1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, welcome back. College 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: football playoffs start tomorrow. Can't wait. Let's bring in Albert Breer. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh firing, I guess yesterday. You know he shakes 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: things up. So I said this recently. I said, there's 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: not a quarterback outside of maybe Mahomes that's more popular 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: in their hometown than Lamar Jackson and Baltimore. He has 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: worshiped RG three, was on our show. He's like I 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: was there behind him. He has loved in the room. 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of different reports. My take is 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh may have just I'll throw scenario. During a 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: two hour meeting, he said, you know I was eight 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: and four pre Lamar in the playoffs, I'm three and six. 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: The cap HiT's huge. A lot of these good quarterbacks 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: like a Drake Man of bo Nicks, They're like four 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: million dollar cap hits. It's hard. We've got a lot 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: of players. He's missed a season with injuries. He's not 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the same quarterback. Should I love him? But we can't 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: say here for the next seven years, it's all Lamar 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: and I could like Lamar as John Harball, but push 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: back on this. Lamar is everything. He is the base 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: of everything. I mean, it doesn't sound like the meeting 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: started with Harbaugh getting fired. My guess is he pushed 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: back a little on some stuff. 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's so much just related to Lamar. 32 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: I mean, Lamar and John had a good relationship over 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: the years. I mean as recently as a couple of 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: weeks ago, John really took up for Lamar in a 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: way that Lamar wasn't taking up for himself, you know, 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: And so I think that relationship was still in a 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: pretty good place. 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 2: I just think that dynamic in the building had changed 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: a little bit. 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: And you know what people have been there would tell 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: you is that in a lot of ways, John was 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: a player's coach, but it was a tough, demanding place, 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: and I think it takes a certain type of player 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: to play in John harbuss program. The same way like 45 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: you see that out there, You'll see that out there 46 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: in LA you know, with with with the type of 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 3: guy that Jim Harbaugh's bringing in there, it's like their 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: player centric, but they also have a high expectation, and 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: I just think there may have been a little bit 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: of a disconnect there over the last couple of years 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: that festered a little bit. It doesn't mean as players 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: don't like him, and it doesn't mean that there wasn't 53 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: a good roster on hand. I just don't know that 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: everything lined up the last couple of years the way 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: that it had in the previous sixteen years. And then 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: on top of that, I mean like there's like, to me, 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: at least, I look at like John Harbaugh the coach, 58 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: right and like if you're looking at going forward with 59 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: him and who he is as a coach and what 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: he is as a coach coach, you have to. 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: Be all in on that. 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: And I don't know that the Ravens were still, you know, 63 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 3: in that same place anymore. It's going to be tough 64 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: to replace them. I think they know that, you know, 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: and there's gonna be some change in the building. And 66 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: Lamar is certainly going to be you know, a part 67 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: of the process and how they. 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Select the coach. 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: Doesn't needs to be seeing in the room, but he's 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: a factor and how they select their next coach. I'm 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: just not sure that the building and John were connected 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: the same way. And you know, I think the proof 73 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: of that for ownership was you came into this year 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: and there were people in that building who legitimately felt 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: this is the best roster. 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: That they had had in decades. 77 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so to finish that at eight nine, I 78 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: think was maybe proof positive of what some people had 79 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: observed the last couple of years. 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So I would argue the Ravens have a very 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: good culture ownership down. They need somebody to get the 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: offense right, whereas like the Giants need a culture builder 83 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: like a Rable in New England or Carbond in La. 84 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: So I could see Harbaugh going to the Giants. I 85 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: actually think Kevin Stefanski, who knows the division, would be 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating choice in Baltimore. Do you think he would 87 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: get the phone call. 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: I think he'll get the phone call. I think they're 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: gonna you know, I think they're gonna cast a wide netton. 