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Speaker 1: All my life, the grinding all my life, second fights,

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Speaker 1: all my life. I've been grinding all my life, all

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Speaker 1: swapping all my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Club Shaha. I am your

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Speaker 1: whole Shan and Sharp, also the proprietor of Club sha Shade.

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Speaker 1: The guy that's stopping by for conversation and a drink

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Speaker 1: today really needs no introduction. He's hip hop royalty and

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Speaker 1: a rap legend. Golden platinum selling rapper and songwriter, record

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Speaker 1: producer and executive with almost forty years in the game,

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Speaker 1: The King of the Bay too short? What did it due?

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Speaker 1: What's up man? That's a multi platinum, multime multipe multi

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Speaker 1: Yeah cause I did it. I did it like seven

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Speaker 1: times in a row. What oh yeah, we talked to

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Speaker 1: us about it. I'm just trying to trick you got

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Speaker 1: a new you got a new single coming out called

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Speaker 1: Nasty Dance. You'll always seem to have an album coming out.

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Speaker 1: What number album is this for? You. I lost count,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's up to like twenty something like twenty one,

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Speaker 1: so somewhere up there. So you got this tell us

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Speaker 1: about the single that you got that you're about to drop. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just trying our new platforms and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I partnered up with a company called Encore, okay, and

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Speaker 1: it's just a new style of how they shoot the

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Speaker 1: don't have much to prove, right, So you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: So outside of that, I'm just freelancing a little bit,

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Speaker 1: doing stuff, right, having fun. I love RAPS, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: just doing it. You started, you got forty years in

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Speaker 1: far as we were so worried about duplicating CDs, and

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Speaker 1: and you can you can maximize just like a artist

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Speaker 1: can get one hot song right now, and you make

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Speaker 1: get and the different opportunities you can send your song,

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Speaker 1: all these different platforms paying you. So it's it's a

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Speaker 1: you have the streaming, you have the Internet, you have

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Speaker 1: social media guys, you can go directly. So do you

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Speaker 1: really need a record company? Do you really need an

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Speaker 1: you need a record company? The majors have the airwaves

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Speaker 1: on lock right. They got you know, the big numbers

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Speaker 1: on lock right. Yeah, worldwide, that international's on lock right.

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Speaker 1: But you can get in there without a major and

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Speaker 1: you could be like a young Dolf rest in peace,

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Speaker 1: major label. Yeah, I recommend that as much as possible. Right,

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Speaker 1: But if you just like you, like I want to

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Speaker 1: need that machine behind exactly. Well, you know what, let's

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Speaker 1: tost I have my own brand of Carnact. You've been

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Speaker 1: It's coniac man. This reminds me of the old in

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Speaker 1: the nineties. Tell the story we was telling off fair

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Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I used to be a

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Speaker 1: In my mind, you know what I'm so, you know,

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Speaker 1: to tell you, well, we're going to try that. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you it's called a dirty m okay and people

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Speaker 1: the dirty mfs okay. I like that. So what can

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Speaker 1: we expect from this album though, Uh, you can expect

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Speaker 1: jay Z still dropping hit. You know, rappers who are

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Speaker 1: If I had told you in your twenties and your

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Speaker 1: Is that why you do it? Because you still love it.

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Speaker 1: sloop you? I mean you can't. But agism is a

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Speaker 1: features you have on this album. Features I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: I really don't like value that that much. So if

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Speaker 1: But I definitely have some features. I always go out

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Speaker 1: I don't know the artist, but I'm gonna do the

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Speaker 1: It's cool. Respect. And then it started getting more and

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Speaker 1: collab with somebody from something. We don't do that like

423
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: Yo crew, Yo crew, love your public enemy, love your beats, everything,

424
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: but I don't want to use your producers, you know

425
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was just it was just like that. So,

426
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: uh fast forward a little bit. We had a big

427
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: event that we used to do they still do in

428
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 1: the bass called up Summer Jams. Right. It was you

429
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: know that where the radio station bring the fifty artists album.

430
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: Let everybody gets ten fifteen minutes and you know, the

431
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: thirty forty thousand people in the crowd and it's just

432
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: a big day. So I had done that a couple

433
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: of times and this particular year it was forties turn

434
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: to be the headline. He's hide, He's about to you know,

435
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 1: big show. And I wasn't on the show that year.

436
00:22:54,080 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: Some stuff that happened where I moved to Atlanta and

437
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: a young group called the Loonies. I got five on

438
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: it and had mentioned my name and a record and

439
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: they mentioned this one line is said it was trying

440
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: to say insinuate that they were a part of some

441
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: situation that that came my way and they made me

442
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: move to Atlanta, which is far from the truth, right,

443
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: far from the truth, right. And I was totally offended

444
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: that this record. The line was that's why the town

445
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: got rid of Short and they was talking about some

446
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: some gangs, gangs of shit or whatever, that's why the

447
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: town got rid of Short. And I'm like, what, like,

448
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: were them guys in the streets? Me and my rhythm guys? Right,

449
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: And you can't get away with saying that. You can't

450
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: say that. And okay, so I was being diplomatic because

451
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: the Loonies are literally connected, right, I could tell you

452
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: many layers of the story, Like the way they get

453
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: in the game is through people that I influenced. My guys,

454
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: all this stuff. We family, right, But I don't go

455
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: to route them and let's just go get these dudes.

456
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not even thinking like that. I'm like, we

457
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna do this the right way. Summer jam is coming up.

458
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: That's the show where everybody the bad is gonna be

459
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: in the crowd. The Loonies is on the show e

460
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: forty on the show. Ever, we're gonna step up in

461
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: front of the crowd, me and the Loonies and just

462
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: say to the crowd, ain't no beef between us. You

463
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: ain't gonna explain this song. Ain't got Just step up there.

