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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Steelers Nation, and welcome back once again to

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Speaker 2: the beautiful backyard at the UPC Rooney Sports Complex for

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Speaker 2: another day of Many Camp coverage here on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: That's Matt Williamson that you hear. I'm wesh Yuler.

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Speaker 2: It is another special edition of the Drive here on

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Speaker 2: the final day of Many Camp. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun stuff planned. A little different schedule here today. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which will which will quiet out here for it's you

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Speaker 2: won't hear the normal music and horn that you're typically

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Speaker 2: here at this point, some of the scuttle button, the

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Speaker 2: shuffling around us because today different schedule, won't have the

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Speaker 2: morning walkthrough and there will be just a I mean

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Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff that they're doing behind the

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Speaker 2: doors right now in terms of meetings and all that.

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Speaker 2: But one practice today at noon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just went and looked at the board and

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Speaker 4: they they had breakfast. There was an optional chapel service

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Speaker 4: if they wanted to. As we're speaking now, it's ten o'clock. There,

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Speaker 4: they had different meetings at team meeting, position group meetings,

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Speaker 4: special teams meetings, all that kind of stuff. Instead of

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Speaker 4: walking through and instead of a one o'clock start for

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Speaker 4: practice practice, it's going to be noon today, so we'll

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Speaker 4: actually see our last hour. They'll be doing stuff, you know,

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Speaker 4: real practice stuff. So get them out of here a

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Speaker 4: little earlier too. Some of these guys have flights and yeah,

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Speaker 4: no doubt, all the guests we've had and you've been

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Speaker 4: a part of this too. That was only the first

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Speaker 4: two weeks, but we were always asking them, you know,

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Speaker 4: what's your plans these six weeks instead of camp, and

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Speaker 4: some of them we're excited to get out of here,

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Speaker 4: and it's it's kind of a nice thing to do,

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Speaker 4: is you know, give them a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit of a break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think some of that too

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Speaker 2: may be designed to look a little bit more like

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Speaker 2: a game day here today, you know, with the team breakfast,

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Speaker 2: with the with the chat services.

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Speaker 3: That are available, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's what in meetings, that's what they do

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Speaker 2: at the hotels on game days before the game is

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Speaker 2: meals together, meetings together, church services, chapel services, all that

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Speaker 2: different kind of stuff that is available. And yeah, final

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Speaker 2: day here, there is definitely a handful of guys in

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Speaker 2: there that have flights out of here tonight. Maybe sure,

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Speaker 2: maybe early tomorrow morning. I'm sure some of those guys,

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Speaker 2: maybe Jones and to get over to the US Open

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 5: Two, maybe they'll wait till Monday and you watch.

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Speaker 2: Them golf, which of course just got underway, what probably

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Speaker 2: about two two and a half hours ago, just a

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Speaker 2: few miles down the road, the first day of the

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty fifth US Open over out Open Mont.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cool how it ends up being a like a

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Speaker 2: not a round number, but you know, mental kind of number. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty cool, one hundred and twenty fifth US Open. It'll

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Speaker 2: be back here for like the one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: eighth and then the one hundred and forty something.

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Speaker 3: That's well to already on the calendar.

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Speaker 2: They come twelve years, every every eleven twelve thirteen years

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Speaker 2: in that range. I think this is the tenth time

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Speaker 2: that the US Open has been at o come on.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, certainly, man a lot of moving and shaking

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Speaker 2: here in western Pennsylvania as it relates to the sports calendar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned yesterday, New Penn's coach, I mean Buco

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Speaker 3: Wells won again last night, yep.

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Speaker 2: I think they won five of their last six now

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Speaker 2: like nine of their last fourteen something like that.

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Speaker 5: Looks like McCutcheon had some kind of.

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Speaker 2: McCutcheon past past Roberto Clemente for for for most home

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Speaker 2: for I think he's now second or third in terms

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Speaker 2: of most third thanks to Justin our producer h for

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Speaker 2: for home runs in franchise history, which is obviously a

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Speaker 2: big any time you're doing something in the same breath

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Speaker 2: as Roberto cle that's a pretty good company to keep.

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Speaker 3: And everything going on here, of course.

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Speaker 2: With the final things have any camps I mean sks

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Speaker 2: TJ McConnell, you know, Western Pennsylvania's finest basketball exporty he

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Speaker 2: had I think ten points five and five last night

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Speaker 2: and very efficient fifteen minutes of play from him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they spent a fair amount of time talking

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Speaker 2: They showed his dad on the broadcast a cool time

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Speaker 2: a couple of times, which was which was very cool

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Speaker 2: and yeah, so were ready for this transition. It was

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Speaker 2: an efficient game from TJ McConnell last night, right, and

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Speaker 2: just In just fifteen minutes he had ten points, five rebounds,

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Speaker 2: five assists. That's what you want in just fifteen minutes

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Speaker 2: off the bench. That's production, that's efficiency. We talked about

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Speaker 2: that a little bit yesterday with the Steelers offense, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: run game efficiency, red zone efficiency, even small incremental but

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Speaker 2: still marked improvements. What that can mean over the course

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Speaker 2: of a seventeen game season.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Can we kind of spin the block around the other

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Speaker 2: direction here today? Yeah, and talk about what would that

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Speaker 2: look like for the Steelers defense?

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Speaker 3: For you?

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Speaker 4: So again, I mean, if you didn't listen yesterday, we'll

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Speaker 4: shame on you for six weeks, of course, but you

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Speaker 4: kind of started a segment by saying, Hey, do you

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Speaker 4: have any like overriding offseason offensive goals? And I just

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Speaker 4: so happened that I did, and it was real quick.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to You can't beat the bottom of the

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Speaker 4: league in yards per carry. Now, I'm not saying you

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Speaker 4: need to be at the top. You can't beat the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: They were not at the bottom of the league in

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Speaker 4: sacks defensives. Now when we go to defense, but I

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Speaker 4: think you need my goals there higher.

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Speaker 5: You need to lead the league.

