1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: The morning of December sixth, twenty twenty was a day Jared, 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: We'll never forget because it was the day of the fire. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Christy, my wife, ended up waking me up. I remember 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: seeing smoke hovering above the bed. It was like a hazy, 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: almost a fog looking smoke. It was see through gray. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: I don't know why I remember that vivid detail. I 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: tell her, go get the dog, get Ada, take her outside, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: make sure you're safe away from the house. I'm gonna 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: grab a few things, see if it's a small fire. 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: But it wasn't a small fire. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: I opened that spare bedroom door that was shut. There 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: was a huge cloud of black smoke that just kind 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: of engulfed me. And when I as soon as I 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: opened that door, it took the breath bright out of me. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: And I haven't been exposed to a heavy fire before, 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: so I'm thinking, okay, I'll be fine to see if 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: I can walk in here and spray. I had a 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: bucket of water to myself, Okay, I can walk in 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: your furnace on her. No. As soon as that smoke 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: hit me, it was like there was nothing left to 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: my lungs. I wanted to collapse. Looking back, it was 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: probably a terrible idea. I even open that door, but 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: it's still my home. I knew what was going to happen. Then, 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: all that fresh air, the cold morning, all that oxygen 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: rich air is going to get in there. And after 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: that the flames took off. 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Jared realized he was not going to be able to 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: extinguish this fire on his own. He had to call 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: nine to one one. He went outside to join Christy 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: and their dog ad Up, but Christie was gone. 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: When I shut the door to try to contain it. 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: I run outside and when I go outside, her car's gone. 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: Like I'm like, where did she go? I didn't see 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: the car. I knew I saw the car going up 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: the drive and I could hear it, but then it 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: was gone. On refond, what if you're a emerger? 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Darn called nine one one and reported that his house 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: was on fire. He would eventually see Christy and ate 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: it again at the house as the fire trucks began 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: to arrive. But where was Christie when he came out 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: of the house. He says that even though his driveway 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: was five to six hundred feet long, if she was 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: parked at the top of the driveway waiting for him 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: as he asked her to do, he would have seen 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: their car. Why would you leave in the middle of 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: a fire. I'm Tricia la Fog. I'm a writer, director, actor, 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: and federal criminal defense attorney. I'm going to tell you 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: a story that's all too real about love, lies, and 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: the lens people will go to for attention. It's a 50 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: story that will leave you questioning everything you thought you 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: knew about truth, about reality, and about what happens when 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: the two collide in the most unimaginable way. From Audio 53 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Up and just Sweep Press Productions, this is the Unborn. 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: Jared's house is located in a rural area. He's surrounded 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: by farms and forests. It's also located out past the 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: final fire hydrant that is closest to town. 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: And the big thing that's running through my head is 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: when is the fire department to get here? It takes them. 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 2: It seemed like an eternity. They got to my house 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: in six minutes. Ends up, there were four, actually there 61 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: were five fire stations that actually came to the house 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: because there was no we don't have fire hydrants or 63 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: anything like that. You have to go haul water in 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: to spradies, so there's spring set up for collecting water 65 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: for fire trucks and things like that on probably a 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: mile and a half away. I think I want to 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: say there was twenty trucks of water had to come through. 68 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: With the fire chief Carl, along with Tyler, one of 69 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the firefighters from his house. Their department was first to 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: arrive on the scene, and they both participated in putting 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: out the fire. Coincidentally, Jared knew Tyler as a classmate. 72 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: He was a couple of years ahead of Tyler in school. 73 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: This is Tyler. 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: We did the first ones on scene, and I'm pretty 75 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: sure the old. 76 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: House was engulfed. 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: Everybody was out of house, and we just start cone 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: lines and working on. 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: I asked the chief about the level of difficulty involved 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: in having to bring in water. I was impressed. Carl 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: shrugged it off like it was no big deal. 82 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: No, it's what we did for years before we had hiders. 