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Speaker 1: Fantasy best Friends Forever m D. Did Do Do Do Do?
Speaker 1: Don too yea. This is the Fantasy best Friends Forever
Speaker 1: here on the Fantasy Sports Radio and work alongside Frankie Stample.
Speaker 1: I am Greg sauceman. Frankie. What's going on that much? Greggy?
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the Jets night. J et S see
Speaker 1: how long Sam Donald is in there? Getting more indications
Speaker 1: that he might be the week one starter, so that
Speaker 1: is very fun. Um. Just excited overall for some football tonight.
Speaker 1: But the more important question, Greg, how was your kickball
Speaker 1: playoffs last night? So last night we were playing a
Speaker 1: crap team. No, don't tell me we won sixteen to one.
Speaker 1: That was not that was never the issue. Here's the issue.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm being honest, and I've saved this. I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody else talk about it on the air
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do it with you. Frank, Okay,
Speaker 1: can I take a guess before you were bored because
Speaker 1: you're blowing No. I never, I've never, even absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I know we're playing this terrible team, and I know
Speaker 1: I got it. My mentality always is, you gotta play
Speaker 1: my ass off, no matter what way to win the game. Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm leading off bottom of the first I butt
Speaker 1: it down the first baseline. First basement was creeping in.
Speaker 1: He grabs it like I am dead to rights obviously,
Speaker 1: but I know he's gonna try to peg me because whatever,
Speaker 1: So I try to like run outside the base fine,
Speaker 1: and instead of pegging me, he doesn't want to throw it.
Speaker 1: So he's a big man and I jump and he
Speaker 1: collides with me and I go down hard. Whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: a gamer. Adrenaline is adrenaline is rolling, it's rocking. I'm fine,
Speaker 1: flipped upside down. I did, but I felt this massive
Speaker 1: bruise on my um like left hip ish area, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more thigh. I guess I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be painful. And then walking after the game,
Speaker 1: adrenaline is like going down like fine, no big deal.
Speaker 1: And then when I got home and like showered like immobile.
Speaker 1: I so last night, I'm moving pretty good. Today I
Speaker 1: am in so much pain. When I got here, I
Speaker 1: went behind the bar. I got a whole thing of
Speaker 1: ice and put it like in my shorts and sat
Speaker 1: with it. Before you got here. Yeah, I was like, so,
Speaker 1: I normally start sleeping on my left side, and I
Speaker 1: rolled over to the middle and then in the right.
Speaker 1: It was too much pain. Just lay on my left side,
Speaker 1: like I can't do it because I can't teach my
Speaker 1: shorts off to show you the bruise. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, we're best friends. I want
Speaker 1: to do it during a break. We could. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could do it on the air if you want.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to it is is large. Yeah, it hurts.
Speaker 1: Did you get the old rub down from Judy after
Speaker 1: the game. She's got to help you out, right, She said,
Speaker 1: do you want advil? It's it? Yeah. She didn't break
Speaker 1: out the baby oil or nothing. Nothing. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could bring the baby oil from here. The problem was
Speaker 1: I was talking to about this this morning because it's
Speaker 1: not like a muscle crap, and it's just literally a bruise.
Speaker 1: Even if you're in a massage, they're just gonna rub it. Right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt worse. Like I just touched on some
Speaker 1: bank or something, right, that to be good, But that's
Speaker 1: a muscle thing. Also, it's like a bruise thing, bruise
Speaker 1: just there. Nothing you can do. I and Adeville exactly.
Speaker 1: So I iced it this morning. I mean, you still
Speaker 1: should have got to should have got a little rub down,
Speaker 1: but I shouldn't have done is done. I was dead
Speaker 1: to rights. Like what am I just take the out
Speaker 1: move and go back to the I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Make it fun? Greg, Come on, like you said, you're
Speaker 1: a gamer, bro, So I did. It's the next two
Speaker 1: times out no buds blood Budsen obviously got on bass,
Speaker 1: and then because we were up like eleven nothing or
Speaker 1: eleven one or whatever, I kicked it as far as
Speaker 1: I could to the center field wall or a double.
Speaker 1: I mean, next game, next playoff games, next Wedesi. Nice.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you, Greggy. We did get it right
Speaker 1: in for something that might be able to help you,
Speaker 1: all right, please, Pineapple and cherry Juice works as an
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory. According to Elizabeth Miranda, all right, we could
Speaker 1: ask Dr A what you should do when he comes
Speaker 1: on leader in the show. Alright, alright, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All right. So on the show today, we wanted to
Speaker 1: come to the top twenty four running backs. Yesterday we
Speaker 1: got through the top fifteen, right, we got through the
Speaker 1: top fifteen or top fifteen, my top fifteen. We've got
Speaker 1: through my top fifteen. And then one guy in here
Speaker 1: um named Jack McKinnon, and one guy a little bit
Speaker 1: later on for you today, we're gonna I'm not gonn
Speaker 1: a cap on it. Uh. We called it middle round
Speaker 1: running backs. So that's where they're going. All the guys
Speaker 1: I named for me, our guys, you're taking the first
Speaker 1: three rounds. I know it's not necessarily the case for you,
Speaker 1: but these are the next crew of guys or guys
Speaker 1: were very very comfortable with taking the middle rounds. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: on the show, I assume we'll still be talking running backs,
Speaker 1: and those are me your late round flyers. Guys like
Speaker 1: take a shot on we should do a segment where
Speaker 1: we like rank the handcuffs, like Deep Hank do that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Chase Edmunds both Scarboro guys like that. By the way,
Speaker 1: I love Boscar brow Um. But we've got tomorrow today.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of middle round running back to get to.
Speaker 1: We have dr A coming on in about ten minutes,
Speaker 1: so let's get right into it. And with that we
Speaker 1: lead off with the stat of the Dead. Yes, sir Gregy,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned to you downstairs. It has to do
Speaker 1: with DeMarco Murray and Derrick Henry the Tennessee Titans backfield,
Speaker 1: and that is de Marco Murray scored nineteen total touchdowns
Speaker 1: with the Titans over the past two seasons, sixteen of
Speaker 1: those in from seven yards out or less. Additionally, Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry has had fourteen or more carries five times in
Speaker 1: his career. He scored a touchdown in every single one
Speaker 1: of those games. So for DeMarco mur scoring sixteen of
Speaker 1: his nineteen touchdowns from seven yards out, it seems like
Speaker 1: a large probability of those will be going to Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: or at least that's what we expect for him to
Speaker 1: get the ball inside the tin, maybe inside the five
Speaker 1: yard line this season. That's that's correct, So I'm excited
Speaker 1: about his touch on upside this year. I am too,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons I like Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm you know, Derrick Henry. I like Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry more than Alex Collins. I think, and you hate,
Speaker 1: I know that, that's fine, But I really like Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry this year. Yeah, I have Derrick Henry in that
Speaker 1: next year after Alex Collins. I just have Collins like
Speaker 1: entrenched in the third round. But I think once you
Speaker 1: get into that fourth or maybe even if you miss
Speaker 1: out on some of these guys in the third round,
Speaker 1: or if you want to veer away from a Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy for reasons we will obviously mentioned, I have Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry as my RB eighteen and half PPR. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, once DeMarco Murray got cut, everyone was so
Speaker 1: gung ho about Derrick Henry. I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: were pushing them all the way up the draft board.
Speaker 1: Now I think it's gone a little bit too far
Speaker 1: the other way for him to be going in. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, maybe like the middle of the fourth round.
Speaker 1: But I think once you get to that three four swing,
Speaker 1: if you miss out on Alex Collins, uh no, probably not.