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Speaker 4: You need to be in the top two, you know,

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Speaker 4: like with the defensive front that you have, and now

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Speaker 5: Two draft picks.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't counting why you're black, because I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you look at him as a pass rusher.

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Speaker 5: But I was talking about.

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Speaker 4: Sawyer and Harmon that you're even more reinforced with young, talented,

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Speaker 4: productive players coming out of college. You need to get

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Speaker 4: back to I mean, they went for five years in

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Speaker 4: a row leading the league.

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Speaker 2: In second Yes, with a lot of different personnel and

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Speaker 2: a lot of different ways of accomplishing that team.

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Speaker 3: It started with Mike Hilton defence Williams, you know, fun.

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Speaker 5: He brought that up because I think that's been something

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not Blitzberg anymore, and I think some

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Speaker 4: of it is starts with coverage. I'm not worried about

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Speaker 4: that you need to punish quarterbacks, I mean, and be

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Speaker 4: aggressive and light things up more. With blitz very coverages

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Speaker 4: more and I definitely think we're gonna see varied coverages

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Speaker 4: and we can talk about that. There's a side note

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Speaker 4: as well, make make quarterbacks pat the ball win more

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Speaker 4: one on one and not even win more one on

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Speaker 4: one matchups. Because they win a lot of one on

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Speaker 4: one matchups, they get a lot of pressures. And I

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Speaker 4: understand that the ball has come out very quick against

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Speaker 4: the Steelers, but then I need a lot of hits,

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean, if you're gonna put if you're

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Speaker 4: playoffs and want to compete with those guys, you need

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Speaker 4: to hurt them. I mean, maybe they don't finish every

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Speaker 4: make it Monday not a fun day for those guys,

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Speaker 4: more so than any team in the league. And again

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's an unrealistic you know, expectation with

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Speaker 4: in sacks, pressures, quarterback hits because I think they're very,

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Speaker 4: very capable. I think the swapping out we mentioned this before,

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Speaker 4: swapping out Jackson for Sleigh is a good start because

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Speaker 4: I think that allows you to play more pressman.

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Speaker 3: Having to hold the ball more.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I think you'll see more quarters coverage, more covered

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Speaker 4: to more variety of coverages. Now they're three deep at

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Speaker 4: think you'll see more differing personnel groupings. And you brought

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Speaker 4: it up, you know, like they haven't gotten a lot

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Speaker 4: I don't see a slot corner that blitz is like Hilton.

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Speaker 5: But Queen is a.

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Speaker 4: Very accomplished pass rusher Wilson was in college. You know,

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Speaker 4: like those guys could be blitzed more, certainly, could bring

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Speaker 4: they can get home with four if their coverage holds

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Speaker 4: think that's in unrealistic expectations, like going from four to

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Speaker 4: massive ramification. Last note on this is I think a

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Speaker 4: lot of our listeners understand sacks are very important for

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Speaker 4: killing drives, whether you're on offense or defense. But when

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Speaker 4: you really dig into like EPA and these really advanced metrics,

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Speaker 4: they have come the conclusions that sacks are even more

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Speaker 4: important than you think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like turnovers are, which still the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: Which is wild because I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: think need pass happy NFL now sacks mean less than

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Speaker 2: ever before, right because Okay, Joe Burrow can get you

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Speaker 2: out of a third and thirteen better than you know,

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Speaker 2: just about any time period quarterback could in this league. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But as you say, when you look at the underlying numbers,

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Speaker 2: the analytics, it tells a different story.

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Speaker 4: It really really does, and what ends up in wins

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Speaker 4: and winning drives and successful drives. I mean they're massive

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Speaker 4: drive killers. They can result in fumbles. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 4: quarterback hits is not what you want for your team.

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Speaker 4: And the Steelers we talked about this heavy yesterday too,

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Speaker 4: spinning off the yards for Kerry Deal. Steelers quarterbacks, not

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Speaker 4: their protection, took too many sacks last year and that

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Speaker 4: hurt drives quite a bit, and I don't think the defense,

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Speaker 4: despite playing well for most of the year and creating

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Speaker 4: turnovers and having a lot of havoc, but they didn't

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Speaker 4: create enough sacks for where they are in terms of players,

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Speaker 4: you know, let alone investments, you know in first round

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Speaker 4: picks and big contracts and what's about to get another

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Speaker 4: So you need to be the top of the league

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Speaker 4: and hits in sacks and pressures, and I expect them

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Speaker 4: to be they should be.

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Speaker 2: I think you are absolutely spot on. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a really good place to kind of start this show

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Speaker 4: I mean real quick, Wes, I mean like it's easy,

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Speaker 4: that's the end goal. The people behind us have to

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Speaker 4: figure out how you get there, how you get there

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Speaker 4: So I definitely recognized that, and that was something I

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Speaker 3: You know, will continue to right right right, and.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So they definitely recognize this situation and have done

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Williams onus hashtag get more sacks.

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Speaker 5: Get more sacks, more yards per carry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, feeling a lot better go text on that'd be great.

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Speaker 5: As today's hopping.

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Speaker 2: It's another hot, one nice day out here. The backyard

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Speaker 5: Calm here today.

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Speaker 6: We should be back full swing.

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Speaker 4: So you're more the like you said, the architect of

442
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Speaker 4: the drive. I assume we'll be Monday, Wednesday, Friday next week.

443
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Speaker 4: I think we're three days a week till.

444
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Speaker 6: Three days a week until training cam starts. Yeah, and

445
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Speaker 6: then it's full steam ahead.

446
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Speaker 5: Every day they practice will be on like crazy absolutely camp. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 5: can't wait, can't wait.

448
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Speaker 2: We will have our full gambit of coverage out in

449
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Speaker 2: the trobe like we always do from dusk to dawn

450
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Speaker 2: for the most part, every single day that there's stuff

451
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Speaker 2: beyond and beyond exactly right, whether it's you know, whether

452
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Speaker 2: it's the afternoon, whether it's Friday night lights, all that

453
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Speaker 2: good stuff that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

455
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Speaker 5: Still, then we go to Sharkis and talk about football.

