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Speaker 1: ready for a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February twenty fourth, two twenty one, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: Episode number ninety eight, and welcome to a very special
Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break, Part that You Buy Geico.
Speaker 1: We're live from SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. And
Speaker 1: when I say we're alive from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Start, I mean we are live from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I got Nick,
Speaker 1: I got Dave, I got Amber. We are all in
Speaker 1: studio for the first time in a year, or maybe
Speaker 1: a little more than a year, right close, at the
Speaker 1: first time we've done a show. No, first time we've
Speaker 1: been in the studio together. Yeah, in a year, because
Speaker 1: I want to say around this time last year, I
Speaker 1: know I was at a meeting in Pittsburgh. You guys
Speaker 1: were at Combine, right it's been a year, so we
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. We came back, so it's been a year.
Speaker 1: It's been a full year. This different, it feels good.
Speaker 1: I would say it's like a hockey game, but I've
Speaker 1: never actually sat down on the glass at a hockey camp,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't know. That's a better analogy though, because
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like I'm in the
Speaker 1: reptile house at the Zoo. But this that's weird too.
Speaker 1: I've been a lot of time. I'm getting my bearings
Speaker 1: like a zoo. Yeah, who doesn't interesting things. I can't
Speaker 1: reach out to hit Nick like you know, he says
Speaker 1: something crazy. I just can't like hit him. Rip shot
Speaker 1: of the last show we did you did? No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get past the glass around and hit me
Speaker 1: in the break. Oh I did come around if I
Speaker 1: hit you, But I do still owe you. See the
Speaker 1: funny Like we're sitting here. We think it's so cool
Speaker 1: that we're all in our room together, but anybody listening
Speaker 1: to this is like, oh my god, they can just
Speaker 1: talk and not trip all over each other and lose
Speaker 1: WiFi and all other faith happen. You know what I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna do. I think we're gonna put together
Speaker 1: a compilation of all of Day's moments when he froze
Speaker 1: on camera. I think that'd be actually a pretty good
Speaker 1: video because that seemed to happen every show for the
Speaker 1: last year. Or Dave's talking and he gets right to
Speaker 1: the best part of his point and then it's like,
Speaker 1: I just see, it's just Dave stuck there. I would
Speaker 1: like to think that I got better as the season
Speaker 1: went along, but I can't prove that. Maybe like an
Speaker 1: hour and a little bit video along when it would
Speaker 1: be long. How you doing, Amber good? You're just sitting
Speaker 1: over there looking at us. I think we're all just
Speaker 1: so excited to be and you're like, let's get this
Speaker 1: thing over with. Yeah, you guys are way more excited. Definitely,
Speaker 1: you there, You're way more excited than I am. For sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad I'm alive right now. We all survived
Speaker 1: last week, so I'm just glad to be breathing right now.
Speaker 1: What people don't know about Amber is that Amber hates
Speaker 1: the coal, so it was doubly bad for Amber. Like
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, the water, the heat, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: Amber hates the cold, so you're talking five degrees Ambers
Speaker 1: out on that you talk, you talk fifty degrees Ambers like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing. Did you happen to notice
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys star quarterback was while all of that
Speaker 1: was happening. No where was it none other than the
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic that had just pouring salt your home, your hometown,
Speaker 1: right yep? Yeah, Um, I don't know. I guess can
Speaker 1: you can you still get deals done from over there?
Speaker 1: I would think so, And I'm hopeful that maybe there's
Speaker 1: a little tart going on and it's I'm sure there is.
Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point. Hopefully, at some point they
Speaker 1: will have something for us to announce and talk about
Speaker 1: so that all of our content doesn't end up being
Speaker 1: having comments like signed back. So maybe we can get there.
Speaker 1: So I think he's really involved in the negotiations, which
Speaker 1: somewhat might argue as part of the problem. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe he kind of needs to at some point the
Speaker 1: player does need to kind of step in and help
Speaker 1: and do that, and maybe he will, maybe that will happen,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like he kind of stays away from it,
Speaker 1: and you know, that process hasn't worked in two years
Speaker 1: so he may be at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in this. I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in the fact that when you have two sides that
Speaker 1: want to get a deal done, eventually you get a
Speaker 1: deal done. And so I'm hopeful that that's what's going
Speaker 1: to happen here. We're getting close to the end of
Speaker 1: the day. You know that there's a cliche that everyone
Speaker 1: says that end of the day and whatever that really means.
Speaker 1: But I think we're getting close to the thirty business hours. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting close to the kind of looking checking to
Speaker 1: see if your boss is still in his office, that
Speaker 1: type of thing. And if he's not, make a run
Speaker 1: for hell, yo, not even a run if he's not.
Speaker 1: If you're not there, I'm strolling out. If I just
Speaker 1: went to the restaurant. Now that's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's jump in. Today. We are actually going
Speaker 1: to move to the defensive side of the ball. The
Speaker 1: last few shows we've been talking about the offense. We've
Speaker 1: done a review of each position on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. To day we flip to the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. We're gonna talk about the defensive
Speaker 1: line particularly, But before we get to that, I kind
Speaker 1: of want to set the conversation with a bigger picture
Speaker 1: question about the defense and what we know about this defense.
Speaker 1: It was bad last year, and saying it was bad,
Speaker 1: I don't even think really describes how bad it was.
Speaker 1: This defense was historically bad from the standpoint of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys franchise. That all being said, what do you think
Speaker 1: is the most expedient way for the Cowboys to fix
Speaker 1: this defense? And I'll give you a little bit of
Speaker 1: a hint of where I'm going with this. I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of discussions about the draft and people talking
Speaker 1: about which way do you go. Do you spend all
Speaker 1: of your draft capital on defense, thinking that's your way
Speaker 1: to kind of pull it out of the depths of
Speaker 1: where it's been, or do you look at the offense
Speaker 1: and say, there are a couple positions on the offense
Speaker 1: that if you just get a couple pieces, this offense
Speaker 1: might be really great and that's how you help this defense.
Speaker 1: Which way do you guys fall on this? Let's start
Speaker 1: with your name. I'll start with the defense first. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that even though there might be an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman or so that's there that could help you right away.
Speaker 1: I just feel like the defensive side of the ball
Speaker 1: is going to be what you really need. I would
Speaker 1: suggest to do that in the first couple of rounds,
Speaker 1: but it's hard. It's hard to see how the draft
Speaker 1: is gonna go. And and you're right, you could have
Speaker 1: an offensive player that helps you. But but I think
Speaker 1: I'm getting a defensive player that's NFL ready right now,
Speaker 1: could step in and play. Projects are nice, but I
Speaker 1: want a guy and at the tenth overall pick, he
Speaker 1: should be able to step in, and I think it
Speaker 1: was at forty four forty three in the second round four.
Speaker 1: I mean that guy needs to be ready to go
Speaker 1: to I'm not looking at the Jalen Smith's of the
Speaker 1: world and the guys that were banged up and hope
Speaker 1: to steal one. I want a guy can plug in
Speaker 1: and play right now. Amber, Well, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting because me personally, I still don't know what to
Speaker 1: expect from den Quinn, and we hear a lot of
Speaker 1: great things about him and his potential when it comes
Speaker 1: to player development and all that. But then you when
Speaker 1: you actually start looking at the roster, this isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a problem that was just last year. I mean, last
Speaker 1: year it was terrible, but you look at years before that,
Speaker 1: you still were lacking certain talent on the field when
Speaker 1: it came to the defensive side of the ball, and
Speaker 1: that was under a different coaching staff. So you definitely
Speaker 1: need to reinforce find some more power on that end.