464
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: If you say that in front of them, I'm too

465
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: who So I come to the show. They tell me,

466
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, we can only give you four passes short,

467
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: but they gave me them a sticker sticker passes. I'm like,

468
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: I tell my guys we're good to go. I got

469
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: four stickers. So we go to the show. Four guys

470
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: go in. I send one guy out with four passes,

471
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: four more guys come in. One guy goes out with

472
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: four passes, four more guys come in. We do that

473
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: shit all day. Right, So the Loonies are on stage,

474
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: and I'm telling the k and El radio station people,

475
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: let's do this thing I got in mind. Let's do

476
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: it right. I'll hold up right here, let's go get

477
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: this is a person. Now the Loonies are stage. They

478
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: all missed the opportunity. So now we got all this

479
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: friction backstage. Uh long story shorts that not the loonies,

480
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: but their manager got roughed up a little bit. We

481
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: went out in the crowd watched the show. He was

482
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: a little upset, and I guess the presence of us

483
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: and the over exaggeration of what how we showed up

484
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: and what we did prompted them to end the show

485
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: before E forty could perform. Then they went to the

486
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: scandal of of Monday morning. Right, they get on the

487
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: radio and have a comedian somebody funny fake my voice

488
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: and pretend like I called the radio station and I

489
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: and the dude was like, it's just too short, man,

490
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't care if your name was

491
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: E one hunted, you ain't getting no state if I'm like,

492
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm run this thing. And E forty called me.

493
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: He was he had that that that sort of anger

494
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: that was not like an angry voice. But Judy, He's like, hey, man,

495
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: was you on the radio this morning? And I'm like nah,

496
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: He's like so you wasn't you sure? He wouldn't you

497
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: didn't call it there? I'm like, what didn't mean? He's

498
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: like all right, hang a phone. And then however, circle

499
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: back and start coming out about the call and this

500
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: and that, and then E forty is a kind of guy.

501
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: He said, I talked to you and you said to

502
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: me man, and man, wasn't you. Didn't investigation wasn't me.

503
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: It was somebody funny and long story short, the radio

504
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: station was trying to make us enemies. They figured these

505
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: big dudes a little too short lao E forty and

506
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: them to click, you know, they gonna beat too short

507
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: up and too. You know. The pro the program director

508
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: was trying to check, was sending around fax machines, fax

509
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: faxes and emails like band too short. It was. It

510
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: was terrible. So E forty, who I give all the

511
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: credit too, was like, man, you know, we gotta turn

512
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: this negative into a positive. He really wanted to do

513
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: that show, right. They really tried to tell him it

514
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: was all my phone, and you know, they we need

515
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: to be enemies, but we had already had a friendship, right,

516
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: So we took all that and we made this song

517
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: called rappers Ball, which went platinum. It was our first

518
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: record we did together. We probably done dozens of songs together.

519
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: We did dozens of songs since then, and it was

520
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: almost like he could have took that bait and just

521
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: been like he if he would have said, yeah, okay, pun,

522
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: would I see you, then it would have just been

523
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: no turning back and just but he's he's he's a

524
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: he's a smart guy. Yes, and that was a great

525
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: decision because I probably shot on the other foot. I

526
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: don't know what my reaction would have been or yours.

527
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: It was a big day for him. He had spent

528
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money out of his pocket to put

529
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: this big show on and they shut it down and said, well,

530
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: blame too short. And it was just you know, I

531
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: always look back at that and I'm like a radio

532
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: station tried to end my career, tried to pit me

533
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: against my number one ally and all that backfire because

534
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: we like we our music is from us to the streets, right,

535
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: and you're gonna put a commercial middleman in there, Like

536
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm ana alter this and I can I can end

537
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: your career with a fact machine. No you can't. So

538
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: now that you mentioned that this transition, is that what's

539
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: happening Because we see a lot of beasts and maybe

540
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: the beef is manufactured, maybe it's real because a lot

541
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: of these. You know, you rap about the proximity of

542
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: where you grew up, You talk about what you see,

543
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: what you've experienced, and because you've experienced doesn't make his

544
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: experience any less or her experience any less. Is that

545
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: what we're getting at? Because, like you said, or he

546
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: could have been a totally different way, but he called

547
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: you and stuff like a man, He's like, Okay, I'm

548
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: gonna do my due diligence. Too short said it wasn't him.

549
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my due diligence. Get to the bottom

550
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: of it, as opposed is just capping off and then

551
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: ain't no turning back from that. Yeah, a lot of

552
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: situations that we see happening now, where we got injuries,

553
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: loss of life could have been handled by a phone

554
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: call from man, from one man to another man, and

555
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: just what was it? Because clickbait is playing a part.

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: UH rappers are using the clickbait to get popular. It's

557
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: the most It's one of the easiest ways to get

558
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: free publicity, right is to pick a guy you got

559
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: to play the same position as you and you got

560
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: You didn't we didn't have social media to cause so, uh,

561
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: the week before the game, you just start hitting me.

562
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: It's sorry week getting with the personal your ex girlfriend.

563
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that he's hot when he see you, right, but

564
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: this is a different kind of hot. They sitting there saying,

565
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: you know street stuff, right, and then you got this

566
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: whole ego thing. You gotta live up to it, right,

567
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: And it's it's so bad man. Where you know social

568
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: media and playing with these streets and this music. You

569
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: you get like you got albums out in videos and

570
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: your face is popular. But you're gonna send out a

571
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: message on social media saying I'm on such and such street.

572
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: If you and your whole crew and they pull up

573
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: in five minutes and shoot you, you just told him

574
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: for you. It was at like, it's really it's really

575
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: crazy than me because I know what my guys did

576
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: when I was coming up. I didn't do what they did, right,

577
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: They protected me from that. Right when they did what

578
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: they did, they said, then you probably want to go

579
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: because something about to happen. And they would even tell

580
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: somebody may get short up out of here and things

581
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: would happen. They would not say, come with us, we're

582
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: about to go do this, right, or come staying on

583
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: the corner while we do this. They wouldn't say that.