456
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Speaker 2: Then we go Sharkis to talk about football or argue

457
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Speaker 2: about music, you know, whichever whichever one of those things

458
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Speaker 2: gets up on the docket there. First, Dale, we're talking

459
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Speaker 2: a little bit about the defense here to start the

460
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Speaker 2: show today. Like we had a conversation yesterday about marked

461
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Speaker 2: areas of improvement for the offense. You know, how you'd

462
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Speaker 2: like to see the run game up their average yards

463
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Speaker 2: per carry, How we'd like to see them be a

464
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Speaker 2: little more.

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Speaker 3: Efficient in the red zone.

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Speaker 2: And you know how over the course of a seventeen

467
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Speaker 2: game season those things can make a huge difference. I asked,

468
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Speaker 2: fewer sacks taken, and it was something that we discussed

469
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Speaker 2: as well too, and so we kind of started this

470
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Speaker 2: hour today having a similar conversation just on the defensive

471
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Speaker 2: side of the football, and sacks was what Matt brought

472
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Speaker 2: up as where he would like to see marked improvement

473
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Speaker 2: from this Steelers defense this year. Forty of those last

474
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Speaker 2: year Dale, which tied them for sixteenth in the league,

475
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Speaker 2: right right in the middle of the pack average, but

476
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Speaker 2: with just six more they would have been sixth, right

477
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Speaker 2: the precipice.

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Speaker 6: Of the time conversation. And here's something that goes hand

479
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Speaker 6: in hand with that, the run defense.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's a good third and four.

481
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Speaker 6: Much different than third and six or seven, and that

482
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Speaker 6: leads to the sacks. So the run defense has to

483
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Speaker 6: be better.

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Speaker 3: More wins on first and second.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, And you probably heard I mentioned it.

486
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Speaker 4: You know, over Watt's career, you and I have talked

487
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Speaker 4: about this thousand times too. It'd be nice to have

488
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Speaker 4: a lead late in Yes, absolutely, dealer nation behind you.

489
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Speaker 4: That type of thing which stopping the run. All this

490
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Speaker 4: stuff goes hand in hand. I mean, if you could

491
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Speaker 4: get your run, if you're better in the red zone,

492
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Speaker 4: you take fewer sacks. If you run, you run the

493
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Speaker 4: ball more efficiently. If your run defense has more third longs, well,

494
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Speaker 4: then you're gonna be leading the leading in games more too.

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Speaker 6: Well conversely as well, if your offense challenges the opposing

496
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Speaker 6: offense more. Yeah, two years ago, seventeen point nine points

497
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Speaker 6: a game not good enough. Last year was twenty two

498
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Speaker 6: and a half. If you can get that to twenty four, Yeah,

499
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Speaker 6: twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a ton. It's

501
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Speaker 5: a ton. That's a ton.

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Speaker 6: It just puts more pressure on the opposing offense to say, hey,

503
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Speaker 6: we're gonna score a little bit here, no doubt. You know,

504
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Speaker 6: we can't just keep running and running and running.

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Speaker 5: So and all.

506
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Speaker 4: Again, it's such a complimentary game. It's you know, in

507
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Speaker 4: another aspect of it that all would go hand in

508
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Speaker 4: hand is time of possession. I mean they would never

509
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Speaker 4: admit it, but as a seat during the losing streak

510
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Speaker 4: to finish the season, the defense looked pretty warned down. Yeah,

511
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Speaker 4: definitely know they're out there too much.

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Speaker 5: That Eagles game. I think they were out there for

513
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Speaker 5: like forty minutes from what I remember. Yeah, and at

514
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Speaker 5: the end of the year or two at the end

515
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Speaker 5: of the year.

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Speaker 3: I mean they were out there almost the entire third quarter, right,

517
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Speaker 3: and it was.

518
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Speaker 5: It's not an accident. And now all of a sudden,

519
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Speaker 5: the d line looks super deep.

520
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Speaker 4: You know, if you can pull these guys off the

521
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Speaker 4: practice squad, like they recognize that stuff, you draft two

522
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Speaker 4: of them. You know that the big guys are out

523
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Speaker 4: there way too much because really, before the losing streak,

524
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Speaker 4: they were like one of the best time possession teams

525
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Speaker 4: in the league, right, you know, and then that one

526
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Speaker 4: really fell off that and you're just asking too much.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: And again, like when you are a football team that

529
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Speaker 2: is predicated upon what the Steelers are predicated on, right,

530
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Speaker 2: running the football, winning the turnover battle, getting after quarterbacks

531
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Speaker 2: like that entire ECO system.

532
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Speaker 3: Better you better, you better not be league average at

533
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Speaker 3: those things. Yeah, but you you know, it is one

534
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Speaker 3: of those and.

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Speaker 5: We made good points last time too.

536
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Speaker 4: But you know, they they did force fumbles, they did

537
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Speaker 4: create turnovers, they swatted down passes.

538
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Speaker 5: Their kicker doesn't miss kids.

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Speaker 4: You know, like there's some other periphery things that they

540
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Speaker 4: are really really good at.

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Speaker 3: That got you out of a lot of stadiums this year.

542
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Speaker 4: And I don't only get too excited, but I am

543
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: fanboying Aaron Rodgers a little lately. And he's, you know,

544
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Speaker 4: the way he's throwing the football around the last couple

545
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Speaker 4: of days, like this guy might.

546
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Speaker 5: Still have a humping that that just jump out of his hands.

547
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Speaker 5: It's so different.

548
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Speaker 4: But you still don't have Burrow, Allen Lamar or Mahomes,

549
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Speaker 4: you know, and you're you're not going to have a

550
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Speaker 4: quarterback advantage against those four teams.

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Speaker 5: And do you have to be great at the other stuff?

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Speaker 3: Right?

553
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Speaker 2: You have to be to get really get where you

554
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Speaker 2: want to be. You have a lot of it's in place.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is in place. You know, you

556
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Speaker 2: have the personnel. You've done these things recently, you know,

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Speaker 2: And and it I think, as you mentioned, there's a

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Speaker 2: history of it recently five years, ten years, twenty years,

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Speaker 2: right with the Steelers organization.