Speaker 1: And yes, I'm all for the whole draft and draft
Speaker 1: and you have to draft, you have to. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm a firm believer and I always
Speaker 1: say this. I'm like, I'm about the now, like I
Speaker 1: want it now, like give me my money now. But
Speaker 1: you do need veteran help there. You need someone that's
Speaker 1: already established. And I get that the whole money becomes
Speaker 1: a problem there because you're already gonna have to spend
Speaker 1: on that, hopefully on a extended year contract, But you
Speaker 1: have to at want some point just add veteran help
Speaker 1: and quit hoping that you're drafted talent is going to
Speaker 1: develop into something soon for you to use. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't have the patience anymore for the
Speaker 1: growth is every years, the roster changes so much and
Speaker 1: then you lose the veteran guys, and now we're at
Speaker 1: the point where we're talking about Tyran Smith, Sack Martin,
Speaker 1: like all Collins being injured, and then you sooner or later,
Speaker 1: you're going to start losing those guys too. So again
Speaker 1: you're transitioning the team into something else. So definitely get
Speaker 1: someone on the defensive side of the ball that can
Speaker 1: help you immediately and not need room for growth. Dave,
Speaker 1: you said expedient, and if that's what, if that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, just making how do you get death
Speaker 1: the quick because the fastest way is to sign Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott because it just it just answers all the questions
Speaker 1: about the future of your franchise. If you don't do
Speaker 1: it now, you've got to start thinking about quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the top ten, drafting a quarterback, figuring out how you're
Speaker 1: going to accommodate that. You're also if you don't sign them,
Speaker 1: you're carrying a thirty eight million dollars cap number that
Speaker 1: makes it incredibly difficult to add any legitimate talent to
Speaker 1: your team right now. If you sign him today, they
Speaker 1: knock knock on would they will? But knock on will
Speaker 1: they won't because that would mean this show is moot,
Speaker 1: you know, But hopefully they get it. Done quickly, is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. Because you can lower his
Speaker 1: number right now. That allows you, you know, they have
Speaker 1: nineteen million in space right now. They can create more
Speaker 1: with a couple of whisks of a PiZZ at nineteen million,
Speaker 1: assuming that it stayed flat like the salary cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still up in the air a little bit. That's
Speaker 1: assuming the growth is minimal. But they can create a
Speaker 1: lot more just by restructuring a few deals, which they
Speaker 1: do every year. You get dak on a deal you take,
Speaker 1: you can take his number down significantly from the tag number.
Speaker 1: Now you can talk about maybe we resigned Cheeto a Wouozier,
Speaker 1: Maybe we bring in a veteran safety like a keanu'nel.
Speaker 1: I'm only using that name because he played with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start any specific rumors or you know,
Speaker 1: like or people ask about Gerald McCoy all the time.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could bring him back. With that savings, you
Speaker 1: had a few players to your defense, then you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna pick in the top one hundred about four times
Speaker 1: when you add in the Byron Jones compick. So now
Speaker 1: and again, I don't want to say you gotta go
Speaker 1: defense with this pick because you never know. Maybe a
Speaker 1: tackle is the best guy at number ten, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a tackle is the best guy at pick forty four.
Speaker 1: But either way, three of those first four picks hopefully
Speaker 1: will be defense, a couple DB's, a linebacker, maybe whatever.
Speaker 1: So now you're talking about at least three guys who
Speaker 1: you think can contribute in a big way right away,
Speaker 1: handful of free agents. Oh and by the way, your
Speaker 1: quarterback is under contract for the foreseeable future. And if
Speaker 1: all those things happen, I think the Cowboys are easily
Speaker 1: the favorite to win the NFC East, which maybe that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean much because that division was terrible last year.
Speaker 1: But got to win the division to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's where the conversation starts. And if they do that stuff,
Speaker 1: I think they should win the division. And there you go.
Speaker 1: Amber said something really interesting. I want to get some
Speaker 1: opinions on. She said, I want to win now. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of waiting four draft picks to develop. And you
Speaker 1: look at the Los Angeles Rams. They've taken a similar approach.
Speaker 1: They have over the last few years been very willing
Speaker 1: to give up very high picks for the purposes of
Speaker 1: acquiring veteran talent, And it seems like their strategy is
Speaker 1: we'll let everybody else develop talent. We'll let everybody else
Speaker 1: figure out how that works and and take those risks
Speaker 1: that are associated with it. We'd rather get guys in
Speaker 1: their primes, and we'll give up We'll give up our
Speaker 1: premium draft picks in order to get guys in their
Speaker 1: primes because we would just rather have a veteran team
Speaker 1: and know more of what we're getting. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think about that strategy? Is at a better strategy
Speaker 1: than than optimized or really thinking of draft picks as
Speaker 1: the premier way to build a team over time. Well,
Speaker 1: teams have been doing it for years. They're just usually
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I mean, that's what the NBA does,
Speaker 1: that's their model. So yeah, it's it's a different I
Speaker 1: like everything I do in my life, I like to
Speaker 1: find you find a balance there, Like I like that
Speaker 1: a little bit. But then we don't have to go
Speaker 1: all the way and not draft at all. But I do,
Speaker 1: like I've always thought, you can get good value in
Speaker 1: the draft, and you get a vetter and you bring
Speaker 1: them in here, and I'll always forget I never forget
Speaker 1: that Randy Moss was a fourth round pick to doing
Speaker 1: and you know, just because on draft day you don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of value there um for some reason.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like to acquire that. I don't think
Speaker 1: you sell the farm for those players, because I do
Speaker 1: think you build through the draft. But I do think
Speaker 1: you can kind of fill holes with building through the draft.
Speaker 1: Hold On, I've been working here for twenty Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I get the logic behind it,
Speaker 1: but man, it's not working well. But here's some hold on.
Speaker 1: But I think it is working. I think it. I
Speaker 1: think it is working. Look at their best players. They're
Speaker 1: best players on their team. Are the guys that they're
Speaker 1: drafting that they're not I mean that they're drafting, they're developing.
Speaker 1: I just don't think the depth is where they're struggling.
Speaker 1: When they went last year to fill holes in the
Speaker 1: free agency, we all were excited about the free agency
Speaker 1: and it was Greg three line was a really good addition.
Speaker 1: Poe McCoy, ha ha, eorly who else busts? I mean,
Speaker 1: it was bad. So I think that you build there,
Speaker 1: but the infrastructure needs some help. And I think I
Speaker 1: think through the draft. I think free agency. That's I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm being long winded. I think what they need to
Speaker 1: change is be more aggressive in free agency. Quit trying
Speaker 1: to bargain shop all the time and wait for the
Speaker 1: price tags to go down, trying to target a guy
Speaker 1: in free agency that will help you maybe go get him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've I mean, we've said this for years. Is like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to be one extreme or
Speaker 1: the other, Like I don't. I don't want them to
Speaker 1: chase the giant contracts and free agency, but they gotta
Speaker 1: be willing to do more than they do. That's what
Speaker 1: it comes down to for me and the Rams. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see how it goes because I I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a terrible idea, especially like you know, you've
Speaker 1: got a veteran team, got a lot of big contracts,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna wind up up a creek eventually regardless,
Speaker 1: so you might as well go for it, you know,
Speaker 1: like you might as well go for it and try
Speaker 1: to put a great team together and strike while the
Speaker 1: iron's hot. I get it, And you can't completely live
Speaker 1: in fear. But at the same time, like when you
Speaker 1: deal away all your draft pick for half a decade.
Speaker 1: If anything goes wrong, yeah, it's over for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Matt Stafford tears his labor, m bye bye. Any
Speaker 1: chance of being good over the next like four years.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean, you can't live your
Speaker 1: life in fear that that's going to happen. But you
Speaker 1: got to keep that stuff in mind. So I definitely
Speaker 1: want and think the Cowboys need to be more aggressive.
