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Speaker 1: Good brother and friend Bakari had to make his way
Speaker 1: to the courthouse.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get a court date change, so.
Speaker 3: We're gonna bail him out them out.
Speaker 1: Fortunately he ain't go to jail for civil disobedience. Right
Speaker 1: now he's helping out a client. But I get to
Speaker 1: have this conversation. I love my one on ones with
Speaker 1: my brother Andrew Gillham. He is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: former elected officials, an incredible, incredible political strategist. He's organized
Speaker 1: so many people over the years. And we were having,
Speaker 1: you know, really this deep dive conversation in our main
Speaker 1: show about you know, nation building and the structure of
Speaker 1: the house that remains, if any remains in this country,
Speaker 1: and then what we should be building an alternative And
Speaker 1: by we I mean black folks first. Doesn't mean the
Speaker 1: allies can't come along, but I am thinking about self
Speaker 1: preservation in the communal and cultural sense in this moment,
Speaker 1: and so AG that's.
Speaker 4: So because we're the ones really being done, you know,
Speaker 4: targeted and just swiped out.
Speaker 3: I mean, just take it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we have to think about what is
Speaker 1: needed for the present, what's needed for future generations, what's
Speaker 1: needed so.
Speaker 2: Our ancestors will be proud. Andre.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the number of days I wake
Speaker 1: up and I'm like, are we like disappointing y'all? You know,
Speaker 1: I got Harriet. Look, you know, I got my hair.
Speaker 1: I'm like, here, Harry, is you mad at us or not?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know what I'm like.
Speaker 2: Is this our fault?
Speaker 1: I literally was in a session with my therapist yesterday
Speaker 1: and I said, doctor Tamar, I really am asking like
Speaker 1: are they disappointed in us? And I really asked myself
Speaker 1: like what could we have done differently?
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think if there's anything, it's working together better, removing
Speaker 1: like the wounds and the ego out of the way,
Speaker 1: so that we could better strategize and not worry about
Speaker 1: who's leading on this particular effort or that particular effort,
Speaker 1: so that we can act actually advanced.
Speaker 2: But I really want to hear from.
Speaker 4: You, so I want to keep with you on this
Speaker 4: theme here about whether or not ancestors are you know,
Speaker 4: I think the beauty is one we may never get
Speaker 4: the definitive answer.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll take some relief in that.
Speaker 4: But but when I think of the answers, is I
Speaker 4: think of wisdom, And I think our wise ancestors predicted
Speaker 4: the clawbacks, they expected and prayed for, and ushered in
Speaker 4: and played a role in the advancements. But they in
Speaker 4: their lives lifetimes saw the clawback and then the advancement,
Speaker 4: and then the take back, and and and it is
Speaker 4: a well worn journey for us to have some progress
Speaker 4: on one day and have some backsliding on another.
Speaker 3: And what I think.
Speaker 4: If there was a thing I'd say do differently. First
Speaker 4: to Democrats, we may have some left some allies who
Speaker 4: are on the listening side of this. It's really important
Speaker 4: that folks don't see what's happening with these congressional districts
Speaker 4: as solely political when it comes to black folks. In fact,
Speaker 4: I would say overwhelmingly it is not for black folks
Speaker 4: a d versus are reaction that you are seeing, that
Speaker 4: you're hearing that we are experiencing. I am not.
Speaker 3: Tow out the frame.
Speaker 4: Because Democrats have exceless seats or access to less seats
Speaker 4: than not no higher and revels. I mean, I'm thinking
Speaker 4: of the going from property chattel slavery, a middle passage
Speaker 4: which brought us to this foreign land, speaking of step
Speaker 4: forwards and backwards freedom, and then Jim Crow right representation,
Speaker 4: and then Sharecropper and I mean member of Congress, and
Speaker 4: then hey, hey, rat's is that back rest of that
Speaker 4: back rights at that back to then have a record
Speaker 4: setting number of black people in the United States Congress.
Speaker 3: Mark the day.