90 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: You know, we only would have one previous example of 91 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: Steve Pashatti looking for a head coach, and it was 92 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: actually interesting if you look back at it, like they 93 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: made a run at Josh McDaniels, he wound up pulling 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: his name out of the search. They made a run 95 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: at Jason Garrett, he pulled his name out of the search. 96 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: Not saying those guys would have gotten a job, but 97 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: both those guys were sort of down the line a 98 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: little bit with the Ravens, and they wind up turning 99 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: to John Harbond. 100 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: Obviously, it worked out great. 101 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: You know, you go to the playoffs twelve times in 102 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: eighteen years, win a Super Bowl, and six division titles. 103 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: There's no question it was a roaring success. But they 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: had a very wide ranging search the last time around, 105 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: and initially I think the thought was, well, maybe we'll 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: draft a quarterback this year that wound up being Joe Flacoh. 107 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: We want somebody to develop him. 108 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: And that had caused them at the time to look 109 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: at both Garrett and McDaniels, And so I certainly think 110 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: you could look at Kevin Stefanski as somebody to do that. 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: Another name to look at will be Clint Kubiak out 112 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: in Seattle as somebody who has connections to that building. 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: Gary Kubiak was loved in that building when he was 114 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: working there as the offensive coordinator, So I think Clint. 115 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: Could get a look. And then I think you look 116 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: at guys who maybe the. 117 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: Cultural fit that you're looking for, right, And Brian floor 118 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: Is is somebody that I look at and say, like, 119 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: that guy looks like a Ravens coach, you know what 120 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: I mean? That guy carries himself as like a Ravens 121 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: coach like Brian Floor is to me. You know, it 122 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: just checks a lot of boxes as far as what 123 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: they've looked for in their head coaches. And you know, 124 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting job too, and that when 125 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: John Harbaugh came in there, he didn't change that place, right, 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: He sort of took the baton from Brian Billick and 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: it had already been established what a raven was, and 128 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: so he was inheriting guys yeah that were that were 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: that were that were torch bearers in their own right 130 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: and Ed Reid and Ray Lewis, And I think the 131 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: idea is going to be similar here, whereas how can 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: we take what being a raven has always been and 133 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: move it forward? And I think that they are going 134 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: to look at a wide range of guys to try 135 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: and do that, and obviously it's gonna be a very 136 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: sought after job. 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Check us out 150 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 1: on YouTube and subscribe. Okay, so let's let's talk about 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: So I did a tears thing earlier and we can 152 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: put it up the graphic I said, you know, Baltimore's 153 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: like if the Packers had an opening or the Eagles 154 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: like they are these rarely come open. They're Alabamas. Yeah, 155 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean yeah. And then there's the ones I call 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: promising the Giants. They've got a franchise quarterback Scataboon, neighbors 157 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, and a really nice draft position. Raiders could 158 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: get Mendoza, ton of cap space and some playmakers. They 159 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: could also move Max Crosby for more picks. Atlanta's in 160 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: a week division with some nice offensive pieces. And I 161 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: think Arthur Blank's an above average owner. And then there's 162 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: organizations that I just don't think a top candidate would 163 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: be interested in. If you were John Harbaugh and the Falcons, 164 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Raiders and Giants came knocking, is there one that you 165 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: think he fits? I think it's New York. What say you? 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: I did too, you know, I I think just kind 167 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: of like where the Giants are right now, Like look 168 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: like I want to be sensitive as I can be 169 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: talking about this, but John Marrisick, you know, and like 170 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: so they're they're managing that internally, and that's something that's obviously, 171 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, a factor and all this. They've got a 172 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: sitting general manager, and I think that they do need 173 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: somebody who's going to come in and be a really 174 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: strong leader. 