1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: We're here to celebrate fifty years of hip hop it's 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: impact on sports, fashion, and culture, especially here in New York. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: And I have what I consider the two trailblazers of sport, 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: hip hop, and culture. I have the God MC, the 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: LT of lyricists, the great Rock Kim, Thank you, sir. 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: And I got the purveyor of all things hip hop, 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: our tour guide over thirty years now, mister ed Lover. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, Carl, appreciate it. Nice to be here, Welcome in. 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: But before I get into the sport the culture. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: Wait, man, I'm trying to First of all, we're trying 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: to act like we don't know you. Right, Let's go, 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: let's get more comfortable with this God saying I do. 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: We've been out, You've been my dude since forever. Understand this. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: There is such a high level of respect and regard 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: that I. 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Hold for you guys. But Carl war Hole is saying him, Bro, 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: this is what we're not. We we love the giants, bro, 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: this is real what I'm at. 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: I understand that, and I love you guys. But that's 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: that's the part. I found out Rock Kim loved football 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: before rap, Right, how did that happen like they tell 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: me you was ill. 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, I thought I was going somewhere and Man, 24 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: been playing football since PO played half act the first year. 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: I love running the ball. I got up to Junior 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: High and one of the half acts was like, coach, 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: you know gwiff got on. 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: It's like your shut up, man. 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: The coach ain't saying nothing. Later on the practice, I 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: ran a touchdown. Coaches like gift throw the ball. I 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: wasn't even thinking get over there with the quarterback and 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: that was well, it was ball. 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: But I claim to fame. Man. 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: I thought that was it for me. 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Man. 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: Then Eric b knocked at my door. 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: Man, So how did that? How did that switch over 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: from you playing football to your love of hip hop? 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: Were you all at the same time when you still yeah, 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: I was all yeah. I was always rhyming. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: But I had got to a point where I got 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: real serious with football, Like I didn't. I didn't think 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: i'd be able to make a record, being honest, you 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: know what I mean, on the outside looking in. So 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, I booted up one year and said, yo' 46 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: I'm a workout hard this summer and I'm going to 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: college and you know, hopefully I can get in. I 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: wasn't thinking about how short I was, you know what 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: I mean this job. All I seen was quarterback. I'm 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: playing quarterback. But thanks having for a reason. 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Man. 52 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: I met Eric B And I think I made the 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: right decision. 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you made the right decision. How did Eric find you? 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: What's funny is the brother I played football with that 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I grew up with. Her brother named Alvin Tony just 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: passed away. 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah recip EPMD fault. Yeah. 59 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: And you know I ain't like people bringing nobody. 60 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: I ain't no to the house. 61 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: So I went to the door, peek up the out 62 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: the window and I see my man I standing there 63 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: with somebody I don't know. So I'm like, I open 64 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: the door, I'll get out, and look like he was like, yo, 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: I know, I know Roy put this brother right here. 66 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: He know Mally's mall and Magic, and he said he'd 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: you know he looking, So I gave him a look. 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, alright, man, come in. Man. So luckily I 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: had this tape. 70 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: I said, when I go to college, when people start 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: popping off, I'm just gonna put my cassette in, let 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: her speak for self. I ain't even gotta you know, 73 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: get get get involved in it. 74 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: So I had this tape. Eric Beat came. 75 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: I played that tape for Eric Beat. It had the 76 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: melody on it and a bunch of other freestyle. 77 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: My melody was on the tape on. 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: The tape already, Wow, melody was done. 79 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: Ed. I had the good fortune of being here in 80 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: New York and I got a call one day. It says, 81 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it just was right after one of our Super Bowls. 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Somebody wants to meet you, right, And it was you know, 83 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: Burpadel's has come down to Maten Lane. So I come 84 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: and it's Rock Kim and I'm like, do you remember. 85 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: That, yes, sir? 86 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, when you talk about athletes and 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm a champion, right, and you talk about athletes idolizing artists, 88 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm an artist, dude. And he's just like, 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: and I couldn't wait to tell everybody I'm a kid 90 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: from Flint, Michigan. I got lucky, right. So the reason 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: I call you the conductor, the tour guide, the purveyor 92 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: of culture and hip hop and fashion, is because we 93 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't know what people in New York dressed like. We 94 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: didn't know in some cases what they sound like. But 95 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: because of your platform at your MTV raps, you opened 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: up the entire world to how people dress in the 97 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: Bay Area, in New York. In Chicago, I saw I 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: think it was leaders of the New School wearing a 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown Starter jacket, and I saw it on MTV right. 