1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. Let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's go Giants. The Giants mobul give me some job. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to a Wednesday preview edition of 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants. The Giants get ready on 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: a short week to host the Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: Night Football. I am John Schmelk, Normal preview show coming 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: your way. We're gonna have Bob Popay and Carl Banks 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: with Brian Dable. We are going to have my interview 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: with Bobby o'caake, and then Dave Spidaro from the Philadelphia 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: Eagles team website would join us to preview the team. 14 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: So we're gonna lead off with my interview with Giants 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: middle linebacker and Captain Bobby ocaaka. All right, back for 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you 17 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants, joined by 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: Giants middle linebacker and Captain Bobby Ocake. 19 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Bobby, what's going on, man? 20 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: How are you? 21 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: I'm good to say thanks for doing this man. I 22 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: know it's a short week. You got a lot of 23 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: stuff going on, sir, all right, so let's get to it. 24 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: How do you think about the defense last week? Because 25 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: you've got a lot of calls on our calling shows 26 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: about the defense, and my answer has generally been, well, 27 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: if you take the takeaways a wain the points that 28 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: came off of those, do you guys give up sixteen 29 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: points almost a third of the yards you gave up 30 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: or a quarter came on that one play the Rashiet 31 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: shahad Ye. 32 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: But at the same time, no takeaways, no sacks. 33 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: So when you look at the defense and how you 34 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: did against Saints last week, how do you look at it? 35 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Tough. 36 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: You know, our number one emphasis was obviously to stop 37 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 4: the run. I thought we did a pretty good job 38 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 4: of doing that. Limited them to less than three yards 39 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: per carry, So it was good. You know, we knew 40 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: that was going to be a physical running attack. Obviously 41 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: we got to liliminate the explosive plays. Set ourselves up, 42 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: you know, to be successful when the field position, battle 43 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 4: with our offense and make big plays like he talks about, 44 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: get sacks, get turnovers. You know, any game as a 45 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 4: defense you don't get any turnovers, it's hard to expect 46 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 4: to win. So we just got to have a conscious 47 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: effort and you know, have tenacity, you know, to create 48 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: those big plays. 49 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: All right, you mentioned the rush defense. Did you think 50 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: that was the best fundamentally sound rush defense you guys 51 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: have played all year? 52 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: For sure, And obviously we knew they were a little 53 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: bit more one dimensional. They wanted to run the ball. 54 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 4: There are a lot of thirteen personnel, get the tight 55 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 4: ends involved. Kamara is obviously the future guy. But yeah, 56 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 4: definitely an identity game and just a growth game for 57 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: us in stopping the run, and you know that's what 58 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 4: we need with, you know, consistency with that going forward. 59 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: What do you think you did well with it? Was 60 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: it fitting the gaps? So what was it about the 61 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: run defense that it allows you to be successful? 62 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? 63 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: I think was everything really just from d lineman to 64 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: defensive ends, to safeties to corners to linebackers, kind of 65 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: everybody understanding where you know your counterpart is fitting on 66 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 4: the on the defense and you know, we talk about 67 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: it in the linebacker room. You know, details and violence, 68 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 4: details about position, whether it's leverage, whether I'm inside outside 69 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 4: of splattering this guy. And you know, at the end 70 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 4: of the day, changing the math. You know they're gonna 71 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: have a guy for a guy, a puller for a puller. 72 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: But uh, you know, physicality, you know wins in football. 73 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: You talk about math. 74 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: How tough does it make the math when you know 75 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: last week you got like Taysom Hill back there, this 76 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: week you go out like Jay when Hurt back there? 77 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: How does that change the math? 78 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: And how you guys have to fit an approach you 79 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback, the guy getting the ball 80 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: that can also be a guy you have to account 81 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: for one hundred percent. 82 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: You know, that's this emerging land escape of the NFL. 83 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 4: Once a quarterback can run, it becomes eleven on football, 84 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: eleven man football. So you know your post safety's got 85 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: to be keyed in because that quarterback can take off 86 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: and change the math pretty quick. So yeah, it's a 87 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: unique challenge like it is every week in the NFL. 88 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: How's Darius Mousseau coming along. He's been playing a huge 89 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: role since Mike and Big Fatting got hurt. 90 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he's coming along excellent. He's always been a 91 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: really smart kid, plays with great energy. You know, he's 92 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: finding his groove in the defense. You know, he's figuring 93 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: out how I play, how the d lineman play in 94 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: front of him, and it's been exciting to see him 95 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 4: get better and better every week. 96 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: He Di missed that game two weeks ago and Abdul 97 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: Carter basically at the turn back the clock two years 98 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: from his next to last year of Penn State and 99 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: play off ball linebacker with you. 100 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that like? 101 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: And kind of wasn't crazy seeing him a guy that 102 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: really wasn't asked to do that much on early downs 103 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: in the summer just kind of get thrown in there 104 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: and being asked to do that. 105 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun. 106 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: I thought he hit an elite mentality and demeanor about it. 107 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: You know, whether I've always said whether he lines up 108 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: a defensive end three tech at linebacker, you know, he's 109 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: got the mentality he's going to make a play. So 110 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 4: I thought he did a great job. He played physical. 