175 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: And to me, like John. 176 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: Harbaugh the same way Kevin Stefanski does too, screams New 177 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: York Giants just and how buttoned up he is and 178 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: how like strong an idea of what he wants to 179 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: build for in a culture is like, I think he's 180 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: got all of that. So you put those three jobs 181 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: up there though that you know, here's what's interesting about 182 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: that to me. You said the Raiders, the Falcons, and 183 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: the Giants in that plane, right, yeah, yeah, doesn't so 184 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: much of that come down to what a coach's evaluation 185 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks is. Like, if you're looking at the Raiders, like, 186 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: wouldn't you want to look at Fernando Mendoz at least 187 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: get an idea of what he is? 188 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 6: You know? 189 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: Obviously with Michael Pennix and Jackson Dart you already have the. 190 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 3: Guy in house, but you want to get a look 191 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: at them here. Why Because to me, like, there's nothing 192 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: more powerful. There's nothing better in the NFL than having 193 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: a rookie corps, a young quarterback who can really play 194 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: on his rookie contract. Right, But there's also nothing worse 195 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: than being invested in the wrong guy, because not only 196 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: does that mean you're not getting the sort of play 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: you want at the position, it also takes you off 198 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: the quarterback market for the next couple of years. So 199 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: like I think for any of these coaches, and John 200 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: Harbaugh certainly at the top of the list, so much 201 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: of how you view those three jobs you mentioned, it's 202 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: going to come down to the evaluation of in two places, 203 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks who are there, and then in the other place, 204 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback who's going to be available with the first 205 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: overall pick, whether that's Mendoza or Dante more And so 206 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: I think that's sort of the moving target piece of 207 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: this whole thing, is how do I view the quarterback 208 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: situation in each of those spots, because I think that determines, 209 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: you know, to some degree, how attractive the job is. 210 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so I said this, everybody can lose this weekend 211 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: except Buffalo, and boy did they get a rough draw. 212 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: They don't necessarily take leads against good teams. They're often 213 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: behind in the second half. That's not a recipe for 214 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: winning playoff games. Is face maybe the best team in 215 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: football and trail at half. But that's what they do 216 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: against good teams. They've lost their last eight road playoff games. 217 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: They can't defend the run, and the Jags run it. 218 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, by all accounts, has been in the Coach 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: of the Year candidate. I mean I even threw Belichick 220 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: out earlier today, I'm like, I don't think they can lose. 221 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you're allowed to lose with Mahomes burrow 222 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: lamar out. I'm sorry, a new stadium coming, Let's just 223 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: play it out. It ends up Jags dominate line of 224 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: scrimmage and they they want to shootout thirty two twenty eight. 225 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: We bringing the band back. I think even the GM 226 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: could be on the hot seat. 227 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: No, I don't think they boil the whole thing up, 228 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: but I certainly think you'd be like it changes. 229 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: I think there's pressure on guys there to. 230 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: Win win now all the pressure. 231 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Colin, Like, like, if 232 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: you're a John Harbaugh, would you wait for that one? 233 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 6: You know? 234 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 235 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: I mean like that could be one where you look 236 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: at it and say, like, there's a superstar quarterback there. 237 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: I've got like motivated ownership to spend and win right 238 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: now because they're in this window at the quarterback, Like, 239 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: it would seem like that would be a really good match. 240 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: I just say this. 241 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: I've brought this comparison up to you a couple of 242 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: times now. I won't go through the whole thing, but 243 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: this does feel a little bit like Tony Dungee his 244 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: last couple of years in Tampa, where they only had 245 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: a finite window to win with Derek Brooks and John 246 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: Lynch and Bronde Barber and Derek Brooks, and they that 247 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: window was eventually going to close, and ownership started to 248 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: feel the heat of you know, we have to win 249 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: while we have this opportunity with these players in the house. 250 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: And obviously a great quarterback creates the same sort of 251 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: pressure on everyone to win. And Josh Allen is not 252 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: going to be Josh Allen forever. He turned thirty, you 253 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: know this offseason. Obviously he's got a lot of mileage 254 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: because the way he plays the game, and so like 255 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: I would say, like, this is that sort of situation 256 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: where I don't know that there's been a ton of 257 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: internal conversation about making changes. But if you go down 258 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: to Jacksonville and you don't look good and you lose, 259 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: like I think, there are a lot of questions about 260 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: what the future looks like again, like whether or not 261 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: those those questions are asked at a high enough level. 