WEBVTT - How Guide Dogs Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.120 Brought to you by the all new team Toyota Corolla. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.760 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:16.280 dot com. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast on Josh, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.640 there's Chuck and we hope we sound correct. Yes, yeah, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.680 what does that mean? Well, Jerry was looking at her 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.520 putting the headphones up to her years, so like, she's 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.639 not you paying attention to here. Basically, what you're saying 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.680 is we have no quality control gong on it right now. Well, 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.000 no we did, because Jerry had the headphones up to 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.120 her years. Yeah, now we don't. She checks in. Occasionally 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:45.760 she wakes up and says, yeah, yeah, yeah, what so Chuck, Yes, 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.959 how's it going. It's going great. How are you? I'm 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.800 doing good? Good? Um? Huh do you look well? Thank 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.800 you very much? Healthy, fit, well, happy, sun kissed, sun kissed. Yeah, 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.440 it's really good, um, Chuck. Have you ever seen a 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:08.920 guide dog a guy dog? Guide? Oh? Yeah yeah, guide 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.480 dogs them all the time. Do you know why they 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.600 are also called seeing eye dogs are used to be 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.360 uh well, because guide dogs specifically, unlike the general term 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.000 service dogs, are to help guide around people who cannot see. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.200 That is a pretty nice story, but it's not entirely 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.360 correct feeling. Seeing Eye dogs were actually UM part of 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.160 a company called the Seeing Eye was the first American 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.160 guide dog training company. UH. And it wasn't the Americans 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.240 who came up with training guide dogs. It was actually 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:49.520 the Germans UH. In Potstam, Germany, the first UM guide 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.520 dog training Academy was set up to help veterans that 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.800 have been blinded in World War One. UM and it 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.760 was successful. It didn't really take off. UM. But a woman, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.280 an American woman living in Switzerland. Her name was Dorothy 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.600 Harris Eustace. She was very wealthy American, heard about this 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.880 when visited the school and said, this is pretty awesome. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.720 Came back, waited a few years before she got around 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.160 to writing an article and it was published in the 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:21.400 Saturday Evening Post. And a young uh blind whipper snapper 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:26.560 named UM Norman Rockwell, No, his name was Morris Frank. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.640 He heard about it and he got in touch with 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.079 Mrs Eustace and said, I would like one of these dogs. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.360 Can you help me out? He said? She said, not 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.200 only will I help you out, I'm gonna fly you 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.120 to pot Stamp to Switzerland. Actually you're going to be 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.000 trained with a dog and we give you ten thousand 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.160 dollars to go start the first school in America. So 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.400 Morris Frank took the took her up on it, took 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.360 the ten thousand dollars and started in Tennessee the Seeing 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.840 Eye Dog School. So are you saying that Seeing Eye 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.520 dogs are the Kleenex of the working service dog world. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.440 That's very apt. It's actually a brand name. Interesting. I 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.080 never knew that to see. He asked how I like this, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:08.920 and I said, nothing really surprised me. It was a 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.160 good article, but I wasn't surprised. And here you go, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.400 surprising me right off the bat. Thanks. All right, guy dogs, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.880 let's get to it. Eight. Yeah, it's a pretty straightforward stuff, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.160 but it's neat to know the details of things. Like 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.880 first of all, if you ever see a guy dog, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.240 it's actually working and you should leave it alone. Yeah, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:34.079 that's um in my house. It's difficult with Emily. Yeah, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.080 you're really not supposed to do that. I know, and 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.680 she doesn't. But dude, she's like a five year old 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.680 like she will. I have seen her fake like she's 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.520 going to look for something and just brush up her 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.720 hand against the dog's head, like in a store, like 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.720 let me go look at the cereal and she'll just 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.240 brush up and be like that didn't mean to bet 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.840 your your guide dogs. She's like a frauder. She's like 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.839 a frauderist for guy dogs. Yeah, basically is that people 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.320 who rub up against yourself in public? Yeah, yeah, she 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.320 can't help it, dude, when she sees a dog, she's 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:10.080 like she just cannot not touch. So and it's understandable, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.560 especially with guide dogs. Why Emily would do that because 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.320 it's like dogs and then five echelons up guide dogs, right, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.240 Not only are they dogs, which are great animals to 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.080 begin with, but they're dogs that actually help not only 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.880 just regular people, but people who can't see. So it's 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.960 like you just want to pet them and be like 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.880 it's the greatest thing on the planet, and they look sad, 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.120 which makes you want to pet him even more. But 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.400 people they are not sad. They are working and they're 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.120 delighted to be working. Because if they're not delighted to 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.720 be working, they wouldn't be guide dogs. They wouldn't make 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.400 it through the process. That's exactly right. So it's not 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.640 to say that you can never um touch a guide dog. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.880 Normally you want to leave them alone. Just rub them 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.000 gets to the story, right. But um, if you really 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.160 can't resist the urge Emily, UM, you can ask the handler, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.600 the guy dog owner, the person who the guy dog 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.480 is assisting, if you compet their dog that way, they 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.599 can say not really, he's really concentrating now, or no, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.560 you can go ahead and pet them, and then the 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.400 owner knows that now he needs to get the dog 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.840 back into his concentration working mode after he's been petted. Okay, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.560 that's rule number one. Okay. Guy dogs are rule number two. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.840 Typically allowed anywhere the general public is allowed, because if 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.600 they're not, then you're saying, oh no, only people who 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.760 can see are allowed into these public areas, which is 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.320 one of the best things about him and why you 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.800 want you know, why Emily wants to rub up against them, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.120 because she's like, well, I'm in a library and there's 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.520 a dog. This is a bonus, right, you know, it's 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.480 a great library. Um. The thing is that since they're 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.520 allowed anywhere and their dog, and because there's people like 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.320 Emily walking around who wanted to pet them all the time, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.280 the dog, it's up to the dog rather than Emily 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.880 to decide, like, let's keep things professional. Here, I'm not 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.000 going to create any kind of ruckus or disturbance. So 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.600 the dog has to be extraordinarily well trained, um to concentrate, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.640 and what it's concentrating on is a certain prescribed set 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:16.760 of things, specifically how to take a direct route um, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.279 and to stay in front of and just to the 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.360 left of the handler yep, at a steady pace. Yep. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.279 You don't want a dog that like runs some and 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.680 then stops to smell and eat poop and then runs again. Uh. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.960 The biggest, I would say, probably easily the biggest thing 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.000 a guy dog must do is have complete mastery of 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.280 the intersection in the crosswalk. Yeah, that's really where I mean, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.800 stairs and cliffs and things like that are important, but 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.440 the crosswalk in the intersection is when it comes down 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.400 to brass tacks. That's the most important thing that a 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.440 guy dog needs to know how to do perfectly right 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.520 in the free time. The way that guy dog trainers 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.280 have established. UM. The importance of this is the guy 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.599 dogs are taught universally need to stop at every curb. Yeah, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.160 and that's a good way to I mean, you should 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.480 train your dog to do that anyway. I wass thinking 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.120 if you can get your hands on a training manual 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.800 for a guide dog. Just use that. You could use 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.160 that for any dog and you have like a super 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.920 terrific A one dog. Yeah, I bet you could. That 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.120 sounds like a service Josh is a one dogs and 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.720 fingering powder. Um. Yeah, that's a good point and that's 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.440 a good way to train a dog anyway. Like I said, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.480 you don't want your dog pulling you into an intersection, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.600 even if you can see. Um. But back to guide dogs, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.360 that is the most important thing. They have to stop 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.920 at every curb, sit and while they're sitting. And like 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:42.840 I said, these aren't just service dogs, because there's other 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.800 dogs if you have like epilepsy or if you're in 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.320 a wheelchair. Sometimes these are specifically for the blind. Um. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.520 But they'll come to an intersection and they work together 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.320 as a unit. It's um. The dog stops and the 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.360 blind person listens. They listen for traffic and they listen 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.120 for traffics stopping, and then they tell the dog all right, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.520 now we can go forward in in the intersection. But 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.360 here's the cool thing, and this is I think the 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.720 coolest thing in this article about guide dogs. The dog 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.080 doesn't just say okay, let's go the dogs as well. 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.560 You're saying it's okay, but you can't see, so why 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.280 don't you let me decide for sure if it's okay 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.960 if there's a car coming, Even if the handler says 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.679 move forward, the dog won't do it. The dog will wait, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.400 wait until whatever hazard is coming is cleared, and then 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.600 we'll follow the command. It's called selective disobedience. Yes, it's 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.480 pretty spectacular. Yeah. When I lived in l A in 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.120 my first apartment, I lived across from my I don't 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.640 know if it was a dog training school or if 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.080 it was just a school for the blind, but all 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.360 the traffic lights around me made noises. Oh yeah, like wait, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.280 no it was that would be good. Actually it was 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.400 just like these sounds, like these ticking sounds that they knew, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.280 they knew what it meant. Or Gore's