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Speaker 1: Heay, So, hi, pl, how are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Good to see you.
Speaker 1: I know I've missed you. I was so sad to
Speaker 1: not good to be with you guys on the last
Speaker 1: ones because I've been shooting Grace. But I'm really glad
Speaker 1: that James sisters got to come in. And I watched
Speaker 1: all the Cliffees and they looked so good.
Speaker 4: It was so much fun. They did not disappoint. Where
Speaker 4: in the world are you right now? Look like you
Speaker 4: are in a library.
Speaker 1: I am in my den and I have bookshelves. My
Speaker 1: whole family is here for Thanksgiving, and so my off
Speaker 1: us has been temporarily put in my garage so that
Speaker 1: I can use it as an extra bedroom, and I
Speaker 1: am yeah. I had to like tuck myself into the
Speaker 1: corner today and sorry for the intense What is this?
Speaker 1: This is? I need joy to tell me, Like what
Speaker 1: the proper sound of your throat is when you lose
Speaker 1: your voice. But I feel like I sound like somebody's
Speaker 1: cool aunt who like smokes cigarettes and drinks whiskey.
Speaker 4: Yeah. A friend who does voiceovers calls it the cool
Speaker 4: guy rasp. Oh, it's like that vocal fry that trying
Speaker 4: to be like dramatic and dreamy at the same Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, why do you feel we both just did for
Speaker 1: the listeners at home. As soon as we started impersonating
Speaker 1: that person, we both started squinting. What is that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I can't do a douchebag bit
Speaker 4: without without like squinting my eyes. Like Jenny will see
Speaker 4: me from across the room starting to walk towards her
Speaker 4: with the stupid eying, and she's like, nope, nope, don't,
Speaker 4: I don't want It's just what we do. Episode seven twenty,
Speaker 4: Season seven, Episode twenty that is Learning to Fall. I know,
Speaker 4: how has it been twenty episodes already?
Speaker 1: It's really crazy.
Speaker 4: It's been so much fun, But I am also shocked
Speaker 4: that we are almost ending the season already. That's crazy Anyways.
Speaker 4: Air date May third, twenty ten. Nathan and Hailey struggle
Speaker 4: with the aftermath of her mother's death, while Brooke deals
Speaker 4: with the fallout of Alexander's tryst with Victoria.
Speaker 1: Oh, trist is a gentle word.
Speaker 4: It is a gentle word. Alex discovers a secret about
Speaker 4: her leading man Josh that could derail Julian's film, and
Speaker 4: Quinn is confronted by an unhinged Katie That's putting it mildly.
Speaker 4: Directed by Greg Prange, Written by Shana Fuel and Renee
Speaker 4: Until can you help me with this one? Into their cover? Wow,
Speaker 4: what first crack at it? You nailed that a These two.
Speaker 1: Are absolutely incredible. God, SHANEA. Fuel just was such an
Speaker 1: amazing addition to our writer's room, and I thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, these episodes that they did together as a
Speaker 1: team were just phenomenal, So I'm so excited that they're
Speaker 1: doing their thing.
Speaker 4: This episode was fun, man.
Speaker 1: This episode was really fun. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: I forgot some of the details as they so closely
Speaker 1: related to Brooke and Julian's life. But the first note
Speaker 1: I have, because I wasn't with you all.
Speaker 5: Last week, is Paul Teal was blackmailing, Like I had
Speaker 5: a full I had forgotten that Josh was behind that,
Speaker 5: and I I was so I guess same.
Speaker 1: It also feels like a you know, an important moment
Speaker 1: in the timeline of when we are recording. I don't
Speaker 1: know if if you guys have spoken about this already,
Speaker 1: but we actually just lost Paul t Heel and it's
Speaker 1: it's such a surreal thing to have gotten that update
Speaker 1: after we'd all just been talking about the introduction of
Speaker 1: Josh and you know that he did the rehearsals and
Speaker 1: the workshops for Joy's musical of the Notebook that she
Speaker 1: was working on at the time. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just so weird because these things feel like they
Speaker 1: were just yesterday, and also like they were so long ago.
Speaker 1: And then I think in that kind of time warp
Speaker 1: of like the memories we all made together, when someone
Speaker 1: tragically passes away, it's just so heavy and I I
Speaker 1: feel really grateful that like in this moment we get
Speaker 1: to you know, watch his work and that it really
Speaker 1: is such an important storyline, and just kind of felt
Speaker 1: the need to voice my appreciation for him and sent
Speaker 1: some love to his family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got into it a bit last week. You know,
Speaker 4: Enjoy was sharing her experience with him because I sort
Speaker 4: of only knew of him just sort of in passing,
Speaker 4: because we didn't really have anything together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys never worked together. Your storylines didn't overlap.
Speaker 4: At this point, right, you know, but Joy has worked
Speaker 4: with him intimately for an extended period of time, So
Speaker 4: she was just speaking to what the lovely guy he was,
Speaker 4: how he couldn't have been any more different than Josh
Speaker 4: the character. Yeah, and just sort of celebrating what a
Speaker 4: great guy he was. So yeah, absolutely heartbreaking, devastating, lost,
Speaker 4: thirty five year old guy. It's so sad, so much
Speaker 4: love and Comhirst to his family and loved ones right now.
Speaker 1: And you know, he had that thing that prior to
Speaker 1: us recording, when we were just you know, testing our
Speaker 1: mics and talking about this week, like he and Amanda
Speaker 1: Shawl both, you know, they do this thing in their
Speaker 1: storylines right now where they they play these unlikable or
Speaker 1: scary people and they're just like two of the sweetest
Speaker 1: humans on earth. So I don't know what, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was that. You know, our casting people
Speaker 1: had such a knack for making sure that folks who
Speaker 1: came in to like ruin someone's world on the show
Speaker 1: were actually so kind to be around. So I feel
Speaker 1: really lucky for that.
Speaker 4: What's interesting is I wonder if when they cast Amanda
Speaker 4: as Sarah, if they had an inkling that they were
Speaker 4: going to be doing this down the road. I think,
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak too soon, but I believe
Speaker 4: we're going to have Amanda on next episode and spoiler alert,
Speaker 4: hopefully that still happens. But the wise, I apologize, but
Speaker 4: I can't wait to ask because I am curious if
Speaker 4: it was one of those situations where the audition material
Speaker 4: was one scene Sarah and then another scene a bit
Speaker 4: more ominous, much more Katie like, because.
Speaker 1: She wonders it I had forgotten.
Speaker 4: I knew the broad strokes of this storyline, but I
Speaker 4: didn't remember any of the gallery stuff that happens in
Speaker 4: this episode. And she made me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Oh, she like makes my stomach get tight. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like such a visceral response of anxiety, and she's
Speaker 1: so she's so still. Yes, she's terrifying.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was going to say. There is
Speaker 4: a calm and a confidence to her crazy that is
Speaker 4: deeply unsettling. Mm hmm, I want let me run something
Speaker 4: by you, because I did have this moment of going
Speaker 4: This sort of seems to be a theme just in
Speaker 4: storytelling in general, where once a character goes full crazy,
Speaker 4: they go full cuckoo pants. They also simultaneously become an
Speaker 4: expert cat burglar. Like as soon as people go off
Speaker 4: the resident they lose their mind. Then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden they're able to pick locks, scale second story balconies.
Speaker 1: Apparently turn off people's alarm systems exactly.
Speaker 4: That's the one thing I found myself going, like, hey,
Speaker 4: when she in the opening scene when Claying quit her
Speaker 4: sleeping and she's just standing on the balcony.