100 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: So if you can imagine somebody in Cleveland seeing that 101 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: for the first time, they're losing their. 102 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 2: Mind over these jackets. 103 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: We wore Starter when I played, and I remember you saying, Yo, 104 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: Dre wants a jacket to wear on air. We want 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to west Starter on air. Yeah, Like it wasn't my 106 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: brand at that time. 107 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: I was just win. 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go get that so you 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: can get it. I went to the equipment manager, I'm like, 110 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: I needed three accent man, and he wore it all 111 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the time. 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: You guys wore it on the source cover where it 113 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: started all the time, on their own TV rats all 114 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: the time. But then we used to get in trouble, 115 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: so we used to hang the started tag off the 116 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: hat and just let the hat the tag hang so 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: that everybody could see that it was a star. It 118 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: was still Started because we knew that when we was 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: doing your own TV raps they get being quite transparent. 120 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: They gave us nothing, right, they didn't give us a 121 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: wardrobe budget. It was like whatever you had, you had, 122 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: whatever you can muscle up from whoever you could get 123 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: it from. That's the kind of clothes that we wore 124 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: and started was what was popping. That's what we wanted. 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: We want to help make start a pop more than 126 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: it was already popping, because we already we had our 127 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: teams that we loved. Yeah, we're giants. You know, I've 128 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: been you know how long I've been a Giants fan. 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: I love the Giants. So if I could wear a 130 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Giants jacket on and let the rest of the company 131 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: see that, this is what I represent. I represent the 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: New York Giants. I represent New York to the fullets. 133 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: I'm New York to the heart. And you can't take 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: you know, New York out of your heart. It's what 135 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: it is. 136 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's crazy because talk about that. There's 137 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: a different level of pressure to before. They say, if 138 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: you can make it in New York, you can make 139 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: it this where it's true, like the New York City lights, 140 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: that's real. 141 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like this, the energy that New York has man, 142 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: if you born here, you quickly understand it and you 143 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: would out that feeling, you know what I mean, Like you. 144 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Know, you know the role. 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, yeah, there's New York man, you know, 146 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: let me act a part, you know what I mean, 147 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: the energy, you know, everything to come with it. You know, 148 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: it's a level that we got to keep. 149 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: Man. 150 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: So I think it was just you know, understanding that, 151 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: being a part of that feeling that and yeah, a 152 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: lot of people come get caught up with it. They 153 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: don't know how to you know, shake the energy off. 154 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: They let the energy get to them. Like you know, 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: a lot of sports you know, has come out here 156 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: and the New York life is a little too much 157 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: for them. 158 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: So speaking of it was like another teammate, like when 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: we talk about you know, it's legit, like when there's 160 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, sports and celebrities and we we you know, 161 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: guys got bodyguards now and it's a lot different. 162 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: Right, there's the layers. 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Right for us, there was no layers, Like once we 164 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: knew there was love in it, and I didn't know 165 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: and said to me over dinner, He's like, as soon 166 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: as we knew, y'all was on this rap game, y'all 167 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: were one of us, right, y'all listen to our music 168 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: at first? 169 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: General, we like you artists of athletes that liked hip hop, 170 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: right Jordan them was R and B Dudes, Scottie Pippett 171 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: and all of them, and ours Grand News R and 172 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: B dudes. Yeah, y'all with hip hop dudes, So that 173 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: that really made a difference to us because we would, 174 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: you know, y'all would play our music in the locker 175 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: room and stuff like that, so we knew that that 176 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: y'all was a part of us. And going back to 177 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: what you're saying about today's artists, they travel with the 178 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: entourage of bodyguards and all of this because the Internet 179 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: made it that way, so everybody knows who they are 180 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: and how much money they got, so they have to 181 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: protect themselves. And I totally understand that. But if we 182 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: going out and I'm with Call Banks and Peppa Johnson 183 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: and Big Dog Robins, what I need security. I got 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: the biggest dudes in the world. I got world champions 185 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: that I'm rolling with it, Derrek Coleman and Jason Williams. 