1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. Looking for more, visit cardoctorshow 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com for past episodes, repair tips, and Ron's latest insights, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and be sure to subscribe to the Car Doctor YouTube 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: channel for exclusive videos, real repair footage and more. Now 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: start your enginies. The Car Doctor is into garage and 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: ready to take your call er. 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Welcome aboard Ron Any and the Car Doctor, and as always, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you writing along with us this weekend. 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: I am fired up and ready to go. It has 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: been a great week at the show up. We fixed 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: a pile of broken cars and did our thing and 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: helped a bunch of people out and as a matter 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: of fact we were so busy this week. I want 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: to start off by saying, I apologize we didn't get 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: the Instagram or Facebook posts up this week. I think 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: I had one on Monday, but I got to tell you, 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: it was every day. I went in thinking I have 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: to tell this story from this day and this day 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: and this day, and I never got to it because 28 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: we just had so much going on, so many cars, 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: with so many issues. I want to start a new series, 30 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: you know, forget mail bag Monday. I want to do 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: counter confessions or confessions at the counter because some of 32 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: the things people said to us this week. I don't know. 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: I can't get it out of my mind. I don't 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: want to close my eyes and think about it. The 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: little old lady who said, send Danny to give me 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: the riote home, I'll show them a thing or two. 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: just was that kind of a week. But it was 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: also broken cars. It was also a lot of a 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: lot of yea and they weren't they weren't hard to fix. 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: It was it was procedural stuff. 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: You know. 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: One of the biggest myths in order to repair today 44 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: is that if there isn't a check engine light on it. 45 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: There are any fault codes stored in the computer, then 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: there can't be anything wrong with the car, right, Well, 47 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: nothing could be further from the truth. And as a 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: matter of fact, this week's repair will prove exactly that 49 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: a late model Ford Edge came up to the shop. 50 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: It had one complaint. It doesn't like to start. It's random, 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: it's intermittent, and it just won't start. Sometimes it wouldn't fire. 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll fire up, sometimes it won't. And of course, 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, we got to it and it started right up. 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: Now the owner's frustrated, and I don't blame them, right 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: The vehicle had been to multiple repair facilities, multiple attempts. 56 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: The parts cannon had been fired. It was you know, 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: shiny spots here and there under the hood. It had 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: been to the dealer, It had been to the independent shop, 59 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: you know, sensors, a battery, tune up, items, fuel system cleaning. 60 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: One of those cars where everybody has an opinion, has 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: an answer, And I always say it's one of those 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: cars where when they're explaining it to you, they're waving 63 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: their arms around and they're jumping up and down. They're 64 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: so passionate and excited. They know what's wrong with it, 65 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: but yet it's not fixed. And yet there were no 66 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: fault codes, there were no pending codes, there was no 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: check engine light, nothing. Now, years ago, when I was 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: starting out, yeah, this would have frustrated me. And today, 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: you know, after five decades of fixing cars, I've learned 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 2: the vehicle will talk to you long before you ever 71 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: turn the key and crank it. 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: You know. 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: One of the first things I do, and I learned 74 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: this from going to the doctor. When you go to 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: the doctors, what's the first thing they do, almost to 76 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: the point of a nauseum, where they they weigh you, 77 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: heart rate, blood pressure, general physical questions. They always go 78 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: through the same routine. It's almost it's almost whimsical in 79 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: a way. You'll go on Monday for a physical. Oh, 80 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: come back on Thursday, we'll finish up your tests. You 81 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: walk in Thursday. They do the same thing. I was 82 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: just here three days ago. What are we doing? Cars 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: are really like that, and you have to follow that right. 