1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost same 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: As episode this week where we recap Bachelor in Paradise singing. 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Why are we sing? I don't know it felt good. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't know it felt good. Well, you were singing before, 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: and so I just rubbed off on me. Actually I'm 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: going crazy. I'm currently sitting in my basement right now. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: I've been down here for six days. I can't put weight. Okay, 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: So here's a big update from my surgery last last Tuesday. Um, 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: they got in there, yeah, I know, replacement, but then 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: it got worse. So, like, I have this disease going 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: on on my knee where my uh tissues eating at 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: it itself and so it's like causing inflammation that like, 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: so they had to grind it off my like bone. 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Um and so yeah, and then my meniscus was super 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: messed up, which most people like, Hey, I've tore my 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: meniscus before, but you want your meniscus. So they stitch 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: it up and they tell me I can't have any 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: weight on my knee. Listen to this for six weeks, Ashley. 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: That means you cannot stand for six weeks without being 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: on a crutch on a crutch, um can't drive. Um, 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm like kind of locked in. Didn't you have like 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: a zilion flights? I have a zillion flights. I have 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: two board meetings, and then I also have a wedding 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: coming up. And this pushes me, Like I'm gonna be 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: walking The official date of our wedding is two weeks after. 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I'll be ready to uh ready to put weight on 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: it again, Like I don't know what I'm gonna do. Okay, 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: So basically when you're joking about walking down the aisle 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: with a cane and is it's a reality now, but 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: like still super on brand for you, you know, wanted 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: to host the elderly edition of the Bachelor, and like 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: you can still do like this old school classic Hollywood 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: charm thing with it. Like I can see like Caring 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Grant with a kid. Right, I'm fine with it, and 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: I know Jess as good with it. Um, But yeah, 37 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: I was just a little more intense than they than 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: they expected that I expected. I'm feeling fine and I 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: get off. I think today is my last day on 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: like pay medication, Like this is day six and I've 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: only taken one a day now. I was like three 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: UM for the first two days, and obviously my history 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: of pay medication is not a good one, and so 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm down to one UM and I think tomorrow I'll 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: be able to just go to Thailand all, which will 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: be great for me personally, and I'm feeling pretty good, 47 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: like mentally about it. But um, yeah, wild you know 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Are you 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: gonna need like a full blown knee replacement in a 50 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: couple of years? I think so. I think that's what's 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: going on now, you know what. I'm getting married, though, 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm just calling I'm I'm calling it in. 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do the best I can for as 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: long as I can. Uh. Jessica had to leave town 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: so she can even be cake testing and her wedding 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: dress shops. And my mom has been out here helping 57 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: me out a lot, which has been super amazing and 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: really good for us, because it just spent me. I'm 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: not very fun right now, but at least we have 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: to hang out together and spend some good time together. Um, 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: I guess what, and then we can move on to 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: the podcast. I don't know if anybody cares about this, 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: but I woke up from my surgery and I told 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: the nurse. I said, hey, I don't want my mom 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: or Jess back here until I'm like semi coherent because 66 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: I say weird stuff in my regular life, like all 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the time. And uh, and I can't imagine I'm gonna 68 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: say when I wake up from anesthesia. And so finally 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: they came back. I still don't remember and coming back, 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: but the nurse decided I was good enough for them 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: to come back. And the nurse goes, hey, but what 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: would you like to drink? Um? And I wass tequila 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: soda and she's like, you know, She's like, we have 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: apple juice, we have orangees like tequila soda or nothing. 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: She's like, we'll get your water. I said, that's good. Hey, 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: we got a good podcast coming for you today. Super 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: cool episode. Um, a lot going on in paradise, a 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: lot of things to follow up on. We're gonna take 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: a break here. When we come back, we're gonna break 80 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: down the headlines of this week and also break down 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: this week's episode, a Bachelor in Paradise, which is a 82 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: good one. We'll be back with the Almost Famees Podcasts. 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: It's time to break down this week's episode of Bachelor 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: in Paradise. You all watched, we watched, and we're into it. 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Like we're into it, Ashley. We start out this with 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: the cocktail party. Um, I just want to start out 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: from the beginning and say, I'm really excited for Titus. 88 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: I just like him as the host. He brings a 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: good energy. I I was questioning their their host choices 90 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: when it got announced, just like it just like it 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense and still doesn't make sense to me 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: on why they chose who they chose. But I've actually 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of enjoyed the small snit like segments with each hoast. Yeah, 94 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: I think they could have utilized each hose a little 95 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: bit more. They may have. We just may not have 96 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: seen it, because sometimes it's like, Wow, you came on 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: the guest host and like you literally had one scene 98 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: beyond the hello and goodbye scene. But I also would 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: think I think it's where they didn't have a female 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: host at some point. Um, but yeah, they're fun. I 101 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: had a point that I, oh, I, yeah, here's my point. 102 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: I am so tired of hearing the little John. Are 103 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: you looking for I mean, like I have I said 104 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: this before, probably just like we're looking for eligible old 105 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: bachelors if you want to be on the New But yeah, 106 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, wow, the stick is all it is. 107 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: And the thing with a little John is like he's 108 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: a brilliant dude who's a great host. I feel like 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: they could have utilized him in different ways other than 110 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: just repeating his like one thing over and over, Like 111 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: they could have had him do a bunch of little 112 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: funny but instead they just use the same thing over 113 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: and I get that. Yeah, they could have been creative 114 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: with it, like every week there was something different, because 115 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: he's good, like he has a lot, he's really good 116 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: at this. He just they just didn't like, I think 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: you made a good point. Goods like it's been fun. 118 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: They could have used utilized them more. But here's diving 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: into this week's episode. This where I want to start it. 120 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: There's one rule and here's where I uh as an 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: alumni of the show and listeners, you're fans of the show, 122 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: which now I am as well. That's about That's kind 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: of my title is a fan of the show actually 124 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: is a fan of the show. Um, there's only one rule, 125 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: and anybody can blame editing. That's a common excuse and 126 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: it can pretty much be thrown out there anytime anybody 127 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: wants it, and it never sticks because you always see 128 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: through that like excuse. The one rule of this show 129 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: is that you can't come onto the show in a relationship. 130 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like Well said, yeah, which 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: is what will Well said. I feel like it's kind 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: of the theme of the last two weeks here is 133 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: like anybody that comes off of this and we're all 134 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: watching them and we're waiting for there. They're doing these 135 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: like responses on Instagram of hey, I'm you know, I'm 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: either sorry, I'm not sorry for what I did, but 137 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: they blame it on eddying. It's like, no, no, no, 138 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: let's just be clear. You had a relationship coming into 139 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: the show. That's the only rule. You broke it as 140 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: a result. Those consequences. They don't have to be terrible. 