Speaker 1: But I get real nervous when you start talking about
Speaker 1: not having a way to better your team in the draft,
Speaker 1: and the evidence overwhelmingly shows and it's not uniform, it's
Speaker 1: not a blanket statement, but like cheap labor is how
Speaker 1: you build good teams in the NFL, like finding good
Speaker 1: players in the draft and making the most of them
Speaker 1: before they come up on a second contract. Like that's
Speaker 1: how you succeed. And it's not fair of the players,
Speaker 1: but that's just the way it is with this CBA.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the one they just signed is
Speaker 1: going to change it too much. So they need to
Speaker 1: be more aggressive. But the draft is how you maintain
Speaker 1: longevity in the NFL in my opinion, Yeah, and do
Speaker 1: you have something that now I agree with everything they
Speaker 1: both said, Actually, like that whole mentality. My only problem
Speaker 1: is what I said before, It's just it sucks that
Speaker 1: every year, every year we're talking about, oh, we're developing
Speaker 1: this talent and all that, and then you see the
Speaker 1: transitioning happening, and I feel like I've been here, what
Speaker 1: six seven years now to the point where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this isn't really working. And maybe it was the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: maybe that was a changeing it. We saw that happening.
Speaker 1: Maybe last year it wasn't the right situation because of
Speaker 1: everything that happened to where they could really get this
Speaker 1: team working together and all that. But it's just it
Speaker 1: becomes frustrating when you're always hoping and everything. That's a gamble.
Speaker 1: Even if you sign a veteran player, it's still a gamble.
Speaker 1: But it's just very frustrating when you only you have
Speaker 1: to wait for that time of these rookie guys to develop,
Speaker 1: and we know that most of those guys they have
Speaker 1: to take some time to grow into. I mean, we
Speaker 1: see it, and maybe it depends on the position obviously,
Speaker 1: but we see it with them needing to put on weight,
Speaker 1: gain strength, feel, get a good feel of the speed
Speaker 1: of the NFL game, So that takes time, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are plenty of other people are frustrated than
Speaker 1: I am, because I've only been falling in for less
Speaker 1: than a decade. But it's just a lot. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let me let me say this. Then I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say a specific player who's under a contract with another team,
Speaker 1: I mean, because that could be tampering. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: but like, what positions we think this team like really
Speaker 1: got to get better at, like corner, say everything, But
Speaker 1: let's just say you got a guy, he's a he's
Speaker 1: been he's a fourth year of this will be his
Speaker 1: fifth year. He's relatively cheap, made two Pro Bowls. He's
Speaker 1: a stud at corner, you know, or defensive end. He
Speaker 1: is a stud. He has been in the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: and he needings a big time contract. Are you trading
Speaker 1: Are you trading your tenth pick for that? No, because
Speaker 1: you're you're trading one problem for another, right money? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I don't know. Yeah, well you're creating a problem
Speaker 1: for yourself. But you're also yeah, like again, the cheap
Speaker 1: part of it is what makes that is what makes
Speaker 1: it because you can add talent to your team without
Speaker 1: crippling your salary cap. That's just too valuable to me,
Speaker 1: assuming you're doing your job the right way. And at
Speaker 1: number ten, you're expecting you're getting a player that's going
Speaker 1: to immediately become in and give and make an impact
Speaker 1: right on. And so one Pro Bowl your second round pick.
Speaker 1: The guy's good. He's a good player. He's in his prime.
Speaker 1: This is his still his first deal into the first
Speaker 1: deal is seventh year, he's already had one. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know it's different. Feel is trying to me toward
Speaker 1: a specific No, I'm not because I don't want to
Speaker 1: go down that road. I don't want to. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this. I'll tell you this. It does depend
Speaker 1: on the position. Yeah, Like if you tell me, tell me.
Speaker 1: If you tell me it's a seventh year UM corner
Speaker 1: back that is that's been to one Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: that Pro Bowl was last year or the year before,
Speaker 1: and he's playing at that level every year, then maybe
Speaker 1: I consider. Okay, let's say that JJ Watt is undercut.
Speaker 1: He's not under contract, so he's a free Let's say
Speaker 1: that he was, and what would you what would you
Speaker 1: give up? Draft wise? Because there's some fans I'll say
Speaker 1: I'd give up the first round pick. No, definitely, not ten. No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, would you give up your second though for him?
Speaker 1: For J. J. Watt now? Not where he is in
Speaker 1: his career right now. Nope. I can do a third baby,
Speaker 1: you can talk me into a third baby. But I
Speaker 1: first two again, like you just said earlier this year,
Speaker 1: first two picks, I need them both to come in
Speaker 1: and immediately play. Yeah, but that guy is coming well, huh,
Speaker 1: he's been manded up. Yeah. Know what I mean is
Speaker 1: I need him to come into immediately play and give
Speaker 1: me at least four years if it's the first round pick,
Speaker 1: give me five years of production on a cheap contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on a relatively cheap contract. I'll just say this. I mean,
Speaker 1: the draft is always going to be a crapshoot, but
Speaker 1: if you do your job the right way, Like the
Speaker 1: transition to the NFL has ever been easier than it
Speaker 1: is right now? Why is it? Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: think because football it's such an industry. Like if you,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're good at football, you're going to
Speaker 1: camps from the time you're twelve, You're going to these
Speaker 1: big time programs, playing in these big time games every
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to bring him up for the
Speaker 1: ten millionth time, but t J. Watt didn't need to
Speaker 1: acclimate to the NFL. He was ready to go from
Speaker 1: day one. And he is also a great fit for him.
Speaker 1: Sure where they how they use him a great fit
Speaker 1: for him. I guarantee you if t J. Watt had
Speaker 1: been drafted to over Taco Charlton, he might maybe he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the defensive Player of the Year candidate he is,
Speaker 1: but he'd be on the team and he'd still be
Speaker 1: here pretty good. I think, yeah, he'd be pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know. It Also it comes down to the structure
Speaker 1: of your team. And Sean McVay at the Rams, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's very confident in their system that they have
Speaker 1: look at some of the players that do that play
Speaker 1: well for them. They're not always high draft picks. Their
Speaker 1: drafts are very very important. In the sixth, seventh round,
Speaker 1: fifth round, they've got to get guys that can come
Speaker 1: in and play because they don't have any first round picks,
Speaker 1: so to get that depth. And I think he has
Speaker 1: confidence that this system it works. He can bring in
Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup, he can bring in Robert Woods, they
Speaker 1: can they can shine they can do some great things.
Speaker 1: Those are just two examples. I think they were relatively
Speaker 1: high picks. But you know, their draft is just as
Speaker 1: important as any other team, probably been more important because
Speaker 1: they've got a hit on late round picks. While we'll
Speaker 1: say this too. You look around the league and you
Speaker 1: look at the teams that have consistently been good in
Speaker 1: this league over the last ten, fifteen, twenty years. Patriots,
Speaker 1: the Packers, the Steelers. Those are teams that are notoriously
Speaker 1: draft first teams. They are not teams that spend a
Speaker 1: ton in free agency. Typically, they are your basic basement
Speaker 1: bargain shopping type teams, and they have been very successful
Speaker 1: doing it. Now. Part of that is because they you know,
Speaker 1: in a lot of those cases, they got a quarterback
Speaker 1: already so they don't have to worry about that. But
Speaker 1: the irony, the irony there, I agree with you about
Speaker 1: some of that. The Patriots suck at drafting. They're not awesome,
Speaker 1: but they but they don't They don't spend a lot
Speaker 1: of money in free agent at all. They defy all logics.
Speaker 1: But there is there is a common theme there. You said, Bay,
Speaker 1: obviously they Carthy was let go, but he was there
Speaker 1: what thirteen years. Tomlin's been there a long time, Belichick's
Speaker 1: been there a long time. So yeah, so you can
Speaker 1: get you can get some really good players with a system.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't draft well, but they have confidence in
Speaker 1: the system that they have. And so that's why you
Speaker 1: don't always just want to let coaches go all the
Speaker 1: time and start over, because continuity does help. Well, don't
Speaker 1: get Cowboys fans talking about that, because that I could
Speaker 1: also go the other way when you hold on a
Speaker 1: little too long. I'm just saying true, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's a whole different conversation, just opening all
Speaker 1: the scabs, like every wound. That though, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Those guys have been consistently good to great, and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett and this staff was consistently average to good. And
Speaker 1: that's that's the mostly average though, all right, mean around
Speaker 1: an average. Here's we're gonna do. We're gonna take our
Speaker 1: first break when we come back. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the defensive line. I got some questions lined up for
Speaker 1: you guys who are gonna talk about defensive in We'll
Speaker 1: also talk about defensive tackle. We'll do that when we
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the Break. We are live from
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Speaker 1: presented by Geico, and today we're talking about the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. We flipped our review from the
Speaker 1: offense to the defense, and we're gonna zoom in today
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. My first question for you guys
Speaker 1: is how comfortable are you and you have two starter
Speaker 1: caliber defensive ends between Lawrence and Gregory going into next season.
Speaker 1: Let's did you read the mailbag this morning? Maybe not?
Speaker 1: Was I supposed to? I was actually mail baglast yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's why I was confused. It was Tuesday. Tuesday's mailbag.
Speaker 1: Dave and I both answered, what position on the whole
Speaker 1: team if you had a chance to just get an
Speaker 1: impact player? And we both kind of went around different
Speaker 1: spots would all be great, but we ended up with
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yep. Really, oh yeah, of all the positions
Speaker 1: on this team. Okay, but that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: knock on Randy. Okay. And when you at you said,
Speaker 1: I think your wording ones. Are you comfortable that you
Speaker 1: got two starters? I'm comfortable with that the same way
Speaker 1: that I'm comfortable that I have money in my savings account,
Speaker 1: Like it's there. I'm comfortable with it. But it could
Speaker 1: always be better, Like I would love to have more
Speaker 1: I would love to have more badass pass rushers. If
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory is my third down specialist, because I have
Speaker 1: another right end, that's even better. That's a great problem
Speaker 1: to have, and it probably that's what I said in
Speaker 1: the mailbag. And if your secondary is not great, that's
Speaker 1: how you that's the best way to fix it. And
Speaker 1: I know, you know, people go back and forth coverage
Speaker 1: verse pass rush and like, if you've got great coverage,
Speaker 1: that's awesome and it definitely helps. But guess what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't. So I always think about the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: You know, they had Michael Strahan o Kiwanuka and at
Speaker 1: the fifteenth overall pick, they took this freak name JPP
Speaker 1: and he you know, did they need him? Not really?
Speaker 1: But they went from comfortable to did they have tuck
Speaker 1: on that team too. Oh yeah, they were just loaded.
Speaker 1: Did you say Kenny. Kenny was on the first one too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They had so many weapons in that front, and that's
Speaker 1: why they beat the Patriot And that's and that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I think we both said I mean so,
Speaker 1: and I think I do. I think that sticks in
Speaker 1: the consciousness of Cowboy fans because that Giants team beat
Speaker 1: such a good Cowboys team with that pass Russian and
Speaker 1: obviously the Patriots and the Packers if you remember they
Speaker 1: beat all three of those teams at Place. I would
Speaker 1: be you know, if you were like, you can have
Speaker 1: those giant fronts or the Legion of Boom, I would
Speaker 1: probably take the Legion of Boom, honestly. But I just
Speaker 1: think it's way harder to put together that caliber of
Speaker 1: a secondary than that caliber of a path It's tough,
Speaker 1: but the Legion of Boom was legendary as a defense,
Speaker 1: like they will go down to Lure as one of
Speaker 1: the greatest defense. I don't think the Giants worked out,
Speaker 1: but I do think that front, that pass rush though,
Speaker 1: helped that pass rushian Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: think it's easier to help a secondary with a badass
Speaker 1: path rush that it is to have a badass secondary help.
Speaker 1: You can't cover for twelve days if you can't rush
Speaker 1: the passers. So there is also are are we counting
Speaker 1: I mean, are we counting on Gregory? Well, that's part
Speaker 1: of this question, Like do you do you feel comfortable
Speaker 1: saying he is your starter? I'm I'm sky high on Randy.
Speaker 1: Like the rules have been changed, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: I mean, knock on all of the wood. But we're
Speaker 1: almost to March, and if in case anybody forgot, February
Speaker 1: is usually when those suspensions come down, and so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic a Randy will be around. This should
Speaker 1: be the first time that he can have a full
Speaker 1: offseason in his career, whole career, in his whole career.
Speaker 1: This is the first time. It's amazed that he should
Speaker 1: be around from February until August. I feel great about it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think, you know, they
Speaker 1: redid his contracts, so like this is the last year
Speaker 1: on his deal and they got him for one year.
Speaker 1: And he's also I don't know if he's ever played
Speaker 1: sixteen games in his entire career, but that doesn't that
Speaker 1: also tell you just how good this guy is. Sure
Speaker 1: he's never had an off of course, he is a freak,
Speaker 1: and I'm very I'm excited he's here. I'm comfortable if
Speaker 1: he's the starter, But if an opportunity presents itself to
Speaker 1: add another pass rusher, I'm not gonna not do it,
Speaker 1: fortunately or maybe not fortunately. But I don't think the
Speaker 1: draft lines up particularly well to you know, there aren't
Speaker 1: and there there's no Chase Young in this class. You
Speaker 1: know that, like, oh, the Texas Calsa, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it depends on where you get him. I don't think.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about draft second round? Is
Speaker 1: he a second round gun? You're you're definitely not drafting
Speaker 1: him at ten. Let's put it that. I know that.
Speaker 1: So who is getting drafted at ten? Maybe Miami? Sounds
Speaker 1: like I keep hearing all the corners, well Gregory, Gregory Roussou,
Speaker 1: the Miami guy, and um quitty pay the Michigan guy,
Speaker 1: which don't even don't say Michigan pass rusher to a
Speaker 1: cowboy fan. So it's yeah, that's that's tough that they
Speaker 1: have to live with that, but it's a part of
Speaker 1: it unfair, but it's a thing. Well, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: teams that probably he didn't you know, that passed on
Speaker 1: Tom Brady because or you know, because they had Drew Hinson.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't compare. To be clear, that's a
Speaker 1: mistake and a dumb way to look at the draft.
Speaker 1: But that's not going to make anybody feel better about
Speaker 1: what happened with Taco. Um. So I'm comfortable with Randy
Speaker 1: and I would guess if you make me guess right now,
Speaker 1: he's probably your starter when the season gets here. But
Speaker 1: I would still be happy to try to add to it.
Speaker 1: I think something else you said in the mailbag, though,
Speaker 1: it's not just about that. It's are you comfortable with
Speaker 1: your third pass rusher? Because it was for the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, you had Quinn and then
Speaker 1: you had Alden Smith in there and then but now
Speaker 1: what are you going to do there? You know, is
Speaker 1: it gonna be Dorin's Armstrong, It's gonna be Bradley and
Speaker 1: I is he going to see the field? I mean like,
Speaker 1: is he ready to make that jump? So I think
Speaker 1: I think you're not. I think I need to add something.