111 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: He's such a dynamic player, so a lot of times 112 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: he's cutting up the front and I'm just flowing behind him. 113 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: One of the guys playing in front of you that 114 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: you know started the season as in inactive in week 115 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: one and now he's coming along. He's getting penetration, getting 116 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: the backfield. His rookie Darius Alexander. Yeah, what have you 117 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: seen from him in the progress that he's been making 118 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: in front of you on this defense? 119 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? Growth. 120 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: You know, he's an exciting player. He's got great length, 121 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: great physicality, great football IQ. So just the growth growth 122 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: process that comes with that. Obviously, he's got great competition 123 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: in that room guys, you know, bringing him along with Dex, 124 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: Nacho Roy, guys playing really well up front, even DJ. 125 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: So it's you know, kind of that mentality competition berees excellence. 126 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: But you know, as a rookie, it's that growing process. 127 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: How about you your fourth in the NFL and tackles 128 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: this year? 129 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: They tackle numbers are back where they work traditionally in 130 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: your career, I think you have the highest stop rate 131 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: percentage to cause unsuccessful plays among the linebackers. One of 132 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: these crazy advents that's that you're basically stopping guys when 133 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: you have to for losses or not allowing them to 134 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: get allowing them to get the first down. How do 135 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: you feel like you're playing in this defense this year 136 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: and how much progress I think you've made from when 137 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 3: you had to kind of cut your season short middle 138 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: of last year. 139 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I'm getting better and better every week. 140 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, going back to LA season, 141 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 4: that's what I was doing. Obviously, new scheme, you know, 142 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 4: figuring out just play style, responsibilities. But I feel like 143 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: towards the end kind of before I got hurt that 144 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: Cowboys game, you know, I was flying around, making big hits, 145 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 4: had that force fumble that got called back. So to 146 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: be back playing now, obviously, I just feel blessed, and 147 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: you know, I'm improving every week. Obviously, the tackles are 148 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: a standard for me, just be a sidelined, a sideline 149 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: guy who can fly around, but just expecting, you know, 150 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: some big plays, some force fumbles, some pictures start coming in. 151 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: You know, I'm excited. 152 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: Do you see that with the other new additions to 153 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: this defense too? The word Robertson Harris is the Chauncey 154 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: Golsten's the Paulson Deebles of Javon Holland. As they're playing 155 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: more and more, do you think more is coming from 156 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: those guys as they continue to get used to what 157 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: they're being asked to do a. 158 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: Hundred percent, And that's when you have a growth mindset. 159 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: Obviously we're in the performance business, but you know, I 160 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: think everybody thinks results in progress are going to be linear, 161 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 4: and sometimes you know, the trajectory is up and down, 162 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: and you know, sometimes you got to get in the 163 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 4: rhythm and a feel and. 164 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: It's not a straight line. 165 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's time on task. 166 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: And you know, the guys who trust the process and 167 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: keep putting the work day after day, you know it comes, 168 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: and it comes, you know, very fruitfully. So we just 169 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: trust our process and we keep going to work every day. 170 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: Now you've been here long enough. 171 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: When you guys think about the Eagles rivalry in that 172 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: locker room, what do you guys think about it? 173 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: How do you see it? 174 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 4: I mean obviously physical, run game, physical aligne Jalen Hurts, 175 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 4: super Bowl winning quarterback. You know, never sleep on a champion. 176 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 4: So having all those things in mind, and obviously Saquon 177 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: adds an extra piece to that. You know, I said earlier, 178 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: he's an elite player and you know he's got potential 179 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: to be the best player on the field anytime he's 180 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: on the field. So just extremely excited for the matchup. 181 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: At the same time, the run game has not been 182 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: as effective this year as it was last year. Saquon's 183 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: at three point two yards per carrier. That is the 184 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: lowest of his career. His longest run is seventeen yards. 185 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: That is very strange considering what we saw them do 186 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: last year. They were banging out long runs again and again. 