84 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: You know. 85 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: I didn't reach for a wrench. I didn't start by 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: looking at parts. I didn't even start the car. I 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: didn't even try to start the engine. I walked out 88 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: with a scan tool, sat in the car, turned the 89 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: key on, brought the car up and started looking at pits, 90 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: started looking at you know, sensors. I want to look 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: at basics. And the advantage here is that I am 92 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: going to see the car in its start state, meaning 93 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: I go in, I can look at cool and temperature, 94 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: cool and temp. I look at ambient air temp. I 95 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: look at barrel pressure. I look at a fuel pressure 96 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: pit if it's available, which it was right primary fuel 97 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: pressure was available. Now the car had been sitting overnight. 98 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: We made him drop it off the night before because 99 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: the complaint. When we did our pre flight welcome to 100 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: the shop and take checklists conversation, they said, yeah, it's 101 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: more likely to happen after it sits for a period 102 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: of time. Car said overnight. Came in. It was seventy 103 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: degrees at the shop that morning, and I'm thinking the 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: cool and tent pig should be pretty close to seventy degrees. 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: You know, if the computer thinks it's one hundred and 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: forty degrees, yeah, we've got a problem. The computer thinks 107 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: it's eighty degrees, eighty five degrees, where's that line of failure? 108 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: We've probably got a problem and it'll come back to 109 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: no fault code, just just bad information. It's like you 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: when you go to dress in the morning, right, you 111 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: always get up, You're in the bathroom, you're showering, you're 112 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: shaving whatever, you're brushing your teeth. Yeah, what should I 113 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: wear today? You know? My method is I walk over 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: to the window. And I learned this from my wife, 115 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: because my wife is the best weather person in the world. 116 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: You know, it's hey, honey, what's the weather like outside? 117 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: She walks up, she sticks her hands against the window. 118 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: It's warm, and she's always right. You know, you can't 119 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: argue with her, So I it's warm. Okay. Well, I 120 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 2: went to the shop that day and I looked ambient 121 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: air tempt made sense. Coolant tempt made sense. It had 122 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: fuel pressure, It had reasonable fuel pressure on the first 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: hit of the key pump built up pressure. I looked 124 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: at battery voltage. Right, you can see that on a 125 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: scan tool. You know, standard rule of thumb anything less 126 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: than twelve point two vaults and that's even cutting it close, 127 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: because when you go to crank it, and you can 128 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: see that on a scan tool, where does voltage go? 129 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Most modern computers, anything under nine and a half volts. 130 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: You've got a problem. I like to make nine point 131 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: eight to ten volts my standard, but some cars will 132 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: work better under lower voltage, or it won't matter to them. 133 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: And I didn't see it. Everything looked right, and I 134 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: looked at barometric pressure, and this was the day that 135 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: it was about to rain, and barrow was changing and 136 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: it was close, but it didn't strike me as correct, 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: and I realized I had forgotten. I went over to 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: the computer. I looked up. I looked up the barometric 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: pressure for Waldwick, New Jersey, and I looked at it again. 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: And of course my first reaction is I think the 141 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: computer is lying to me. And then I realized the 142 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: computer's right. The scan tool is wrong. It was off 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: by almost a point and a half. That's that's quite 144 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: a difference, right. It's because barometric pressure. It's really become 145 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: one of my favorite PIDs on the tool. It you know, 146 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: everybody scrolls past it, and you know, I always look 147 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: to see when I do a diagnostic, I'm always thinking 148 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: about whether I'm always thinking about because we asked the 149 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: customer that, hey, you know, where was it was it? Daytime? 150 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: Was it nighttime? Was it raining? Where we're going. Was 151 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: the sun out incorrect? Barometric pressure will always send me 152 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: down the right diagnostic path. It tells me the computer 153 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: isn't seeing the world correctly, and it will generally lead 154 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: me to the root cone of a hard start condition. 