Speaker 1: You had something there, a defensive defensive line, defensive end,
Speaker 1: and hope that you get a healthy tank. Tank started
Speaker 1: to see it. I mean, you started to see him
Speaker 1: last year really starting to play well and he doesn't
Speaker 1: always have to get sacks to play well. He played
Speaker 1: well at the end of the season, but he needs
Speaker 1: some help. You mentioned Aldon Smith. Amber, I'll ask you
Speaker 1: this question, do you think, based on what you saw
Speaker 1: last year, you would go back, go out and resign
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith to a longer term deal, two or three
Speaker 1: year deal even just would you have him back on
Speaker 1: this team next year? Absolutely, I would definitely won him back.
Speaker 1: I know he was dealing with some injuries and got
Speaker 1: kind of banged up towards the second half of the season,
Speaker 1: but to his credit, he was doing all the work
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. So the good thing
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything major, Like, he wasn't dealing with any
Speaker 1: major injuries. So I do feel that the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: definitely come to an agreement with him and get a
Speaker 1: good deal with him, another one year deal type of stuff,
Speaker 1: and it worked out me. I feel I would feel
Speaker 1: okay with the position. And honestly, I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: talking about defense event and all that, but I feel
Speaker 1: like there's no wrong answer here, Like I don't feel
Speaker 1: like if you were to get any other position on
Speaker 1: defense that anyone could really be mad at it. You know,
Speaker 1: there are so many needs that there's absolutely no wrong
Speaker 1: answer here. It's just like, Okay, who's the best talent
Speaker 1: out here, and let's go for it. Because you definitely,
Speaker 1: what are we doing that linebacker? I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: big question mark there. We have no idea. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a whole show. But the defense you have, you see
Speaker 1: it as well as a It's all layers. You know.
Speaker 1: You start with the defensive line, and then he goes
Speaker 1: to linebackers, and then you got the secondary, so it
Speaker 1: all trickles down and everyone it's just everyone affects each other.
Speaker 1: But I guess it just depends and it comes down
Speaker 1: to the best talent available there. But defensive end position,
Speaker 1: I would feel good if we do have Alden Smith back,
Speaker 1: and I feel like he wouldn't be an issue. He
Speaker 1: would be able to give you a lot on the field. Again,
Speaker 1: let's zoom in a little bit on Aldon Smith because
Speaker 1: I was looking at his production from last year and
Speaker 1: this stuck out to me. Four of the five sacks
Speaker 1: he had last season happened in the first three games.
Speaker 1: I think he had one in game one, he had
Speaker 1: three in Game three, and then he only had one
Speaker 1: more sack from Week four through week game sixteen of
Speaker 1: the season. In addition that almost half of his tackles
Speaker 1: came in the first five games of the season. He
Speaker 1: had twenty six in the first five games, a total
Speaker 1: of forty eight for the season. Do you attribute a
Speaker 1: lot of that to the fact that this was a
Speaker 1: guy who hadn't played football since twenty fifteen, or do
Speaker 1: you think it was just a situation where, you know,
Speaker 1: at first he was just kind of hot, and then
Speaker 1: we realized that he just may not he may not
Speaker 1: have what he needs in order to play at this
Speaker 1: level at this point in his life. What else happened
Speaker 1: at the midpoint of the season, Randy Gregory showed up
Speaker 1: and started reacclimating. So I think it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of both of those, which I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about Randy being a freak. I think it's
Speaker 1: equally impressive that a guy took five years off and
Speaker 1: even if he tailed off, he was a different difference maker.
Speaker 1: Is maybe strong for the defense that was that bad,
Speaker 1: but he was a reliable contributor to a pro defense
Speaker 1: five years after if he if he was tailing off,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, his numbers did, but I nobody caught
Speaker 1: him on that a seventy eight yard touchdown. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: and I know that was just one play against the Bengals,
Speaker 1: but it was an athletic play from a defensive end
Speaker 1: to scoop up that ball and take off like that.
Speaker 1: And I think it shows, like they've said, five years
Speaker 1: removed from football. They always talk about it an injury,
Speaker 1: you know, that first year back after an ACL injury
Speaker 1: or any injury, it's kind of tough the year. How
Speaker 1: about five years? About five years of some tough life.
Speaker 1: You know, for sure, Aldon Smith wasn't wasn't worried about
Speaker 1: some of the people that in Dallas and some of
Speaker 1: the issues people had or you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: sleeping with no heat and all that. This guy was
Speaker 1: living under cars for a while. I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: was living a really tough life. And now he's back
Speaker 1: playing and he had one year and it was a
Speaker 1: good year, and he in any other year probably could
Speaker 1: have won Comeback Player of the Year, you know, but um,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't even get many more more votes.
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a shame. Alex Smith
Speaker 1: should have won it. But Alden Smith, five years removed
Speaker 1: from football to come back and play like he did. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he. I think he's deserving of a new contract.
Speaker 1: But I don't know about the one year deal because
Speaker 1: he lost five years of He lost five years of
Speaker 1: paychecks too. He's probably looking to it if anybody, if
Speaker 1: anybody is gonna go after and deserves to like the
Speaker 1: best possible offer that he should. Yeah, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, looking at the production, I think that it
Speaker 1: might work out for Dallas, that they actually can get
Speaker 1: him for a reasonable deal. I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it is realistic to think that he could wind up
Speaker 1: back here in a not crazy deal. He did a
Speaker 1: very um interesting interview you could on our on our show,
Speaker 1: on our one of our shows, the back in I
Speaker 1: guess November December. But the thing about it, if you
Speaker 1: kind of sift through some of those comments, he also
Speaker 1: said we were building this. We next year. You know,
Speaker 1: he talked a lot about next year. Didn't really talk
Speaker 1: like an unrestricted free agent. He talked a lot about
Speaker 1: what they've been building and what they could do what
Speaker 1: they'll be next year. So I'm not sure I'll just
Speaker 1: money talks, but I'm just saying I'll throw every year.
Speaker 1: I w terribly on It's hard to put it. There's
Speaker 1: thirty two teams and all it takes is one to
Speaker 1: decide that you're the guy. And I was my jaw
Speaker 1: dropped when I saw what Robert Quinn got last year
Speaker 1: because I was I was like, you know, he's on
Speaker 1: the tail end of his career. He's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: he's more of a pass rusher than an all around end.
Speaker 1: And Chicago was like, we don't care. Here's eighty million dollars.
Speaker 1: So because they got all around goal on the other side,
Speaker 1: can afford to say give me you got to just
Speaker 1: go get the pass around the opposite side. I would
Speaker 1: like to think it's realistic, but all it takes is
Speaker 1: one team to be like, oh we can we can
Speaker 1: turn this back into the old Alden Smith and then
Speaker 1: and then we're doing a show about how he's gone.
Speaker 1: So that coy smile of them, well, it's it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be a hater, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you talked about you're talking about Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1: You know, they got him locked up and he's good.
Speaker 1: He and then the other side you can just go, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you think you should have had here, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they're playing for. Maybe, but let's not be like.
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack is the best, in my opinion, the best
Speaker 1: defensive end in football, and I don't think it's even
Speaker 1: that close. Um. I think it's unfair to just say, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you're paying for. Yeah, you have to pay
Speaker 1: because that was market price. But I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: was expecting him to have Khalil Mack type production, right.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of what sucks about it, though, Marcus
Speaker 1: market price sometimes, you know, and the Cowboys really haven't
Speaker 1: been able to cash in on that as much. Maybe
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, yes, but everybody else, I mean not really,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're about to find out. I guess
Speaker 1: with that too. But I'm just saying, you know, with
Speaker 1: Cooper and Zeke and and Delaj and Jalen, was below market,
Speaker 1: you know, that was actually did I'd take I'd take
Speaker 1: issue with Cooper. I mean, especially like Cooper didn't like
Speaker 1: set this crazy new market like he Yeah, he slotted
Speaker 1: himself right in there where he probably should be, and
Speaker 1: he had a pretty damn good season consider rights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I certainly not getting it from Zeke.
