WEBVTT - #697 - Karma, Failure & Vulnerability 0:00:02.470 --> 0:00:15.210 Hey, everybody. I've never really been someone to believe in karma. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:20.320 I don't think there's some invisible scorekeeper that is watching 0:00:20.380 --> 0:00:23.580 everything and then handing out rewards when we're good and 0:00:23.900 --> 0:00:27.110 punishments when we're bad, mostly because I know really good 0:00:27.130 --> 0:00:30.830 people that have had terrible circumstances and tragedies. And I 0:00:30.870 --> 0:00:34.170 know some awful people that have had really great things 0:00:34.210 --> 0:00:36.290 happen to them and they would continue to land on 0:00:36.330 --> 0:00:40.630 their feet. I don't feel like life generally is fair 0:00:40.690 --> 0:00:46.450 enough to explain that karma is sitting around rewarding people equally. 0:00:46.490 --> 0:00:51.670 So not a karma guy. However, I do believe that 0:00:52.010 --> 0:00:54.480 the people you keep yourself close to and the situations 0:00:54.490 --> 0:00:58.120 that you put yourself in shape your odds. It's a 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:05.260 bit of math, linear, logically. You spend time around kind, 0:01:05.380 --> 0:01:07.459 honest people who want to do something with their lives. 0:01:07.900 --> 0:01:12.680 You generally and genuinely start to have that rub off 0:01:12.780 --> 0:01:14.959 on you. And it starts to affect you even when 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.610 you don't even realize that. They encourage you. They tell 0:01:19.630 --> 0:01:24.610 you the truth, even when it's not comfortable. They introduce 0:01:24.650 --> 0:01:27.200 you to somebody they can help you. Or they mention 0:01:27.220 --> 0:01:29.920 an opportunity that you take, or they remind you that 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.600 you're probably more capable than you think. And maybe it 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.220 doesn't change your life overnight, but those little moments can 0:01:37.300 --> 0:01:41.180 add up. And maybe it doesn't feel like lightning bolt karma, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.550 but all those micro decisions that you're making do end 0:01:45.700 --> 0:01:50.870 up making, for the most part, a macro happy life. 0:01:52.270 --> 0:01:55.310 It works the other way too. If you're always around 0:01:55.330 --> 0:01:59.890 people who are angry or reckless or pulling you into 0:02:00.060 --> 0:02:04.310 one bad decision after another, pretty soon that starts to 0:02:04.330 --> 0:02:08.730 feel normal. Think about chaotic people. If you surround yourself 0:02:08.770 --> 0:02:12.850 with chaotic people, you're always going to live in chaos. 0:02:12.889 --> 0:02:15.609 And what happens in chaos? Well, chaotic things. And it's 0:02:15.630 --> 0:02:18.679 weird to go, karma must be getting me because everything's chaotic. 0:02:19.540 --> 0:02:26.640 For the most part, you've put yourself, just a the 0:02:26.660 --> 0:02:29.220 bad choices are going to catch up with you. You 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.600 might miss good opportunities. Sometimes because you're dealing with the 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:37.260 fallout from the last opportunity. Again, this doesn't mean everybody 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.800 around you has to be perfect. It just means the 0:02:40.900 --> 0:02:44.440 people and the places that you spend the most time 0:02:44.820 --> 0:02:48.260 have an absolute influence on you, on what you think, 0:02:48.740 --> 0:02:51.520 on what you think is normal, on what you think 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.120 is possible. All those are affected. I think about this 0:02:55.150 --> 0:02:57.190 a little bit now because I've I have a baby. 0:02:57.669 --> 0:03:00.510 She's seven months old, about to be eight. And I 0:03:00.510 --> 0:03:04.109 don't really want to teach her that if you just 0:03:04.130 --> 0:03:08.330 do good, maybe the karma blows in like a gust 0:03:08.370 --> 0:03:10.329 of wind and helps you out. I want to teach 0:03:10.350 --> 0:03:12.840 her that if you just generally point in a direction, 0:03:13.250 --> 0:03:16.290 things from that direction are going to come into your purview. 