Speaker 1: But before the rookies and guys like that I think
Speaker 1: that's a nice spot for Derrick Henry to really slot himself.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think Derrick Henry is a really fine
Speaker 1: r V tail. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: He's not the high quality guy. But like where you're going, um,
Speaker 1: where you're going fine, I don't. I don't think he
Speaker 1: has immense overall upside. But I looked at the past
Speaker 1: two years in terms of carries for the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: running backs, in four hundred and three carries between DeMarco
Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry. Last year three hundred and sixty carries
Speaker 1: between the both of those guys. So I mentioned that
Speaker 1: stat that whenever Derrick Henry gets fourteen carries a game,
Speaker 1: he has scored a touchdown. If you just project fourteen
Speaker 1: carries per game over sixteen games, that's two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty four carries. I think Derrick Henry could be in
Speaker 1: that two hundred and thirty two hundred and forty carry range.
Speaker 1: That leaves about you from like a hundred hundred and
Speaker 1: forty carries for Deann Lewis plus whatever he does in
Speaker 1: the past game, whether it's like forty fifty receptions. I
Speaker 1: think that's a fine workload and a fine time split
Speaker 1: for Derrick Henry and Deann Lewis. I think that's a
Speaker 1: fair projection. I think, you know, like eleven hundred total
Speaker 1: yards and anywhere from like eight nine touchdowns. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair for Derrick Henry, like nine fifty rushing and
Speaker 1: like maybe a hundred fifty receiving. I think that's a
Speaker 1: very fine projection. I don't think he has immense overall upside,
Speaker 1: but for the touchdowns overall, especially in standard and half PPR,
Speaker 1: I like him in that range full point for you,
Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen, so he number eighteen. For me, he is
Speaker 1: number seventeen, which makes sense because he's one spot ahead
Speaker 1: of Alex cons How dare you when numbers? He's right,
Speaker 1: who's six? Who's the guy who is six? Who is
Speaker 1: the one guy in between? Here? Want to know Sean
Speaker 1: McCoy And that's how we ended the show yesterday, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly where he wanted to pick up today. So
Speaker 1: what do you have mcquar right? And now I know
Speaker 1: you don't. You're not gonna draft him. But you know,
Speaker 1: something Jake always said is the way that he makes
Speaker 1: his rankings is where he thinks running backs can actually finish,
Speaker 1: and you're projecting with basically everything that we know right now.
Speaker 1: When you project players and rank them, it's assuming that
Speaker 1: they're gonna play sixteen games. But I think those are
Speaker 1: two different definitions, right, projections and rankings. Like I'm ranking
Speaker 1: this for me and if you want to buy it,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but like I'm not what's your what's your
Speaker 1: ven I'm not using this as a projection model. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to do that. I'm really not. I not
Speaker 1: where you think players can finish this here? Oh well, yes,
Speaker 1: it just goes based on like where you want to draft, yes,
Speaker 1: and I try to do a combination. So that's more
Speaker 1: what it is. It's it's the order that I want
Speaker 1: to draft these guys, and like that's Here's obviously the
Speaker 1: most important thing of that because there's so many guys
Speaker 1: that are like, all right, I'll take either guy. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it, especially in an auction, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, like it's just the order of guys that
Speaker 1: I want, Like I like Marshawn lynch and and Rex
Speaker 1: Burke had a lot, both of them I have next
Speaker 1: to each other just because just one spot I had
Speaker 1: a birkehad. Do I want him that much more? No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's close for me. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I am. Before yesterday's show, I had the Sean
Speaker 1: McCoy ranked as my sixteenth ranks running back right in
Speaker 1: the same range that you have, the same exact spot.
Speaker 1: I dropped him to twenty nine after the show, or
Speaker 1: at some point between yesterday and sad Um because I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be the ones that gets him, and I
Speaker 1: know that, and I'm uncomfortable with that if it gets
Speaker 1: to this point, this price point, fine it won't, but
Speaker 1: I am just definitely concerned. Not that he's gonna be
Speaker 1: suspended yet, but it gets so bad that the details
Speaker 1: of this case gets so bad. He's placed in the
Speaker 1: Commissioner exemple list with Adrian Peters, and Adrian Peterson was
Speaker 1: not arrested for anything at the time, right like he
Speaker 1: had these problems that comes out, he goes on the
Speaker 1: Commissioner example list. That was it. He's on that list
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. That's what scares me
Speaker 1: the most about McCoy. And I know people like Jake
Speaker 1: for instance, are grabbing at McCoy and every value he
Speaker 1: has stay with Wentz to stay with um alshon Jeffrey
Speaker 1: with Jake mco is one of these guys. There's too
Speaker 1: much risk there, and I get the reward, right, the
Speaker 1: rewards you're getting a second round guy in the fourth,
Speaker 1: I get that, or the third. I'd rather someone else
Speaker 1: take that risk because I feel like you're just waiting
Speaker 1: for another shoe to drop. And this isn't like Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: where there's that there's that like definite timeline, like all right,
Speaker 1: you may lose him for six games, Max, that's it.
Speaker 1: You don't know when it's coming, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: six games at some point. If he ends up on
Speaker 1: that commissioner list, he could definitely not play this year, correct,
Speaker 1: And that's what scares me so much that I can't
Speaker 1: pull that trigger. So that risk is not worth the
Speaker 1: reward for me. Yeah, So the way that I'm ranking
Speaker 1: it is that I think, if you were to play
Speaker 1: sixteen games, this is a fine range for him to
Speaker 1: be in just based on volume. And I mentioned yesterday
Speaker 1: that last year, UH Frank Gore had two and sixty
Speaker 1: one carries, and just based on that volume, he finished
Speaker 1: RB nineteen. So you just see based on volume what
Speaker 1: your floor can actually be. I mean, even without the
Speaker 1: Commissioner's list and and this ongoing investigation that we have
Speaker 1: with la shaw McCoy, there were concerns already right like
Speaker 1: he lost three quality offensive lineman and Corty Glenn, Eric
Speaker 1: would Richie incognito. L shaw McCoy is thirty years old.
Speaker 1: He has over hundred career touches, so we know that
Speaker 1: with running backs these things can like you could fall
Speaker 1: off the fall off a cliff fast. So I mean
Speaker 1: there's questions about the offense. If Josh Allen is the
Speaker 1: quarterback a J mccaren, how many scoring opportunities is he
Speaker 1: gonna get? So we had all these concerns already. Um.
Speaker 1: The reason why I still have him ranked in this
Speaker 1: range is because if you just if you're expecting him
Speaker 1: to play, I think his floor is you're gonna get
Speaker 1: at least two fifty carries and probably forty plus perceptions.
Speaker 1: That's why I still have ranking this range. In terms
Speaker 1: of drafting him. I don't have him on a single
Speaker 1: team yet, and I don't I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: gonna end up happening either, just for the reasons that
Speaker 1: you that you said, Greg like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that risk of him not playing is worth the reward
Speaker 1: of getting a you know what, if everything works out,
Speaker 1: he could be like maybe like the their twelve, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: absolutely is that risk worth it? And I say, now
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Now. The other guy that you have
Speaker 1: to talk about in this range is mark Ingram. Right,
Speaker 1: mark Ingram suspended for four games to start the season.
Speaker 1: But we know what it is. It's four games to
Speaker 1: start the year and that's it. You're done, got it? Cool?