Speaker 1: I'm higher on Tank than a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: as the money is the money and he's I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not getting what the money says you should. Um
Speaker 1: who else? Jalen? Obviously? I mean we don't even have
Speaker 1: to go there. So Yeah, I mean overall, I do
Speaker 1: agree with you. That's funny. All right, here's we're gonna
Speaker 1: do um before we get to the next question. Or actually,
Speaker 1: let's go and get this question before we do the
Speaker 1: final break. Let's assume for a second they don't decide
Speaker 1: to resign Alton Smith. Do you think the third defensive
Speaker 1: end is on this team or how would you feel
Speaker 1: if the third defensive end were on this team? You're
Speaker 1: talking about guys like Dorance, Armstrong, Bradley and I Or
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys really got to go out
Speaker 1: and if you say, if what you say is true,
Speaker 1: day there aren't really great option out there in the
Speaker 1: draft that they really got to go into free agency
Speaker 1: and try to find themselves a competent um good defensive end.
Speaker 1: As their third guy. If you just listen to Jerry,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go ahead and go ahead. It's I
Speaker 1: mean we you know, I said the other day, like,
Speaker 1: this is the longest we've gone in an offseason without
Speaker 1: hearing from Jerry or Stephen because there was no Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and we're not at the Combine. But if Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones had a chance to speak publicly, I bet we'd
Speaker 1: be writing something about how Dorn's Armstrong is the next future.
Speaker 1: They love to drop him his name, It loves him
Speaker 1: some Dorian's Armstrong and I don't I don't necessarily see it.
Speaker 1: But who the hell am I? Well, the coaches did too.
Speaker 1: It was no I know, I can just hear. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm just like, somebody's crazy
Speaker 1: and I don't know right, maybe it's me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I watched every game and I look at
Speaker 1: the stats, and I look at the hidden stats. You know,
Speaker 1: I stats. You know you can find stats to tell
Speaker 1: the story, and I'm still just looking for it. I'll
Speaker 1: say this, though, what is what is the thing that
Speaker 1: endears a player to the coaching staff like nothing else?
Speaker 1: Work hard, single play work hard. You're saying, there we
Speaker 1: go contribute on special teams, and Dance Daurance was great
Speaker 1: on special teams, like he made the play for Dan Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on all the teams. He forced that fumble,
Speaker 1: Very versatile, knows his assignment. You know, he reminds me
Speaker 1: of a little bit just like of a kind of
Speaker 1: a gadget kind of guy. Is the guy I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna say that, but no, Tyrone Crawford, who is a
Speaker 1: guy that now is going to be an understricted free
Speaker 1: agent and there's doc talk that he may be done
Speaker 1: with football. But I think he's the kind of player
Speaker 1: like Tyrone. You never really looked at him and thought
Speaker 1: he was a great player, but coaches loved him. Coaches
Speaker 1: thought he was like, that's my kind of git, right
Speaker 1: that that has been a trap that this team has
Speaker 1: fallen into time and time again because and again love him.
Speaker 1: I'm I am the unofficial president of the Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: fan Club. But Jeff Heath has the game of his
Speaker 1: life against Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, and that goes
Speaker 1: from this special team's beast gadget guy should be our
Speaker 1: starting safety. And that wasn't probably a mistake, and that's this.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dorence Armstrong, if he's your fourth end and
Speaker 1: a special team's ace, that's awesome. Don't try to sell
Speaker 1: me like he's a ten sack guy, because I feel
Speaker 1: like we would have seen that by now if that
Speaker 1: was true game of his life, would have forced a
Speaker 1: fumble on Aaron Rodgers. I mean, hey, when people when
Speaker 1: I didn't hang onto that ball every year, every year,
Speaker 1: people are like, here we go talking about quarterback hand size,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, guess what it matters. Go watch that
Speaker 1: play because if he's got small hands, that Jeff heats
Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown, Cowboys make no way he's supposed to
Speaker 1: hold on that ball. Cowboys make the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: If if he forces a fumble on that players. I've
Speaker 1: never been there before. I know I even know what
Speaker 1: that is. This sport is so cruel. Came over to
Speaker 1: us at the end of that game. She was so sad.
Speaker 1: She was like, I wanted you guys to get a ship, Like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: just I mean, we're going down a rabbit hole here.
Speaker 1: But if that happens, like if he strips Rogers and
Speaker 1: they get it, they get the ball deep in Green
Speaker 1: Bay Territory. They they're probably gonna win that game, and
Speaker 1: then like all of the narratives reset because because everything like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's been thirty years since they've done this, since they've
Speaker 1: done that, And if that happens, then it's like, well
Speaker 1: it's been two or three years. That's not the crest.
Speaker 1: Then it doesn't go to championship game, just goes to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, which well, sure they have played the
Speaker 1: Falcons at home, Falcons at A and T. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean the way they're a defense actually was a
Speaker 1: pretty good on defense. That here the Falcons. Who's their coordinator?
Speaker 1: Their head coach? Ye was he calling the defensive plays?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but they destroyed that Packers team, like
Speaker 1: they beat the crap out of They were good. No
Speaker 1: one talks about that. Should have Falcons that season talk
Speaker 1: about twenty eight three, which again cruel sport because that's
Speaker 1: until they win a Super Bowl. That's all anyone I'll
Speaker 1: ever say about him at It's on T shirts And
Speaker 1: even when they do win a Super Bowl, it will
Speaker 1: still be on T shirts and people still be talking
Speaker 1: about that game. All Right, we're gonna take our final break,
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back when a flip to the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle position. Talk about a couple guys. They are a
Speaker 1: couple of young guys and what we think of them
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Speaker 1: Star presented by Geico. We're gonna talk about defensive tackle
Speaker 1: at this point, and my first question for you guys
Speaker 1: revolves around the two young guys, Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 1: They both I thought had moments where they flashed this season. Um,
Speaker 1: if you were to if the Cowboys were to go
Speaker 1: the route of signing a big time free agent, the
Speaker 1: challenge you have there is you got two young guys
Speaker 1: who need snaps in order to develop you, and you
Speaker 1: sign a big time free agent that's gonna take snaps
Speaker 1: from them, which slows their their progression. You would think, So,
Speaker 1: which way do you think the Cowboys should go with this?
Speaker 1: Do you go out and if you can, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna spend money in free agency, that's a position where
Speaker 1: you would go all in for a big time defensive
Speaker 1: tackle if you could find one. And that means that
Speaker 1: you slow down the progress of those two young guys,
Speaker 1: or do you look at this as I have two
Speaker 1: young guys, I want to develop them. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: some help in the free agent market or in the draft,
Speaker 1: but I'm not necessarily looking for a guy that's a
Speaker 1: big free agent because I think I got two guys
Speaker 1: who can play. Let's start first few, Dave, I think
Speaker 1: that probably. I mean, that just depends on the player, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and the size of the contract. Again,
Speaker 1: you can be frustrated by it all you want, but
Speaker 1: it's a very good guess that they're just they're not
Speaker 1: going to splash obscene amounts of cash. I mean, I
Speaker 1: gotta see it to believe it at this point. But
Speaker 1: I mean especially at tackle, well sure, yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: a position that they ever jump out anyways. And then
Speaker 1: they you know, so if there is a top notch
Speaker 1: tackle like unlikely they will even try to get him anyways.
