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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, September twelfth, twenty twenty three. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's Meet your Man

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Speaker 1: MG Marcus Grant joined by Michael F. Florio, and it

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Speaker 1: is the Waiver Wires Show. We'll talk about some guys

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Speaker 1: you might want to think about adding, and maybe some

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Speaker 1: guys you want to think about dropping. But Florio not

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Speaker 1: to start, obviously with the big news out of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Monday Night Football. On the scoreboard, it was a

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Speaker 1: tough one for the Buffalo Bills. But on the field,

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, in the locker room, a tough one

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Speaker 1: for the New York Jets. Aaron Rodgers' tenure with them

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Speaker 1: has lasted all of four plays, and then he hurts himself,

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Speaker 1: tears his Achilles tendon. He is done for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three season. It's thee a huge blow for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about what this means for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the Jets skill position players in fantasy, starting with

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Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. We were frustrated with him last year dealing

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Speaker 1: with Zach Wilson. Now he's back to that again. Where

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Speaker 1: are you ranking him? How do you feel about Garrett

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Speaker 1: Wilson now, I.

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Speaker 2: Think he goes from being a top ten with top

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Speaker 2: five upside at the wide receiver position to being more

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Speaker 2: of a wide receiver two, who will have some weeks

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Speaker 2: where he still is a wide receiver one because he's amazing,

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Speaker 2: as we saw on that catch last night, Zach Wilson

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Speaker 2: celebrating that touchdown pass like, bro, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: That was all Garrett Wilson. But there will be weeks

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Speaker 2: where he's a wide receiver three as well. I think

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Speaker 2: that is in his range. Like I'm going to consistently

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Speaker 2: value him as a wide receiver two, but I think

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Speaker 2: he's going to fluctuate, not because of him, but because

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Speaker 2: of the quarterback play. Like this week they get the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, I am pretty concerned about Garrett Wilson in

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Speaker 2: that matchup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing with Wilson now,

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Speaker 1: is that before when Rogers was the quarterback, you could

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Speaker 1: go into matchups like this and feel okay, right, you

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Speaker 1: knew it was still gonna be a tough match yet,

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Speaker 1: but the quarterback gave you a level of confidence with

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Speaker 1: Rogers that you don't get with Zach Wilson. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine you sitting Garrett Wilson because you probably

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Speaker 1: spent a late first round maybe early second round pick

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Speaker 1: on him and you may not have a better option.

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Speaker 1: But now these matchups get a lot more scary. I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of with you. I think he sort of falls

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Speaker 1: down to that art that the wide receiver two plateau,

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Speaker 1: where before we had him as kind of a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver one. Just a frustrating moment obviously for the Jets,

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, incredibly frustrating it for fantasy, it sort

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Speaker 1: of changes our outlook. Now you gotta look at the

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Speaker 1: backfield because Breece Hall looks very good. Limited opportunity on

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Speaker 1: Monday Night, but a couple of really big runs. Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Cook saw a number of touches. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: he was particularly special, but he's going to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of work in this offense. I mean, obviously they

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Speaker 1: are a downgrade without Aaron Rodgers, but how far are

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Speaker 1: you downgrading them.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I'm actually upgrading brace Hall. I think

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Speaker 2: Brece Hall is back to being a must start already,

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Speaker 2: and I know he only played seventeen snaps yesterday. Ten

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Speaker 2: carries one hundred and twenty seven yards. He caught his

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Speaker 2: one of his two targets for twenty yards. The burst

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Speaker 2: and explosiveness was there, and he could have had an

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Speaker 2: even bigger game like regular season. Breis Hall in that

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Speaker 2: first game back off of the ACL scores a touchdown

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Speaker 2: on that long run. He also could have scored a

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Speaker 2: touchdown had Garrett Wilson blocked instead of celebrating. So I

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Speaker 2: think on yeah, maybe we're not gonna get what we

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Speaker 2: got out of him yesterday, but Breese every game, but

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Speaker 2: Breese Hall is going to get more volume. I think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be on the field more. It was his

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Speaker 2: first game back. We're gonna slowly see him start to

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Speaker 2: get more and more and more, and by like the

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Speaker 2: second or third week from now, we could be talking

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Speaker 2: about this guy as a top ten running back again.

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Speaker 2: So I think he's back in play because the Jets

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Speaker 2: than we were anticipating. Dalvin Cook remains a flex option

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Speaker 2: for me. He gets downgraded a bit because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: have that burst. He still got explosiveness, but not like

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about two players that are splitting reps,

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Speaker 1: If they do, something has gone really wrong for them

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Speaker 1: give the ball to Breeze. Hall to Dallas took a

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Speaker 1: lot more. That's a good thing. The bad thing is

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Speaker 1: the overall touchdown upside for this offense goes down. Without

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. They're just not going to score

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Speaker 1: as many points. And the other part of it is,

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Speaker 1: even with the increased opportunities, they're still splitting. Now. I

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Speaker 1: But I still believe you're only going to have maybe

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Speaker 1: be the case now. So obviously, why have plenty more

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Speaker 1: Jets talk as we go throughout the season, but right

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers injury. So Mike, let's start off with who

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Speaker 1: you have on your waiver wire list.