83 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: We were one of the first fire companies to do 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: tanker shovels here in this area. So and then I'd 85 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 5: caught on on the rough surrounding community. So we're all 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 5: equipped to do the same thing. Once we passed that 87 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 5: last tiger, we go way back to the old fashionedly 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 5: tanker shovels, and we have additional dry heide. 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 6: In the area teams. 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Jared said that the first trucks arrived on the scene 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: within six minutes of him placing the call. Since Carl 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: and Tyler were there first, I wanted to know their 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: opinion of the level of engulfment that the house was 94 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: in when they arrived. 95 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: I'd say it's about seventy five percent involved. 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: When week there. 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: Seventy five percent involved. I honestly don't know a lot 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: about fires, but seventy five percent involved seems like a 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: lot to me, and the chief felt the same way. 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 5: This seemed unusual in that amount of time, the short 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 5: response time that it would be that far long. 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 4: Either it wasn't reported and it's early stages and nobody 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: saw it, or of course I wouldn't have thought it 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 4: at the time that there could have been an accelerant 105 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: involved to make it progressive before There's lots of things 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 4: that goes into the fire. 107 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 5: Makes thinks it either progressed further or world off. 108 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: It was surprising he brought this up, especially because I 109 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: didn't mention it. So I asked him what some natural 110 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: accelerants would be open doors. 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: For basic accident mostly just win you know air. 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 5: Somebody opens the door, could be open doors throughout the 113 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 5: doors between room the room, or shut it slans the 114 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 5: fire down to let progressing from. 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 4: Room the room. 116 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Jared did open doors. So we know for a fact 117 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: that there were natural accelerants involved. But what about man 118 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: made accelerants? 119 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you could use paper. You don't have 120 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 4: to use an accelerant. 121 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 3: Some stack up a bunch of garbage and closed waste paper? 122 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: Is it like that? 123 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: If you can get that sofa, See that's a good 124 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 5: one there too, You can get that sofa, burn. 125 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: Them things go up like an accelerant. That yellow phone it's. 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: In It burns fast and quick and very poisonous. 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: So there was when they get hot too, Because I 128 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 3: remember that Paull the guns in a safe was going 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: off the whole time, remember, yeah, all the shells and 130 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: a safe was going off. 131 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to tell her what she did. 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: In the end, there was nothing left of Jared's childhood home. 133 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Ruins, absolutely nothing. There was nothing left of it. There's 134 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: nothing saladar from it. My whole my childhood home that 135 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: I grew up in. I bought off my parents was 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: stopping planks, literally gone. 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: When Jared first left his house after being unable to 138 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: put out the fire himself, he did not see Christy 139 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: or their dog Ada, but in the chaos of the moment, 140 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Jared does recall Christy returning. The next time he saw her, 141 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: she was being examined by the EMTs. I asked him 142 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: if he ever asked the EMTs specifically, are the babies okay? 143 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Or if he remembers hearing anyone talk about the babies 144 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: with the medical professionals at all? 145 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: Is everything all right? They were like, Yep, everything looks fine. 146 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: I never never crossed my mind to say, hey, she's pregnant. 147 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: Did you check on them? I asked, is everything all right? 148 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: Looking back, maybe I should have been a little more 149 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: detail oriented. 150 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: This is yet another time that Jared is looking back 151 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: wondering if he should have asked more questions. But hindsight 152 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: is twenty twenty. I'm not blaming him. None of this 153 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: is his fault, just noting a recurring theme that maybe 154 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: he was too trusting. And while Jared doesn't remember hearing 155 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: anyone else ask about the babies, we did speak to 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: a neighbor, Darcy, who was present at the scene. 157 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: She's like no. 158 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of friends and neighbors gathered while the 159 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: firefighters tried to put out the fire, and Darcy clearly 160 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: remembers that after Christy was seen by the EMTs, she 161 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: was sitting in her grandmother's car when someone mentioned to 162 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: them that she was pregnant. They offered to check her again, 163 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: but Christy refused. 164 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 7: She wanted to go over there because they wanted to well, 165 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 7: they were going to try to do your heart being 166 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,359 Speaker 7: on the vase. 167 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Jared sent Christy home with his mom. He chose to 168 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: stay until the fire finally went out. Family and friends 169 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: stuck around to support. 