WEBVTT - The Can Getting Kicked Down The Road: Mike Lyons Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Since January, there have already been four large scale US

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<v Speaker 1>and British joint air strikes on Houthie targets in Yemen,

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<v Speaker 1>including one hundred and fifty missiles and launchers, which appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have done little to slow down the Houthis. The

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<v Speaker 1>Houti missile attacks aimed at commercial vessels and US Navy

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<v Speaker 1>ships have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost daily, almost daily since our retaliation, and despite the

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<v Speaker 2>President saying don't Also, as Martha Raddits reported on ABC News, yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time a Hoothy attack has killed anybody

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<v Speaker 2>on those ships. Three crew members on a Liberian ship dead.

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<v Speaker 2>The US is headed there with more help. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what we're going to do to slow

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<v Speaker 2>this down. One of the most important shipping lanes in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire.

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<v Speaker 3>World, A troubling number of hotspots around the globe, including

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<v Speaker 3>that one Jack just mentioned. Let's talk about it with

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<v Speaker 3>CNN military analyst Mike Lyons.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, it's always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you taking one of you guys? Great to

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<v Speaker 4>be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so far our deterrence has not deterred anything.

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<v Speaker 4>What now, No, it's not really even deterrence. I know

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<v Speaker 4>we're going after some of the targets there, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>taken away a significant amount of their military capability, but

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<v Speaker 4>they still seem to have enough to leak through. We

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<v Speaker 4>saw the incident happening yesterday where three were killed, and

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<v Speaker 4>we see the Indian Navy getting involved also in rescuing

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<v Speaker 4>some of the members here. But for all practical purposes,

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<v Speaker 4>that that pathways blocked, supply chains continue to be disrupted,

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<v Speaker 4>costs continue to climb. Other countries around the region remain affected,

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<v Speaker 4>and until perhaps maybe other countries we'll put more pressure

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<v Speaker 4>on them. But the hoot, these are wildcards, and they

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<v Speaker 4>have this military capacity, and it's going to take us

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<v Speaker 4>completely degrading its and our allies completely degrading it in

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<v Speaker 4>order for us to, let's say, the Red Sea gets

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<v Speaker 4>open again.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds kind of old timey to be talking about this,

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<v Speaker 3>but the free navigation of the ocean's waters has been

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<v Speaker 3>one of the prime movers in history, and it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like the global economy is not going to put up

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<v Speaker 3>with this sort of interference with that forever. What would

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<v Speaker 3>a serious response look.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Well, I think that the way it's going. First

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<v Speaker 4>of all, we saw a ship hit and we saw

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<v Speaker 4>an oil leak, and we saw that that take place.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's going it's likely taking impacting China, impacting uh

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<v Speaker 4>other other economies. You know, this is not who these

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<v Speaker 4>are claiming. This is against the United States and Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>But you saw the nationalities on board of that ship

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<v Speaker 4>that they attacked. It's Vietnamese, Sria, Lanka and philipp Filipino

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<v Speaker 4>and uh more of you know kind of of the

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<v Speaker 4>you know Eastern you know, Asian countries there. What's that

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<v Speaker 4>going to take It's it's likely you know more more

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<v Speaker 4>or less these other these other third world countries deciding

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<v Speaker 4>that they need they need to help from the US

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<v Speaker 4>and and and real just leadership. You know, there's not

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<v Speaker 4>a coalition really in there that's deciding to go after

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<v Speaker 4>on a consistent basis every six hours, launching sorties in

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<v Speaker 4>the air to destroy and go hunt down these ballistic

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<v Speaker 4>musle capability that the Houthis have. And because the downside

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<v Speaker 4>is that they're hurting that country themselves. That Yemen is

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<v Speaker 4>one of the most impoverished countries there as this as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's just no upside to any of the situation

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<v Speaker 4>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, broadening out from just the Houthies. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you saw Tom Friedman's call them in the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times. He is over in the Middle East for

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<v Speaker 2>about a week reporting and and all these different groups

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<v Speaker 2>that are backed by Iran and him specifically saying backed

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<v Speaker 2>by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and Tom Friedman stated that

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<v Speaker 2>we might say we're not at war with them, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Revolutionary Guard feels like they're at war with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no question, And we saw we've seen some of

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<v Speaker 4>the attacks on the land based forces inside of Iraq

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<v Speaker 4>and Syria diminish. But what I'd like to see us do.

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<v Speaker 4>There's there's an Iranian navigation ship that's in the area

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<v Speaker 4>there that's likely what the Hoothies are using for intel

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<v Speaker 4>collection and spotting and the like, and they're they're aligned

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<v Speaker 4>with them in order to be successful with their missions.