155 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: And there's no part starts, there's no guessing. It's just 156 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: just good basic diagnostics. Now you could argue, well, Ron, 157 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: what if it wasn't the barrel pid good? Tell me 158 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. The problem is, 159 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: I think when everybody goes for diagnostics, everybody goes and 160 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: looks for the bad part. What's bad? What's bad? 161 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: Oh, let me. 162 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: Test this, let me test that. How about if we 163 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: test what's good. How about if we look for you know, 164 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: we look for the vitals. We look Imagine going to 165 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: a doctor's office. Dock, I don't feel good. Well, let 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: me let me take out your zorch and give you 167 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: a zorch ectomy and see if that fixes it. Or 168 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: let me try fixing your elbow, or let me try 169 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: smacking you in the back of the head. Doctors do it. 170 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: They do it all the time. They look for what's good, 171 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: and when they figure out what's good, they narrow it 172 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: down to what's bad. A scan tool isn't there to 173 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: tell you what's broken. It's there to tell you what's 174 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: good and what the computer, the engine, computer, the vehicle 175 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: computer systems believe is correct. The job of the technician 176 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: is to decide whether the computer's version of reality actually 177 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: matches the world that we're living in. That's diagnostics, and 178 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: that's the way it's got to be. Coming up today, 179 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna answer all your own motive questions. We're gonna 180 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: take your phone calls, or we're gonna keep your car safe, dependable, 181 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: and on the road. I'm ronin Andy and the car Doctor. 182 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: The garage door is wide open. I'll be back right 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: after this. Hey, I should point out now listen, let's 184 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: not tell Tom this because the last time Tom put 185 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: his fingerprintsole over it. But this weekend we're giving away, 186 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: courtesy of Advance ODO Parts, their Diehard seventy three piece 187 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: roadside emergency toolkit with a portable tote. And we'll do 188 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: that this hour or next hour. We'll maybe we'll leave 189 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: it up to Tom. Okay, well, Tom, turn up. 190 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: Your wid Wait wait wait wait wait, fingerprints all over it. 191 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 4: I was just outside working on your car with it. 192 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: Well, I understand that's why I'm hoping you clean up. 193 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: So just behave yourself. But we'll we'll talk about it 194 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: somewhere in the next two hours. We'll give that away 195 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: courtesy of Advance all the parts. Let's get to the phones. 196 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: Let's go to James and Illinois transmission procedure problem questions. 197 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: What's going on, James, ron on Inian at your servicer. 198 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: Good afternoon, listen there with you. 199 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, what's up? That's up? 200 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: I remember the day when you could drop the torque, 201 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: MdeR plug and the pan and do one hundred percent 202 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: oil change in your training. So I've adapted to a 203 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: different procedure. Sergery has dropped the pan, take the filter, 204 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: take the neck off the filter, Cut the neck off 205 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: the filter, adapt that to a hose like a piece 206 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: of heater hose, maybe three or four inch piece of 207 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: the heater hose. Put three foot of clear plastic hose 208 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: and the other end of that. Put that in the 209 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: in the vow body with a gasket on it. Put 210 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: three courts of transmission fluid in a clear plastic jug. 211 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: Start the car, suck that out of the jug into 212 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: the void body and let the extra oil and just 213 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: drop into a mortar pan. You've given a transmission a 214 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: complete as good as it can get. I guess oil change, 215 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: put your new field and anything else in there, and 216 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 3: you're done with the procedure and you've got a really 217 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: good I do this to all my vehicles. I've done 218 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: it for years, and I think that solves a lot 219 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 3: of problems for a lot of people wanting a complete 220 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: transmission oil change. 221 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: Why aren't you disconnecting one of the transcooler ones? 222 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: Well, I used to do that. I used to do 223 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: that on the Fords. Pump out a couple of quarts, 224 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: and add a couple of quarts, and pump out a 225 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: couple of quarts until you go through eight ten quarts 226 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: of oil. It just keeps contaminating the oil. This doesn't 227 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: contaminate the oil because you've pumped everything out I guess 228 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: through the torque. 229 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: Well, no, if you're if you drop a cooler line 230 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: and you're adding and letting it come out and go 231 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: into a drain pan, aren't you working neater and cleaner? 232 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: And what are you going to do on a What 233 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: are you going to do on a GM truck for example? 234 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I just think 235 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: there's easier ways to do it. I think there's easier 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: ways to do it yourself, or can do it. You know, 237 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: show me a Chevy Silverado or a full sized GM pickup. 238 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: You're going to have to be underneath there prying down 239 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: on the exhaust or lower the exhaust down to get 240 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: the pan out to clear it. It's it's so, what 241 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: kind of vehicle are you? What kind of vehicles do 242 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: you own that this is working on? And that might 243 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: be part of the. 