Speaker 1: By the way, on the balcony and they've got her
Speaker 1: leaning like the Marlboro man, I was like, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? I would have felt so much more unease
Speaker 1: if I'd seen her walking and like trying a door handle,
Speaker 1: but she's just kind of leaning. I was half expecting
Speaker 1: her to be like slow smoking a cigarette. It was
Speaker 1: so odd the stumus, But maybe the oddity was was
Speaker 1: kind of the point is that like it's supposed to
Speaker 1: feel creepy and weird.
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of the stuff that I kind of
Speaker 4: initially went, huh at, I think when you look at
Speaker 4: it under the lens of someone unhinged, all of it
Speaker 4: makes sense. But I agree with you too because I
Speaker 4: had the note of after this scene, I was like,
Speaker 4: what's the endgame to that move? Because if you're the stalker,
Speaker 4: it's usually about power and about control, right, So like
Speaker 4: what would have made sense was she put like like
Speaker 4: a picture of Sarah on like the table on the balcony,
Speaker 4: like something to let you, like, let Clay Quinn know
Speaker 4: I have access to you, yea. And the fact that
Speaker 4: she just stood there for her own satisfaction. I thought,
Speaker 4: first of all, you're a great climber, Katie, way to go.
Speaker 4: And second, okay, like all right, but like they didn't
Speaker 4: they don't know, so again it was it plays into
Speaker 4: the creepy. But I did find myself going, was that
Speaker 4: was that as far as your plan went, just gonna climb?
Speaker 4: Because also she couldn't really even see them, there were
Speaker 4: curtains between her and them.
Speaker 1: Well the curtains were drawn because she's in a silhouette
Speaker 1: on the other side of the curtain. So again it's
Speaker 1: why for me, I'm like well, why wasn't she walking
Speaker 1: around the balcony trying to get into the house. It
Speaker 1: just felt weird. And then even later when she clearly
Speaker 1: breaks into Quinn's gallery because when Quinn gets to work,
Speaker 1: she unlocks the door with her keys. Yeah, Katie smashes
Speaker 1: the photo of you, and then Hot plays hide and
Speaker 1: seek and then pops back out.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm like.
Speaker 1: How'd she get in there? Where is said Locke picking kit?
Speaker 1: But then she's back in the sort of storeroom with
Speaker 1: Chantelle and she's just so creepy. It's just like the
Speaker 1: jump scare of her appearing when she hangs up the
Speaker 1: phone with you. Ye, that really got me And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay to Shay, I'll forgive the balcony because
Speaker 1: that was really.
Speaker 4: Well that And again, I think the other thing I
Speaker 4: can I can explain away all of this is you
Speaker 4: can't apply logic to an to illogical behavior. So in
Speaker 4: other words, she's not thinking through these plans with rationale,
Speaker 4: like she's just she's just going for it. She's just
Speaker 4: taking swings and not really thinking about the repercussions. So
Speaker 4: all of it and under that lens I can buy.
Speaker 4: But I had the same kind of moment, I don't
Speaker 4: know that you did, but like I thought, okay, so
Speaker 4: you went to a gallery, you bought one photo. Okay,
Speaker 4: you've paid for it. We know because when I talk later,
Speaker 4: Quinn says it's already been shipped, which means payment has happened.
Speaker 4: So you went to a gallery, you bought one photo,
Speaker 4: you then broke into the gallery to smash the one
Speaker 4: photo you have paid for and then Lee it's like, really, yeah,
Speaker 4: It's like it was odd. Then if that's the case,
Speaker 4: why'd you pay for it? Friend? Or why don't break?
Speaker 4: Why don't you break the other ones and leave one's
Speaker 4: standing exactly?
Speaker 1: And then the weird thing too. I love the way
Speaker 1: they had this whole conversation kind of in code, because
Speaker 1: Katie's like, I want him now, even though she just
Speaker 1: broke it, and then Quinn's like, I've already shipped it
Speaker 1: and it's behind her, and I'm like, oh man, we're
Speaker 1: really we're all doing this thing. I like that. I
Speaker 1: actually always like when I can see the things people
Speaker 1: are actually saying under the words they're choosing to use.
Speaker 1: So I loved that part of it. But I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, yeah, Quinn's just gonna like meet she's going
Speaker 1: to meet this chick's crazy a little bit and be like,
Speaker 1: I've already shipped it, per your instructions, even though it's
Speaker 1: clearly inframe. And I was like, oh, I like this,
Speaker 1: and it kind of gave me the proof of what
Speaker 1: she said to you, like she's about to see how
Speaker 1: unstable I can be. I was like, Oh, we're really
Speaker 1: going to throw down. I'm loving the girls like going
Speaker 1: to for tat here.
Speaker 4: Except I think though in that exchange where she says
Speaker 4: I've already shipped it, it is not on the storeroom
Speaker 4: floor anymore. It's now in the back room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so oh wait, she says, I've already shipped, And
Speaker 1: then the next conversation is in the storeroom because.
Speaker 4: In that I love that moment because Quinn knows that
Speaker 4: Katie is the one who did this, and Katie's lying.
Speaker 4: So Quinn is playing the game and she's bluffing back,
Speaker 4: going yeah, it's already been shipped, waiting to see if
Speaker 4: Katie's gonna go okay or I know it's here, and
Speaker 4: sort of implicate herself. So it was this fun like
Speaker 4: in real time. Quinn was just very sharp and caught
Speaker 4: it and went no, you wanna bs, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: s with you and smile while I do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, And it was a very cool way for her
Speaker 1: to say the thing without saying the thing, which is,
Speaker 1: I'm drawing a line in the sand. This is my territory.
Speaker 1: You're never going to be with my partner. Like it
Speaker 1: was a really well written scene. Like again, hats off
Speaker 1: to Shana and Renee because I was like, ooh, it
Speaker 1: made me feel kind of excited to watch quin get
Speaker 1: to stand up like that. And to your point, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like very sharp.
Speaker 4: And there was such an element of threat and danger
Speaker 4: to it. I love that Amanda was holding a giant
Speaker 4: jagged excuse me, Katie was holding a giant jagged piece
Speaker 4: of glass. Yeah, and you know, there's such I think
Speaker 4: the easy I think the trap for a less experienced
Speaker 4: actor is crazy means I'm going to do the most. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you big eyes and wild mannerisms.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like like an experience actor is playing drunk.
Speaker 4: How they always overplay it, you know, and Amanda does
Speaker 4: the experienced thing of no, I'm gonna play it subtle.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show you in my eyes and the result
Speaker 4: is just that scene where she has Quinn cornered trapped
Speaker 4: felt so much like the Apex Predator and the Deer.
Speaker 4: We were just like, yeah, how does this end?
Speaker 1: And to your point, because she just had that massive
Speaker 1: shart of glass, which gave me flashbacks to Ghost, I
Speaker 1: was like, don't kill Patrick's lazy? Like I I really
Speaker 1: liked Greg's choice as a director because you understand that
Speaker 1: she you get the jump scares, she's revealed she's followed
Speaker 1: Quinn into the back silently, and because he kept the
Speaker 1: framing tighter on Amanda the whole time, I was like,
Speaker 1: does Katie still have the glass? Does Katie still have
Speaker 1: the glass?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: And that was it. I just thought it was like
Speaker 1: a very cool choice on his part because I, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know if she had a weapon,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what her plan was. And Amanda's stillness
Speaker 1: played into that because if she'd been waving her arms
Speaker 1: around freaking out, she would have actually seemed like less
Speaker 1: of a threat. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a sense of control and power to stillness,
Speaker 4: you know, And that's right. I do even think about
Speaker 4: the framing of it, but that's such a good point
Speaker 4: because then you don't know that was good. Well done,
Speaker 4: Well done done.