187 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 6: Yep. 188 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: What's different is this scheme different? Is the execution not 189 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: the same? What do you see that's different from the 190 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: run game last year compared to this year? 191 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I think early on in the season, obviously 192 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: everyone's got a whole year of tape on you, so 193 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 4: they're studying you. Got people are going to the game 194 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: saying we're not going to let Saquon rip off sixty 195 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: yards seventy yard runs. So yeah, that's kind of you know, 196 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 4: as you have success in this league, guys you know 197 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: watch film on you and they try to eliminate that 198 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: make you play left handed. So just very excited for 199 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: the matchup. Obviously they can hurt you in the past 200 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: game and the run game, so it'll be fun. 201 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 3: Now they have a new offensive coordinator, but Nick Sirianna 202 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: is still there and Jalen Orts is still there, so 203 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: they're not gonna have that many changes. Do you see 204 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: a lot of differences with the new offensive coordinator beewing there, 205 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: just in terms of how they're trying to attack schematically, not. 206 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: Per se obviously, you know, only five games in the season, 207 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: you know, limited limited, limited tape for sure, limited data points, 208 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: but similar run game. They like their pullers, they like 209 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: their zone scheme. Really just like to get saquanted space 210 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: and whether it's in tight spaces where you know he 211 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: can make a guy miss in the whole or get 212 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: him run to the sideline where he can make guy miss, 213 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: you know, he presents a unique challenge. 214 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: Jeff Statlin one of the best offensive line coaches in 215 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: the league. What are some of the telltale signs of 216 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: a Jet Statland offensive line, Whether it's the schematics in 217 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: the run game, which you just talked about, or just 218 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: the attitude in which the guys play. 219 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, attitude, physicality upfront. Obviously they got really great tackles, 220 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: physical upfront with their center and go arts, some pole schemes, 221 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: some one off tackle pulls, some some center folds, some 222 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: zone schemes with a polar in there so some cross 223 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: counteraction with the back and the pollers going the other way. 224 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: So you really got to be on your p's and q' 225 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: as a linebacker, and you know this is this is 226 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: what you want. 227 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, these are fun games. 228 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: Is what makes the Eagles difficult. We talked about Hurts 229 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: as a runner. Barkley is a run of their offense line. 230 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: But at the same time, they have two monsters in 231 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: wide receiver, They've got it the tight end. So how 232 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: do they try to present that as the main problem 233 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: that the defense has to deal with? Right, you want 234 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: to press up against the run, but once you let 235 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: these guys get behind you on those incuts and stuff 236 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: like that, then you get those big plays in the 237 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: middle of the field. So how is the linebacker you 238 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: deal with those two parts of their offensive attack? 239 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: For sure? 240 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 4: You know, you just have great discipline and great eyes. 241 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: You know, you study throughout the week and try to 242 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: get a key whether you know offensive lineans and a 243 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: three point stance or two point stance, whether he's leaning 244 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: back or heavy. But you just trust your instincts out 245 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: there when you see pass. You know, just have discipline, 246 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: knowing where you need to get to in your spot 247 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: because a lot of time it's timing throw, so you 248 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: just got to get in that window. And then when 249 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: it comes to the run, just playing with the elaite physicality, 250 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 4: and it's a lot easier on the offense when they're 251 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: in second and four, second and five than when they're 252 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: second and eight, second and nine. So try to keep 253 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: them behind the sticks, playing in the yellow and playing 254 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: in the red. 255 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: Final question. 256 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: I know you're not studying their defense, but I know 257 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: at every position, game respects game. Zac Bond had a 258 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: great year last year, and their rookie Gi Campbell's having 259 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: a heck of a start to his career too. 260 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 261 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: Have you watched those guys at all and kind of 262 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: what do you think of those two guys as maybe 263 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: what could be one of the best inside linebacking pairs 264 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: in the National Football League? 265 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have. 266 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: I thought Zach Bonn had an incredible season last year. 267 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: You know, just a guy who run around sideline a sideline, 268 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 4: playing the mic position, getting guys lined up and you know, 269 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 4: getting picks, getting forced fumbles and getting his hands on 270 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: the ball. Stuff that you know all linebackers pride ourselves on. 271 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: So I think he started off the year to a 272 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: great He's got off to a great start this year, 273 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: and you know the rook's been playing really well too. 274 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 4: Doesn't really look too much like a rookie. You know 275 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 4: he's playing fast and you know he's playing physical, so. 276 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: He's also huge, like he's like an old school like 277 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: two one hundred and fifty five pounds linebacker. 278 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he can run too, so you know it's exciting. 279 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: You know, I think I feel like every week in 280 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: the NFL, you know, you try to measure yourself against 281 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: the linebackers you're playing that week and try to face 282 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: off against them, so you know, competition. 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The Official Bank 295 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: is the Giants from game day celebrations to your everyday 296 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: financial needs. Big Blue Fans and get the most out 297 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: of every moment with citizens learn more at citizens bank dot. 298 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: Com slash Giants. Let's go to Dave Spidarro. 299 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: We've had him on many times. He covers the Eagles 300 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: for the team site. All right, and now we welcome 301 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: in Dave Spidarro. He covers the Phoadelphia Eagles for the 302 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: team site. Dave's joined us many times to talk Philadelphia Eagles. Dave, 303 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: how you doing today? 