0:03:17.500 --> 0:03:20.200 And so let me be clear about this because I'll 0:03:20.220 --> 0:03:22.040 get to a point here in a second. I don't 0:03:22.100 --> 0:03:24.380 think it means if something bad happens to you, you 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.040 brought it on yourself. even mathematically speaking. I don't think 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.120 that at all. Good people get sick. Good people lose 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.900 people they love. Bad things happen to people that absolutely 0:03:36.980 --> 0:03:40.590 do not deserve it. I don't believe the world works 0:03:40.870 --> 0:03:43.810 as a very neat, simple equation as much as I'm 0:03:43.850 --> 0:03:50.930 talking about math here. I do believe though, mostly in probabilities, 0:03:51.550 --> 0:03:53.510 like probably this is going to happen if you do 0:03:53.550 --> 0:03:56.060 it most of the time. So I do think we 0:03:56.100 --> 0:03:59.180 have influence on our surroundings and sometimes more than we 0:03:59.220 --> 0:04:01.620 like to admit. Who do you call when you need advice? 0:04:02.660 --> 0:04:04.530 Who are you around when you're making decisions? I think 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.870 about this to teenagers. When I was a teenager, like 0:04:06.890 --> 0:04:08.530 who did I surround myself with that put me in 0:04:08.570 --> 0:04:13.410 a place to actually be a functioning, a hopefully giving 0:04:13.450 --> 0:04:16.830 back to society, young adult, and then main adult. And 0:04:16.850 --> 0:04:19.280 I think a lot of parents probably have to deal 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.159 with this with their kids. Like how do you get 0:04:21.180 --> 0:04:23.060 them in the right environment? They're not going to make 0:04:23.180 --> 0:04:26.370 every decision right. They're kids, but can they make a 0:04:26.450 --> 0:04:30.550 lot right that put them in the best place? Who 0:04:30.570 --> 0:04:33.170 are they eating lunch with? Who are they hanging out 0:04:33.190 --> 0:04:35.940 with on Friday night? Maybe luck's a part of it. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.880 I'm also not a big luck guy. It's a whole 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.760 different topic. Maybe timing is a part of it, but 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.480 more often than not, when you put yourself around good 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.950 people and good situations and Good things are more likely 0:04:49.990 --> 0:04:52.610 to find you. And when you keep choosing the opposite, 0:04:53.470 --> 0:04:56.740 the opposite is more likely to find you too. That 0:04:56.770 --> 0:05:01.860 isn't karma. That's the effect of what and who you 0:05:01.900 --> 0:05:07.900 keep close. Now, hopefully you can remember that. On my 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.760 computer that I have right here, I keep a list 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:16.450 of people that I really don't like. My therapist says, 0:05:17.470 --> 0:05:20.080 he doesn't love that I do this. But I keep 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.820 a list in my notes app. People I'm feuding with. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.440 It never goes more than 10. And I don't root 0:05:30.460 --> 0:05:34.040 for bad things to happen to them. If they do, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.120 I don't care as much. I don't really think about them. 0:05:40.170 --> 0:05:42.370 But I want to be reminded, oh, I don't want 0:05:42.410 --> 0:05:45.730 to be around those people. I don't want to have 0:05:45.750 --> 0:05:48.790 anything to do with those people. Now, I have had people... 