1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. My guest this week is Laura Wasser, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: who is Hollywood's top divorce attorney. It has been reported 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: recently in the press that she was hired as representation 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: for Kim Kardashian and her divorce from Kanye West, although 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: at the time of this podcast that was not confirmed 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: nor discussed. She has also represented celebrities like Ryan Reynolds 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: on a Ferris, Maria Shriver, and Stevie Wonder So why 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: do all of these celebrities flocked to Laura? She has 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: notably great at her job, but after speaking to her, 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: what struck me is that I truly do believe she 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: wants to help people make such a difficult process as 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: easy as possible. She is both the velvet and the 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: edge of divorce, seeing equally how hard divorce is on 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: people and families, while also during her best work to 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: make the process as easy as possible. Laura maintains that 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: divorce is the great equalizer and that it terrifies everyone, 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: and in today's conversation she told me why. We also 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: talked through the advice you would give to any divorcing 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: couple on ways to keep divorce from completely destroying your 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: family and bankrupting yourself. Obviously, the topic of divorce is 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: never anything people want to talk about, but unfortunately, with 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic and quarantine, the numbers for divorce rates are 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: reaching in all time high. I'm grateful to Laura for 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: giving insight on productive ways both emotionally and financially to 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: handle divorce if you ever do find yourself a friend 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: or a family member in this tough situation. Here's our conversation. Well, 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I was just saying to you how painful that was 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: for me to lose the last podcast we did. Uh 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Mercury retrograde. Man, it is no good on any level. 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: We experienced it too. Please do not did you feel it? Okay, 32 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: it's an easy conversation. As many time as you need. Yes, 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: we we did have such a good conversation, and so 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to give my listeners this 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: content because I just find it so interesting. I was 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: actually having a conversation with a relationship expert yesterday and 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: she was saying that she keeps reading about or experiencing 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: that the divorce rate is going through the roof from 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: this pandemic. Have you noticed a big change or a 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: big shift in that for you guys, Uh, not as 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: much as I do. Keep reading about as well, and 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: really firm generally has kind of constant cases. I have 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: seen a little bit of an uptick on the online 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: we have it's over easy online divorce, and there has 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: been more. But I definitely think although people might be 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: deciding to get divorced, they may not quite be filing 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: yet because they want to see how long this is 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: going to go and if they're going to actually be 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: able to change their living arrangements before they failing and 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: writing right, Yeah, that sounds kind of miserable. It's to 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: file for divorce and then gets stuck in the same house. Yeah, 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: So what is Is it just that the pandemic is 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: bringing out maybe some underlying issues that were already there. 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: It's just amplifying everything, I think. So I think it's 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: bringing out issues. I think it's also bringing out issues 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: that may not have been there if we hadn't all 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: been locked down. I think it's really uncertainty. Yeah, I 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: think the uncertainty. I think that kind of the low 59 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: grade constant depression. I think economically, people are losing their jobs, 60 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: losing work. If you're at home with kids that are 61 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: doing remote schooling, you're not having as much alone time, 62 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: you're not having travel time. Now you can't go out 63 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: to a restaurant or a club. I mean, it's it's rough. 64 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: It's definitely rough. I mean, I know I'm feeling it, 65 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: and it definitely can affect your relationship in both good 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: ways and bad ways, I think. But it's not that 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: surprising to me when we're all stuck under the same 68 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: roof that maybe the divorce rate would go up a 69 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: little bit. Yes, so you say that divorce is the 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: great equalizer. It's terrifies everyone. So what are we so 71 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: terrified up with divorce? I think it's the unknown. I 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: think it's the feeling of failure. I failed. I had 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: this beautiful wedding, this beautiful romantic relationship, and now it's over, 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: and we're going to uproot our family and gonna have 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: to get back out there and date again, and my 76 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: kids are going to have to go between two homes 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and all of that, and again, I would love to 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it not so terrible, 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: not so taboo. I mean, it is why I wrote 80 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: the book and why I started it's over easy, because 81 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I do think that in this day and age, if 82 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: you look at the statistics, if half of the people 83 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: that are getting married are later divorcing, doesn't that lead 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: one to believe that that might be more normal and 85 