304 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: Short week, always a rough one. 305 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, John doing well. 306 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 8: Really interesting start to the Eagles season, and I think 307 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 8: the NFL season for a lot of teams really a 308 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 8: feeling out process in September and now it gets kind 309 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 8: of real, so we'll find out what the Eagles and 310 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 8: the Giants. 311 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: Are all about. 312 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I want to talk to you about. 313 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Eagles new offensive coordinator, Dave coming off the 314 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: Super Bowl obviously, what has it been like trying to 315 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: see what this offense looks like? And this is something 316 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and your team have gone through over the 317 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: last couple of years when they, you know, lost Kella Moore. 318 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: So how how has this looked this year and why 319 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: do you think it hasn't quite come together yet? 320 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 8: Well, look, to back up it's been it's been Shane Stikeen, 321 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 8: Brian Johnson, Kellen Moore, Kevin Pittulo. 322 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: It has been extremely. 323 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 8: Inconsistent, and I cannot tell you what this Eagles offense 324 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 8: is all about. There have been some glimpses of really 325 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 8: good offense, particularly in the past game, but most of 326 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 8: it's been defined by a maddening inconsistency. 327 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: And the run game has just not been there. 328 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 8: And so there are a lot of people pointing a 329 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 8: lot of fingers at a lot of different places, and 330 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 8: everybody is, you know, shares in responsibility. But to me, 331 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 8: it always goes back to the offensive line. And in 332 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 8: years past the Eagles have just dominated on the offensive line. 333 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 8: But this year, you know, they came into the season. 334 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 8: Landon Dickerson had two surgeries in the offseason, Cam Jurgens 335 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 8: the center, had a surgery. Lank Johnson's been banged up 336 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 8: throughout the course of the year. So they just have 337 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 8: not gotten anything going. 338 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: You know. 339 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 8: Saquan's longest run is seventeen yards. He is a far 340 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 8: cry from the two thousand yard runner of last year. 341 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 8: It's not him, it's there's just nowhere to go there. 342 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 8: The negative plays in the run game have been you know, 343 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 8: quadruple what they were last year. So and then the 344 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 8: offensive the pass game has been just you know, hit 345 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 8: and miss. And on Sunday against Denver they had to 346 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 8: go and for a while and then it went away. 347 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 8: And so it's been like a good quarter here and 348 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 8: two bad quarters there, and then Eagles somehow straight through 349 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 8: and won the first four games, but all that cut 350 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 8: up to them in Week five against Denver. 351 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you about Saquon. 352 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned the lack of explosives, and that 353 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: to me, Dave, watching some of your games is what 354 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: jumps out to me. You talk about the offense once. 355 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: I won't go back there. Does it look like Saquon 356 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: has a little less juice coming off as almost five 357 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: hundred touch season last year or do you think this 358 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: is pretty much a product of the offensive one. 359 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's a product of the offensive line. 360 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 8: I mean we saw him on Sunday run a wheel route, 361 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 8: ran ray pass Alex Singleton of the Broncos forty five 362 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 8: yard touchdown catch and run, and so I don't think 363 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 8: it's a lack of explosiveness from Saquon. He has had 364 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 8: not a single opportunity really to get into the second 365 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 8: and third level. It has been stop, start, and look, 366 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 8: I mean, I get the whole narrative about Saquon and 367 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 8: the Giants and people wondering if you lost it, and 368 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 8: it's It's not like Saquon Barkley all of a sudden 369 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 8: last year became a great running back. 370 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: He's been a great running back his whole career. 371 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 8: In New York. When it worked for him in New York, 372 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 8: the offensive line open holes. When it didn't work for 373 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 8: him in New York, the offensive line didn't work open holes. 374 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 8: And when it's worked in Philadelphia, the offensive line worked holes. 375 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: And right now they've got to get back to that. 376 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 8: Because the offensive line is not opening holes and the 377 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 8: running game has not worked. 378 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and in more ways than any other position. I 379 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: think running backs you're beholden to the circumstances around them. 380 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm absolutely with you on that, Dave. 381 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: All Right, so we hit the run game with the 382 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: offensive line. How about the passing game here? It seemed 383 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: like last week the Eagles saw a lot of Manta 384 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: man defense, or at least they saw some opportunities to 385 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: get the ball to the wide receivers. Aj Brown and 386 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: DeVante Smith were very involved, but we still haven't seen 387 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: those guys explode yet this year either. What do you 388 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: think is kind of standing away of that passing game 389 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: from blowing up? 390 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of things. 391 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 8: Look, I mean, there's been obviously a lot of media 392 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 8: attention spent in the direction of aj Brown and his 393 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 8: frustration with the offense. He has not really gotten unleashed yet. 394 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 8: We saw a little bit from DeVante one hundred and 395 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 8: fourteen yards receiving against Denver, so he got going a bit. 396 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 8: They went to the vernical passing game against Denver and 397 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 8: hit some plays down the field against a really good secondaries. 