1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Paul. They called 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: producer Paul. Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: want you to know. We live in what could be 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: described as interesting times, right and if you're hearing this 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: around the time we recorded on July, then you know 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: the US and many other nations are currently dealing with 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: a reassessment of how the civilian community should be treated 14 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: by authorities, how they should interact with those authorities. And 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: there's no question that, at least in the US, communities 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: are specifically questioning how much they do or do not 17 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: trust the police. The ongoing protests unquestionably play a huge 18 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: role in this. But these attitudes didn't just pop up 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: suddenly out of the blue. They didn't come from nowhere, 20 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: and they're not, you know, a recent thing by any means. 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Back in twenty sixteen, the CATO Institute, which is a 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: libertarian think tank, found that seventy nine percent of Americans 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: support outside investigations of police misconduct, support the use of 24 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: body cameras. And it's not unusual right to ask for 25 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: that accountability. And it's not unusual for us as humans 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: to distrust people in authority. After all, one of the 27 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: defining characteristics of power is it is inherently vulnerable to abuse. 28 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: So our show today takes place in this vast, at 29 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: times contradictory, paradoxical ecology of power, abuse, accountability, and possibly 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: cover ups. Today's story is very strange when you may have, 31 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: like us, heard about it momentarily of quick headline, a 32 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: blip on a chiron at your local news station, and 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: so on. But here's today's question. Did the Milwaukee police 34 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: just protect a child abuse ring? I know, I know, 35 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: it sounds pretty crazy, and we'll get to the crazy part. 36 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: But first, here are the facts. So around five o'clock 37 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday, June, two young girls in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, go 38 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: missing their last scene in the block of North twenty 39 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: one Street. Um Their names are Tidrionic and Gilbriana Perkins, 40 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: teen and thirteen, respectively, and according to police Sergeant fron 41 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: cornejoh just an amazing name. Uh. They're reported missing about 42 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: four hours later, but according to the official police department 43 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: response and records, that girls were not considered critically missing. 44 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: And this is something that's important for everyone to to 45 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: get their heads around. Um I I needed to. There 46 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: are some pretty specific criteria that will trigger an AMBER alert, 47 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: which is, you know, and basically a system that will 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: push a notification to every cell phone in the area. 49 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: UM will be on billboards that are available and and 50 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Matt, I believe you had that list. 51 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: The biggest thing is an Amber alert is issued if 52 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: it is believed that the child is in some kind 53 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: of immediate danger or possible serious harm or even death 54 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: if this child is not located. If you go to 55 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: the city of Milwaukee itself, they've got um a standard 56 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: operating procedure part of a handbook essentially, or you know, 57 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: the protocols for what to do when there's a missing 58 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: persons And in there it describes a lot about children 59 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: and miners in particular who go missing, and you know, 60 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: what constitutes a missing person. The main takeaway from here, though, 61 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: by the way, as we're thinking about the story and 62 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: telling you about it. In this document, it has a 63 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: note that says there is no twenty four hour waiting 64 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: period for department members to file a missing report on 65 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: any missing person. Missing reports shall be accepted without delay. Yeah. Yeah, 66 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: that's that's a I appreciate you busting that myth. Uh 67 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: is something that has been very good to fictional crime 68 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: shows the idea that one must wait twenty four hours 69 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: because it's it's a hell of a plot device, but 70 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: it's just not true. If you think somebody is missing, 71 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: then report them, because in fact the opposite is true. 72 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: The first twenty four hours of someone being reported missing 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: are the most crucial hours of an investigation, at least 74 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: an investigation that you want to result in someone being 75 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: found safe and alive. Uh. The idea of critical missing 76 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: here has, according to Milwaukee UH, six six points. Matt, 77 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: as you said, the most important one is the idea 78 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: that this person might be in physical danger. UH. They 79 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: might be risked to themselves. Whether that means whether it's 80 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: because they're suicidal or they have you know, drug issues, 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: or a mental or physical issue. One interesting point here 82 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: is that, according to Milwaukee p d UH, the person 83 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: missing is automatically considered critically missing if their age eleven 84 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: or younger. And the two children who disappeared, Tai Triana 85 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Perkins and Gilbriana Perkins, we're both over eleven. Tai Triana 86 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: fifteen or was fifteen at the time, and Gilbriano was thirteen. 87 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: So as cold as as it sounds, this is a 88 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: procedural thing from the perspective of the police, right, it 89 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: just doesn't tick the right boxes to become an Amber alert. 90 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: And we should keep in mind that while these investigations 91 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: are occurring, people are protesting in Milwaukee against systemic racism, 92 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: against what they see as the uh, callous and illegal 93 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: actions of authorities, including the Milwaukee p D. So it's 94 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: not as if this is occurring on a routine day. 95 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: There are already people out protesting, and this is where 96 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: we get to this specific day. Uh. You know, if 97 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: you read about this in the news, most of the 98 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: coverage was focused on this day, Tuesday, June, because over 99 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the course of several hours, this missing person's invest segation 100 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: morphed into something unprecedented, you really did, and has a 101 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: lot to do with what we were describing earlier, which 102 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: is just you know, the criteria to report a missing 103 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: person to get police involvement, and just just to be fair, Matt, 104 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of it's needed, right, I mean 105 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: to you don't want to report every single you know, 106 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: call that comes in and and blasted out as an amberreller. 107 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: That would sort of diminish the value of that that 108 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: UM safeguard, right Like if sure, I mean absolutely, there 109 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: are going to be you know, statistically a number of 110 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: missing persons reports that are generated of someone who is 111 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: just you know, their phone died and they had to 112 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: do something else, there was an emergency that they couldn't 113 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: notify anyone about, right, or uh a minor willingly abscone somewhere. Right. 