the normal Arizona Cardinals that has felt for eleven weeks prior. 569 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 5: Five games to go. What would you like to see, 570 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: especially out of these young guys, what's your it's gonna 571 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 5: be as one of the captains? 572 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 4: Fight? Fight, just desperation. You know, I'm gonna get whatever 573 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: I can. I'm gonna do whatever I can. I'm gonna 574 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 4: make my will imposed on my opponent. That's what I 575 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 4: want to see. 576 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Dennis gard Deak post game on Sunday, and you have 577 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: that fights over the last five games, and you talk 578 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: about an evaluation, Paul, it's not just the rest of 579 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: this season, but who's going to be here beyond this season? 580 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: And you can just hear it in Gardak's voice. Yeah, 581 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: the frustration, but more so the disappointment because there are 582 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: guys that you know will bring it each and every week, 583 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: and when your teammate doesn't share that or bring that 584 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: same level as you bring, then all of a sudden, 585 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't say finger pointing, but it's the disappointment 586 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Why 587 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: can't you? 588 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon has a category when he assesses especially defensive 589 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: linemen loafs right, you sort of took the playoff, or 590 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: he went through the motions, or you gave yourself a 591 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: breather and anticipation in the next player, the next drive. 592 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: And that's something that this coaching staff doesn't have a 593 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: high tolerance level four. So a lot of changes that 594 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: have been made, a lot of roster decisions that have 595 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: been made, I think have revolved a lot more around effort, intensity, urgency, 596 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: and the fight than most people realize. They're trying to 597 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: get their sort of players, and their sort of player 598 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: is the sort of is the player that brings that 599 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: sort of fight that we saw the first eleven games 600 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: of this season. So I'm guessing, based on the aftermath 601 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: of this game and the way Jonathan Gannon makes his 602 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: point on a Monday meeting, there's gonna be no lack 603 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: of fight against the Pittsburgh Steelers. If there is, there 604 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: will be immedia changes made on that sideline. 605 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: By the way, have you bothered to even take a 606 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: look at potentially what could be awaiting you Sunday in 607 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: the Steel City? 608 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: I have not. 609 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just wondering out loud. No, I have not, 610 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 1: Because this is by the way, this this begins, this 611 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: brutal descent stretch. I appreciate it at Pittsburgh, at Chicago, 612 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: at Philadelphia, come on, man. 613 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: And I mean Christmas even, New Year's Eve even, and 614 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: then the Christmas Eve is the late kick on the road. 615 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: I mean, Roger Goodell? Can somebody give me rog online too? 616 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 3: What's going on around here? I did see the what 617 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: it was the case state Iowa stay a game in 618 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: the snow, and I'm like, okay, please. I know those 619 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: type of snowstorms have a tendency to move west to east. 620 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: Let's hope that blows way past Pittsburgh by the time 621 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: we hit the weekend. I think it's supposed to. There's 622 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: a bit of rain in the forecast potentially, but Craig 623 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: knock on wood, you never really know until you get 624 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: to about Friday. I've learned over the years. Don't even 625 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: look at the stinking weather forecast until you get to Friday. 626 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: All right, we'll do that here as well. On Cardinals 627 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: cover two, presented by Hyundai, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 628 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: We cannot close up shop, and even in Paul's absence, 629 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: we have delivered the Angry Bird award even in Paul's absence, 630 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: and we try to highlight win or lose, who delivered 631 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: and who delivered on Sunday in that thirty seven to 632 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: fourteen LOSSA. 633 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: You know, I have a lot of respect for Key 634 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: Trell Clark, I really do. Things didn't go his way 635 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: about a month into the season and he lost his 636 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: starting gig. Then he lost all his playing time. He 637 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: was even inactive for a game. Correct, Key Trell Clark 638 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: came back with a vengeance. He tied for the team 639 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: lead in tackles. Now, that's not a great sign for 640 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: your defense. When a corner and a safety, In fact, 641 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 3: a corner and two safeties were your three leading tacklers. 642 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: Never a great sign. It's a reason why Kyraen Williams 643 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: had over two hundred scrimmage yards. But Key Trell Clark 644 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: to go out. There was six solo tackles, nine combined tackles. 645 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: He had a tackle for loss, a huge hit right, 646 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: a huge tackle for loss. It was third and ten 647 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: and he dropped the defensive he dropped the ball carry. 