Speaker 1: Problem with mark Ingram was a problem you're gonna have
Speaker 1: go into this season. There's Alvin Kamara too, and what
Speaker 1: role does mark Ingram play. No one remembers this or
Speaker 1: talks about this now, but mark Ingram was really awesome
Speaker 1: last year, like, really really awesome last year. The other
Speaker 1: side of that is, you know, if you're a mark
Speaker 1: Ingram owner or a mark Ingram supporter that Sean Payton
Speaker 1: and mark Ingram have a love hate relationship. There's times
Speaker 1: where he's just glued to the bench and you're just like,
Speaker 1: what the f There's a lot going on mark Ingram.
Speaker 1: But the reward could be great, Like, but the other
Speaker 1: side of that, the risk there is he comes back
Speaker 1: from his four game suspension, and Sean Payton's an idiot
Speaker 1: or a dick, and it's like, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna stay with Jonathan Williams here instead, we're you know,
Speaker 1: marketing or we don't need you, and like that he's crazy.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, you'd have to imagine they trade him.
Speaker 1: They would have to. Yes, I agree, I agree with
Speaker 1: Washington maybe so and I agree with that. So all
Speaker 1: that being said, will you have mark Ingram rank? Because
Speaker 1: this is one I had actually lower originally, Um, but
Speaker 1: I moved him up since yesterday because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I like more mark Ingram more than
Speaker 1: some of these guys. I'd be happier with him than
Speaker 1: some of these guys. So I actually moved him up.
Speaker 1: Where where do you have him? I have him RB,
Speaker 1: it's the cut off, it's you know, he's look, we
Speaker 1: all know that if he wasn't suspended, he'd probably be going,
Speaker 1: you know in this early third round range, which Joe
Speaker 1: Mason and guys like that's not earlier, man, not earlier.
Speaker 1: You know that group that we spoke about yesterday in
Speaker 1: the second round that included DeVante Freeman, Jordan Howard, Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. I think he would probably be in that
Speaker 1: in that two three turn range, but I probably like
Speaker 1: him better than I probably have him ranked my fourteenth
Speaker 1: ranked running back. UM to me, I had a McKinnon certainly,
Speaker 1: and I had him mixing for me as well. He
Speaker 1: would he would be if he wasn't suspending my ran
Speaker 1: running back, and I think that's fair. But you know,
Speaker 1: he drops ten spots because look, four games is a
Speaker 1: big deal, especially you know a lot of fantasy football
Speaker 1: leagues you play maybe twelve thirteen regular season games, so
Speaker 1: you're missing about a third of the season from mark ingram.
Speaker 1: And then you know that unexpected UM Saints coaching staff
Speaker 1: where we don't really know what's going to happen once
Speaker 1: he returns. I am in the camp. I believe that
Speaker 1: once he returns, maybe he doesn't get the full workload
Speaker 1: that he did last year, But I still do think
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a big part of this offense,
Speaker 1: not only on the ground. Remember he's been catching the
Speaker 1: ball more and more of the past couple of seasons
Speaker 1: as well. I think something that we should talk about
Speaker 1: and could this show it makes sense is which running
Speaker 1: backs does it make sense to draft with Mark going
Speaker 1: to if you're gonna take him, because I think that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who makes sense in this range.
Speaker 1: And I know you don't like Lamar Miller, but if
Speaker 1: Deonta Foreman starts to year on the publist and we
Speaker 1: get the first, you know, six games where Lamar Miller
Speaker 1: is the loan back there really and he's getting between
Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen touches a game, I think that makes
Speaker 1: sense where you know, if you have a late fourth,
Speaker 1: you go Lamar Miller and Mark Ingram in the four,
Speaker 1: in the fifth, and then you just kind of play
Speaker 1: Miller until Ingram comes back. Another guy who comes to
Speaker 1: mind is Rex Burkin with the New England Patriots, because look,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Patriots are going to put Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle on the field as a starting running back or
Speaker 1: give him a significant role until he understands the offense,
Speaker 1: understands past protection. We've seen that year in a year
Speaker 1: out with Belichick and his staff. They're not gonna put
Speaker 1: a rookie or a running back nevertheless, in a position
Speaker 1: unless they know what they're doing. Some other names that
Speaker 1: come to mind Chris Carson, right, Rashan Penny out for
Speaker 1: maybe the first week or two with his hand injury,
Speaker 1: with his finger injury, Chris Carson is gonna be the
Speaker 1: guy to start the year with Rashant Penny first round,
Speaker 1: Pettigree comes back, he may get that role. By the
Speaker 1: time that he gets that role, you have mark Ingram back,
Speaker 1: and the guys at CBS un the CBS podcast, we're
Speaker 1: gonna gim all the credit. Like they came up with
Speaker 1: the idea of Frank told me right after the show yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's brilliant. And that's pairing of mark
Speaker 1: Ingram with a Jamal Williams because Jamal Williams is the
Speaker 1: starting running back in Green Bay for the first two weeks.
Speaker 1: You know that then our and Jones comes back, but
Speaker 1: you're already halfway through ingram suspension. Then I think that's
Speaker 1: a brilliant maneuver. Carson, Williams, Birkhead, It all makes sense, Frankie,
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about those kind of guys where you
Speaker 1: should draft them on the other side. But first players
Speaker 1: like we're shot Penny, Darius guys, they're all hurt. Our
Speaker 1: injury expert Dry talks about those guys with us coming
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Speaker 1: Welcome back the Fantasy best Friends Forever Fantasy Sports Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Frankie stand full, I'm Grang Sauceman. And when it's a
Speaker 1: running back heavy show. Of course it has been for
Speaker 1: most of the week and will continue through the end
Speaker 1: of the week. But where we begin now used to
Speaker 1: talk about running backs and talking about quarterbacks and wide
Speaker 1: receivers and more. Because it's time for that part of
Speaker 1: the week. Our injury expert, doctor Inside Injuries, joins us.
Speaker 1: Right now it's going on, doc, Hey guys, how are
Speaker 1: you guys doing? I would do it pretty well. Uh,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. Though I'm hurt, and
Speaker 1: I I don't think I'm hurt, like seriously, but I
Speaker 1: had a very bad collision in kickball last night and
Speaker 1: I have a massive bruise on my right left thigh
Speaker 1: into the buttocks region. Um, do you know how long
Speaker 1: that would take the heal? So? Did you inco incur
Speaker 1: this injury while kicking the ball? It was a collision,
Speaker 1: It was a collision. It was a collision, yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Was it an astrotur for a dirt or dirt? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's about a week. You'll recover in a week. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. It sounds about right. I also have like
Speaker 1: this thing that might be a ward growing on the
Speaker 1: bottom of my foot. It's very painful. What's going on?
Speaker 1: I think? Um? Unfortunately I'm not a specialist on a
Speaker 1: warts um, but I can refer you to the right
Speaker 1: specialist if you'd like. I actually have. I am at
Speaker 1: a point with my vediatrist next week or two weeks,
Speaker 1: so I think you know that. I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with you now, so I thought maybe we could
Speaker 1: talk about it. But nobody cares about me, doc. They
Speaker 1: care about these players, in particular the guy we just
Speaker 1: talked about, and that was Rashad Penny. Now Penny had
Speaker 1: surgery or is having surgery. I leave it on his
Speaker 1: middle finger, and there is the expectation that he should
Speaker 1: be back for opening day. And then of course it
Speaker 1: leaks out, well maybe not weak one and maybe not
Speaker 1: weak two. What's the real deal on this injury with
Speaker 1: Rashot Penny? Alright, so um October two? Uh so, so,
Speaker 1: first of all, when you have a finger fracture and
Speaker 1: you um, you have to have surgery, that means that
Speaker 1: the fracture fragments are a little bit more they're not
Speaker 1: lined up. Um, you know, they have to be sort
Speaker 1: of lined up to heal in sort of the right way.