262 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: Internally where at least we change. 263 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, but certainly those questions are going to 264 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: come up in a few days if they can't get 265 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: it done in Jacksonville. 266 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: You know, Nick Wright was on the show Let's End 267 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: with This yesterday and he said, you know, if not 268 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: for playoff expansion, green Bay wouldn't have been making these playoffs. 269 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: If you look at the last four years, he said, 270 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: seven seed, seven seed, seven seed. I think Matt does 271 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: a good job. I also think there are obstacles in 272 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: green Bay. Youngest team three years in a row. Why well, 273 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: they said on the few is free agents the last 274 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: few years. Like they it's not a free agent spot. 275 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: They have to go to the draft. Sometimes owners are 276 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: a problem, but if you have a good one, like 277 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, they also get stuff done on a tarmack 278 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. I think Lafleur's safe. I think he's good. 279 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: I'll throw this at you. I was told this year's ago, Albert, 280 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: when Shanahan, McVay and Lafleur were in DC, And I 281 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: was told this by a general manager in the league 282 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: who's still in the league. He said Shanahan was the 283 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: best schematically, McVay was the best culturally. Like walks through 284 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: the door and just owns it. And Lafleur was the 285 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: nicest guy, Like he was pretty good schemes, pretty good culture, 286 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: but he wasn't great at either. But everybody liked him. Hard, 287 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: hard worker, bright guy. And so my takeaway is, all 288 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: these years later, we look at Shanahan as this wow. 289 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Mcveay is this wow, and there's a lot of questions 290 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: about I think he's a good coach. Lafleur he's not 291 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: in trouble, right, Like if they get whacked, he's okay, right. 292 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: I don't think so. The reason this question is coming 293 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: up is twofold. 294 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: Number one, he's going to contract negotiation pending they didn't 295 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: redo his contract last year. And number two, there's a 296 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: new team president there, so end Policy, who's Karmon Policy's son, 297 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: is now the team president. He took over for Mark 298 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: Murphy back in the summer. And so there's a new 299 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: set of eyes that's on with Matt Lafleur making this decision. 300 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: And so you have to ask those questions. 301 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: They've obviously invested in the core of players they have. 302 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: Now they have some big decisions coming on some of 303 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: the younger players whose contracts are going to be coming 304 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: up so this is an important time for the franchise. 305 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody looks at that roster and says 306 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: it's devoid of talent. I don't think anybody looks at 307 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur and says he's a problem. But are if 308 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: you're the new team president, are you reupping? And at 309 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: what level are you reupping? And these are all questions 310 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: that need to be asked. There is one wild card 311 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: here too, which I just I don't know if anybody's 312 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: mentioned this, but like, assuming Matt Ryan becomes the president 313 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: of football operations Atlanta, do you know who his position 314 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: coach was when he went to the Super Bowl. 315 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen? It was Matt Lafleur. 316 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: So if Atlanta's senses, like if they were to get eliminated, 317 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: and Atlanta's senses like, could there be an issue here? 318 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Like do they pick up the phone and call and 319 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: say is like if you're having any thought about moving on? 320 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: Like could we work a trade? 321 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 6: Like? 322 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: And those are difficult to pull off because of the 323 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: room you rule and everything else. But it's just something 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: that's been in the back of my head a little 325 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: bit because I know how much Matt Ryan thinks of 326 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur, like, could that potentially be a marriage? 327 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Wow? 328 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: If the Packers aren't all in undoing a big new 329 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: contract for Matt Lafleur. 330 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: It's just something to just think a little bit about. 331 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: I again, like that's just me talking, But I do 332 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: think like given the coaching market and I think the 333 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: lack of obvious candidates this year, there's gonna be there's 334 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: gonna need to be a little bit more create activity. 335 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: I do think we're going to see some teams staking 336 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: outside the box that way. 337 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: Boy, that was good. That's a good way to end it. 338 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: That was a big explanation point. That's that's going to 339 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: be a simmer all through the weekend. All right, can't wait. 340 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Albert Brewers always a Monday morning quarterback cover the league 341 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: for twenty one years. Now, Good seeing you, buddy. 