even better. There's 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.120 one's by Amy's in my house that say wait when 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.680 you press the button, wait and then I'll say, um, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.400 what what street light is now red? And what street 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.120 you can cross depending on where the intersection is. Is 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.760 that just a new thing or is it near The 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.360 voice sounds pretty futuristic. No, but is it tied to 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.360 the blind or is it just yeah, I think that's 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.079 what it's for. Um, because yeah, it directs you, um 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:31.240 verbally across what street you can take right wait wait, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.200 And it's funny because you can press the button a 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.160 few times will be like wait wait, wait wait, that's 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.319 kind of fun. I'm sure you've never done that though, right, Well, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.200 what else is there to do while you're waiting for 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.880 a crosswalk light? Um? Today walk? That's right. You can 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.160 get a ticket for that in Los Angeles, by the way, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.040 it's a way of life in New York. Yeah, don't 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.200 do it, no way. Um. Another thing the dog has 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.439 to do is to know how to um bring the 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:05.840 the handler to an elevator button instead of elevator buttons. Um. Yes, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.160 stop its stairs at the bottom and the top until 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.640 told what to do. UM, lie there quietly when the 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.439 handlers sitting wherever the handler is. Yeah, that's a big one. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.640 Like like part of being a guy dog is you 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.680 just have to just cut out all of the other 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.760 distractions that would drive any other dog bonkers, um and 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.920 just sit there. Because the first time a guy dog 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.559 acts like a regular dog in a public setting, a 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.480 guy dogs everywhere have a bad name. That's right, You 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.680 know well, and that's why they look sad to me. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.760 Like what, I used to take Marta and there was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.800 a guy dog frequently on the way home, um with 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.880 this lady and uh, the dog would just lay down 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.120 under the you know seat on the subway and just 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.000 look so sad. But I always had to tell myself, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.600 this dog is not sad. When that harness comes off, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.199 it's playtime. Were you saying that with like to you 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:07.480 might have teared up. So um, Like we said, they 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.360 work as a team. It's not the handler just giving 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.880 orders and it's not the dog just carrying out orders. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.800 They have to work together, um because they the dog 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.200 doesn't know where to go, that's the handler's job, and 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.960 the handler doesn't know when to go or yeah, what 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.839 obstacles are coming up? Exactly. Put the two together. You 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.840 got a pretty great team, that's right. You have the 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.000 makings of a fine sitcom. So um, like you said, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.400 after hours after they're working, when the harnesses on, the 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.079 dogs at work, it's concentrating. It knows everything to do. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.160 When the harness is off, it's just like any other dog, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.679 it's belly rub time. Right. A guy dog is both um, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.480 a service dog and the family pet two. That's right. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:55.280 So really genuinely don't feel like bad for service animals 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.440 when you see them out in public, Like they're treated 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.320 just as well and even better than other dogs back 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:07.200 at home. And from what I understand, they're really enjoying 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:12.000 themselves because they're like concentrating, their stimulated, they're going places. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.760 They're just like sitting at home, you know, all day, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.079 waiting for you know, their owner to come home and 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.480 let him out for a half hour on a leash. Yeah, exactly. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.160 So there's a lot of a lot of people who 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.719 believe that guy dougs leave far more fulfilling lives than 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.080 the average house dog. Yeah, well dogs, It depends on 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.000 the breed, but in general, dogs have jobs, and if 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.840 you have a poorly behaved dog, that means it's probably 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.880 a breed that wants a job that doesn't have one, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.199 or you just got a lemon. Like one of our 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.040 dogs is really bad. Lucy's terrible. She's thirteen and she's 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.200 still bad. Well, she was red to be a card dealer. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.800 We haven't taken out of Vegas in a long time. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.360 She was. She is a catahoula though, and they're they're 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.560 hurting dogs and she she needs a job. Basically, she's 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.360 never had a job. So her job has been to 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.880 poop in the house and to eat books and furniture 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.880 and stuff like that. Wait, what kind of job are 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.319 they supposed to do? Well, the Catahoulas were herds, like 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.199 she heard hers and things? Does she heard you guys 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.439 around the house? Like? Does she try to make sure 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.319 you're all in the same room at the same time? 