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.080 on my list that we have made amends and they 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:58.440 were pulled from my list one of them Kentucky Sports 0:05:58.500 --> 0:06:02.070 Radio's Matt Jones we were good friends he came to 0:06:02.089 --> 0:06:04.210 my wedding we had a bit of a falling out 0:06:04.830 --> 0:06:06.490 I put him on my list of people I'm feuding 0:06:06.529 --> 0:06:09.870 with we had a good talk after he's no longer 0:06:09.910 --> 0:06:13.510 someone I'm feuding with but I have this list and 0:06:13.550 --> 0:06:16.070 again I don't think about the people on this list 0:06:17.430 --> 0:06:19.190 I don't root for bad things to happen to them 0:06:20.870 --> 0:06:22.990 And remember all the stuff about karma, right? Don't believe 0:06:23.029 --> 0:06:25.090 in karma, but I believe if you keep doing bad, 0:06:25.110 --> 0:06:27.469 it's a numbers game. Eventually bad is going to happen 0:06:27.510 --> 0:06:34.060 to you. In my professional world, I have people that 0:06:34.100 --> 0:06:37.700 will come after me because they know if I fight back, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.719 they will be platformed. Something I've spoken about many times. 0:06:42.339 --> 0:06:48.200 So it's hard for me as someone who is highly competitive, unhealthily, 0:06:50.220 --> 0:06:56.810 wholly insecure, unhealthily. And I'm an eight, so I'm a challenger. 0:06:58.650 --> 0:07:02.270 Every part of me just wants to punch them in 0:07:02.290 --> 0:07:05.650 the face. And there's this one, we'll just say this 0:07:05.890 --> 0:07:12.470 unit that constantly begs for me to fight. And they 0:07:12.510 --> 0:07:16.090 say some really nasty things about me. And for me, 0:07:16.950 --> 0:07:20.489 I know it's better for them If I engage and interact. 0:07:21.610 --> 0:07:26.270 So I don't. I'd love to. Because they're the worst. 0:07:27.750 --> 0:07:34.360 Literally the worst. I don't believe in karma. What's been 0:07:34.420 --> 0:07:41.300 happening with this unit? I wouldn't root for bad. But 0:07:41.340 --> 0:07:45.670 we're starting to see the numbers catch up. one after 0:07:45.710 --> 0:07:47.290 the other, after the other. And I'm going to be 0:07:47.310 --> 0:07:48.910 a bit vague here, but I think maybe we can 0:07:48.930 --> 0:07:52.060 put the pieces together and see that things aren't shaping 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:59.260 up so good over and over again. And it's not 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:04.520 karma because you're a bad person. It's you're a bad 0:08:04.580 --> 0:08:09.560 person so often that bad things eventually happen back. Congratulations. 0:08:10.060 --> 0:08:12.120 You suck and now sucky things are happening to you. 0:08:15.030 --> 0:08:19.510 That's my TED talk on karma with a slight vague 0:08:20.050 --> 0:08:25.210 dig added in without platforming someone on my list of 0:08:25.250 --> 0:08:29.480 people I'm feuding with. Congratulations on your last few months. 0:08:32.020 --> 0:08:37.600 That's number one. Number two, and I'm going to talk 0:08:37.620 --> 0:08:40.040 to you guys here and I'm not going to clip this. Now, 0:08:40.059 --> 0:08:42.300 a lot of what we do It has to be 0:08:42.340 --> 0:08:45.490 consumed in different parts for us to actually make a 0:08:45.510 --> 0:08:47.890 good living off of it. If you're any sort of creator, 0:08:47.929 --> 0:08:51.790 you basically have three ways that you can create. You 0:08:51.830 --> 0:08:54.949 have the audio part, which this podcast goes on to 0:08:55.030 --> 0:08:59.120 audio feed. And my audio feed does really well, which 0:08:59.150 --> 0:09:03.000 is great because I've been podcasting since 2006. And luckily, 0:09:03.020 --> 0:09:07.060 I have folks that keep coming back. And I appreciate 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.410 that so much. I've never lost people. sight of who 0:09:11.530 --> 0:09:13.910 I am I've definitely changed which we all do as 0:09:13.950 --> 0:09:16.860 we get older I'm not the same person that I 0:09:16.890 --> 0:09:20.180 was at age 25 but I would like to think 0:09:20.260 --> 0:09:26.120 that I am still compellingly authentic that doesn't mean you 0:09:26.140 --> 0:09:27.660 have to agree with everything I say doesn't mean you 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:28.839 have to like everything I say it doesn't mean you 0:09:28.860 --> 0:09:30.199 have to like me all the time because you don't 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.220 do that with your friends you don't like your friends 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.320 all the time you don't like everything about them but 0:09:35.340 --> 0:09:38.260 what I appreciate is with you guys that listen to 0:09:38.300 --> 0:09:40.900 me regularly or that watch me regularly is that you 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.679 don't put an unfair expectation on me to be perfect 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.710 because I don't present myself as that. I present myself 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.570 as someone who will read you a list of people 0:09:48.610 --> 0:09:51.030 I'm feuding with because I'm so insecure. And then my 0:09:51.050 --> 0:09:53.069 therapist says, you shouldn't do that. But I do anyway. 