WEBVTT - What is Numerology? Part 1 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.000 My family was very religious, So this kind of stealth 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.239 and astrology and numerology and the planets and just all 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.440 it's just very outside the box. Like if all things 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.720 are based on numbers, if if the universe is like 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:18.599 has a code to it, which I learned in Cabala, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.560 Why wouldn't people have code? Can it really be that 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.599 your birthdate and your name has anything to do with 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:34.760 your life? It's so arbitrary. Hello, Hello, Happy Monday, everyone. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.879 Welcome to this week's episode of Cheeks and Chill. I'm 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.480 having such a great day, Thank goodness, and I hope 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.760 you guys are too. Today's episode is going to be 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.680 super interesting. It's about numerology, that's right. We're gonna find 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.760 out what numerology is exactly and what it isn't. This 0:00:51.880 --> 0:01:00.080 is checks and Chill, alright, So numerology, this is a 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.600 topic I'm really fascinated by. I've always been fascinated by 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.640 numbers and the meaning behind it. So I'm so excited 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.840 to speak to our guest today, Josh Siegel. He's been 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.560 a numerologist for more than twenty years, so he has 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.200 a lot of experience. He also has worked with celebrities 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.959 and fortune executives, So he knows a thing or two 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.600 about this stuff and I can't wait to learn more. Hi, Josh, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.880 how are you? Hey? How are you nice to be here? 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.600 Thank you? I'm so happy um that you're here, and 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.680 I'm I'm excited. I'm excited to talk to you. I 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.559 know we have a lot to impact today, but maybe 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.560 we can start with how you got into numerology. Is 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.360 this something friends or family were also into or is 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.400 it just something that interests you? No, they complete opposite. Actually, Oh, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.880 I was adopted and my parents, my mother who raised me, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.600 was was from Germany regionally, and she was an intellectual 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.080 and academic, a professor as a matter of fact, in 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.560 a major university. Total skeptic. I mean, this was not 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.720 in her wheelhouse at all. My father was an attorney. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.040 I grew up in a Jewish family and very old 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.880 school and so this had nothing to do with my 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.359 background at all. But I had just kind of inherent, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.520 kind of just incessant need to know why things are 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.440 the way they are. And my mom is like, you know, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.680 very sort of fact based and science based, and but 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.120 I just felt like there was more to life than 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.600 when I was seeing so because I grew up in 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.760 a Jewish family. I started studying more of the mystical 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:38.840 aspects of Judaism, so which was called Kabbala. Kabala is 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.800 a very sort of philosophical, mystical system of how things 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.840 are the way they are. It's a very powerful system 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.240 spiritual and you know, there's different writings over you know, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.160 over two thousand years. But I started sending that and 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.560 I started realizing that a lot of their teachings were 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.600 connected to numbers. I thought, well, that's kind of well. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.040 It made it a lot of sense to me because 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.799 it was sort of like I came from this mathematical background, right, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.520 meaning that my parents were intellectuals and they're into like science, right. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.840 But it was signed like numbers connected to spirituality. And 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.760 I was like, wow, this this works for me. It's 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.239 like best of both worlds. So that's how I got 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.040 started in this. And then it was only a matter 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.920 of time before I found a book one day at 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.959 a at a spiritual bookstore here in Los Angeles. It's 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.680 no longer there, but it was sort of this famous 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.320 hub of the community, and and it was like, if 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.800 all things are based on numbers, if if the universe 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.440 is like has a code to it, which I learned 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.160 in Cabala. Why wouldn't people have a code. Why wouldn't 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.760 we have like a code to who we are? And so, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.240 I mean I thought about it, like, well, we have DNA. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.040 We have a mathematical code that says what our eye 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.600 color and hair color is going to be, you know, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.120 in our DNA stran Why wouldn't there be a mathematical 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.640 code or like our personality or how our lives go, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.560 you know. And so I read this book and I 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.680 was like, God, can it really be that your birth 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.720 date and your name has anything to do with your life? 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.400 It's so arbitrary. So remember I grew up in a 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.640 skeptic environment, so I didn't take this at face value. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.080 It spoke to me like it like interested me. Kind 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.640 of made sense to me, but I had to verify this. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:27.400 So I I spent literally years reading every book, every 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.240 different system, every different opinion on it. Like if I traveled, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.560 I'd go to like old libraries and try to find 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.239 books that are out of print that no one knows about. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.119 So you really dug in, Oh, because I'm a totally 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.080 obsessive mind, I love that. Well, thank goodness, because now 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.479 I get to speak to you, and it seems like 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.039 you know everything and anything that I need to know 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.800 about it. I've been into numerology, but I don't obviously 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.960 know everything. I feel that I should know or I 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.719 could know, should I say? Um? And of course me too. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.080 I came my family is very religious, so this kind 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.320 of stuff astrology and numerology and the plan it's and 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.799 just all it's just very outside the box. It's outside 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.359 the box exactly. So I've always been a little different. Um, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.680 So this is why I'm like, well, I I truly 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.719 do believe you know the importance of signing certain papers 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.400 and documents on on certain days, you know, like the 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.040 power that that has or you know. So anyways, this 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.920 is why we're talking to you. But if you can 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.560 tell myself and my listeners what is numerology? I know 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.240 that there are a lot of a lot of misunderstanding 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.400 around it. So you tell us, Josh, what is numerology? Well, 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.960 simple definition of it without going into its origins. All 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.960 things have a vibration to it, and we're talking right now. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.760 And you can measure that in a computer. You can 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.160 record that and it will show a sound wave and 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.719 and that's a numeracle sound how many hurts? So all 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.719 things vibrate to its own energy. And the idea is 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.279 that people, human beings vibrate to their own energy, just 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.400 like everything else in this universe. The concept is that 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.200 your birthdate and your name, every letter equals a number. Okay, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.680 so A is one, B is two. It's a chronology, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.520 right that you could calculate a series of numbers to 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.280 break down the code the numeros the vibration of your 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.200 code as to who you are and why you're here. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.040 And it's that numbers have a deeper meaning to them. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.280 It's not just for accounting with your accountant. That they 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.440 have qualities to them. And so then numbers that relate 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.039 to you, specifically your name and your birthday, show what 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.960 your qualities are. What that you know, Like everyone has 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.320 a unique thumb print, right, it's like your numerical thumb print, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.599 and it tells your storyline. My mother was such a 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.080 skeptic that she thought skeptics weren't skeptical enough, you know. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.760 I mean, if you could improve things empirically through science, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.640 like you can get the hell out of the house. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.640 So so I understand that mentality better than anybody as 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.720 a matter of fact, my mom. It's so funny. My 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.200 mom's last name was Einstein. She was a German Jew, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.320 and I we never knew whether she was actually related 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.479 to Albert Einstein until much later. Um, and I actually 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.680 someone did a family tree and did the research and 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.360 connected the dots. Now she was distantly related. But my 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.400 mom literally was a descendant of Albert Einstein, flat out 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:20.000 wow and uh. And she kept her maiden name so 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.200 she taught it U. C. L A. So my mother 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:29.040 literally was known as Professor Einstein. That's cool, Oh my goodness. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.840 I mean, I didn't go to college. I wish I 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.440 would have. But the thing is is, what I've seen 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.280 is that people that are very book smart, they're they're 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.480 a little bit more narrow minded in the sense of 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.040 I just I'm going based on what I have read, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.880 what I have learned in school, and they don't really 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.440 want to hear anything else. So maybe that's what you're saying. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.960 Your mom was that way. Yes, my mom was an 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.640 expert in whatever she studied. But you know, academia is 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.840 only like and this is what I'm talking about science 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.560 versus spiritual science, because the scientific community looks at what 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.240 I do probably and thinks it's complete pseudoscience, unproven, it's arbitrary, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.520 and trust me, I understand that because I grew up 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.120 with a massive skeptic as a mother, right. But but 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.720 it's it isn't a new age concept. Someone didn't come 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.040 up with this in the last hundred years. What people 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.360 need to understand is that using numbers in the philosophical 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.520 mystical way dates back literally thousands of years. You know, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.280 I'm writing a book on it. I did research I 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.960 can date back to the Egyptians, the Babylonians, you know 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.320 what I mean, the Indians where they connected numbers to 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.520 their gods and but it was all about nature and astrology. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.400 And you know, before astronomy, there was astrology, mathematics and 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.040 the divine and how things work in this world were connected. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.120 Back then, spirituality and science were together, and then at 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.240 some point they separated them. Because do you think that 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.000 it was even more so back then? Like even I 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.840 don't know, I feel because it's a scary thing for 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.559 us to tap into that that maybe some folks and 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.480 I don't want to say who, but certain people don't 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.080 want that force because it's it's just too strong. So 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.920 it's better to just separate them both. Well, listen, I 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.880 have a I have, I have opinions on that. And 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.640 first of all, I grew up under you under the 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.280 Judeo Christian background I got. My parents were Jews. The 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.880 Jews were the chosen people, as a Christian says, as 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.440 I should say, all the early Church fathers, most of 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.599 them were Jews. I believe in God, I believe in 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.079 morality and ethics. And so the funny thing about this 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.200 or the irony is anyone studies the Bible. We have 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.560 the book of numbers. We if you, if you read 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.880 the Revelations of John, I mean, it's like a numerological piece. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.400 I mean it's numbers everywhere, twelve, this, seven, that nine, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.320 miss you know, I mean, all through the Bible, the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.840 Old Testament and the New Testament is filled with numerology. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.959 Jesus has given thirty pieces of silver. Enoch lived three 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.080 hundred and sixty five years, but we know that three 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.959 sixty five is the days in the year. You see, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.800 a lot of this stuff that's in the Bible is 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.480 connected also to astrological and spiritual things. So there's different 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.400 levels of it. So when I do numerology, I'm not 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.959 doing some sort of weird, strange things some weird people 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.079 came up with. I'm talking about knowledge. It's been around 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.520 for thousands of years. I think numerology proves the existence 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.839 of God. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.320 it's anti God. I think it proves God. I think 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.200 that shows that all this. We'll talk about Einstein earlier. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:36.120 Einstein said something to the effect that all this couldn't 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.600 be here for random, all the things that I'm seeing 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.040 when he studied things in physics, right, you know, he 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:43.680 came up with the theory of relativity and all this 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.080 kind of stuff. But he said that there was an 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.640 intelligent mind behind the universe. Yes, And he said, people 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.400 who say that I don't believe in God, they don't 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.560 know me. Basically. You know, I've read all these quotes 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.440 from him, and by the way, I checked my sources 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.800 to make sure they were proper sources and not fake sources. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.680 But he said these things, And the reason being is 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.440 it's that he realized, Hey, this is this isn't just 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.400 some coincidence. Something's behind all this. Yes, I think it's 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.679 all connected. And I'm so glad that I'm so to 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.120 you because there are probably people out there that don't 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.840 believe this. But see, look, I respect everyone's opinions, everyone's beliefs, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.760 but I truly I'm on the same page with you. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.880 I think it is all definitely connected. And I have 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.720 seen numbers forever in the Bible. Oh my god, it's 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.080 it's literally everywhere. It's undeniable. I do believe in God. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.160 I do believe in being a good person. I do 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.920 believe in that BECs. I do believe in the Christian 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.520 you do back around. I am a product of that, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.880 and what I do is not inconsistent with with that 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.959 at all. And I respect religion. I respect people who 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.120 believe in God, and I'm down with it. But I'm 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.720 telling you that when you sit down with these numbers, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.240 I'm telling you that it's a language that was set 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.600 up for us to learn more about things. I just 0:11:55.640 --> 0:12:00.000 think at some point, probably because of control, probably because 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.280 as of people not wanting people to have access to this, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.440 because they wanted to control the information. There you go, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.439 that's the word control. Yeah, looking for But that's not God, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.360 that's not God, that's not that's not true true religion. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.800 That's that's political. Yes, Josh, you're my guy. Man, Oh 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.160 my goodness, this is so crazy. It's still so good 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.560 to know that I'm not crazy, because I've been told before, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.120 you know, like oh that sounds a little too far 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.240 fetched or I don't know about that, or you know 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.480 what I mean. So this is this makes me feel good. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.400 And Josh, tell me, how can we use numbers today 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.960 to understand our lives? So I use it in a 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.320 very modern context, okay, um, I use it in a 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.480 in a semi psychological way. Okay, it depends on how 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:48.880 long your name is. And you know, I use a 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.200 very sophisticated version of numerology and that you know, I've 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.960 estimated that I've done over twenty thousand sessions. Okay, you 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.360 know I'm actually fifty two going on fifth d three. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.160 Actually been doing well. I got my all my hair. Yeah, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.800 it's a great thing. So I've actually been doing this 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.480 technically for twenty five years, right, and I just stopped 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.480 counting after twenty because I don't want to date myself, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.320 you know what I mean, Like I don't want to 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.200 people thinking like I was hanging out with mc hammer 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.000 or something like this guy. So I've been doing this 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.160 a very long time and people need to know that 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.959 I have a very discriminating mind. And it took years 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.320 of testing, and I did trial and error, and I 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.880 basically were like case studies. I would test a formula, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.559 I would add up a number of certain way. I'd 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.280 ask them what happened in their life. I tried and 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.920 I started taking notes. It was painstaking research. So when 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.680 I talk about things, I'm not just coming up with 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:47.280 this stuff. You know. It's a mathematical formula. Yeah, it's 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 just what it gets interesting is if you have five 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.440 six numbers in the chart, I have to combine those 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.240 numbers to make the unique You tell me my number, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.760 I'm like, oh my god, it takes a minute. Right, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.040 Oh my gosh, is that me? That is geez, Louise. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.520 I wish you guys could see this piece of paper. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.520 There is like, yeah, there's a lot going on on 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.640 that paper. Okay, Like it's like a beautiful mind, you know. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.880 So it gets complicated because no one's a one dimensional person, right, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.760 Everyone has different aspects to them. Right. If you look 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.120 at my chart, you'll notice I have some fours in there, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.240 which makes me very analytical and practical. And then you'll 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.240 see elevens, which makes me a little bit, you know, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.160 alternative thinking, right, and then there's a little bit of 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.840 the healer in there, and then you you kind of 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.600 put it together. I used sort of an analytical system 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.240 that's alternative and maybe spiritual or unique in its way 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.840 that helps people. It's like you have to you have 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.200 to put it all together. And what I'm reading here 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.040 is your higher purpose. So let me get a little 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.920 bit more into this with people understand what it means. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.480 When you get a session, it can take. I mean 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.160 I tell people I could spend three hours in an 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.520 analysis of your numbers. Very easy? Three hours? Can you? 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.600 And yeah, now we would both hang ourselves. But that's 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.200 how much information I can get, right. And so there 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.560 are three numbers that describe your characteristics. There's like a 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.040 natural ability number. These are talents and abilities that you 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.600 have that come come easy for you. And then your's 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.880 your inner drive number, what motivates you. It's kind of 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.200 like a driving force that behind your actions because this 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.440 is something important to It's kind of how your mind thinks, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.800 what drives you. And then there's your your personality number, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.440 which will exhibit certain characteris is that characteristics that people 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.160 see okay or how how you interact with people, how 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.880 they interact with you. Okay, now, now those you can't 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.480 do a reading without those three numbers, right. However, there's 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:45.120 either two or three lesson numbers, okay, and in your case, 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.640 you have two. One is in the life path, what's 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.680 one is called the life path number derives solely from 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.200 your birthday. And then one I one I call the 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.120 ultimate goal number, which not many numerologists are aware of 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.000 or understanding. I've never heard of that when I was 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.600 about to tell you that, I've only heard of path 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.800 number and your destiny number. Right, So the destiny numbers 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.920 is what I call your natural ability number, because it 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.120 has nothing to do with your destiny. You know, I 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.160 had to spend all these years with all these different 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.840 authors and different systems out there and go through it 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.520 and say what worked and didn't work. And I had 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.280 to throw out what didn't work, Yeah, because I wasn't 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.960 gonna take it at phase about you know, I'm still 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.920 you know, my adopted mom's gone. She passed in and 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.960 ninety three years old. She never full I think towards 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.560 the end of her life she started going, well, I 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.560 don't know what the hell he's doing but he's passionate 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.680 about it. I think she saw me on Diane Sawyer 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.360 the News Hour once and that kind of gave me 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.320 some credibility. And she's like, you know, Diane Sawyer is 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.720 a credible news hour. But then you became clear. Yeah, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.000 She's like, how did you get on Diane Sawyer? You 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.400 know with your voodoo? You know? So yeah. I was like, mom, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.720 you know this this is real. So um. But anyways, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.840 the ultimate goal number is something I discovered. Uh, there's 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.000 only a few people knew about that, and one of 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.040 them was, well, it came. It actually came from a 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.919 woman named Jean who wrote books in the sort of 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.240 the eighties really nineties, and she was an a five 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.879 year old woman who lived in Salem, Oregon, and the 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.480 phone number in the back of the book, and I 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.000 called her and she would stay on the phone for 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.480 me for hours because I had all these questions, and 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.359 she became kind of my quasi teacher. Oh you know, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:25.560 I never met the woman. I never knew what you 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.960 look like or anything. I just called her and she 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.600 would stay on the phone for hours with me. Wow. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.800 So you guys had a very deep connection. We we did. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.040 We did, and she she turned me onto the ultimate goal. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.040 But my research showed and this is the most powerful 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.639 thing I've learned. The ultimate goal number shows you what 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.359 your deepest lessons are. That you'll grow up in a family, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.440 in an environment that is a direct connection between your 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.679 parents and you, which is kind of very kind of 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.879 dovetails into psychology today. You know how your pal mommy 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.040 and Daddy screwed you up right, and even and the 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.680 and the best of families, how they you know, how 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.159 they're unresolved wounds downloaded into you right, and how you 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.600 were destined to go through certain events, that we're going 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.919 to shape your wounds and challenges, and that later on 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.639 in life you were going to repeat these wounds and 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.560 challenges by attracting people into your life to play them 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.439 out like a Shakespearean drama. Now, what I discovered is, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.640 and again this is not a theory anymore. I've had 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.760 over cases. Right, what I discovered is your deepest wound 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.600 now in your life path as well. You gotta look 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.760 at the life path and the ultimate life path. You 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.240 learned a little bit sooner, but it's still a lesson. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.679 You know, you've got to combine the two. But what 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.040 I found particularly with the ultimate goal, is that once 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.679 you start to wake up, because here's something else that's 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.159 kind of deep. At this stage in my life and 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.960 working with as many people as I have from all 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.280 walks of life, this I realized that I think God 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.240 sends us down here to learn, you know, some things, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.119 and it's kind of like a setup. It's kind of 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.080 like a boot camp for souls, you know, like we're 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.240 just here like in a like a soul and a 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.440 body on a spinning planet, and all this ship's going 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.680 at us and we got the crazy uncle and the 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.240 mom and the dad left, and then we're going up 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.199 and we're trying to figure this out. And then you 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:14.720 try to find your way, and then you have a 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.879 relationship with this person you think you find love, but 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.639 this person is you know, throwing you for a loop. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.000 And then you go you know what I mean, And 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.840 then this person becomes an alcoholic or this person runs 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.399 away and then or does you know, I gotta make 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.320 as much money as I can only find out it's 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.159 not that's not what life is. And you go through 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.119 these series. I mean, I've heard, don't you understand how 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.639 many stories I've heard? I feel like I feel like 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.560 you like you just like I don't know, Like we 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.920 talked before this conversation, and you know everything about me, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.440 like you literally named almost, if not everything that I 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.440 have had to deal with. Well, well, that's that's because 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.000 I got your child. Oh you got my charts. A 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.200 whole lot of numbers there, guys. Yeah, so yes, what 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.560 I just talked about part of it is there. We'll 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.920 talk about your eight in your ultimate goal and what 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.840 you know. But what happens is when you start to 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.960 wake up out of it, the same number that represented 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.280 your deepest issue, how you got set up, you know, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.120 because you have to learn something down here. It becomes 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:12.399 your higher purpose. Okay, see that. That's I honestly truly 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.160 believe that. Yes, I I believe in reincarnation. I feel 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:23.680 that I've been here many times in different forms. But 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.560 I do have a question before we move on to 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.199 my reading. I see a lot of what I call 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.720 angel numbers. I see a lot of eleven, eleven, I 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.160 see two, two, I see three three all the time, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.480 I've been seeing twelve, twelve a lot for the past 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:40.479 like two weeks. Are those What do you think about that? All? Right, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.159 so you said you've been seeing all right, all right, 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.360 So so let's talk about the first thing you want 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.320 to do is see is there any correlation to the 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.480 chart in the six numbers or five numbers in your case, 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.639