114 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: But this is what I wanted to get to you 115 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: really quickly for re jump into exactly what happened on 116 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: that same mill Awky p D document under critical missing, 117 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: like the classification of critical missing that Ben noted the 118 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: person if they're eleven years or younger, their critical missing. 119 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: Another thing in here is that it states a person 120 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: is considered critical missing if there is quote reasonable suspicion 121 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: to believe the disappearance of the missing person is not 122 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: voluntary and or the missing person is the victim of 123 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: foul play. Now, putting that in there, saying that there 124 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: is reasonable suspicion means that the officer taking that report 125 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: essentially is that that person or their superior gets to 126 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,119 Speaker 1: make the call of whether or not this suspicion is reasonable. 127 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: It's not like the mother reporting a missing person. It's 128 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: not the wife or the husband or the child. It's 129 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: the officer and maybe they're superior. It's a good seed 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: to plant mat because I think that I think I 131 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: see where you're going with this. There is subjectivity to 132 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: some degree on the part of the officer or the 133 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: person uh in authority filing that report. So this this 134 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: is going to come into play in a massive way 135 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: further into our story. You probably saw this report about 136 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: a crowd gathering at a house. But one thing a 137 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: lot of news outlets did not report is how this crowd, 138 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: some of whom were concerned neighbors, some of whom were 139 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: searching for these kids themselves, and some who are already 140 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: out protesting, right, how did they find this house. It's 141 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: an interesting story. The mother of one of the missing 142 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: girls was able to ping the kid's cell phone, and 143 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: the cell phone was located in a two story town 144 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: house in Milwaukee on the block of North Street. This is, 145 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: for anyone familiar with the area, just south of Washington Park. 146 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: So this mother, along with several other people that she knew, 147 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: physically went to this property and this was an addition 148 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: to calling police, according to their account. This is the 149 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: first part where they accounts differ. According to her account, 150 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: the police apparently ignored these requests, these missing person's reports 151 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: for about ten hours. So it to your point, Matt, 152 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: maybe they considered them not well they we know they 153 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: did not consider them quote unquote critically endangered. Uh, they 154 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't say I think they qualified for an Amber alert. 155 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: So around ten am at this place. Uh. The police 156 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: have on their side of the story. They've been investigating 157 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: for two days, that's what they say, ever since this 158 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: was reported. But a group of civilians starts to gather 159 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: at this house where that cell phone ping allegedly originated from. 160 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: And let's just just add in like not that this 161 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: is you know, this is a whole separate discussion. I 162 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: don't of itself, but the police are certainly going to 163 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: be stretched a little thin with doing crowd control and 164 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: just the the other protests, you know, that are happening 165 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: else where in the city. Um, at this point, they're 166 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: likely would have been some police presence just to make 167 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: sure that things did be out of control. And you know, uh, 168 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: there's certainly in a case to be made that there 169 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: was a lot of overstepping and a lot of like 170 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: overreaction to that stuff and then necessarily didn't need to 171 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: tie up the police force in that way. But um, 172 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: that certainly could account for the ten hour delay in 173 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: addition to it not meeting those Amber alert criteria. It 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: is a good point. Another point to make here is 175 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: that pinging a cell phone um is not always going 176 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: to be as accurate as you may hope it to be, 177 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: because you are talking about triangulation and using various cell 178 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: phone towers to try and figure out exactly where cell 179 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: phone is at any given time. If you ever look 180 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: at your location services on your phone, sometimes it's gonna 181 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: show you somewhere in your backyard or maybe at your 182 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: neighbor's house. Just putting this out there as it's not accurate. 183 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: So that's what this would have been. It would have 184 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: been like a in my iPhone situation or like you know, 185 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: something that the mother could trigger from her device, not 186 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: actually involving the phone company. I don't know exactly how 187 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: they were what method they used to paying the cell phone, 188 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: but no matter how they did it, it was using 189 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: probably LTE or some other kind of um cell phone 190 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: signal towers to triangulate the location. I'm not saying that 191 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: it's absolutely inaccurate, right, but I'm just saying there is 192 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: a degree of maybe that wasn't the exact house putting 193 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: it out there. And these houses are also if you 194 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: look at pictures of the neighborhood, these houses are also 195 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: pretty close together, so and it's a densely populated area, 196 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: so it's possible that that's not accurate. Back back to 197 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: the events there, the group that has gathered, right, they 198 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: believe that these two children are being held inside this house, 199 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: and this house, will come to find has a story 200 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: all its own. Police are investigating inside the house. They're 201 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: not letting the civilians in and according to the police, 202 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: and we'll get more into their story in a second, 203 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: according to the police, some members of the crowd, the 204 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: civilian crowd us became agitated and some people in the 205 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: crowd through bricks at the officers. This resulted in more 206 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: police being called to the scene. By the middle of 207 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: the afternoon, that crowd that started with a intensely distressed 208 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: mother looking for a child had grown to number in 209 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: the hundreds, and there were fifteen to twenty police officers 210 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: forming a human line a chain outside of the house 211 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: to hold back the crowd. They wanted in because they 212 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: believed that the Milwaukee p D had a long standing 213 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: policy of ignoring these reports of missing children, especially if 214 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: the missing children were not white. And so at this point, 215 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, this civilian grew that's assembling is starting to grow. 216 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: They're starting to take manage into their own hand and 217 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: search the area because they feel like they're not being heard. 