Speaker 1: So right then and there, you know that the the
Speaker 1: you know, healing time for the fracture is going to
Speaker 1: take a little longer, you know, So three to four
Speaker 1: weeks is very optimistic. I mean, yeah, he could come
Speaker 1: back and three to four weeks with a cast or
Speaker 1: splint on, but you know, it's hard to carry the football,
Speaker 1: you know, with a cast on your hand. Right, and
Speaker 1: so um October two, our optimal recovery time is seven weeks. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously if it does hell and hell completely,
Speaker 1: it should be just as good as you right before
Speaker 1: when the season was going to start. If he tries
Speaker 1: to come back early and and it it it sort
Speaker 1: of worsens the fracture, it prevents healing, then you could
Speaker 1: be taught about ten, twelve, fourteen weeks if he kind
Speaker 1: of worsens it by coming back to early. So that's
Speaker 1: something you guys fantasy players have to take a look at.
Speaker 1: October two is sort of like the day we're talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: we we don't think that he should return bye week
Speaker 1: one alright. So also essentially Frankie Rashan Patty is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be back sooner than that because they're gonna rush
Speaker 1: him most likely, I would think. But October two is
Speaker 1: when Dr A and the guy's inside injuries want him
Speaker 1: to return. That makes me very very hesitant, and it
Speaker 1: really makes me like my Chris Carson more Ingram idea
Speaker 1: from a moment ago. But damn, really tough news when
Speaker 1: it comes to a penny. Yeah, that's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, is you know you bringing up Chris
Speaker 1: Carson as a player to pair with Mark Ingram makes
Speaker 1: even more sense. And I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: this report yesterday, Greg, but from Ian Rabbitport, he actually
Speaker 1: said that the Seahawks view Chris Carson as their bell
Speaker 1: cow running back. Now we don't believe that, but maybe
Speaker 1: they meant it for like the first couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: the first month of the Sea reason, while Rashad Penny
Speaker 1: is getting right, this whole Seahawks running back situation has
Speaker 1: become a complete disaster. I mean, even going back to
Speaker 1: them drafting Penny in the first place, Like this team
Speaker 1: has so many holes, they go out and draft a
Speaker 1: running back and then throughout prison preseason talk up a
Speaker 1: running back who they took the year prior in the
Speaker 1: seventh round over the guy they just took in the
Speaker 1: first round. So it just really doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. And there's a lot, you know, really upside down.
Speaker 1: I've dropped shot Penny all the way down to RB thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have think that kind of makes sense with everything
Speaker 1: that we're hearing right now, I have, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to move down even farther. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: think I think also you guys should add one thing
Speaker 1: about him, is that guy running backs the finger fractures
Speaker 1: when they first come back onto the field, their HPF
Speaker 1: does not escalate as fast as you wanted to the
Speaker 1: main reason why is they're also a fumble risk point
Speaker 1: because of um, you know, their hesitancy on getting hit
Speaker 1: right at the ball level. So it takes a few
Speaker 1: weeks for them to get used to that as well.
Speaker 1: So that's something to consider. Even if you do take him, um,
Speaker 1: you know, don't expect him to come right back right away,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, he may have a higher fumble
Speaker 1: rate than you know, other running backs. That's a great point.
Speaker 1: That's a really really great point. Doc, drop for shot
Speaker 1: Penny in your rankings. Now continuing on Doc with the
Speaker 1: running back Sonny Michelle has been out for a while
Speaker 1: New England. We were just talking about him and why
Speaker 1: Rex birkeheads potentially a good pair with mark Ingram. How
Speaker 1: close is Sonny Michelle returned to returning to New England. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I have to give our team some kudos here
Speaker 1: because when remember when they reported last week when Sonny
Speaker 1: Michelle just getting some knee procedure, some something happened. We
Speaker 1: immediately talked about this like it's a clean Remember we had.
Speaker 1: We had this discussion and totally it was a clean
Speaker 1: up procedure, likely with debris and you know, with loose bodies, right,
Speaker 1: remember all of that stuff. Well, that's exactly what he
Speaker 1: had basically. And so the thing is is he's so
Speaker 1: young and he had to already have this procedure, this
Speaker 1: type of procedure. Usually he's reserved for a seven eight
Speaker 1: year veteran that's been in the league that's developed us
Speaker 1: to our r arthritis with loose pot So that is
Speaker 1: a that is sort of a uh, sort of a
Speaker 1: small thing of signs, signs, you know, sort of things
Speaker 1: to come, a small sign for things to come. And
Speaker 1: so you know, Sony Michelle, great talent, love the kid,
Speaker 1: but you know, uh, it's really really going to be
Speaker 1: difficult for him in terms of of this of this need.
Speaker 1: Throughout this initial season. He's at twenty two percent injury
Speaker 1: risk because of this. So you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: where you guys have him on your RB, but I
Speaker 1: think he's you know, thirty plus at this point. For
Speaker 1: me to answer your question, Doc, I have Sonny Michelle
Speaker 1: very low. I'm with you, Yeah, that is very low.
Speaker 1: I have him still at RB thirty six, just because
Speaker 1: I look, they drafted him this early, so he has
Speaker 1: the pedigree and I think at some point he will
Speaker 1: have a significant role with the Patriots, and we saw
Speaker 1: last year that can be a league winner with guys
Speaker 1: like Dean Lewis what he did down the stretch for
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. So I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: more so something to pay attendant to in dynasty, right, Greg, Like,
Speaker 1: if you have a rookie yne to see draft, what
Speaker 1: Doctor is talking about is, you know, a procedure like
Speaker 1: this is usually done on a veteran who's seven or
Speaker 1: eight years into his career. Sony Michelle's having that done
Speaker 1: before he even takes an NFL snatch. It's kind of scary.
Speaker 1: It's entially if you're going into a rookie dynasty draft.
Speaker 1: So I think that's something to keep in mind. Doc.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about one Jerick McKinnon, who
Speaker 1: I think I've just kind of escalated to become the
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon hater ultimately. Um And look, he went to
Speaker 1: have an m r I on his knee last week.
Speaker 1: We saw when he left practice and it m r
Speaker 1: I revealed that he has just a muscle strain. So ultimately,
Speaker 1: what does that mean for fantasy football? Is that something
Speaker 1: that can learn with him for the entirety of the season.
Speaker 1: When is he going to be healthy? What he got
Speaker 1: on Jack McKinnon. Yeah, so, uh, first of all, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it looks like it's a grade one calf injury.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and so good news is is that, um,
Speaker 1: it's not a tear. It's not a grade two, so
Speaker 1: that would really really set him back. It's a grade one, um,
Speaker 1: And you know, so that that's good. That's a good
Speaker 1: news now out the um. You know, he just he
Speaker 1: missed just one game in a four year NFL career,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's really really good historical data for
Speaker 1: us from Jerick McKinnon standpoint. So here's here's sort of
Speaker 1: the short and skinny of it. He's got. He's an
Speaker 1: elevated injury risk right now. Not surprising because calf injuries
Speaker 1: to running backs, you know, it's just they need time
Speaker 1: to recover. August one is when we're looking at him
Speaker 1: to be completely healed from this injury, and if he
Speaker 1: doesn't have any setbacks, he will be back at low
Speaker 1: injury risk and back up to above average at least
Speaker 1: and probably hitting peaks. So just way two weeks and
Speaker 1: you know, some people may take him at RB even lower,
Speaker 1: even higher than fifteen if you know that that's where
Speaker 1: we're looking at. I think the the the key thing
Speaker 1: is is that he doesn't have a setback in the
Speaker 1: next two weeks and then he should be really back
Speaker 1: to low and peak health to start the season. So
Speaker 1: that's pretty comforting for me. Who does that. Jerry McKinnon
Speaker 1: ranks right around that number fifteen spot. Uh doc um.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's great, and I think
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to be healthy and through
Speaker 1: the frank he only missed one game despite the slight frame,
Speaker 1: he as he's gonna be fine and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a bell cow ish in this offense. I love Jeric McKinnon.