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Speaker 5: In five years in Roadale, they led the league in sacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it was five.

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Speaker 6: Nobody else's had ever done two, right, they did five?

563
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Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, that's great.

564
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Speaker 2: And then like, when you talk about the last five years,

565
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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons have had the least amount of sacks

566
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. The last ten years, the Atlanta Falcons.

567
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Speaker 2: In the last twenty years, the Atlanta Falcons have had.

568
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Speaker 3: How does that happen?

569
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Speaker 5: It's insane.

570
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Speaker 4: And therefore they drafted two edge rushers this year. But

571
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Speaker 4: it feels like they do it.

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Speaker 2: It's like every couple of years they go all in

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Speaker 2: on some edge rushers.

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Speaker 4: I definitely think that it's kind of like, why is

575
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Speaker 4: the Bears never had a quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's it's not you, it's me and you guys.

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Speaker 6: I'm watching this team over the last couple of weeks,

578
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Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, where are the holes? Yeah you know,

579
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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, there's some depth is.

580
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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, you're there some depth stuff?

581
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Speaker 6: But who doesn't have that?

582
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, you know.

583
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Speaker 6: I'm looking at this team and what they got. Good

584
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Speaker 6: running backs, the receivers, I think.

585
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Speaker 5: Any other pass another one, but I bet that's coming,

586
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: it's coming. Yeah.

587
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Speaker 6: Your offensive line, the starters should be good.

588
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Speaker 3: Yep, now you'd better be. They better be good.

589
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Speaker 6: Right now, you've had it. An upgraded quarterback. The defense

590
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Speaker 6: you know, should be.

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Speaker 3: Should be one of the better units.

592
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Speaker 4: Yeah, with all respect to the guys last year, in

593
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years you met, you might you

594
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Speaker 4: might have upgraded big quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, you might have like two tiers.

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Speaker 6: I mean think think about what you put out there

597
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Speaker 6: two years ago, three years ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, ye.

599
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Speaker 6: Had twenty five combined touchdown passes. Yeah, two years two

600
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Speaker 6: years at the same Yes, it's an upgrade.

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Speaker 3: It's an upgrade totally.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was what twenty eight last year I

603
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Speaker 2: think for Aaron Rodgers, right, and that was coming off

604
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Speaker 2: of major achilles injury, with a whole lot of changes

605
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Speaker 2: at coordinators and coach and all of that stuff as

606
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Speaker 2: well too. Uh yeah, I'm with you, Dale. I mean,

607
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's depth concerns. It's certain as certain places,

608
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 2: like I know Matt has talked a lot about how

609
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Speaker 2: you'd you'd like to have the luxury of feeling like

610
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Speaker 2: you had a few more pieces on the offensive line

611
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: this time like you did last year. You know, another

612
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, which we all think is is going to

613
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Speaker 2: happen here eventually.

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Speaker 3: Maybe another Like on defense, people keeps.

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Speaker 6: I keep hearing, well, they're just doing the same thing.

616
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Speaker 6: Over and over again.

617
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Speaker 4: Those people arent paid attentions right right, quarterback, right, what

618
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Speaker 4: are we talking about.

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Speaker 5: An entirely new quarterback room and ten stars, ten new starters. Yeah,

620
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Speaker 5: they're not doing the same things over and over.

621
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Speaker 3: That's not at all.

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Speaker 2: It's that is that is certainly significant when you when

623
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Speaker 2: you lay it out like that, and yeah, that listen.

624
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Speaker 2: I think to how we've just talked about all these

625
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: things that work in concert together on both sides of

626
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: the football going leveling up a tier or two, and

627
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: quarterback play is probably the number one kind of trickle

628
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Speaker 2: down economics thing you can have for everybody else.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And these coaches.

630
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Speaker 4: Like Tomlin, like Harbaugh, who Harbaugh was a special teams coach,

631
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Speaker 4: I mean like they very much. Belichick's the master of it.

632
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: These guys that are like Hall of Fame type coaches,

633
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 4: they so well understand how offense, compliments, defense, and special

634
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: teams sprinkled in absolutely, And I mean the guys here

635
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 4: are very aware of. But it's not a first time

636
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Speaker 4: head coach that doesn't realize that if you know, the

637
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 4: trickle down effect of getting your yards per carry up

638
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: a little could lead to mor sacks. They would think

639
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: it would but I mean it absolutely could you know, yea,

640
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: all this stuff compliments one another. And of course, like

641
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: every team, over the course of the seventeen regular season games,

642
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 4: some of your strengths are going to become weakness now,

643
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: or this guy's gonna get hurt, or I gotta adapt

644
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: on the fly.

645
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Speaker 2: But it's a teams they are attacking you differently in

646
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Speaker 2: week twelve than they are Week two.

647
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Speaker 5: But coaches that have been around the block, no, that's

648
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Speaker 5: coming too, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right right, No, that.

650
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Speaker 2: It's a fun type of conversations I think to have

651
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: this time of year, the bigger picture stuff in that regard, Matt.

652
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Speaker 2: When we sat down today, you also mentioned and I

653
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: kind of said, there maybe another piece to the secondary.

654
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Speaker 2: Are there any names out there that you're interested in

655
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Speaker 2: at this point or would at least maybe hope they're

656
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: having some conversations and kicking the tires on.

657
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Speaker 4: I mean, Dale and I don't speculate on rumors things

658
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Speaker 4: like that, but I've been over the last twenty four hours,

659
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Speaker 4: I've been asked a million times on Twitter or any

660
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: legitimacy to this jarr Alexander or Jalen Ramsey rumors.

661
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Speaker 3: And some big names.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, I've mentioned Ramsey's name for three months.

663
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Speaker 3: You know you're a fan.

664
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Speaker 5: I love him.

665
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think because he's he ate what he

666
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: used to be and he's not Revis Island and those

667
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: corners don't exist anymore. But he is an extreme power

668
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: slot that could have a Rod Woodson move the safety eventually.