0:09:53.410 --> 0:09:56.050 I know a lot of my faults and flaws. I 0:09:56.090 --> 0:09:58.610 have really good awareness of that. And I'm at the 0:09:58.630 --> 0:10:03.000 age now where that okay. Good. Like I know what 0:10:03.020 --> 0:10:06.600 my ceiling is, but I have a great appreciation for 0:10:06.660 --> 0:10:09.840 everybody that has been riding with me for decades that 0:10:09.860 --> 0:10:13.080 has allowed me to have a really happy and successful 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.360 career and have a great appreciation for people that just 0:10:16.380 --> 0:10:19.660 started riding with me. And so I try to be honest, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.520 from me. I don't know that I'm always telling the truth, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.420 but I don't think I lie on purpose. I don't 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.439 think I mislead on purpose. I've just been wrong at times. 0:10:29.420 --> 0:10:33.800 And so I come on and I share things and 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.940 I appreciate the support. And I appreciate at times when 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.730 you don't support, but then you still come back, right? 0:10:40.750 --> 0:10:42.710 I've been able to build this, this business into something 0:10:42.730 --> 0:10:45.310 pretty good. And the three ways you make money is audio. 0:10:45.330 --> 0:10:50.800 The first one, the second one is video. And luckily video-wise, 0:10:50.820 --> 0:10:56.949 I have a really wonderful, substantial deal with Netflix and 0:10:57.500 --> 0:10:59.349 it's a fantastic contract and we're still in the middle 0:10:59.390 --> 0:11:01.130 of it and we're doing a lot of episodes and 0:11:01.550 --> 0:11:05.670 it has been a really great working relationship. And so 0:11:05.710 --> 0:11:10.130 thank you for everybody watching on Netflix. The third way, 0:11:10.150 --> 0:11:12.589 because you have audio and you have video, and that's 0:11:12.670 --> 0:11:14.730 the long form video, is there's a clipping, right? And 0:11:14.770 --> 0:11:18.390 so We clip all kinds of stuff. If something is impactful, 0:11:18.410 --> 0:11:19.969 if it's a moment or if it's a minute and 0:11:19.990 --> 0:11:24.290 a half, we clip it. And sometimes even in interviews, 0:11:25.630 --> 0:11:27.800 like I have Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins coming up. 0:11:28.370 --> 0:11:29.370 I'm like, hey, we're going to do this part of 0:11:29.390 --> 0:11:30.690 the interview. And he knows. He's like, oh, you're going 0:11:30.710 --> 0:11:31.209 to clip this. 0:11:32.030 --> 0:11:32.209 Yeah. 0:11:32.570 --> 0:11:34.510 So we've got those three ways. And clipping really for 0:11:34.550 --> 0:11:36.910 me does not make me any money because all that's 0:11:36.950 --> 0:11:40.410 doing is like helping my social media. I don't make 0:11:40.460 --> 0:11:42.600 any money off social media. I don't do brand deals. 0:11:43.290 --> 0:11:48.469 So Instagram, I don't get paid anything. Twitter. That's just 0:11:48.610 --> 0:11:50.890 basically a terrorist attack over there. I don't even know 0:11:50.910 --> 0:11:55.980 what Twitter is anymore. TikTok, I don't make any money. 