584
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: They would literally say stay away from what we do

585
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: because we need you to be you. We can't get

586
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: in places that you get into if we don't have

587
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: you right who you were at God for that, We

588
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: got a God for this other stuff. And I think

589
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: that if a rapper is promoting beef in these days

590
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: with the social media, you got a crew of thirty

591
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: forty people, it's only one popular face in your crew,

592
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: right as you. So your guys do this and y'alla

593
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: insited some stuff and then you provoking it with your song.

594
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: When they see y'all around the town, they only know

595
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: what a face you. And that's why I think personally

596
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I think we're losing a lot of rappers is because

597
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, chop it off at the head man. That's

598
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: the bread and butter. When you when you gun down

599
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: the rapper, you just gunned down five other employees income, right,

600
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: You just gunned down school kids clothes. You know what

601
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Christmas a birthday, dope birthday that was gonna happen,

602
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: you gunned down it. And same thing with jail when

603
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: the rapper do so much dirt with his homies and

604
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: he ended up catching the case and going to jail.

605
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: You locked up the income. You feel me. So I

606
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: think that we're not looking at the big picture. When

607
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: I say we, I'm talking about us in the hip

608
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: hop industry of the trinkle down, the economic trinkle down

609
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: of rappers murdered and going to jail like you. Like, man,

610
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: you got a rapper that's making fifty grand, am a weekend,

611
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: not a month, right, a weekend? Every weekend. You go

612
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: out to make fifty grand. That money go to the

613
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: crew we shared. We you know, you're my role manager.

614
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You're my hype man, You're

615
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: my DJ. We were from nothing, right, and all that

616
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: stops while you go do six months a year, three

617
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: years untail. All that stops. So I'm like, we ain't

618
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: thinking about the big picture. You lead the bay and

619
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: you go to the A. I don't know if a

620
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of people knew this that Atlanta has been your

621
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: home for two decades. Yeah, I mean I would I

622
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: stayed in Atlanta fifteen years. Okay, I'm back on the

623
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: West Nat. I can't so in the nineties, mid nineties,

624
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm from ninety three to two thousand and eight, Okay, Yeah,

625
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: you know your boy was there. That's the boy was there.

626
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. So you know all about one twelve.

627
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: You know about diamonds and Pearls. I know the Gold Club.

628
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: I know everything. Okay, I know it was diamonds and pearls.

629
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: And one twelve was at the other location. Yeah, and

630
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: then one twelve one, Yeah, this is gonna Kroger. Yeah,

631
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm well, David Justicson, not David just with

632
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the uh, Andre Rosen and left. I was in there

633
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: wailing out in the grocery store Atlanta Live. Yeah, go

634
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: down the stairs. Uh. And then one twelve moved to

635
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: the old Diamonds in prol location, Chu Ridge, Thank you.

636
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: So I know all that, man, I know a lot.

637
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: I know the you know the original Magic City. I

638
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: really be bad for. I'm the guy in Blue Flag.

639
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: It's broke us. Oh you name all of them spots.

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm the guy when the club closed. I'm in there

641
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: hanging out. I'm he put the tables the chairs on

642
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: the table, right, I'm in there. I'm in the Uh.

643
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm down there with the house mom. Right while all

644
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: the girls is changing in their regular clothes. They don't

645
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: let nobody down there I'm not in that kigging in.

646
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: I got some wings. You've been to the Clairemont, who

647
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: haven't you everywhere eat breakfast? See people don't know about it.

648
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I'll leave it. You leave it because you know what

649
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: goes on to the claire Box. Come on, I know everything.

650
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: But y'all, I can tell you a lot about that

651
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: that atl When I got to hl it was ninety three.

652
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I went to the freak Nick April ninety three. I

653
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: heard about the freak Nick. That Fricknick happened in ninety one.

654
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: It was a pig nick. It happened in ninety two.

655
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: Pe My Park sold the whole park out and they

656
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: was like, man, this freak Nick. I heard about it.

657
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: So me and a whole bunch of people heard about

658
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: it and we freak Nick probably went from twenty thousand

659
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: people to four hundred thousand in a year. Yeah, I

660
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: was there. I moved to Atlanta because of freak Nick.

661
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: That's my story. At the time, I was living in Savannah.

662
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: I had went back to so I had went back

663
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: finished in my school by schooling. But I was living

664
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: in Savannah in the off season, and I called my

665
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: brother Na. I kept hearing people talking about it. I said, well,

666
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the Freak I go to Freak Nick.

667
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: I called my brother Abro. They got this thing called

668
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: freak Nick going off in Atlanta. He like win in it.

669
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: I said, such a sucking You're like, okay, I'll meet

670
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: you there. Freak Nick ninety three was life changing the wounds.

671
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: It was a month. It was life change. We we

672
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: got wind of it right. We about probably like fifteen

673
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: dudes from Oakland, like some baller little baller crew. Yeah,

674
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: you went out there. We we checked into a little hotel.

675
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: It was like a bunch of Detroit dudes, Miami some

676
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: some uh some Cleveland dudes and we kind of all

677
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: clicked up and our hotel was like a like a

678
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: crew and Freak Nick ninety three. I went for the

679
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: weekend that mind you. I'm born April twenty eight. Freak

680
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Nigga is my birthday. Oh that's the weekend my birthdays.

681
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: It's freak Nick. I check in the hotel three nights.

682
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: I check out probably like three weeks later. And one

683
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: of my homies from Oakland had moved to Atlanta, and

684
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: he was like, man, what't you buy? What you gonna do?

685
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: What you like, what you're doing in life. I'm like,

686
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm about to get me a little crib in the town.