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Speaker 2: Same two quarterbacks we told you to pick up last week,

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Speaker 2: Brock Perdy and Sam how Kenneth Gainwell, who looks like

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Speaker 2: the clear RB one for Philly, Kyen Williams. We spoke

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Speaker 2: about the Ravens Tyler Ralgier, we spoke about and Joshua Kelly,

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Speaker 2: who had a standalone role despite Austin Eckler going off

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Speaker 2: as well. And then some pass catchers Pooka Nakula lo.

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Speaker 2: Everyone and their mother is going to tell you they

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Speaker 2: were in on Pooka Nakua. Now there's receipts to see

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Speaker 2: who actually was. Nico Collins had ten targets yesterday, Jacoby Myers,

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Speaker 2: we spoke about Kendrick Bourn, We spoke about Rashid Shah

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Speaker 2: Head had a big game, Robert Woods at double digit targets,

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Speaker 2: Rashid Rice and then Sam Laporter. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: he's not more roster than he is. Hunter Henry played

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Speaker 2: really well. And someone I know you like Marcus Luke Musgrave.

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Speaker 2: He was impressive in his first NFL game as well.

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Speaker 1: Very tight end. Yeah, I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: like Luke Musgrave. I will admit I was sort of

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Speaker 1: in Luke musk Grave. By the way, if you want

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Speaker 1: more waiver wire options, you can check out Matt o'catta's

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Speaker 1: weekly column NFL dot com slash waiver Wire. At some point,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to get Okada on the show to

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Speaker 1: come in and talk about some of his his waiver

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Speaker 1: wire picks. Let's look at the guy, though, who is

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Speaker 1: your top waiver wire target? If you could only target

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Speaker 1: one guy, who's it going to be this week?

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Speaker 2: There's two and you got the other one, right, So

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell to me, because running backs are If you

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Speaker 2: can find the lead running back for Jalen Hurts in

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles system, there's league winning upside there. And

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what Kenneth Gainwell was in Week one. He

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Speaker 2: played sixty two percent of the snaps, had fourteen of

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Speaker 2: the sixteen running back carries and four targets. And I

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Speaker 2: know some people are like they were saving DeAndre Swift

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Speaker 2: for the short week. Why would they do that in

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Speaker 2: Week one? I think you're just wish casting there. DeAndre

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Speaker 2: Swift turned three opportunities into three yards, where Sean Penny

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Speaker 2: was a healthy scratch. Kenneth Gainwell, I know we didn't

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Speaker 2: want to believe it in the preseason, but there was

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Speaker 2: talks that he would be the lead runner for Philly.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is arguably the best rushing attack in football.

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Speaker 2: If you get the lead guy there, I think that

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Speaker 2: could be a season changing pickup very.

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Speaker 1: Much could be a season changing pickup. You know, Gainwell

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Speaker 1: should be on rosters. I think we're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: of shake out here. But you mentioned Pooka. Everybody loves Pooka.

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Speaker 1: Pooka shells all around. Pooka Nakula that huge game in

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Speaker 1: his rookie debut for the Rams. Ten catches one hundred

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Speaker 1: number one target in this offense as long as Cooper

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Speaker 1: so out for at least the first four games, but

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Speaker 1: Pooka Nakua can play that Robert Woods role even wearing Woods.

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Speaker 1: He's old number, got that number seventeen on his back.

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Speaker 1: But we saw on Sunday that he is a guy

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Speaker 1: right from the get go. I will say this, I

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Speaker 1: liked Puka Nakula enough to draft him late. In a

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Speaker 1: get enough targets for me to start him. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to buy in. Although next week. It is the

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Speaker 2: I think your approach was exactly the right call, though,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, he fifth round rook. I was very big

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Speaker 2: on Pooka Nakula, but even I was like, you're not

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Speaker 2: gonna start this kid in his first game. We need

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Speaker 2: to see it first. But if you drafted him, be happy.

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Speaker 1: He's on your roust. Absolutely be happy he's on your

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Speaker 1: in your league who might now be scouring to try

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Speaker 1: to get Pooka Nakua. If you're looking for a deep

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Speaker 1: waiver wire target, who do you like?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna channel my inner Patrick Claybound. Can I tell

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Speaker 2: you Rashid sh here it is? He was another receiver

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Speaker 2: that I liked as a late round target, and a

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Speaker 2: big part of it was because of Patrick everything he

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Speaker 2: was saying on him last year. Basically, when Rashid Shaheed

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Speaker 2: got a chance last year, he won downfield and scored

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Speaker 2: a touchdown and six targets, five catches, eighty nine yards

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Speaker 2: a touchdown. They let him use again involved in the

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Speaker 2: running game a little bit. He is very, very explosive,

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Speaker 2: and I know Michael Thomas played really well yesterday. If

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Speaker 2: Michael Thomas gets hurt, We're talking about Shahi being the

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Speaker 2: number two target or wide receiver target for Derek Carr

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Speaker 2: and the Saints. And when you're that explosive and you

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Speaker 2: could get consistent volume, you're gonna have a lot more

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Speaker 2: boom weeks than bus weeks. So Shaheed is someone I

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Speaker 2: want on my roster.

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Speaker 1: I need him to not be worrying number twenty two

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Speaker 1: because that's confusing as hell. That's all I know. You

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Speaker 1: saw on the list there at the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave the rookie tight end for the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: and he had himself quite a nice day. Four targets,

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Speaker 1: three catches, fifty yards. Yes, I know you look at

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Speaker 1: it an eight Fantasy points. You're like, really, but it's

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