170 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: No. I made her go home with my mom. They 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 2: went over to the house. I had somebody sit there 172 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: with me, and I sat there and watched. 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: The burdener I sted away, even though it was ruined. 174 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: Jared had a hard time walking away from the smoldering home. 175 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: He spent every penny he had fixing it up, his 176 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: memories passed and future disappearing before his eyes. 177 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: I did. It was a lot of time, a lot 178 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: of energy, a lot of thought into it. I mean 179 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: that was it looked almost exactly what I wanted to 180 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: look like I had a few more finishing touches and 181 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: who four hours, it's gone. 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: Admittedly, Jared and I had only spoken one time before 183 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: we sat down together during that initial phone call right 184 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: after all this happened, so I'm learning a lot of 185 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: the details that I didn't know about before. Jared had 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: been working on the house for almost a year, and 187 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: he had just put the finishing touches on the house 188 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: that day, while Christy had her scheduled C section the 189 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: following day. How could these two things be a coincidence? Sure, 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, but is it likely? 191 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: This is probably the worst part is me reliving this part. 192 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: You can't bring that back. I can't bring back the 193 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: scratches I remember putting in the floor because I screwed 194 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: up where I was hitting with a hammer. I won't 195 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: ever be able to remember those things and show my 196 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: kids that one day it's gone forever. I've had some 197 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: nightmares about it, and for probably a week I didn't sleep. 198 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: I was afraid that the house is can catch on fire, 199 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: and I kept reliving that taste and that smell, and 200 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: I really can't emphasize how terrible it was to keep 201 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: reliving and smelling that and tasting that, and seeing all 202 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: my friends and family kind of stand there. 203 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen or been near a house fire, so 204 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: I can only imagine the sensory trauma that comes with it. 205 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: The smell was I'll never forget that either. It was 206 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: a almost I don't recall it a sulfur, but it 207 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: was a pungent almost like you burnt sap. I guess 208 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm maybe I'm speaking out of term. Maybe people don't 209 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: know what that smells like. But if you get an 210 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: evergreen tree, you ever been up in the woods or 211 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: anything like that, and someone has a campfire, sometimes they'll 212 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: throw some pine needles on there when that SAP's burning, 213 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: and it actually burns the sap before and it sticks 214 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: in your nose. 215 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: It was one of many painful memories that Jared would 216 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: have to carry, and others were on their way. Jared 217 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: and Christy were young newlyweds, pregnant with twins, living in 218 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: a small town. When they're home burned to the ground. 219 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: It was a life changing tragedy for them and for 220 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: those closest to them. But even in this tragedy, there 221 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: was a silver lining. The immediate response to their situation 222 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: is an example of the best parts of this community 223 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: of small town life. Within twenty four hours of the fire, 224 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: GoFundMe accounts are set up by both Darcy and Molly, 225 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and the links to those accounts are being shared via 226 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: social media. Jared and Christy are also receiving Vemo payments 227 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: from people who wanted to help, and it wasn't just money. 228 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Within forty eight hours of the fire, six truckloads of 229 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: donations arrived at the Akron family farm. There were items 230 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: for the babies, items for Jared and Christy, even furniture 231 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: for their future home. Here's Jared's friends talking about the 232 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: community response. 233 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 7: Oh, it was amazing. Everybody was you know, he got 234 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 7: like thousands of dollars via GoFundMe. Venmo, I mean, people 235 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 7: were wanting to help in any way that they could. 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 7: They had they had setups for like diaper drops and 237 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 7: white drops and clothes and donations and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, 238 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 7: the community really was amazing. 239 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: Really back to them, Molly thought so too. It was amazing. 240 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, like just crazy how many people actually reached out 241 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 8: and like not only gave money, but like possessions of theirs. Honestly, 242 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 8: like he'd be lucky to be a part of this community. 243 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 9: Yeah, it was an outpouring. I mean it was unbelievable. 244 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 9: The money. The money, I mean, I don't know an 245 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 9: exact number, but I mean, you know, just me and 246 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 9: my partner alone gave him ten thousand dollars. It was 247 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 9: It was really neat to see the community come. 248 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: Together for Jared. He was beside himself with the support. 