Speaker 1: Team.
Speaker 4: We talked about this last episode, but I have been
Speaker 4: loving seeing Brooke and Julian finally happy. Yea, Brooke getting
Speaker 4: a break from the tears.
Speaker 1: It's so nice. It's nice to have a good time,
Speaker 1: and it was really nice to get into what, for
Speaker 1: me as an actor was always some of the favorite
Speaker 1: work I got to do Brooks sort of you know, flustered,
Speaker 1: like fl mixed comedy. I always really enjoyed and being
Speaker 1: able to do it because Victoria's the ones screwing up
Speaker 1: was so fun. Like I just love being able to
Speaker 1: freak out at Daphne and have her be completely unbothered
Speaker 1: by it and just love it. Like it was always
Speaker 1: a really fun dynamic for us on set on the
Speaker 1: days where we got to shoot scenes like.
Speaker 4: This, And there's a fun dynamic that we got to
Speaker 4: see in seven nineteen that we're seeing again in seven
Speaker 4: twenty where it's Brooke being the parent chastising Victoria in
Speaker 4: the child role. Yeah, you know, it's the second time
Speaker 4: it's been a sit down. Brook has sat down Victoria
Speaker 4: and Alexander to have a talk and the result is
Speaker 4: so funny. I was confused when somehow Victoria gets confused
Speaker 4: for Brooke when the story broke.
Speaker 1: I mean, we are in a moment where our hair
Speaker 1: is exactly the same, and if I remember correctly, like
Speaker 1: this sort of big blowout kind of you know, side
Speaker 1: part like thing that we're doing. We really did try
Speaker 1: to make her and I look very similar. And there's
Speaker 1: the one shot. I can't remember which scene it's in,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's when we're looking at the computer at
Speaker 1: the store and she's over my shoulder, and really, I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: we look so much alike. It's bizarre. I mean, even
Speaker 1: my mom is like, she looks so much more like
Speaker 1: your mom than I do. It's kind of a trip.
Speaker 1: And so this idea that everyone just sort of assumed
Speaker 1: that Brooke and her coworker would be the ones in
Speaker 1: cahoots because her face was mostly blocked if I said
Speaker 1: inappropriate act kind of tracked for me comedically. I loved
Speaker 1: it and getting to be so mad that people think
Speaker 1: I'm my mom, Like it's great.
Speaker 4: And of all the people to be confused with for
Speaker 4: scandalous behavior, how funny. It's your own parents, your own parent,
Speaker 4: it's not your your dumpster fire best friend. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: it's my mom actually. But I think the only reason
Speaker 4: why I I bumped on that was because there is
Speaker 4: such a funny moment in seven nineteen. It's the button
Speaker 4: Victoria has. I get the confusion, but the thing is,
Speaker 4: she does this hilarious, slow, deliberate walk away from Alexander,
Speaker 4: stepping over mouth and she looks down at mouth and
Speaker 4: it skills and she goes scandalous. That's just scandalous.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: So I think the reason my eb bumped is because
Speaker 4: it was such a powerful, hilarious Victoria moment that there
Speaker 4: was no way of like, who else was there? Because
Speaker 4: I was like, that was the funniest line of the episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what For me in my brain,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that's exactly how things go,
Speaker 1: Like the telephone game gets played yes, and someone recounts
Speaker 1: the story and someone goes, no, you must have that wrong,
Speaker 1: and then it, you know, within two hours it's become
Speaker 1: something completely different, and god, it's just so funny. Daphne
Speaker 1: is so funny and in that very parental moment for me,
Speaker 1: you know, sitting them down. One of the things I
Speaker 1: really loved was watching them sort of have this conversation
Speaker 1: about like, well, I don't care if everyone knows. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't care if everyone knows, and they're flirting in
Speaker 1: front of me, and it's just like, this is this really?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You know, And it's fun to play
Speaker 1: that dynamic because you're right, it's such a role reversal.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see where it goes because when you
Speaker 4: had that moment when Brooke goes, oh, are you not ashamed?
Speaker 4: I thought that was going to be the end of it.
Speaker 4: I thought that was the moment that Victoria's going to say, well,
Speaker 4: now that the cat's out of the bag, this has
Speaker 4: lost its appeal. But the fact that they it turned
Speaker 4: into a flirting moment of like I'm not you, No,
Speaker 4: I'm not. I don't remember where the storyline goes, So
Speaker 4: I'm excited to follow it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're just doubling down. It's great. I'm just
Speaker 1: realizing because I'm looking at my notes and we are
Speaker 1: talking about them the banter again that Shana and Renee
Speaker 1: gave us in that scene. I'm calling this the blunder
Speaker 1: down under instead of the thunder, and Victoria immediately saying, well,
Speaker 1: the flag needs to be much bigger, Like, it's just
Speaker 1: the way we get to bite back and forth at
Speaker 1: each other, and she's justifying it saying cougar's are in now,
Speaker 1: and then Brooks response immediately is have fun with your
Speaker 1: cub like it just the wit in this and whether
Speaker 1: it's comedic like they gave to us, or really sharp
Speaker 1: and quick like what they give to Quinn in response
Speaker 1: to Katie. I just think the writing in this episode
Speaker 1: is so top notch.
Speaker 4: It's great. I also loved the way that they explained
Speaker 4: why Clay hadn't said anything to Quinn about Katie, because
Speaker 4: that was a big beef I had, right. I was
Speaker 4: saying this to Joy last week. I don't unders stand
Speaker 4: you could go and have that experience and not come
Speaker 4: home straight to your partner and go you are never
Speaker 4: gonna believe what just happened, right, Yes, But I love
Speaker 4: how they explained it here where she says, hey, man, like,
Speaker 4: why didn't you say anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And he was like, what was going on with your mom?
Speaker 4: It didn't feel like the right time, yes, And I
Speaker 4: had totally lost track of that, so it I went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: obviously that is not the time to be bringing that
Speaker 4: story up.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've experienced that more than once
Speaker 1: in my life. Like something happens and you don't go
Speaker 1: to the person you normally would go to, or you
Speaker 1: don't bring it up in the moment because someone has
Speaker 1: just lost a parent or someone you know. I had
Speaker 1: this happen recently with a friend and it wasn't even
Speaker 1: over anything like serious, but there was something we hadn't
Speaker 1: talked about. And when we talked about it, she was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how did I not know this in real time? And
Speaker 1: I was like, cause your dog died. Like when someone's
Speaker 1: fourteen year old pet passes away, you're not going to
Speaker 1: like bring up something that seems to suddenly be not important.
Speaker 1: And it's like, whether it's the most serious thing which
Speaker 1: I've seen when you know years ago when a friend
Speaker 1: lost a parent, or it's something that you know feels
Speaker 1: more trivial on that scale. But someone's like, wait, I
Speaker 1: would have wanted to know about that in real time.
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to be there for you. And
Speaker 1: it's like you had bigger going on, And I think
Speaker 1: that's a really human experience. And so even in the
Speaker 1: context of something like top of scale, how crazy this
Speaker 1: is that Clay is having this experience Quinn's mom's dying.
Speaker 1: Of course he's not like, what's more important than that?