141 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: People don't have to hate you for it. But like 142 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: it's not okay, Yeah, is that fairly okay? Yeah, Yeah, 143 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: it's totally fair. And yeah, I mean, like Bachelor Nation 144 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: can get really heated over and say like crazy things 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: on these people's instagrams. That's not fair. I understand that 146 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: these people like trying to, like I feel like they 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: need to defend themselves. We'll get a little bit further 148 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: into this during Hot Topics when we talked about some 149 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: of these apologies, but even like Piper said something during 150 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: New York Fashion Week, so here's a teaser for you 151 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: guys us to stick around for headlines, and I was 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: just like, I feel like you are continuing to lie, 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: Like why can't you disat least at this point, you're 154 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: going to come across way more likable if you just 155 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: face up and you'll be honest. Well and yeah, well 156 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: we'll dive into this because I have some strong opinions 157 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: on everybody's apologies um or statements or have you calm 158 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: and I get the people are mean and come on, 159 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: we're not for that ever, Like you don't have to 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: like destroy these people because of the choices that they 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: made to try to get some fame, Like that's that's 162 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: that's that we can be upset about it. They should 163 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: leave the show, that you can even stop following them with, 164 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: which I think is was a really strong statement. But 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: you don't have to hate the human like that's never okay. 166 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: But we still have strong opinions on this. Okay, let's 167 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: dive in this episode. It's it's the cocktail party, actually 168 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: take it away, alright, so five girls are going to 169 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: leave so many or so or so we think, Um, 170 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: so there's like a lot of pressure, and the girls 171 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: are saying, like when you see them chit chatting that 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: it seems like it's going to be Demi on the 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: chopping block. Um, possibly Chelsea, who I was a little 174 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: confused by because I thought she did have a good 175 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: date with Aaron. They talked about how just send you 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: is on the chopping block. Tammy's gonna get cut off, 177 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: we think, and then Deandrew, those are the predicting. Those 178 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: are who like the girls are predicting or on the 179 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: chopping book. But you know what just strikes me right 180 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: then is what about Tia, who we definitely feel like 181 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: it's in partnered with anybody. And what about Kendall who 182 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: we definitely haven't seen with anybody, but during the cocktail 183 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: hour we see them with guys. All of a sudden, 184 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Tia is kissing James and Kendall is kissing Ivan. Where 185 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: did that come from? Yeah? You know what, it's interesting 186 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: because you would have felt like I understand that we 187 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot from like the T and James 188 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: coupling up doesn't feel that interesting to me. Now they're 189 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: both interesting as humans and as characters, but like that 190 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: relationship felt like okay, it probably yeah, Fickle just blossomed 191 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. But I'm surprised we haven't. That the 192 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: show didn't dive more into Kindle and Ivan, or at 193 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: least and we see it later on one scene. Just 194 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: needed one scene of them connecting. That's it. We had 195 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: no clue. But when I and again we're gonna go 196 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: to do this in chronological order. When I first see 197 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: Kindle and Ivan together, I think, in my mind, wow, 198 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: this could work, Like this is an interesting couple that 199 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: feels like they have a lot of things in common. 200 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Totally totally agree. It's interesting to me. M I know, 201 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: I agree. So um. Then the big thing that happens 202 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: during this cocktail party is that is Brendan and Piper right. 203 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: They they end up leaving because they're confronted by Joe 204 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: and the posse of a lot of the single girls 205 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: saying like, okay, really, what you did was exactly like 206 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: what Chris did and they left yesterday, so I think 207 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of appropriate if you guys also escorted yourselves out. 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: And then we get more into the logistics of like 209 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: how many times they hung out. You know, Piper said 210 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: they hung out ten times, and Brennan said that they 211 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: hung out like twice. And what he said he clarified 212 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: that they had hung out in like privacy, like to 213 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: two or three dinner dates, and it's like that is 214 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: a lot. That is a lot of personal private time. 215 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: Let's not downplay that. Two or three dinner dates plus 216 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: the additional group hangs like that is a lot. So 217 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: he gets annoyed. You know, there's just more. There's more annoyance, 218 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: like oozing out of their pores. But everybody has good 219 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: points and um the and then we see more like 220 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: sketchy stuff from them because they're sitting on that bed, 221 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: Piper and Brendan talking about followers and money, and she's like, 222 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: I have a master's degree in marketing. I should be 223 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: able to get um, I should be able to get 224 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: followers on my own and it's just like crazy, I've 225 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: never Okay, so a little sneak peek we have just 226 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: send you coming on for her own episode this week 227 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: and you're gonna really love that episode. And one of 228 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: the things that you send your brings up a little 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: sneak peak about it is like you all know that 230 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: you're being filmed and you have a mic on, Like 231 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: everybody is aware of this, and they know that they're 232 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: being filmed all the time. You're never you don't have 233 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a place really to hide, and if you are hiding 234 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: and you're saying stuff that's like intriguing to the producers, 235 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna find you and they're gonna find a way 236 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: to record you doing this. They talk about followers and 237 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: fame so much that it's it's like, it's surprising to 238 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: me of the lack of awareness about where they're at 239 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: because I know and like I know, during my time 240 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: on the show, you are cautious of what you're saying, right, 241 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Like you don't want to come off incorrectly. It's always 242 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: something in the back of mind. And yes, you do 243 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: get more comfortable as you go and you start to 244 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: say things and do things, and maybe you wouldn't have 245 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: done it the first week, but you're still aware. And 246 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: so if you know that like followers in fame, which 247 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: everybody at some level is intrigued by I don't think 248 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: to say interested in, and they're not necessarily motivated by it. 249 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: Like I don't think Kindle is there on the beach 250 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: right now motivated by more fame. I think she had 251 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: a legit like desire to figure some stuff out. So 252 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: not everybody is motivated by it, but everybody is aware 253 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, they're talking about talking about it so much, 254 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and it's like like what are you doing? Like stop, 255 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: it's mind blowing. My thought is probably that they may 256 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: have been thinking if the camera isn't honest, like if 257 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: there isn't a camera crew in the room, so listeners 258 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: out there are like there are I can't I don't 259 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: even know the number. I'm gonna say five or six, 260 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: like big cameras that will follow the cast around in Paradise, 261 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: but there are. There are cameras launched to like the 262 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: ceiling in every room, like you're constantly being recorded. But 263 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: my thought is that with Brendan and Piper, they thought 264 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: if like the camera crew wasn't there with the big camera, 265 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: they weren't being filmed, and that they were relatively safe. 266 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: I don't know like how they possibly could have. And 267 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: and my thought is also that the producers saw their 268 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: behavior without the camera crews in there, and they were like, Okay, 269 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: we're not even gonna put a crew in there. We're 270 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: just gonna keep using the this, this the ceiling cameras 271 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: to capture these insane conversations. And when I say insane, 272 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna are they I mean inappropriate? They're they're inappropriate 273 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: because it does take away from, like I mean, in 274 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: the in the process of them doing this, there is 275 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: people in pain, like the Natashas of the world. You know, 276 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: um peop are getting hurt by their desire for fame, 277 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: and so it's inappropriate, um but not absolutely like crazy. Yeah, 278 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't mean in saying I'm at least they're saying 279 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: it like it's this taste, you know. At least they're 280 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: saying it like at least there's one thing about them, 281 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: at least admitting that this is where they're there. Now, 282 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: I do have to apologize because two weeks ago, when 283 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: I was on the podcast, I took last week off. Obviously, 284 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I did say that what we knew was going to happen, 285 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: or maybe this was last week actually I said they 286 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: were going to get more followers on this. I was wrong. 287 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: You were wrong. This was shocking to me that Bachelor 288 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: Nation actually did the opposite to them, Like, I never 289 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: saw that coming. I've never seen that happen. Like typically 290 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: even the biggest of villains, the ones that shake stuff 291 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: up the most, still get more followers for doing that. 292 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: I did not expect them to lose followers. I was wrong, 293 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: and I have to admit that. Okay, let me look 294 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: up a Bachelor Data has right now as like the 295 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: what happened last week, Because you guys know we had 296 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: Bachelor Data, a girl who runs this Instagram account come 297 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: on our podcast a couple of months ago. We'll round 298 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: the numbers about a bit. It looks like Natasha gained 299 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: over a hundred and eighty thousand followers from last week's episodes, 300 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: Piper went down about seven thousand, and Brendan went down 301 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: about sixty And this these stats are from six days ago. 302 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean that that is wild to me, Ashley, Like, 303 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. Um, but bachel Nation spoke. 