218 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: They're angry that the police took so long to respond 219 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: in the first place. And so the crowd starts to 220 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: kind of move towards the house. Uh. Some individuals actually 221 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: break into the house. Some folks are smashing out windows. Uh, 222 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: there's a vehicle parked on the property. Um. Others start 223 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: knocking on doors nearby, UM, you know, demanding to you know, 224 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: to see these girls or are asking if they're there. Um. 225 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: And then just before six o'clock five to be precise, 226 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: members of the crowd, which at this point is, you know, 227 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: quite large and very angry. I mean, you have to remember, 228 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be angry about. There's protests going 229 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: on about the death of George Floyd, and the whole 230 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: notion of not trusting the police is a very top 231 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: of mind right now. Uh. So they actually set fire 232 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to to a vehicle, a couch and then the house 233 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: in question, then not only do you have a police 234 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: presence there, you've now introduced the fire department in local 235 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: fire departments, which you know, it really does bring another 236 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: element of sirens, of large vehicles trying to get through 237 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: crowds of you know, firefighters trying to find a sufficient 238 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: source of water to actually start putting the fire out, 239 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and just chaos is what you That's how you can 240 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: describe it. Essentially, the police force there is attempting to 241 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: control the crowd essentially to some extent. Right we talked 242 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: about how they were They already had a fence, a 243 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: human fence essentially around this house and they're trying to 244 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: do crowd control and then a massive fire just metaphorically 245 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: sets the entire situation on fire right in this in 246 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: this weird way. Uh, there's also reportedly, by the way, 247 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: molotov cocktails that were used in this, at least that's 248 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: according to the local reporting. I actually didn't see that 249 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: in any video, but maybe you guys did. I didn't 250 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: see it. So we see that the discrepancies between the 251 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: authorities narrative and the narrative of the people in the 252 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: civilian crowd who are live streaming on Facebook and active 253 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: on social media. UH, these discrepancies only increase. By the 254 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: end of this three people had been shot to fourteen 255 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: year olds one four year old. Other people, civilians and 256 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: authorities of firefighters and police alike had been injured. This 257 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: the shootings are also their own kind of bag of 258 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: terrible badgers. UH. Police responded eventually by deploying what this 259 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: misleadingly termed non lethal right non lethal measures, So that 260 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: would be that would be your whitman's sampler of protest 261 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: response things like tear gas, rubber bullets, pepper spray that 262 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: was deployed on protesters. Several were injured. After seven pm, 263 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: led by a guy will Meet later called Frank Nitty, 264 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: a small group in the crowd began a protest march 265 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: away from the site. They were followed by a caravan 266 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: of vehicles I think it's important for us to say 267 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: windows were smashed out of this vehicle that was parked 268 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: on the property. It's a van, right, and one of 269 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: the people in the house got away, and there were 270 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: things in that van that could have been very important 271 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: to the concerns of the crowd. We do have a 272 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: bit of good news though. The two girls, the Perkins children, 273 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: were found the next day. On Wednesday, police reported first 274 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: that one child had been found, then the both children 275 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: were found and were with their families. At the time, 276 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: Milwaukee p D stated they had found no evidence that 277 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: these children were ever at the house that was set 278 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: on fire. They additionally found no evidence that the children 279 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: were involved with any of the events that occurred during 280 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: this investing. Gaistion turned into a protest, turned into unrest 281 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: at that site on Tuesday. I did find one one thing. 282 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: It's intristing. I was looking for the names of the 283 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: people who live in this house, and this is according 284 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: to the neighborhood. This is one of those houses that 285 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: everybody kind of talks about. I think we all grow 286 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: up with a creepy house in some neighborhood, and this 287 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: one had been the subject of a lot of scrutiny, 288 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: but I was having trouble finding who actually lived there. 289 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: I I eventually found some folks. One person, Jalisa Hall, 290 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: was a resident of the house, but she wasn't there 291 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: during the events of Tuesday June. She was at St. 292 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Joe's Hospital when the home was burning down because she 293 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: was giving birth. That has got to be a very 294 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: tough day for her. And as as we've kind of 295 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, hinted at, uh, the narrati, there's a real 296 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: division division between the narratives of the Facebook live streamers 297 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: and the folks that are assembled um and the police 298 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: the official story. UM. And we're gonna get more into 299 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: those discrepancies after a quick word from our sponsor. Okay, 300 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: we're back. Now, we're gonna hear from the police their 301 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: side of the story here. And much of what we've 302 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: we've learned has come from Police Chief Alfonso Morales of 303 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Police Department. He's given several public addresses about this. 304 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: The primary one came on Tuesday, that was immediately following 305 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: the events that we've been talking about just now, the 306 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: house being burned and everything that went down at that location. 307 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: So here's what we've got, according to him and the 308 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: police in general. They responded to that block of North 309 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: Street on Monday, so that's the day after the girls 310 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: were reported missing. He's got logs that show the police 311 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: department went there twice on Monday night, not to that 312 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: particular house, but to that area. They went once at 313 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: according to these logs, ten eleven pm for quote, trouble 314 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: with a subject call, then again an hour later for 315 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: a report of some threat. There was this televised statement 316 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: that you can watch right now on YouTube if you 317 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: wanna look for it yourself. He gave it on Tuesday. 