Speaker 1: And to your point, I thought it was a really
Speaker 1: really smart choice, and I thought you played it so
Speaker 1: well because it wasn't It wasn't like a thing where
Speaker 1: someone gets a little testy, like, well, obviously I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to make it about me. It felt like this
Speaker 1: really intimate moment for the two of you, and not
Speaker 1: her being mad that you didn't tell her, her just
Speaker 1: being like how could I not have known this? And
Speaker 1: you being like how could I have talked about this
Speaker 1: at that moment? And it's it's two people being really
Speaker 1: generous with each other, and I don't know, it felt
Speaker 1: very timely because I was like, man, I've I've experienced
Speaker 1: this multiple times. My friends are experiencing versions of this
Speaker 1: right now, Like it is really human and you just
Speaker 1: don't always know you know when the right time is
Speaker 1: when you're trying to I think respect other people's experience.
Speaker 1: And I loved the way you guys played that well.
Speaker 4: And that's another kind of testament to I think also
Speaker 4: the writing, but both Clean Quinn are gentle with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in other words, she doesn't hit him with the why
Speaker 4: didn't you tell me about this? Tone? Yeah, which then
Speaker 4: puts him in a position to not have to respond
Speaker 4: on the defensive. Yeah, where it's not like your mom was,
Speaker 4: you know, he is able to go like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: this is what was happening. I remember. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 4: a nice meeting ground when you can kind of both
Speaker 4: enter into it, like with that sort of compassion and
Speaker 4: kitty gloves with each other.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you put it that way, because
Speaker 1: I also feel like that's what Millie and Marvin are
Speaker 1: doing with each other, you know, her willing to check
Speaker 1: on him and see if he's okay, even though she's
Speaker 1: really sad and knows he's in this weird, confusing place,
Speaker 1: Like I really, you're like, yeah, of course. I was
Speaker 1: glad eventually when Brooke showed up, especially because they could
Speaker 1: relate this. You know, the skills in Mouthfight is very
Speaker 1: Brooke and Bayden in high school, and it's nice to
Speaker 1: see the history of their friendship feel so relevant. But
Speaker 1: I actually loved that Millie got there first, and I
Speaker 1: loved that she chose to and to your point, she's
Speaker 1: being really gentle with him, and because she's gentle with him.
Speaker 1: It enables him to be honest, and he's not defensive,
Speaker 1: he's just confused. Yeah, and it's I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: really nice to see all these people in this position
Speaker 1: where nobody's posturing, everyone's just trying to process together.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That scene with her was so human. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was so relatable where she she asked him, you know,
Speaker 4: do you think of me? And he goes yeah, and
Speaker 4: she takes a beat and she goes that helps Like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, because I have to say I've been on
Speaker 4: the team Mouth miss Lauren for a while now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've been rooting for that and I still wanted it
Speaker 4: and was disappointed with some of the things that happened
Speaker 4: in this episode, but I after that moment, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well that's very sweet. You two got something there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the Skills and Miss Lauren and Mouth triangle. Though I
Speaker 4: found myself still rooting for Miss Lauren and Mouth throughout
Speaker 4: the whole episode. I felt like she needs an emotionally
Speaker 4: mature guy, and Skills is just not able to show
Speaker 4: up as that guy right now. And I loved the
Speaker 4: kind of come to Jesus talk she had with him
Speaker 4: on his front porch, where she was like, hey, let's
Speaker 4: introduce some accountability. You bounced, you didn't check in, and
Speaker 4: then you show up like nothing has happened, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: I just I loved it because also again she did
Speaker 4: it with compassion. She wasn't pointing a finger while she
Speaker 4: did it. She was just saying, hey, this is the
Speaker 4: reality of the situation you created.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I loved she got to call him out
Speaker 1: and he was like it was only because of geography,
Speaker 1: and she got to be like, no, you didn't call,
Speaker 1: you didn't make an effort, And and what she got
Speaker 1: to say without saying it is you didn't just disappear
Speaker 1: on me. You disappeared on all these people who care
Speaker 1: about you. And like, sure, you're out there working and
Speaker 1: the hours are crazy. I mean, who who can understand?
Speaker 1: You know, set hours more than us. But you you
Speaker 1: can't be upset if people move on. If you yes,
Speaker 1: if you've left a void where you used to be.
Speaker 4: Yes. And we saw, you know a scene where he
Speaker 4: and Mouth are playing video games and Miss Lauren walks
Speaker 4: in and he says, oh, I'm on with Mouth or
Speaker 4: skills and she says something effective, how's he doing? I
Speaker 4: haven't heard from him, So yeah, he made choices, like
Speaker 4: he had time to play video games with his buddies,
Speaker 4: so he could have had time to call. So he
Speaker 4: had time to call her, he just chose not to. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I think him coming back and wanting miss Lauren
Speaker 4: is totally fine. And well, it's just the attitude and
Speaker 4: the entitlement that he came in with where he's like,
Speaker 4: walks in, how's my girl, puts his arm around her.
Speaker 4: I was saying, it's very oblivious main character energy, where
Speaker 4: it's like, yes, I left the scene, so all of
Speaker 4: the all of the other supporting characters freezes, right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And then he has the audacity to say to one point.
Speaker 4: I think it's at the gallery last episode, he goes, hey,
Speaker 4: you seem you seem distant. I'm like, bro, you've been
Speaker 4: literally distant and figuratively distant. Yeah, what high pot meet
Speaker 4: Kettle exactly.
Speaker 1: And and sure, you know you get that he's upset
Speaker 1: that it's mouth because Mouse is his friend. But what
Speaker 1: I also think is what I think is great about
Speaker 1: it in adulthood, you know, versus all the teens in
Speaker 1: high school, it's it's not pick me drama. It's like
Speaker 1: these are two people who both love you, who both
Speaker 1: felt really abandoned, and I get that hurts you, But
Speaker 1: are you really surprised that they like bonded in their
Speaker 1: sadness about missing you.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I think I've said this before in here,
Speaker 4: but one of the most profound gems I ever got
Speaker 4: from therapy was when my therapist said, it's not about
Speaker 4: the damage, it's about the lack of repair. And I
Speaker 4: love that, and I feel like that's kind of what's
Speaker 4: happening here where It's like if you had just shown
Speaker 4: up and been like, hey, my bad skill you skills
Speaker 4: as was saying, like, yeah, sorry, I just dipped out
Speaker 4: on you guys, I ghoested Jews, it would have been different.
Speaker 4: But instead it's like he's not acknowledging it, he's not own.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I found myself going, come on, come on.
Speaker 4: And then when mouth tells after miss Lauren Anxiety bakes
Speaker 4: a cake for him and shows up at his place,
Speaker 4: I'm like, don't shoot her away on man, you know, Millie,
Speaker 4: she's looking she's in early recovery. They say, not to
Speaker 4: date in your first year. Give her some space studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, I don't know, it's interesting because as
Speaker 1: we talk about it, I feel really appreciative that they
Speaker 1: gave everyone some complexity and that you could really as
Speaker 1: an audience member, like I feel like I'm on the
Speaker 1: seesaw with all these people. I'm like, don't but oh,
Speaker 1: I get it and I'm duh, like I'm mad at skills,
Speaker 1: but also oh, it's so hard to like come home
Speaker 1: from some all consuming thing and feel like your life
Speaker 1: has moved on without you, and like I actually feel
Speaker 1: for everybody, there's no way to totally get it right.
Speaker 1: And I think that's nice because so often and maybe
Speaker 1: that you know, it felt more true in the earlier years,
Speaker 1: but like so often when there's some tension between people,
Speaker 1: it's easier when you're watching it like this to pick
Speaker 1: a side, and I feel like I kind of can't
Speaker 1: pick any sides, and I.