669
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Speaker 4: He's a phenomenal talent. I don't know the there's any.

670
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Speaker 5: It's probably unrelastic though. It's probably because you're.

671
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Speaker 6: Gonna have to trade for him and take on that contract. Right,

672
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 6: It's just not gonna happen, right.

673
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Speaker 3: If you got cut, it'd be a completely.

674
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Speaker 4: Different Yeah, it'd be a twenty one million dollar cap hit.

675
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Speaker 4: He interests me more than Alexander. Alexander has been in

676
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: and out to line up a lot. He did play

677
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Speaker 4: with Rogers a.

678
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: Little bit Green Bay. He's still really, really good.

679
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: And Frankly, I say this a lot like I'm getting greedy,

680
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, You're getting greed you know,

681
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: like these are big time Pro Bowl type guys at

682
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: their best day.

683
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Speaker 5: Can you get them at the right deal, in the

684
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Speaker 5: right situation.

685
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Speaker 4: Of course I'm interested, but I'm getting greek, you know,

686
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Speaker 4: I mean there's I think.

687
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Speaker 6: The bigger the bigger issue those he's getting another pass catcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

688
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 6: I mean that's completely agree Yeah, I mean that would

689
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Speaker 6: be a luxury.

690
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Speaker 5: That would be a luxury.

691
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting greedy.

692
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Speaker 4: Yeah, these defensive back things don't have to happen, right,

693
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: Grass catcher to me, probably has to happen.

694
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Right. I think I'm with you on that.

695
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: But I also trust this team to juggle money around

696
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: if need be, and a WAT extension could open up

697
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: a lot of money. I mean, and I'm not saying

698
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: the cap doesn't matter. I just know they have a

699
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: lot of flexibility and the guy in the general man.

700
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Speaker 2: The guy who's pulling the strings, knows what he's doing

701
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: in that regard certainly, and important to note too, like

702
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: like we have throughout this these three weeks, there will

703
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: be names that we aren't even on our radar that

704
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: you know when you get to camp and August, well,

705
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: you know Joe Hayne a great example of that, certainly,

706
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: And so yeah, obviously a tip years.

707
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: Ago they grab Kawan, Alexander and Camp. I mean there's

708
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: always those guys.

709
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: Didn't they did they charge for Vance McDonald during training

710
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: camp as well to.

711
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 6: Dale I don't remember the time they want, I don't

712
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: remember that one in terms of the time.

713
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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, but yeah, obviously still a lot of opportunity

714
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: to round out this roster. Gentlemen, let's take a break here,

715
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: will kind of continue or maybe put a bow on

716
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Speaker 2: some of this defensive conversation. On the other side, we've

717
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: also got some audio from defensive coordinator Terrell Austin that

718
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Speaker 2: we're going to play as well. To play to get

719
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Speaker 2: to an hour number one on the final day of

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Speaker 2: Mini camp coverage, Wes Schuler, Dale Lolly, Matt Williamson here

721
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Speaker 2: for a special edition of the Drive at the upmc

722
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Speaker 2: rooney Sports Complex on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

723
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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

725
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

726
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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

727
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Speaker 2: Final day Here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex for

728
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Speaker 2: our Mini Camp coverage. In these special editions of the Drive,

729
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Speaker 2: West Schuler here with the l Capitan's Dale Lolly and

730
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Speaker 2: Matt Williams.

731
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Speaker 6: Cheating on me for two.

732
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: Eh I have two weeks. A little guilty about it.

733
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 5: I'm like to go to sleep night.

734
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Speaker 3: They'll tell notes that I've been doing this.

735
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Speaker 5: I mean, I won't tell you.

736
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Speaker 2: A lot of defensive conversation here in the first hour,

737
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: and that will continue. But the the architect of this

738
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Steelers defense, Tarrell Austin, defensive coordinator, spoke after yesterday's practice

739
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Speaker 2: or was it before yesterday's.

740
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 5: Practice before Monday Tuesday?

741
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Arrell Austin, Uh, speaking to the media and

742
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, kind of setting the stage for this upcoming

743
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: season and then and what they're working on and what

744
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: their expectations are here is what t a had to say.

745
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: They not have a lot here.

746
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 6: Earlier year.

747
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 7: No, now we're gonna keep preparing and moving ahead.

748
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 8: You know, we expect him back at some point and uh,

749
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 8: he'll get caught up as fast. He'll be in great

750
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 8: shape like he always is, so no worries. It's I

751
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 8: think it's actually a great opportunity for young guys to

752
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 8: get more reps and see what they can do and

753
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 8: good on good competition.

754
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 7: Who you interested in seeing most of and which, uh

755
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 7: all of them?

756
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 8: I want to see all these young guys you have,

757
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 8: We're gonna make sure they get plenty of reps because

758
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 8: you know, we're not gonna overdo Cam in this time

759
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 8: of year. Uh, so you'll see a lot of Derek,

760
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 8: a lot of Yah, you'll see a.

761
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 7: Lot of Jack.

762
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Speaker 8: And so it's gonna be I think it's gonna be

763
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 8: a good offseason. It's been a good offseason so far. Uh,

764
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 8: but it's it's gonna be good. It's been really good

765
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 8: to get those guys a lot of reps.

766
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 7: Are you still talking with TJ? Or staying in Preston

767
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 7: and you know he's not physically here, Yeah, we always do.

768
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 8: But I mean, like, you know, he's handling his business,

769
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 8: he's doing his thing and and uh you know we've

770
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 8: we've touched base a few times this summer. But it's

771
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 8: never about it's not about the football stuff. I'm just

772
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 8: seeing how he's doing, how his family's doing, new baby,

773
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 8: all that good stuff.

774
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 7: So you know when TJ shows up, he'll be ready

775
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 7: to go.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about your new quarterback and you

777
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: game playing against some recent.

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Speaker 7: LEAs there, Uh huh what kind of quarterback is? Uh?