304 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: They've obviously shared their peace and this did backfire on them. Now, okay, 305 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: back to the show. So we see the group coming 306 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: to them and I and I had mixed feelings about it. 307 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: I do think Joe's and I said this a couple 308 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, He's a wise dude. I do think 309 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: his intentions by saying, hey, everybody's bad mouthing them behind 310 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: their back, I want to have this conversation with them. 311 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: I think it was a great move for Joe, Like, 312 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: I think that was a respectful thing to do, is 313 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: say hey, let's stop just bad mouthing him, let's actually 314 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: go to them. Now. Did it need to be eight people? 315 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: That felt a little aggressive, but everybody was interested, everybody 316 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: was into it. Um, it got pretty hostile, and I 317 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: felt like, um, Brendan and Piper both immediately knew that 318 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: they were kind of pushed into a corner. And I 319 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: want to know what you think of how Brendan responded 320 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: to this conversation, because there was a lot of what 321 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I know how I get when like a 322 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: lot of voices are coming at me kind of like 323 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: an intervention, um, and like you get defensive. But like 324 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: it got it got to the point where they just left, 325 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: and it felt like it was probably the best move 326 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: for them to do. But what what would you how 327 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: have you of reacted if that, like if eight people 328 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: walked up to you on the beach with that kind 329 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: of attitude, I mean, it's easy to say that I 330 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: would have just been like, Okay, guys, I get it. 331 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: We messed up. We did. We're sorry, Like, you're right, 332 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: we did come here thinking that we were going to 333 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: be together. That's the best move. I feel like maybe 334 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: under the pressure and in the midst of the conversation, 335 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: I would be defensive like that. It's interesting that when 336 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: they did that go off to have their own personal conversation. 337 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: Piper said, I told you I didn't want to do this, 338 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: which is just like further evidence to me that, like 339 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of planned. Yeah it was. Yeah. So anyways, 340 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: they leave, they both are very upset in the van. 341 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: But I do think it it resettles the beach a 342 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: little bit, Like I think the I really I really 343 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: am watching this and feeling like most of the cast 344 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: are getting along here, like we've kind of gotten rid 345 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: of the hostile city and the issues now and now 346 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: like love stories of meal bossom, which happens the most season. 347 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: But I do think it resettled the beach. Um. I 348 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of I think I 349 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: think there was a big, a big thing kind of 350 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: sitting over like a cloud sitting over and with Piper 351 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: and Brendan still being there and Natasha being so hurt, 352 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: and it felt like, Okay, there's a breath. But at 353 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: this point in time, I'm watching this going yeah, but 354 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: Natasha is still the one gonna get hurt of this, 355 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Like she's still gonna go home because of all this. 356 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: And that's even sadder until we're at the rose ceremony 357 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: and Wells comes up and says, you know, I feel 358 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: like there's somebody that he was really screwed over and 359 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: played and it just wasn't right. So then he he 360 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: has poly gun bringing the extra rose for Natasha, which 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: I think was a great move. I think we all 362 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: liked it. I want to know how just Senia felt 363 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: about that. Did you get to talking about did you 364 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: get to talking about that with her? I didn't. It's 365 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: a good question personally, find there that to be different 366 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: because just send had her time with Ivan and then 367 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: she moved on, and then Connor b was interested in 368 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: her and she moved on. Yeah. I just I just 369 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: feel like it was totally like Natasha kind of had. 370 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: The reason I didn't ask to send you is because 371 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: of that, it was like, can you really compare to 372 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: not both are unfortunate like both, but like just send 373 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: your storyline is a little more similar to like what 374 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: happens in Paradise. You date around, you end up not 375 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: finding somebody whatever. Natasha was kind of like all eyes 376 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: on Brendan because she thought he had only eyes for 377 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: her for a while and then she gets messed over 378 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: and so she kind of like didn't get her shot. 379 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: That's the way I see it, and so that's why 380 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily like comparable but still unfortunate, but not comparable. 381 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: I was surprised. I wonder if you are, um because 382 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: I just look at Natasha and like I've you know, 383 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: we've said it, but like I've been a fan of her, 384 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: um uh, you know, during her time on the podcast, 385 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: and just like her time on the show, I kind 386 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: of see her like a little bit like on a pedestal, like, oh, 387 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: she's like really just incredible and she can do so 388 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: well in this world and all this stuff. I was 389 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: surprised by her emotion to wanting to be there still, 390 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: like explained to me Ashley, like why you think she 391 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: was so emotional over still getting your rose and still 392 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: being able to be around Because for me, I'm watching mean, like, Natasha, 393 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine in this world, Like guys are 394 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: gonna like they have to be flocking for her. I 395 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: think that a lot of it has to do with 396 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: just like the support of the friendships there and like 397 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: people were happy to see her get that chance. So 398 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: I think, like when you're surrounded by people who are 399 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: who are like rooting you on that hard, that's a 400 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: good point. That's a good point, yeah, because like how 401 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: often life are you kind of like feeling kicked and 402 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: pushed around and then you have I mean, how many 403 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: people are there? So like can people go no, Like 404 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: we want to find the best way to support you. 405 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: So good move on the show's part. Good move on 406 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: Wells as part um. Happy to see Natasha is still there. 407 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Any shockers from that Rose ceremony for you, I think, 408 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: can just I mean, Demi leaves. I don't think it 409 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: was shocking that Demi left, but at the same time, 410 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: she's such a figurehead and like to see like somebody 411 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: like that leave at a Rose ceremony just by getting 412 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: like quote kicked off is kind of always like a 413 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: little shocking, And I think what Joe said was so right, Like, 414 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: she puts on this tough exterior, but she's like really upset. Um. 415 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: So I think we'll miss the commentary from Demi. I 416 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: do appreciate the fact that earlier in the episode she 417 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: was kind of the one that rallied the conversation that 418 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Joe and all the girls had because she was like, 419 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: you guys like Brendan, and that's the reason you're not 420 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: giving Brendan as much crap as you gave Chris, because 421 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: you guys didn't like Ris. So I'm glad that she 422 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: was kind of the brigade leader there. Um. But you know, 423 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: she had a lot of she she had a lot 424 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: of screen time, and we're not worried about Demi. I'm 425 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: not worried about Demi in any sort of future context. No, 426 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: But you're right, and I think it's one thing like 427 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: for any fan to know and and you obviously know 428 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: him even better than I do. Um. But she puts 429 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: on this tough exterior and then but she's she's so 430 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: incredible and she is she's sensitive and she's sweet. Um, 431 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: and we got to see more of that. I think 432 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: as Paradise continued at the first she kind of came in, 433 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: had that tough exterior, you know, was Dimmi and everybody 434 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: knew of Demmi, and then as time went on, she 435 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: started to kind of like show just how much she 436 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: cares and how much she wants to find somebody and 437 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: how much she wants to find a partner. Um, I'm 438 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: sad to see her go. I enjoyed watching her experience. 439 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: I wonder and we'll obviously get her on here to 440 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: the podcast, But I wonder if she's happy she did 441 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: Paradise this year. If you were to guess, what do 442 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: you think? Um, I think she'll be happy that she 443 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: did it. It may not be as definitive as like 444 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: her past appearances. Yeah, I wonder if we'll see her back. 445 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big question for me. Is hopefully 446 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: she finds somebody in between now. But UM, I wonder 447 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: if this was kind of Demi's you know, semi retirement 448 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: from the show, because you know, I don't I don't 449 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: know if she's if we'll see much more of her 450 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: in the future. Um, which should be sad. I've I've 451 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: enjoy watching Demi. She's very good TV. She's great TV, 452 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: and she is oddly endearing at times. This week's back 453 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: to bracket rule of the week is ten plus points 454 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: if a contestant is seen kissing on a day bed 455 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: on top of already existing kissing points. You guys, I 456 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: think this is going to be pretty easy. I think 457 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: the daybeds are probably the number one spot for makeout. 