Speaker 4: Like that there was also a lot of subtext. There
Speaker 4: is also a lot of things not being said that work,
Speaker 4: which is great, which is just so fun to watch,
Speaker 4: you know, because sometimes everything is very on the nose
Speaker 4: and heavy handed, where there is no deducing to do,
Speaker 4: like you see exactly what's happening because the characters are
Speaker 4: literally saying it whereas in this episode there was a
Speaker 4: lot going unsaid, which I think makes for a scene
Speaker 4: to be so much more interesting. You know, yeah, Alex,
Speaker 4: talk to me about Alex, Josh Paul and Julian.
Speaker 1: I love it, and you know, something that was really
Speaker 1: interesting for me, and I was glad that we got
Speaker 1: to call this out really overtly and then less so,
Speaker 1: but make a point like tabloid culture is so awful
Speaker 1: because it uses people as supply, which is what narcissists do,
Speaker 1: Like when you go through narcissistic abuse and you have
Speaker 1: to learn how to recover from that, and you you
Speaker 1: understand that it is so hard because you haven't been
Speaker 1: having conflict or you know something that just ultimately isn't
Speaker 1: going to be the lasting thing between two people. You
Speaker 1: have a person who doesn't view their quote unquote opponent
Speaker 1: as a person. They look at you as supply for
Speaker 1: their demand, for their whatever. And tabloids treat people that way,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like a it's a business industry
Speaker 1: version of bullying because they'll decide what you are and
Speaker 1: then they'll tell a story about you because that story
Speaker 1: makes them money, even if you know they have all
Speaker 1: the evidence to the contrary. And what really got me
Speaker 1: about this whole dynamic is, you know, twenty ten, like
Speaker 1: we were, we were so at the height of like
Speaker 1: you know, the tmzs and like the gross gossip blogs
Speaker 1: and the and those people still exist and if they
Speaker 1: decide they want to put a target on your back,
Speaker 1: they will, But we didn't. We didn't really have our
Speaker 1: own spaces online yet, Like the social stuff was like
Speaker 1: just beginning where you could actually be yourself. And I
Speaker 1: loved that we addressed this, and that we addressed the
Speaker 1: way the double standard would exist for a woman and
Speaker 1: would exist for someone like Alex and that someone, to
Speaker 1: your point, who's in recovery is probably going to try
Speaker 1: to make themselves feel better in all the wrong ways
Speaker 1: as they stumble along this new road. And it was
Speaker 1: twenty ten, it was two years before marriage equality passed
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court. It it's still not safe for
Speaker 1: a lot of people to be out, and it really
Speaker 1: wasn't at this point. And it really kind of made
Speaker 1: me gasp when it was like, how many leading men
Speaker 1: do you know that are gay? It shouldn't be that way,
Speaker 1: but it is. And I appreciated that Paul from his
Speaker 1: age range or you know, his perspective at his age.
Speaker 1: I guess I should say was able to give Alex
Speaker 1: this lesson and say, yeah, it's that, but this is
Speaker 1: the way it is at current and we need to
Speaker 1: hide it. And in a way I hate and would
Speaker 1: obviously never recommend, but was pretty heroic on a TV
Speaker 1: show since it was fake for Alex to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's put this out there and then the
Speaker 1: story is going to be that we're in love, and
Speaker 1: then the story is going to be that we're a couple,
Speaker 1: and yeah, people are gonna call me names, but it
Speaker 1: won't be so bad if I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this crushes my soul for all of you, but what
Speaker 1: a what a kind of snapshot of the time. And
Speaker 1: then you know, you got from like the heavy icky
Speaker 1: all the way to the very funny, with Brooke being like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't care, fabulous, I'm going to tell them it
Speaker 1: was my mom, Hello TMZ, and I was like, oof.
Speaker 1: I was glad we got to have a kind of
Speaker 1: we got to run the gamut of like peeking under
Speaker 1: the hood, if you will. On that conversation.
Speaker 4: The one thing I found myself wanting out of Paul though,
Speaker 4: because especially since he's sort of turned over this new
Speaker 4: leaf with Julian and we're seeing him sort of evolve.
Speaker 4: I really wished in that scene that as opposed to
Speaker 4: it being one hundred percent about that news affecting the film,
Speaker 4: if it was, hey, this wouldn't be good for the film.
Speaker 4: And also that's his story. It's not our place to
Speaker 4: publicly out him, like just there was some also mention
Speaker 4: of that, like the human aspect, as opposed to like
Speaker 4: this would kill the film. And then the other thing
Speaker 4: I didn't get was they obviously discover its extortion. Julian
Speaker 4: goes to Paul's room, excuse me, Josh's room and is like,
Speaker 4: that's over. Give them money back so they haven't lost
Speaker 4: that million dollars. And Alex still it's her decision to
Speaker 4: still let the tape leak.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then what's odd at the end of it was
Speaker 4: she tells Julian, I needed you to know that I
Speaker 4: believed in you too, Yeah, And it felt it felt
Speaker 4: weird to me because it's like, I don't understand if
Speaker 4: you wanted to show him you believed in his film,
Speaker 4: wouldn't you just promote the hell out of it? As
Speaker 4: like the greatest movie you've been a part of. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're kind of What you're really saying is like, I
Speaker 4: think this film needs a serious crutch to help it
Speaker 4: out well.
Speaker 1: And what was sort of was like they still could
Speaker 1: have done the press blitz and said, oh, they fell
Speaker 1: in love on this movie. Like she could have said
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help protect Josh and we'll use the tabloids
Speaker 1: to our advantage with this thing or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to say, like, not to be so serious, well,
Speaker 1: but it is a serious topic, or not to be
Speaker 1: a Debbie Downer. I don't know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: fact is the writing from this pair of women is
Speaker 1: so good and that that whole sequence, like for me
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, oh, that has our boss's
Speaker 1: fingerprints all over it. Yeah, Like the woman has to
Speaker 1: be a sacrificial lamb, she has to be sexually exploited.
Speaker 1: She essentially has to experience digital assault because when people
Speaker 1: you view you in an intimate act without your consent,
Speaker 1: it literally like we know this now, you know, with
Speaker 1: deep fake porn and all this stuff, it creates the
Speaker 1: same response in the brain as being physically assaulted. And
Speaker 1: like the fact that we had this guy in charge
Speaker 1: of our show. That was like, well, obviously she's just
Speaker 1: going to sell her own sex tape to make the
Speaker 1: money for everyone and save the movie. I'm just like, God,
Speaker 1: you're so gross, Like you're just so gross. It was
Speaker 1: almost such a great storyline, and then you just had
Speaker 1: to be so gross because what it suggests, without saying
Speaker 1: the words, is that that's an acceptable way to treat
Speaker 1: a woman and that that's how a woman has to
Speaker 1: be a hero.
Speaker 4: And I was like, bit, yes, there's a serious element
Speaker 4: of like martyrdom unnecessarily. So in the scene when it's
Speaker 4: the first time we see Millie back when Alex is
Speaker 4: just kind of downloading with her, Alex so nonchalantly is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: by the way, I was involved in a sex tape.
Speaker 4: I didn't consent to haha. And yeah, I was caught
Speaker 4: off guard, like you're having a moment with your friend
Speaker 4: and there's not even a hint of anger. Yeah, remorse,
Speaker 4: it's just like she says it. She laughs, and then
Speaker 4: she walks out the door and says a button and leaves.
Speaker 4: I was like, and that's her tone the entire episode. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so it was just odd, like I agree with
Speaker 4: what you're saying, it takes the weight out of what
Speaker 4: the implications of that actually.