687
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Probably probably spent about a half meal up on the hill,

688
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: little on the little private roads or something. He was like,

689
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna spend five hundred thousand in Oakland. He'd let

690
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: me show you what you're getting in Atlantic for five hundred.

691
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: We rode around looking at houses. He's showing me these

692
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: big hole I was just for like three fifty. I'm like, what,

693
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: so it was? It was planted. Yes, I went home.

694
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I get home. Ain't nothing but drive bys and shootings

695
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: and violence. And I mean seriously, man, At the time,

696
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: friends of mine had split up into a street war.

697
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: So friends went a small town Oakland's four hundred thousand populations.

698
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: We got a small crew of homies that are now enemies.

699
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: And it's really hard in that situation to determine what's

700
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: coming your way, right because who's who's who picked up side.

701
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who's friends who's mad at me

702
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: because I hang out with them Like it's it was

703
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: really weird. And I'm going to Atlanta taking a little

704
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: trips and I just was like, man, I'm about to

705
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: buy me a house out here. I went to the

706
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: Jack the Rapper, which is in August, four or five

707
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: months after Freak Nick. I didn't tell nobody nothing. We

708
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: had Jack the Rapper. It's tupodts snooped, it's people everywhere,

709
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not Freak Nig, but it's still it's

710
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: still an eight. Yeah. Oh absolutely, I just got I

711
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: had a little rented car. I just drove over to

712
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Southwest Atlanta by myself and bought a house and then

713
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: went back to the convention like I didn't even do it.

714
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: And by the end of the year the house was ready.

715
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I moved out. The rest is history, you know, as

716
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: I happened. Atlanta was a hit town too. It wasn't

717
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: it was nothing like it was cause I got there.

718
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: I went to Freak Nig like you. I went to

719
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the Freak Nigg the first time at ninety two, went

720
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: back in ninety three. I called my agent that was

721
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: our Friday, Saturday, Sunday start breaking down waiting out Sunday.

722
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I called my agent Monday I moved to Atlanta. He's like, okay,

723
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: we got this kind of you got this k this

724
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: much money to get a house. I said, I don't

725
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: care what nobody in Atlanta at that time. It was

726
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown. It was I'm trying to think who was

727
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: there and that was that was like really like kicking

728
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: up some dust. I remember my boy Eric Sermon got

729
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: there kind of early. Yeah, well, I mean you had

730
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: like I think La, I think baby Face. I'm saying

731
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: that that was the gang. Yeah, but but no, but

732
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: like you said, Bobby Brown was really the only like

733
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: celebrity lay up that was there. Because I got there

734
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: and I watched a little bit, and I've seen Bobby

735
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: Brown having so much fun. I was like, I'm about

736
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: to do what he's doing because he's having too much fun.

737
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: And that's when the clubs stayed over long. I probably

738
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: stayed over feel seven o'clock in the moment, Yeah, yeah,

739
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: I probably. I probably. I got there and at the

740
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: end of ninety three, and at that point in time,

741
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: I had a platinum Albam at eighty nine, ninety ninety

742
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: ninety two, ninety three, I had four platinum albums when

743
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: I got there, right, I show up, I got my

744
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: little car, I got like twenty inch rims. They're like,

745
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: what are those flying saucers? What is that you know.

746
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like Michael Jackson, that's when you when somebody

747
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: got maybe from California, you know, Michael Jackson. Of course

748
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: I know, Mike when you talk about it, like, man,

749
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I used to be a magic city. I I never

750
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: really tell a story. I used to be a maggic

751
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: city and I had I had an endless supply of

752
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: the really good California weed. And literally, people like you

753
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: you want to tell some chick Uh, yeah, girl, I'm

754
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: trying to kick with you what I gotta do. I

755
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: was open that bag, like what is that? Like, that's dad,

756
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: Cali baby? Like I was having so much fun in

757
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: ninety three. But Atlanta, uh, the Atlanta that we know now,

758
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: I was. I'm proud that I was there to see it.

759
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Born Young, Dallas Austin, Young, Jermaine Dupree, Young, lit Face Records,

760
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: Outcast came out of all that. Yeah got the Tis

761
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: now you got. The Olympics came and then they started

762
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: building up Atlanta with the Olympic money. And when the

763
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: Olympics left, Atlanta was a nice city. Yes, it was nice.

764
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: And from that point on the music industry was establishing

765
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: itself and it turned into a whole new Atlanta to

766
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Atlanta it is now. I just it doesn't make you

767
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: proud when you go out there and you see the

768
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and you see the dream, you see the firing

769
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: people try trying to make it, yes, trying to make it.

770
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: Like everybody ain't making it, but they be trying to

771
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: make it. That's like that to me. It's so important

772
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: that you try, because people have dreams and they sit

773
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: around and they think of stuff, but they don't try it.

774
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: You said something very interesting early. You said that you

775
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: left the bay because there are some things going on.

776
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel that rappers have to leave their hometown,

777
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: have to leave where they grew up from in order

778
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: to get away because everybody is not happy. Too short

779
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: is what he became. They like too short. When too

780
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: short was the same level we drank it were hanging out.

781
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: He ain't got no more than I got. I ain't

782
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: got no more than he got. Too short, My dog

783
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: hold on too short, got more than I got. They're

784
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: too short, got three calls man too short. They bump

785
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: in too short stuff. So in my case, it was

786
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: it was a lot of violence, And I think that

787
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: if you're close to that, you probably should separate yourself

788
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: from it, because anybody that's into that, that's closer, you

789
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't want you to be there. If you're a ball player,

790
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: if you would, entertainer, whatever it is, help that person.