249 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: There's only one word that describes that, and it's overwhelming 250 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: love charity. I never realized how many people in the 251 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: community New Cared didn't know me or Christy and we're like, hey, 252 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: we want to help you. I hope one day that 253 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: I can have that impact on someone else. And it's 254 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: made me kind of open my eyes to caring about 255 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: what happens to people I don't know. Someone I went 256 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: to high school with set up a gofund me. I 257 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: didn't even know about it for a couple of days. 258 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: Looking there's a bunch of money in there, and I 259 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: had no idea. I think there was six grand in there, 260 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: and then there was some venmos. I couldn't even keep 261 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: track of it. It was astronomical what there was, every 262 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: bit of forty fifty dollars that were donated, including baby stuck. 263 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: It's like you went robbed a target or something of 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: all their baby stuff. I'm still going through it and 265 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: trying to give it to people in need. 266 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: And while Jared was overwhelmed by all the donations, both 267 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: monetary and material, when I asked him if there was 268 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: a particular donation that humbled him the most, his answer 269 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: was surprising. It wasn't the ten thousand dollars that his boss, 270 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: Henry and his partner gave. It was people's time. 271 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: Two days after the fire, I had fifteen guys at 272 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: the house helping me tear it down because I was 273 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: trying to buy another house, one of the manufactured home 274 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: It was in stock. I had to get down to 275 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: the foundation to measure it, have a guy come out check, 276 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: and had to make sure that joint was still good 277 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: in them. I mean having fifteen guys there all day long, 278 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: ordered pizza, we worked all night long. Yeah, because they 279 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: knew like I didn't have anywhere yet. I mean, it 280 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 2: was supposed to have a kid the next day. 281 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Christy was due to give birth the very next day 282 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: to the twins that she was not carrying, and the 283 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: night before she is supposed to give birth. Jared and 284 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Christie's house burns to the ground. The day after the fire, 285 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: Jared took Christi to the hospital to find out if 286 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: the scheduled sea section would happen or if the plan 287 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: was going to change due to the fire. Christy told 288 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: Jared that her doctor decided to push the date of 289 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: the delivery by a week. 290 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: December seventh. I took her to a doctor's appointment, writing 291 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: a drop her off sit on the side street. Make 292 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: the phone calls to the insurance companies. They were worried 293 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: about the stress from the fire and the smoke that 294 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: was in her lungs. They were worried about putting her under, 295 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: which I found out after they don't actually get put 296 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: on her for a sea section. Maybe that's my fault. 297 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: I didn't look at that further in depth. 298 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: The clock was ticking on Christie's lie, but the fire 299 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: and this follow up appointment with Jared again not allowed in, 300 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: has bought her another week to figure out exactly what 301 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: it is she's going to do next. But for Jared, 302 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: especially looking back, clouding that week of waiting was Christie's 303 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: demeanor and actions. 304 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: She was so excited to go through all these clothes 305 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: that people were giving. But now that I look back 306 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: on it, she was throwing out these clothes that were 307 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: I think it's three to six months. She was so 308 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: focused on these clothes and looking at her next things 309 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: were given her. I'll look at these shoes or look 310 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: at this necklace. I'm like me personally, I'm like, Okay, 311 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: we need a crib, we need car seats, we need 312 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: these things. That's what I'm worried about. Where she was 313 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: more mute to the community. Where I was in front 314 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: of them, Hey, thank you very much. She was in 315 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: the house. 316 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: And then the inevitable happened just a week later, when 317 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: the news began to spread that Christy was never pregnant, 318 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: and the community that was so quick to come together 319 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: to help a young couple in need turned on Jared completely. 320 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 9: And then all the shit hit the fandom, all the 321 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 9: wheels fell off, and everybody wanted their money back, and 322 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 9: it turned into a little bit of a shit show. 323 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 6: I mean, people just drug him through the mud, you know, 324 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 6: said nasty things about his character, said he was after money, 325 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 6: all these different things, and I just, you know, I 326 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 6: was like, you do not know Jared the way that 327 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 6: I know Jared, he would not do that. He had 328 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 6: genuinely no clue that these things are going to happen. 