Speaker 1: Are, because essentially what we do is we model to
Speaker 1: an audience of millions of people that that's no big deal,
Speaker 1: that's not a huge violation, that that's not something that
Speaker 1: causes like trauma. If not, we'll give someone PTSD like it.
Speaker 1: We make light of it in a way that is
Speaker 1: like so not okay. And then and then when there's
Speaker 1: this opportunity for this really great, you know storyline, and
Speaker 1: to your point, like no one was talking about you know,
Speaker 1: people's whether whose job it was to tell someone else's
Speaker 1: story like the way we do now in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: But even I could even appreciate that, you know, the
Speaker 1: character of Paul the dad wouldn't be as conscious of
Speaker 1: that stuff as we might be. You know, past generation
Speaker 1: has to kind of learn whatever. But like we could
Speaker 1: have had this really powerful conversation and then it was
Speaker 1: like I know how to solve it. I'll go out
Speaker 1: and put this on the internet. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: we are We're just it was so special for a moment,
Speaker 1: we were having such an important conversation and we're just
Speaker 1: gonna throw the girl under the bus for the one
Speaker 1: millionth billionth time, even.
Speaker 4: If there had just been a tiny moment of when
Speaker 4: she goes into Josh's room, if she sits down with
Speaker 4: them and she's like, Hey, what you did to me
Speaker 4: was horrific. So here's how you can begin to make
Speaker 4: amends for it. Yeah, here's the story. I'm gonna help
Speaker 4: you out, but you owe me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: just some sort of acknowledgment of it. I will say.
Speaker 4: Another thing that I found incredibly egregious was the slow
Speaker 4: mo shot because this happened in seven nineteen when Clay
Speaker 4: sees Katie at the gallery, he drops his beer and
Speaker 4: we do the slow mo shot of a bottle falling
Speaker 4: and hitting the ground, as if the audience isn't registering
Speaker 4: that there's a tremendous amount of surprise this episode. Back
Speaker 4: to back episodes. Alex sees Josh and his male friend
Speaker 4: kissing in the elevator and she drops the ice bucket,
Speaker 4: and we have the slow mo close up of an
Speaker 4: ice bucket. Yeah, like calling hitting the ground, Like, what
Speaker 4: are we doing? Let's just watch the actor responding well.
Speaker 1: And by the way, not only is there the slow moll,
Speaker 1: there's there was one other slow moost shot which did
Speaker 1: not make any sense to me because the clay picture
Speaker 1: gets thrown to the ground, the glass shatters, and then
Speaker 1: completely still, they have Katie. They have Amanda Showl standing
Speaker 1: in like a Superheroes us with the hood, the slow
Speaker 1: pan up the body and the boots and the thing,
Speaker 1: and then she pulls her hood off, but her hood
Speaker 1: wasn't obstructing her face in the first place, and it's
Speaker 1: broad daylight, and I was like, what is happening? And
Speaker 1: I have we all have been in that position as
Speaker 1: an actor where you are told we have to do
Speaker 1: this and you're like, I think this is silly and unmotivated,
Speaker 1: and they're like, it's the shot that's going to make
Speaker 1: it all make sense. And you either figure out how
Speaker 1: to fight your way into doing something else or you
Speaker 1: kind of get strong armed into doing the thing that
Speaker 1: you know is stupid. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what show I'm watching right now, Like we went
Speaker 1: from One Tree Hill to the Boys back to One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill, but like she's not actually in a superhero outfit,
Speaker 1: and I was like, God, she looks beautiful and it's
Speaker 1: a great coat and her hair is flawless. But why
Speaker 1: are we doing this?
Speaker 4: She's bringing serious, unhinged chic vibes to.
Speaker 1: The be and e and in a weird way. It
Speaker 1: was like it was the reverse shot of you dropping
Speaker 1: the beer bottle in the gallery, and then like in
Speaker 1: the gallery, we pan up Katie and then we dropped
Speaker 1: more with Alex, and I was like, who got into
Speaker 1: Solomo in season seven like this?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I also had the same response as
Speaker 4: you and I when they do the pan up and
Speaker 4: Katie's in like knee high leather boots and a superhero
Speaker 4: pose and she pulls the hood off. My first thought
Speaker 4: was you just broke into a place in broad daylight.
Speaker 4: That hood is obstructing nothing, and why are you choosing
Speaker 4: to take it? Was just it was so odd and
Speaker 4: sort of false. And also the scene with Alex ends
Speaker 4: so not. Why do they slow mow extreme close up
Speaker 4: of an ice bucket hitting the ground and the ice
Speaker 4: cubes like it's saving private Ryan, the ice cubes flailing about,
Speaker 4: falling everywhere. Then they push in from a close up
Speaker 4: to like an extreme close up on Alex's face. Again
Speaker 4: it's like the slow creep, as if we it's just
Speaker 4: to me. It was like we don't need to hold
Speaker 4: the audience's hand here. Jana's great. Just let Janet do
Speaker 4: her thing and let's just watch her react.
Speaker 1: Also, we are all seeing this. We all are going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Josh, is this day?
Speaker 4: Yes, like we know, yes, it's distracting to then break
Speaker 4: my concentration with the dramatic French film of an ice
Speaker 4: bucket hitting the ground and realizing its own fragility, Like,
Speaker 4: what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was a little extra. We didn't
Speaker 1: we didn't need it.
Speaker 4: Let's get into sweet sweet hales.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I did not know the storyline was coming at all,
Speaker 4: so it is. All of it is surprising me. And
Speaker 4: it got dark fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think they're doing such a good job
Speaker 1: with this that the speed of it, and look, we've
Speaker 1: voiced this before. Sometimes I think we jump into things
Speaker 1: a little too quickly. I think the speed is really fast.
Speaker 1: But I think the again, the writing is so good
Speaker 1: because the choices to make certain things feel impossible, which
Speaker 1: I think is so true when you are going through
Speaker 1: really substantial grief, like nothing feels important. Everything you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, feels insane. It's like suddenly you're in a
Speaker 1: costume party. Of your own life. You're like, what is
Speaker 1: everybody doing? And why is everyone working? And why are
Speaker 1: those people like just buying groceries whatever it is. It's
Speaker 1: so surreal that not everyone feels like the world has stopped.
Speaker 1: And I thought they wrote really great representations of that
Speaker 1: for her, like the inability to even hear what Miranda
Speaker 1: is saying, the irrelevance of what meal it is, like,
Speaker 1: it's breakfast, eat this, who cares?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: It's really subtle stuff, But I think it communicated, like
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? The catastrophic nature of
Speaker 1: the law for her really well.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I think the fact that we ended seven
Speaker 4: nineteen with watching her kind of have her first break
Speaker 4: by the pool, because I agree, this does feel fast.
Speaker 4: It feels like a lot very quick, Like the Chinese
Speaker 4: food in the morning. Okay, that's obviously not her, but
Speaker 4: let's be honest, cold Chinese nos are delicious, So not
Speaker 4: a huge strike against you as a parent. The peeling
Speaker 4: off in the Porsche and blowing off your shoot, that's big,
Speaker 4: and then the just setting the piano on fire. But
Speaker 4: I think the reason why I don't mind it so
Speaker 4: much is because grief is different for everyone, and it
Speaker 4: doesn't follow a timeline, and sometimes it can be slow
Speaker 4: and other times it can be fat. Like you know,
Speaker 4: there's no there's no playbook for it. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I think I saw her break last episode, so maybe
Speaker 4: this is what it looks like now that it's broken. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm worried for Jamie and Nathan. Yeah, but it's interesting.