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.240 Or uh no? No? Um, all right, so let's talk 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:28.360 about the process of schooling a guide dog. Um, they're 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.320 usually free. They will pair people up there. They're generally 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.160 nonprofits who run on donations. But yeah, if you wanted 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.680 to feel even better about people like guide dogs schools, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.640 it's free. Yeah that you don't have to pay a 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.760 two thousand dollars for your well trained guide dog. They 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.439 will pair you as a person that can't see, with 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.840 a great dog for no charge. In general, although there 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.560 could be a lot of money in that. He started 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.960 proprivate dogs. Yeah, sure you could get a free one, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.440 but if you want to really give one, you have 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.240 to pay for it. Um. So these the schools are 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.960 set up and pretty much handled the whole process from 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.400 soup to nuts, which includes breeding them sometimes and if 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.199 they're like really great guy dogs, they might go into 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.800 a breeding program afterwards. I have the impression that most 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.200 like major guide dog schools handled their own breeding. Yeah, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.120 probably so. UM. They arrange the puppy raising programs, which 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.600 is where it all starts, which we'll get into in 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.640 a minute. Uh. They evaluate these dogs along the way, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.000 they train them. Once they're ready, they train the instructors, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.320 they train the handlers, They match the dog with the handler, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.280 reevaluate them after a while, and eventually retire the dogs, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.840 which is very sad and happy, which we'll we'll get 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.680 to that too, that's at the end. But you're talking 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:53.320 Golden Retrievers, labs. German shepherds are generally who you're going 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:58.160 to see because they're all whip smart and generally pretty nice, loyal, obedient, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:03.040 train very trainable and confident too. That's one of the 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.280 a number one again qualities of UM a guide dog 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:12.240 is self confidence. UM. And that self confidence is UM 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.320 built up as a puppy. That's one of the main 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:20.240 things in a guide dog in training or pre training, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:27.600 puppy guide dog raising person. Yeah, they who I think. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.160 Alicia Howyte wrote this she interviewed. Um, no, this is 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.800 a Tom Harris joint. I wasn't. Okay, Tom interviewed someone 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.400 at a place called Guiding Eyes for the Blind in 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.480 New Yorktown Heights, New York. And we're gonna be referencing 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.040 them a lot as far as or that's who we're 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.640 talking about when we throw out some of these common stats, um, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:48.240 like of the original puppies aren't suitable for to even 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.000 enter the program, Like they start weeding them out really early. Um, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.720 they sell them as pets if they're not you know, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.360 if they're part of that, or they may just not be. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.640 They may be okay for service doll, but not good 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.920 for guide dogging, so they'll, um maybe send them to 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.640 another organization that will help people like with epilepsy, you're 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:11.560 in a wheelchair or something. Um. The ones that do 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.560 make it though, the ones that are like, Okay, you're 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.600 six week old puppy, and we can tell already that 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.640 you are probably going to be worth a shot, so 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.600 we're gonna send you into a training school pre training school. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.920 Puppy raising is what it's called with just regular people 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.600 like you can go out and do this as if 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.320 you have the time and you have the patients and 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.560 you have the resources, you can actually get puppies to 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.000 the point where a year later you will then turn 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.480 them back over to a proper school a year to 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.760 a year and a half depending Um. And along the way, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.520 you're you're going to be trained on how to raise 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.760 a puppy according to the standards of the school. Um. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.480 They're not just gonna say here's a puppy, don't screw 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:00.920 it up. Um. There's usually weekly monthly court early meetings 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.040 with other puppy raisers where all the puppies get together 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.360 to ensure their socialized update things to make sure everybody's 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.639 on the same page with raising their puppies so that 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:15.479 there's evaluations. Um. And uh, Like we said that, what 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.000 they're trying to do is they're not training the puppies 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.040 at all. The main point of puppy raising is to 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:26.560 start to set up, um, how a puppy can become confident, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.720 make it feel good about itself. And I take that back. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.440 They are training themself in the basics sit, stay, lay down, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.159 that kind of thing. Nothing advanced, just good basic obedience 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.080 exactly there. And then they're also getting the puppies used 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.960 to the idea of training for extended periods of time 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.200 on a daily basis. Um. And they're doing that by 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.400 taking the dog all over the place, anywhere that they 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.560 can get a dog into. They're going to take this 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.640 dog to expose it to new, um, new experiences every week. Yeah, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.960 and after um, a certain amount of time, they'll get 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.280 their little co that says I'm a puppy dog in training. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.679 Very cute little situation there, and uh, that's when they 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.480 can really take it anywhere they want to go. UM, 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.720 As I understand it, not necessarily like well, by law, yeah, right, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.359 by law you can't. You're supposed to ask. But for 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.240 the most part, it's like, yeah, but socialization is a 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.320 big deal. Um. Like you said, they tried to expose 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.400 puppies to at least five new experiences a week, so um, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.960 everything from other dogs being around, to being in a 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:35.280 shopping mall to going to jim Boree and having screaming kids, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.560 you know, throwing their poop all over the place. Actually, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:40.919 I don't know. If I take a puppy to be 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.399 trained to jim bree, it's probably that's probably like the 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.520 proving ground. Yeah, yeah, they can ignore that, um. But 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.640 basically what they want to do is develop a good 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.480 relationship with a dog, which will eventually transfer to their handler. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:19:00.160 And we're talking about learning obedience, like just basic obedience. Um, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.120 all guy dogs are taught not with treats. And there's 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.159 a very very good reason why you don't want to 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.439 teach a dog with treats, because if you have a 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.760 guy dog that's like food is a reward, and I 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.880 think a lot about food. As a matter of fact, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:18.040 you could say I'm fixated on food boys. Yeah, and 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.280 you take that guy dog into like a dinner or Nathan's, 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.000 that guy dog's gonna have some real problems concentrating. So 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.440 you use praise and then correction through like just a 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:36.320 tug on a leash. Yeah, that's typical, like Caesar Milan stuff. Yeah, 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.200 one of those two. I saw one the other day 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.240 where he was training a dude was scared of dogs. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.480 An adult, he had grown kids. He was like in 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.800 his probably late forties, and he was still frightened of dogs. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.919 And it was h like every stupid episode of that show, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:59.239 very emotional. Wells that music is pretty man up right 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.440 at the right time. Um, so wait, hold on, Chuck, Yeah, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.439 I think we should do a little public service for 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.600 our listeners out there and teach them the whiz Bang, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.680 a one no fail method of house breaking a dog 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.200 in as little as one day. All right, let's hear it. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.800 Do you want me to Yeah, I've had my mean 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.920 my dog poops every day and eats it herself, so 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.600 I've done a poor job. Luckily peace when it thunders. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.159 Do you have a thunder shirt for him? Yeah? I 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.200 got We call it thunderbuddy. It helps a little bit. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.840 But if we're not home and it's thundering, he'll he'll pee. 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.159 Do you give him sed it is or anything? No, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.520 it's just you know, I just clean up the pay alright. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.480 So yeah, if you have a puppy, Yeah, they say 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.400 you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I don't 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.119 know if that's true or not. But with a puppy 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.160 it's easier. I think that should be you can't teach 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.719 an old dog new tricks, Comma, I don't know if 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.480 that's true or not, semi colon. With a puppy, it's easier. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.359 That should be the full adage. That's the a Ones logan. 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:04.399 So you take you take your puppy outside once an 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.000 hour pretty much and you take them to the same 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.960 place outside and you wait, wait until they finally start 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.320 to go, and when they go, you say, puppy's name 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.800 insert it here, Uh, do your thing, yeah, or whatever 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.920 you choose to say, and then you praise that dog 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.080 like it just saved your life. And then the next 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.520 time you take the dog out again, and you wait. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.560 You do that a couple of times, and then maybe 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.760 by the third or fourth time, you take the dog 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.080 out to the same place and you say, puppy, do 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.080 your thing, and that dog will probably pier poop on 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.440 command for the rest of its life. Yeah, I say, 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.440 go potty, and it works still, especially when it's thundering, 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.240 Go potty. He's like, dude, perfect. And again, the reason 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.160 why you want a dog to that will only pier 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.760 poop on command is because again, you can't have a 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.560 guide dog pooping in public because people be like, well, 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.960 what's we need to legislate guide dogs? Yeah, your dog 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.040 dog pooping a library, Yeah exactly. This lady over here 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.720 is rubbing against the dog while it's pooping. Yeah. Plus, 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.040 you know you don't want your dog taking a big 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.320 dump in front of Forever twenty one because little kids 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.760 at them all will be turned off by that. Uh. So, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.600 like you said, puppies are evaluated um every few months, 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.919 UM during training and UM eventually, like we said, at 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.280 about the year a year and a half mark, the 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.920 saddest day ever happens and you have to take that 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.479 puppy that you raised and turned them over to a school. UM. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.120 And they did an interview with a lady who raised 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.240