318 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: That's when we were referring to here. He announced the 319 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: police responded multiple multiple incidents and reports at that general 320 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: location and several other places. They're claiming both times that 321 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: officers checked the location, they found nothing that would seem 322 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: to indicate that the children were there right or were 323 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: ever there. The police said that while they were there, 324 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: and this should be on Tuesday, if I'm not mistaken, guys, 325 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: that there was exchange of gunfire at and it was 326 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: between somebody inside the house, the one that ended up 327 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: getting burned, and people who are attempting to get into 328 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: the house. In this statement, Chief Morales characterizes the civilians 329 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: that we've been talking about who are outside the house 330 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: as vigilantes, um very purposefully, so I think sure, And 331 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: he's also not wrong, but it's also a loaded term. 332 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean us again trying to control that narrative and 333 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: steer that narrative right exactly. And after he, you know, 334 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: just gave his prepared statement, he was then asked several 335 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: questions by reporters. Yeah, this is interesting. So this is 336 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: something that I I clocked. I've been following this since 337 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: since it occurred, just to see what's shaking out here. 338 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: This part of the state of the televised statement is 339 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: fascinating because reporters are openly asking. They're saying, you know, 340 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: how do you respond to the numerous Milwaukee residents who 341 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: think police don't care about reports of missing children if 342 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: they're black? How how do you respond to the continuing 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: allegations that these missing children cases do not get the 344 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: attention they deserve and the police don't take them as 345 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: seriously as they should. And then the same reporter follows 346 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: up and says, and what about what about the fact 347 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that the houses in this area have been known in 348 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: the past has proven locations of sex trafficking or human trafficking. 349 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: The reporters saying this this isn't me and the police 350 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: Chief Dodd kind of dodges the question and and Morales 351 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: responds saying, look, the police can only investigate what's reported 352 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: to us. And then he doubles down on vigilantism, so 353 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't ever actually answer that question. And when he's 354 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: pushed on it, uh, the question about trafficking and trafficking 355 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: in the past, he says that the department does not 356 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: have the necessary information to make a statement. But another 357 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: reporter confirms that the house had multiple calls to police 358 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: over time. Uh. And then in response, Morale says, the 359 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: same families lived there since, which is an answer, but 360 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: it's an answer to an entirely different question. Assist saying 361 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: calls from the house to the police over time, or 362 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: calls reporting recording the houses suspicious or something. The police 363 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: have been called have received reports about the house multiple times. 364 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: Some of those could have come from inside the house. 365 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, it's it's an aggregate number. This this 366 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: has been reported multiple times. Morales confirms that some people 367 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: were removed from the residents and refuses to comment when 368 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: asked about the age of the people who were removed. 369 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: Those people, by the way, that's an interesting story. They 370 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: were removed hidden under yellow tarps uh and and shuffled 371 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: away into vehicles. A point for that, though, in any case, 372 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna want to keep those the identity 373 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: of those people hidden because you are talking about a 374 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: gathered group of of people who are pure to be 375 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 1: angry and they have they have an idea of what 376 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: they believe is going on there, and if it is 377 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: not proven with evidence, then you know, the people in 378 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: that house could be completely innocent and we just don't know. 379 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: And if they are right, then mob mentality could kick 380 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: in and those people could be you know, harmed, physically harmed, 381 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: um And even if they are guilty, the it would 382 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: be on the police to protect those people until they 383 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: get a trial, right or until they're indicted in some 384 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: way for some wrongdoing. So protecting them covering them, I 385 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: don't know. To me, that doesn't feel odd. Yeah, I mean, 386 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: even even Batman get you're wrong sometimes, and that's the 387 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: problem when you take matters into your own hands and 388 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: then maybe you're manipulated or maybe you know, I don't know, 389 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: there's any number of things that can happen. But when 390 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: you don't have that due process, it's pretty tricky if 391 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: you'd rush to judgment. There are also a number of 392 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: reasons that these people could have been removed from the residents, 393 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and not all of those reasons are that they were 394 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: detained for some sort of crime. You know, if I've 395 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: gunfired did come from a member of the residents, then 396 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: maybe it was discharge of a firearm. If multiple people 397 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: are removed, and then maybe it's entirely for their personal safety. 398 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: To your point, Matt, about powder keg mentality right in 399 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: a crowd, and that's not picking on this crowd in particular. 400 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: That's just what crowds are built to do. Uh. They 401 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: have that capacity hardwired. I do want to point out, 402 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: if I can finish this thought, that Batman is one 403 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: of my least favorite examples of vigilantis. Um Uh, he's 404 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: a really smart He's also a multi billionaire, and that's 405 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: a superpower if you think about it. Batman has is 406 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: above the law, and he is he has a superpower. 407 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: Has time travel. Money is just money, is just work 408 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: over time. He didn't build that cave himself. I know 409 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: it's unrelated, but I have to say it I'm sorry, Matt, 410 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: what were you gonna say, Um, if a person inside 411 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: that home was discharging a firearm because they were human 412 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: beings attempting to breach the home, and that is that 413 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: person's home. Depending on you know, the laws in a 414 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: lot of places, that is completely okay if you're discharging 415 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: a firearm within your own home to protect your home. 416 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: So that's just something we have to keep in mind. Yeah, 417 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: like a castle doctrine, it's sometimes called. And now we 418 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: see why there. We see these discrepancies right rit large 419 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: and apparent. It's completely understandable that these discrepancies would exist. 420 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: While the police characterize this as an otherwise normal investigation 421 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: pushed off the rails by an angry crowd of you 422 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: know what, they characterize a vigilantes, uh, people believe there's 423 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: more to the story. Some, in fact, currently believe that 424 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: the police we're not just being negligent, but that they 425 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: were actively covering up a trafficking ring, a conspiracy to kidnap, exploit, 426 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: and sell children. Here's where it gets crazy. You guys. 427 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: Remember Frank Nitty We mentioned him earlier. He was in 428 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: charge of the Facebook live stream that eventually amassed around 429 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: forty active streamers. UM, he's a community organizer. UM. There 430 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: were several folks that are live streaming, but his was 431 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: the most popular. UM. And he kind of narrated the 432 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: whole thing and kind of did a play by play. Uh. 433 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: He his beef with this whole situation was the perceived 434 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: lack of care on the part of police UM in 435 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: general in regards to missing children, as well as his 436 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: community's belief that the children had gone missing in this house. 437 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: And he added a couple of other slightly disconcerting details. First, 438 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: he says, there was a quote guy in the van, 439 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: the kind of classic you know kaiser, so's a mythical 440 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: crime scene figure. UM. This van was supposedly attacked and 441 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: then this this this individual got away as according to 442 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: nitty UM. Second, he explains that part of why the 443 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: crowd felt that this home in particular was a sex 444 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: trafficking hub was because at least one child was placed 445 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: from the residents into a car. Uh. He says that 446 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: he witnessed this um and then ran away. Yeah, those 447 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: are some interesting details that you're not going to see 448 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: in any of the other reports, and you know, could 449 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: could well be because they didn't happen. But it also 450 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: could be that they were brushed over. So Frank Nitty 451 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: is a community or going toser and he was, like 452 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: several people in the crowd, live streaming these events. He 453 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: was also trying to keep things from going out of hand, 454 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: right from turning into a full on riot, So he 455 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: was acting as sort of a uh diplomat, an ambassador 456 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: between the authorities and between this civilian crowd. He spoke 457 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: with a Sergeant Todd Smollen, and this was shortly before 458 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: seven pm, and Smollen told Nitty, you know, look, you 459 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: and these other members of this crowd, these other civilians 460 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: are quote being used. The implication of that's still a 461 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: little unclear. And Nitty negotiated with the authorities basically saying, look, 462 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: if you do the following things, if you at least 463 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: get this he calls it a tank, but it's probably 464 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: an m wrap. If you get this m rap out 465 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: of here, then we can move the protest away. We 466 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: want this to end peacefully. We don't what any more 467 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: violence than we're throwing bricks or molotov cocktails or children 468 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: getting shot, which again did happen. So he walked away 469 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: saying that he felt as organizers they were helping the 470 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: general situation. But then he says, there's an interesting quote 471 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: here from his live stream. He says, before we came 472 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: out here, there were nine kids missing. After we came 473 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: out here, four kids were returned. He later amended it 474 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: and said three kids. So so that seems like, at 475 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: least in his mind, there's something deeper to the story 476 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: than the two missing Perkins children. And you're right, the 477 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: big question here, Ben, is why did two missing kids 478 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: you know who we're being reported by the mother that 479 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: the police were allegedly not looking into, but of course 480 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: according to them they were. Why did it immediately go 481 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: to these children are victims of sex trafficking of some 482 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: sort um. You know, it's it's one of those terrible 483 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: things that is a reality in a lot of places 484 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: in the world, where it's a possibility at least where 485 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: a child can be abducted and abused in that way. 486 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: But why this time, Well, it's because the city where 487 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: this took place, Milwaukee, has a very deep and very 488 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: dark problem with sex trafficking. And we'll tell you about 489 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: it after a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 490 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: You're correct, Matt, Milwaukee is unfortunately not unique in this problem, uh, 491 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: and you know it. Atlanta, for instance, Washington, d C. 492 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: Cities in Texas and California have their own ongoing battles 493 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: of human trafficking and then with also with child trafficking 494 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: for sexual purposes. I found this local news station w 495 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: t m J TV, and in January they reported on 496 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: very very disturbing trend. Police in Milwaukee have responded to 497 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: more than seventy calls from twenty fifteen to for human trafficking. 498 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: And that's not the whole city. Those seventy calls are 499 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: from five hotels. Sixty five arrest related to human trafficking 500 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: occurred around this area on a single stretch of road. Again, 501 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: that's not the entire and that's one stretch of road. 502 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: They did have a dedicated human trafficking task force that 503 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: addressed four areas of concern, public awareness, service provision, education, 504 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: and legislation. As far as we can find this task 505 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: force after they were created, they made their final report 506 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve. Astute conspiracy realist, you will 507 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: note that that final report in two thousand twelve occurs 508 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: three years before that horrifying stat about just how many 509 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: trafficking calls are happening in just one area of town, 510 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: so it appears that there are clusters, there are hubs, 511 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's still a stretch to 512 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: accuse the authorities of being complicit in this, but clearly 513 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: their attempts to address it have at the very least 514 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: not been a hundred percent effective. Is that a fair 515 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: way to say? I think it absolutely is. And to 516 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: take it even a little further or maybe even backcheck slightly, 517 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, the can the situation here with the police 518 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: force being stretched then because of events going on elsewhere 519 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: in the city. Really do feel like, you know different 520 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: enough that maybe that that led to the delay in response. 521 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it was a wilful delay to me, 522 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying, Matt, Like, you know, 523 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: if this is a known sex trafficking area or with 524 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: that problem in general, that maybe they would take the 525 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: report more seriously without it having to have checked those 526 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: Amber alert boxes. Is that? I think? What the what 527 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: the discussion is here? Oh as in like if the 528 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: two girls who went missing in June of this year, 529 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: if the report was that they were in that area, 530 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: they would have been it would have been taken seriously 531 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, and I'm I don't know. I'm just wondering, like, 532 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: if the police were being derelict because of their you know, 533 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: knowledge about sex trafficking being such a problem in the city, 534 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: and they didn't take these calls seriously enough, what would 535 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: have maybe led them to take it more seriously? I 536 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: mean that, like, how could they have done a better 537 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: job in this situation, I guess is what I'm asking. 