Speaker 4: The decision by the United States Partisan Supreme Court and
Speaker 4: the cal A decision of Louisiana that affected an entire nation,
Speaker 4: that individually signaled the decline in black representation in the
Speaker 4: Congress of the United States from that point forward, I
Speaker 4: don't know that we will ever reach an apex there again.
Speaker 4: I don't know that we will ever reach an apex
Speaker 4: in number there again because of this decision. So all
Speaker 4: of that is bottled up in the anger, frustration, fear
Speaker 4: to have voice and representation and to be able to
Speaker 4: make demands, but then to be able to make good
Speaker 4: on those demands by being a person who can sit
Speaker 4: in committee rooms, vote something up or down, and then deliver.
Speaker 3: Something to your community.
Speaker 4: To now not having that, so I was just say,
Speaker 4: first say recognize that this is not that for us,
Speaker 4: be a good ally if that's what you are, and
Speaker 4: acknowledge that that's not the trade off that we're experiencing
Speaker 4: right now, And then I would say we have got
Speaker 4: to be as a community more strategic with what we want. Yes,
Speaker 4: when we decide to put our weight on somebody or
Speaker 4: something to win a race, black people chose by them.
Speaker 1: But total on before we before we get into choosing candidates,
Speaker 1: because I honest, this is what I honestly believe.
Speaker 2: I think that we are cart before horse people.
Speaker 3: I think we're the exact opposite.
Speaker 4: But let's here, you do I do, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think generally, I really do believe we're cart before
Speaker 1: horse people because what we what we do is despite
Speaker 1: all of our efforts in building this thing, we still
Speaker 1: will allow ourselves to be guided by processing systems and
Speaker 1: strategies by folks outside of our community. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that we're not practice thinkers and doers in that system,
Speaker 1: but I think that we so confine ourselves to generally speaking,
Speaker 1: and this is a hyperover generalization, but we but writ large,
Speaker 1: we so confine ourselves to that system that we don't
Speaker 1: imagine what we actually need to thrive.
Speaker 2: We're in survival mode.
Speaker 1: So it's again it's not criticizing the fact that we
Speaker 1: know we need to live, but it is saying it's
Speaker 1: very limiting because we're constantly going from one crisis to
Speaker 1: one crisis, mitigating this harm to that harm, and we're
Speaker 1: never thinking.
Speaker 2: We're never allowed or give ourselves.
Speaker 1: Permission the spaciousness to be like, now, what does thriving
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 2: And so I guess what I'm saying ag is like, nor.
Speaker 4: Does the practicalities of life for us oftentimes support it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're I think that if we took
Speaker 1: a little more time. Now am I talking about years,
Speaker 1: I'm not em talking about months, I'm talking about some hours.
Speaker 1: Probably because of how smart and innovative and creative our
Speaker 1: folks are. That's why we're going to live a long time,
Speaker 1: because we, naturally artists are going thrown back to the maino. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, like you have to be when you don't
Speaker 1: have nothing else, you've got to be creative and dream big.
Speaker 4: So's say, absence or not having is the mother of
Speaker 4: what's to say, is the mother of invention?
Speaker 2: I don't believe.
Speaker 4: Basically, when you're without something, it creates.
Speaker 3: It is the it is the.
Speaker 4: Mother of of of invention. You create when you don't
Speaker 4: have Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so in this imaginary country, to.
Speaker 4: That end, necessity, that necessity is the mother of that's it,
Speaker 4: I said, when you have need, but that's it.
Speaker 3: Necessity is the mother of invention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess what what?
Speaker 1: And I don't all the way remember what I was saying,
Speaker 1: But I think that the general point is.
Speaker 4: Because you said we were always creative people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we can find the time that we need to.
Speaker 1: We can find ourselves to the systems that exist and
Speaker 1: not and not dedicating the time or energy or space
Speaker 1: to the systems we deserve.
Speaker 4: And so can we example this with like soapt for instance,
Speaker 4: would it be like a convention and then out of
Speaker 4: that convention we would barter where our vote might go.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just that simple.
Speaker 4: Like I just wanted I shouldn't say that that's what
Speaker 4: you were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to belittle or be condescending to our people.