342 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: All right, thanks going. Yeah, that's an. 343 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Interesting one, you know, the world's relationships. I was just 344 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: I was a watching the other day. I was watching 345 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: the guy Prof. G. Scott Galloway is a love that guy. Yeah, 346 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: he does, you know, kind of a very thoughtful guy. 347 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: And he was talking about interviews are overrated that when 348 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: you start a company The first thing you do is 349 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: you go to the smart people in your company and go, 350 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: do you know anybody really smart? Like he goes interviews. 351 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: He goes occasionally he'll interview somebody and go, Wow, that's 352 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: not going to work, or Wow, they're brilliant. He goes, 353 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: by and large, go to the smartest people in your 354 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: company and say, hey, who's your smartest friend? He goes. 355 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. It's all relationships. And 356 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: I think that in this league a lot of it 357 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: comes down to, you know, Matt Ryan suddenly now is 358 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: a big shot with the Falcons. I mean Lafleur in Atlanta. 359 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: Why is Laflour leaving the Packers again? I mean if 360 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: they're not off him what he wants and he maybe 361 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: wants more power, maybe he wants an owner. I mean 362 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: five weeks ago. I mean, how many times can I 363 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: have the youngest team in the league. How many times 364 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: Canna have the fewest free agents? You know who likes 365 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: to live in Atlanta? 366 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 5: Pro athletes get brears just starting fires here fire again 367 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 5: with Michael Parsons, there's a super Bowl favorite. 368 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: Or soil He's already hurt. Oh my, are you yapping 369 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: on the inner web all the time. Wow, you don't 370 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: think Atlanta guys are yapping. I know pro athletes like 371 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: to live in Atlanta, easier to vision and you've got 372 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: an owner. 373 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: To Michael Pennicks, I like pix. That's a downgrade, Colin, 374 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 5: that's a clear downr Yes. 375 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: But the next year is the strongest quarterback again taking 376 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: a job knowing you're gonna scuffle for a year. Arthur 377 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Blank doesn't fire people after eight games. You're fine. Wow, 378 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: you're moving. Matt Lafleur, you and yeah, I'm not moving. 379 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 5: Don't do don't tag me online people with this. That's 380 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: not my I think Laflour is excellent. I think if 381 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 5: he's very solid. But I think there are obstacles in 382 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 5: Green Bay. There's obstacles everywhere you think. 383 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean Atlanta. 384 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 5: What have they done in the last outside of choking 385 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 5: away at Super Bowl? What have they done in the 386 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 5: last fifth. It's been a rough stretch, just like my Jets. No, 387 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 5: that's beyond a rough stretch. 388 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: That's a desert that never ends with no gas station 389 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: or water. You just stand in that car. Be a 390 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: gas station here eventually. No, that's one hundred and twenty 391 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: Bobby Desert. We'll come back next live in La the Herd. 392 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 393 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: and noon Eastern not a Empacific. Tom Brady on the 394 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: show tomorrow, Tom Brady on the show every week. Man 395 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: got a run. Jmak without further ado with a news 396 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: no no turn on the news. This is the Herd 397 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: Line news. 398 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: All right, Well, you know we got to start with 399 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 5: the carnival barker. Jerry Jones. He lets to say outland 400 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 5: his things, Colin, he met with the media and it's 401 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 5: their end of the season presser. Here's Jerry dropping another Josey. 402 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 6: My goal in life is to retire as the owner 403 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 6: that won the most Super Bowls. 404 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: That's my goal. 405 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 6: To be retired in the NFL as the owner that 406 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: won the most super Bowls. 407 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: We've got three. 408 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 6: How many more would I have to go as a 409 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 6: single owner. Bob's got how many six? So I've got 410 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 6: I've got work to do, got work to do. I 411 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: got work to do. But at least I'm up to 412 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 6: the second rung in the latter. But my goal is 413 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 6: to have retired and won the most Super Bowl as 414 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 6: an owner. 415 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, okay, I mean, he knows how to make 416 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: good soundbites and win the media for five minutes. You 417 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 5: know what he doesn't know how to do get to 418 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 5: an NFC championship game. 419 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: We all want something. 420 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 5: It's been like thirty years, but just saying this, you know, 421 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 5: and then the media goes crazy. It's on the show, 422 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: it's online, it's irrelevant. Put together our winning roster. Find 423 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 5: a coach. 