0:11:56.780 --> 0:12:00.660 When I got on TikTok, I got into the, whatever 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.320 the program is for creators, it's the creator fund. And 0:12:03.660 --> 0:12:06.840 I feel like even if it's unfair, I could be wrong, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.880 that as soon as I got into that creator fund, 0:12:08.980 --> 0:12:10.839 my videos were starting to get suppressed because who wants 0:12:10.860 --> 0:12:13.119 to pay out? I get it. But those are the 0:12:13.140 --> 0:12:14.640 three ways. And what I'm going to say now, we're 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.440 not going to clip. All that to say, we're not 0:12:16.460 --> 0:12:18.390 going to clip this Because I'm going to keep it 0:12:18.550 --> 0:12:22.050 only in this space because if anybody sees this, I 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.280 would hope they don't use this for their own ammunition 0:12:26.380 --> 0:12:28.520 or use it against me. Because I'm going to be 0:12:28.540 --> 0:12:30.580 vulnerable here and I'm going to share with you some 0:12:30.660 --> 0:12:34.469 ideas that over the past few years I have created, 0:12:35.710 --> 0:12:40.050 gotten to different stages with, and haven't crossed the finish 0:12:40.090 --> 0:12:42.790 line as far as production deals for television shows, etc. 0:12:43.590 --> 0:12:44.710 And it's going to get to the idea that I 0:12:44.750 --> 0:12:46.820 sent out last night. And normally I would never share 0:12:47.190 --> 0:12:51.730 these ideas when they're still in the works. Because, well, 0:12:52.370 --> 0:12:53.469 you could be like, well, I don't want to jinx it, 0:12:53.690 --> 0:12:55.530 but I don't want anybody to steal it before somebody 0:12:55.570 --> 0:12:57.330 says no to it. But I'm going to leave it here. 0:12:57.350 --> 0:12:58.890 No one's going to clip it. Just me and you talking. 0:12:59.670 --> 0:13:02.170 All good. I'll tell you an idea that I really 0:13:02.230 --> 0:13:04.550 thought was going to get far. A couple of years ago, 0:13:05.730 --> 0:13:10.240 I sent a voicemail to the head of Nat Geo. 0:13:10.980 --> 0:13:12.459 She's the president of Nat Geo. I'd done a couple 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.559 of shows with her. She's awesome. Her name's Courtney Monroe. 0:13:16.530 --> 0:13:20.000 And she's Nat Geo, Disney Plus. And I told her 0:13:20.010 --> 0:13:23.079 about this idea that I had. And I said, I 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.340 want to do this show called Take Me to Your Leader. Now, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.660 if you watch any sort of alien television shows in 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.120 the 80s or 90s, they'd be like, take me to 0:13:30.140 --> 0:13:32.580 your leader. They want to be taken to whoever the 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.950 leader was in America. They take us to the president. 0:13:35.550 --> 0:13:37.229 My idea was to show up to a foreign country. 0:13:38.090 --> 0:13:39.150 And the show was going to be called Take Me 0:13:39.170 --> 0:13:42.270 to Your Leader. And I would just go spend the 0:13:42.290 --> 0:13:46.490 day with whomever the president or chancellor or or prime 0:13:46.530 --> 0:13:51.000 minister was with almost no knowledge of them, go to 0:13:51.020 --> 0:13:55.200 where they're from. I'm not intimidated by them. I guess 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.219 I would have respect for the office, but since I 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.680 don't live there, the office does not hold like the 0:14:02.710 --> 0:14:07.430 same power. The office doesn't hold, you know, there's nothing 0:14:07.530 --> 0:14:10.030 about it that like the president, I'm like, I'll never 0:14:10.050 --> 0:14:11.850 meet a president. That's crazy. The president's a whole different thing. 0:14:12.130 --> 0:14:14.810 If you're the prime minister of Zubakistan, I don't give 0:14:14.830 --> 0:14:17.920 a crap. That's cool. So I wanted to go do 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.560 this show and look at these people that I didn't 0:14:19.620 --> 0:14:24.800 know that were these leaders and do a profile piece 0:14:24.860 --> 0:14:28.540 on them from my perspective. And then at the end, 0:14:28.580 --> 0:14:30.520 give my feedback on what I thought about them, not 0:14:30.580 --> 0:14:33.250 knowing where they stood on anything. And so I called 0:14:33.260 --> 0:14:33.970 her and I said, hey, I want to go to 0:14:33.990 --> 0:14:35.270 these countries. How do I get in touch with different 0:14:35.290 --> 0:14:37.830 presidents