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: Answer, or Crown Vix okay us, sure, simply ask. I'm 245 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: getting ready to a Chrysler three hundred transmission procedure. The 246 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: only the only really messy part is you need a 247 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: mortar pan something to just catch that fluid when it 248 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: comes out of the transmission. And you can also use 249 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: that and measure that flood back because on a dipstick 250 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: car you kind of need to know that rather than 251 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: guess when you put the new oil back in. 252 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: Well, and I guess too if you had a trans 253 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: exchange machine. You're talking about cars with all the dipsticks, 254 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: right that Crownvic's an older car, the tourist is an 255 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: older car, the three hundreds, All those cars have dipsticks. 256 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be easier to use a machine? 257 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: Could? 258 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: Could? Of course, you don't have it. I get it. 259 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: We're talking about DIY trans fluid exchange exactly right. You 260 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: know what it works for you as in a shop. 261 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: I can't see it, and I can't see it on 262 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: something newer, anything, anything made in the last twelve years. 263 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: Half the time you have to take something else apart 264 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: to get the pan down. So while that works on 265 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 2: an older vehicle and it will continue, I don't want 266 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: to disparage you and say, hey, it's not a great idea. 267 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: It's just that, you know, it's it's only going to 268 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: work on a selected group of certain vehicles. Take a 269 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: look at a take a look at a Chevybourban. The 270 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: next time you can, like a twenty fifteen suburban. Okay, 271 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: how are you going to get that pan down? 272 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: Oh, there's there's procedural differences. I'm aware of that. Yeah, yeah, 273 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: I don't have to address the head right. 274 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's and that's my point. I don't I just 275 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: don't want to say hey, we can do this. It's 276 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: it's if it's not applicable to more than just a 277 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: select group of vehicles, is my point. You know, when 278 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: we've got that Chevy suburban up in the air, we're 279 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: either prying on it with it, we're pulling on it 280 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: with a pride bar, So you've got to have clearance 281 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: of stand up six feet up. Or sometimes we have 282 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: to take the pipe down. Sometimes we get into exhaustuds, 283 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: sometimes we and brings it back to my original point. 284 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: Why aren't we just disconnecting the trans cooler lines and 285 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: filling it that way? 286 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was a little lary of 287 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: wanting to do that originally because I thought that the 288 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: transmission pan or the transformasion lines forward would be jeopardized 289 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: when you open the fitting into you know, if it 290 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: was hard fitting into the radiator. So a little little 291 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: leary of wanting to break a transformation line like that. 292 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, if taking the line apart at the radiator 293 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: creates or compromises it, or it's brittle, or you can't 294 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: get it apart, or it's contaminator, or it's going to fail, 295 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: it's probably supposed to be replaced anyway. You know, the 296 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: majority of fluid exchanges, I mean, listen, if we're not 297 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: talking about trying to come up with something that a 298 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: di wire can do. You're using a trans fluid exchange 299 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: machine and you know it's it's it's just that simple. 300 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: We use the MALA system H M A H L E. 301 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: MALA Service Solutions dot Com. I believe is the website 302 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: and or is it Service Solutions Mala dot Com. It's 303 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: one or the other. But the point is, you know, 304 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: their machine will calculate how much fluid in, how much 305 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: fluid out, and it's it's actually as long as we're 306 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: on the subject of it, because there's there's great value 307 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: in fluid exchange. James absolutely late model model General Motors. 