186 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: These dudes are six three fifty two seventy five solid. 187 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: We don't need no security, y'all worded security. What you're 188 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: talking about, Yeah, but it wouldn't been about nothing. 189 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: But we would all be from dinner to each other's 190 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: houses all night, two nightclubs that we can't even speak 191 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: of right now because it was a lot of fun. 192 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: But we saw any and everybody there. 193 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 194 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: For someone who changed how we consume rap music intellectually, yes, sir, 195 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: And someone who changed how we consume hip hop as 196 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: a culture from a fashion standpoint, even from down to 197 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: how it's played on radio. I wanted to make sure 198 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: that as we celebrate fifty years of hip hop, that 199 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: you two living legends, get the love you deserve. 200 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: Thank you, Carl, appreciate that brank you for me. I 201 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: told you this over dinner. I still pinch myself and say, man, 202 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: you're so lucky that I am on a first named 203 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: basis with rock Kim. I never thought that would happen 204 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: to me in my life. Rock Kim and every being 205 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: rock Kim came out before I was on you on 206 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: TV Rocks. Now I'm on a first name basis. I 207 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: remember sitting in the studio watching Molly and Read Alert. 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: It was just me Read Alert and Molly mal in 209 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: the radio station and I was sitting in there and 210 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: they was like, Hey, what's wrong with you? I'm like, 211 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: I cannot believe that I'm in this room with y'all. 212 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: I can't believe that y'all know me. I can't believe that. 213 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: Half the time I can walk up and say what's up, Rod, 214 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: and he'd be like, what's your name again? No, it's Ed, 215 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: Like you know, yeah, telling somebody. He did Louisville, Kentucky, 216 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: and I was hosting one time and I introduced him 217 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: and then I sat down on the box and he 218 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 2: was going, he was doing this thing. He was like, yo, Ed, 219 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: come on, help me out. You know these songs, and 220 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: I'm hype man in the Rock Kim, I'm like, yo. 221 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: I went and called my moms. I'm like, I came 222 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: full circle because people don't understand. And I would love 223 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: to take this moment to give him his flowers may I. 224 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: But if people don't understand, Rock Kim changed hip hop. 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: He's a game changer. There are certain moments and hip 226 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: hop that you can say people changed the game, right. 227 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: You can stay that meling them flashing them changed it. 228 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: Then run DMC changed it. They stripped it down right 229 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: ll came in became the first solo single superstar sex 230 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: symbol hip hop had ever had. Rock Kim changed it 231 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: because everything became less aggressive. Think about the way he rhymed, 232 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: his rhyme patterns, things that he said that no MC 233 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: had ever said, The way he put words together. It 234 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: just wasn't bop bop bop lyric bob bob bop that 235 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: rhymes with that rhyme. He changed it, and he quieted 236 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: it down and made us listen as well as enjoy 237 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: the music. But you listen to what rock Kim said, right, 238 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: You heard seven them seeds in the line seven more 239 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: brothers that think they can rhyme? Take seven more before 240 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: I go for mine. That's twenty one of them seeds 241 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: eight up. At the same time, you had to go, 242 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: wait a minute, seven coms three, that's twenty one. Yeah, 243 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: you know you had to yeah, and turn it around it. 244 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: What was the line you said, I'm all turning around 245 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: and still comes out. 246 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: All name is rath Kim Mala already a stand for 247 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 3: raw switching around still comes out all now. 248 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: Think about it, Come on now, everything with Hurrah aggression, 249 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: everything rock Kim single handedly, if you would do a 250 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: family tree of hip hop and people that came directly 251 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: from other people. There's descendants. There is no jay Z, 252 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: there's no there's no Biggie, there's no Nas. That smoothed 253 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: out style of ramenh came from rock Kim. 254 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Can I make an analogy. Yeah, that's why he's the 255 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: LT of absolutely because he's so different with LT made 256 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: it different. And people everybody that you see now, the 257 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: vond Millers of the world, the Khalil Max the world, everybody, 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: they're all descendants of Lawrence Taylor because he made He 259 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: made the game change. And can you imagine if he 260 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: had chose football, LT would have probably broke up and 261 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: we would have never had. 262 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: LT. 263 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: Was that's a lot of thing, like an't of crazy dogs. Yeah, LT, 264 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: famous man. 265 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: But that sentigy between music and fashion was it was 266 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: going to happen because you guys were hip hop fans, 267 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: so it already it had to happen. Growing up where 268 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: y'all grew up in and Thuring, the time y'all came 269 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: up with was a great time for sports and a 270 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: great time for music. I called it the Golden Age 271 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: of hip hop. It was so creative, it was so different, 272 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: it was like, the way y'all loved sports is the 273 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: way we loved hip hop. It wasn't about no money 274 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: for us. It wasn't about no money. I would have 275 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: did your TV raps if they never gave me a check. 