458 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Sasha's so good luck. So at the rose ceremony, like 459 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: everybody kind of pairs up with who we think we're 460 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: going to pair up? Deandra Demi, Um, we didn't talk 461 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: about Tammy. We gotta talk about Tammy for a second. 462 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: Tammy leaving that poor girl, she like really thought that 463 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: Thomas and her had something, but like didn't they only 464 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: have like a little something something for like two days 465 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: before that becka date. I felt bad it was So 466 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm like the last person to say because I'm the 467 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: person who like falls in love at first sight and 468 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I will be head over heels and obsessed and like 469 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: I will wail over you if I've known you even 470 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: for a night. So I'm like the last person to 471 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: like create doubt over her feelings. But I definitely think 472 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: she misinterpreted things coming from him, And I don't think 473 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: he didn't anything wrong. No, there's no hate on Thomas 474 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: and this like this he did exactly what everybody else 475 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: does during Paradise, is they're dating somebody. Somebody else comes 476 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: to the beach, they go on a date with them 477 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: because they keep their options open, like I'm there, there's 478 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: no issue there. I I watched that scene and I 479 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: was what comes to mind in my notes it that 480 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: I wrote down, was she just put all cards on 481 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: the table, like she made the statement that I think 482 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: I made the Jessica months into our relationship, even if 483 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: if even if I like felt it, she said you're 484 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: my best friend. I know. I couldn't believe she said that. 485 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: I was like, do I everywind? Like that made my 486 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: heart sink, not like not there's no like I have 487 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: no criticism here other than just like my heart sank 488 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: because like that's such a strong statement, and like she 489 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: obviously was like throwing everything out there for him and 490 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: saying like Thomas, like I want you to be it, 491 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: and like he looks at her and says it's not 492 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: it and she they were on two different pages. Um, 493 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that was hard to watch, especially 494 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: seeing her say that because if she means it, which 495 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: I have to believe she did. She was she was 496 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: so off of what Thomas was feeling, and it just 497 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: it hurts, Oh, say he was her best friend makes 498 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: me feel like was there so many conversations that we 499 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: didn't see? I don't, I don't know, I don't know, Ash, 500 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: But it's it's worth noting, right to anybody listening, is 501 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: to like make sure you pay attention to that scene 502 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: and like I want to know how you feel about it, 503 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: all the listeners. So please um message us uh and 504 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: email us and d M s about that because that 505 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: was that was a heavy, heavy scene that was that 506 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: was that was sad. It was really sad. Um, but 507 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, she like put all the blame on Thomas, 508 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: but it was very obvious from the things that we've 509 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: seen that it just was a relationship that was lopsletted. Yeah, 510 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: she put the blame on him, but like not, you know, 511 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: that's not totally like out of the norm. Like she 512 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: was throwing her hired out there and he's like, hey, 513 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: it's just not there, and so you're like you're like, 514 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: oh no, come on, like you're the problem here, and 515 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: like you just do that in breakups, Like I mean, 516 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: that's what that was for her. Yeah, okay, and then okay, 517 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: so Deandrew leaves, but like we kind of knew that 518 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: was coming. And then it just Senia leaves, and we 519 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: had knew that was coming. Um. And then so Chelsea 520 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: stays because Aaron ended up giving her his rose, which 521 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: wasn't shocking to me. And then it's the next day. 522 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: The next day, Little John shows up. He says yeah, 523 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: and uh. Then it's kind of like all happy, go 524 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: lucky in Paradise. The only thing that kind of gets 525 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: shaken a bit is James. James Jim sees Tia with 526 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: this new guy. His name is Blake. He shows up. 527 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: We don't know who Blake is. I have no idea 528 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: who Blake is. He's from Clear slash Chase this season 529 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: from Indiana. I like him. I like him. Yeah, Tia 530 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: was very excited, had her eyes set on him, hoping 531 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: that he was going to be there. So he's a 532 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: good looking dude, very good looking and and and it 533 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: seemed like he was into Tia, like right off the bat. 534 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, she's she's getting a mistake. They 535 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: go on the date, They have a great time. They 536 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: talk about um like soulmates and they are very honest 537 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: about the connection that they're feeling together. So now James, 538 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, he's out of luck, and everybody else is 539 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: like just like thriving, it seems, except for like Kendall 540 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: probably who were not really seeing much of. But Abigail 541 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: and Noah, h Serena and Joe, Kenny and Marie, Riley 542 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: and Marissa and Becca and Thomas. They're all like making 543 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: out and having a great town on the beach. Meanwhile, 544 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: everybody is a little concerned with where Natasha is going 545 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: to find a man. Yeah, so you have James and 546 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Natasha kind of sitting off to the side right now. 547 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: I I want to say that this Tia and Blake thing, um, 548 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, Tea has been around a while. I've gotten 549 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: to spend good time with you. Like I was really 550 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: excited for this moment because there was a connection there 551 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: that like felt like right away, You're like, oh, this 552 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: is I think her feelings towards him, this is how 553 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: I take it. But like her feelings towards him were 554 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: stronger right away, Like she was pretty much like I 555 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: want to go on this date. If he invites somebody else, 556 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm still going to go on that date. I'm gonna 557 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: be And then they go on the date and she's 558 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: sitting there and she just has these like these like 559 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: her eyes for him, like you can read her eyes 560 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: and see that, like she's so into it. And I 561 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: get it these guys from Indiana, like they've got something 562 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: about him. Um, But I really enjoyed that that date 563 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: and that moment for for the two of them, especially 564 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: for Tia. I thought Ta was just showing up to 565 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: the beach with because Becca was there and they're good 566 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: friends and she was just gonna have a good time 567 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: then pretty much like peace out and no, you're seeing that, 568 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: like she really is into this. And then we have James. 569 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk about Natash in a second, but you have James. 570 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you. When I saw James 571 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: on his season The Bachelorette, I thought he was kind 572 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: of just like a joke, Like I thought, you know, 573 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: he's the guy that shows up the box and like 574 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: the guy with the overdone eyebrows exactly first like that, Yeah, 575 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, Like he's fine, but definitely 576 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: not a dude that like I would probably want to 577 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: kick it with. Um, not a guy I would see 578 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: eye to eye with I will say this again, I 579 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: was wrong because I have enjoyed watching him during Paradise 580 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: open up, break down a little bit, become like vulnerable 581 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: and sensitive and make fun of himself, but also just 582 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: like care deeply. Um, I've I've, I've, I've liked him 583 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: a lot more now and I'm saying I see who 584 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: this dude is and it shows me once again the 585 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: lesson I have to continue to teach myself is you 586 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: can't dislike somebody until you know their story. And once 587 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: you know the story, it's really hard not to like him. 588 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: And I think, like I'm liking James Moore, but I 589 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: do think his time has passed, and I think it's 590 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: almost like comedic watching him like I do in my evilness, 591 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: watching like enjoy watching the scenes where he's sitting alone 592 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: eating because it's like this is so sad that it's 593 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: almost funny. Well, this season, maybe more than ever, I 594 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: feel like there are people that are lingering far beyond 595 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: like their do date, do you know what I mean? Okay, Like, 596 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: but I think James and Ivan are like the two 597 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: standouts for me there and maybe a little errand maybe 598 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: he's actually kind of stayed relevant through every episode with 599 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: like a new something something. Um, But I don't know 600 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: what it is, whether they have more of a cast 601 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: and there's more roses or just like the like the 602 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: way that the guys went first, these there's just a 603 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: group that has gotten lucky. I feel like, yeah, and 604 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: he's one of them. And he's definitely one of them. Well, uh, 605 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what I want to say, is 606 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: I want to make it clear that, like I probably 607 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: was too critical of James during his time on this, 608 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: in his season, um, and in Paradise, as always, you 609 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about somebody. I like him 610 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more, a lot more actually. Um. But 611 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: let's let's go on now. Before we talk about the 612 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: Kindle situation, because that's a big one that I want 613 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: to sit on for a second, Let's talk about Joe 614 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: showing up to the beach, a guy that we just 615 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: absolutely love. He was on the podcast Who's an incredible interview, 616 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: really smart, very very caring. Um, he shows up to 617 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: the beach, Ashley, Your first thoughts when he shows up 618 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: to the beach like a breath of fresh air. I'm 619 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: super excited to be there, and I'm like No, this 620 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: guy is such a catch. You should have gone in earlier. 