791
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: Help people make it out when you see, when you

792
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: see it, got a chance. So I think that in

793
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: certain situations, like I noticed long after I moved, long

794
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: before I moved, that in the daytime, shine a little bit,

795
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: come by and say hi, what's up? You know, But

796
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: at night it's somebody that saw you earlier that day

797
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: it was like f him and they might see you

798
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: at the gas station of the store and just act

799
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: on that. So I used to have like my my,

800
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, different uniforms. Yeah, my uniform for hanging out

801
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: at night was be I look at everybody else, I'm like, okay,

802
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: put on some black jeans, put on a little black hoodie,

803
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: maybe a little raider hoodie or something, and uh, you know,

804
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: don't put the fly something cool and just come out

805
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: there and zip it up. You know what I'm saying.

806
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: I literally stand out. Literally. I wouldn't bought me a

807
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three Camaro Gotta. I wouldn't took it to

808
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: the cheapest paint shop. Gotta the cheap paint paint job

809
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: where if the if the little green chip, it'll be

810
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: blue underneath, right, you know what I'm saying, And put

811
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: some hub caps on it and have my little music inside.

812
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: I had a brand new engine, right, it was reliable, right,

813
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: but I would drive that at night. And when you

814
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: pull up cash just me like all that short. You know,

815
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: you ain't really pulling up with five chains on and

816
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: and jumping out acting like you the man, and it

817
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: just irritates people a little bit a show off. So

818
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, in certain situations, you don't got

819
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: a leader hood. Just understand that. You rub it and

820
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: then folks face right, all that social media posting saying

821
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: you got way more than everybody else. Somebody don't like

822
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: that man, right, And it might be somebody that normally

823
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be mad at you, but you're making them mad. Right.

824
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: And then you come around and you're showing up and

825
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: you're jumping out, and you ain't really sharing because it

826
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: ain't your obligation to necessarily share, right, So you're irritating somebody.

827
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: You might get a jealous a jealous reaction. So I

828
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: think Smart's the thing you do. Man, You be smart.

829
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: You be smart how you move and if you gotta

830
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: move out if you don't have that respect from like

831
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: guys who fight good and guys who are very violent,

832
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: don't come around them after you make it. And you

833
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: know somebody been you know flight way bully situation, or

834
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: it's a dude that like it's in the hood. Is

835
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: dudes like this. You gotta respect. All these dudes gonna

836
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: respect you. But it's just one dude that none of

837
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: them is gonna miss with if he go bad on you.

838
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: Oh man, Debo, don't win bad on you. Everybody who

839
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: will protect you now that ain't pect Like do you stop?

840
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Can't that DEEPO? So you know, right, So it's all

841
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: these situations that you gotta navigate through. DEEPO. Might not

842
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: be the guy who want a job. He don't want

843
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: to be your bodyguard. They don't want nothing from you.

844
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: He just you just don't like you could do a

845
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: punk showing off right and you in it. Right, So

846
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: you gotta be smart man. Right. You were in the

847
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: nineties in Atlanta. In the nineties, Tupac was also in Atlanta.

848
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: He was there, he was in joy, he was early,

849
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: he was the early one again. Yeah, yeah, so and

850
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: you also in the studio with Biggie. What was what

851
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: was it like? What was it? I mean because I

852
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: talked to Snoop and Snoop what was what was Park

853
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: really like? What was it like? With it being around

854
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: him in the studio? You know that you notice instantly

855
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: that Biggie and Park both You notice instantly like these

856
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: guys are not in the same universe as me because

857
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: the way they the way that their method of recording

858
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: is truly unbelievable. Biggie, no pain, no paper. That didn't

859
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: seem like you know, the one time I was around

860
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: and when he wrote a classic rhyme, which was the

861
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: world is field when the Rimmy's in my system, ain't

862
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: no telling, you know what I'm saying. Classic. We were

863
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: in the room and it was drink, it was smoking,

864
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: it was girls, it was loud, it was storytelling, it

865
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: was jokes. It was just a lot of distractions. So

866
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: we're working on the song. Puffy got the first verse.

867
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: Carl Thomas is on the hook. Beat is already done.

868
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: Carl Thomas and Puffy already area they Puffy is playing it,

869
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: doing his dance thing, and it's you know it was puffs. Uh.

870
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I forget how his verst started, but but he come

871
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: in slick and puff. At the time, wasn't really known

872
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: for like raps. He hadn't done a lot on Biggie's

873
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: first album, right. This was the second album, right, and

874
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: he was proud. He was hitting the knob and like,

875
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: look at sound like he did it. He he he

876
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: crafted his away from everybody and it was however he

877
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: did it, he did it right. So that's the first phase.

878
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: But I'm in the room. I was supposed to be

879
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: doing my little sixteen bars and but there's a lot

880
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: of distractions. It's two girls and racket it. You're drinking.

881
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: Let me hit that. Let you know, it's a treat.

882
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: So Biggie right there, we laughed, we steal it, and

883
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm ready. What you mean you're ready? What's

884
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: what's he talks about? He's ready, He's going there and

885
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: he's like he tell everybody like watching him duce in

886
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: one take and he going he go when the room

887
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: and in my sistim ain't no tell it and he stopped.

888
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: He goes, hull, hello, hollo, take it back, you like

889
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: watch it. And the next take he wrapped that whole

890
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: verse at one take, and he you know, when you

891
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: it's this is why I like about rap, whether it's

892
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: on you or you put it on somebody else. He

893
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: came out that boot and everybody was like, whoo, I'm

894
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: sitting here two verses on the song on the hook

895
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: is there to beat? There ain't but an open sixteen?

896
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: And me, I'm like, oh, like, oh man, it was.

897
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: It was It's that dudes like that put you in

898
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: that situation. How he did that with all that noise

899
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: and him talking, and how did he put that in

900
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: his head and memorize? You know. Jay Z went on

901
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: to develop that technique and then little Wayne stand I'm

902
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm throwing down the pen and now based on Biggie

903
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: evolution and notory is big. Ain't nobody trying to use

904
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: pen and paper because it's sort of like it's it's

905
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: like a straight jacket. Is It's it's limiting your your freedom?