398 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 8: So I think the Eagles feel like, maybe that's a 399 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 8: really good sign and we'll see on Sunday or rather 400 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 8: on Thursday night you're against the Giants. But I don't, 401 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 8: I don't, I don't know. I can't put my finger 402 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 8: on it. Again, I always go back and everybody shares it. 403 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 8: Maybe it's maybe it's getting used to what Kevin Patula 404 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 8: is trying to do with the offensive scheme. 405 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 406 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 8: But I never point a finger at one thing. It's 407 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 8: it's a combination of everyone, and that's usually the case. 408 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 8: But the Eagles have not been nearly as effective throwing 409 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 8: the football. You know, generally Aj and Davante are impossible. 410 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: To match up against. They've used a good bit of 411 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: Dallas Carter the tight end. 412 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 8: Look the way the Eagles won the first four games 413 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 8: John they were eleven for eleven in the red zone, 414 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 8: eleven trips to the red zone, eleven touchdowns, They committed 415 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 8: just one turnover, and they were able to win football games. 416 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 8: Against the Broncos on Sunday, they were one for two 417 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 8: in the red zone, so that missed opportunity really hurt them. 418 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 8: They kicked a field goal instead of a touchdown, and 419 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 8: they did not win the turnover battle. So the margin 420 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 8: for error has been extremely, extremely thin. And that's, you know, 421 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 8: generally the way it is. It's really hard to win 422 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 8: the Super Bowl and come back the next year with 423 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 8: that same explosiveness, the same freshness in. 424 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Your legs long season before. 425 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 8: So, but then the Eagles also go look ay, last 426 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 8: year twenty twenty four, they struggled through four games two 427 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 8: and two, they had a bye week, they came back, 428 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 8: they barely beat the Cleveland Browns, and then they took off. 429 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 8: So I think they're hoping for this game against the Giants, 430 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 8: is maybe a point where they start the upward ascension offensively? 431 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, David, I think you hit it. And this 432 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: is the final question on the offense. 433 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: We've seen this with the Eagles before, right where they 434 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: started slow and they figured it out. Now in some 435 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: years like twenty twenty three, they didn't figure it out. 436 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: So what's your feel in terms of how this group 437 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: is working together? Do you feel like this will come together? 438 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: You know, guys aren't gonna get frustrated with lack of production, 439 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: lack of touches, all that stuff. Do you have a 440 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: good feel for this group that they're holding it together 441 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: as they kind of figure things out as a unit. 442 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 8: I think that what's really really going to be telling 443 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 8: in this game is the Giants excellent, deep, young, aggressive 444 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 8: defensive line. How will the Eagles offensive line match up 445 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 8: against the Giants front? And we look again, if you're 446 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 8: not winning up front, you're not winning offensively. It doesn't 447 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 8: matter who you have with skill positions. We have seen 448 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 8: teams blitz the Eagles through five games and the Eagles 449 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 8: not really make them pay. In the past, they had 450 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 8: answers to the blitz, whether it was Jalen hurt scrambling, 451 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 8: whether it was a hot read, just not a lot 452 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 8: of answers. So, I mean, I want to see can 453 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 8: the Eagles handle what the Giants have up front? 454 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: That will be very telling to me. 455 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 8: Until this offensive line gets it going to the level 456 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 8: that they've played at the last several years, it's gonna 457 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 8: be really hard. I mean, the hallmark of Nick Sirianni's 458 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 8: teams here have been it's been physical play, the lot 459 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 8: of scrimmage, and a run game. They've always been able 460 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 8: to run the football. That is what's been missing just 461 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 8: from the foundation of this offense. 462 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so Dave, let's jump to the defense. 463 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: Not surprisingly, I think mcfangio's helpings together pretty well heading 464 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: into his second year there. 465 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: And it starts with your two defensive tackles. 466 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: And we know Jalen Carter is awesome, but it looks 467 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: like Jordan Davis is in the best shape of his 468 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: life and playing the best ball of his life. 469 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's played. 470 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 8: Really well, and he's been very solid and made some 471 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 8: big plays both on defense and of course special teams 472 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 8: against the Rams with a block field goal in return 473 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 8: for the touchdowns. 474 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: So that's been good. 475 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 8: Jalen Carter has not been as dominating as he was 476 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 8: last year, and he was arguably the best defensive lineman 477 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 8: in the league. That has not been the case in 478 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 8: terms of production this year, so he's got to get 479 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 8: back to that level. They've played pretty well defensively, they 480 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 8: have not had the pass rush that they would like. 481 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 8: They've lost some people off the edge, certainly coming into 482 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 8: a season where Brandon Graham retires, Josh Swt signs with 483 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 8: the Cardinals, Bryce Huff gets traded to the forty nine ers, 484 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 8: you're down a bit. You're counting on some young players. 