621 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why he didn't. Um, And I'm thinking 622 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: that he and Natasha just on paper, sound like they 623 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: would be pretty compatible. I feel like they have like 624 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: similar levels of emotional intelligence. I feel like they're both 625 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: pretty smart. Uh, they're probably good conversationalist. I just felt 626 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: that that made a lot of sense, and I was 627 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: excited to see that vibe happening. And he seemed so 628 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: gentlemanly like to you know, like everything about him was like, Oh, 629 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: what a catch? What a catch? I e. Everything like 630 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: kind of went downhill towards the end. But what were 631 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: your first thoughts before we get to the actual dinner date. Well, 632 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Joe. I'm assuming that the 633 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: reason he should have plate is because of work and 634 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: he had to request that or whatever. That's just my guess. Uh. 635 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: The thing about Joe that like I admire with him 636 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: is his ability to care deeply about each conversation, Like 637 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: he looks people in the eyes well and he focuses, 638 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: and that takes. That takes not only like like you said, 639 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: it's it's an an awareness. And I was like, Natasha, 640 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: my thought right away was Natasha needs this date with 641 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: Joe for no other reason than to have somebody look 642 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: her in the eyes and deeply care about her and 643 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: where she's at and what she's looking for. And if 644 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't work, like if there isn't chemistry, that's okay, 645 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: but at least she's going to get a date. We're 646 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: somebody listens to her. And that's what my hope was. 647 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: And so then he asked he on the date we 648 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: get to the date, it feels like to me, it's 649 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: going fine. It's not maybe like there's not like, it's 650 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: not fireworks, but it's going fine. And and she obviously 651 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: had a lot to work through. Um, he's brand news 652 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: to the beach, and then the big moment happens before 653 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: we get there. How cute was it when he tried 654 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: to speak in Spanish and then when he took her, 655 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: bugged her, bugged Margarita. It's that's he's he's a good dude. 656 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, I don't think he's showing off 657 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: his intelligence, but daying his intelligence is attractive. Like he 658 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: speaks in Spanish. I think when he was on our 659 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: podcast he was talking about how many languages he spoke, 660 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: he speaks a bunch, he's trying to speak a bunch 661 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: and um, and then he takes her bug margarity like 662 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: he's just he if he's a guy that like if 663 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: I had a sister, I'd be like, you need need 664 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: to go on a date with Joe to know that 665 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: there's good dudes out there. You know what I'm saying, Like, 666 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, fine, but at least you're gonna 667 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: have a good date. And and so that's the setup 668 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: I want to bring into their conversation about Brendan. And 669 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: so obviously, as we all know from Instagram and from 670 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: the world, Brendan and Joe are very close. They're they're 671 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: good friends, their best to remember what he said to 672 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: us on the podcast, he said, if you do go 673 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: to Paradise, who do you want to see down there? 674 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: From Bachelor Nation? And he said Brendan. Well, so, and 675 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: and I don't know, Ashley, if it's a coincidence, if 676 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: it's ironic, because it is extraordinary timing that Natasha is 677 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: kind of the one single woman on the beach and 678 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: Joe shows up, and as soon as they start having 679 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: this conversation, it can go one of two ways. It 680 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: can either go to a place of let's not really 681 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: talk about it because there's so much here for us 682 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: to process that it's like not really helpful, or let's 683 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: dive into it and try to work through it. But 684 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: it felt like Joe's care for Brendan is so strong 685 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: that as soon as she brought it up, he pulled back, 686 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: and his intelligence and his his awareness all of a 687 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: sudden like went away, and he just was like, I 688 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: just I just can't. I need to process this. This 689 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: is so much, And he's like, we can just like 690 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: now take it slow. Like it felt like all of 691 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, Yeah, he felt like, oh crap, I'm a 692 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: part of a story that I don't necessarily want to 693 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: be a part of or even knew I could become 694 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: a part of. Yeah, it was a really awkward I didn't, 695 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Um. The only way I 696 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: can like kind of talk about this is kind of 697 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: like flipping it into my own, like my own situation. 698 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: If my best friend screwed some guy over um, but 699 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: then ended up being happy and like whatever relationship they 700 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: ended up in, would I have an is you dating 701 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: the person that she screwed over? Well? I don't know 702 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: that that really matters. I don't think it matters to 703 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: I don't think Joe knows how little it would matter. 704 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: Like I think at this point, he's only getting a 705 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: taste of the information, and so I think she's thinking. 706 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: I think from what he understood is like maybe Brendan's 707 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: going to be pissed at me. Yes, yeah, Like am 708 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: I am I starting to walk into something that And 709 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: when I get off of this, I'm going to realize 710 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: that I was a part of something that I shouldn't 711 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: be a part of it. Now I'm gonna lose a friend. 712 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: And I'm also just like this new relationship with Ta 713 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: Tasha's brand new, and I don't know if I'm like 714 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: that into it yet. I think he had so little 715 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: information but enough to be scared. Um. And that's that 716 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: was my take on it. Um. I could be wrong, 717 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: but it was. It was sad. The reaction was a 718 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: little jarring for me because it seems so immediate, like 719 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: just like hit the hitt of tone just flipped and 720 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: it was like they got up from the table and 721 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: like the date was done. I'm sure they sat at 722 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: the table for like at least an hour, and it 723 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: wasn't as abrupt as it seemed on TV, but it 724 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: definitely seemed like, oh, they can't handle the awkwardness. I 725 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: don't know. If I'm in that situation, I think i'd 726 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: like continue on and be like, Okay, let's change the 727 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: topic to something lighter. We can always come to back 728 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: to this later or something. It was awkward, it was 729 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: it was awkward to watch. It was weird to watch, 730 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: and it was sad. But my hope is that, you know, um, 731 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: this whole Paradise season, it feels like it's set up. 732 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: We're getting late into it, but it's set up for 733 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: this like magical moment for Natasha, and it's still hope. 734 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm still hopeful that, like we're just continuing to root 735 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: for her and she's continuing to get like unfortunate circumstances, 736 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: and then at some point, somebody's gonna show up to 737 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: the beach sweep her off her feet, and then she 738 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: just might enjoy like a week. They're like, that's my hope, 739 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of cheering for. That's a hope 740 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: for sure. But I think at this point it's pretty oh, wait, 741 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: there are two men coming in next week, next episode 742 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: so could happen, and she she could just have fun 743 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: for a little while. Wille We'll see um. But Okay, Ashley, 744 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: the majority of our conversation to day, I do want 745 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: to sit down with you and talk about Kindle and 746 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,479 Speaker 1: Joe because I feel like, now, for the first time, 747 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: we do understand that Kendall has been exploring something with Ivan. Um. 748 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: We see this Joe relationship just becoming magical. Um. And 749 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: so let's start with the good. Joe is somebody who 750 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: obviously we're cheering for since the beginning. He shows it 751 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: the beach, it's hard for him. He meets Serena and 752 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: it feels very similar to kind of like the Kindle 753 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: process with Joe, where it's like she doesn't fully know yet, 754 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: he's not fully into it yet. And then all of 755 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: a sudden they're like, no, let's do this thing. And 756 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: the more they get this time around each other, the 757 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: more beautiful it becomes. And Serena is talking to Wells 758 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: and she said and he asks her, like, hey, has 759 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: there been the love word thrown around? And she says 760 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: not yet, And he asked if it's coming, and she 761 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: says it could be. She is smitten with Joe she's 762 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: kissing his shoulder, which is like the sweetest thing ever, 763 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: Like that's just incredible. Um, and we see this relationship 764 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: becoming really something special. She admits to Joe that she's 765 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: falling in love with him. He says it back, and 766 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: for me, there's just she says, I think I like 767 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: you more than you like me. I mean, how nervous 768 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: are you? For that moment? It was like, what this 769 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: whole season, I've been saying that's not the case. I 770 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: guess I was wrong. I think her feelings caught up 771 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: a lot in the past week. Oh but it's also actually, 772 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's also everybody out there knows it. It's 773 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: a way to protect yourself as you know you're about 774 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,439 Speaker 1: to say something that's so vulnerable. You're like, I think 775 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: you like I like you more than you like me, 776 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: just to set yourself up for failure, Like you're you're 777 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: expecting him to not say it back, and so you're like, Okay, 778 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: at least I said that, like everybody does it. But 779 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: that's when you also know just how real it is. 780 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: Where she's like, I want to say this to you, 781 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: and I need to protect myself because my heart is 782 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: so much on the line right now, and then she 783 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: says it, and he says it back to her, and 784 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know. For me, it was 785 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: just this moment of like glee, like it was a 786 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: moment of celebrate, like I'm watching this like this is 787 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: so beautiful, like we're seeing when this show works, like 788 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: what it can look like. And I was thinking about 789 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: Kendall over there, But I was also thinking like, okay, 790 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: like this is real, this is real. I'm glad this 791 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: is mutual now because I wasn't on precent sure that 792 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: it was like on they were on even playing field. 793 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: But then I'm thinking about Kendall over there, who's watching it, 794 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: which sucks. I would have removed myself earlier than Kendall did. 795 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: But you know, those situations, we were like, it's painful 796 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: to watch, but if I'm not watching been what's happening 797 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: and I must be in the know. So I see 798 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: her dilemma on that. So that's where we can transition then, 799 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: and we can sit on this for a bit. Kindle mh, 800 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I wish you would have walked away 801 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: quicker um. At this point, she has now become very 802 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: aware that Joe is pursuing Serena. And I think Joe 803 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: has a huge heart, and I can't imagine it's easy 804 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: for him to be fostering this relationship with Serena in 805 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,479 Speaker 1: front of Kendle, but he cares enough that he knows 806 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: it's his only option. Kindle's watching this with Ivan sitting 807 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: right behind her. I'm now beginning to feel for Ivan 808 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,439 Speaker 1: because he has to, like he's into Kindle and he's 809 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: sitting there as she just stares at her ex boyfriend 810 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: and said and is watching this go down, And it's 811 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: breaking my heart for her because there's no situation in 812 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: life where this has to happen except here, and it sucks. So, Ashley, 813 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: how are you feeling about Kindle during this whole scenario. 814 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: You've already said you think she should have left like earlier, 815 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: but she couldn't have. So as she's sitting there, like, 816 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: is her mind spinning in her heart just breaking? Yeah, 817 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: it's just like so broken. It's like you're literally just 818 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: watching a heart shatter. I feel like, um, I don't 819 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: know how she did it, especially sitting next to Ivan. 820 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,399 Speaker 1: I'd be like, get I guess she made the move 821 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: that I would have been like, Okay, Nope, can't be 822 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 1: next year right now. Gross. You're a very wonderful man. 823 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: But even if you're a Brad Pitt right now, I 824 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: would say gross. You know what I mean? Uh, it 825 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: is it's so unnatural, Like it's so not supposed to 826 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: happen to your heart like that. It's hard enough to 827 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: see your ex move on on Instagram or to even 828 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: like not even see a picture on Instagram, but to 829 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: like see like likes and comments and like to in 830 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: your in your head to be thinking about like, oh, 831 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: is that is that a thing? Um? And then you 832 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: start a mad the thing and then like you might 833 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: be totally exaggerating and maybe it's not, but like to 834 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: see it definitively in front of your eyes is like 835 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking thing that somebody can see. I get that. 836 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: And and it's like, you know, we always say it 837 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: like in relationships and breakups. It's like you have to 838 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: get that band aid ripped off so you can start 839 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,959 Speaker 1: to heal like that. You know you have a big wound. Yeah, 840 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: that wound is need stitches. Yeah, you're right, and it 841 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: just keeps getting deeper and deeper. I'm also now realizing 842 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 1: and we always kind of said it. But like Kendall 843 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: came to the beach because she was in love with 844 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: Joe so much, like I'm seeing that now, like I'm 845 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: seeing I always knew that she was interested in Joe 846 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: and she wanted to figure out like what was going 847 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: on there, if there was anything. But they've been broken 848 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: up for a year and a half, and now this 849 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: scene showed me that, like she is really really into Joe, 850 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: like she has not moved on and now and this 851 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: is definitely the time where you have no shame. You 852 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: just put it out there, you know, like you know 853 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: that she's going to say everything unfiltered to him whenever 854 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: they do have this upcoming conversation because you know it's coming, 855 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 1: and then he's gonna tell her that he's in love 856 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: with somebody else, and holy crop, how do you do it? 857 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you're right. And I usually don't 858 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: like to be a part of these conversations, but I am. 859 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm anxiously awaiting watching them have this conversation because I 860 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: hope that out of it comes some healing. I hope 861 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: out of it, though, like I know, it's gonna be 862 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pain. Um And I also, I mean, 863 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: I guess selfishly. You know, I'm hopeful for this conversation 864 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: because I want to see Joe leave this beach happy, 865 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: and I know that like, as long as this is 866 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,359 Speaker 1: still existing, he's gonna have like this is like the 867 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: one thing that he needs to probably like remove and 868 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,959 Speaker 1: that kindle needs to remove so that they can both 869 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: move on. And you know, being in joe most position 870 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: isn't easy either, because there's like a lot of guilt 871 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: there because like he still obviously loves Kendall as a 872 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: person and just doesn't want to break her heart, but 873 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:16,320 Speaker 1: like also just knows that his heart is romantically elsewhere. Well, 874 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: it was a big episode. We have a lot to come. 875 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: In the sneak peek, Uh, we do see Kendall telling 876 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: Joe that she never stopped loving him. Um. We do 877 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,720 Speaker 1: see Joe comfort Kendall at this moment, So we're awaiting this. Um. 878 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: We obviously as we didn't talk about a lot any 879 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: about Kenny and Marie, but like we do see them 880 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: go to the boom boom room. Um, we see them, 881 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, continue their relationship. Uh. And one one other 882 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: thing here, Riley and Marissa are falling in love. But 883 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: then Marissa is shown with another guy during the sneak peek. 884 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: Can you believe no? Because we watched them lick whip 885 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: cream off each other's toes. We didn't talk about that, 886 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: and I have to say that was the first time 887 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: I was like, this ship doesn't even feel PG. Thirteen 888 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: Right now, the most rated are I was watching on 889 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: the train with my dad. I was watching on my phone. 890 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: He was not watching, but he like who glanced over 891 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: and I was feeling like I was watching something dirty 892 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: in the presence of my dad. Yeah, you're feeling all 893 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: sorts of ways, like he's looking off your thighs, and 894 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: so I don't know what happens. But even past the 895 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: Kindle and Joe situation, I am so into Riley and 896 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: Marissa being together that I'm very intrigued with what happens 897 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: that she ends up moving. I mean, we see her 898 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: with another guy, like, actually, that can't be fake, Like 899 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: what's going on? So wild? And then Ivan's kissing Chelsea. 900 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: How does this happen? Uh? And then there's a tropical 901 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: storm that shows up and they need to leave the beach. 