329 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 9: I would say it was fifty to fifty that people 330 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 9: treated him like he had just had a fire and 331 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 9: bad shit happened to him. 332 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 4: I mean it was all over social media. 333 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 6: There were go fund me a setup because like I said, 334 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 6: he had twins on the way she was due. I 335 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 6: don't know how close to it. 336 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: But it was very close. 337 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 6: And you know, all of us knew were sharing the 338 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 6: fund me, we were donating, and. 339 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 5: I felt bad afterwards because he got a lot of 340 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: meat on. 341 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 6: The advantage of like a small community when he genuinely 342 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 6: had no clue. 343 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 9: People that really didn't know. The whole story was there 344 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 9: were some assholes that we want our money back. He 345 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 9: tried to rip us off, and you know that kind 346 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 9: of crap, and you know Africa, And actually it was 347 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 9: a couple of people that I knew. I called him 348 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 9: and I told him what happened, and then they was like, well, 349 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 9: we just don't want her. 350 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: Having the money. 351 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 9: So after they I told him, I said, the guy's 352 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 9: house still burnt down. It wasn't like he was trying 353 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 9: to rip anybody off. I mean his house it burned down. 354 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: Jared has lived in this community for his entire life, 355 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: and up until now he had a stellar reputation, hard working, 356 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: trusting kind. That reputation was flipped upside down through no 357 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: fault of his own. 358 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: Oh, they were pissed. I mean it was like the 359 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: world was in it. They gave their harder money, these donations. 360 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: They went and bought things that they thought we would need. 361 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: And when you find out we were taking advantage of, 362 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: or what was presented from all the rumors that had 363 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: started it was, hey, they stole money. 364 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: The first rumor was that Jared was involved in the 365 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: attempted baby napping at the hospital. To be fair, his 366 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: photograph was up at all of the local hospitals as 367 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: a person to be on the lookout for as an 368 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: infant security risk. So potentially the BOLO and gossip around 369 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: the Bolo informed that rumor. 370 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: The first rumor was that I was involved. I knew 371 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: all about the fake pregnancy. I went along with it 372 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: and it was all over Facebook, and Molly had sent 373 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: them to me. So I started looking into like what's 374 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: reading and I get a call from one of the 375 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: friends that Molly had set up as Venmo through they 376 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: were neighbors there, and they're getting emails and requests. I 377 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: take on Venmo, Hey, I want my donation back. So 378 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, seriously, give it back. I don't want something 379 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: that they think that I'm involved in. I don't want this. 380 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: If they wanted that, I'm not here to make money. 381 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: My house burnt down. I don't care it right now, 382 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: I've nothing. My whole life just turned upside down in 383 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: the house burnt down. I'm not with my wife anymore, 384 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: and I don't have any children. 385 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Jared was willing to do everything he could do to 386 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: clear his name and make things right with the people 387 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: who donated, so at. 388 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: This point I'm furious, But at the same time, I 389 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: want these people to have their money back, their donations. 390 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to keep these things. And it was 391 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: such a tough thing to take in that the community 392 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: thought that I was a part of this. 393 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: But all of Jared's efforts to give them money back 394 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: had to be put on hold when he got a 395 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: call from the fire marshal. 396 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: Two days later, I get a call from the fire marshal. 397 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: He goes, hey, I hate to be the bear and 398 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: bad news but we've had multiple people call in here 399 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: and say that we think your wife, Christy set the 400 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: house on fire. Lou want to ask you some questions. 401 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: Rumors started. They were like, Okay, maybe he's not involved, 402 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: maybe she set the house on fire. 403 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: The fire Marshall had questions for Jared. Heck, we all 404 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: had questions. 