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Speaker 2: I was also told they was just did not bring

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Speaker 2: Well, how can you believe that these people aren't playing

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Speaker 1: Right, It's it's like, but it's called if you're going

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Speaker 1: So say I'm the ugliest of all time, But you

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Speaker 2: So are these New York housewives those girls? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: this is it? It could be. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: And as I talk to all of these women, they're

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Speaker 1: I've been deprogrammed from this experience way longer than even you.

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Speaker 1: You still had like you still have like PTSD. So

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Speaker 1: the machine, and they all have so much that's damaging

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Speaker 1: And each of them say that they've been promised like

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Speaker 1: Or the other day said, you know, he's like my brother.

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Speaker 1: Don't you go to your brother's house with Thanksgiving? Like

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Speaker 1: what do you mean he's like your brother. You've never

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Speaker 1: housewives on different things, whether it's sex or money or

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Speaker 1: with he and I. He always want to hear about businesses.

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Speaker 1: What am I doing in business? Like what am I doing?

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Speaker 2: Like you too?

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Speaker 1: Right, So we all thought he had a different relationship,

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Speaker 1: and he feeds off that because he has all the power,

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Speaker 1: and we all get so dirty, and he stays clean.

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Speaker 1: And they get everybody else to rat each other out

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Speaker 1: and to kill each other and to whack each other,

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Speaker 1: but they remain clean and they thrive on the power.

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Speaker 1: I watched that show, and he remains clean. Well, not anymore,

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Speaker 1: not anymore, not anymore. That's a reed.

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Speaker 2: That is a reed.

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Speaker 1: That that was not.

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Speaker 2: No, that was all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what else? What else? That was?

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Speaker 2: That was it? That was all in