902 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a wild next couple of episodes. We 903 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: only have a few left I'm kind of sad about 904 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: it being over. I'm kind of sad at the end 905 00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: of every episode, I'm like I could use a little 906 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: bit more. And we don't feel that way very often, 907 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: especially right now with the big shows. We're like, yeah, 908 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: we're ready to move on and try the other season. Um, 909 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Actually, I'm into this season more than 910 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: I expected to be in. So um, let's take a break. 911 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: We come back. We have some Bachelor headlines that we 912 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: want to talk about, but so far, Ashley, I think 913 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,760 Speaker 1: you just said it. What would you rate this season 914 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor in Paradise on a scale of A 915 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: to F. Oh, it's an agree, I would agree, it's 916 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: an A. Well, hey, we'll be back. We'll talk about 917 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: bachelor headlines in just a second. It's now time for 918 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines with our resident expert, Ashley I can Eddie. 919 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: She knows everything and she's gonna share it with us. 920 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: Here we go. ABC taps one of Michelle Young's Bachelorette 921 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: suitors to be the next Bachelor. And here's the crazy thing. 922 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: US Weekly can in confirmed. Now we're not confirming, but 923 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: US Weekly has confirmed. Wow, guys, we are not going 924 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: to know who We're not going to know anything about 925 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: this bachelor until he's already filming, because if they go 926 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: according to their regular filming schedule, which starts in mid 927 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 1: to late September, Um, we we will not be meeting 928 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: him until we will be meeting him until Michelle's season 929 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: premiers on October nineteen. So this guy is going to 930 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: be filming for about a month before um we get 931 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: to even get to know anything about him, which is interesting. 932 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: Um so these girls who are going to be on 933 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: his season are going in blind, and wow, you have 934 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 1: to believe that, like spoilers is going to get out there, 935 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: like we're gonna get spoilers. I think we're gonna know 936 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: who the guy is, and then we're gonna do a 937 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: whole bunch of like social media research on him, right 938 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: like you and I'll be talking about him, but like 939 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 1: as far as like his presence on the show will 940 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: know nothing about that. This comes as a result. I 941 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: guess Tyler Cameron wasn't talks but not not going to 942 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 1: be the lead. And then from Katie's season we had 943 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: Michael A and Paul Justin and I guess Andrew is 944 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: possibly in the running, and Greg who was like oddly 945 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: rumored there to be the Bachelor for a while, all 946 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: of them not going to be um the Bachelor either. 947 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: Well here's my here's my thought. I think this. I 948 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: I think this is wrong. I think it's wrong because 949 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: the girls didn't know what like they were going into. 950 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 1: They literally did not go there for him. They went 951 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: there to be on the Bachelor. I still think Michael 952 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: A Is gonna be the Bachelor. I still think it. 953 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: I still think that, like the show is going to 954 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: find a way to get him to be the Bachelor, 955 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: and this is all a rumor, That's my theory because 956 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: none of this makes sense. And they need a Bachelor's 957 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: season to be very successful, like they need it, and 958 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't think this is the way to make it successful. Yeah, 959 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: unless this guy is so incredible that they know that 960 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,919 Speaker 1: we're going to be obsessed with him on the back 961 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: on Michelle season. Possibly, but I mean I think everybody 962 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: was kind of that way with Michael Ay. So let's let's, 963 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, back up the Brinks truck to him and 964 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,720 Speaker 1: figure out a way to bring his son to filming 965 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: and let's make this happen. Anyways, next headline is this, 966 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,720 Speaker 1: and this is a very serious one. UM. I mentioned 967 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: it a few months ago that one of my best 968 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: friends uh in the world, UM has been struggling with 969 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,280 Speaker 1: lime disease now for the last year and his body 970 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,319 Speaker 1: is is quickly actually shutting down. And UM, he's in 971 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: a ton of testing. He's he has a port a 972 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: pit a pit line in his arm. It's a really 973 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: terrible disease. UM, and I've seen him, UM just really 974 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: suffer with this and so my my heart breaks. And 975 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: this is the headline. The Bachelor's Kelly Flanagan says, line 976 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 1: disease treatment will be intense nine month process. Now Ryan 977 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: said Are also has line disease. So this is the 978 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,240 Speaker 1: second Bachelor Nation person that we know that came out recently. UM, Ashley, Uh, 979 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: can you read uh the excerpt of what's going on. 980 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: But also I just want to say from all of us, 981 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: Kelly Flannagan, if you listen, UM, I'm sorry, Like this 982 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: is really heavy. It's devastating. I have I feel so 983 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: bad for her. It's just like it's so crazy that 984 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: there's just no cure and like there doesn't even seem 985 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: to be like a constant, like it's like a treatment 986 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: that that works for like a majority of people, you 987 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, but um, so, Mkelly is 988 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: going to be going to Boston to be doing a 989 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 1: whole bunch of tests and to try out everything she 990 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: possibly can. She was a Fashion Week this week and 991 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: she said this is gonna be her last hurrah before 992 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: a hectic nine months. She's just going to Boston to 993 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: see doctors there and learn how to maneuver it. And 994 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 1: it's going to be intense. She said. There's could be 995 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,800 Speaker 1: no carbs, no sugar, an oxygen tank for like thirty 996 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: minutes a day, brain wave lasers. It's gonna be extensive. 997 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: But I'm ready to tackle it. She said. I'm pretty 998 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: honest with people in terms of what's going on. I 999 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: can't start this protocol, you know, and be like on 1000 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: forty supplements a day and be on an oxygen tank 1001 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: and not really share that. I know that some people 1002 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: would want to be private about it. But if I 1003 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: can help one or two people even find their diagnosis 1004 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: and try to overcome it, that will just give me 1005 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: a good feeling. We're thinking about you, Kelly. I'm sorry, 1006 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: um if anybody has any information online. I know when 1007 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,720 Speaker 1: I talked about in the podcast, a lot of people 1008 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: responded to my buddy Brandon um with some great insight 1009 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: into like different tricks of the trade, because there's just 1010 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: like not a lot of research out there about it. 1011 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: So sinor Well wishes the Kelly Flannagan um just as 1012 00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: she enters into this process, because it's a hard one. UM. 1013 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: Next headline moving forward is uh. You know, as we announced, 1014 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: Matt James is going to be on this upcoming season 1015 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,399 Speaker 1: of Dancing with the Stars. Uh. And Matt James says 1016 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: girlfriend Rachel has been practicing his Dance with the Stars 1017 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: routine with him, which is which is really cute. It's 1018 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: very cute, and her sister happens to be a dancer 1019 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: and she's been helping. He says that he's been consulting 1020 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: with her about how he can improve the steps. He says, 1021 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,720 Speaker 1: he's whipping her and she's whipping him into shape. And 1022 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: Rachel also like kind of play played with him this 1023 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: weekend on Instagram, joking about the fact that he's not 1024 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: that great of a dancer. Uh. We'll see, but I'm 1025 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: sure that we'll be seeing Rachel in the audience if 1026 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,280 Speaker 1: there is an audience, and this time around being supportive 1027 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: of her love Matt. Now, I just gotta throw a 1028 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,359 Speaker 1: little uh disclaimer in here. One of my uh, one 1029 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: of the people that I love the most in this world. 1030 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,720 Speaker 1: In fact, he knew about my proposal to Jessica before 1031 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: anybody else. Ezra Sosa was a dance on The Bachelor 1032 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 1: Live on Stage tour with me. Uh. He lived on 1033 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 1: the bus with me. He is a joy in a sweetheart. 1034 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: He was just announced as one of the professional dancers. Ezra. Uh, 1035 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna fall in love with him, people. He's incredible. 1036 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 1: Route for him. He has a huge heart. I love 1037 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: him dearly. Uh and uh and he's been so great 1038 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,879 Speaker 1: to me. I'm so excited for him. Um as your 1039 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: Sosa Uh follow him. He's He's great. Anyways, I just 1040 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,760 Speaker 1: want to say that I'm so proud of him. Um. 1041 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: Next headline is Bachelor in Paradise. Is Brendan and Piper 1042 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: lose followers? As we mentioned as Bachelor Nation sides with 1043 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: Natasha Parker in a wild way? So yeah, Like I 1044 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: said earlier in the episode, Natasha ends up gaining about 1045 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand followers and Brendan plummeted close to you know, 1046 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 1: like over seventy thou followers, and then we saw how 1047 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: Piper was losing scheme on social well, she posted a 1048 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:07,839 Speaker 1: TikTok um set to Lizzo's song Rumors. Uh, and these 1049 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: are the lyrics to rumors. If you guys aren't TikTok 1050 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 1: to slash, you don't know the lyrics to lizzos song. 1051 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: It is all the rumors are true. Yeah, what you heard? 