424 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: Well, he had Jimmy and Parcels. They were strong personalities 425 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: and in the end they wanted to say and he 426 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. So he went with a buddy Barry 427 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: Switzer and Chan Gaily and Jason Garrett was fine, and 428 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy but they are not going to push back. 429 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: And so you know, it's funny. Is he made his 430 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: mark in you know, being an oil maverick and kind 431 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: of a risk taker. But he's almost gotten, you know 432 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: is I mean the Mica deal was a swing, but 433 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: he's gotten a little a little conservative, a little predictable 434 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: that he just won't pay for top coaches. 435 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 5: So I don't know how you'd rank owners, but there's 436 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 5: no way he's currently a top ten owner in the NFL. 437 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 5: When it comes to like managing a team and putting 438 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 5: together I think. 439 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: They draft necessarily poorly. I think they've got some good talent. 440 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I think I think the best Stoners are. We all 441 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: kind of know him. I don't think it's you know, 442 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lourie's really good Steve Bashat. 443 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 5: How often does Jeffrey Leury give a press conferences by 444 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 5: just curious? 445 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: Jed Yorke staying cronkey? How about those guys. 446 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 5: Are they out in front of the microphones all the time. Nope, 447 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 5: They're behind the scenes grinding. So Jerry needs to do 448 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 5: all right, Let's move on to the Ravens Colinet shocking 449 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 5: firing of John Harball. 450 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: Now that sent some shock. 451 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 5: Waves around the league, but we're waiting to hear what 452 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson has to say. Oh, we've got so far, Colin, 453 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 5: it is not much. He went on Instagram and he 454 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 5: didn't like thank Harball or mention him at all. All 455 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: he did was post, ah, here we go, picture of 456 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 5: himself looks like Zay Flowers someone else, and he wrote 457 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 5: year eight with the prayer hands emoji and then a 458 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: purple heart and a black heart. That's Lamar's reaction to 459 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: John Horble getting fired Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, 460 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 5: but you work with the guy for eight years you 461 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 5: can't get a thank you online? 462 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: Is this fishy something going on here? I think it's fishy, 463 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: but it's something, and it's something. 464 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 5: You read that story around Christmas time about Harball not 465 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 5: being thrilled Mike Preston, I. 466 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Believe in Baltimore. 467 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 5: Remember Lamar falling asleep in meetings, not wanting to practice. 468 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: It's interesting. So your question is where did that come from? 469 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: So I guess I wonder if in the meeting yesterday 470 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: that went a while, if that was brought up, like 471 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: who leaked that? I mean, that was pretty damning. 472 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: What was your speculation because I think at the time 473 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 5: we agreed this is probably coming from the Harball companies. 474 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 5: Actually he knew that to a Lamar side, yet he 475 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 5: knew that there was some smoke around him, and he 476 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 5: was probably looking to get ahead of this. 477 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: That's interesting. I mean, were you and Brier just throwing 478 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: out the well. 479 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 5: I mean I workshopped this on my podcast and I 480 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 5: was like, listen, if he goes to the Giants, comp 481 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 5: quarterback on the rookie deal, solid defensive front, the secondary's 482 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 5: awful you got Neighbors back, you got Scataboo back. I 483 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: mean their tight ends flashed a little bit. I think 484 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: you can quickly reboot the Giants and people aren't going 485 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 5: to agree, but they're a better scenario the Giants next 486 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 5: year than the Ravens are. 487 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 4: No. 488 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm just the Ravens do not have a lot of guys. 489 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: They've got a cap situation, got all sorts of Pro bowlers. 490 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 5: I don't even know if it's about fifty percent of 491 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 5: Jackson guard is the guy. We think he's a franchise quarterback, 492 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 5: I think, but he blew tent special. 493 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: He's in it there constantly. We didn't know bow Knicks 494 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: was a guy, an auto rookie deal. We knew he was. 495 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: He made the playoffs his first year in a division 496 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: with Mahomes and Herbert. Come on with Sean Payton and 497 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: a pretty damn good deep bo Knicks was. Come on, 498 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: bow Knicks was better than Jackson Dart in year one. 499 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Not close. Who has more upside as a quarterback? I 500 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: think they're both about the same. Interesting, they're both more 501 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: athletic than people probably give him credit for. 502 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 5: If we're predicting, where would you guess Harball Lands Giants. 