308 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: The ten speed transmission debacle, you know, is because they've 309 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: discovered that the original fluid put in those vehicles in 310 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: the last eight years was hygroscopic. It absorbs moisture through 311 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: the vent and because of the fluid to break down 312 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: and creates chatter issues and doing a complete fluid exchange 313 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: can help solve that in certain applications. Same thing with 314 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: the eight speed. They came out with different fluid for 315 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: both transmissions. Chrysler has the issue with their with their 316 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: ZF transmission fluid, so one hundred percent changing fluid completely, 317 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like you, I agree. I come from the 318 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: days of I still have in stock in the back room. 319 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: I still have a couple of those Ford self tapping 320 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: plugs for the converter. When you you know, you take 321 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: it out and the threads were worn out, you had 322 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: to replace the converter plug because that was the best 323 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: way to change transfluid. But unfortunately, time and technology pushes 324 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: us forward. So without a doubt, you know, but I 325 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: think I wouldn't fear taking a cooler line down, especially 326 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: if I've got a dipstick car. One of those cooler 327 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: lines is going to push out. I would just I 328 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: would just take that cooler line down, put a pan 329 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: underneath it, fill the filled the dipstick. 330 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: Tou. 331 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: Now the argument's going to be made, well, you're not 332 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: changing the filter, and I get that too, But if 333 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: you're if you want to do a flu twenty thousand miles, 334 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: maybe every third time through, you're going to pull the 335 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: filter out of the car. 336 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: I pull a filter every time. It's me thirty thousand mile. 337 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: That good insurance, yep. The ohther thing I do is 338 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: when I use the dipstick on the on the forward especially, 339 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 3: I will wipe the dipstick because you never know how 340 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: much oils accurately on that dipstick. 341 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely absolutely so change. 342 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: Some white foot powder, some for reading when you pull 343 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: it out. 344 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, some great ideas, James. We appreciate the input. And 345 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: you know what, there's always a way to build a 346 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: better mouse trap. We just got to make the mouse trap. 347 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: I guess encompass more model years. Take a look at 348 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: a Chevy suburban, a Chevy truck, and I'll tell you 349 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: what you can create that that would be great. I'd 350 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: love that idea. I'm running ady in the car doctor. 351 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this from the city street 352 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: to the oven Rule tonight. If you're run his head, 353 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: ronill keep you run right. Yeah, he's a car doctor, 354 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: car advistor. Hey, we are busy on the phones. Eight 355 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. Let's 356 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: go over to Tom in Wisconsin. Tom. What's going on? 357 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 5: Hi? 358 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 4: Ron. We've got a twenty twenty one Hyundai Palisade that 359 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 4: we bought new, had all of our service done at 360 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 4: the dealer, had about ninety five thousand miles, thankfully, was 361 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 4: below one hundred thousand mile and we started noticing oil 362 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 4: consumption and the first time we found it, it started 363 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: running rough and we went in and there was no 364 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: oil left at all. Ouch go on. Yeah, so they 365 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 4: filled it. They started their procedures that they call the 366 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: oil Consumption Worksheet, where every thousand miles you get it checked. 367 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: All the checks have been around a court per thousand. 368 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 4: We had one where we went through two and three 369 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: quarter courts on one one thousand miles segment in the test. 370 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 4: So they they did a combu shouldn't chamber cleaning on 371 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: the car and at one point they found a crack 372 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 4: by the oil filter mount and they replaced that. But 373 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: we're still going through a court of oil every thousand miles, 374 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: which from what I've been told HONDI considers acceptable. 375 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Well, who's who's telling you that? The dealer or Hyundai Corporate? 376 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: The dealer okay, and I have called UNDID their customer 377 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: service line. They've got a case opened up on it. 378 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: I have not heard back from them yet because they 379 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 4: just called them the other day working on that, And 380 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if you seen anything like this or not. 381 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: This is the V six, Tom, Yeah, so a three 382 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 4: point eight leader. 383 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the V six haven't seen a lot of it. Frankly, 384 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: what I have seen with the three eight v six 385 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: is it works great up until one day and then 386 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: it just fails. I'm just not the ruin your day. 387 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: But that's the reality of it. That's what I've seen. 388 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: Haven't seen a ton of oil consumption like the older ones, 389 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: like the four cylinders, not to say that it can't, 390 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: but part of that is also probably based on the 391 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: fact the car is only five years old. But here's 392 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: here's my argument. Right, you went through ninety five thousand 393 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: care free, no oil consumption miles, right, right, and all 394 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: of a sudden it changed. So what's failing in the engine? 395 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: How often were you getting oil changes done? Tom? 396 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 4: Every four or five thousand miles? 