around the world? Bold idea, because I was just 0:14:37.850 --> 0:14:42.330 going to do it online. And she said, you're nuts. 0:14:43.210 --> 0:14:44.450 I said, why? She goes, do you think you can 0:14:44.470 --> 0:14:47.510 just email presidents And they would just answer and say, yeah, 0:14:47.550 --> 0:14:50.670 come on over and spend the day here. And I said, oh, 0:14:50.710 --> 0:14:52.550 so you're saying no. She goes, no, I think you're 0:14:52.570 --> 0:14:55.070 so nuts. I've never heard anyone talk about it like that. 0:14:55.110 --> 0:14:56.910 People have done travel shows. But to say, take me 0:14:56.930 --> 0:14:57.930 to your leader and just want to go hang out 0:14:57.950 --> 0:14:59.670 with the president of every country and get to know them. 0:15:00.050 --> 0:15:03.050 She goes, that's interesting. So this is the fun part 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.680 about it. She says, I think that's a very interesting idea. 0:15:05.700 --> 0:15:10.240 I'm going to introduce you to someone that I think 0:15:10.300 --> 0:15:14.340 you guys would really have a lot in common. And 0:15:14.380 --> 0:15:17.310 maybe an idea can come from this. I said, great. 0:15:17.850 --> 0:15:19.310 I said, who's that person? She goes, I'm going to 0:15:19.330 --> 0:15:21.730 put you on text now. So the president of Nat Geo, 0:15:21.750 --> 0:15:24.110 Courtney Monroe, puts me on a group text with Mariana 0:15:24.130 --> 0:15:27.290 Van Zeller, who has now been on this show multiple times. 0:15:27.830 --> 0:15:31.430 She had the show trafficked. She just had the romance 0:15:31.450 --> 0:15:34.120 scammer show, the documentary that was out. Again, she's been 0:15:34.140 --> 0:15:37.500 on the Bobbycast twice. She is my favorite guest. She 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.960 basically lived with cartels for a while to report on them. 0:15:41.020 --> 0:15:44.940 She risks her life constantly. That's really how we got 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.760 to know each other. We had a show on Nat 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.300 Geo at the same time, and her show followed mine, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.500 but I didn't know her. I just knew of her, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.440 and I would watch her show and go, holy cow, 0:15:53.460 --> 0:15:56.920 she's with people that are stealing cars and selling them 0:15:56.940 --> 0:15:58.520 on the black market, and she's reporting on that. How 0:15:58.580 --> 0:16:00.940 is she not getting murdered all the time? Little did 0:16:00.980 --> 0:16:04.490 I know we would become friends later because of Courtney Monroe, 0:16:04.780 --> 0:16:08.550 the president over there, linking us together. And so before 0:16:08.930 --> 0:16:11.370 Mariana Benzela did anything with me over on my shows— 0:16:12.390 --> 0:16:14.270 She said, I think that idea is very interesting. She 0:16:14.290 --> 0:16:17.130 has a production company. It's called Muck Media. She said, 0:16:17.230 --> 0:16:19.790 why don't you come to LA? Let's sit with our 0:16:19.810 --> 0:16:22.940 whole team and go through all of your ideas and 0:16:22.980 --> 0:16:24.380 see where we can come. So we go and we 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.700 had multiple meetings and it then started getting pitched to networks. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.680 And we were getting medium feedback. Occasionally someone would come 0:16:32.710 --> 0:16:36.310 back and they'd have more questions. And at one point 0:16:36.350 --> 0:16:37.550 we thought for a second it was going to get 0:16:37.570 --> 0:16:41.220 picked up. And the idea had slowly disappeared. changed a 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:42.920 little bit over time because depending on what a network 0:16:42.940 --> 0:16:44.920 wants to buy and it's been very tough to get 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:50.480 networks to buy anything recently and that show did not 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.860 in the end get picked up and I thought Take 0:16:53.900 --> 0:16:56.770 Me to Your Leader was a pretty good show and 0:16:56.790 --> 0:17:00.450 a pretty good idea also I just wanted the free 