906
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: Movie how you Go? So I found my way up

907
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: out of it. I I I boxed my way out

908
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: of it. It was, you know, I love those situations.

909
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: I learned that when you get around somebody that's better

910
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: than you and you ain't got no choice. You get better, right,

911
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: you have to. And Tupac was a whole different beast

912
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: because he actually would actually take a pen and paper,

913
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've seen any of his

914
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: written stuff. Yeah, he writes really fast and it's really

915
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: like like it has emotions in the pen. And he

916
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: and I one night, I remember in particular, he came

917
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: in and did something on my album, a song called

918
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: this Is How We Do, And he came in there

919
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, man, we had already made this song.

920
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: He's like, man, let me get on that song like you, Tupac,

921
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: get on it. And he gets the pen, he gets

922
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: the paper and he starts writing. And I watching him

923
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: and he's writing a line and he's writing as fast

924
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: as you can just keep writing. He just keeps writing.

925
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: Like when I write a rhyme, I'm wrap it. Think

926
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking right, you know, taking me about thirty minutes,

927
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: could take me an hour and get it like a

928
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: cool sixteen or something, you know, right, this man wrote

929
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: this verse I'm like five minutes as fast as he

930
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: could write it. And I'm like he had to notice

931
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: beforehand or something. But when you find out he's been

932
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: doing that everywhere, and he gets in there and he

933
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: just says to his opening line, was I finger fuck

934
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: up with my diamonds, Like you just thought of that,

935
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: like you just just come in here, and and everybody

936
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: said it. Man. They're like, Tupac, I have like two

937
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: verses written by the time you like just starting your

938
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: first couple of lines, right, and he in the booth

939
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: dancing circles around. You don't listen to a lot of

940
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: the songs he did with the with the his Crew,

941
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: the got Me Throwed Off now with the Who, with

942
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: the Kadafi and all that, and the outlaws, thinking Tupac

943
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: do the first two verses, and then they come on

944
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: and they said a lot of the songs he got

945
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: with people, He's already on verse two before you could

946
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: even start, and he just he going to boot and

947
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: rappers so fast while you're still writing, and he's like

948
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: catch up. And I don't know how these guys come

949
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: up with this. I don't know. I just think it's

950
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even call it genius. I would just I

951
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: think that think about people who die young, they seem

952
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: to and do great things. They seem to have an

953
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: urgency that they got to hurry up and do this

954
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: because they seem to know and a lot of time. Right.

955
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: In Tupac's case, he rapped about it multiple times. He

956
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: rapped about dying young, yes, getting murdered. Like, people don't

957
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: realize Tupac was what twenty five twenty five, Biggie was

958
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: him in twenty five two. Yeah, And it's hard to

959
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: accomplish that much at that age. And that's the thing

960
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: where people don't realize. You would think that bigger in

961
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: Tupac had teen and fifteen twenty year careers, like five,

962
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: we take time, Brady, where in twenty five he's not

963
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: a legend, we take two shot awear, twenty five ain't

964
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: no legend. Yeah, Like I need time to get to

965
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: this right. That he didn't have a jay Z career,

966
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: He didn't have an ll cool J or an ice

967
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Cube or Snoop dog the longevity. But I honestly think

968
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: that somewhere in there you get it, you get the insight.

969
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I know people who weren't as popular as them that

970
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: die young and they did great things, right, great things.

971
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you know to do this right?

972
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: How you know you gotta do this? Much though, I

973
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: think I think those guys were gifts gifts to hip hop, right.

974
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Tupac brought Biggie, brought that style to No pen and Pad,

975
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of cadences, a lot of stuff, you know,

976
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: the big guy swag. But you know Tupac, I think, man,

977
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: if you look at him, how many rappers had tattoos

978
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: thug wife on their stomach before Tupacci? Yeah, you know

979
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. How many? How many people was trying

980
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: to little skinny niggas was trying to tat it all

981
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: up and he was you know, he was immulating gangbangers,

982
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, cripts and bloods. But at the same time,

983
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: that's the look of hip hop now right, Like, you

984
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: can't really be a rapper, Like I'm a rapper with

985
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: no tattoos. I've been laughed at girls be like, let

986
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: me see all tattoos. I ain't gotten nohing. You ain't

987
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: how you ain't got no tattoos? I'm like, I wasn't

988
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: before Tupac. Baby, you tell a story about the road

989
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: trip from Miami to atl to be on Jay Z's

990
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: big pimping Oh yeah, yeah, I mean not big clipping, yeah,

991
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: big pippy. Yeah, that was the there's a whole thing

992
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: with Pimp C, U g k Y, Pimpcy and BUNB

993
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: and the big Pimping song, and I hear bun talk

994
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: about it, and I knew the story. I knew a

995
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: little bit of it because the label Drive Records were

996
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: all in the same label was trying to get Pimp

997
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: to do the song, and I knew Pimp's opinion on

998
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: the situation, and it was open and shut. If you don't,

999
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: if you don't fool with Tupac, I don't fool with

1000
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: your no bending of the rules. We're talking about a

1001
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: guy who never met Tupac, right, he's even knowing and

1002
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll ride with pot to the end. So

1003
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: anybody who ever said this on Tupac ever, PIMPC didn't

1004
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: like you, just just never would food with you ever

1005
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: ever her. So he put jay Z in the category

1006
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: of I don't think Tupac liked him. Tupac wouldn't you

1007
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: know as Biggie HOMEI or whatever, I ain't ain't fooling

1008
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: with him, but Bumby the label myself included was trying

1009
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: to say, no, Jay ain't like that, brother j JA.

1010
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: You know it's it's a great opportunity right, jay Z

1011
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: getting that you right, do it? I ain't doing it?