397 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: All right, you've got every receipt yep, isn't you isn't 398 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: isn't your argument? Hey, I did everything you guys told 399 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: me to do, and now as I'm just about to 400 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: break the one hundred thousand mile mark, I now have 401 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: to deal with oil consumption every thousand miles. Because understand 402 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: why they did the carbon cleaning is because oil going 403 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: through a combustion chamber and an excessive amount will leave 404 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: carbon deposits, right and in short order, coco up intake 405 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: valves and tops of pistons and create internal engine issues, 406 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: and then over time it's going to go out through 407 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: the exhaust and it's going to coat the catalytic converter. 408 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: So you know, you're dying a slow death on a 409 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: hot piece of glass. Ya right, Okay, And that's that's 410 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: the truth. I don't want to upset you, brother, but 411 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: that's the reality of it. The mere fact that you 412 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: know they haven't come out and announced it. Now it's funny. 413 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: I do know. 414 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: There are some bulletins where they've addressed and they've done 415 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: some software changes, and they've got different bulletins that talk 416 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: about test procedures. There's one twenty five EM double six 417 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: h S and Harry. They talk about bearing clearance testing 418 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: and it updates software and scan tools and diagnostics and 419 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: how they approach it. That tells me they've got a problem. 420 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: They're just trying to I think Hyundai's trying to find 421 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: the exit ramp because it's it's no secret. I'm not 422 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: giving away state secrets here that for the past fifteen 423 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: years Hyundai has had engine problems. And I've said it 424 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: here on the show, and I've said it privately in 425 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: the shop. I'm amazed Hundai is still in business. They've 426 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: given away so many engines, and you know, it's you know, 427 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: the the sitting at the barstool having a beer together conversation, Tom, 428 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: is you know what they've They built a cheap car 429 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: and they're going to prove it to you, you know, 430 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: just just my two cents, right, it's it's it's a 431 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: it's a it's a great five year, one hundred thousand 432 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: mile car. And then here we are. 433 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we're finding out. 434 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 435 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: The other there's never been a drop of oil in 436 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 4: the garage floor or any place ever, So it's using 437 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 4: to someplace internally. 438 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh, it's it's it's you know, and 439 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's a funny industry. I'm in. We accept 440 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: death as a as a you know, it's it's just 441 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: it's just accepted a quarter every thousand miles. Gee, whatever 442 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: happened to no burning oil? In between oil changes? Where 443 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: do we change the rules of common sense and reality 444 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: and what's acceptable and not right? You know, we we 445 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: want clean air, can we agree to that? 446 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 4: Tom? 447 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: You and I want clean air. We want we want 448 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: an environment we can all grow up in and our 449 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: kids can grow up and our grandkids can survive in. Right, 450 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: we want clean air, we want a good planet. Right then, then, 451 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: you know, catalytic converters are part of that, and a 452 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: healthy functioning catalytic converter is part of that. And a 453 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: car that burns oil every court every thousand miles, wait 454 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: till it hits a court every five hundred miles, Wait 455 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: till you have to put a catalytic converter on it 456 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: in about fifteen thousand miles. And they're going to look 457 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: at you and go, well, gee, Tom, it's out of warranty. 458 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 4: Well, everything they've done so far has been covered. 459 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: So I mean maybe they'll step up. 460 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: And they've said that if if it continues and we're 461 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: burning more than a thousand or more than a quart 462 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 4: per thousand, they'll replace the engine. And they should, Yeah, 463 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: they should. 464 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: They should Listen, they're not. You know, you ever have 465 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: a problem in customer service with a product and you 466 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: feel grateful that they actually do the right thing. Yeah, 467 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: but isn't the reality didn't you pay good, hard earned 468 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: money for that vehicle? Yes, we aren't you entitled to 469 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: get reasonable life out of it? You know, you didn't 470 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: take let me, let me, let me pump you up here, kiddo. 