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: we shouldn't look at it is such a failure. But 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: as the next chapter moving on, and how do I 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: transition from being in a married relationship to being in 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: a co parenting or partnership relationship with my you know, 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: co parent and and being healthy and still having a 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: family without necessarily all living under the same root, right, 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: It's like, maybe it's just a different way to look 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: at what a family looks like these days. Yeah, I mean, 93 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm just not positive that human beings were meant to 94 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: mate for life. Now. I know people that do, and 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: they meet and they fall in love and they're blissfully 96 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: happy and God bless them. But you have to admit, Kelly, 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: that's not really the norm. And so if we are 98 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: going to meet, fall in love, moving, get married, have children, 99 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily in that order. When those relationships change 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: in a way that's no longer healthy or evolving or beneficial, 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: can we do something that continues to make ourselves and 102 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: our family members are children, happy and well equipped to 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: deal with social situations without necessarily staying in a miserable marriage, 104 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: right burning the house down literally and figuratively, and in 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: an ugly divorce. Yeah, And I love that mentality of um, 106 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: if it's not serving your higher purpose, maybe, you know, like, 107 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: if if it's not evolving and you're evolving and the 108 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: relationship is not able to do that together, maybe looking 109 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: at it from a different perspective is not a failure, 110 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: but just as a time to maybe move on. And 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: I think, because I do think a thing I've noticed 112 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot with my friends who get a divorce is 113 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: that's a huge piece of it is just the failure, 114 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: the the embarrassment, maybe the public embarrassment, or just that 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: you committed to something and then you can't follow through 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: with that, right. Yeah. And so rather than committing to 117 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: staying married for the rest of your lives, even if 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: you're miserable, how about just committing to treating each other 119 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: with respect and also evolving together, even when you get 120 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: to a point where you think it may not be 121 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: serving both of you to be living under the same roof, 122 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: right exactly, So, is divorced ever easy? Like, have you 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: experienced any situation where two people are able to walk 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: in and it's just quote unquote easy. Well, I mean, look, 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: it's the hard part. Even if we are accepting that 126 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: it's not a failure and we're kind of looking at 127 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: this from a very you know, um enlightened way, still 128 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: sad and it's still difficult, and it's still involves some heartbreak. 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: But the reason that we created it's over easy so 130 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: that the legal part, the financial part, the planning and 131 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: administrative part could be easier. Because when you're dealing with 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: heartbreak and when you're dealing with life change, having legalities 133 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: and finances and things that we don't always necessarily understand 134 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: thrown at us at the same time can be really daunting. 135 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: So what we wanted to do was create a platform 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: that made it easier for people to go through it 137 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: um and then deal with kind of that heartbreak and 138 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: that next chapter in that transition with their family. They're 139 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: they're they're they're extended you know, parents or or brothers 140 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and sisters, their therapists, mental health professionals, good friends, their 141 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: support system. Because that's mostly either way less expensive or free. Right, right, 142 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: So what do you what's the biggest thing that you know. 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: I've had friends, I guess get stuck in divorce processes 144 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: that have lasted two to three years and it's just 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: so draining, so overwhelming. Like you said, what is the 146 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: biggest thing that you see get stuck on that would 147 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: would make the divorce process last a really long time? 148 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: People get like kind of entrenched in their positions, and 149 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: I think they can't they can't let it go. So 150 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: if it's a custody issue, I've seen people, you know, 151 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: go head to head over you know who has Wednesday 152 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: nights custody. In most states, it's always modifiable. So give 153 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: it a try with him having Wednesday nights, and if 154 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out or after a certain period of time, 155 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: and then say, okay, let's try me having Wednesday nights. 