Speaker 1: That would maybe feel a whole lot better as it should.
Speaker 1: That is good news for you. I still just I
Speaker 1: don't buy. I don't know if he'll be able to
Speaker 1: be that workhorse that we all expect to be. Maybe
Speaker 1: for PPR purposes, can he plus can he catch sixty
Speaker 1: plus passes this year? Yeah, that's probably possible. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like guys like Matt Breda maybe even like
Speaker 1: a Joe Williams. They're talking up Jeremy McNichols now too.
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance all of these guys kind
Speaker 1: of get worked in the season. It could end up
Speaker 1: being a frustrating situation. Um. That's those are just part
Speaker 1: of the reasons why. That's the that's the thing with HPF. Also,
Speaker 1: that's so he could be playing in the game, but
Speaker 1: he also has to be productive to win Fantasy points. Right,
Speaker 1: So the stat by just playing in a game is
Speaker 1: not good enough. Um, you know obviously, it's you have
Speaker 1: to have. That's why the HPF is there. Is if
Speaker 1: he's in the game, will he be affected and effective?
Speaker 1: And so, um will this injury impact that? And so Um,
Speaker 1: what we're saying is is that he may not get
Speaker 1: to peek right away, but above average with his talent
Speaker 1: and the fact that he'll be at low injury risk
Speaker 1: will give him our data was saying that it will
Speaker 1: give him enough sort of prowess to be up there
Speaker 1: like an RB fIF team. All right, so let me
Speaker 1: get over, Um, let me get over to your giants
Speaker 1: who had a running back injury of their own. His
Speaker 1: sequon Barkley tweaked his hamstring, that's what they're calling it.
Speaker 1: He had an m R. I uh, they keep going
Speaker 1: it this week. He's been in a uniform all week
Speaker 1: in practice, but he hasn't really done all that much.
Speaker 1: He said today, if it was a playoff game, he
Speaker 1: hopes he would be out there. It wasn't exactly like
Speaker 1: I would definitely play. It was yeah, I hope. So,
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know exactly what that means.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a grade one hamstring strain. But what
Speaker 1: are you hearing and seeing when it comes to Sequon Barkley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a grade one hamstring rain. Um, so
Speaker 1: it's not a soft tissue. Um, it's a grade one
Speaker 1: so it's a two week recovery and he should be
Speaker 1: fine August twenty one. Now here's the here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Um our algorithm is saying that just because of this
Speaker 1: little tweak, it's not really impacting his injury risk category.
Speaker 1: It's staying low. So that's good. Now he's moved into
Speaker 1: below average, but that will escalate back to peak health
Speaker 1: without any setbacks. So starting if he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: setbacks or any other injuries, grade one should resolve, and
Speaker 1: then by August, the twenty one last week of August,
Speaker 1: he should be back to low in peak health. So
Speaker 1: right now, if if this is the only injury and
Speaker 1: he's your UM, and he's obviously your RB five, then
Speaker 1: you know you'll be okay. Yeah, so that that makes
Speaker 1: me very very comfortable. Let's where he is by RB five, right,
Speaker 1: so he's right, he's right there. Um, that's awesome that
Speaker 1: you would say called Markley and mrs week's preseason game
Speaker 1: probably this next week's preseason game, which is fine, and
Speaker 1: then I'll have two weeks of practice for real for
Speaker 1: the openers. So that is absolutely perfect when it comes
Speaker 1: to Sae Kwon Barkley. But in the Flex League Draft,
Speaker 1: rank I jumped on two Indianapolis Colts running backs, neither
Speaker 1: of which were named Marlon Mack because I thought those
Speaker 1: injuries sounded kind of serious when it came to Marlon Mack.
Speaker 1: And plus everybody hates Marlon Mack anyway. So dr A,
Speaker 1: how serious is he injured Marlin Mac? Yeah? So it's
Speaker 1: a Grade one hamstring injuries. Can it's it's it's a manageable.
Speaker 1: The team called it a man's ble hampsting. Strain. It
Speaker 1: is a managed ble hampsting strange. So we're congruent there.
Speaker 1: No game has been shipped there, um, but so here.
Speaker 1: But here's the issue. Before this injury occurred, we had
Speaker 1: him already at elevated injury risk and at PEAKEL. So
Speaker 1: he was one of these elevated high risk, not high
Speaker 1: risk high reward, but elevated risk, high reward type of guys.
Speaker 1: Now he's at elevated injury risk and he's dropped to
Speaker 1: below average at because of all of his other histories.
Speaker 1: And you know, he had he missed the entire rookie
Speaker 1: season with a torn labor and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys remember that, um, but you know that's a
Speaker 1: big thing for an algorithmic standpoint, And so he won't
Speaker 1: get back up to peacalf. He'll be at elevated injury
Speaker 1: risk and likely above average maybe below like kind of
Speaker 1: teetering on that border of HPF. So that's dropped in
Speaker 1: our minds that he would go from an RB thirty
Speaker 1: four to above forty five. A right there you go.
Speaker 1: Not exactly what you like to hear on Marlon Mack. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really the Marlin Marlon Mack guy
Speaker 1: at all. And you know, some people shot you some
Speaker 1: looks when you ended up with Jordan Wilkins and Niheem Hinz.
Speaker 1: But I do think it will be I think it
Speaker 1: won't be long before those guys end up as z
Speaker 1: running back tandem in Indianapolis. Dr. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about obviously two very important Steelers to their offense,
Speaker 1: Big Ben and Antonio Brown. Big Ben, we know is
Speaker 1: dealing with a concussion. He left practice the other day.
Speaker 1: We're not going to see him this week. I don't
Speaker 1: know how long he's going to be out. Um, So
Speaker 1: let's start with Big Ben and then Antonio Brown, who
Speaker 1: is dealing with this quad injury. Who it's kind of
Speaker 1: like what's flown under the radar throughout the preseason, but
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's still something that we should
Speaker 1: monitor considering. You know, he is the consensus number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver off the board. So what do you have
Speaker 1: on Big Ben in Antonio Brown? What are the severities
Speaker 1: for each of them? Yeah, so I think the world
Speaker 1: stopped in Pittsburgh when these two injuries got released. You know.
Speaker 1: Uh so the Ben Roethlisberger, you know, the guy is
Speaker 1: a workhorse. I mean, he just gets injured all the time,
Speaker 1: but somehow finds a way to play and somewhat be productive. However,
Speaker 1: you know, years catch up to you, so that we
Speaker 1: call him the house of cards analysis. So basically, you
Speaker 1: know he was at low end peak, but we said
Speaker 1: that if he had any type of injury before the
Speaker 1: season started, that house of cards falls basically because he's
Speaker 1: had He's got so many injuries in the past, and
Speaker 1: so he's at high injury risk at seven now and
Speaker 1: below average at HPF and he's just gonna be not
Speaker 1: getting anywhere near to low and peak anymore. And so
Speaker 1: he in our mind, you got to drop him because
Speaker 1: he will not he this this is a sign of
Speaker 1: things to come this year for Ben Roethlisberger, is what
Speaker 1: our algorithm is saying. So, I mean, this is I
Speaker 1: think this is his fourth concussion or fifth concussion. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he's had. He's had a ton of them.
Speaker 1: But his healthy to recovery date is August and he
Speaker 1: will be coming back with a high injury risk category.