485 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 8: Nolan Smith, juniors on injured reserve. Jlex Hunt still hasn't 486 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 8: gotten to that next step that the Eagles expect him 487 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 8: to get to. They've had to go on out and 488 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 8: they've goneut and gotten Zadarius Smith, who's been a productive player, 489 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 8: a nice, really veteran piece to this defense. So the 490 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 8: front has been good, not great, and in the past 491 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 8: we've seen it great and that set up everything fortunately 492 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 8: for Vic and the defense. John Campbell, the first round pick, 493 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 8: is on his way to being a very very very 494 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 8: good player phenom if you will. I mean, he's played 495 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 8: everywhere off the edge coverage. He's played well against the run. 496 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 8: He's been bothered by a biceps injury a little bit, 497 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 8: so it'll be interesting to see how he does against 498 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 8: the Giants. 499 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: Here. 500 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 8: Zack Bond, the Eagles find of the century and free 501 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 8: agency a year ago, signed the contract. 502 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: He's been outstanding. 503 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 8: They've gotten pretty good play in the back end, so 504 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 8: they've held it together as well. Have not had the 505 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 8: number of takeovers takeaways that they liked it like to have, 506 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 8: but they've had some timely ones red zone takeaways against 507 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 8: the Cowboys, against the Chiefs, against the Rams, that has 508 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 8: helped the Eagles, I'm sorry, against the Bucks. 509 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: That has helped the Eagles get to four to one. 510 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: All right, two more, Dave real quick. It's funny. 511 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: I feel like the Eagles one of their weaknesses was 512 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: always are inside linebackers, and now all of a sudden, 513 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: you got Zack Bond there you mentioned him, and gi 514 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: High Cando's playing great. 515 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: That's almost the strength of this defense now, No, yeah. 516 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 8: It is that John Campbell is really an outstanding young player. 517 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 8: Zach Bond is every bit as good as he was 518 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 8: last year. Nikobe Dean's practice windows open, so he'll be 519 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 8: coming back. 520 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trotter Junior is a good reserve piece. 521 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 8: They're really excellent at linebacker, and to use them in 522 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 8: a lot of different ways, and that versatility has helped 523 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 8: Vic Fangil kind of structure the defense and take away 524 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 8: favorable matchups and give the Eagles that advantage. 525 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the great young players in the secondary. 526 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: Mitchell Dejean mccuba's come on, done really well, Dave, you 527 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: could give me something on the young guys. And then 528 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: what's going on with that second outside corner position. What's 529 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: that looking like? Dori Jackson, Keelee Ringo. How the Eagles 530 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: tried to piece that together? 531 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: It was all really good. 532 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 8: Now, Denver came on with eighteen points unanswered in the 533 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 8: fourth quarter on Sunday, picked apart the secondary bit. So 534 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 8: that's a bit of a concern because there's a blueprint 535 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 8: here and teams are gonna copy that. But Mitchell's been great. 536 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 8: Mitchell's taken the next step. Dejene is an outstandling tackler. 537 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 8: Outstanding tackler. He's played little outside, he's played nicol, he's 538 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 8: played safety, very physical kid, excellent football player. Macuba has 539 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 8: had a couple of key takeaways one against the Cowboys, 540 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 8: the end zone interception against the Chiefs. 541 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: That turned that game around. 542 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 8: Slight guy, but really finds the football and read blanket 543 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 8: Ship the veteran back. There's a solid player, So they've 544 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 8: been good. The cornerback two been tough a Dori Jackson 545 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 8: really got picked on. 546 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: Early in the season. 547 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 8: Cowboys really went after him, and so that's they've replaced 548 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 8: him with Ringo. Last week against the against the Broncos, 549 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 8: he got picked on a bit after playing well against 550 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 8: Tampa Bay. So cornerback two has been a spot and 551 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 8: the Eagles are trying to figure that out. And when 552 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 8: you don't really get the pass rush, a cornerback spot 553 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 8: is going to be in jeopardy and then it's going 554 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 8: to be a target and teams are looking at that, 555 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 8: and so Vick's been trying to cover that up a bit, 556 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 8: hoping that either Jackson or Ringo would step up, or 557 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 8: Jacry and Bennett who they acquired from the Raiders in 558 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 8: the preseason. 559 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: None of that has happened. 560 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 8: So it's a work in progress, I would say with 561 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 8: that cornerback two position. Otherwise, not a bad group in 562 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 8: the back end, and they've kept teams off the scoreboard. 563 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: It seems like the last two weeks day and I'll 564 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: rap with this the second half. Eagles have a great 565 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: first half, they shut down a couple teams, and the 566 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: second half it's gotten away from a little bit. 567 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: Has there been a common thread between those two games. 568 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 8: That's the common thread of this football team, John, I 569 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 8: mean offensively and defensively. Look, they have won, as I said, 570 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 8: by the offense being great in the red zone. They 571 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 8: have won by being really good on special teams. They 572 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 8: blocked the two field goals against the Rams. They opened 573 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 8: the game against Tampa Bay with a block punt to 574 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 8: set up the offense for a touchdown. The defense has 575 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 8: kept teams off the scoreboard, and they've taken the football 576 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 8: away in a timely manner. And that's it. And so 577 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 8: this is a team that's living on a very very 578 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 8: narrow margin of victory and that has been reflective in 579 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 8: five games. I mean that is the way every single 580 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 8: game is gone looking really good and then a dry period. 