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: It's that kind of stuff, not being open to the 157 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: idea of kind of compromise that I think holds people up. Obviously, 158 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: money is a big one. You know, it's terrifying, particularly 159 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: if you're not the breadwinner, to wonder what you're going 160 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: to be receiving each month and child and spousal support, maintenance, alimony, 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: call it what you want, but not knowing if your 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: lifestyle is going to change. Are you gonna have to 163 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: move into a smaller house or apartment? Are you still 164 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: going to have car insurance? Health insurance? That can be 165 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: very scary, And so people really argue about that. By 166 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: the same token, the person writing the check every month 167 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: is like, why am I writing a check? Person who 168 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I no longer sleep next to anymore, who I don't 169 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with, who may have 170 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: wronged me in some way. And I'm working really hard 171 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: to earn money and I need to start my new life, 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: and that that can really make for some resentment as well. 173 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: So it's usually money or kids. I mean, those are 174 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: the two big issues in divorce. Yeah, I mean that's 175 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: what I've seen too. Also, I think it's interesting you 176 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: brought up just the daunting nature of this whole process 177 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: and how overwhelming it can be. And I was just 178 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: thinking through maybe the part that comes after, you know, 179 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: you think that maybe the day you announced, are you 180 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: finish your finalize your divorce and everything's over, it would 181 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: seem freeing. And I've heard people say that it's just 182 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: sort of like man like, It's just it doesn't really 183 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: feel it doesn't feel like a celebration. Necessarily it feels 184 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: a little relieving that it's over, but then you have 185 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: a whole rebuilding process, right absolutely, And that's why we 186 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: created our next Chapter series because I think people don't 187 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: really realize how much goes into kind of starting a 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: new whether it's having to find a really good moving company, 189 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: getting you know, health health insurance if it's not unavailable 190 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: to your spouse anymore. Dating, maybe changing up your wardrobe, 191 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: maybe changing up your look, you know, figuring out what 192 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: to do with your engagement ring because are you just 193 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: keeping it or are you maybe going to sell it 194 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: and use the money to do something else. All of 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: these things, figuring out to deal with your kids, you know, 196 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: like I said, living in two different homes, going back 197 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and forth. It is a whole new thing. And again 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: it's not a celebration, but it definitely can be liberating 199 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: and it gives you kind of a second chance to 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: present yourself not only to the world, but to yourself. 201 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Right and you mentioned how you know people have these 202 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: teams of I don't want to call them helpers, but 203 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: like a support system. You know, you have your friends, 204 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: you have your therapist, you have all this. Do you 205 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: as a lawyer, feel like these are the reasons you 206 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: wanted to create something for the you know, it's over 207 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: easy and then the next chapter. Because do you kind 208 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: of get sucked into a different kind of lawyering when 209 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: it's something so sensitive or something more so fragile in 210 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: people's lives like divorce. Yeah, I mean people do really 211 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: rely on their attorneys because we're the ones that know 212 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: the law. We're applying a lot to their situation, We're 213 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: advocating for them. We were wise because we do this 214 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: all the time. And I do think that family law 215 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: attorneys can often, either on purpose or not, kind of 216 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: get sucked into a different role for which frankly, we're 217 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: not equipped. We're not mental health professionals. Most of us. 218 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: We charge most of us more than a therapist or 219 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: a psychologist does, and and and we certainly charge more 220 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: than a friend. So I feel like sometimes it's better 221 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: to be able to say, hey, there, you either have 222 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: a built in support system with your family and pre 223 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: existing friends, or go find one. Find a group of 224 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: people who have just gone through divorce. Moms who have 225 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: gone through a divorce, you know, dads who have gone 226 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: through a divorce, people in their fifties who have gone 227 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: through a divorce, People that are getting divorced during their 228 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: starter marriages, maybe in their twenties or third and they 229 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: were married a short period of time. There are groups, 230 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: there are people to talk to, and they will not 231 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: charge you as much money as a divorce attorney. Will. 232 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: Keep that in mind. Yes, I love that you're a 233 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: divorce attorneys saying that telling the people the truth. Yeah, well, 234 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: so talk through a little bit about what it's over 235 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: easy does and why you wanted to create this platform. So, 236 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I started practicing family law when I was 237 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: pretty young, and I had actually just gotten married myself, 238 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: and it was what I was just referring to a 239 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: starter marriage. We were married, I was twenty five, and 240 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: we were married for about fourteen months and kind of 241 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: realized like, oh, maybe this wasn't the best decision to 242 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: cast our a lot with each other for the rest 243 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: of our lives. So we had not hid debt, and 244 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: we kind of did a very simple divorce because we 245 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: didn't have any money. We basically were dividing our debt 246 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: and I was able to kind of process it myself. 