1012
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: You know all this stuff. So whatever bund and all

1013
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: of them did, they talked him into it. The song

1014
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: got recorded. The pimp still had an attitude about the

1015
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: East West and then he from Port Arthur, Texas, but

1016
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: he mad, how y'all feel about Tupac right and Bumby?

1017
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: It give you way more insight on pimp's state of

1018
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: mind about this. But I was given the task of

1019
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: pimp won't go to the video the two day video shoot.

1020
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: I think it really was a one day video shoot.

1021
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: They was gonna shooting in Trinidad at Carnival, and this

1022
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: fool got a song with jay Z, a video and

1023
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: Carnival Trinidad, and he ain't going like you would have

1024
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: called me and said, do the song win, you know,

1025
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: the video, Carnival win, my flight win exactly. Not see,

1026
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: she was hard headed. So I was giving the task

1027
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: because can you get him to come to the video.

1028
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: They gonna add another day and shoot in Miami. They

1029
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: gotta get see is a big budget video. I think

1030
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: hype waves that right. So Pimpse had just bought a

1031
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: brand new Mercedes. He loved this new Mercedes and I

1032
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: think I had just got this little Porsche. So I

1033
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: was like, we should He knew about the video. Wasn't

1034
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: like I wasn't scamming him and nothing. Right, I was like,

1035
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: we should get the cars, go down to the video. Shoot.

1036
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We get down there, stay

1037
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: a couple, we get some I was, well, you know whatever,

1038
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: And I made it a thing. And he always show up,

1039
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: you know if I said it, cause I was. I

1040
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: was just like he looked up the tupac. He looked

1041
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: up to me, right. And in all situations, pimp would

1042
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: be like throwing a fit and they'd be like, man,

1043
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: go talk to you a little brother. Man, gonna talk

1044
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: to him, right. I go in there and we're like,

1045
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: can't talk him down, but you could throw some logic

1046
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: in there. We like, see, we came here to get

1047
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: the money. Man. Then people out there. I want to

1048
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: see the show man. You know what I'm saying, right,

1049
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: that's men people, man, look, get them made at this show.

1050
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: That's how we just how we do it. Bruh, We

1051
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: get at them. He did with them later and he'd

1052
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: be like, all right, if you if you say so,

1053
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: but we show out. He would throw the stuff around,

1054
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: like if everybody, man, I don't get your money out out.

1055
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: So we took the road trip. We got him down there,

1056
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: didn't sing it, and we kicked it. We stayed in Miami.

1057
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: We stayed in Miami for a few weeks and had

1058
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: a ball like we we really did kick it. You

1059
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: love you love sports. I'm a sports fan. You you

1060
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: sports junking. You love it all basketball, football, boxing, Barry

1061
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: Barry sports fans very biased, you buy used, very biased,

1062
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: So you still curry above all. I'm Warriors, the Warriors.

1063
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: You're the Warriors. You know, I was my tell us.

1064
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: You was there before Steph and Clay and Draymond. You

1065
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: were what did they call himselves? That was the Matt Barnes,

1066
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: Stephen Jakes? What they what they did? We believe to you,

1067
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we believe. We believe we had

1068
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: run TMC. You know. Yeah yeah, but look at this man,

1069
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the We're the Warriors. Man. We really questioned

1070
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: the mate trade my teels like you're gonna trade my tail?

1071
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: And who who little our point, little little little little

1072
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: kid with the U with the with the weak ankles. Yeah,

1073
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: people was mad and stuff, you know, I really think

1074
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: he was that little kid all the way upteen. You

1075
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: get got that go teeth, when he got that go tee,

1076
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: when that got came, he grew up. He's like y'all know,

1077
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: ain't I remember the first time seeing Steph Curry the

1078
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Warriors was they used to club. You know, the new

1079
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Warriors don't really club. They they they are a little

1080
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: more refined. And you know the Steve Kurr Warriors. But

1081
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: the old Warriors, Baron Davids and them, Stephen Jackson and them.

1082
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Was they went to the Matt Barns. They was in

1083
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: the club every night. And I was like, who is

1084
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: that little boy with the Warriors? Who's the little boy?

1085
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: Like that's the back of the point guard. I like,

1086
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: he's like a little kid. Man, he was a little

1087
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: kid and he's Steph Curry out. So you know, for real,

1088
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: so short athletes, give me your no first of all,

1089
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: you say big it in Tupac. Obviously give me your

1090
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: my rushmore rappers. And that's that's a tough one, man.

1091
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: That's really a tough, tough, tough one. I'm from a

1092
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: different era than most hip hop fans, and you know,

1093
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: with me right out, he can't do nothing without Mellie Mail,

1094
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: like and a lot of people ain't gonna put him there,

1095
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: but he put the MC in it. He was the

1096
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: first one to me to just put the MC in it, yep,

1097
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: like in it like on a on, not on a

1098
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: New York scale, on a commercial national scale. Yeah, this

1099
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: is a songwriter rapper, right maker, Grand mess Flash, first

1100
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: five League rapper, Mellie Mail. You know, that's just a

1101
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: tough question, man, because I'm biased on the West Coast bias.

1102
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Give me your West Coast, give me your Mount Rushmore

1103
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: West Coast. But we just made the Mount Westmore group

1104
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: which does it, which is my guys. And then so

1105
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: you got forty you snoop and I got DJ Quick

1106
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: and I got warn No you ain't got before you got,

1107
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: but you ain't been there nor heads to my rush board.

1108
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: But of all time, man, you know I would put

1109
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: I would put Mellie Mail up there just because of

1110
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: his impact on hip hop. And I would put jay

1111
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: Z up there because I feel like jay Z. I

1112
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know where Biggie and jay Z would have ended

1113
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: up as Brooklyn brothers if they both had a long career.

