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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney. Alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day we bring

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com slash podcast. You know, one of

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Speaker 1: the areas of investments in these markets that continues to

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Speaker 1: attract tremendous amounts of capital is private equity. And in

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Speaker 1: a world where you've got a ten year yielding one

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Speaker 1: point five percent um, people are looking for returns, looking

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Speaker 1: for yield, and the asset class of private equities one

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Speaker 1: of those areas that continues to generate superior returns. Glenn Mincy.

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Speaker 1: He's a national sector leader for private equity at KPMG.

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Speaker 1: He joins us here. Glenn, thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us here. I'd love to get your maybe thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: foot view of the private equity space, and I'd love

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Speaker 1: to get it into context of pre pandemic and maybe

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Speaker 1: kind of where we are now. Give us your thoughts. Thanks, Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in the area of impact investing specifically

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Speaker 1: in E s G. I'd say that before the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: private equity had been active and responsible investing. But looking back,

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Speaker 1: I think there was maybe the naive sentiment that COVID

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Speaker 1: was going to stall or halt progress in the space.

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Speaker 1: But the social impact of the pandemic really accelerated the

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Speaker 1: industry's awareness of environmental and social issues, and it really

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Speaker 1: pushed that intersection of E s G related issues with

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Glenn, this is Kayleie. Nice to speak with you.

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Speaker 1: So if we're they're pushing more towards E s G,

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Speaker 1: where specifically, where are investments being made, Well, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about the new economy, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: all looking at angels on the head of a pen

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Speaker 1: to determine what that new account m is going to

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Speaker 1: look like. And we often we often say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: COVID um that after COVID tech was a horizontal across

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Speaker 1: all asset classes. And there's no question that impact investing

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Speaker 1: in the s G are going to be integrated across

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Speaker 1: the other asset classes as a horizontal future and the

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Speaker 1: you know, the area is that, UM, if you think

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Speaker 1: are they're actively looking at E s G and and

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, a question for your energy funds,

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Speaker 1: for example, do you shift your focus from traditional oil

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Speaker 1: called transition companies companies that support transition to cleaner, more

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Speaker 1: guys have looked at totally for example, UM and other

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Speaker 1: it's doing well, and it's it's a good ample of

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Speaker 1: uh work, consumers willing to pay more for your product

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Speaker 1: for the beneficial impact that it has on society. Glenn,

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Speaker 1: give us a sense of kind of private equity, what

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Speaker 1: percentage of their invested funds are are targeting E s

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Speaker 1: not even sure a how you define it be how

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Speaker 1: you measure it. UM, give us a sense of how

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Speaker 1: private equity is approaching that. Well, yeah, yeah, your point

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Speaker 1: the perception, mostly in the US. I guess is that

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Speaker 1: measurement reporting. But that information is really so vital to

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Speaker 1: let's face it, right, doing the right things, it's it's imprecise.

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Speaker 1: You need verifiable metrics and data and the uniform standard,

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Speaker 1: and there's been right now, there isn't a uniform standard.

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Speaker 1: There's no one standard to rule them all. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to change that, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: as a percentage, each of the you know, the largest UM,

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Speaker 1: the you're you're touching on greenwashing, right, Paul, and here

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about the elephant round far and not.

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Speaker 1: It's probably accurate to say that p suffered in the

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Speaker 1: I think I'd say the P he really sees value

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Speaker 1: But they're in the business of making money. And what's

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Speaker 1: all right, Glenn, I just have to leave it there

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Speaker 1: appreciated Glenn Mincy, National Sector leader for Private Equity at KPMG. Well,

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Speaker 1: the metrics for vaccinations are have been very, very impressive

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Speaker 1: I think beginning in August, and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Lauren Sour she's Associate Professor of Emergency

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Speaker 1: Medicine the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. And I should

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Speaker 1: know that the Bloomberg School of Public Health is supported

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Speaker 1: by Michael Bloomberg, founder Bloomberg LP, Bloomberg Philanthropies and this

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Speaker 1: really appreciate Christoper's comments there about you know, how to

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