247 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: It was actually, I think probably one of the first 248 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: divorces that I ever did, and I realized that even 249 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: if you have a law degree and English is your 250 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: first language, it's a little complicated. The forms are difficult. Again, 251 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: you're going through a hard time, so you're a little 252 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: confused anyway, And so that always stuck with me. And 253 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: then because I was a young attorney, I was usually 254 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: representing people that were older than me. But in two 255 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen, because I had had so many friends 256 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: that were starting to go through it, I actually wrote 257 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: a book called it Doesn't Have to Be that Way 258 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: because I wanted to get the message out to people, like, 259 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: it's not as complicated as you think. We're not performing 260 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: like you know, brain surgery here in these law offices. 261 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: And after the book, the next step really seemed to 262 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: be taking it to tech, taking it online and having 263 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: a full service platform where people could come on. They 264 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: could learn about the law in their state, they could 265 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: read content and join groups and have blogs of other 266 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: people going through it. They could actually mediate with their 267 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: spouse online and come up with a custody plan, a 268 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: support plan, a division of assets and debts, all online, 269 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: admitted through through the platform, and get divorced. And then 270 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: we have something called the index, which actually lets you 271 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: go on and find professionals or providers to help you 272 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: with you know, budgeting afterwards, or like I said, the 273 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: health insurance or babysitting or getting back in the dating 274 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: game or getting your teeth whitened or whatever you need 275 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: to do to kind of start over. And I just 276 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: thought this could be kind of a one stop shop 277 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: for people going through this, bringing them together as a 278 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: community and figuring out, you know, how they are going 279 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: to begin their next chapters. I thought it was important, 280 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: and I feel like it is, you know, helping people 281 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: that would otherwise maybe not be able to afford this 282 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: at all, or not be able to afford this and 283 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: then some of the other things that they really need 284 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: to do as part of starting their new lives right. 285 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: And I think it's just like what you've said as 286 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: far as the overwhelming nature of this whole experience is. 287 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's so emotionally charged to so anything that 288 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: can simplify or be simplified is just a really great 289 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: thing to bring to the table. I agree. So you 290 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: mentioned that you were married briefly, Um, you have since 291 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: had two children, but you've never been married again. So 292 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: do you what are your thoughts. Dealing with divorce so much, 293 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: do you feel like you would ever get married again, 294 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: or have you just like been scarred for the rest 295 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: of your life. I don't know that it's a scarring. 296 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: I think I like, you know, weddings. I like marriage 297 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: for me. You know, I both of both of my kids, 298 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: both of their dads, I still have great relationships with them. 299 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: We're all really committed to raising our kids together. Um, 300 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, the laws in the Santa California don't really 301 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: lend themselves to making marriage something that I am gravitating towards. 302 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: I've been in monogamous, lovely romantic relationships. It's just not 303 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: something that I need from me at this point. But 304 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I get why people do it. And and again, I 305 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: think it's a beautiful thing that people find each other 306 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: fall in love. And if they of like getting married 307 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: is important, then one thing you learn twenty five years 308 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: plus being a family law attorney in southern California is 309 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: don't judge. Everybody has their things. Uh, let's talk a 310 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: little bit about the book that you mentioned. It doesn't 311 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: have to be that way. How to divorce without destroying 312 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: your family or bankrupting yourself? So can you give a 313 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: couple of tips for keeping a divorce as amicable as possible. 314 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: These are kind of the things you talk about in 315 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: the book. Yeah, I mean one of them is educate yourself. Okay, 316 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: you don't just blindly put your faith in some lawyer 317 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: who's charging per hour. There's so much information now available online. 318 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: Go seek it, find it, you know, if you are 319 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: going to pick a lawyer and not use like an 320 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: online service like it's overready, you know, interview a couple 321 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: of them, Find somebody that you have faith in and 322 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: that you feel comfortable speaking with. But also do your 323 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: own education and research about what the laws are in 324 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: your state and how they apply to your situation. It's 325 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: like I said, it's not terribly complicated. What's the law is? 326 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: And then the other really important thing, maybe even more 327 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: than educating yourself, is um be kind. Remember this is 328 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: someone you were married to. You you walk down the 329 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: aisle of them, you fell in love with them, you passionately, 330 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: madly made out with them and kissed them and more. 331 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: And if you had kids, you you procreated with them 332 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: and um and likely they will be in your life 333 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. So don't form bridges. 