0:17:00.490 --> 0:17:03.030 trips to all these countries and to get pictures of 0:17:03.070 --> 0:17:06.210 me and all these presidents so that's one idea that 0:17:06.230 --> 0:17:08.990 didn't get picked up it's still kind of out there 0:17:09.630 --> 0:17:11.890 I then also thought about doing that same idea, take 0:17:11.930 --> 0:17:13.910 me to your leader as a podcast, but I wouldn't 0:17:13.930 --> 0:17:17.409 do presidents. I would go talk to different CEOs and different, 0:17:18.030 --> 0:17:20.030 I don't want to just go to all sports, but 0:17:20.090 --> 0:17:23.389 different leaders in general here domestically in the States or 0:17:23.590 --> 0:17:25.609 in North America. And it was a very much a 0:17:25.670 --> 0:17:29.020 leadership type podcast. I did a book. My second book 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.040 was called fail until you don't and how to succeed, 0:17:31.619 --> 0:17:36.320 except I wasn't giving away any sort of miraculous cure 0:17:36.340 --> 0:17:38.909 or snake oil, or it was just, These are the 0:17:38.990 --> 0:17:44.070 pragmatic steps to actually win. And I think a lot 0:17:44.090 --> 0:17:46.990 of times we don't focus on the real practical stuff. 0:17:47.010 --> 0:17:49.859 We focus on how do we get there the fastest 0:17:49.900 --> 0:17:53.240 and the highest. And a lot of times that's the 0:17:53.300 --> 0:17:55.960 worst idea because you have to really grab one ladder 0:17:56.020 --> 0:17:58.879 rung at a time for the most part. And I 0:17:58.900 --> 0:18:02.219 think Nick Saban's the one that said it. Never let 0:18:02.260 --> 0:18:04.909 a failure go to waste. I think a lot of 0:18:04.930 --> 0:18:06.469 times we do let failures go to waste. And what 0:18:06.510 --> 0:18:08.909 I mean by that is When it doesn't work out, 0:18:08.950 --> 0:18:11.510 because eventually, inevitably, it's not going to work out, if 0:18:11.590 --> 0:18:15.409 anything that you're doing is worth it, sometimes it's not 0:18:15.430 --> 0:18:19.810 going to work. Don't fail and not learn something from it, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.800 especially if you want to keep doing it. Like my, well, heights. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.700 Other than heights. My greatest fear is for me to 0:18:28.770 --> 0:18:33.169 fail at something and learn nothing from it. It's not 0:18:33.190 --> 0:18:35.770 me trying something and it not working. I do that 0:18:35.850 --> 0:18:40.660 all the time. My career is that. It's me trying something, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.580 it not working, and me not being any smarter at 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.619 all because of it. That's the worst. That's the fear. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:56.590 I probably 99 to 1 on ideas that I have, 0:18:56.690 --> 0:18:59.020 that I spend time on, that I work through, that 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.139 actually don't to do get picked up or used in 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:07.639 some form. 99 no's. Hopefully one yes. It's not even 0:19:07.660 --> 0:19:12.840 a full yes. So that idea went from the beginning 0:19:13.500 --> 0:19:15.760 and it still lives in me a little bit because 0:19:15.780 --> 0:19:18.320 I think it could be turned into something else. I 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:19.720 think Take Me to Your Leader could be any kind 0:19:19.740 --> 0:19:22.230 of leader. It could be any series here. Still pretty good. 0:19:22.250 --> 0:19:24.030 I think we could do that even here on Netflix. 0:19:24.430 --> 0:19:25.870 And I go sit with leaders and it's a Take 0:19:25.890 --> 0:19:28.310 Me to Your Leader type show. Like I have a 0:19:28.369 --> 0:19:30.570 parenting show that sometimes I jump into. We haven't done 0:19:30.590 --> 0:19:33.130 it in a bit, but the parenting show is called, 0:19:33.150 --> 0:19:37.450 it's not called My Two Dads. What was that one called? 