276 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: I just loved it. I just wanted to be involved 277 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: in it. 278 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: I called myself ava TV. 279 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 2: I called myself an m C and then I heard 280 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: ll cool J and I was like, nah, I'm not 281 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: in this. Dude is different, Like I can't compete with him, right, 282 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to find my way into hip hop 283 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: some way because I loved it so much. And then 284 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: it comes on TV raps. 285 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: But what that did and what you guys did, it's 286 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: opened up the rest of the world, Yeah what hip 287 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: hop is. And I'm like, I'm looking at this picture 288 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: behind me over my shoulder is Rock Kim. He said, 289 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: he's like seventeen. He's wearing a red Giants jacket. Do 290 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you know how rare that jacket was? We couldn't even 291 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: get him as players. No Belichick wore that because it 292 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: was he was our signal caller. And like during the game, 293 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: because this is before they had wristbands, Like if you 294 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: need to get the signal and it's a sea of blue. 295 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: You just find out the red. Oh wow. 296 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he got this jacket. I'm like, this 297 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: is crazy, but I will say this. 298 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: You mean I had started jackets and you ain't hander well, 299 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: I got you. I'm talking about early on tv DS 300 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: started with weird had started jacket. 301 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: We was looking for that. Yeah about that. It's still 302 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to this day a very popular brand. But it's still 303 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: to this day the only non shoe brand that has 304 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: impacted culture from like you have sport shoes. Yeah, and 305 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: we know it's it's Nike, right, but there's no other 306 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: apparel brand that has had the impact on fashion, fandom 307 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: and culture. I mean, it's that, but it's because. 308 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't like other people didn't try it, but for us, 309 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: if it didn't, it didn't have that starts. It ain't 310 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: had that state, wasn't it. Yeah, there was other people 311 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: that came through. No, look at this, I gotta deal 312 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: with the It was like, what's that that we started? 313 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It's like people that would come to 314 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: me and dreams like, hey, I got this, look at 315 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: this stuff, and look at that stuff. And I had 316 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: teams on it and I'd be like that ain't started, 317 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: Like it don't. It ain't official tissue if it ain't started, 318 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: never was. It's the doors that that opened as far 319 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: as fashion is concerned, right, look at it. Like I 320 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: was walking down the street one day in ll i' 321 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: me in LA and I just run into this kid 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: and he had this outfit and I was like, Yo, 323 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: the jeans, that's crazy? Who did that? He was like me? 324 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: I was like you was like, what's your name? My 325 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: name called kana I do this? Yeah, And look at 326 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: how that just opened the door for us to have, 327 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: you know, our own thing. But that's the thing I 328 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: missed that I miss having our own stuff. 329 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: The fact that guys like Cana I could say, Okay, 330 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: I have an audience that's going to support right, but 331 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: I want that's a result of what you guys did. 332 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: That Like that's the trailblazing other your MTV raps. And 333 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: we're talking TV, we're not even talking about radio. Yeah, 334 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: you know what you guys did in radio morning show Radio, 335 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: the first. 336 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: All hip hop morning show in America. Well, look I 337 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: guess what. 338 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: I got a breath fix club in a morning. 339 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the Big started. They show a lot of 340 00:16:59,560 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: love though. 341 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing is that was the beginning. Yeah yeah, 342 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: and y'all did it well to the point where everybody 343 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 3: wanted to form that then. 344 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and then that was he outpaced Howard Stern. 345 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah great, Howard Stern. Like, if you're tuning into a 346 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: hip hop show, that means you got something everybody wants 347 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: to listen to that have never had. 348 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: Hip hop became became a universal thing. Yeah, you know 349 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: what I mean. I just think that sometimes I think 350 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: now it's so monetarily driven that the young artist that 351 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: coming out forgets about the love of the culture and 352 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: the love of just being a part of it and 353 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: the love of doing it. 354 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: My wish for this generation of hip hop is to 355 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: be able to have these types of conversations when they're 356 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: our age and we. 357 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: Have something to talk about, or you have something to 358 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: talk about. 