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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, tell us a story about your high

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Speaker 2: school wrestling team that saw some kind of strange object.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks. So this is what's really interesting about it, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been interested in these topics now for

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Speaker 3: several decades, but it was just a few years ago

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Speaker 3: that a friend of mine, Dominic, who I've known since

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Speaker 3: was in contact with the wrestling coach from our high

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Speaker 3: school years back in the eighties, and that he had

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Speaker 3: learned of a UFO siding by the wrestling team of

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Speaker 3: my class I think I would have been in tenth

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Speaker 3: out of a wrestling match on a Saturday afternoon of

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Speaker 3: Marnich High School and over the high school about a

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Speaker 3: half mile up or so, they saw and this is

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, by the way, before the Hudson Valley.

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Speaker 3: Trying go with something that had really been seen very much,

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Speaker 3: they saw a black triangle hovering over Maronick High School.

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Speaker 3: Apparently my classmates, one of them said it was the

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Speaker 3: scariest thing he'd ever seen in his life. And Vinny,

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Speaker 3: actually said that planes came out of from the direction

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Speaker 3: of Connecticut and chased this black triangle, which he said

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Speaker 3: took off like the Starship Enterprise on warp speed that

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Speaker 3: was the direction of New Jersey and just totally outpaced

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Speaker 3: these Vietnam era fighter planes. This is nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: And he called the police, and the police said, yes,

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Speaker 3: we've had other calls come in, and there's a blackout

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Speaker 3: in the four towns right now around your area. And

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Speaker 3: just recently, Dominic went to one of the local libraries

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Speaker 3: looked on microfiche for newspapers from that time and found

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Speaker 3: two articles completely rein sporting of any story. I've reproduced

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Speaker 3: some of those articles right in the book. So it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Forty years later you're finding out what your classmates in

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Speaker 3: high school saw. Mean, how long did it take George

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Speaker 3: for these stories to these cosccounts to come out?

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Speaker 2: Why are some people so afraid to come forward with

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Speaker 2: their information.

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Speaker 3: People do not like to be accused of being strange

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Speaker 3: or weird, at least most people, right, and we have

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Speaker 3: this fear. I think it's some sort of mammalian fear,

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Speaker 3: a part of being in a group, that we're going

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Speaker 3: seen something that is not considered to be part of

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Speaker 3: our training of what you've been taught to be real

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Speaker 3: formal reality. And so if you say you've seen something

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Speaker 3: that you know we've been trained to laugh at, your

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Speaker 3: subject to ridicual and hostility, you know, and most people

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Speaker 3: don't want to experience that, so they choose to not

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Speaker 3: share their stories. So you just have to wonder how

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Speaker 3: many witnesses are out there to these phenomena like Coach Vinny,

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Speaker 3: who have never shared their story, or maybe just with

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Speaker 3: a few people. A lot of these stories I've heard

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Speaker 3: have come from children of people who've been in the military.

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Speaker 3: Their parents were in the military, and they only heard

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Speaker 3: too much to drink at the barbecue and then never

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Speaker 3: wanted to talk about it again, or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Though I am a feeling there's thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 3: witness stories we haven't heard yet that we will eventually.

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Speaker 2: Saman do you believe that disclosure is critical?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen at some point in our lifetimes.

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Speaker 3: I don't see any other way around it. It may

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Speaker 3: not happen as quickly as we might have thought it

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Speaker 3: would happen, and it happens at different levels. George. It's

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Speaker 3: not just perhaps the government coming forward with some sort

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Speaker 3: a part of us that has to perhaps recognize that

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Speaker 3: we've had experiences that we may have forgotten or did

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Speaker 3: not want to remember, because we have very strong psychological

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Speaker 3: defense mechanisms. And this was discussed in a recent film,

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Speaker 3: the sequel called Paranoral Bigfoot, but before that they just

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Speaker 3: these psychologists talking about how people don't remember their experiences

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Speaker 3: when society says, we want to hear about your experience,

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Speaker 2: How did crop formations enter your picture?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a really interesting part of this story because

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Speaker 3: that's my first contact with crop circles. Happened through a

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Speaker 3: we were given as our second to two in nineteen

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Speaker 3: I was just sort of recently out of grad school,

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Speaker 3: so you know that people don't talk about such things

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Speaker 3: what you're viewing. So I saw this picture of this

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Speaker 3: not which is you know, batteries not working, cameras not working,

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Speaker 3: you know, strange electromagnetic effects. And that's what really kind

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Speaker 2: When they did the analysis of some of the crops

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Speaker 2: that were bent down, they showed some very strange things,

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Speaker 2: didn't they.

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Speaker 3: They did. But the really weird thing about it, George,

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Speaker 3: You know, we started finding farmers that would make us

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Speaker 3: let us make experimental circles on their property. We found

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Speaker 3: And there's many witnesses to such type of experience where

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Speaker 3: So what that led me to think is there's something

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Speaker 2: What do you think the crop circles are for? What's

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Speaker 2: their purpose? Are they giving us messages? What are they

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Speaker 3: I don't know if their messages directly, but they seem

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Speaker 3: thought that a lot of the circles, even in the

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Speaker 2: With all this going on, to me, and have you

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Speaker 2: given the thoughts about the Big Bang and how it

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a good question George, because I've

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Speaker 3: right now, what that's taught me is you need to

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Speaker 3: repeated it. The Big Bang. I mean, so far, what

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Speaker 3: I can see, George, it seems to add up in

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Speaker 2: You have a story about a top level engineer who

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Speaker 2: What was that story all about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, George, stories like that of actual witnesses to

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Speaker 3: non human intelligence. Right, you're familiar with this, people who've

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Speaker 3: People have actually handled stuff, stuff that could have come

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Speaker 3: describe how some organization had come to him. This is

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Speaker 3: And when people like that, George, come in front of

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Speaker 3: Now, My colleagues now are mostly people outside of theology,

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Speaker 3: But overall, controversy is part of science, part of science, George,

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Speaker 3: And you're well aware, no one who's really ever invented

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Speaker 2: So it's okay, where do people pick up the book

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Speaker 2: black Swan Ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm glad you act because the videos of

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Speaker 3: on my website Blackswan Ghosts dot com. I just put

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Speaker 3: obviously get the book there too. It's available on Amazon,

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