Speaker 1: We've seen these moments with him, you know, when Jamie's
Speaker 1: having a hard time and he just offers to be
Speaker 1: there for him a few episodes ago, and then in
Speaker 1: this one you can see Nathan processing that something is
Speaker 1: wrong and trying to figure it out, and he makes
Speaker 1: a choice again just to show up for his kid
Speaker 1: and not He doesn't say much, you know, he says,
Speaker 1: your mom loves you and always will. He doesn't say
Speaker 1: she's having a really hard time and she's acting out.
Speaker 1: You know, Mom's not mad at you. She was upset that,
Speaker 1: you know, about the soup. Like he chooses not to
Speaker 1: say much and then says, let's let's do this puzzle together.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna be there, and it's really nice to
Speaker 1: not see him try to solve the problem but just
Speaker 1: be present for.
Speaker 4: It, which I think is such a common reflex for guys,
Speaker 4: is that I know that my first instinct is always
Speaker 4: how do I fix it? Yeah, And it's a lot
Speaker 4: of times the same. It's not about that no one's
Speaker 4: asking you to by the way.
Speaker 1: I was just going to be like yes, same with
Speaker 1: eldest or only daughters, where you're like I am I
Speaker 1: have to be responsible for everyone and all their feelings
Speaker 1: all the time. Like there's such a goal to jump
Speaker 1: in and say, well, this is how we're going to
Speaker 1: get through it. And I think it's really smart. And
Speaker 1: also it's really nice as an audience member to see
Speaker 1: our hero, you know, Nathan Scott is like he's the
Speaker 1: superhero of one trio and he doesn't try to save
Speaker 1: the day. He just sits with his kid. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like it that's a really beautiful choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. Speaking of pianos, I loved Grub
Speaker 4: playing to Miranda Grubs excuse me playing to Miranda? Did
Speaker 4: you find yourself?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 4: And he's singing and the first line is tell me
Speaker 4: why we were talking when we dance so good?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, sir, you dance well. But I
Speaker 4: realized it had because it had two rhymes with the
Speaker 4: following sentence, but every time he said it, I felt
Speaker 4: that little, like neurotic voice in my head, going, you
Speaker 4: dance well, you don't dance good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, your grammar Nerd is like activated. I think what
Speaker 1: was really fun for me about it is again, I
Speaker 1: you know, I knew their storyline was coming, and I
Speaker 1: remember how it develops, but I didn't remember the episode
Speaker 1: by episode specifics. And I love that song, and so
Speaker 1: when he started, I was like, ah, it's here, it's here,
Speaker 1: Like I just felt really excited. And and I think
Speaker 1: they have such great chemistry and it's so nice to
Speaker 1: watch him make music. And I don't know, I this
Speaker 1: is the hopeless romantic in me, you know, who desire
Speaker 1: to believe in the rom coms like will Never Die.
Speaker 1: He's like, marry me, and I'm like, do it, just
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 4: Stay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you figure it out later. Who cares, you know?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, am I am I good? Like I
Speaker 1: am rooting for her to take him up on this offer,
Speaker 1: And when he just stands there and sings to her,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, do it.
Speaker 4: I was confused by the time that he says marry me.
Speaker 4: They have they have kissed, right, Like, aren't they they're
Speaker 4: they're kind of dating, right, doesn't he? Yeah, she goes,
Speaker 4: I think I have a boyfriend, because I was. I
Speaker 4: was surprised with how taken aback she was. I get
Speaker 4: that marriage is a big thing, but in this situation,
Speaker 4: if you're already dating the person, I had the same
Speaker 4: action as you. I went, this is actually just a
Speaker 4: good plan.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, that's also being an adult. You're like, listen, Logistically,
Speaker 1: it's a great idea because if you get to ported,
Speaker 1: you're probably never going to be able to come back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you could absolutely get married and then you know, dissolved,
Speaker 1: have a dissolution file for a freakin annulment if you
Speaker 1: need to, Like, we'll figure the details out later. Like
Speaker 1: I immediately go into what is the more sort of
Speaker 1: responsible strategic plan here so that these two can figure
Speaker 1: out what they're doing. And I don't know, maybe we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be so taken aback by that, but I
Speaker 1: was rooting for it.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. It's so nice that what a luxury
Speaker 4: that we have so many talented musicians on our show,
Speaker 4: And then anytime you see either of them, like winding
Speaker 4: up to sing a song. You're like, yes, let's go.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I was so pumped when he's in the student, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's going to sing a song about this right now,
Speaker 4: isn't it? When he was writing it actually, when he's writing,
Speaker 4: looking at I was like, Oh, we're about to hear
Speaker 4: a lot song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's really sweet. One of the things
Speaker 1: that was interesting to me too is again, there's moments
Speaker 1: that stand out in my memory. So I knew Haley
Speaker 1: was going to set the piano on fire, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember. I was like, is it going to be
Speaker 1: the episode? Is it going to be next episode? When
Speaker 1: she sits down with that Martini though ass, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's here, it's here, it's here, It's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I remember what a production it was. With
Speaker 1: the flame bar. You know, there's these for people at home.
Speaker 1: They basically have these metal pipes with holes in them,
Speaker 1: kind of like you do in a gas fireplace that
Speaker 1: they can put on a c stand and essentially suspend
Speaker 1: and make fire come out of it. And they have
Speaker 1: to to get that long line. And obviously we weren't
Speaker 1: going to actually burn like a real expensive grand piano.
Speaker 1: But then Nathan runs in and is like Haley, and
Speaker 1: you know, he pulls her away from the flames and
Speaker 1: he puts the fire out with that blanket. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, and I realized I wanted to see
Speaker 1: him like standing in front of the smoldering piano. And
Speaker 1: then I went, oh, I forgot. We didn't really burn
Speaker 1: the piano, like they couldn't show, you know, the charred
Speaker 1: keys in the shot because it was big. I was
Speaker 1: so bummed about it.
Speaker 4: I thought that we actually set a piano on fire
Speaker 4: until the end of that scene when we never cut
Speaker 4: to a reverse of Nathan's point of view. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: didn't realize that is how we done it, but yes,
Speaker 4: I was sort of I was hoping for the same
Speaker 4: thing as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's funny when you know, you realize
Speaker 1: what great film school training working on a set is
Speaker 1: because as actors were like, oh, I know, I know
Speaker 1: why that's not in the shot, got it? It was
Speaker 1: special effects?
Speaker 4: Cool?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, god, it sort of can really
Speaker 1: kind of ruin the fun. But it did give me
Speaker 1: a little giggle. I like that you and I both
Speaker 1: were like, oh damn, because I did want to see.
Speaker 1: I wanted smoking keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see some charred piano. I also loved this
Speaker 4: is the way that scene ends with Haley just sort
Speaker 4: of in her haze, just saying I'm going to go
Speaker 4: call my mom.
Speaker 1: That broke heart.
Speaker 4: It's simultaneously told you how not in touch with reality
Speaker 4: she was and just how heartbroken she was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stress and the experience of grief is like
Speaker 1: breaking her brand's ability to process the timeline.
Speaker 4: I also liked that we got an explanation as to
Speaker 4: why Katie currently is the way she is. Yes, when
Speaker 4: Clay has a casual lunch date with her roommate, she's like,
Speaker 4: she's off her lithium. It gets bad, and he's like
Speaker 4: how bad. She's like, real bad, Mollie. You in danger girl?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Run.