779
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 8: Well, he's he's pain in the ass because uh he

780
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 8: can get rid of the ball quickly if you're if

781
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 8: you're bringing pressure, uh he knows if you're not bringing

782
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 8: pressure that he can hold it and he can wait

783
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 8: for some things to develop.

784
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 7: Uh, really sharp.

785
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 8: I remember, you know, going against him when I was

786
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 8: in Detroit for four years. It was you know all

787
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 8: the time, and it was it's it's always a challenge.

788
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 7: He's a great player in terms of he can spin the.

789
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 8: Ball, he can get he knows who to get it to,

790
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 8: and and so he always presents challenges that way.

791
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: Sat on Detroit obviously gainst it against.

792
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: Him last year And how much has his game.

793
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Changed over that time.

794
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 8: I think the only thing that's probably really changed is

795
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 8: he's not running as much in terms of trying to

796
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 8: get away.

797
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 8: When he was younger, you could see him, Uh, you

799
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 8: would be be scared to play some some you know

800
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 8: man under defenses because he'd get out of the pocket

801
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 8: and he could beat you with his legs. R Probably

802
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 8: not as much. He's probably more selective in terms of

803
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 8: running that way. But in terms of I don't see

804
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 8: any drop off in terms of accuracy, in terms of

805
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 8: ball speed, in terms of how he spends it.

806
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 5: What you mean some of the guys were talking about

807
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 5: shoring up some stramatic things.

808
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 7: Maybe wasn't want to be in the last season.

809
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 8: What kinds of things are you working on this FLM

810
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 8: summer picture that doesn't happen to be there? Well, yeah,

811
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 8: we're doing some We're gonna try to do some different

812
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 8: things and make sure we have the the the bodies

813
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 8: in the right place to to to help ourselves. Cause

814
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 8: obviously we we didn't like how we finished last year.

815
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 7: Uh.

816
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 8: Obviously the drafting of the big up front is also

817
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 8: a testament that what we needed to do.

818
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 7: We need to get a little bit bigger and younger

819
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 7: up front. And so we're gonna.

820
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 8: Try to put all those things together to to be

821
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 8: more solid down the stretch and and be better.

822
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 5: Uh.

823
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 8: You know, we just we had a Baltimore problem last year.

824
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 8: I mean, there's no other way to get around it.

825
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 8: They they ran the ball down our throats and and

826
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 8: we have to fix that if we wanna if we

827
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 8: wanna contend in this division.

828
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 5: So yeah, you guys have had a pretty good history

829
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: against prior to that game.

830
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 8: Cause was the statistical way out of whack for what

831
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 8: they usually or what you shouldn't best.

832
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 7: It's which got our bus cap. I mean there's you

833
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 7: give them credit.

834
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 8: Uh And and and we didn't do a bit enough

835
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 8: job and it started with me, and so you know,

836
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 8: the things we looked at and tried to address coming

837
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 8: into the off season was, uh, you know, making some

838
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 8: schematic changes that we'll do and making some some personnel

839
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 8: changes that we did. The how humbly there's a performance

840
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 8: like that, whatever you go against your.

841
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 7: Drival like that a playoff.

842
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: Game and they're able to older will like that.

843
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 8: How much did that kind of maybe or maybe think,

844
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 8: maybe kind of rethink kind of you before doing.

845
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 7: Before that we wanted to get buck sh It makes

846
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 7: you obviously, it makes you rethink.

847
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 8: You hate it cause you don't ever want your rival

848
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 8: to kick your ass, But I think it makes us better.

849
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 7: And that's what rivalries are there.

850
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 8: There are two good teams usually going at it, and

851
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 8: uh sometimes the other the other side's gonna have.

852
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 7: An upper hand.

853
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: And so.

854
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, we had been ahead in that in that category

855
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 8: and and they did some catching up. So it's time

856
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 8: for us to adjust and and see if we can

857
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 8: get back on the tops on the right side of things.

858
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: Does Peyton ho what a place to be a three

859
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 5: dollars a night?

860
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 7: Absolutely? What the what about this game makes you think that?

861
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 5: I know he wasn't you know, maybe for.

862
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 7: Under bunch and call it.

863
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 8: I I think his the his willingness to learn and

864
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 8: understand the areas that he was a little deficient in

865
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 8: in terms of coming downhill and taking on blocks. That

866
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 8: was he didn't really have to do that much in college.

867
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 8: And he's gotten better at that as we've as the year.

868
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 8: He got better at as the year went on last year,

869
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 8: and he knows that's an area to work on. So Uh,

870
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 8: I think you have a a really conscientious player uh

871
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 8: who has the work ethic and the drive to do it. Uh,

872
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 8: he'll get it done.

873
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 7: So he at her.

874
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only keep getting up in here?

875
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 5: What does getting invaluable?

876
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 8: Well? It it is it It allows the younger guys

877
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 8: uh to get more work, more reps and actually you

878
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 8: know against the the the good guys uh so to

879
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 8: speak the first teams and and it and it just

880
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 8: it helps. I think it helps everybody because now you

881
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 8: have an opportunity to be in every down guy and

882
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 8: maybe not just a substitute on third down or something

883
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 8: like that. So you get first the second down reps,

884
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 8: you get situational football, you get all the things and

885
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 8: it should help you grow as a player.

886
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 6: It's a very different situation that whole had when he

887
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 6: got bern and now would he get back?

888
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: How does he get the.

889
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: Doctor and how is that now with back?

890
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 8: Well, it's it's been a long bounce back. That was

891
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 8: a really bad injury. Uh, he's bounced back. He's he's

892
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 8: an unbelievable worker. And so he's getting himself back into

893
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 8: uh football, you know, movements and shape and all those things.

894
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 8: And he's gonna have to fight his tail off cause

895
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 8: it is a different room than when he left. But

896
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 8: I think he'll be up for the challenge. And we'll

897
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 8: just see how that works out of camp and what

898
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 8: it takes us. Cause the bottom line is, uh, whoever

899
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 8: are the best players have to be on the field

900
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 8: and and if he's one of the best players, then

901
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 8: we'll find a way to get him on the field.