Speaker 1: That's scary. Yeah, I Mean, the one thing I do
Speaker 1: take away from that is that you know his healthy
Speaker 1: to return data is August twenty year, so obviously that's
Speaker 1: before the season. So if we can just get him
Speaker 1: out there before the season. Look, I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: many preseason reps he actually needs. I think I've kind
Speaker 1: of come around as like the high guy on Big Bend,
Speaker 1: just based on the weapons that he has there in
Speaker 1: the offense surrounding him. So I haven't dropped him yet,
Speaker 1: but if we get more news coming out that closer
Speaker 1: to the season, uh, you know, there's more risk involved
Speaker 1: with him, I understand. And plus, like Dr A said,
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has been banged up throughout the
Speaker 1: entirety of his career. I just think when he's on
Speaker 1: the field, he's going to perform like a top twelve quarter.
Speaker 1: That's the key when he's on the field, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the key. So if you take high, if you
Speaker 1: take of what sixteen games, So, I mean, we we're
Speaker 1: thinking and our algorithm is predicting that he's going to
Speaker 1: miss at least a third of the games this year. Alright,
Speaker 1: one last question for you, doc um Antonio Brown, Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerry Brown, why don't give us that? Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Grade one quad hip strain um three weeks optimal recovery time. Okay,
Speaker 1: so August August four is when he'll be back foresee
Speaker 1: any issues. It's a minor strain, so he should be
Speaker 1: back to UM. You know, he was at a baseline
Speaker 1: of elevated injury risk at eight. So just f y I,
Speaker 1: you know, don't be surprised if he does get injured
Speaker 1: this season, even though he's a workhorse and likely the
Speaker 1: best ride receiver in the league right now when he's
Speaker 1: on the field. Alright, Doc, we we appreciate the time,
Speaker 1: and we had a lot more players. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get to UM but quickly in one sentence, essentially the
Speaker 1: other San Francisco guys George Kittle, I know when people
Speaker 1: are high own and you were really like that Brita here,
Speaker 1: Frank Um, what's going on in that Brita and George Kittle? Yeah? Great?
Speaker 1: Two shoulder injury for Brita. Um. You know it puts
Speaker 1: him to twenty injury risk. UM coming back. He'll be
Speaker 1: healthy to return on August twenty one, but he'll stay
Speaker 1: in elevated injury risk. George Kittle grade one. He had
Speaker 1: a minor separated yet I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: it was a separated shoulder, so he'll be back. He's
Speaker 1: only a fourteen percent elevated injury risk. He'll be back
Speaker 1: down to low and peep. All right, there you go,
Speaker 1: George Kittle should be okay. Matt Brina after that, dr
Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge information. As always, this has been awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man. Alright, man, have a good weekend.
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Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? Hey? I just want to ask
Speaker 1: Frank a quick questions. Sure, I'll shut my mike off.
Speaker 1: Where where do I draft Royce Freeman? Like Cowston? I
Speaker 1: know is his rise is kind of the meteoric lately.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just wondering, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna interrupt immediately. Um, I think it's an
Speaker 1: awesome but no, of course not. Um. I think it's
Speaker 1: an awesome question. And I think it's the right question
Speaker 1: because we mentioned a lot of running backs in that area.
Speaker 1: For me, at least, um we mentioned Derrick Henry, we
Speaker 1: mentioned Alex Collins. Will get into those more in a second,
Speaker 1: And I think Royce Freeman right now is almost like
Speaker 1: the last rookie running back left standing in that area.
Speaker 1: Darius Guys is in the area. He tours a c
Speaker 1: L shot of Penny's in the area. He dislocated and
Speaker 1: broke his finger. Ronald Jones is in the area and
Speaker 1: he was brutal week one of the preseason. The one
Speaker 1: left standing right there, Yeah, carry on. Johnson's obviously rookie,
Speaker 1: He's in the mix. A little bit later. For me,
Speaker 1: the one really left standing is Royce Freeman. Because the
Speaker 1: only guy is standing in his ways DeVante book or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think about DeVante Booker, but
Speaker 1: I know you like Royce Freeman a lot. Royce Freeman
Speaker 1: is very high in my ranking, is probably too high.
Speaker 1: What do you think about is Freeman and where is
Speaker 1: he ranked? Where should he be drafted? I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see where you have Royce Freeman ranked, because I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like I have him too high too. But
Speaker 1: I've moved them all the up to our RB seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have his RB sixteen, I haven't I actually
Speaker 1: have them right before Derrick Henry and Alice Collins. I
Speaker 1: think I want to just swap that and have Henry
Speaker 1: at sixteen, Collins at seventeen, maybe Freeman at eighteen. But
Speaker 1: it makes sense they're all right there. I think Freeman.
Speaker 1: I think Freeman and Derrick Henry are very close. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a good it's a good name to
Speaker 1: talk about two because we're talking about middle round running backs.
Speaker 1: I think you know he has been rising up draft
Speaker 1: boards too. To answer your question, I think the fourth round,
Speaker 1: right like, once you get the end of the fourth round,
Speaker 1: I think I think he's firmly entrenched in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: I'm in a best ball draft right now, Greg, where
Speaker 1: I started to take Kawon Barkley, I think it's picked
Speaker 1: five or six, and then I got Um, I got
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, Mike Evans in the third. If Royce Freeman
Speaker 1: is there for me in the middle of the fourth,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him as my RB two. I just
Speaker 1: think there's not much competition there. You mentioned DeVante Booker.
Speaker 1: I don't think this coaching staff, um, I don't think
Speaker 1: they like Devontae Booker all that much. They went out
Speaker 1: and they purposely drafted Royce Freeman in the third round
Speaker 1: of this year's draft, and he was a beast in
Speaker 1: college man over fifty sid career rushing yards, sixty touchdowns
Speaker 1: on the ground. Don't forget this, seventy nine receptions in
Speaker 1: his four year career at Oregon. Right, So this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, while he's two thirty, he's a little bit
Speaker 1: more bulky. He can actually catch the ball out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. So DeVante Booker could have his role on
Speaker 1: this team. Maybe you know, he'll get a series here.
Speaker 1: They're a change of pace, you know, whenever Royce Freeman
Speaker 1: wants to take a break. But Freeman looked very good.
Speaker 1: In that first preseason game, four carries thirty eight yards
Speaker 1: a twenty three yard touchdown where he just kind of
Speaker 1: scampered into the end zone and outran everybody. UM. I
Speaker 1: like his combination of being able to break tackles with
Speaker 1: his big, bulky frame catch passes out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: I think he has an opportunity here Greg to be
Speaker 1: a workhorse running back for the Denver Broncos. And that's
Speaker 1: why I moved him up that I agree with you,
Speaker 1: and that's why I have him now number night, number
Speaker 1: eight team rather um after that switch, UM, I feel
Speaker 1: the same way did he. But the question I have
Speaker 1: to ask is are we basically too much on one
Speaker 1: preseason game? And I realized it was the only thing
Speaker 1: we really have to judge of Royce Freeman on. But
Speaker 1: we kind of hate Ronald Jones now and we love
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman and a lot of that is really just
Speaker 1: based on practice reports and one preseason game. If Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones goes off tomorrow or Saturday, whenever they play, this
Speaker 1: whole narrative changes and Royce Freeman is gives you Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones name numbers, everything changes, And are we basing too
Speaker 1: much off of that. That might be true, but I
Speaker 1: just think you look at the opportunity here too, and
Speaker 1: between Tampa Bay and Denver, it's two completely different situations
Speaker 1: because everything we're hearing out of Tampa Bay right now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of similar to Seattle. They're talking to Peyton
Speaker 1: Barber as they're starting running back there. Denver, you're not
Speaker 1: really hearing that with Devontae Booker. All we're hearing out
Speaker 1: of Denver Broncos camp right now is good reports on
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman and the fact that he can be a
Speaker 1: workhorse running back and that he has that ability, and
Speaker 1: not just from coaches, you know, we're hearing this from
Speaker 1: beat reporters as well. Um, So it's just a different situation.