Speaker 2: I believe we have tried this. You know.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing to talk about or reflect upon is
Speaker 1: the nation time documentary documentary that examines Gary, Indiana of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: And I've went and talked to people who participated, like why.
Speaker 1: Did it fall apart? What do we do wrong? What
Speaker 1: can we learn from that? I mean, Andrew, they had
Speaker 1: delegates in the thousands from all over the country, and.
Speaker 2: We don't have that now, and I think we need
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: And I think at the time, our people were so
Speaker 1: hyper focused on integrating into the other system. You know,
Speaker 1: even Reverend Jackson's tone change from the amazing speech he
Speaker 1: gave there to integrating into the system. There's some utility
Speaker 1: they saw into integrating into that system. But why can't
Speaker 1: we hold both? You know, like I feel like we've
Speaker 1: got to hold both. Fine, be a part of the system.
Speaker 1: We need people who are inside systemic influencers, got it, shifters, changers.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying influencers like in the social media centers
Speaker 1: right shift it paradigm shifters inside the system.
Speaker 2: But we also need builders outside of the thing.
Speaker 1: So when that system crumbles, as we're witnessing, I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was this fragile agy. I got to tell you,
Speaker 1: I knew it was, But God, in a matter of
Speaker 1: days and weeks and months, we're seeing the whole thing
Speaker 1: fall apart by singular, one vote at a time. What
Speaker 1: do we have for us on the other side of
Speaker 1: the thing. We poured everything into so much so that
Speaker 1: we don't have anything left for us.
Speaker 2: We don't have the Gary system.
Speaker 3: Yea to stephen A.
Speaker 4: Smith's uh, I don't know if it's a plea or
Speaker 4: a It was but ass stupid as far as I
Speaker 4: was concerned, and highly uninformed. But the suggestion that can
Speaker 4: black people consider giving their votes to the Republican Party
Speaker 4: to see whether or not the yield what we get
Speaker 4: from that negotiation would be greater than what we've gotten
Speaker 4: to this point, from from from from Democrats? How how
Speaker 4: would the system of trade of barter, our support, our vote,
Speaker 4: our stand with you power one party or the other,
Speaker 4: depending upon who's coming with it. How does that correlate
Speaker 4: to to to his suggestion? Does it connect at all?
Speaker 3: Do you see the.
Speaker 1: You know the connection I'll draw and this may be
Speaker 1: where we part weighs a little bit. I'm not a Republican,
Speaker 1: I've never voted Republican. But what I will say is
Speaker 1: there's a reason members of the CBC founders of the
Speaker 1: CBC said, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.
Speaker 1: I think that if we can cast party aside and
Speaker 1: see where our real interests lay, and if like, because
Speaker 1: we don't know what's about to happen in the South now,
Speaker 1: it might be Dixiecrats that raise up rise up right,
Speaker 1: that is not going to necessarily be in our interests.
Speaker 1: And so I'm not you know, vote blue no matter who, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to know what you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're talking crazy.
Speaker 2: Like again, I'd say it all the time.
Speaker 1: We have a mayor in Seattle Andrew that's waging war
Speaker 1: on people who she should be agreeing with eighty seven
Speaker 1: ninety three percent of the time on policy, raising war
Speaker 1: and so I don't. I don't support that overall. And
Speaker 1: she's working families party. So I'm real confused. Told Mo,
Speaker 1: I'm real confused.
Speaker 2: I think that we have to but we have done that,
Speaker 2: yes we have.
Speaker 4: We have to know people know how to do that
Speaker 4: of the box because we did it when we left
Speaker 4: the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm just saying, like, but here's the thing
Speaker 1: that I would tell us to stretch beyond too. When
Speaker 1: we left the Republican Party. I'm not saying aligned with
Speaker 1: any party. I'm saying aligne with our interests, with our
Speaker 1: demand and I'm hoping Andrew, honestly, like, in a perfect
Speaker 1: world right now, what I would love to see happen
Speaker 1: is we have our own ALEC, our own American Legislative
Speaker 1: Exchange Council, but as black and we are making sure
Speaker 1: our legislators are equipped to push bills in and through
Speaker 1: their state houses, state sentence, and to the deaths of
Speaker 1: the governor so that our needs are met.
Speaker 2: In a perfect world, Andrew, we would have our version
Speaker 2: of this Tea Party.
Speaker 1: Many of us have been talking about this for years,
Speaker 1: since before twenty sixteen, probably since twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: We need this.
Speaker 1: Thing because we know the Democratic Party needs to be
Speaker 1: pushed and we damned Republican Party need to either be
Speaker 1: pushed to the left or push off a cliff.
Speaker 4: It sounds like the British system of coalitions, which a
Speaker 4: lot of democracies have, so basically they have to coddle together.
Speaker 4: That's it, desperate interests within the chamber to form a
Speaker 4: governing party. That's what I want, and in exchange for
Speaker 4: me getting my folks behind you, this is what we
Speaker 4: expect to be on the agenda, what this coalition will
Speaker 4: fight to deliver, and if you fail us, we will
Speaker 4: collapse this government by removing our coalition from your majority. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is what's happening about to happen right now, and
Speaker 4: you're here with these governments fall and they have to
Speaker 4: get a new prime minister. That's what happens part of
Speaker 4: the coalition breaks down.
Speaker 1: I like that because it also gives us It doesn't
Speaker 1: make a locked in, It makes us locked into our priorities.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the other thing I hate, even
Speaker 1: sometimes on the show when we talk about things is
Speaker 1: squarely political, because what we're losing.
Speaker 2: Is that the heart of policy are supposed to be people.
Speaker 1: You hit on this in our main show as well,
Speaker 1: like we can't lose our morals or our human decency
Speaker 1: while we push policy forward. If policy is moving forward,
Speaker 1: the people should be moving forward. Those two things should
Speaker 1: be inextricably linked. Is what are the things that we
Speaker 1: can be doing as a people in and outside of
Speaker 1: a political system to make sure that the people are
Speaker 1: advancing I say all the time too in speeches, ag
Speaker 1: like the first thing that your grandmother asked you if
Speaker 1: she's still alive.
Speaker 2: Mine are both passed.
Speaker 1: But the first thing that they would normally ask you
Speaker 1: when you walk into the house is what.
Speaker 2: Period. That's the first thing.
Speaker 1: And what what I've been surprised by, Andrew is I
Speaker 1: thought that was just a black grandma thing, white grandmother's
Speaker 1: two you know, Latino grandmother.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, I've been blown away by it.
Speaker 1: But what that tells you is that their makeup is
Speaker 1: centering that humanity.
Speaker 2: And the basic needs of the people.
Speaker 1: First, if we can have your grandmother's political party, the
Speaker 1: whole nation will move forward.
Speaker 2: The children are fed, there's no elder that's starving.
Speaker 1: And then after you ask people are that normally they
Speaker 1: say are you hungry?
Speaker 2: They ask you are you all right?
Speaker 1: And they give you permission to tell you where you're
Speaker 1: not all right, And then they try to meet that
Speaker 1: need too, even if they put a little they put
Speaker 1: that little folded up twenty dollars in your hand, or
Speaker 1: sometimes it'll be five dollars. My granddaddy used to do
Speaker 1: give us dimes and nickels po chat, but you know
Speaker 1: it would be right, Well, those are the basic needs.
Speaker 1: How do we move so far away from our grandmother's values.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you know it's so funny. We oh man,
Speaker 4: we give so much in our society to the robber
Speaker 4: barons and tycoons who you know, the Bezos of the world,
Speaker 4: the Elon Musks of the world, who are brilliant. You
Speaker 4: want those brilliant people around because they did something. And
Speaker 4: I'm thinking Elon Musk wasn't the first hybrid vehicle. He
Speaker 4: didn't introduce that into the space. What he did was
Speaker 4: advantaged himself off of billions of dollars of public investment,
Speaker 4: money and research that produced a certain guaranteed science. And
Speaker 4: his preference was to make it a little more glamorous
Speaker 4: and luxurious. And he had a hustle and he did it.
Speaker 4: The SpaceX going to space. Brother, the American people did
Speaker 4: all of the groundwork on that, trillions of dollars and
Speaker 4: research and money for that to take place, right, Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 4: We were doing mail to people's houses long before we
Speaker 4: were ever a nation. The postal system proceeded the Constitution
Speaker 4: of the United States of America, and before we were
Speaker 4: ordering online, we had catalogs that came to the house
Speaker 4: that people ordered from, and then you had the QVC
Speaker 4: that came on the TV and you ordered over the phone,
Speaker 4: And those were just earlier iterations of a thing that
Speaker 4: you're doing right now. But let me tell you what
Speaker 4: was most required for your success. What was most required
Speaker 4: and why it is not privatized today is a United
Speaker 4: States parcel service that delivered mail to every single home
Speaker 4: in America within the last mile and some of the
Speaker 4: most sparse places on this planet. And what you did
Speaker 4: is you needed a public system to exist there. You
Speaker 4: once your piggybacked off of it for years until you
Speaker 4: were able to get an agreeable rate with fed X
Speaker 4: that you could get weights bargain between what the government
Speaker 4: rate was and then what the private sector rate was,
Speaker 4: and you borrow it between the two and til you
Speaker 4: can make it work.
Speaker 3: And now you got big enough that you can.
Speaker 4: Build your own. But the foundations of it came from us,
Speaker 4: the people, So they're not relionize these people.
Speaker 3: And all I'm saying is is like that.
Speaker 4: Actually isn't the most impressive part of how that thing happened.
Speaker 4: If you follow it from its beginning to where we
Speaker 4: are now. There are people who take advantage of public investments.
Speaker 3: And figured out how to profitize. You know, a profit
Speaker 3: from it. And that's okay.
Speaker 4: I'm not begrudging people anything, but your question around how
Speaker 4: do we go from you know, this commonplace of humanity? First,
Speaker 4: I think our obsession and in so many ways forced
Speaker 4: because of the societies that we are in of this
Speaker 4: pour yourself up individually by the bootstrap to go on
Speaker 4: and the great things. And then they call the names
Speaker 4: of the elon Musks and the Bezoses of the world,
Speaker 4: when that is a fallacy. That is not how they
Speaker 4: got what they got, that is not why they are
Speaker 4: where they are. It is because of us, the beloved
Speaker 4: community that ushered it and paid for it first, and
Speaker 4: then people, as as it often does water fines cracks,
Speaker 4: figured out a way to then take what has already
Speaker 4: been invested in built by the public and figure out
Speaker 4: a way to profit from it. And so where did
Speaker 4: it go? Where did human Where did common Where did decent?
Speaker 4: Where did humanity go? It went the way of the
Speaker 4: tycoonins because they're the ones that are putting it in
Speaker 4: front of us every twenty four to seven, This aspirational
Speaker 4: life that we're supposed to get to.
Speaker 3: And what does that mean?
Speaker 4: You have to fok your neighbor for me to get
Speaker 4: mine this zero sum game rather than where we once were,
Speaker 4: which was we build as we climb, we leave the
Speaker 4: ladder down and the window up. That's how we move
Speaker 4: forward as a community. Because I can't be doing well
Speaker 4: in my house if my whole neighborhood is in strict
Speaker 4: poverty and in constant need, because that makes me then.
Speaker 3: The target.
Speaker 4: That would be self defeatists. So I you know, so
Speaker 4: I understand very inherently. We understood that arizing tide did
Speaker 4: lift when we were all invested. But that's no more.
Speaker 4: That's no more. The comment and the human and the decent.
Speaker 3: Is still there.
Speaker 4: It just has to be serfd out through through the
Speaker 4: scar tissue that society has, you know, written on all
Speaker 4: of us through its usery. I probably went somewhere way
Speaker 4: different than where you were, Okay, I just know, I
Speaker 4: just I just it's just the way did the decent
Speaker 4: go really struck me because we are still at our
Speaker 4: core decent people, and the lionizing of these standouts I
Speaker 4: think has cost us a lot. And I don't think
Speaker 4: we have all set with and the recesses of our
Speaker 4: minds how much.