405 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 8: So, like I've gone back and forth. My opinion is 406 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 8: I think she probably did, but I'm only questioning how 407 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 8: she got away with it, because like, you can't just 408 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 8: search on the internet how to start an inconclusive fire. 409 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 8: But then, like I kept thinking and like maybe her 410 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 8: plan was for both of them to die in the fire, 411 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 8: so like the babies would have just died, and then 412 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 8: like it just would have been a tragedy. But at 413 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 8: the same time, if I was letting my house on fire, 414 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 8: I think I would take something like I don't think 415 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 8: I could let it all burn. 416 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: Would you keep forward fires and cowboy moods in your suv? 417 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't neither unless I get to worch my house 418 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: and didn't want them to burn. 419 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 7: And I think to start the fire. 420 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Was like her escape. 421 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 9: Oh well, she had been suspected in Washington County here 422 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 9: of two other fires. 423 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 10: I think she's saying to the point where like if 424 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 10: that happened, if she did light that fire, something clicked 425 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 10: and she and she goes, I. 426 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 4: Gotta wake him up, or otherwise I'm gonna go to 427 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: jail for a long fun time. 428 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 7: This is it, We're done. I'm just gonna end it, right, 429 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 7: which is even harder to think about, like if she 430 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 7: would have actually went through with that. 431 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 9: She worked at a local farm and one of the 432 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 9: barns burnt down, and the fire investigator they had her 433 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 9: as one of the suspects, but they could never prove it. 434 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 7: I think she was planning on just ending it for 435 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 7: the both of them, just. 436 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: Trying to be done with life. Literally, I don't. 437 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 8: Want to say crazy, but you have to be pretty 438 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 8: mentally unstable for someone to just do that and burn 439 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 8: everything that they own and love and possibly die in 440 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 8: the process. 441 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 7: But I think once it got to an escalated point, 442 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 7: she was freaked out and fight her flight type thing. 443 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 7: But I do think she started with fire and was 444 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 7: trying to end it. 445 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: So many people from the community have their opinions on 446 00:23:52,880 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: the fire, it's overwhelmingly one sided. What about Jarrett, does 447 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: he think Christy was capable of doing this. I asked 448 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: Jared if he thought Christy started the fire, because we 449 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I asked him to present a case for 450 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: both sides, reasons he thinks she did do it, and 451 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: reasons he could come up with as to why she 452 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: did not. 453 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: I guess the first thing that comes to my mind 454 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: is that she she was due the next day. Maybe 455 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: there was some her plan wasn't thought out. She didn't 456 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: think it would go this far, and she needed some 457 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: time to earn an excuse to move the due date 458 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: so she could have some more time to plan, or 459 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: something like that. And a lot of it comes down 460 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: to that night. 461 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 8: It was weird. 462 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: She did wake me up off the couch the bedtime routine. 463 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: I would usually fall asleep on the couch. The reason 464 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: being is she was pregnant. She had a tough time sleeping. 465 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm a heavy sleeper, I snore. I set my alarm 466 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: there always set. 467 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: This had been their routine for months, Jared sleeping on 468 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: the couch and Christy in their bedroom, and I would. 469 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: Get up in the morning and I was before she 470 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: even woke up, so it was just easier. I didn't 471 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: wake her up. Rolling out of bed, fumbling around in 472 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: the dark. But she made it a point to wake 473 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: me up that night Yry, which she never does, to 474 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: come into bed. Now, the couch versus where the fire 475 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 2: had started was maybe only six foot apart. 476 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: The night of the fire, she tells him to get 477 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: off the couch and come to bed. He obliges her request. 478 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: It was it's like right there. I mean, it's six 479 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: feet from that door, whereas when I'm in a bedroom 480 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: there's a closed door. I can't hear what's going on. 481 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: It was just funky. 482 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: The spare room where the fire originated is only six 483 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: feet away from the couch on which she's been sleeping, 484 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: and it's in a living room, an open space in 485 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: the house. Their bedroom is in the back. It's the 486 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: room that is the furthest distance from the spare room 487 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: and the couch. Jared is now in that room with 488 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: the door shut. 489 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: So maybe she wanted to put me in a bedroom, 490 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: shut the door and I guess, and get me away 491 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: from that door so she could do something in there. 