503 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm with you one hundred percent. 504 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: Final story is Rams Panthers on Fox Saturday should be 505 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 5: a good one. Now, remember back in week thirteen, the 506 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 5: Panthers stunned the Rams thirty one twenty eight. Now, you 507 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 5: could break this down really in granular fashion. Okay, the 508 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 5: Rams only had five third downs in the entire game, Colin, 509 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 5: They moved seven point four yards per play up and 510 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 5: down the field, and they had a couple of mistakes 511 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 5: the pick six, and the Panthers were living clean on 512 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 5: fourth down three for three, including two touchdowns over thirty yards. 513 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 5: A lot of freaky stuff there. So Matt Stafford wasn't 514 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 5: great in that game. Little turnover prone here he is 515 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 5: talking about needing to play better. 516 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: If the Rams are going to make a run. 517 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 7: I'd like not to throw it to their team. And 518 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 7: you know, I think that was the story of the 519 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 7: game when you think about it. I mean, we moved 520 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 7: the ball well in some areas, scored a couple you know, 521 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 7: in the red zone, did some nice things, ran it well, 522 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 7: and just had the turnovers. And really, you look at 523 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 7: their defense, that's what they've been able to do to 524 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 7: a lot of teams. You know, whether it's getting a 525 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 7: tip at the line of scrimmage and somebody making a 526 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 7: play on it, or somebody in the back end making 527 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 7: a play or stripping the ball. So they're they're an 528 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 7: opportunistic group with a bunch of playmakers. 529 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: They are. 530 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: I didn't realize his Panthers are the biggest home underdog 531 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 5: in the NFL playoffs history. What yeah, ten and a 532 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 5: half according to our crack team here. 533 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: That's a big number home underdogs. 534 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: You don't get them a lot, and in the playoffs 535 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: the numbers are usually under seven because it's you know, 536 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 5: good teams make the playoffs. 537 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: Then here's the thing. There's a lot I like about 538 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: the Panthers. I think Dan Morgan's an excellent young GM 539 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: former player. I think Canalis has done proven makes quarterbacks better. 540 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Bryce Young feels more like a bridge than a franchise guy. 541 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: But he's okay, he's he's definitely C plus B minus, 542 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: but he's I wouldn't pay him big, but you know, 543 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: if I could get thirty five million, it's like, like, 544 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: let's keep continuity. And they've got two really big talented 545 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: targets and Doubtell's been a steal for them great, So 546 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: there's stuff to like about it. It's just when you 547 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: look at the Rams. If you put the ten best 548 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: players in this game, like nine, eight or nine and 549 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: eight or nine of the Rams, it's just it's like 550 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: Seattle San Francisco. Like if you start looking top twelve players, 551 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: Kittle's great and McCaffrey, but you start getting like three 552 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: Seahawks for every Niner. And when Pearsall and Trent Williams 553 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: are up, so like if Carolina got somebody, if Dowdell 554 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: got banged up in the first quarter, You're like, okay, 555 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: game's o. Like it gets ugly. So the margins for 556 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: Carolina are really thin, and for Philly and the Rams 557 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: in Seattle, you can it's just different. You can have 558 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: fumbles and win. You can throw a pick six and 559 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: a win. 560 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 5: I expect a lot of Dowdell and Chuba Hubbard, right, Basically, 561 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 5: you're gonna need like a one hundred and fifty yard 562 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: game to have a chance. They had a buck sixty 563 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: four in the earlier meeting. Rams run defense, not you know, elite, 564 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 5: it's good. It's like league average. I like Rams either. 565 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: Thirty to thirteen or something like that. 566 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 5: I'm a Rams like wake up, roll out of bed 567 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: and score thirty points. 568 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: This offense is a machine. 569 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 5: DeVante Adams expected to be back. 570 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: Jmack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks 571 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: for stopping. 572 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: That's the herd Line news. 573 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting. The Bears Packers is Saturday. It's 574 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fantastic. But Albert Breer, because he's looking 575 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Matt Leffleur is looking for a contract extension. I think 576 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: he should be safe. I think he's very, very good. 577 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: But there's some disappointment. You know, we're just we don't 578 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't they We're not quite sure what to do 579 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: with green Bay. And when you watched their rival Ben 580 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: Johnson walk into town and suddenly transform an offense, You're like, Matt, 581 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: how come they run the ball better than us up 582 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: in Green Bay? Why aren't when we have all these 583 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: young receivers, so do they? Why are Luther Burdens getting 584 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: touching Colston Loveland? 