334 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: Remember they're going through a hard time to even if 335 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: they did horrible things which on you you know they 336 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: had a gambling or a drug pubm there, it's hard 337 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: for them too. This is difficult for everybody, so be 338 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: kind and you know the golden rules from kindergar and 339 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: doing to others. Really keep that in mind because unlike 340 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: any other lawsuit you may have in your life, whether 341 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: it's a landlord, tenant or a fender bender, um, this person, this, 342 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: this person, this that's on the other side of the loss, 343 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: it is someone you are going to know again, someone 344 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: you've been more intimate with than probably anybody else, and 345 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: who if you do have children with, you're going to 346 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: know for the rest of your life. Keep that in mind. 347 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: If you're going through this process and everyone processes it 348 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: so differently, have you noticed that, Like in my friends 349 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: friends who have gone through divorces, It's like sometimes I 350 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: feel like they're just processing it at different speeds maybe 351 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: or just differently. So it looks so different and it 352 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: can look like maybe it's not hitting the other person 353 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: in the same way, but it does seem to flare 354 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: up at some point in everyone. Absolutely, and again you 355 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: have to know that as you're going through it just 356 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: like just like you know, death, grieving a death, you know. 357 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes My mom died last year, and I don't really 358 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: think that I grieved her properly until almost a full 359 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: year later. In me this summer, I was here, you know, 360 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: as part of COVID, and it really really hit hard 361 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: for me. Whereas you know, I was planning her funeral 362 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: and dealing with all of that stuff last year, I 363 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: think I just went into autopilot. And I think a 364 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't understand that it's the same with 365 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: the divorce. People go through it at their own speed. 366 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: And if it's you, be really really gentle with yourself 367 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: because you're going to need that kind of understanding from yourself. 368 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: And if you're watching somebody else, a family member or 369 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: a good friend go through it, know that everybody processes 370 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: it in their own way and that's just kind of 371 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: how it works, and you have to be patient. Yeah. 372 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: I love that you say, be gentle with yourself. Are 373 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: there other tips that you would give to anyone who 374 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: might be going through the divorce process right now? Yeah, 375 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: and be sweet to yourself really if if you're if 376 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: you if there's something again, don't go crazy. But if 377 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: there's something you love. You love massages or you love 378 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: getting facials, so you love going on long hikes. Are 379 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: you want to have a surf trip? Any extra money 380 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: that you can save, not paying lawyers a bunch to argue, 381 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: put that in your like divorce, you know, gentle account 382 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: or special and then treat yourself new outfit, new bag. 383 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: You know a place that they if you're a guy, 384 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: where they may shave you and they just make you 385 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: look great. Be good to yourself and and give yourself 386 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: a break on some of the stuff. I mean there 387 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: maybe a night you get completely wasted, make sure you're safe, 388 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: make sure you have a friend. You know. The next 389 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: morning you just feel horrible, But like, guess what you 390 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: just went through? Our time? Invest maybe in some therapy 391 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: or a meditation app on your phone. Really take some 392 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: time to devote to being kind and wonderful to you 393 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: because right now you're the only one who's going to 394 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: be able to do that. And once you get that 395 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: feeling and you know how good it is, you'll know 396 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: what to look for in your next relationship because you 397 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: may not have been getting it in this one. Yes, 398 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: I think that's very true. What would you say to 399 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: give tips on like how to just get this done 400 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: easier or more quickly. What are the things that people 401 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: can really put their focus on there? Um, I would 402 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: really put like I said, put focus on. I mean, look, 403 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: a divorce is besides the custody element, you're looking at 404 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: really four corners of the estate, meaning what what the 405 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: people have. So you're looking at what you have, what 406 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: you own, um, what you owe, your debts, what you 407 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: what you earn, your income, and what you spend your expenses. 