492 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: There are three very large coincidences on that evening. One 493 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: Jared had just finished the remodel on the house. Two 494 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: Christy was due the next day, and she asked him 495 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: to move to the bedroom, which she never usually does. 496 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: But there's one more thing. And anyone who's ever owned 497 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: an animal, let alone slept with their animal every night 498 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: like Jared did with Ada, will understand that this is 499 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: a pretty noticeable point that even though Jared told Christy 500 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: grab the dog and go outside when she woke him, 501 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Jared doesn't remember ever hearing his dog ate a bark 502 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: on that evening. 503 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: But then I also don't remember ever hearing the dog bark, 504 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: which that throws in for a carbball when you're When 505 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: an animal smells smoke anyhow, they're not gonna stick around. 506 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: They're going to bark, make noises, try to get out 507 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: of the house. I don't remember ever hearing Ada bark, ever, 508 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: clawing at the door, jumping on top of me, or 509 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: anything like that. 510 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: Where was Ada. I can't imagine a scenario where she 511 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: would have been in the house and not alerted Jared 512 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: and Christy to the fire. Jared said that when Christy 513 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: woke him up, his room was already filled with a gray, 514 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: smoky haze. So would Christy have woken up in the 515 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: same bed as her husband and realized there was a fire, 516 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: taken Ada outside and then come back in to wake 517 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: him up. Is that scenario likely at all? And if 518 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: she did take Ada outside, which accounts for Jared never 519 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 1: hearing her bark, when did she take her out? And 520 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: why there's another side to this coin because at the 521 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: end of the day, we just don't know. I asked 522 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: Jared if he could come up with reasons why he 523 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: thinks Christy did not start the fire. 524 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: She lost everything in the house that she had. There 525 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: was a complete loss. Nothing was saved. 526 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: That's a great point and one that Molly mentioned. But 527 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: that assumes if Christy started the fire, which I'm not 528 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: saying she did, that she started the fire in her 529 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: right mind. Is that what a rational person in their 530 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: best mind would think. Was there anything else? 531 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: The insurance back come out, They checked for accelerants, all 532 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: this stuff, and nothing was Ever it was closed as 533 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: an electrical fire, which there was some old wiring in 534 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: there that was kind of jerry rigged, which very well 535 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: could have been the cause of it. And that's what 536 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: it was determined, was it was an electrical fire that 537 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: burnt the house. 538 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: Now the fire chief had his own theories. They are 539 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: very experience and expertise, Do you believe that the source 540 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: of the fire is faulty electrical? 541 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 5: I will say though it was burnt in such a 542 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 5: way so far that the investigators really couldn't get in 543 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 5: to make a real good determination due to some of 544 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 5: the circumstances surrounding that fire that he really. 545 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 4: Asked to question. 546 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: Jared never knew of his wife's suspected arson activity until 547 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: he was approached by the fire marshal. 548 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the fact that there's 549 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: been multiple fires she's been involved in before, not involved, 550 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: but she was around them, that there was a couple 551 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: of things that were caught on fire and nothing was 552 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: ever proven. It really makes you think, like, hey, do 553 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: I really know who I'm married to. 554 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: Jared's father, David, was convinced that there were no babies 555 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: by this time. 556 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: I'm convinced there's no babies, but I can't be one 557 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 558 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: Sure or anything in that like that. 559 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: But in my mind, I'm like, I don't think. 560 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: There was any of my wife's calls and says her 561 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: mother and stepdad want to want to talk about it, Well, 562 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: I had just about enough talk, you know. By then, 563 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: I've got a lot of doubts in my mind. 564 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: So they're sitting there. Finally said that she's done this. 565 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: Before, and I said, what nobody said anything, you know? 566 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: And I'm sure more people knew, but they'd never mentioned anything, 567 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: never pulled us aside before the wedding, any of that 568 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. 569 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: David is upset here reliving the memory, and rightfully so. 570 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: But I asked him about what he meant when he 571 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: said Sheila and her husband told them that Christie's done 572 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: this before on a different occasion with the previous boyfriend. 573 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: Christie told her mom she was pregnant, but for whatever reason, 574 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: Sheila didn't believe her, and she hired a private investigator 575 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: to follow Christy to see if she would learn the truth. 