585 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 6: Now? 586 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: I think, in fair fairness, when Tucker Craft got hurt, 587 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the offense is not the same. Watson's in and out 588 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: of the lineup based on health. They're old line. It's 589 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: had some uh you know, key guy is banged up. 590 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: So they've dealt with some injuries. Bears offensively not as much. 591 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: But Albert Brier dropped this about Matt excuse me, yeah, 592 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's future potentially. 593 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: Assuming Matt Ryan becomes the president of football operations in Atlanta. 594 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: Do you know who his position coach was when he 595 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: went to the Super Bowl in twenty sixteen? 596 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: It was Matt Lafleur. So if Atlanta's senses, like if green. 597 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: Bay were to get eliminated, and Atlanta's senses like, could. 598 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: There be an issue here? 599 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: Like do they pick up the phone and call and 600 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: say is like, if you're having any thought about moving on? 601 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: Like could we work a trade? 602 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: Okay? That's interesting. That's uh. That that that that's interesting. 603 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: You know. The other thing that we talked about earlier 604 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: is it used to be that these owners were worth 605 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: three hundred million, five hundred million, eight hundred million. They're 606 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: all billionaire. They're all billionaires and some multi multi billionaires, 607 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: And what does that mean? They want what they want. 608 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: They're less patient, they're more impulsive, and you know Green 609 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Bay doesn't have that. So you always kind of think 610 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: the Rooneys and the Packers really don't like the fire coaches. 611 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: The Packers don't have an owner, and the Rooneys are 612 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: super conservative in terms of changes. They want their GM 613 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: and their coach to be lockstep for twenty years. That's 614 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: just how Pittsburgh operates. Everybody else. I mean, John Harbaugh, 615 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: weren't you a little shocked? So I mean, Raiders just 616 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: keep mowing through them. So you know, if Matt Lafleur, 617 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: like I think Cleveland made a big mistake moving off 618 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, why can't I tell that? Because look how 619 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: many teams, some good ones are interested. If Matt Lafleur 620 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: didn't sign a deal, Matt Lafleur would be unemployed for 621 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: about forty five minutes. So I mean, we're getting to 622 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: a point now where good coaches, like we all think 623 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur is good. What if he didn't get a 624 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: contract extension. We all know that pre Lamar Harbaugh's winning 625 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco, So that's that's It's 626 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: just it's the global wealth that is now infused. We 627 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: see it in college football with Mark Cuban writing a 628 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: big check now right for the Indiana Hoosia football program. 629 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: But the global network, the global wealth you're seeing it 630 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL where you're getting surprising higher. It used 631 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: to be the bums got fired. Now you're like Stefanski's 632 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: on the market. Lafleur could be on the market. Harball's 633 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: on the market. I mean those are really good coaches. 634 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Rabel, you're two years ago, Mike Rabel 635 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: got fired. He's the problem in Tennessee. I mean he 636 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: was the life persons for the whole franchise. You're you're 637 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: blaming Mike Vrabel. Okay, here is Matt Lafleur on the 638 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: matchup with the Bears. 639 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean it's the same thing our guys have 640 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 4: been doing all season Long's it's a tough opponent on 641 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: the road, a division rival. 642 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: There's obviously going to be a lot. 643 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 4: Of excitement and not only I mean everywhere about this game. 644 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: So you know, we just got to go play our 645 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 4: type of game. 646 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm I think Aileen Chicago. Windy weather 647 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: favors the run game. Bears have a great run attack. 648 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: They also played one of their poor games of the year. 649 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: They'll be inspired. I mean Packers haven't won a game 650 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: in a month. I don't when the weather is not ideal. 651 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: The things I look for are mostly can you run 652 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: the ball? Does your quarterback have a power arm? Can 653 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: your quarterback make yards with his feet? I could see 654 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Chicago throwing the ball seventeen times and doing a lot 655 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: of Caleb movement and running the ball forty five times. 656 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: Take the weather out of it. I could see it. 657 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: That's that's going to be an all time Yeah. 658 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 6: Yeah,