Speaker 4: So that was nice to have some explanation because for
Speaker 4: a couple of episodes, I've just been going why why
Speaker 4: would you, yeah, suddenly be obsessed with a guy and
Speaker 4: you have a lot going on exactly. And then the
Speaker 4: other thing I really liked, which was just sort of
Speaker 4: a one off scene, was Skills and Jamie at lunch.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, this is actually, this is
Speaker 1: my Honorable mention for the episode.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, take it away. Tell the folks why
Speaker 4: we love it them.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's so cute to see Skills and
Speaker 1: Jamie out on their own lunch date of sorts. And
Speaker 1: I love that a you know, a grown up and
Speaker 1: a kid are talking to each other as equals. It's
Speaker 1: a really fun dynamic. And when Jamie says, but he's
Speaker 1: your friend, and he's like yeah, and he's still my girl.
Speaker 1: And to have a child say well, you stile here
Speaker 1: from me first and we're still friends. To point out
Speaker 1: that all sorts of people have feelings of all kinds,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe friendship is worth more than that.
Speaker 1: It's it's refreshing because Brooke has done it. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this earlier, like I'm the second one to
Speaker 1: go check on mouth, right, and I do it. And
Speaker 1: he says, well, you know, Peyton gave you a black
Speaker 1: eye and she's like yeah, and you told me I
Speaker 1: had to make up with her. Uh, you know. And
Speaker 1: then it's like Pete married Lucas, Like what conversation are
Speaker 1: we having about you three at this point? And the
Speaker 1: humor of that that mouth gets that from his oldest
Speaker 1: friend and then Skills gets that from his like best
Speaker 1: little buddy, and it's so simple, Like it's the perfect
Speaker 1: kind of real life manifestation of that phrase from the
Speaker 1: mouths of babes, Like kids just get it, and Jamie
Speaker 1: just gets it. And he's like the first person that
Speaker 1: can remind Skills of the bigger picture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a wise little owl. Remember that when there
Speaker 4: was the beef going on between Mouth and Skills about
Speaker 4: moving out. Yeah, and they were doing like the naked
Speaker 4: off and all that stuff, and Jamie goes, uh, Skills
Speaker 4: explains the whole thing and how he's feeling to Jamie,
Speaker 4: and Jamie goes, what did he say when you told
Speaker 4: him that? And he goes, I haven't told him that.
Speaker 4: He's like, tell him that. And again it's like it's
Speaker 4: the simplest thing, you know. But Yeah, I love the
Speaker 4: scene for all those reasons. And I also just really
Speaker 4: liked because this also made me kind of soften towards Skills,
Speaker 4: because I've been a little bit annoyed with the behavior,
Speaker 4: you know, like I want better of him. There is
Speaker 4: something special as a parent about seeing another adult take
Speaker 4: an interest and invest in your child. And I loved
Speaker 4: so many people are an uncle or there, this or that,
Speaker 4: but it's like they really only see the kid when
Speaker 4: they stop by. And I loved it so much. It
Speaker 4: made its such an impression on me to see that
Speaker 4: part of his day. He planned an event for him
Speaker 4: and Jamie to go out, just the two of them
Speaker 4: and hang out as friends, because that is stuff that
Speaker 4: Jamie will never forget. And it's really truly showing up
Speaker 4: as an uncle and someone who cares for that little kid.
Speaker 4: And so I found myself going, all right, skills, yeah,
Speaker 4: I still love you.
Speaker 1: It's so sweet. Great episode, for sure, great episode.
Speaker 4: Honorable mens he is the honorable mensh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good ones. Alyssa wants to know we never met
Speaker 1: Clay's parents. Who would you have cast to play them?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I have an immediate answer. Really, yes,
Speaker 4: two National Treasures, Ted Danson, Mary Steam Virgin. Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 4: because professionally they are both just incredible and they would
Speaker 4: be great. But personally I love those two so much.
Speaker 4: I don't know them personally, but just I just I
Speaker 4: adore them anything they're and I'm like, I already like it,
Speaker 4: what are they up to? They would have been great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, they would have been so fun.
Speaker 1: Ted dancing so cool. I it's crazy that you say that.
Speaker 1: I want to say. I want to say it was
Speaker 1: maybe after season seven, I did a pilot in second
Speaker 1: position to our show, and Mary Stein Virgin played my
Speaker 1: mom and Don Johnson played my dad.
Speaker 4: WHOA.
Speaker 1: It was like the most fun I've ever had. It was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Mary Stein Virgin is so cool, Like she's so cool,
Speaker 1: and you know, our show got picked up and that
Speaker 1: pilot didn't. And I remember just being like, I'm so happy,
Speaker 1: and I'm also so sad, like I'm so glad to
Speaker 1: be going back to work with my friends, and I'm
Speaker 1: also so crushed I don't get to go to work
Speaker 1: with these amazing people. I like people like that. You
Speaker 1: just when you get to work with people of that
Speaker 1: sort of caliber, like to do a show with Ted Danson,
Speaker 1: that would that would probably change you, you know, as
Speaker 1: a performer forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I would read a phone book with Ted. I
Speaker 4: would do anything. If they're like, it's a commercial for
Speaker 4: Herpies medication, You'd be like, fine, and you have to
Speaker 4: be the spokesperson. But Ted Danson's going to be in it.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, slap a fake cole sore on me. Baby,
Speaker 4: we're doing this thing. I want to meet Ted Danson.
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, well, ted Danson, we love you.
Speaker 1: We love you, guys, Rispin a wheel. Let's imagine it's like,
Speaker 1: who do you think would be most likely to do
Speaker 1: a film with Ted Danson?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, who do you like more? Ted Danson
Speaker 4: or Mary Steam Virgin. We're like, no, most likely to
Speaker 4: forget their anniversary. Well, listen, if we're allowed to get
Speaker 4: ahead of ourselves a bit, I'm going to say Clay
Speaker 4: because he has a prepare for being forgetful about things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels fair. That feels fair. Dates are kind
Speaker 1: of tough for me, Like I have to look at
Speaker 1: calendars all the time to make sure I'm not inverting numbers.
Speaker 1: But I'm also so sentimental. I was gonna be like,
Speaker 1: maybe it's me, and then I'm like, no, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: I would never. I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 4: You mean you as in Sophia not broh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got because you because you
Speaker 1: got you got the character. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: is it me? But no, I don't think it would
Speaker 1: be me. There's things though, that numerically I struggle with, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to know about you know, when the women
Speaker 1: in Iceland walked out to protest and how you know
Speaker 1: it took however many days and it was ninety four
Speaker 1: percent of the population. Like I can take you through
Speaker 1: some social science, historical something. I I there are people
Speaker 1: in my life whose phone numbers I do not know
Speaker 1: and should and I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know the shapes, but I don't know what order
Speaker 1: they go in. But like some I read about that
Speaker 1: impacted me about like, wow, that was a thing that
Speaker 1: we did that worked good for humans. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard how Einstein had a trouble counting
Speaker 4: his bus change?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, my god, are you saying I'm Einstein?
Speaker 4: What I'm basically saying, Sophia Bush, is that I think
Speaker 4: you are the Albert Einstein of social and cultural historical
Speaker 4: movements and reads.
Speaker 1: News makes me want to sob a little bit.
Speaker 4: So the next time you forget a phone number or
Speaker 4: how to tie your shoes, little buddy, just remember you're
Speaker 4: kind of Albert.
Speaker 1: I like and the bunny rabbit. Oh I love it.
Speaker 1: This is so good okay, friends, We're going to see
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