576 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: The private investigator followed Christy to the hospital and watched 577 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Christy as she parked in the hospital parking lot. Christy 578 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: called her mother from the parking lot and told her 579 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: she was in the er having a DNC because she 580 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: had just miscarried that child. The private investigator told Sheila 581 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: that Christy, well technically at the High hospital, never got 582 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: out of her car. Here's Sarah, And that was the. 583 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 7: One other thing why I questioned it too, is because 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 7: the previous relationship, she said she was pregnant and he 585 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 7: either he proposed or said he didn't want to get 586 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 7: married until the baby was here, and then she. 587 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: Said she had a messcaret Yet another reason why Sarah 588 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: was suspicious of Christy and Jared's pregnancy that Christie herself, 589 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: not Sheila, who Sarah doesn't even know, told her somewhat 590 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: in passing that she was engaged and pregnant before and 591 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: they were going to marry, but they didn't because she 592 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: lost that child. I don't know the specifics of what 593 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: made Christy tell Sarah that information. Chock it up to 594 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: female bonding. Oh you're pregnant, I've been pregnant too. I 595 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: can only guess that she wasn't trying to plant a 596 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: seed of suspicion in Sarah, which is what happened. Nor 597 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: did she ever anticipate that Sheila would have cause to 598 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: have the conversation she had with Jared's father. Jared learned 599 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon that Christy was never pregnant, and he 600 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: decides that he has no other option but to keep 601 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: his knowledge a secret for two reasons. First, he was 602 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: very concerned about the money from the donations that they 603 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: had put in the bank. It was his intention to 604 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: get that money out of the bank and return it 605 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: back to anyone who was upset about their donation once 606 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: they discovered the truth about Christie's pregnancy. Second, he wanted 607 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: out of his marriage to Christy, and he needed to 608 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: find a lawyer who practiced family law. This is where 609 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: Melissa will enter the picture. But it's the weekend and 610 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: he can't do either one of those things. That Saturday 611 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: night and the following Sunday we're going to be the 612 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: longest thirty six hours of Jared's entire life. 613 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: I knew I had to make it through the weekend 614 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: without her finding out that I knew everything that was 615 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: a lie. I mean, it was a little tough. It 616 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: was almost unsurreal. I mean the feelings of, hey, I know, 617 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: I have to be a better actor and liar than 618 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: she was to make sure I could end up making 619 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: it to the lawyers and to the bank in time. 620 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: Not only was Jared going to have to keep this 621 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: light up until Monday, he was going to have to 622 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: hide some fear because when he was cleaning up the 623 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: debris from the fire, he noticed that something was missing. 624 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: At this point I'm feeling a little uneasy, and the 625 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 2: reason being is I'm still missing a firearms. I'm thinking 626 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: back into I open my safe, I count all my firearms, 627 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: and I realize one's missing. After the fire, when all 628 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: the smoldering goes down, I go and count my firearms 629 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: because I have to call the state police and say, hey, 630 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: here's serial numbers of the registered guns that I have 631 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: that are lost. It was just a blackened mess. There 632 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: was no wood, no stalks, nothing like that. It was 633 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: gun barrels just melted. There was one pistol missing. It 634 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: has no safety. It's thirteen shells and if you hold 635 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: a trigger, it's going off. So in the back of 636 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: my mind, I'm thinking, hey, is there possibility that she 637 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: has it in my life could be in danger? 638 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: Next time on the Unborn, I say, yes. 639 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: I think my account's been jeopardized. Come up to my office. 640 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: We need to go over to the courthouse. 641 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: And I'm going to try to resolve this for him 642 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: with at least amount of pain possible. 643 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: And then I guess that's where our friendship began. There 644 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: are sometimes where I was like, what is happening? 645 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 9: This bitch is. 646 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: Crazy, because I mean that that gun is still missing. 647 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: That's next time on The Unborn. The Unborn is a 648 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcasts, Audio Up and Jess We Pressed Productions. 649 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 11: Created by trishla Fotch and Frank Rodriguez. Mal produced by Alvin. 650 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: Cohen and Rachel Foley. 651 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 11: Executive produced by Jimmy Jellinek, David Dwaits and Jared Gusta. 652 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 11: Edited by Gerard Hower and Preston Dawson. Sound design and 653 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 11: mixing by Jeremiah Zimmerman.