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<v Speaker 4>So we warn the Iranians once again, if that doesn't stop,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to put that ship to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 4>the sea. And we've done that in the past when

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<v Speaker 4>all Reagan did that in the nineteen eighties. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>this administration just does not want to admit any kind

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<v Speaker 4>of conflict with Iran. I know what we're holding out

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<v Speaker 4>for because they continue to push nuclear capability down the road,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the future conflict. That's what's getting kicked. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the can getting kicked down the road. Here is this

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<v Speaker 4>conflict between ITSUD and Iran, and when once the Ranians

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<v Speaker 4>have that nuclear capability.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't want to get into a shot after

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<v Speaker 3>shot at the lack of leadership from the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was about to turn to the increasing belligerence

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<v Speaker 3>of China, especially Visa VI the Philippines ramming their boats

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<v Speaker 3>and blasting their sailors with water cannons, and we are

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<v Speaker 3>bound to defend the Philippines if they are attacked. You

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<v Speaker 3>would think you would want to nip this in the bud.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this administration history is going to show that it

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<v Speaker 4>just doesn't have any priority. And they'll try to claim

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<v Speaker 4>that everything is a priority, but we all know when

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<v Speaker 4>that's the case and nothing is a priority. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>really know what it is. It's the whip sawing of

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<v Speaker 4>the Israeli government. For example, we tell them they're over

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<v Speaker 4>the top, and then we don't necessarily pride them the

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<v Speaker 4>military assets to get some of that humanitarian aid. Same

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<v Speaker 4>thing that's happening in China. We've kind of drawn this

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<v Speaker 4>line there of not defending our allies in the region.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're really concerned about that. And then everything's

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<v Speaker 4>a half measure when it comes to all these other

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<v Speaker 4>acts of deterrence, and what's happening still in Ukraine remains

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<v Speaker 4>a situation there that you know, I think ninety two

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and twenty days, as they run out of artillery ammunition,

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<v Speaker 4>they're firing it in a faster rate that we can

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<v Speaker 4>resupply and the rest of the world can. So if

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<v Speaker 4>the United States doesn't get and show leadership internally and

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<v Speaker 4>get that situation resolved, I think you know that that's

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<v Speaker 4>going to go downhill very quickly too. So there's just

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<v Speaker 4>no priority from this administration. We won't We'll hear us

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<v Speaker 4>say of the Union tonight. We'll find out maybe something,

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<v Speaker 4>But everything's a half measure, and the whip sawing going

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth. I think that's what history is going

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<v Speaker 4>to show us administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Ukraine, a Russian missile hits one hundred yards

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<v Speaker 2>away from Zelensky yesterday. You think they were targeting him

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<v Speaker 2>specifically or just a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think coincidence, But still that target and Odessa.

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<v Speaker 4>There is the next you know, kind of strategic you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a targeting at Russia. But we'll make right now, as

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to continue as they've seen gains now on

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<v Speaker 4>the land going to the north and to the east,

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<v Speaker 4>what they'll try to do is spread their influence along

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<v Speaker 4>that coastline. And no Deasa is that last city, that's

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<v Speaker 4>the only one really the Ukraine, it's kind of held on.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the only way they will have any commerce when

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<v Speaker 4>this is over. And so Russia now attacking that. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's more coincidence. But again, let's say, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Greek prime minister is killed and something like this,

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<v Speaker 4>then what happens then? Then what happens to the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of the world. As we go here, you're seeing more

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<v Speaker 4>anger from Europe. You saw the French president potentially talking

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<v Speaker 4>about NATO countries going and individual countries going on. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not sure where what that was all about. But but

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<v Speaker 4>nobody really puts their money with their mouth. That's just yet,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of it this doesn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of it is about capability. Only one

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<v Speaker 4>country that can really save the day here, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>a sixty billion dollar backstop from the United States. That

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't send money to Ukraine. But what it does is

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<v Speaker 4>it allows Ukraine to buy from the US arsenal and

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<v Speaker 4>helps American jobs. So there's a win win in that

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<v Speaker 4>environment toomped the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's notable and worth mentioning that if you

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<v Speaker 3>were to ask the European countries will putin emboldened to

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<v Speaker 3>go further. They're unanimously a guess, but there seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be a lot of skepticism in the States.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>You have more on Ukraine with Mike CNN military analyst

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Lyons on the line. Mike, I wanted to segue

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<v Speaker 3>to Israel real quickly and putting aside morality or how

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<v Speaker 3>palatable any of this is. Just from a historians perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>this looks like when you combine what's going on with

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza to the Israeli settlements are expanding in the West Bank,

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<v Speaker 3>just the nature of the way the war is being conducted.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one civilization saying we can no longer live

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<v Speaker 3>within us, another one at least with any power right

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<v Speaker 3>next door to us. This is something like total warfare.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so, and we're both sides talking past each other,

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<v Speaker 4>and when the US continues to talk about rules based

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<v Speaker 4>orders and two state solutions. I mean those that's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not happening, and it's real. It's not stopping until

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<v Speaker 4>they find an Hamas leader or somebody that stands up

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<v Speaker 4>and says, we surrender, and these are the conditions, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is how it's going to go forward. There. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to put up with anything less than that,

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<v Speaker 4>as we're seeing, and until other Arab nations decide to

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<v Speaker 4>get involved. And they don't care if the conflict spreads

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<v Speaker 4>and goes a little further, if it's going to take

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<v Speaker 4>every last Palestinian, that's what their that's what their mentality is,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it is. It is total war from their perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're going to They're doing what they can in

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<v Speaker 4>order to keep civilian casualties at a minimum. But as

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<v Speaker 4>long as the mosqu keeps hiding behind civilians and hiding

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<v Speaker 4>things in hospitals, I don't see them. They're not stopping

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<v Speaker 4>again until they get some kind of surrender.

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<v Speaker 3>Military analyst Mike lines, Mike, thanks a Milian for the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Really interesting. We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks guy, Thanks for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty