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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is our mini pod our.

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Speaker 1: Good brother and friend Bakari had to make his way

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Speaker 1: to the courthouse.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't get a court date change, so.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna bail him out them out.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately he ain't go to jail for civil disobedience. Right

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Speaker 1: now he's helping out a client. But I get to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation. I love my one on ones with

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Speaker 1: my brother Andrew Gillham. He is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: former elected officials, an incredible, incredible political strategist. He's organized

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Speaker 1: so many people over the years. And we were having,

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Speaker 1: you know, really this deep dive conversation in our main

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Speaker 1: show about you know, nation building and the structure of

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Speaker 1: the house that remains, if any remains in this country,

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Speaker 1: and then what we should be building an alternative And

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Speaker 1: by we I mean black folks first. Doesn't mean the

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Speaker 1: allies can't come along, but I am thinking about self

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Speaker 1: preservation in the communal and cultural sense in this moment,

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Speaker 1: and so AG that's.

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Speaker 4: So because we're the ones really being done, you know,

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Speaker 4: targeted and just swiped out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just take it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we have to think about what is

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Speaker 1: needed for the present, what's needed for future generations, what's

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Speaker 1: needed so.

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Speaker 2: Our ancestors will be proud. Andre.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you the number of days I wake

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Speaker 1: up and I'm like, are we like disappointing y'all? You know,

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Speaker 1: I got Harriet. Look, you know, I got my hair.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, here, Harry, is you mad at us or not?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know what I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Is this our fault?

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Speaker 1: I literally was in a session with my therapist yesterday

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Speaker 1: and I said, doctor Tamar, I really am asking like

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Speaker 1: are they disappointed in us? And I really asked myself

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Speaker 1: like what could we have done differently?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think if there's anything, it's working together better, removing

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Speaker 1: like the wounds and the ego out of the way,

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Speaker 1: so that we could better strategize and not worry about

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Speaker 1: who's leading on this particular effort or that particular effort,

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Speaker 1: so that we can act actually advanced.

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Speaker 2: But I really want to hear from.

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Speaker 4: You, so I want to keep with you on this

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Speaker 4: theme here about whether or not ancestors are you know,

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Speaker 4: I think the beauty is one we may never get

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Speaker 4: the definitive answer.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll take some relief in that.

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Speaker 4: But but when I think of the answers, is I

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Speaker 4: think of wisdom, And I think our wise ancestors predicted

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Speaker 4: the clawbacks, they expected and prayed for, and ushered in

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Speaker 4: and played a role in the advancements. But they in

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Speaker 4: their lives lifetimes saw the clawback and then the advancement,

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Speaker 4: and then the take back, and and and it is

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Speaker 4: a well worn journey for us to have some progress

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Speaker 4: on one day and have some backsliding on another.

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Speaker 3: And what I think.

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Speaker 4: If there was a thing I'd say do differently. First

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Speaker 4: to Democrats, we may have some left some allies who

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Speaker 4: are on the listening side of this. It's really important

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Speaker 4: that folks don't see what's happening with these congressional districts

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Speaker 4: as solely political when it comes to black folks. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I would say overwhelmingly it is not for black folks

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Speaker 4: a d versus are reaction that you are seeing, that

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Speaker 4: you're hearing that we are experiencing. I am not.

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Speaker 3: Tow out the frame.

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Speaker 4: Because Democrats have exceless seats or access to less seats

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Speaker 4: than not no higher and revels. I mean, I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: of the going from property chattel slavery, a middle passage

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Speaker 4: which brought us to this foreign land, speaking of step

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Speaker 4: forwards and backwards freedom, and then Jim Crow right representation,

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Speaker 4: and then Sharecropper and I mean member of Congress, and

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Speaker 4: then hey, hey, rat's is that back rest of that

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Speaker 4: setting number of black people in the United States Congress.

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Speaker 3: Mark the day.

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Speaker 4: The decision by the United States Partisan Supreme Court and

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Speaker 4: the cal A decision of Louisiana that affected an entire nation,

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Speaker 4: that individually signaled the decline in black representation in the

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Speaker 4: Congress of the United States from that point forward, I

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Speaker 4: don't know that we will ever reach an apex there again.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that we will ever reach an apex

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Speaker 4: in number there again because of this decision. So all

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Speaker 4: of that is bottled up in the anger, frustration, fear

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Speaker 4: to have voice and representation and to be able to

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Speaker 4: make demands, but then to be able to make good

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Speaker 4: on those demands by being a person who can sit

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Speaker 4: in committee rooms, vote something up or down, and then deliver.

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Speaker 3: Something to your community.

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Speaker 4: To now not having that, so I was just say,

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Speaker 4: first say recognize that this is not that for us,

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Speaker 4: be a good ally if that's what you are, and

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Speaker 4: acknowledge that that's not the trade off that we're experiencing

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Speaker 4: right now, And then I would say we have got

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Speaker 4: to be as a community more strategic with what we want. Yes,

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Speaker 4: when we decide to put our weight on somebody or

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Speaker 4: something to win a race, black people chose by them.

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Speaker 1: But total on before we before we get into choosing candidates,

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Speaker 1: because I honest, this is what I honestly believe.

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Speaker 2: I think that we are cart before horse people.

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Speaker 3: I think we're the exact opposite.

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Speaker 4: But let's here, you do I do, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think generally, I really do believe we're cart before

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Speaker 1: horse people because what we what we do is despite

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Speaker 1: all of our efforts in building this thing, we still

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Speaker 1: will allow ourselves to be guided by processing systems and

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Speaker 1: strategies by folks outside of our community. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that we're not practice thinkers and doers in that system,

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Speaker 1: but I think that we so confine ourselves to generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: and this is a hyperover generalization, but we but writ large,

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Speaker 1: we so confine ourselves to that system that we don't

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Speaker 1: imagine what we actually need to thrive.

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Speaker 2: We're in survival mode.

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Speaker 1: So it's again it's not criticizing the fact that we

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Speaker 1: know we need to live, but it is saying it's

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Speaker 1: very limiting because we're constantly going from one crisis to

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Speaker 1: one crisis, mitigating this harm to that harm, and we're

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Speaker 1: never thinking.

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Speaker 2: We're never allowed or give ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Permission the spaciousness to be like, now, what does thriving

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Speaker 2: And so I guess what I'm saying ag is like, nor.

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Speaker 4: Does the practicalities of life for us oftentimes support it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're I think that if we took

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Speaker 1: I'm not em talking about months, I'm talking about some hours.

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Speaker 1: Probably because of how smart and innovative and creative our

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Speaker 1: folks are. That's why we're going to live a long time,

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Speaker 1: because we, naturally artists are going thrown back to the maino. Right,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you have to be when you don't

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Speaker 1: have nothing else, you've got to be creative and dream big.

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Speaker 4: So's say, absence or not having is the mother of

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Speaker 4: what's to say, is the mother of invention?

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Speaker 2: I don't believe.

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Speaker 4: Basically, when you're without something, it creates.

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Speaker 3: It is the it is the.

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Speaker 4: Mother of of of invention. You create when you don't

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Speaker 4: have Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so in this imaginary country, to.

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Speaker 4: That end, necessity, that necessity is the mother of that's it,

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Speaker 4: I said, when you have need, but that's it.

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Speaker 3: Necessity is the mother of invention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess what what?

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Speaker 1: And I don't all the way remember what I was saying,

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Speaker 1: But I think that the general point is.

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Speaker 4: Because you said we were always creative people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we can find the time that we need to.

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Speaker 1: We can find ourselves to the systems that exist and

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Speaker 1: not and not dedicating the time or energy or space

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Speaker 1: to the systems we deserve.

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Speaker 4: And so can we example this with like soapt for instance,

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Speaker 4: would it be like a convention and then out of

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Speaker 4: that convention we would barter where our vote might go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just that simple.

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Speaker 4: Like I just wanted I shouldn't say that that's what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to belittle or be condescending to our people.

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Speaker 2: I believe we have tried this. You know.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing to talk about or reflect upon is

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Speaker 1: the nation time documentary documentary that examines Gary, Indiana of

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: And I've went and talked to people who participated, like why.

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Speaker 1: Did it fall apart? What do we do wrong? What

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Speaker 1: can we learn from that? I mean, Andrew, they had

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Speaker 1: delegates in the thousands from all over the country, and.

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Speaker 2: We don't have that now, and I think we need

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Speaker 2: that now.

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Speaker 1: And I think at the time, our people were so

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Speaker 1: hyper focused on integrating into the other system. You know,

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Speaker 1: even Reverend Jackson's tone change from the amazing speech he

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Speaker 1: they saw into integrating into that system. But why can't

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Speaker 1: We need people who are inside systemic influencers, got it, shifters, changers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying influencers like in the social media centers

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Speaker 2: But we also need builders outside of the thing.

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Speaker 1: So when that system crumbles, as we're witnessing, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I knew it was, But God, in a matter of

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Speaker 2: We don't have the Gary system.

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Speaker 3: Yea to stephen A.

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Speaker 4: Smith's uh, I don't know if it's a plea or

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Speaker 4: a It was but ass stupid as far as I

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Speaker 4: was concerned, and highly uninformed. But the suggestion that can

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Speaker 4: to see whether or not the yield what we get

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Speaker 4: to this point, from from from from Democrats? How how

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Speaker 4: would the system of trade of barter, our support, our vote,

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Speaker 4: our stand with you power one party or the other,

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Speaker 4: depending upon who's coming with it. How does that correlate

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Speaker 4: to to to his suggestion? Does it connect at all?

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Speaker 3: Do you see the.

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Speaker 1: You know the connection I'll draw and this may be

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Speaker 1: where we part weighs a little bit. I'm not a Republican,

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Speaker 1: I've never voted Republican. But what I will say is

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Speaker 1: there's a reason members of the CBC founders of the

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Speaker 1: CBC said, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.

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Speaker 1: I think that if we can cast party aside and

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Speaker 1: see where our real interests lay, and if like, because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what's about to happen in the South now,

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Speaker 1: it might be Dixiecrats that raise up rise up right,

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Speaker 1: that is not going to necessarily be in our interests.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not you know, vote blue no matter who, Like,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what you're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're talking crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like again, I'd say it all the time.

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Speaker 1: We have a mayor in Seattle Andrew that's waging war

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Speaker 1: on people who she should be agreeing with eighty seven

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Speaker 4: And by the way, most of those benefits went exclusively

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Speaker 4: He said, we can't have our boys and girls coming

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Speaker 4: home from saving the world and not have access. But

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Speaker 4: they weren't. They were not thought of in the origination

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Speaker 3: So I completely get that.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just going with all these things that are

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Speaker 4: now Socialists were bedrock so long as the bedrock consisted of.

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Speaker 3: Only white people in America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but all those programs, they weren't built. We didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, And you're saying they should best.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying they were. And why isn't this popular today

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Speaker 4: if you still get to be the benefactor, but we

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Speaker 4: share in the benefactoring as well. Yeah, yep, that's the difference.

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Speaker 4: That's why they are no longer popular programs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's to us building our own programs as

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Speaker 1: well as figuring out how to make this country I

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Speaker 1: know I said, as well as making this country better.

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Speaker 2: First, No, I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Mean not no, because why should the burden be put

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Speaker 4: on the victims to then address the issue introduced into

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Speaker 4: our lives by the victimizer? Right, the victimizer either solved

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Speaker 4: the you know, it bears responsibility in my opinion, for

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Speaker 3: We have to hold them to the fire.

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Speaker 2: And just in case they don't, we're gonna go ahead

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Speaker 2: and do this work.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna put it out.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do this work.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's to being a firefighter. On the second

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