902
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 8: And you were talking about giving somatical in some areas,

903
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 8: so got betaking how much of you guys connections just

904
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 8: on what you know, punches and some punches at four

905
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 8: by one formations and get that bed. Oh yeah, those

906
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 8: are the things that are trending, Mike. I think that

907
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 8: that the four by one stuff, bunches and trying to

908
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 8: confuse you say you don't get right on the guys

909
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 8: right away. Uh, those are things that we're always trying

910
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 8: to perfect and get better and see what we can

911
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 8: do better at it. And so those are always studies

912
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 8: and and really the.

913
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 7: Proof will be, you know, what do we do with

914
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 7: it this year? How do we how do we handle it?

915
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 7: We do we handle it better than we did last year?

916
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: Well? We are U report trying to be on U

917
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 5: Sawyer at this point?

918
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: Do you what you drop a foot farve.

919
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna give Jack a whole bunch, but I'll

920
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 8: say it to A. I like Jack, No, he is

921
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 8: a He's outstanding. He's got all the football qualities that

922
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 8: that that we like, uh, that we cherish around here,

923
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 8: and it'll be really nice. I really want to see

924
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 8: him once we get the pads on and how all

925
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 8: that stuff translate.

926
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 7: But you know we're in short right now. I can

927
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 7: give everybody an A at this point. We all get

928
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 7: a's at this point. Sea. How have you see Cam

929
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 7: and engage with Hyya and Derek.

930
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 5: And how have you see those guys?

931
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 7: Kind of smark to the leadership that Cam.

932
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 8: Wills I think, Uh, Cam is obviously he's an unbelievable leader.

933
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 7: He's been here. I don't know Camp thirty years, yeah,

934
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 7: twenty seven years. I think Cam's been here. Uh, but

935
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 7: Cam is Uh, he's great for those guys. Uh.

936
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 8: He he does a lot of really good things. He

937
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 8: has people into his home, he takes him under his wing.

938
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 8: And it'd be really, I think, not smart for a

939
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 8: young guy not to take that leadership when you look

940
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 8: at what he's done and and if you just look

941
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 8: at what he's done past the age of thirty, I

942
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 8: mean that is unbelievable, the way he's played. And so

943
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 8: that guy has something in in his process and what

944
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 8: he does, it's probably pretty valuable to a young guy.

945
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 8: And so I think those guys have done a good job.

946
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: Have you seen Derek kind of you know, I know

947
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: herbig and walk were kind of like that BC there

948
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: kind of any ille a supper kind of mess.

949
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 7: That's I don't I don't know, it's kind of early

950
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 7: for that right now.

951
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 8: But I think you can see that those guys are

952
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 8: trying to get some information, trying to soak it up

953
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 8: the good things that he can give to them, and

954
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 8: so it'll it's always gonna be a work in progress,

955
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 8: but I think that that those guys.

956
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 7: Are using him.

957
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 8: They're using Cam in the right way, and I think

958
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 8: Cam is open to giving them anything that he's got,

959
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 8: everything that he's gone.

960
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 6: He wasn't a Voicehyterius slave blocking corn doctors already.

961
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 8: I don't know if he's brought a whole bunch yet

962
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 8: in the sense of, you know, we're just kind of

963
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 8: getting together.

964
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 7: But I mean, I know Slay and I know he'll

965
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 7: be really good in that.

966
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 8: Room, and and what he'll bring in terms of his

967
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 8: professionalism and his expectations and the things that he's gonna

968
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 8: the things that he does obviously that he'll he'll want

969
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 8: other guys to be and do what he does, and

970
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 8: so he'll he'll bring him along. I think that's gonna be, again,

971
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 8: a work in progress, and I think that'll really start

972
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 8: showing once we get into camp situations and go from there.

973
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 9: Stratics Week, see Justice Submission, any of.

974
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: Those of the ball trying to get bos Flash, try

975
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: to get the matter where you have to get your

976
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 4: center field of wolves.

977
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's it's a lot of things. But

978
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not gonna tell you when the scheme

979
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 7: shiit like we always.

980
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 9: Go through this absolutely so now there's uh, you know,

981
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 9: we're we're gonna do what we think is best to

982
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 9: get our guys in position to make Funa war.

983
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we'd love to. That's that's his calling card. And

984
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 7: you know, he.

985
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 8: Hasn't had as much success as we'd like the last

986
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: couple of years, but uh, I think the way it

987
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 8: works and or or the way he works and the

988
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 8: way he prepares.

989
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 7: Those things will come. It's just you know, it's just

990
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 7: had a dry year or so. Is there any of

991
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 7: them last till that you're explaining about or did you

992
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 7: want to be any position you're excited about?

993
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: Well, I mentioned it.

994
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 8: We've kind of you know, I I really like uh

995
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 8: when I first uh got in this position, I think

996
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 8: one of the areas we wanted to remake was our linebacker,

997
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 8: the off the ball linebacker corps. And I really like

998
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 8: the depth and the things that we've done in that

999
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 8: group in terms of the people we've added, the guys

1000
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 8: we've drafted. I think that's a really competitive group now

1001
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 8: and it's not like a given like, Hey, this guy's

1002
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 8: gonna make it or that guy's gonna make it, or

1003
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 8: you know, I mean at one point it was kind

1004
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 8: of like, well, we knew who was who was doing

1005
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 8: wet today. I don't know if we know that standing

1006
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 8: here today, and so I think I'm excited.

1007
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: That was Steelers defensive coordinator Terrell Austin uh speaking to

1008
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: the assembled media at the end of practice. Gentlemen, we've

1009
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: got Justin. I don't know if you can back at

1010
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: the ranch. We're getting kind of like a weird echo

1011
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: in our in our headset here, but we heard what

1012
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: TA had to say there. I think a lot of

1013
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: discussion about personnel, perfect, thank you, Justin, you the man

1014
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: that is always tough like you.

1015
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: It's just weird. It's like here, you're here and yourself

1016
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 3: like a second after you say it's.