359 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: Not a flash in the pan and remember when, but like, 360 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: have real substance things to talk about, and how it's 361 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: they played my music in the locker room, you know, 362 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: Or I wore this because I saw I can wear 363 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: it right, Or I wanted to get a for Dora 364 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Pepper Johnson because I saw the late JMJ. Rest in 365 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: Peace wear for Dora. And this is a true story too, 366 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: like the one would rock him. Pepper and I are 367 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: in the city on a Thursday night. There was Red Parrot, right, 368 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: Red Pairrot. Thursday night. We got a limo. So we 369 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: pull up in our Cadillac limo. We get out. It's 370 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: a limo behind us and we just just about to 371 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: go in and all we heard was Yo, Pepper Johnson 372 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: call Banks. So we turn around. It's DMC. 373 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: But DMC's got a giant jacket on. He's like this, 374 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: giants baby, Giants baby. 375 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, that's DMC. And he was with 376 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: Jay and so Jay and Pap hugged it out and 377 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: they became the best of friends. But that was kind 378 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: of the love and that merger of sports and hip 379 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: hop and then fashion because he's wearing a giant starter jacket, 380 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: that exact jacket right there. 381 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: It's about pride, it's about carrying your city on your back. 382 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: And when you're in New Yorker, you're a New Yorker 383 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: for life and you carry that around with you. You 384 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: might have been born in Flint, but you won two 385 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: championships with us, brother. 386 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: And that's the energy that was talking about, right, New 387 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: York City lights. 388 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: It's different. Different. Ain't no city in the world like 389 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: New York City. It's different. I live in Atlanta. The 390 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: energy is different when I get off the plane, right, 391 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: so here in New York the lights are brighter. Yeah right, 392 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: the pressure, but when you do it, the lights stays on. 393 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: The New York City lights stay shine. They illuminated that 394 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: for real. You could be hot from somewhere else. And 395 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 2: this is the funny thing about New York, right, you 396 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: could be one of the top rappers to this day 397 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: from somewhere else and don't care how many millions you sell. 398 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: And you walk up to a club door in New 399 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: York City and that look at you like, what's your name? 400 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: If you rock him and that lover, it doesn't matter 401 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: what city we go to. We walk on that door, 402 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: we getting in fact, yeah it's a difference. 403 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt you know. But before we go, I 404 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: have a special gift for you guys, just to I 405 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: just wanna make sure that you are honored the way 406 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: we honor with the starting brand. Let's make sure we 407 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: get you right. 408 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: Yes, sure, Oh wow, oh my god, oh wow, that's crazy. 409 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: Look at that. Thank you Bro, five voe in the building. 410 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, Thank you all so much. Started, thank 411 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: you you. 412 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: Got to get me one more and put the five 413 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: eight on it for me, five eight on it for. 414 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Me, Man. That's incredible. Guys. 415 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, man, and I just want to 416 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: say I love you both. Thank you from the depths 417 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: of my cultured soul. As you guys have been such 418 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: an influence save here. 419 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: Bro my life. 420 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: Like you talk about influencers, you guys have been that 421 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: influence and us. 422 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: So much, man, that we can't even begin to thank 423 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: you for your friendship and for the love and for 424 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: how much pride that you have given us. Your whole era, 425 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: your whole squad of giants made us walk around this 426 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: whole country like you. 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm happy, and I bet you 428 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: every one of my teammates are happy that you guys 429 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: are proud of us, because that's what we want. We 430 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: want to make our fan base proud and our closest, 431 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: our closest friends ass fans to feel a sense of 432 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: pride when you talk about your team. 433 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you ride a die baby. I'm still with y'all. 434 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: Now. 435 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: We don't write the ship, but I'm still I ain't 436 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: going nowhere, no doubt. Every time I say, don't realk 437 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: it in the game, no more to chance to make 438 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: me shick that Sunday. Come on now, y'all, come on, yeah, 439 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: I'm hooked, man, I'm done this right well for life. 440 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: Thank you fellas, my man. This is so dope.