1052 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah, I f him and you Yeah, if 1053 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: you believe that, I do. Had to cut some hose loose. Yeah, alright, 1054 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: So that is what Piper decided to post after last 1055 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: week's episodes. Just interesting strategy. Uh yeah, And it's interesting 1056 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 1: because you know, we saw Bachelination kind of come out 1057 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: and support and they rallied together and it's it's wild 1058 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: because we do have a pretty big like viewership for 1059 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: Paradise this year. In fact, Paradise is bringing in more 1060 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: viewers than this last season of The Bachelorette, which is 1061 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: fairly uncommon um and like a history of the show. 1062 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: But it's it's bringing in either the same or a 1063 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: little bit above each week, and we see this group 1064 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 1: of people saying, no, we're going to support who we 1065 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: feel has done right. And that's Natasha, Well, the next 1066 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: headline and it kind of rolls into a Bachelor in 1067 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: Paradise is Piper defends herself after Brendon drama it's a 1068 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 1: TV show. She said, well, I don't know if I 1069 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: can fully agree with that, Ashley, what do you say? Okay, 1070 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: they're kind of like two headlines here, We're gonna build 1071 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: into one because yes, first, Piper took to Instagram to 1072 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: say a gentle reminder that reality TV isn't real. That 1073 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 1: is a blanket statement that really often does not apply 1074 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: to the Bachelor franchise because whenever anybody asked me, is 1075 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: it real, I'm like, I think it is the realist 1076 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: reality TV. There is out there as somebody who has 1077 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: been um apart behind the scenes of multiple reality shows. 1078 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: It's just my life has been drastic each like my 1079 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: heart has been broken, my heart has been mended. I 1080 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: have like, yes, I don't know what about it. That's 1081 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: not real. There's moments that feel manipulated or like set up, 1082 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: but like, as far as realness goes, and I'm not 1083 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: under contract, like I can't. I can't imagine a reality 1084 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,600 Speaker 1: show being anymore real. There's a baby in my belly 1085 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: because of the show. She continues to say, an edited, 1086 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: produced and cut down show isn't going to give you 1087 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 1: every single thing said and done, and an edited and 1088 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: produced show can't show you conversations that happened before filming 1089 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: between friends. I totally understand where she comes from when 1090 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: she says that, yes, have I been frustrated with the 1091 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: edit before? Uh huh, because there's been things omitted. But 1092 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,560 Speaker 1: the things that people are angry about, as far as 1093 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: like Brendan and Piper go so much to that is 1094 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: like what they verbatim said on camera, and you can't 1095 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: take that back. You can't say that you didn't say that, 1096 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 1: because we know you said that, and you can't tell 1097 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: us that there was a context missing from some of 1098 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: those conversations. Anyway, it just doesn't feel, like I said earlier, 1099 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: like you can you can say you can blame it 1100 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: on editing, and at times that's a worthy excuse, but 1101 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,440 Speaker 1: it's not a holistic it doesn't it doesn't fulfill everything. Um. 1102 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 1: But when you say, just to reminder reality to like 1103 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the Bachelor isn't real, Like that's just not true, Like 1104 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: it's not like you can't like none of these people 1105 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,960 Speaker 1: are actors. You can't fake tears, you can't fake heartbreak, 1106 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: you can't fake a baby in a belly, Like this 1107 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: is real stuff. Yeah and okay. So then she continues 1108 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: to further dig herself a hole. In the next headline, 1109 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,479 Speaker 1: which is from her appearance at New York Fashion Weeks, 1110 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: She's at a pretty little thing show and she says this, 1111 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: it is what it is. It happened. I honestly try 1112 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 1: not to live with any regrets. I don't think I 1113 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: have any regrets. What happened happened, and I'll deal with 1114 01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 1: whatever happens next. Um, she said. I was shocked to 1115 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,840 Speaker 1: see everyone there, including him, Brendan, including every relationship that 1116 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: was happening, as new as it was to the viewers, 1117 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 1: was as new as it was to me. Beforehand, Brendan 1118 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,520 Speaker 1: and I obviously had been talking that it wasn't a 1119 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: serious relationship, as we both said on the show. We 1120 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a plan. I have so much going on 1121 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,640 Speaker 1: that I couldn't have put that plan together. But obviously 1122 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 1: I liked him and I was excited to see him there. 1123 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: But that was the extent to it. I mean, that 1124 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: was not the extent to it you had, she said. 1125 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 1: She said, I had no idea he was going to 1126 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: be there. But yet she said, but she did him 1127 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: the day before he left. Yeah, Like I don't know 1128 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: what she's trying to do. Like you said, like if 1129 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 1: they just admitted, like, hey they made a mistake, or hey, 1130 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 1: this is what their plan was, then it's all good. 1131 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: But like you saw him the day he left, Like 1132 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,880 Speaker 1: you you knew he was getting on a to Paradise. 1133 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: You knew you were going to Paradise. You were shown 1134 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,560 Speaker 1: talking to him about like coming there, and when you 1135 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: talk to him, your plan like and also the excuse 1136 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,480 Speaker 1: of I had so much going on, I couldn't have 1137 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 1: come up with a plan, Like, actually, you're one of 1138 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: the busiest people I know, and you have a baby 1139 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,160 Speaker 1: in your belly, Like you still have a plan, Like 1140 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,000 Speaker 1: you can still talk to somebody and be like, this 1141 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,200 Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do tomorrow. You guys weren't creating 1142 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Mission Impossible. It was you were in tom cruise on 1143 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: a mission. I'm pretty sure it was a plan that 1144 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: could have honestly been devised in the time of the 1145 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,680 Speaker 1: phone Callege. I just think this is like there at 1146 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: this point though, it's probably not even a story anymore. 1147 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: Right like next week when I'm gonna be talking about it. 1148 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,520 Speaker 1: I just think they like there's a way out of 1149 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,440 Speaker 1: this for them, that was like respectful to all parties involved, 1150 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,400 Speaker 1: that that like spoke some truth. I think at this 1151 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: point it just goes away. I think, like, I just 1152 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: think it's the wrong way to handle controversy is to 1153 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: one blame everybody else and then too to come up 1154 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: with excuses that just don't fit the narrative that we've 1155 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: seen you telling. And that's where everybody's getting frustrated, and 1156 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 1: that's why everybody's you know, kind of falling off and 1157 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,040 Speaker 1: not following. But um, again, they're at a paradise, so 1158 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,400 Speaker 1: we probably won't be talking about it much. Um, but 1159 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 1: this is another big headline Bachelor Paradise is. Chris Conrad 1160 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: addresses his controversial exit, apologizes for blatant disrespect for just Sina. 1161 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 1: So a different take, a different way to and he 1162 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: apologized to Jacina. Yeah, this is a totally different, far 1163 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: more respectable take, he says, finally watched the episode, and 1164 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 1: I feel like there are a few things I need 1165 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: to be said first and foremost, I'd take complete accountability 1166 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: for my blatant disrespect towards Jasena and handling the situation 1167 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 1: poorly after getting home from filming. Um, he did say. 1168 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 1: He says that he contacted Jasenia privately to apologize, and 1169 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: he said that now I would like to reiterate my 1170 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,440 Speaker 1: sincerious apology, my sincious apologies to her. Now, my past 1171 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: behavior is not a reflection of who I am or 1172 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,600 Speaker 1: who I want to be. It was never my intention 1173 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: intention to maliciously or purposefully hurt anyone on the show. Um, 1174 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I've been doing the work privately to work through my 1175 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: relationship and communication skills. I'm an awful communicator and I 1176 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: need it. I'm an extremely non confrontational person and it's 1177 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: something that needed to be fixed, and I'm glad it's 1178 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 1: been brought to light. Yes, so a different kind of apology, 1179 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,120 Speaker 1: different way to go about it, and I think kudos 1180 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 1: to him for owning up to some of this and 1181 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: then hopefully now there's some healing that can be done. Well, 1182 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: that's all the headlines we have for this week. Actually, UM, 1183 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,600 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to next week. I feel like the 1184 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,360 Speaker 1: controversy maybe kind of behind us a little bit, but 1185 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 1: we've seen the teaser that's maybe not so we'll be 1186 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,200 Speaker 1: on edge about it um. But for this week, I've 1187 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 1: been been. I've been Ashley. Thanks for joining us. A 1188 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: great talking to you guys back. Follow the Benn and 1189 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on IHR Radio or subscribe 1190 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,800 Speaker 1: five wherever you listen to podcasts