0:19:37.830 --> 0:19:41.169 Father knows less. Father knows less. Okay. It's like a 0:19:41.290 --> 0:19:43.520 parody of Father Knows Best, which also was like a 0:19:43.540 --> 0:19:46.790 black and white TV show. So that was number one 0:19:46.830 --> 0:19:48.510 that didn't work out. A lot of times I'll get 0:19:48.550 --> 0:19:50.980 people that come to me. and say, hey, you should 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.399 really try to do something based around Dancing with the 0:19:55.420 --> 0:19:57.820 Stars since you won the show. And I'm not really 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.470 involved officially, but I do talk about it a good amount. 0:20:00.970 --> 0:20:02.750 It gets brought up to me more than I talk 0:20:02.790 --> 0:20:05.690 about it. And for the most part, I really only 0:20:05.770 --> 0:20:09.330 stay and talk about it during shows. the season, because 0:20:09.350 --> 0:20:10.590 I know that's going to get a lot of clicks, 0:20:10.950 --> 0:20:13.209 but I get TV producers sometimes hit me up going, Hey, 0:20:13.270 --> 0:20:15.510 what do you have? Do you think we'll be interesting 0:20:15.530 --> 0:20:17.850 about dancing with the stars? And at one point I 0:20:17.910 --> 0:20:22.040 wrote a script. It wasn't a full pilot, but I 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:26.040 wrote a miniature pilot, a pilot is what we call 0:20:26.060 --> 0:20:30.320 in the industry. It's really not a term, but I 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.050 wrote it and it was a parody of dancing with 0:20:33.070 --> 0:20:36.850 the stars and And it included a lot of what 0:20:36.890 --> 0:20:39.129 I learned about behind the scenes and the TV production 0:20:39.150 --> 0:20:42.280 part of it. But we were using, it was scripted 0:20:42.300 --> 0:20:44.160 and it was a comedy, but we were using actual 0:20:44.180 --> 0:20:51.760 real celebrities playing themselves in it. So let's say James 0:20:51.780 --> 0:20:53.940 Franco was going to be one of the people on 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.050 Dancing with the Stars. James Franco would play himself. And 0:20:58.090 --> 0:21:00.190 I think that inspiration, because I'm trying to think back 0:21:00.230 --> 0:21:04.420 as to why I had the idea to put people 0:21:04.460 --> 0:21:07.600 playing themselves in it. Jury Duty was the show. And 0:21:07.820 --> 0:21:11.860 in that show, Jury Duty, the real good looking guy, 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.840 is his name James too? The actor, he was in 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.680 Sonic the Hedgehog. That dude, he played himself and he 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.720 was a celebrity. Yeah, this dude's like 55 or something 0:21:24.740 --> 0:21:28.850 and still looks like he's 25. James Marsden, Sonic the 0:21:28.890 --> 0:21:31.950 freaking Hedgehog dude. And I thought that was so interesting. 0:21:31.970 --> 0:21:35.550 He was playing himself in that show where it was 0:21:35.570 --> 0:21:37.210 a comedy, but the person didn't know that it was 0:21:37.230 --> 0:21:38.570 all set up. I thought, what if we did a 0:21:38.590 --> 0:21:41.410 Dancing with the Stars comedy? We couldn't call it that. 0:21:42.109 --> 0:21:44.190 And then we had four or five real celebrities playing themselves, right? 0:21:45.340 --> 0:21:49.219 That show, I thought it was getting picked up. And 0:21:49.540 --> 0:21:51.580 I had written me a very small role in it 0:21:52.060 --> 0:21:53.680 because I created it and I was just going to 0:21:53.700 --> 0:21:55.780 be the host of the show, which fun fact, they 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.060 had talked to me forever about being the host of 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.000 the show. And they're like, you're the guy, you're the guy. 0:21:59.500 --> 0:22:00.859 And I thought I was the guy until one day 0:22:00.900 --> 0:22:03.840 they said, I mean, my, my, Twitter just said, Tyra 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.220 Banks hired as a new host. I was like, no, 0:22:05.330 --> 0:22:07.770 they're hiring me. They must have tweeted this out wrong. 0:22:08.350 --> 0:22:10.550 I've been in meetings. They said they're hiring me. So 0:22:10.630 --> 0:22:15.129 there was definitely talk to me. We were having not 0:22:15.410 --> 0:22:19.290 active negotiations, but we were having logistics conversations about me 0:22:19.330 --> 0:22:22.429 hosting that show. That being said, I wrote me a 0:22:22.550 --> 0:22:24.410