Speaker 1: And then but we are we basing this on a
Speaker 1: lot of years of Jason Garrett, and maybe that's why
Speaker 1: they weren't willing to do that. Where now you deal
Speaker 1: with a different coaching staff that may have a different picture,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I mean I'm not trying to throw shade
Speaker 1: at anybody, but like we haven't talked to Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: since he got hired. I have no idea what he
Speaker 1: wants to do with this defense, unfortunately, so I'm just
Speaker 1: taking my best guests and history. Even last year with
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff, they brought in Gerald McCoy. But
Speaker 1: that's my point is talented player on the back end
Speaker 1: of his career who they got for a lesser price,
Speaker 1: which if he's healthy and wants to come back, let's
Speaker 1: go Kawan Short who is not far removed from being
Speaker 1: one of the best D tackles in football. If he
Speaker 1: can be had for a decent price. All in, I
Speaker 1: doubt and Damkin Sue wants to leave the Super Bowl champs,
Speaker 1: I would guess he just re ups with them. But
Speaker 1: if he wants to come here, all in on that too.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I think you probably just make do I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if Tristan Hill can come back from his
Speaker 1: ACL and you think you feel good about that, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I like the idea of letting those two draft
Speaker 1: picks develop. I mean Tristan was showing I mean like
Speaker 1: he was showing promise when he got hurt, and Gallimore
Speaker 1: came along. So if those are my top two, I
Speaker 1: feel fine about that, and you can fill in the
Speaker 1: depth behind him, and I think Antoine Woods will be back.
Speaker 1: I think he's a restricted free agent, so it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be hard to keep him. So it's not a huge
Speaker 1: thing for me where I'm like, we gotta go do
Speaker 1: something crazy. But if you can identify like a McCoy
Speaker 1: like last year, I mean, I know it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's their fault. Amber now I
Speaker 1: agree with everything. I feel the same exact way with that.
Speaker 1: And to me, i've maybe because it's the position of
Speaker 1: itself that is just not that attractive or you know,
Speaker 1: get many eyes on it because of it's not really
Speaker 1: a flashy position. But I just I got other worries.
Speaker 1: I got other needs that are way way higher than
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I was impressed with what Tristan Hill was
Speaker 1: able to do last year. It was very very unfortunate
Speaker 1: that he got hurt. What game was that that was
Speaker 1: the same game as that, right, Yeah, that was so soon,
Speaker 1: So it just sucks that that happened. But I do
Speaker 1: think that he's still able to come back and jump
Speaker 1: right back at it, and Gallimore he was showing some
Speaker 1: impressive stuff too. So hopefully with another year on him
Speaker 1: and just developing the guy and all that, it'll be better.
Speaker 1: But just overall, I just think that there are just
Speaker 1: so many other bigger needs than defensive tackle. If they
Speaker 1: want to bring someone in for cheap, whether that's a
Speaker 1: veteran guy like Dave said, that just works great. But
Speaker 1: other than that, I'm like, I'm way more focused on
Speaker 1: other positions. Yeah, I mean I think that I think
Speaker 1: that's the right approach. I think that's the approach that
Speaker 1: it's gonna that they're gonna take. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: the same with safety. When you're like, well they just
Speaker 1: don't do that, it's like, well they haven't done it
Speaker 1: in twenty five years or twenty years. They haven't gotten
Speaker 1: a safety like that, and they haven't gotten a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: They don't put that kind of you know, priority level
Speaker 1: on it. But maybe they should because this this isn't
Speaker 1: working like this, you know this, Maybe they should draft
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle at number ten. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's one available that's which And I was I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I can I can hear people listening saying like,
Speaker 1: how do you expect your linebackers to be better if
Speaker 1: your defensive tackles can't keep blockers off of them? I
Speaker 1: get that, I just I don't see a super clear
Speaker 1: path to drastically upgrading, Like I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: there is a defensive tackle that's worth that. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, do you think I think JJ Watt
Speaker 1: could play a three technique in a four three line?
Speaker 1: I think J J Watt could probably that the kind
Speaker 1: of guys let's let's put a name to it, a
Speaker 1: JJ Watt. Would you be willing Now again, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you got to break the bank, because I don't
Speaker 1: think you would break the bank. And maybe that's the
Speaker 1: reason why you can't get him, because some team is
Speaker 1: willing to break the bank on him. But if you
Speaker 1: could get it for a price that makes sense, and
Speaker 1: that would be an elevated price, but a price that
Speaker 1: may sense, would you look at a guy like that
Speaker 1: to bring in at your three technique lootely or if
Speaker 1: he wants to play either end, he can do that too,
Speaker 1: Like I'll find a spot for him to get J
Speaker 1: J Watt. You know I think I think you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna He's not just gonna go and change positions.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's gonna go and be Well, he's
Speaker 1: been a three he's been a defensive end of three four.
Speaker 1: That's why I say Kenny slack because it's kind of
Speaker 1: in between. You could go to one or the other.
Speaker 1: We've been a defensive end and three four, and I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys just change their defense for him. You
Speaker 1: just go straight to a three four. You know, I've
Speaker 1: said it before. I think that you know they have
Speaker 1: pieces there. Randy, Randy Gregory's a big piece. Who's your
Speaker 1: nose tackle? The problem? Well right now? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go to three four, who's that's a
Speaker 1: pea and who's your nose tack? And they don't have
Speaker 1: a guy. They don't have that guy, not a space
Speaker 1: eating guy. They don't have that guy. You gotta get
Speaker 1: You gotta get him too. The problem with JJ him too.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta sign him and say, hey, you're playing
Speaker 1: next to JJ Watt, deal with it. JJ Watt's in
Speaker 1: that very unique situation where like what I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: out on a lamb, but he's going to defy expectations
Speaker 1: because he's he's made more money than he could ever spend.
Speaker 1: Like he's done that, He's signed two or three contracts.
Speaker 1: He's all. He's in the Hall of Fame tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: he wants to win a super Bowl and he can
Speaker 1: decide where he wants to go. And so like I mean,
Speaker 1: like Tampa Bay, he would take less to play in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Or like if he wants to play with
Speaker 1: his brother, he could go to Pittsburgh. He's from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Buffalo is a piece or two away. I just think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are further away from being a super Bowl
Speaker 1: winner than about at least half a dozen you left
Speaker 1: out Green Bay. There's six to eight teams that are
Speaker 1: much that seem to be much closer to contending than
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And JJ Watt doesn't care about money stayed
Speaker 1: income tax. That's true. I'm just actually, and it's not
Speaker 1: a far movie. A lot of people, yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of them do, but that doesn't matter. It's where you're playing,
Speaker 1: Where where you work is where you get to tax you.
Speaker 1: You are uniquely positioned to way in on this because
Speaker 1: some people have made fun of me. JJ Watt is
Speaker 1: the closest thing to like the face of Houston sports
Speaker 1: in the last like twenty Like he's mister Houston. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it would matter to him because how are
Speaker 1: people in Houston gonna feel if he signs in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think that matter. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what it reminds me of. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of DeMarcus Ware when DeMarcus Square left Dallas. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to the nfcas he really didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to the NFC. He's gonna and it's
Speaker 1: because he will always be a Dallas cowboy in his mind.
Speaker 1: And so he went a whole different conference to where
Speaker 1: it's not even and now he says, I'm a Bronco
Speaker 1: and I'm a Cowboy. But he could do that if
Speaker 1: he went to Philadelphia JJ, clearly, And I'm not feel
Speaker 1: that he cares about his public image and he cares
Speaker 1: what he loves the city of Houston. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: just from all indications, And I mean, if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were on the cusp of if the Cowboys were the
Speaker 1: best team in the NFC, maybe it doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: they're not, then I just I don't think he would
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I kind of agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. All Right, you made
Speaker 1: a comment. What did you say, said, Nolan Ryan did? Like,
Speaker 1: that's the same. I don't know that Nolan Ryan, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: got it, he didn't. He didn't get what thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars for flooding in Houston and all that. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's not, like honestly before probably he's probably the
Speaker 1: next guy in line in Houston sports lore behind a
Speaker 1: Chemolari one. Yeah, probably right up there with him. JJ
Speaker 1: is gonna do what Chris Long did and sign a
Speaker 1: laughably small contract with a Super Bowl contender and probably
Speaker 1: go help them win it, which that would be cool.