648 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: That was one of those eleven card pickup plays where 649 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: there are no down defensive linemen, what we call the 650 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: eleven card pickup. So that was third and ten, and 651 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: that was early second quarter if I have it right, No, 652 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: right before the end of the first quarter. Horn and 653 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: key Troll Clark. So for all that, and you know what, 654 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: I had a conversation with him recently at his locker, 655 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: and I don't think he'd mind me sharing that his 656 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: outlook on his rookie season. And these are his words, 657 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: not mine. Not everyone takes the elevator to the top. 658 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: Some people take the stairs. In other words, it was 659 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: taking him a little bit longer maybe to get where 660 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: he wants to be in his NFL career. But he's 661 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: a six round rookie. He doubled a lot of injuries 662 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: in his college career. He came out of the gates 663 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 3: and he earned some serious playing time from the get go. 664 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: At his struggles, you got to make your adjustments, you 665 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: got to get better. It looks like he's taken a 666 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: lot of that to heart. He's tried to improve his 667 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 3: own game, and he definitely brought the fight. I mean, 668 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: he came out there and he was hitting anything and 669 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: everything that moved, and even as a corner, you know, 670 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: going up against Poka Naku, and he had the size 671 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: advantage and obviously the ultra uber talented Cooper cups. So 672 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: for all that key troll, Clark earns our Angry Bird 673 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: Award for Week twelve, his. 674 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: First defensive snaps since Week six, and he exploded in 675 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: the offseason in training camp. No, Garrett Williams, So you 676 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: needed someone to step up and as a six round pick, 677 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: what are your expectations? Maybe not a lot of expectations, 678 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: but it was Clark who has seeing a lot of 679 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: first team snaps ahead of Antonio Hamilton. You're like, wow, 680 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: this is someone that no one thought could be this good. 681 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: And then he gets starts, he gets one hundred percent 682 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: of the defensive snaps and then like a cliff, it 683 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: just stops. And there was no real explanation as to why, 684 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: but that he needed to work on some things. What 685 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: they were asking him to do. He obviously wasn't doing 686 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: it on the football field, despite what the numbers looked 687 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: like and how well he appeared to be playing. But 688 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: if you're not doing or using the proper technique, then yeah, 689 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: you need to sit and learn it. And hopefully he has. 690 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: And now this is the the rebirth, if you will, 691 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: of a young cornerback. 692 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: He was given an early opportunity. I'm not saying he 693 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: didn't earn it, but I think in the Cardinals situation 694 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: this year, if you are deemed the future i e. 695 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: A young player, and they think you have a future 696 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 3: in the organization on the depth chart, then the future 697 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: is now. You're giving every chance. Paris Johnson Junior installed 698 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: as your starting right tackle from day one, Garrett Williams 699 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: the moment he was active and able to play, he 700 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: is your starting nickel corner and is in there with 701 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker. So Keith troll Clark was 702 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 3: the same way. You know what, Antonio Hamilton better corner 703 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: coming out of camp, honestly based on what I saw. 704 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: But he's in his thirties. You know, he's called the 705 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: old man in the locker room is going to be 706 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 3: around next year. Keith troll Clark is gonna be around 707 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 3: next year. So he was given every single chance. If 708 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 3: he's anywhere close between a young guy who's definitely part 709 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: of the future and an older guy who may not 710 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 3: be here next year, then they're opting for the young guy. 711 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 3: He ended up losing, Like you said, he his gig, 712 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: but he came back with a vengeance, and I'm real 713 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: curious see how he graded out in this game and 714 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: if he's going to continue to earn these sort of 715 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 3: starting nods. 716 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: Sunday was his sixth start. Only Paris Johnson has more 717 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: starts in that rookie class. So again, now we'll have 718 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: to see to your point, how does he grade out, 719 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: does he earn another start next week? 720 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 3: And look, you could argue a lot of different position 721 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: groups and position rooms on this roster. The Cardinals need 722 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: to address cornerback going into next year. If you're telling 723 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 3: me that their very first draft pick, let's say it's 724 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 3: top five, and let's say they're not going quarterback and 725 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 3: they don't trade out. If you're telling me if there's 726 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: an elite corner a Sauce gardener who's there in the 727 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: top five, I would not be shocked at all if 728 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 3: the Cardinals went that direction to fill that position. You 729 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 3: need cornerback one and who is it, where's it coming from? 730 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 3: Could it be a big free agent expenditure. I have 731 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 3: no idea, but I do know that I would put 732 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: corner right up there with D and O line in 733 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: terms of priorities going into the offseason. 734 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage. Certainly it is won and lost at 735 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. We'll have to kind of wait 736 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: and see. That's April. What's ahead immediately for the Cardinals though, 737 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: is a date against the Pittsburgh Steelers next Sunday, and 738 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that as week continues here heading 739 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: into that work Week thirteen matchup in the Steel City. 740 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll put a lid on this 741 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proudly partner 742 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 743 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Mama Hundre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. 744 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: For Paul Calvc, I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to 745 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.