581 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: Looking good. 582 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 8: Dry period has been very very inconsistent. The Eagles have 583 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 8: been able to some victories and now they're looking to 584 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 8: take that you know, middle of the season here and 585 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 8: play better football. They realize on Sunday it found it 586 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 8: get all caught up to them. 587 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: They can't get away with. 588 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 8: Inconsistent football, lack of attention to details, and just playing 589 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 8: on the edge against good football teams. It caught up 590 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 8: to them Sunday. They hope it doesn't catch up to 591 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 8: them against the New York Giants. 592 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: Dave, awesome stuff. We'll talk to you Thursday. Thanks so much. 593 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Thanks John. 594 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 7: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 595 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 7: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 596 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 7: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 597 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 7: to Citizens. 598 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care. 599 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 7: I'd like to learn about a million routine. Yes, I 600 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 7: knew I could help make sense of your money with Citizens. 601 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: Good stuff from Dave Spidaro. Don't forget folks. 602 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: The Giants most a five K Racing Kids weren presented 603 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: by Quest on Sunday, October twenty six, nine am a stadium. 604 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: Net Proceeds will benefit the Giants Foundation, a five oh 605 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 3: one C three nonprofit corporation. All participants will receive a 606 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: commemorative T shirt after the race day for a post 607 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: race festival with appearances by Giants legends, and a live 608 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: DJ Rogerson now with Giants dot Com Slash five K. 609 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: Now we turned the head coach of the Giants Bob 610 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: Pop and Carl Banks talk to him. 611 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 9: Short turnaround is the Giants take on the Eagles. But 612 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 9: as always'd like to welcome in my co host Carl Banks, 613 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 9: two times Super Bowl champion and the head coach of 614 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 9: the New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach. Obviously, very 615 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 9: frustrating game on Sunday, but now you got this short 616 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 9: week to turn it around. How do you process that 617 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 9: with your players to kind of flush it but not 618 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 9: forget it. Well, tuesdays like a Friday, so there's really 619 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 9: no time to you go through it. 620 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 5: We went through. 621 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 9: It on the plane ride home the coaches and we 622 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 9: were right onto Philadelphia. 623 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 5: You know, the players. 624 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 9: Are coming in doing the things that they need to 625 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 9: do and get ready and watching their tape and you 626 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 9: know we'll have two productive walkthrough days. But it's the 627 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 9: same for every team that has to plan on Thursday night. 628 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 6: Coach, you know, having sat in the locker room and 629 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 6: been through adversity, they are good things that you focus 630 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 6: on meaning as a team that people outside don't. But 631 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 6: then when you look at the stats, it says, well, 632 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 6: they were one hundred percent in the red zone scoring 633 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 6: touchdowns to field goals. Tho, that's improvement, right, There's well 634 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 6: the team held them the field goals instead of touchdowns. 635 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 6: But then as a group, because it is a team effort, 636 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 6: the one play here that negated all of that, or 637 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 6: the five fumbles here that negated all of that. But 638 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 6: you still have to focus on the things that you 639 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 6: did well so that you can continue to build on those, 640 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 6: but yet get rid of all of the mess. 641 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, red zone has been something we've been 642 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 9: working extremely hard on, and I thought early in the game, 643 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 9: you know, we were good offensively and had a couple 644 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 9: of action passes down there. Jackson made a nice throw 645 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 9: and and eighty four made a nice catch, and defensively 646 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 9: did a good job in. 647 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 5: The red zone. That was a positive. The run game defense. 648 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 9: Something we've been working on, and we knew Camara was 649 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 9: going to be a big, you know, big threat. I 650 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 9: thought we did a good job in that area. And 651 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 9: then it goes back to you know, explosive plays. Gave 652 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 9: up one defensively that we shouldn't have and had multiple 653 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 9: opportunities down the field to make plays that really could 654 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 9: have changed the beginning part of the game. But ultimately, 655 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 9: when you when you turn the ball over five times 656 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 9: and don't get any turnovers, it's you know, close to 657 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 9: zero percent chance of getting what you want to get, 658 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 9: which is a w So I thought the quarterback did 659 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 9: a lot of good things. You know, obviously he'd like 660 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 9: to have that fumble back, but we got to do 661 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 9: a better job of protecting the ball. So, speaking of 662 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 9: that coach coming into this week's game against the Eagles, 663 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 9: obviously they're coming off their first loss, but being able 664 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 9: to get some chunk plays because in the last two games, right, 665 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 9: longest pass against the Chargers was eighteen, longest play from 666 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 9: scrimmage against Saints twenty. It's hard to go on a 667 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 9: lot of fourteen play draws, isn't it. Yeah, I mean, 668 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 9: but this is what Vic's gonna do. H Coach Fanjo 669 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 9: is notorious for that. We've we've competed against them many 670 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 9: of times at different spots, and you know, he does 671 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 9: a good job of you know, preventing explosive plays, playing 672 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 9: tight underneath, making you earn it. 673 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 5: We're gonna have to do a good job with that. 674 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 9: But again, when you have an opportunity to make an 675 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 9: explosive play when need you to come down with those 676 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 9: So again, they help big time scoring points. But if 677 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 9: they're not gonna they're going to stay way back and 678 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 9: they're going to make you drive it, then you have 679 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 9: to do a good job of executing on a consistent 680 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 9: basis like we did early in the game. 681 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 5: Coach. 