Speaker 1: I like J J Watt, good for him. Who are
Speaker 1: gonna say amber something that Dave said that just got
Speaker 1: me thinking. And you know, we tend to assume that
Speaker 1: everyone just wants to come to the Dallas Cowboys because
Speaker 1: of what they are. But aside from JJ Watt and
Speaker 1: just other veteran guys, do you think they sit there
Speaker 1: and they're looking at a Dallas and be like, nah,
Speaker 1: they're They're not really gonna get me to a super Bowl?
Speaker 1: You know what they care about? Honestly, I think when
Speaker 1: when players want to come here, I think they want
Speaker 1: to come here. They'll say those things in press conferences
Speaker 1: and say, man, it's great to be able to wear
Speaker 1: the star and all that, like that's cool. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think they think about
Speaker 1: it more from the standpoint of that state income tax.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of freaking money. That is a ton
Speaker 1: of money. So playing in Texas versus playing in California,
Speaker 1: versus playing in New York or Jersey, whichever you want
Speaker 1: to put it like, there's a sizable difference in the
Speaker 1: amount of money you're gonna make when you're playing in
Speaker 1: those cities. And I do think, and people Jerry gets
Speaker 1: a hard time for this, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: legitimate playing. And we've seen it happen over and over again.
Speaker 1: Guys finished playing here, and if they have even a
Speaker 1: modicum of success, they have a lot opportunities. They want
Speaker 1: to go into media. They get shots at Jason Witton
Speaker 1: up jump the line. He jumped the line, Tony Romo
Speaker 1: jumped the line. You can't tell me if they would
Speaker 1: have been even in a city like Green Bay where
Speaker 1: you got a successful program there. You can't tell me
Speaker 1: that those guys are jumping the line like the Cowboys do.
Speaker 1: There is some value to playing in this city. You
Speaker 1: know what state also doesn't have income tax LATA. Is that? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I I have this bad feeling like we're we're
Speaker 1: about to see the closest thing to a Lebron situation
Speaker 1: as we've ever seen in the NFL. I mean, Brady
Speaker 1: showed up in Tampa and won the whole thing like
Speaker 1: it was nothing in his first year, and guys are
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, I want a piece of that,
Speaker 1: And they're going to be more veterans available to go
Speaker 1: down there. They're gonna be more veterans available than ever
Speaker 1: before because the cap didn't grow, Like like, guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be getting cut left and right, and a bunch
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be like, let me go win
Speaker 1: a ring with Tom before we were Also, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of money on that cap. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a sizeable deal, but not it's not
Speaker 1: crazy relative to how good he is and how the
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks are. Yeah, and they might have some whole
Speaker 1: suo because I think they got some free agents that
Speaker 1: were they can Godwin's a free agent r. Godwin's a
Speaker 1: free agent Shack Barrett, and they're gonna lose a few
Speaker 1: of those guys, and they're gonna replace him with quality,
Speaker 1: the JJ Watts of the world, who are like, let
Speaker 1: me take way less than market value so I can
Speaker 1: win a ring. I just maybe I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 1: just I can see that coming. It'll be interesting. It
Speaker 1: definitely will be interesting. Okay. One of the real quick
Speaker 1: question I have for you guys on the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: position right now? Where would you rank defensive tackle among
Speaker 1: all the needs that you have on this team? Where
Speaker 1: do you rank this position? Let's start first with you Amber, Uh, shoot,
Speaker 1: you call me off guard with that one. Where would
Speaker 1: you rank it? Let's let's say just on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: Let's say defensive defensive tackle, offensive linebacker, cornerback, safety. That's
Speaker 1: five positions. Where would you rank it in that five?
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because it is an important position,
Speaker 1: but to me, it would be towards the end, towards
Speaker 1: the bottom. I've been complaining about safety since forever. We've
Speaker 1: talked years, years and years. Cornerback, What do you got there?
Speaker 1: Aside from Trevor Diggs? I mean, what you really need?
Speaker 1: Help there for sure, and you need a guy that
Speaker 1: can jump right in and do the work that needs
Speaker 1: to be done. Linebacker is a whole mess. You don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. And I mean again, I know
Speaker 1: we don't want to even touch Jalen Smith because we
Speaker 1: all know what that is. But if you look at
Speaker 1: the other guy later vandersh what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: him and his injury? How at what level is he
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play once his back? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna get injured again? So too many question marks for
Speaker 1: me in those other areas of the field for me
Speaker 1: to list defensive tackle higher than any of of the
Speaker 1: rest of those positions, So for me would be at
Speaker 1: the bottom. I think it's in the middle. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's the secondary needs safety and corner
Speaker 1: and then I would probably put from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: need because I just I don't trust the Gallimore and
Speaker 1: Tristan Hills that's all I've got right now. I think
Speaker 1: they're going to give up a lot on the run.
Speaker 1: I need some I need a little bit more experience there.
Speaker 1: And then linebackers is hard to tell. I mean what,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do with Jalen Smith and they're gonna play in and
Speaker 1: then with the health of Layton and with Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, like maybe it's a big need.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a defensive end. We talked about it.
Speaker 1: It could be an upgrade, and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good position to upgrade. But as far as
Speaker 1: need go, I think I put it a third. Okay, Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rephrase it because every just everything on the
Speaker 1: defense is a need And I don't like the idea
Speaker 1: of saying, Google, that's not a need because bs like
Speaker 1: watch the games from last year, But in terms of
Speaker 1: like how comfortable I feel and how much work I
Speaker 1: feel like they have to do just in the interests
Speaker 1: of like playing games, I feel I just feel better
Speaker 1: about defensive tackle and defensive end because you have the
Speaker 1: bodies there to do it, Like you have Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: probably Antoine Woods, Neville Gallimore, Tanks not going anywhere, Randy's here,
Speaker 1: so like it won't be the best defensive line in
Speaker 1: the league, but at least you have guys like they
Speaker 1: don't have a secondary right now, And I'm terrified of
Speaker 1: their line corps. Like my feelings on Jalen Smith are
Speaker 1: well known, and you can't deny Layton's injuries at this point,
Speaker 1: it's been two years in a row and very sneakily,
Speaker 1: like it sneaks up on you. But they've got to
Speaker 1: decide on his option this year, and if they don't
Speaker 1: pick it up, then he's in a contract year. So
Speaker 1: I put it as everything in the secondary and linebacker
Speaker 1: is paramount to me. And maybe you know you don't
Speaker 1: have to draft linebackers, you at least got to figure
Speaker 1: it out, like dan Quinn's got to be, Like I
Speaker 1: can make Jalen work, pick up Layton's option. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they do those two things, then they're fine, but
Speaker 1: they might not, so that gives me a lot of pause.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel good about their defensive line, but
Speaker 1: I just think it is it's the closest thing to
Speaker 1: being complete on a unit that needs a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That's a good lead in because next week we will
Speaker 1: talk actually the week after next, we will talk about linebackers.
Speaker 1: We will zero in on that position because that is
Speaker 1: a position that has all kinds of question marks for
Speaker 1: this team, and I don't know that anybody knows the
Speaker 1: answers to those right now. Next week we're gonna focusing
Speaker 1: on free agency because it's the last show before we
Speaker 1: will do before free agency begins, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about all these free agent players at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have they have to make a decision on. We'll do
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