538 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: That's tough because according to the police, they did take 539 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: it seriously and they responded immediately and began investigating, right 540 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: at least according to them, right. Um, And we you know, 541 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: we know, especially living in Atlanta, that cities and police 542 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: departments across the United States in the world really um appear, 543 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: at least according to the statistics and to personal experience, 544 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: to have issues with responding to missing black people, two 545 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: murdered black people, like in the same way that they 546 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: would respond to someone who was not black who was 547 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: either missing or murdered. I'm talking about the Atlanta child 548 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: murders as I mean referring to that as one of 549 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: the sagas that the country and and people then and 550 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: have gone through where loved ones disappear and then there 551 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be much action taken, and whether that 552 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: whether that lack of action is perceived or real, it 553 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to the individual who has a missing 554 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: loved one, right, Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point. 555 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: And also if journey a little bit further away from 556 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: the official narrative, we see some distressing claims. The Milwaukee 557 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: Independent has some largely unsubstantiated claims. I'm not saying they're 558 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: not true. I'm saying I couldn't find multiple sources confirming, 559 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: but they they have some unsubstantiated claims that the entire 560 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: set of stories, i should say, has yet to be 561 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: released to the public. Uh. And they say there is 562 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: also hard evidence of trafficking occurring at this site just 563 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: south of Washington Park. In a specific quote, they say 564 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: some papers were recovered, including what was allegedly since the 565 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: document has not been released, a schedule of what time 566 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: the girls were solicited out, and the name of someone 567 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: who was connected to the operation. They didn't they did. 568 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: They then name this person, who they say is they 569 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: believe is the property owner of the residents, a disaster 570 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: recovery specialists who had been again allegedly working as a 571 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: spiritual leader for children at local youth camps and been 572 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: just to clarify the site that we're talking about here 573 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: in reference to is this the home that was burned 574 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: or is this that area where the um hotels where 575 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: we actually talking about. That's yeah, that's why I'm saying. 576 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: That's why I said a set of stories, because what 577 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: we noticed here is that there are three stories occurring. 578 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: That's what I would categorize this as the first story 579 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: is the story of two missing children who are thankfully 580 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: found alive. The second story is the story of a 581 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: house that burned down and was believed to be a 582 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: hub of human trafficking by some people, by civilians in Milwaukee. 583 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: And the third, larger story in which those two earlier 584 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: stories take place, is the tragic tale of human trafficking 585 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee overall, best evidenced by that terrifying report of 586 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: the trafficking conspiracy occurring in just one part of town. Unrelated, 587 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: I would say, possibly related. It depends on how far 588 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: you think these kind of webs extent. But again, you know, 589 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee Independent, we have to want to emphasize I 590 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: did not find additional evidence the papers that they're talking 591 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: about uh, their alleging that police investigators when they entered 592 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: the house at that block, they're they're saying that the 593 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: investigators found papers there and just have it released them 594 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: to the public, and then the house burned down. So 595 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: according to the latest reports we could find the police 596 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: did do suspect four people of arson. That's a big question. 597 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: Probably a lot of our fellow listeners are wondering, right 598 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: who started the fire? The we didn't start there. The 599 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: one of the four suspects in the arson has been arrested. 600 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: Police were still looking for the rest As of the 601 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: end of June, that may have changed. But again, we 602 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: have a happily ever after ending here, at least partially. 603 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: You know, these two children were found, they were able 604 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: to return to their families. But there's a bizarre part 605 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: of the story. No one knows where they were for 606 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 1: three days. Imagine you have a fifteen year old, a 607 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: thirteen year old and just gone for three days. I 608 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: have never been in charge of a teenager, thankfully, but 609 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: I assume that's abnormal anyone who does have children out there, 610 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: or maybe if you're even imagining have a child at 611 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: some point in your life. Um, it's hard to know. 612 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: What you would do to make sure that child is 613 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: safe or to get them back if you think they're missing. 614 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: You know, I I don't want to put you on 615 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: the spot, Noel, but doing as the father of you know, 616 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: she's what they call a tween Matt. But yeah, no, 617 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean and honestly, she does a lot 618 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: of this cosplay stuff. Um. And you know, we allowed 619 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: her to have her own Instagram account, um, and we've 620 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: had to be very explicit with her because some of 621 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: it is the kind of stuff that weird, pervy dudes 622 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: can get off on. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not 623 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: gonna mince words here. And she understands that, and she's 624 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: super careful. And it's a private account. You have to 625 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, request access, and she has to know who 626 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: you are, and she knows that. She if she ever 627 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: got creeped on or anyone was trying to be like 628 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: come meet me or something like that, she's like, she's smart, 629 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: she knows what's up. But yeah, you have to be 630 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: pretty vigilant about that kind of thing. Um. But you 631 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: also don't want to make your kids living in fear 632 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: of being abducted or being exploited or something but you 633 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: have to have a healthy fear of that, you know, 634 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: that contingent, which absolutely exists out in the world. So 635 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: it's a fine line between living in some kind of 636 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: constant state of anxiety and just being being smart. I 637 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: think one of the biggest things here is just imagining 638 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: that if something did happen, you know, to your child, 639 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: and there is this house or this area somewhere near 640 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: where you live that has, at least according to other 641 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: people who live in the community with you, has been 642 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: reported or attempted to have been reported for things like this, 643 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: like abducting children. And nothing seems to be happening to 644 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: that house or to the people who are in that 645 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: house or in that area, right, Um, and then your 646 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: child goes missing? And what what what do you do? 647 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: You know? Um? This this whole story is just really 648 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: it's disturbing on a lot of levels. But I think 649 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: the fact that as a community there was there was 650 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: an alarm or an attempt to switch that alarm on. Right, Hey, 651 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: something is wrong here, something's going on here. We you know, 652 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: we can't confirm it right now, but you're the police. 