Speaker 1: Hayton bar Her, you know, consistently they're talking about him
Speaker 1: being the starter, and what I worry about, especially with
Speaker 1: any rookie running back, it's past protection. And they're talking
Speaker 1: about how Ronald Jones is really struggling in past protection,
Speaker 1: and not only that, he's struggling catching the ball out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Now, I don't completely hate Ronald Jones
Speaker 1: because if you look at that first preseason game, he
Speaker 1: still scored a touchdown, It's not like Peyton Barbera was
Speaker 1: amazing in that first game either. So I don't hate
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones. Maybe you knock him down a little bit,
Speaker 1: uh more so into like that sixth round range. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think where Royce Freeman is being drafted compared
Speaker 1: to Ronald Jones is warranted, and I don't think we're
Speaker 1: putting too much it since just one preseason game. Greg,
Speaker 1: I want to go to the phone lines and a
Speaker 1: lot of you are waiting at age four four, age four,
Speaker 1: three seven nine because you were Buddy Stepen and mass Chauss. Steve.
Speaker 1: Do we have Steve Stevie? He's gone alright up next
Speaker 1: Ryan from tab what's up? Ryan? Hey? How you guys
Speaker 1: doing what d Yeah? Of course, Hey. So I have
Speaker 1: a bit of a dilemma here. Uh. I have the
Speaker 1: first pick in a twelve man standard league, and the
Speaker 1: hardest part really is that, uh, you know, second round
Speaker 1: and third round pick back to back there spot And
Speaker 1: typically I've been doing a couple of mock drafts here
Speaker 1: and there, and I'm always ending up with these kind
Speaker 1: of set of uh wide receivers and running backs that
Speaker 1: I can choose from. You got mixing McCoy evans, Hilton,
Speaker 1: uh Fits, Digs, um, those kind of guys. Um, who
Speaker 1: would you pair and why? I mean, that's where I'm
Speaker 1: kind of kind of at right now, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do, so I think, obviously so I
Speaker 1: hate it. But the answer, listen, the answer to the
Speaker 1: question is by watching fras whiteboard series of who do
Speaker 1: I pick with the number one pick? This literally hazards
Speaker 1: this question, right, Yeah, And I think in a twelve
Speaker 1: man standard league, obviously you're gonna start one of the
Speaker 1: Barley or Levian Bella. I would say girly in that situation.
Speaker 1: I think the answer for me is if one of
Speaker 1: those round two running backs fall to you that we've
Speaker 1: been talking about, DeVante Freeman, Jordan Howard, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, who you're getting in mock drafts, if one
Speaker 1: of those guys fault, you definitely take one of those.
Speaker 1: Because as we've seen Greg firsthand in standard leagues, we
Speaker 1: did a non PPR draft last weekend and running backs
Speaker 1: just flew off the board. Greg had to take Marshaw
Speaker 1: Lynch in the fourth round. I took Alex Collins in
Speaker 1: the third round. It just seems like in those non
Speaker 1: PPR drafts, running backs just fly off the board. So
Speaker 1: if you're on that turn at pick one and you
Speaker 1: don't take your RB two, there's no guarantee. There's no
Speaker 1: saying who's gonna come back in that four or five swing.
Speaker 1: If you knew that you could get like mark Ingraman,
Speaker 1: another one of these running backs we've been talking about.
Speaker 1: I don't mind that strategy at the four or five turn,
Speaker 1: but personally, if one of Joe Mixon or one of
Speaker 1: those other round two running backs manages to slip to you,
Speaker 1: you take Joe Mixon and you pair him with in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Mike Evans, because I think he has the
Speaker 1: most touchdown upside of any of the wide receivers going
Speaker 1: in that range. Greg, Yeah, I I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you when it comes to the number one pick.
Speaker 1: I want to continue on phones A, four, three, six, eight, seven, nine.
Speaker 1: Michael in Texas, You're up next? What's up? Michael? What's up?
Speaker 1: Guys have to throw a couple of running back names
Speaker 1: that you late round values and wanted to know what
Speaker 1: you thought. So, uh, I mean before I go into that,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Dixon's making his debut, uh this Monday, in the
Speaker 1: preseason game. So I wanted to know what that y'all
Speaker 1: think about that and how that would affect Alex Collins
Speaker 1: as well. I wanted to know you'all take on c. J. Anderson,
Speaker 1: But Tavis Murray and the last name on my list, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: those two all right, I'll take him briefly, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let Frankie going to Kenneth Dixon and Aleix cons
Speaker 1: c J. Anderson played that fourth quarter of the Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers preseason game, the fourth quarter, and that was it.
Speaker 1: The first preseason game, and c J. Anderson, despite the contract,
Speaker 1: he's playing with the third stringers. I have no interest
Speaker 1: in c. J. Anderson. When it comes to Lottavias Murray.
Speaker 1: He's a handcuff. Is Dalvin Cook. I mean, you draft
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, you draft Lottavius Murray. He's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Frank we talked about tomorrow with the Vost Scarboroughs of
Speaker 1: the world, the Chase Edmonds of the world. Let Tavias
Speaker 1: Ury's very much on the list. Last year he proved
Speaker 1: ever capable. I'm good with Latavius Murray as a handcuff.
Speaker 1: Then you get to Baltimore and every year they have
Speaker 1: a different running back that steps up from Buck Allen,
Speaker 1: Ken Dixon to last year, Alex Collins. You're the guy,
Speaker 1: the high guy. On Alex Collins, you will leave in
Speaker 1: this dude wholeheartedly. I have a been of trepidation because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names in that vicinity that could
Speaker 1: overtake him, and you're gonna feel left out. What do
Speaker 1: you make of Kenneth Dixon and how does it affect
Speaker 1: Alex Collins. Yeah, so, originally the team drafted Kenneth Dixon
Speaker 1: to kind of be this next workhorse running back. I
Speaker 1: think they viewed him as a dual threat, a guy
Speaker 1: who can run the ball and catch the ball. If
Speaker 1: you look at what he did in college, he was
Speaker 1: able to do both of those things very successfully. The
Speaker 1: problem is he hasn't been able to stay healthy and
Speaker 1: Alex Collins to me, in my in my opinion, he
Speaker 1: would have to suck. He would have to drastically underperform
Speaker 1: for Kenneth Dixon to have standalone value this season, or
Speaker 1: he would have to get hurt. Uh. Last year, you
Speaker 1: look at what Alex Collins did in a second half
Speaker 1: of the season, he really proved that he can be
Speaker 1: a workhorse running back. I think it was after week
Speaker 1: ten he averaged nineteen touches per game. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's right in that workhorse range. So they proved how
Speaker 1: much they like him. I think that Um. I think
Speaker 1: Buck Allen is the pass catching running back on this team,
Speaker 1: so maybe Alex Alex Collins more so the first and
Speaker 1: second down back and the goal line back, and then
Speaker 1: Buck Allen is the receiving back. I think at this
Speaker 1: point Kenneth Dixon is no more than a backup a handcuff. Again,
Speaker 1: something would have to go seriously wrong with Alex Collins,
Speaker 1: whether it's under performance or injury. For kennetht Disons who
Speaker 1: have value this season, and just um talking about Lettavius Murray,
Speaker 1: I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the best handcuffs to grab, especially with Dalvin Cook coming
Speaker 1: off the torn a c l But not only that.