471 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: You didn't take shortcuts. You didn't go anywhere else but 472 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: the dealer, the factory recognized representative of who's going to 473 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 2: take the best care of your car. That's what all 474 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: the ads say. Hey, it doesn't matter the manufacturer. The 475 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: dealer is the place to go. We know your car 476 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: better than an independent repair shop. So how come if 477 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 2: there's a problem they don't take care of it. That's 478 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: not acceptable to me, right. 479 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 4: That's why we went and got a case case signed 480 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: on the through customer service. 481 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean, some of this conversation is your AMMO to 482 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: talk to them, no matter how they try and make 483 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: sense of it. Right, Yeah, you know. I always say 484 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: the last thing, the thing that bothers me the most 485 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: is somebody will walk into the shop, Oh my god, 486 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: I found you. You're great. I hear all good things 487 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 2: about I hate that because I want to. I want 488 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: to have the conversation when something goes wrong, when a 489 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: part doesn't show up, when a part fails, even at 490 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: a warranty, I want to be able to take care 491 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: of it. That's when you can tell me how good 492 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: I am. Let me do something first, let me show 493 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: you who I am and what I do. And that's 494 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: where Hyundai is here. They've got to show you who 495 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: they are and what they do. All right, it's it's 496 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: it's people. 497 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: We'll wait to hear from them, and. 498 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: Then you're gonna call me back and you're gonna tell me. 499 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: So we can tell everybody listening. 500 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: That sounds real good. We'll do that, all right. 501 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: You let them know that we talked. Maybe it'll mean something, Tom, 502 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: I hope so you know, And if it doesn't, you 503 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: tell them what Hyundai stands for. Do you know what 504 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: Hunday stands for? No, hope, you understand nothing's drivable and inexpensive. 505 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: And you tell him, you tell him I said that, 506 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: all right, kiddo, Okay, we'll do all right, Tom, keep 507 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: the faith. You'd be well. I'm running in in the car. Doctor. 508 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: We're back right after this. 509 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 4: Look back. 510 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: Let's go to Frank and Maine. No fuss, no bother. Hey, Frank, 511 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: how are you running? Indian at yourself? 512 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: Doing great? Ron and displeasure to talk to you. Listen 513 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 5: to you for about an hour every Sunday when we 514 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 5: get the show up here. Why don't you get the newspaper. 515 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: Got you what do you got. 516 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 5: Two thousand and nine Kia sportage. It's a been a 517 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 5: recurring problem. Can't get the breaks to bleed up all 518 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 5: the way. 519 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: So what started this was it in for break repair 520 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: and you built in the system hydraulically or it loses 521 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: the pedal at random. 522 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 5: Now, it started well about a year ago. Blew a 523 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 5: brake line. He replaced them, all the lines on the 524 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 5: one side and my gas line, and he had trouble 525 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: getting him to bleed. He did it with the bleeder, 526 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 5: and then I pumped the brakes, and eventually he did 527 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 5: it with the computer and it came out of it then. 528 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 5: And then a little while after that master cylinder went. 529 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 5: When he replaced that, he had the same problem. Went 530 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 5: through all the steps again. This time. You know, it 531 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 5: doesn't have a full pedal grabs about halfway right. 532 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: So when you're saying he's doing an electronic bleeding, Frank, 533 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about he's looking up a scan tool and 534 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: he's doing an electronic bleed trying to activate the ABS controller. Correct, right, 535 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, all right, So. 536 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: Let me just the second time it did it. After 537 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: a few days it came out of it by itself, 538 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: and now I blew one of the lines on the 539 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: other side that he hadn't done last year and it 540 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: won't bleed back up now. 541 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, the question is what's stuck in 542 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: a hydraulic bypass position, the master, the ABS controller is it? 543 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: Do we possibly have a caliber issue somewhere down the line? 544 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: My guess is there's air in the system and something 545 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: is stuck. 546 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 4: You know. 547 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: Part of the part, part of the issue is you've 548 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: blown enough brake lines and every time that pedal goes 549 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: to the floor, the master, the pistons and the master 550 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: right over in a sludge and crud and tend to 551 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: tear up the seals. But you've put a master in. 552 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: This, right it just within the past year. And this 553 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 5: last time when he bled, he bled full twelve ounce 554 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 5: can through each line? 555 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: All right? Does he ever see air bubbles? All right? 