Speaker 3: It has cost us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1: I think what I guess we could implore our people
Speaker 1: to do is think about the real lions and lionesses
Speaker 1: in our lives. And again, it sounds like there's some
Speaker 1: consistency across grandparents. So maybe we start there and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of go up from there. Yeah, definitely our humanity.
Speaker 1: And as I'm looking at you know, there's again this
Speaker 1: article that came out about the Alabama cuts to snap
Speaker 1: benefits based on the new work requirements and the HR one,
Speaker 1: which was the big beautiful bill. It's I mean, Andrew,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a blood, blood bath, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it is wise for us to look to our legislators,
Speaker 1: and certainly not to this president and in any of
Speaker 1: the Southern states most of the governors.
Speaker 2: To feed the hungry.
Speaker 4: Except that that except that that need is going to
Speaker 4: run through our neighborhoods and their trailer parks, yes, and
Speaker 4: everything in between.
Speaker 2: And they don't care.
Speaker 1: This man, literally, I can't believe we didn't run this
Speaker 1: clip I meant to where he was asked about the
Speaker 1: cost of the war and Donald Trump says.
Speaker 4: Back that I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the cost for or what Americans,
Speaker 1: what Americans have to pay or something like that, and
Speaker 1: they said that they expect for that to be, you know,
Speaker 1: a political ad. There are MAGA supporters Donald Trump supporters
Speaker 1: who are like, this isn't who I voted for.
Speaker 2: B Yes it is, but you know we're going to
Speaker 2: be on us, yes and only. And that's the part.
Speaker 1: So if we know that these people don't care, we
Speaker 1: can't also turn a blind eye. We have to lean
Speaker 1: in to the need, even in our own need. And
Speaker 1: that I think is tough. You know, some people would
Speaker 1: say that's socialism. I would say, it's compassion.
Speaker 3: I don't care what your furthest thing. It's the furthest thing.
Speaker 4: First of all, it was it was exactly what Franklin
Speaker 4: Delano Roosevelt delivered to this country through the GI bill.
Speaker 4: It's what he's what he delivered through this country through
Speaker 4: the setup of the social security system, the medicaid system,
Speaker 4: all of that stuff overwhelmingly popular in this country. But
Speaker 4: becoming a multicultural democracy meant that those benefits had to
Speaker 4: be extended to everybody. Yeah, and that is when the
Speaker 4: tycoons got to work and said if they get you lose.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know. I know we like to shout
Speaker 2: out FDR.
Speaker 1: Let us not forget he's also responsible for Japanese internment
Speaker 1: two people. Absolutely I was, but I just you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about a new deal and providing access.
Speaker 2: You can't lock up some of the people now because
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: And by the way, most of those benefits went exclusively
Speaker 4: to white folks, and it took special acts of Congress
Speaker 4: to them in executive orders to then extend those same benefits.
Speaker 4: He said, we can't have our boys and girls coming
Speaker 4: home from saving the world and not have access. But
Speaker 4: they weren't. They were not thought of in the origination
Speaker 4: of these things.
Speaker 3: So I completely get that.
Speaker 4: But I'm just going with all these things that are
Speaker 4: now Socialists were bedrock so long as the bedrock consisted of.
Speaker 3: Only white people in America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but all those programs, they weren't built. We didn't
Speaker 4: force those they did. We weren't designed for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, And you're saying they should best.
Speaker 4: I'm saying they were. And why isn't this popular today
Speaker 4: if you still get to be the benefactor, but we
Speaker 4: share in the benefactoring as well. Yeah, yep, that's the difference.
Speaker 4: That's why they are no longer popular programs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's to us building our own programs as
Speaker 1: well as figuring out how to make this country I
Speaker 1: know I said, as well as making this country better.
Speaker 2: First, No, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Mean not no, because why should the burden be put
Speaker 4: on the victims to then address the issue introduced into
Speaker 4: our lives by the victimizer? Right, the victimizer either solved
Speaker 4: the you know, it bears responsibility in my opinion, for
Speaker 4: solving it.
Speaker 3: We have to hold them to the fire.
Speaker 2: And just in case they don't, we're gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and do this work.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put it out.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this work.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's to being a firefighter. On the second
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