Speaker 1: I've read the stats yesterday about how many rushing attempts
Speaker 1: there were on this team on the Vikings last year.
Speaker 1: I think Otavius Murray can still have some standalone value,
Speaker 1: whether it's like eight to ten touches per game, but
Speaker 1: if something were to happen, to Dalvin Cook. He is
Speaker 1: easily a top fifteen run back if if Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: is not in one, absolutely absolutely Now it's it's amazing
Speaker 1: to me, Like you love Alex Collins, but you hate
Speaker 1: j g I, And j GI is going for me
Speaker 1: where I have him ranked just a few spots after
Speaker 1: Alex Collins to be exact two or three um at
Speaker 1: Alex Collins seventeen and I just moved for his freemant,
Speaker 1: So I have j g I ranked as my number
Speaker 1: twenty running back. You don't like j j I at all,
Speaker 1: you own him nowhere. Now I like him for this reason.
Speaker 1: Last year he was arguably the first round pick, right
Speaker 1: like he was a guy that maybe as we got
Speaker 1: later closer to August, you were taking at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the second round. And he struggled a bit early
Speaker 1: in Miami, gets traded a Philly midway through the year,
Speaker 1: and everyone screamed Duck Beaters and Duck Peters more the
Speaker 1: fact days like Garrett Blood's gone, Wendell Smallwood, either he's
Speaker 1: amazing or he's a roster bottle. I really don't know
Speaker 1: which one. You have players like Darren Sproul still there.
Speaker 1: Corey Clement and I get it. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: names and that's what we just described with Alex Collins too,
Speaker 1: But JGI is the one quote big back there. I
Speaker 1: think it's his contract year and they traded for him
Speaker 1: for a reason. Put people people point out that dog
Speaker 1: that Doug Peterson doesn't care about running the ball. He
Speaker 1: doesn't care about running running back in particular, it's interchangeable
Speaker 1: to him. With the Philadelphia Eagles last year had the
Speaker 1: third most rushing yards and olive football. They do rush
Speaker 1: the football, and I think this year they have a
Speaker 1: primary ball carrier, and I think it's j j I.
Speaker 1: I know we can talk all we want about the
Speaker 1: bone on n bone on bon bone condition of his knee.
Speaker 1: It's held up in the NFL now the one negative stack,
Speaker 1: one negative stat Rather, if you look at the Eagles
Speaker 1: offense um in the rushing attack in particular, they only
Speaker 1: had nine touchdowns last year. The t two teams ahead
Speaker 1: of them that I wore rushing yards, the Jags and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, well at eighteen. The two teams below them,
Speaker 1: the Panthers and the Saints, had fifteen and twenty three.
Speaker 1: That's an anomaly in me, a thing that number goes up.
Speaker 1: We said Carson Wentz, he's gonna have that many touchdowns passing,
Speaker 1: but a regression is gonna come. I think positive regression
Speaker 1: comes for the Philadelphia Eagles rushing attack. I think j
Speaker 1: j I gets more touchdowns. I think he's very possibly.
Speaker 1: There AREV one and I think what's all sudden down
Speaker 1: will be a solid RV two. I like JGI. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to hope that he gets more
Speaker 1: touchdowns this year, Greg, because he only had two total
Speaker 1: touchdounds last night. So positive TOUCHDOWND regression is obviously coming
Speaker 1: for JGI. The truth of the matter is there hasn't
Speaker 1: been a really lead or workhorse running back under Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson with the Philadelphia Eagles UM. In tween, Ryan Matthews
Speaker 1: led this team with a hundred and fifty five carries.
Speaker 1: Last year, Legarrett Blunt led this team with a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy three carries. Now you can argue that JGI
Speaker 1: is the most talented of that bunch. I don't think
Speaker 1: we can really dispute that. But just going on the
Speaker 1: history that we have with Doug Peterson, uh, it's been
Speaker 1: a very frustrating situation for fantasy and for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Once j J I was traded to the Eagles last year,
Speaker 1: he had just two carries inside the ten yard line
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, Horey Clement had four.
Speaker 1: That's very telling to me. Like Corey and we know
Speaker 1: that about Doug Peter and is that once you get
Speaker 1: down near the red zone the goal line, like he
Speaker 1: changes running backs up, he puts in new rotations. I
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago we have that ringame
Speaker 1: Ken John Barnard touchdown come in. Corey Clement has popped
Speaker 1: in here and there. And don't forget, Darren Sprowls is back,
Speaker 1: and this team loves Darren Sprowls. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that he'll have a much bigger role than maybe like
Speaker 1: a third down just pass catching running back role. But
Speaker 1: I don't think Corey Clement is just nothing. And I
Speaker 1: think Corey Clement will have a role for at least,
Speaker 1: you know, eight to ten touches per game, and then
Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth after you know, he'll have his
Speaker 1: ten touches, Darren Sparrowls will have his whatever it is,
Speaker 1: maybe six to eight. The rest is gonna be j G.
Speaker 1: The question is what's left there, Greg, Like, what do
Speaker 1: you actually what do you predict? Fourteen to six team
Speaker 1: touches game? It's gonna be inconsistent. Maybe he's a best
Speaker 1: ball running back. I think there are weeks where you
Speaker 1: know he'll be over twenty touches. There might be some
Speaker 1: games where he's under ten touches. I just don't really
Speaker 1: want that as my RB two. Gregg, where are you who?
Speaker 1: Where is he ranked in your rankings? With all that
Speaker 1: being said, you have RB twenty, have RB twenty one, Like,
Speaker 1: who's who's running back to? None of these guys are
Speaker 1: like you don't feel good about any of these guys?
Speaker 1: Who's twenty? Jerk and Kinnon? I don't like those guys?
Speaker 1: And then like Lamar Miller's twenty two and I don't
Speaker 1: like him. I actually do like Marshawn Lynch, So I
Speaker 1: am Marshall Lyne. Yeah, you know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: move him up because I clearly like him. Right, And
Speaker 1: then the other name I have him in the mix
Speaker 1: here with Marshawn Lynch and j J I in the
Speaker 1: same range, it is Kenyan Drake And I think that's
Speaker 1: a really tough one. Also because you read all these
Speaker 1: positive reports about Frank Gore and it's annoying. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that Frank Gore is glued to the bench
Speaker 1: like people think like one A and and one B. Right,
Speaker 1: because Adam Gage in an asshole. That was the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and that's still the thing. What do we do? Where
Speaker 1: do you draft Kenyan Drake? I would take him in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I would take him ahead of j J. I.
Speaker 1: I think again there could be some inconsistencies here for
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake. But one of the first shows that we
Speaker 1: did when we started talking about fantasy football this year,
Speaker 1: Greg is guys that you want to be exposed too.
Speaker 1: And one of the reason why I said Kenyan Drake
Speaker 1: is you just look at the metrics that he that
Speaker 1: he had last year. They just proved that he was
Speaker 1: a great running back. Four point three guards after contact
Speaker 1: per attempt, He was a workhorse after Week thirteen, helped
Speaker 1: a lot of teams win fantasy championships. The biggest problem
Speaker 1: is that he's on the Miami Dolphins with Adam Gates,
Speaker 1: who I don't think he knows what he's doing. Great
Speaker 1: show today, we have a lot more to cover tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It'll be fun. We appreciate you watch. I want to
Speaker 1: thank Dry for joining us. For Frankie stand for, my
Speaker 1: name was Grex Sausman. Thank you so much for watching
Speaker 1: the VFS. We'll do it again tomorrow, we hope,