653 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: Please check it out and make sure everything's okay. Um. 654 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: And it seems to not have happened. Yeah, because again, 655 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: as we established at the top of this show, these 656 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: sorts of concerns or allegations, they don't come out of nowhere, 657 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The even even if these 658 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: allegations end up not being correct, they are not works 659 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: entirely of fantasy. It reminds me of the the panic 660 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: in Central America and Guatemala specifically, where there is if 661 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: there's a long standing rumor it may still be there 662 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: of foreigners going into the country to abduct children for 663 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: the purpose of harvesting their organs. And it sounds crazy there, 664 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you just hear the sentence that plainly 665 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: just like it might sound crazy to some of us. 666 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: Uh hearing people in Milwaukee say the police are aiding 667 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: a child trafficking ring. But we have to remember, you know, 668 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: in the case of Guatemala, this was happening. This this 669 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: urban legend came about because there was a seed of 670 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: truth to the idea of child abduction and trafficking. And 671 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: so in Milwaukee there is an established problem with human trafficking. 672 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: People are not making all of this up for fun 673 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: zies or something, and it's incredibly disrespectful I would say 674 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: it's unclean to dismiss those claims out of hand without 675 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: giving them due diligence. I know, alarmism cells and stuff, 676 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: but if we're talking about people's lives, we always have 677 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: to take it seriously. And this is where we get 678 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: to social media the gift in the curse right. Social 679 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: media tells the story that is far different from the 680 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: official narrative of the Milwaukee p D in in several 681 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: key ways. And again this all has to be qualified 682 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: as speculation. They're they're not. We There have been no 683 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: papers founder publicly acknowledge that shows something as explicit as 684 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: like a schedule of solicitation and trafficking, And if you 685 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 1: think about it, that kind of be a weird thing 686 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: to write down unless you wanted blackmail or extortion abilities later. 687 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: But I doubt this was Russian compromise or something like that. 688 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: The social media stuff, um, you know, it has the 689 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: same reports. You can see it on Twitter and can 690 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: see it on Facebook. You'll see people claiming that neighbors 691 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: in the area have been trying to report this house 692 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: multiple times, they got results for maybe months or years 693 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: before this event. And then it gets to the question 694 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: of the fire the fire actually happened, why did it happen. 695 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: You'll find people on social media saying that the fire 696 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: was purposely set ablaze to hide evidence, not by an 697 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: angry quote unquote mob, but maybe by someone working with 698 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: the police, working with this trafficking ring. I don't know, 699 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: what do you guys think, certainly would be counterproductive of 700 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: the mob to set the house on fire if in 701 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: fact it was the site of these abuses. Um, it 702 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,439 Speaker 1: would be very shortsighted at the very least of them 703 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: to give in to that kind of anger and just 704 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: go all out in that direction, if they really were 705 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: concerned with justice and finding out the truth, because if 706 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: you burn that house down, you basically obliterate all possible 707 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: evidence and the ability to actually bring anyone potentially you know, 708 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: involved in these crimes to just right for sure. You know, 709 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: I was just talking, we were talking off Mike a 710 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: little bit. But there are photographs you can see on Twitter. 711 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: That's how we saw them. Their photographs of the van 712 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: or a van in the back of the house that 713 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: was burned as much as the house itself was. I 714 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: do not know. I cannot confirm, Maybe you guys can. 715 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: I cannot If that van is the one that we've 716 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: talked about a few times in throughout this story. Um, 717 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: it seems like it may have been, but I you know, 718 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: I can't give you a proof. Yes, that's the one, 719 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: but it was burned, and allegedly there was a bed 720 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: in that van, and it looks like there may have 721 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: been one even in the charred remains of it. And 722 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: there was also allegedly a pair of bloody shorts. I 723 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,320 Speaker 1: think that was located there, at least according to some people. 724 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: If you you know, if you burn it, then how 725 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: you get it? How do you get DNA adends from that? 726 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: The other thing I would point out here is that 727 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: just when you're thinking about motivation of why the house 728 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: would burned outside of it being purposefully done to hide evidence. 729 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: And this is me kind of putting myself in the 730 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: shoes of somebody else here. But if you imagine that 731 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: you know that this house for sure in your mind 732 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,919 Speaker 1: is a hub of sex trafficking, and the police don't 733 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: seem to be doing anything about it. What can I do? Well, 734 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn that thing to the ground, right that 735 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: I can imagine that. That's the mindset at least that 736 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 1: went into attempting to set the house on fire. Yeah, 737 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: this is um possibly an example of what people do 738 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: when we feel powerless, when we want to confront something 739 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: that we otherwise feel incapable of confronting. One thing that 740 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: is important to note here is that the residents Chad 741 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: and Believe for adults and two children on the books 742 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: is living there. That residence is gone. The people who 743 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: lived there no no place to go, including uh Jelisa Hall, who, 744 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: as we said, was giving birth while her house was burning. 