408 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: Those are the four things you want to figure out, 409 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: and a lot of times, if you're not the breadwinner, 410 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: you may not know that information. This is an amazing 411 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: opportunity for you to become the master of your own destiny. 412 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: Learn a little bit about what it is that you 413 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: spend and how you budget and what you need so 414 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: that when you start in your next chapter, you really 415 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: are much more fluent with the financial aspects of what 416 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: you're doing and what you need to make things work 417 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: and what makes you happy in terms of if you 418 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: have kids that are now in school full time, maybe 419 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: you want to go back and figure out something to 420 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: be working on for you to be a contributor or 421 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: an earner in the family. These are the kind of 422 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: things that I think when you have a goal, which 423 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: is getting out of this for the least emotional and 424 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: financial cost as possible and then moving on it is 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a huge motivator. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, so we 426 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: mentioned that you have a book, you have It's over Easy, 427 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: your website now for helping people go through divorces a 428 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: lot easier. And you also now have a podcast called 429 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: All's Fair with Laura Wasser and so I've actually been 430 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: a guest on that, which I'm not have not been 431 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: going through divorce, but um, we are I heart buddies 432 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: of course. So that was how we met. But talk 433 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about the kind of guests that you 434 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: guys are talking to you on All's Fair, and um, 435 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: some of the content that y'all are are bringing to 436 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: that podcast. So All Spars actually our second podcast. We 437 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: started with Divorce Stocks, and when we came over, they 438 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: were like, we don't like the name a little bit more, 439 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, friendly, And yeah, we called it All's Fair, 440 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: which is like all spare and love and war, and 441 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: rather than just talking about divorces and breakups, we kind 442 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: of talk about all relationships interviewed sisters. You know that 443 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: I have started a company together and fathers and sons 444 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: and and that kind of stuff. Co parents that have 445 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: been apart for years but figured out the best way 446 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: of raising children together. Really UM discussing and focusing on 447 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: human relationships because I find them fascinating. It's frankly why 448 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: I do what I do, which is, you know, helping 449 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: people kind of move through the divorce process into their 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: next chapter. And UM, I love it. I just love 451 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: sharing stories. I think people that are going through breakups, 452 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: are divorces, really are interested and are helped by hearing 453 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: other people's journeys. It's funny, it's sometimes sad. It's very 454 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: very um illuminating for people. And Johnny and I have 455 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: a really good time doing it. Yeah, I loved talking 456 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: to you guys. Actually, when you say it's illuminating for people, 457 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: your podcast was the first place that I talked about 458 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: not being involved with a divorce that I was accused 459 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: of being involved with. UM, So thank you for thank 460 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: you for freeing me up from that rumor. That was 461 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: very helpful to my life. Good. You're welcome. Well, you guys, 462 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: go check out All Spare It's on I heart, but 463 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: you can listen to it anywhere that you listen to podcasts. 464 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: UM also the book that says how to divorce without 465 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: destroy your family and bankrupting yourself. I'm gonna put into 466 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: a description. I'm sorry, I'm gonna put a link in 467 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: the description for this podcast so that you guys can 468 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: go check that out as well. Where else can people 469 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: find you Laura UM Well, it's over easy. We're on 470 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: all social channels and Laura Water Official on Instagram. I 471 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: do a lot of public speaking to young women's groups, 472 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: people going through divorces, parent groups, UM law students, stuff 473 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: like that, so check us out there too. And again, 474 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: if you know anybody that's thinking about going through a divorce, 475 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: going through a divorce just could use a little bit 476 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: of UM contact information for how to make things easier, 477 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: please visit our website. It's over easy dot com. Even 478 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: if you don't need to use the platform to go 479 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: through divorce, there's a lot of content that I think 480 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: will be helpful and it's free, so check us out. Yes, definitely, 481 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: I really really appreciate you doing this. Again, it's been 482 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: lovely to talk to you, and I know that this 483 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: has been so informative for the listeners. Hopefully people are 484 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: not going through divorces, but if you are, definitely check 485 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: out it's over easy dot com and try to make 486 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: the process a little bit easier on yourself. Laura, thank 487 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Thank you Kelly take 488 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: it easy. Thank you guys for listening.