1114
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where they would have went what Puffy

1115
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: would have did with Big whether it would evolve to

1116
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: But I do know that jay Z is an ex

1117
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: tension of Biggie, and I don't I do know that

1118
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: he I don't notice for a fact, but I do

1119
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: know that he took on everything jay Z was gonna

1120
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: be and everything Biggie was gonna be. And he said,

1121
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm wearing both these both these fuck roats and and

1122
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: and and hold it down for Brooklyn, right. So where

1123
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: he got to is definitely it a rapper wise, you

1124
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: can't put doctor Dre in it because he's not a

1125
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: writing rapper, but he's doctor Dre and he had the

1126
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: best resume. He got the best branches on his tree

1127
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: of eminem and Snoop Doug and fifty cent and you

1128
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: know he's a producer. But rap wise, man, it's it's

1129
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: just too many. It's too many. It's too many to

1130
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: just go down the line and go who's the goat

1131
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: because there's too many goats. Man, I got my my boys.

1132
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: Scar Face, I mean, he's he's goat. Stop that's on us.

1133
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: The songs he wrote like scar face, you're gonna say scarface,

1134
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: but go back and listen to the word he wrote

1135
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: like the words he wrote, he's it's so poetic, poetic

1136
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, there were the different style because people don't

1137
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: give k kr s it's lyricist kr. People don't give

1138
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: krs is due. But but I'm old enough. You and

1139
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: I are both old enough to know who krs won it.

1140
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: And Big Daddy Kane whom I mean, Kumoda he was

1141
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: a yep, you know, he was a guy for a while,

1142
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: rock Hill rock him. He changed a lot of a

1143
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of the way people rap. Right, I'm saying every

1144
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people rot a lot to the table, man,

1145
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: So it's hard to it's hard to go to with me. Man,

1146
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: I can't top five nothing. I'm not arguing no top

1147
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: five arguments. I'm not agreed with no top five that

1148
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: you gotta. I'm not. It's just it's just not I

1149
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: can't even top ten. It not even top ten. I can't. Man. Okay,

1150
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: we'll give me your rushmore basketball. Now you can do

1151
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: that hoop. Let's see. Uh. I'm definitely gonna go with

1152
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: Magic and Jordan. Okay, let's putting them on there. Okay,

1153
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I got the witness and I've seen the I've seen

1154
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: the college clips and I've seen a lot of the youngster.

1155
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, Kareem app Dow with jabar Man

1156
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: a little ausender, you know what I mean. It's it's

1157
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: it's savage. Yeah, cause me picture his end of his

1158
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: career when he wasn't really going back on defense, but

1159
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 1: a lot layed up to that. Yeah, to still hold

1160
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: these he still hold that scoring. He had it for

1161
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: another year and a half till Lebron, Lebron, Lebron gonna

1162
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: get that. It's coming. He got you, He got you,

1163
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: That's part of it. While you hanging around. Yeah, uh, Lebron,

1164
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Lebron. They they talked to Lebron Steph

1165
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: Curry thing. But I'm like, I have a theory. You

1166
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: might dispute it. I know, you big up Lebron a lot.

1167
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: I have a theory that later on they're going to

1168
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: introduced the technology of human hybrids. And I gotta let

1169
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: us know that Lebron was one of the first, Like

1170
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: he was partially a robot six nine two fifty, could run,

1171
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: could jump body like Karl Malone. And I always thought

1172
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: it when he was a youngster, because he was a

1173
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: grown man at sixteen, right literally the grown man and

1174
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: he held up and he's still like coming down that lane.

1175
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: I pitied the food that take a charge from Lebron,

1176
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: Like they get out the way. I literally seen players

1177
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: like you watched you watched the game a different way

1178
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: to be but you jump out the way when he

1179
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: comes out. You ain't got no pads on Why am

1180
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: I taking Why am I taking a nail boat to

1181
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: the chair? Why am I taking a knee to the chair.

1182
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: I see dudes take that charge and later like, yeah

1183
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: he's a robot. Yeah he's a robot. He done a

1184
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of robot stuff in the game too. Appreciate it, yes,

1185
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: sir for stopping by. Wait, don't mean yet it because

1186
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: I need to know because I thought you and your

1187
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: brother was twins for years. Who the oldest he is?

1188
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: He is the oldest? Okay, I'm three years younger for real. Yeah,

1189
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: you get the twins stuff a lot. No, well no,

1190
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: not really, but no people mistake me for him. They say, well,

1191
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: were you the one that played in Green Bay? I mean,

1192
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: people know we're brothers, but they always you know what

1193
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm You know, I'm a raider now, so man, y'all

1194
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: always been a raider. You got to get you a

1195
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: new team. Bro, y'all gonna do that. We're about to

1196
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: get us a quarterback. Everything AMC West, you know? Yeah?

1197
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: You know how we get down to mc west? Oh yeah,

1198
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: aint love, ain't love lost three nobody in that individual. Yeah.

1199
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: So where y'all from? Born in Chicago, raised in South Georgia. Okay,

1200
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: so down in Savannah way yeah see yea, I went

1201
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: to school to Savannah. I'm about sixty five miles from Savannah.

1202
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: I know everything geographically. Okay, yeah, so you so you

1203
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: not only where do you live? So you parked it?

1204
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: You all died in Themaican Savannah going down there, Georgia, Columbus,

1205
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: all that, Yeah, okay, so yeah, I know it all.

1206
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: I know it all every I know every little town

1207
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas. I didn't hit the back rows.

1208
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I didn't get the Chilean second. Bryeahing about you short

1209
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: beg you bro? Good stuff? All my life, the grinding

1210
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice, hustle backer price, want a slice,

1211
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: got the broler dice to swap all my life. I've

1212
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: been grinding all my life, all my life, then grinding

1213
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: all my life sacrifice custle backer. Price want a slice,

1214
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: got the brother dice to swap all my life. I've

1215
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,479
Speaker 1: been grinding all my life.