745 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: I've found a go fund Me page that was created 746 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,879 Speaker 1: by her sister in law to raise money for for 747 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: the family so that they would have a place to sleep, 748 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: they would be able to replace some of the many 749 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: possessions that burned down in the fire. I just want 750 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: to I'm saying this because I want to establish that 751 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: there are people who are living there, their lives go on, 752 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And if you look at 753 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,359 Speaker 1: this go fund me, that story. Of course, it's not 754 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: like the New York Times or Pro Publica in terms 755 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: of reporting or something, but it does it doesn't show 756 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: any mention of crime or human trafficking. It shows that 757 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: that their house burned down and she lost everything you 758 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And if you look at the comments, 759 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: then you don't see anybody saying that this is some 760 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: kind of you know, money grab on behalf of the 761 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: trafficking ring. I just I think it's interesting because it's 762 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: another conflicting narrative here. Ben's thank you for pointing this out. 763 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: The one thing I noticed on the post here, under 764 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: the description right of this go fund me that we're 765 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: discussing here, it says, ah, she was living upstairs with others, right, 766 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: and there were others living downstairs, and it says, quote, 767 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: she nor anyone upstairs had anything to do with what 768 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: was happening downstairs. And we're in contact with the proper 769 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: people during everything and did everything they asked unquote. Interesting, right, 770 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: It does feel as though I don't know if that's 771 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: just speaking to what's being said on social media or 772 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: the allegations about what's going on, or maybe they have 773 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: in this this person nor this family, or maybe they 774 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: do have information that we just don't know, and maybe 775 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: they're being unfairly targeted by the court of public opinion, 776 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: which has no such thing as due process right and 777 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: has no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. So 778 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: the allegation here, again unsubstantiated, is that the police were 779 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: actively protecting traffickers, that's the worst case scenario, and possibly 780 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: taking a cut of the profits and return. Police corruption 781 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: is a real thing, but police corruption tends to occur 782 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: at an individual or small group level. Often it's like 783 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 1: factions of things, you know, that's it's it's one person 784 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: going outside the law, and then maybe other people complicit 785 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: by not reporting that person right or supporting them in 786 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: their criminal endeavor. Uh. The idea that an entire department 787 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: would be active is is less likely. But I don't know, 788 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think is this? Is this 789 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 1: an actual active cover up or conspiracy on the part 790 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: of the police department. We found allegations and rumors about this. 791 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: We found solid proof of Milwaukee's trafficking problem, that's its 792 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 1: old web of conspiracies, But we didn't find hard evidence 793 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: of police participation in trafficking. Uh. We found a lot 794 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: of evidence that people in Milwaukee feel police are not 795 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: uh doing all they can or should with reports of 796 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: missing children. But here also, you know, we have to 797 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: ask where did this trafficking concern come from? Is this 798 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: something that grew in the susprous of uncertainty during you know, 799 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: a crowds protests as it began moving as a unit. 800 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: It's a known problem in Milwaukee. I just I don't know, 801 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: it's tough to know any of that stuff. But Ben, 802 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm going back really quickly to what you were talking 803 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: about with individual police officers and corruption and you know, 804 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: small groups of people working together in a corrupt way. 805 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: When dealing with any kind of authority group like that, 806 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: I would just say, when there is a powerful person 807 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: involved that is more powerful than a police officer or 808 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,320 Speaker 1: a lieutenant or a chief even involved in any kind 809 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: of activity, I think that's when corruption really comes into play. Um. 810 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm speaking completely on generalities here, but 811 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past on a couple of episodes 812 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: where when somebody very very powerful we're talking politicians, maybe 813 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: even a religious leader, or somebody who holds sway over 814 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other people, is involved in doing something 815 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:56,240 Speaker 1: illegal or nefarious or downright um monstrous, as in human sex, 816 00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: trafficking with children. The necessary amount of cooperation with a 817 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: police force on a wide scale, I think rises I 818 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, And and you know 819 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: it's it's true that in the past, the allegations of 820 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: this sort have been proven, you know what I mean, 821 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: if if this were true, it would not be the 822 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: unfortunately not be the first case. It's just, and this 823 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: is entirely my moment perspective. I did not find I 824 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: I did not find stuff that I thought was hard 825 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: evidence of of trafficking. And maybe that's because there's more 826 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: to the story that hasn't been put out there. You know, 827 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,240 Speaker 1: at which point? At which point I would I would 828 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: propose that we passed the torch to our fellow conspiracy realists. 829 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,919 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think? Do you think this 830 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: is um panic on part of a crowd, however well intentioned. 831 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: Do you do you think that there is more to 832 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: this story? Where are why are there discrepancies between the 833 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: official accounts and the accounts that we see from civilians 834 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: or from people reacting to this online. We want to know. 835 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: And if you're from Milwaukee, UH, tell us, tell us 836 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: what you can about what appears to be an ongoing 837 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,879 Speaker 1: UH struggle with human trafficking. And again, not to pick 838 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 1: on Milwaukee, this is very this is unfortunately a common 839 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: problem in a lot of cities, and a lot of 840 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: US cities. I mean, pre pandemic. We can't forget Atlanta, 841 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: Georgia had the world's busiest airport. It was a trafficking hub, 842 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: so we're we're aware of that as well. Yeah, absolutely, 843 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. This does seem like a 844 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: perfect storm of anger and resentment towards the police and 845 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: miscommunication and the big problem with these live streams, Like, 846 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: on the one hand, yeah, it's great they can proliferate 847 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: and raise awareness for an issue, but it's also with 848 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: the Internet, it's really easy for misinformation to move very quickly, 849 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 1: just as quickly as good information, and oftentimes more quickly, 850 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: because people like a juicy story, and oftentimes that misinformation 851 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: is a little grabbyer, it's a little sexier and click baity, 852 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: and so that's the stuff that people spread, uh and 853 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: and report. 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