1017
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 4: You wouldn't think it's an occupational hazard, but anyone anyone

1018
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: listening is probably like, I'm sure you can overcome that.

1019
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 5: It's so really can't because.

1020
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: Because you're trying to think about the next thing you're saying,

1021
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: you're like two seconds behind talking to yourself there. But

1022
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: I think like some of the things that he discussed

1023
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: there were some of the things that we've discussed throughout

1024
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: the first hour. Yeah, getting getting hands on football's creating turnovers,

1025
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: creating more pressures and you heard them even joking there

1026
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: with our buddy Mike Persuda about I'm not going to

1027
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: get into the schemes with you, Pursuda, but that again,

1028
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: that's what they're spending the time right now doing.

1029
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I knew he wasn't going to answer stuff

1030
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: about schemes, but I wanted to talk a little bit

1031
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: about schemes. And I don't have a problem with the

1032
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: current way that they've deployed their guys and the schemes

1033
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: they've used. But I also don't think it's an accident

1034
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: or will be ignored that they're three to four deep.

1035
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 5: Now it off the ball linebacker. You mentioned that position specifically.

1036
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 4: Yep, might you see some true four to three stuff?

1037
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: You know, rarely do you see three true linebackers on

1038
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 4: the field at the NFL level. Remember Mike Tomlin came

1039
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: from Tampa to you know. I mean, that's what they

1040
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: ran with the Bucks. I'm just saying, sprinkled in. Sure,

1041
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 4: you also have three starting caliber safeties. Yes, are you

1042
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: gonna see more big nickel with those guys? You know,

1043
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 4: maybe one of the safeties plays more slot day. When

1044
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: I talk about this, a lot Thornhill or Minca, but

1045
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: a big thing I would wanted to distress too, is

1046
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 4: we talked about in the first segment. More pressman coverage.

1047
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: I would love to see just to make quarterbacks not get.

1048
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 5: The ball out in two point one seconds. And this

1049
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 5: is actually a really good thing.

1050
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 4: But they are at the very top of the league

1051
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: in aligning in a single high safety as opposed to

1052
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: a split safety look. And that's the beauty of MENCA.

1053
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like everyone would like to be able to

1054
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: do more of that. I mean, if you have Earl

1055
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 4: Thomas ed Reed patrolling deep middle, people are jealous.

1056
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: It's a great centerfielder, right.

1057
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: So they play a lot of.

1058
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: Cover one, They play a lot of Cover three with

1059
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: a single high safety, top of a league in both basically,

1060
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: and that's great, But do more, you know, like i mean,

1061
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: mix in some quarters, some fangio stuff. And some of

1062
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: the guys they have, particularly Slay, have a lot more

1063
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: coverage flexibility with you than the guys last year mentioned

1064
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: the safety's mentioned the linebackers. I'd like to see a

1065
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: more expanded group of coverages. But the make of thing

1066
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 4: is a wonderful fallback you know, or foundation, you know,

1067
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 4: single high guy.

1068
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, without a doubt, the idea that.

1069
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 6: He stinks because he never takeaways last year, he's ridiculous.

1070
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: Ridiculous, the trickle down effect he has to everyone in

1071
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: front of him. I think you've heard this analogy. I mean,

1072
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: it's Grant Fe're with the oilers allows Paul Coffee to

1073
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: be aggressive on.

1074
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: To be the fourth attacker in the offensive zone.

1075
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: I mean, the Legion of Boom is the best example.

1076
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 4: Earl Thomas was just the eraser. He's the goalie back there.

1077
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 4: So Sherman and Chancellor and those guys.

1078
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: You can play more chess. Everybody else just.

1079
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: Be more aggressive. They could take more chances.

1080
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: I mean, Okay, if I come up to make this

1081
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 4: play and I I don't get there in time, Earl's

1082
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: got my back, you know, Martin Patrick wahb back there.

1083
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1084
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, that's that's a that's great analogy. That's

1085
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: a great example. That makes a lot of sense. And

1086
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: you know, I it's it allows you to be creative

1087
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: with what you're doing elsewhere. And yeah, a big luxury

1088
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: to have in that regard. And I know, listen, everyone

1089
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: loves to harp on the turnovers.

1090
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: I get it. And Minca had an insane stretch when

1091
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: he first got here, of like every game it felt

1092
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: like that's what I have a pick six today, you know, right, Like.

1093
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: I think his first seven games, if I remember correctly,

1094
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: he had an interception or forced a fumble, and he

1095
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: had like two I think two pick sixes in those

1096
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: seven games as well too, And I think everybody just

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Speaker 2: thought that that was going to continue in perpetuity. Like

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Speaker 2: a other offensive coordinators weren't gonna start game planning around

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Speaker 2: that as well too.

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Speaker 4: But yes, certainly along those lines. Yeah, like Dale and

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Speaker 4: I talk about this a lot too. There's no stat

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Speaker 4: for the past. The quarterback doesn't attempt right because it's

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Speaker 4: at menca you know, Like remember Game one, Arthur Smith said,

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Speaker 4: we're trying to stay away from baits. He's a great

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Speaker 4: safety for the Falcons. That's worse where I came from.

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Speaker 4: He's an awesome player. We don't want to throw at him.

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Speaker 4: If you watch all twenty two, every Steeler opponent feels

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Speaker 4: the same way about me, right, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Yes, it's the context clues or not even context please,

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Speaker 2: it's just laid out right in front of you pretty clearly.

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Speaker 5: He also doesn't get a lot of targets because he's good.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's how those that is how those things tend

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Speaker 2: to work. One hour of the books, two more hours

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Speaker 2: to go here. I do want to, you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: hear a little bit from some key offensive power players

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Speaker 2: in the Steelers organization.

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Speaker 3: DK metcalf spoke. We'll hear some of what he had

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Speaker 3: to say as we roll.

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Speaker 5: Along practice in an hour.

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Speaker 3: Practice in about an hour.

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Speaker 2: You have Tom Arth, the Steelers quarterback coach, spoke yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well too, So plenty to get to as we

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Speaker 2: roll along here, West Schuler with Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: It's a special edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.