682 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 6: When you play a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, they are, 683 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 6: you know, kind of the goal standard in terms of 684 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 6: excellence and wins and losses. It takes playing above the 685 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: exis and obles when those players are there, but it 686 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: also takes mental stamina. You've got to always stay locked 687 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 6: in so that nothing creeps up on you like a 688 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 6: blown coverage when the game is on the line. 689 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 9: Absolutely, and all their games this year have come down 690 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 9: to seven points or less. I think they're a battle 691 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 9: tested team with a lot of good players. They've been 692 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 9: successful for a long time. They've got good defensive players. 693 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 9: They good defensive players are doing a heck of a 694 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 9: job and special teams with their block kicks. 695 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 5: That's why they're where they're at. 696 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 9: You know, I had a tough game last week against 697 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 9: Denver that Denver hung in there and I think score 698 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 9: eighteen points in the fourth quarter, which is a hard 699 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 9: thing to do. But you know, they're they're top of 700 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 9: the line man coachum. When you look at them defense, 701 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 9: you mentioned Vic Fango and then they got Jalen Carter 702 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 9: in the middle just to kind of anchor everything. How 703 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 9: do you deal with them over play in play out, Yeah, 704 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 9: a lot of people are trying to. You know, it's 705 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 9: like dealing with decks. You have a dynamic interior player 706 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 9: that can, you know, demand double teams. But it's hard 707 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 9: with some of the fronts that they play the six 708 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 9: man stuff where they have everybody up at the line 709 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 9: of scrimmage from their base stuff and two outside linebackers 710 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 9: on the end a line of scrimmage for defensive linement 711 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 9: in you know, try to create single matchups for their 712 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 9: defensive lineman. And you know, again it's a it's a 713 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 9: challenge when you're playing against a dominant interior player like 714 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 9: that how to allocate your help to him. The edge 715 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 9: guy is a little bit different when you're when you're 716 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 9: game planning, because you can get a tight end or 717 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 9: a back and chip and things like that. 718 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 5: But the interior stuff we're gonna. 719 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 9: Have to do a good job of making sure we 720 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 9: know where he's at and trying to allocate as many 721 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 9: guys we can to him. Coaching is almost like you 722 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 9: know you're picking your poison right when playing again, teams 723 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 9: have been very committed to not let them run wild 724 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 9: against them, but then they get you in other areas. 725 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 9: Stained discipline is very important, right, not trying to make 726 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 9: the hero play or else as it leads to a breakdown. Yeah, 727 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 9: doing our job, you know again, I thought we took 728 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 9: a step in our run defense last week and we're 729 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 9: going to need to continue due to that this week. 730 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 9: Dynamic player in Saquon. We have to be gap sound, 731 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 9: control the line of scrimmage, make our forced players come 732 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 9: up and tackle. 733 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 5: But then they have, you know, legit perimeter threats. 734 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 9: Two excellent receivers, really really good receivers that are going 735 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 9: to require you know, good coverage coach. 736 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 6: Last one for me is when you talk about those 737 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 6: perimeter guys out there. You you know Smith from Alabama, 738 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 6: But is this one of these conversations you have with 739 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 6: your defensive backs, like you can never relax because the 740 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 6: game could be going one way. Brown can break a tackle, 741 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 6: He's a big, physical guy and Smith can get behind 742 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 6: your defense, So you just have to stay really locked 743 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 6: in on whatever the coverage responsibilities are. 744 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, anytime you have two I'd say very very 745 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 9: good to dominate players on the perimeter. That makes a 746 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 9: challenging on the defense. And then you know, do you 747 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 9: want to add play man, do you want to play 748 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 9: zone because you know Hurts can get you in any coverage. 749 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 5: To be honest with you, he's not much. He hasn't seen. 750 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 9: I think he's done a tremendous job in this league 751 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 9: of playing a quarterback position and winning a lot of 752 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 9: football games. And whether you get zone and he reads 753 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 9: it out or again, he's one of the terms of scrambling. 754 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 9: This year he's got the most yards or near the 755 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 9: top of the league in terms of scrambling. So you know, 756 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 9: you got to pick your poison when you're playing this team. 757 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 9: Saquon to two receivers, Hurts off, that's Linder. You know 758 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 9: they're pretty good cult. We appreciate it a couple minutes. 759 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 9: I know it's a tight week. Luck on Thursday, Thanks guys. 760 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: Good stuff from Brian Dable. 761 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: We thank him, Dave Spidara and Bobbio Cake for joining 762 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: us on this special Wednesday preview edition of the Johnsttle Podcast. 763 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us. Everybody enjoy the game on 764 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 3: Thursday night.