556 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: Does he has he reversed? Has he thought about doing? 557 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: Has he thought about doing a reverse bleed? And by that, 558 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in the old days, and I 559 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: think they're still available through advance autoparts, you can get 560 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: a syringe. There is a break bleed syringe like kind 561 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: of like a doctor's needle, but it's it's bigger, and 562 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: obviously it doesn't have a knee it but it's got 563 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: rubber hose nipples that you would open up the caliber 564 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: bleeder and push fluid backwards up through the master. Now, 565 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: the neat thing about doing it that way is it 566 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: will go through caliper line abs controller master. If there 567 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: are any air bubbles in the system as you watch 568 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: each component. As you watch you bleed each corner, you 569 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: may or may not see air bubbles, so you'll know 570 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: where it comes from. It eliminates the obvious. I mean, 571 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: the only other way you can do this is bleed 572 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: the master again and create block plugs to block off 573 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: the master, and then start working your way down. Block 574 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: off the master. Do you have a pedal? Yes, okay, 575 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: and then work your way through. 576 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 5: You're going to have something that I could go through 577 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 5: this with them. What do you mean it's an email 578 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 5: or something? 579 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. He can In about two hours, 580 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: five o'clock Eastern time, this radio show will become a podcast. 581 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: You're about fifteen minutes to the end of this hour. 582 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: He can just pick up the podcast here and you 583 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: know you can download it off of iHeart or any 584 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: of the major podcast platforms. Just go search roun an 585 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: Anie in the Car Doctor and he'll be able to 586 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: listen to it to his heart's content. But I would 587 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: start with A doing a reverse bleed right B bleeding 588 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: the master and working my way around and C consider 589 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: pinching off the hoses. Does any of those give me 590 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: a better brake pedal, because you've got air in the 591 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 2: system somewhere. Let him do that and then we can 592 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: talk again about it next week. All right, Frank, Okay, 593 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: you're very welcome, sir. You'd be well and have a 594 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: great weekend. I'm running Anie in the Car Doctor. We're 595 00:32:44,760 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: back right after this. So next hour we're going to 596 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: be giving away the Diehard seventy three piece roadside Emergency 597 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: Kit courtesy of Advance Autoparts, because Tom's too busy playing 598 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: with it this hour that we couldn't get it possibly 599 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: back in the case to do a giveaway, so next 600 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: hour you can look for that. I want to make 601 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: one comment about this hour. If you notice there was 602 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: a trend here right, there was a pattern. I want 603 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: you to think about the movie Apollo thirteen. There's that 604 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: scene in Apollo thirteen after the module blows up in 605 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: space and they're trying to figure out how to get 606 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: the astronauts home, and the director of flight says, let's 607 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: talk about what's working on the spacecraft, what's good. And 608 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: by figuring out what's good, they figured out how to 609 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: get the ship all the way around the moon and 610 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: to come back right and they made it back safely, 611 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: Thank God. That's really how you have to approach broken cars. 612 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: What's good? Tell me what's good? The last caller with 613 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: the nine Kia Sportage and the low brake pad, tell 614 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 2: me what's good. Does the master cylinder work? Do the 615 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: calipers work? Are there any leaks? Are the hoses restricted? 616 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: Is there a good flow at all? Four wheels? Tell 617 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: me what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. I'll give 618 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 2: you a real simple test class quandary situation. Car comes 619 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: into the shop. The left directional bulb is out in 620 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: the rear. How do you know it's a bulb? We 621 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: always change the bulb. How come it can't be wiring? 622 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 2: How come it can't be a socket? Why does it 623 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: always have to be a bulb? Sure we be checking 624 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: for voltage. Depends on how hard it is to get 625 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: to that bulb. But the bottom line is tell me 626 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: what's good, I'll tell you what's bad. Just like Apollo thirteen. 627 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm running ay in the car Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, 628 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 2: they're priceless. See if Doctor Carr advice, don't ride